https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/autumn25/https://toby.fangamer.com/newsletters/autumn25/Toby Fox and co. stream Undertale for its 10th anniversary next weekend.Chapter 6 mentioned for first time.Toby estimates chapter 5 releases second half of 2026.
>>720688949>second half of next year>1 hour of content
so can i schizo out over the new optional castle town scene spoiler yet
>>720688949
>>720688949Just do it on the weekday, fuck the wagies
dissapointing
>homestuck>only ch5 teaser is a tree>no demo songs or cut songs from undertale or deltarune>late 2026 for one chapterthe only good things here were the off mention and toby finally talking about chapter 6i hope the live stream is good
>>720690656>only ch5 teaser is a treepart of the ch1 decoration add-on
>>720690656The Deltarune anniversary stream ages ago had a modified version with hints for Ch3/4 in it, so there's probably gonna be something fucked up about the Undertale stream.
>toby got fucking covidhe is actually going to die before the game is done
>>720690848How do you get COVID in 2025 bro
>programmer is working on ch6 bullet patternsis this the first time toby has ever directly mentioned ch6?
>>720690848Holy shit imagine if he actually died, the suicide statistics would go through the roof
>>720691007yes
>>720690848>Gerson stopped writing his book after chapter 5>Toby dies after completing chapter 5What the fuck is this
>>720688949how is this retard still prototyping parts of ch 5.
>>720691198COSMIC FORESHADOWING
>>720688949>Maybe the last 40%-or-so of the game is in a "rough first pass" state, and the last 10% is in a "prototyping" state.I may be misunderstanding, but I think he's saying that all of the game exists in some form for the first time (even if very early) which is exciting. Seems like Chapter 7 really will be the last chapter? He mentioned a programmer getting started on bullet patterns for Chapter 6 despite Chapter 5 not being complete, so doing very early prototyping for Chapter 7 doesn't seem out of the question.
>>720690848>Acting like COVID is a death sentence in 2020+5Come on now
>>720690848>takes on a lead voice acting role in the Homestuck cartoon>still insists on doing the "mysterious reclusive dev that only uses text-to-speech" shtick for the anniversary livestreamwat
Toby Fox is working with Invader Zim??
>>720691521you cant read
>>720691521He's a performer, he doesn't want to spend 4 hours being recorded casually speaking
>>720690848>>720691097temmie is likely the only person that toby has said how DR will end in full but it remains to be seen how it would go
>>720691564>I definitely couldn't do four hours of voice-to-text right now...why would he need voice-to-text if he wasn't doing his usual text-to-speech gimmick? he speaks into a mic to get the text, and then that text is read by a TTS bot. if he couldn't use his voice and had to type it all, the flow of conversation would be a lot more awkward
>>720688949>I don't think that the game will be released in the first half of 2026.With how it sounds, hopefully it means theyre working on a little bit of everything at once. Can only hope that to minimize the delays in each chapters.
>>720691493RFK made it so nobody but boomers can get the new vaccines for the latest strain
>>720692208we waited 4 years to be able to play a new chapter, one year sounds fine
>>720688949>not once mentioning hussie by name or their actual history together beyond "haha yeah i worked on some music"kekaroo
>>720692681By the looks of it we're gonna have to wait infinte years soon.
Do you think Toby is quietly seething about the assassination shit totally overshadowing the ten year anniversary of Undertale?
>>720688949Mike is cute
>>720692874Non-brainrotten people already moved on.
>>720692874you sound deranged
>>720689456gimme the spoileris it exclusive for weird route
>>720692919Nobody has that luxury when the critical mass of Americans are brain-rotten. The vice president is going to host the dead guy's show tomorrow.
>>720690848>testing yourself for covid in 2025holy kek what an absolute sissy
>stream will start at 1:00 local timet-thanks tobyatleast I will have second shifts so I might watch it this time
this is a fucking cursed nightmare image
>>720688949>Chapter 5 already had substantial work done on it before the newest chapters came out>"I don't think that the game will be released in the first half of 2026."2030 HERE WE COME
>>720693626why did spamton do that to jevil bros
>undertale playthroughwill he do a pacifist and a genocide run?
>>720688949>Let me tell you about Homestuck.toby you mother fucker. listen to me. you fuckinFUCK YOU
>>720688949the chapter format for Deltarune has been dogshit, sorry man. I would have preferred it if he just went silent like Team Cherry and released the whole fucking thing at once.
I respect Undertale/Deltarune goyim less than literal dogs, but how can you actual retards keep falling for this?
>>720693883Falling for what? Your post makes no fucking sense.
> Back in 2010, I was a high school student with no aspirations for music composing at all So am I confused or is this a complete lie? Considering he was already doing music on his own before that, was enrolled in all sorts of music programs, and the whole gag in his own writeup for the Earthbound Halloween Hack is "I made this to prove you can make original songs in a rom hack."
>>720693919The delays. He's a fucking hack with no talent, and FF6-9 were made in the time that this jewish goblin did diddly squat.
>>720694005What delay? Chapter 5 is still in 2026.
>>720693725Safe to assume he'll be doing a full true pacifist run. A genocide run wouldn't fit the good vibes of an anniversary celebration.
>>720694170Toby Fox is a God-fearing Christian. An Episcopalian to be exact.
>>720694213Toby Fox is a fucking kike lmao.
>>720693972He means as a career, autism-kun. Rom hacks are a hobby. It also tracks with Michael Guy Bowman complaining that Toby had a "we shouldn't treat it like a job" attitude when Michael was agitating for better paid contracts from Hussie.
>>720693725yeah man he's gonna spend the whole stream walking back and forth getting encounters for genocide
>>720694250why are you like this
>>720692874>attention whore normalfag got killed by what is presumably an attention whore normalfagwhy should i care?
>>720694297Because jews murdered JFK, bombed the USS Liberty, bombed the Twin Towers, and used vaccines to poison my people. You don't seem ready for this.
>>720694170I'd rather play Deltarune a hundred times than play FF6-9 once. Action turn based is abysmal dogshit.
>>720694339I'd rather poison the jews than read another one of your jew posts.
>>720693972There's a big difference between>I want to compose music as a hobby for my own amusementand>I want to compose music for a livingHe's saying Homestuck made him want to take composing music seriously and turn it into a career
>>720694334Don't you have a protest to attend?
>>720694421>>720694261Ah, makes more sense. I forgot you have to sort of interpret this stuff through the eye of "what if it was a Japanese guy using Google Translate."
>>720694432You didn't say I was wrong.
>>720694339ATB is probably the worst thing in any video game ever
>>720694170so you're not competent enough to understand how 1 person with a few minor helpers creates games slower than multiple massive AAA dev teams working concurrently?
>>720694590You don't exactly have a large workload when you're working with GameMaker and your sprites have less color depth than the NES.
>>720694676if it's that easy then make your own game and become a multi-millionaire like he did.
>>720694334ok but he's not jewish. you're going after the wrong guy here
>>720694676You don't really have a reference point for the quality of work and revision that goes into Deltarune because you've never tried to create something or do any kind of project with that level of thought, reflection, and precision. No offense
>>720694676He's being a bad faith newfag nigger anyway considering Toby hired a fucking director years ago to organize this shit. "Small team" for years and years with little effort to show for it is not an excuse except to other ardent defenders.
>>720694005What delay? Answer the question.>>720694170Lol. Square Enix hasn't made a real JRPG Final Fantasy in almost 20 years and right now they're not making any more at all.
>>720694729So you admit all the things in my post?
>>720694676yeah haha and being an olympic race runner is so easy you just move your legs lmao
>>720694780>years agoPretty sure that was last year
Jew boys losing their absolute fucking mind, lmao.
>>720694880>say 2+2=5>everyone points out it's actually 4>Jew boys losing their absolute fucking mind, lmao.
>>720694994Ok jew boy.
>>720694676The game could definitely be developed faster but Toby is not one to rush things, and JRPGs in their heyday were pushed out with strict deadlines. As long as the game gets made and it's good, I don't care too much.Anyway I like the newsletter. Hopefully I can tune into the streams on the weekend.
Why is development for this game so fucking slow? Fucking Terraria 1.0 was made by 1 guy in 5 months
>>720694880I was on your side because DR fans are obnoxious niggers considering they're mostly teens and early-20s from Tumblr.>just make your own game and get rich xDCan only imagine how often that kid was dropped on his head.
>>720694994>call someone a kike>"WHERE'S YOUR FLASH IN THE PAN LIGHTNING IN A BOTTLE GARBAGE PIXEL GAME?"buried with the hundreds of other ones released each week
>>720694590Deltarune still feels way too amateurish for a $25 charge to be reasonable. I could tolerate this excuse when the chapters were still free but not anymore
>>720688949>anniversary stream scheduled right on my birthdayThanks for the gift, Toby.
>>720695114nice strawman you made up out of nowhere
>>720695148then don't pay for it. literal millions of people already have, and their money is just as good as yours.
>spend your Sunday evening sperging out about Jews>voted for a Jew-loving pedophile?
>>720695069No passion. Everyone involved treats it like a job they don't want to do
>>720693972https://www.docdroid.net/YuRPQab/music-team-interviews-full-transcripts-pdfi'm far from an expert on homosuck, but there's this old 2017 pdf containing a bunch of interviews with hs music team members, where toby claims he hadn't composed anything with a daw until late 2009 (the ebmused tool he used for his earthbound romhacks doesn't count, i guess)the first interview with alex rosetti also has an interesting anecdote where he claims the team started "ostracizing" toby in late 2011/early 2012 due to hussie favoring him over everyone else, but obviously toby isn't going to mention any of this in a sanitized fangamer newsletter and rosetti just worked on deltarune ch4, so i doubt there's any bad blood between them
>>720695418>due to hussie favoring him over everyone elsei wonder if toby was living in his basement by this point
>>720695069same reason nu-terraria's development is so fucking slow
lol who the fuck cares about this overpriced shit now that silksong is out
>>720695418I know it's not good to speculate about shit like this, but the way Hussie used to treat Toby was fucking weird. Like genuinely weird and more than a little worrisome.
>>720695401This. This game should've been done years ago.
>>720695762qrd?
>>720695731>25 bucks>vs>20 bucks
>>720693598alphys i'll
>>720694590>how 1 person with a few minor helpers"a few minor helpers"? these "few minor helpers" are the ones doing literally all of the programming and most of the art.
>UT playthroughHard mode will finally be real, trust.
>>720695937the grunt work isn't what sells a game. toby fox does nearly 100% of the work that determines if the game is good or not.
>>720695762He realized a golden goose fell into his lap and he did what he could to keep it to himselfOf course, being Hussie, he couldn't keep up on his end and Toby outgrew him
>>720695856For turd worlders 5 American dollars is massive
>>720696176>https://steamdb.info/app/1671210/>regional pricing
>>720695762toby fox introduced hussie to his (ex-)wife
>>720696176They shouldn't be spending any money on video games, they should be building a well for their village or whatever. I never fucking want to hear about how 1 US dollar is worth 800,000 melanin bucks. It's not my problem that your people is inferior
>>720694803>smartest jewish sycophant
thats it? lol
>>720695762it's not speculation when everyone calls it like it is, hussie kept toby in his basement, and now fellow composers are coming out about hussie's shady legal practices with their residuals and remarking about toby never standing up for them since he was hussie's little basement pet
>>720694590>>720696095You're grossly misrepresenting things. A major reason the game is taking so long is because Toby crippled himself (maybe there's some genetic/disease factor we don't know about, but Toby seems to attribute it to overwork and not taking care of himself) so now we have one man's super game dream project being dictated to a devoted but small and relatively disorganized team. Toby has delegated enough that he isn't a direct bottleneck on their work flow but we all know not a single pixel or letter of English or Japanese is going into his game without his input and approval.Toby is the heart and soul and vision behind Deltarune but his hands are not the hands that are building it.
>>720694721Ok, let me just access my jewish nepotism networks. Oh wait
>>720695069Its like 3 people making it in their weekends
>>720696095sure, but that "grunt work" is also what should take the most development time.
>>720696609>>720695762it has to be all on toby's side now, right? what dirt would hussie even have on toby instead of vice versa?
>>720696680so this is why kris will be losing their hand
>>720697056it's not dirt, toby literally wrote about it in the newsletter. homestuck is the reason for all of his success. homestuck fanart led him to hire temmie, homestuck fans financed his kickstarter. hussie is like his god.
>>720688949YOUR TAKING TOO LONG
>11 years of development>for a 2D pixel art GameMaker game made by Toby Fox + Temmie + at least 10 people in the "main team" + a few additional helpers + a bunch of QA testers>game is barely ~70% finishedHow many other (good) story-focused indie games took more than 10 years of development?
>>720697153Kris is Toby's self-insert and this is why so many references to hands and piano playing are in the game.
>>720697408Don't forget how Kris's fursona is a dog
>>720697164well what about BEFORE he got famous
I have drama fatigue.
>>720697783I play Deltarune to have fun in a world without Jews, though scheming reindeer are a problem.
>>720697862>capital JOk Moishe.
>>720697898>capital Mokay shlomo.
>>720697990Touche.
>>720697565doesn't matter, a fanboy interacting with his idol to that level cements eternal servitude
>>720697373kek
>>720697376Deltarune's development in its current form didn't really start until ~20202016-2018 was Toby and Temmie working on it basically alone as Toby slowly realized "oh god oh fuck I am so out of my depth here"After Chapter 1 was released as Toby's call for help realizing he needed an actual dev team they started putting the team together, then experimented with switching engines because GameMaker sucks but decided against it because they'd have to scrap and remake everything (and Toby and his friends don't know how to work with anything else), and then COVID hit and fucked things up for everyone. Chapter 2's real dev time was more like 18 months than the full three years between 2018-2021.Toby can take a lot of blame for poor project management and generally failing to grasp the scope of his project and the time and effort needed to make it but it's not as terrible as it seems just looking at the timeline. Maybe there was a world where Toby realized what he was getting into in 2016 and put his head down and focused on Deltarune and nothing else to maybe get the full game done by this year, but it wouldn't be the game that we have now.
>>720698518>muh first name basisExtremely gay. Is this why you failed? Maybe.
>>720698579
>>720698662You. You the person who said "Toby" over and over and over. You retard who can't see his reflection in the mirror.
>>720690848Good thing covid doesn't actually exist
What's this faggot's name again?
If Toby dies before finishing the game can Steam give me a refund
>>720698716Would you rather he call him Mr. Fox?
>>720698890Plapey
>>720698890Pluey?
>>720698890
>>720695507not sure, but the whole thing made me raise my eyebrows, considering michael bowman's claims of toby siding with andrew against a protest he staged and making them sign away all of their hs music rights or something https://x.com/mguybowman/status/1954379610906611827also i find it funny that rosetti was inspired to join the music team because he "talked to Toby on the starmen.net forums when he postedsome Homestuck piano covers he had done". i'm not sure if most of the fandom will ever comprehend just how influential the 2000s earthbound fandom was on undertale and homestuck's mere existence>>720695762as empty as this sounds on 4chan, toby starting out on homestuck right after finishing high school while hussie was already 30 strikes me as weird, considering how close they ended up becoming. surely there wasn't any kind of weird creepy mentor relationship going on :^)
...what an odd thing to fixate on. This isn't Japan, it's normal to talk about people (even those you don't know) while using their first name.
thoughts on Fox-san?
>>720699961The polschizo needs his medication, not attention or validation
>>720699702if toby was a girl this would be called grooming
>>720700131it's called toddposting not howardpostingcheckmate, weeb
>>720700323what does todd howard have to do with that
>>720700425There's no point in trying to understand how the mind of a schizo works.
>>720700529There's no point in listening to trannies. They are obvious murderers, they just need to be locked up.
>>720700484you think todd howard is trans?
>>720700703if you reply you're gay
>>720700703Meds and BWC
>>720695114Where are your meds?
>>720701487In your asshole.
Im guessing toby fox shouldn't have a hard time making a port for chapter 5 since he already did for chapter 3 and 4 so it should be quite easy for him to make one for 5 right ?
>>720698890mating press
>>720698890sexo
>>720702194
>>720695069Terraria 1.0 also stole half its sprites from FF
Wow it's fucking nothing for Undertale, and of course we have to wait one full year for Chapter 5, anyone who thought it'd be releasing any time before June 2026 is a retard who still does not know how this hack performs after all these years of dripfed nothingburger news and making everyone wait too long
>>720704306the game will be complete in 2030 as predicted
>>720704441That prediction was made with full irony and maybe even a hint of cope back in 2021, but it may end up turning out to be true
>>720704685Nice meme, retardToo bad your board is dead, huh?
>>720688949He better show something worthwhile in the playthrough...
I never understood the parasocialness of undertale/deltarune threads over tobyfox thinking he's le hecking based and secretly trollin andrew because he said faggot once 20 years ago then became a typical troll's remorse woke guyYou can just say you like UT/DT despite being gay as fuck
>>720705256You can also just admit that he's a pathetic jew boy.
>>720705256Nobody really thinks Toby is secretly based. It's just stupid to care about his politics when he avoids the topic overall (screencap is the one exception) and does not let ideology color his games. If being preachy and politically obnoxious in video games is a problem, Toby Fox has been the opposite.
>>720705747Undertale was his "let jewish israelis be, goy, monsters/demons are good." You're retarded or jewish yourself.
>>720705841literally rent free
Remember.This year Deltarune development surpasses Homestuck's running time in length.
>>720706192literally jewish
>>720706392good job proving me right
>>720706428good job being a jew
>>720688949interesting detail, Toby's dog is wearing Asgore's pink hawaian shirt in the section talking about chapter 5.I know it was already teased in chap 4, but this may hint once again at Asgore probably playing a big role in next chapter.
>>720689346It's going to be a really good hour of content.
>>720706892Something that fucks with me way more is that the River Person is wearing the pink-and-yellow floral shirt in concept art for Undertale
>>720707016If this guy is just waiting for you at the lake in Chapter 5/6 I'm gonna lose my shit
>>720690848vax status?
>>720688949>Have to wait at least one year to finally have the date with doewifeI'm so looking forward for what it's going to be probably 20~ minutes of content unless the festival is at night and the chapter ends right before lmao
man I love how miserable no-recruits castle town is
>>720706392sounds like something Mossad would say
>>720689456>the new optional castle town scene spoiler yetThe what now?
>>720710523Here, straight from the newsletterhttps://email-files.fangamer.com/list_48/campaign_14/mike_en-wV0q1DttP02jNlVw.mp4
>>720688949>Toby and the Fangamer dads beat Undertale.>The guys leave while the Toby plush just sits on the couch like he did 4 years ago.>"Continue to Chapter 2" shows up.
>>720699103Why is he like this?
>>720710828I'm glad the Mikes are going to be recurring characters
>>720712961They were literally memed into existence.They are the darkner forms of the 3.75 years of collective Mikeposting across the entire fandom.
I just had a dream where Toby stealth dropped ch5. You can imagine my disappointment with what we actually got
>>720697408>>720697536>Self insert is a pathetic loser who will be cucked by a Deer.Damn....
>>720705841Humans in Undertale are a methapor for white people. Innately more cruel and malicious than the more pure and innocent monsters.
>grown-ass shadow man in full cat costume playing with a ball of yarnPluey? More like Furrey
Anyone attend the Osaka concert? Some white woman brought every plush in a suitcase to set up in front of the sign during the morning performance today.
>>720692874>Some pig got shotNobody cares.As we speak a million creatures of the same worth as Charlie kirk are being slaughtered in meat factories.
>>720695995Does Asriel taste like goat?
>>720712469nah see you're not thinking big enough>they go through pacifist, yadah yadah>"bonus event" is them going through hardmode>they get up after the the dog scene at the end of the ruins>toby's TTS "but thats not what you want is it?">stream cuts with the hardmode sound effect and OUT NOW on the screen.
>>720714460Are you being edgy as a reaction, or did you dislike Charlie Kirk before knowledge about him was spread around due to his assassination?
>Listening to Toby's part of the OFF soundtrackI must say, he was really holding back. Most of the tracks toby made for the remake are average at best.
>Chapter 6 mentionHoly shit
Maybe it's just me being a no-dev consoomer, but doesn't it feel like chapter-to-chapter development is TAKING TOO LONG? I expected a Summer 2026 release at the latest, but based on the progress report it looks like it's going to be another September/October launch.
>>720688949>Toby estimates chapter 5 releases second half of 2026.So it's not actually coming out next year
>>720714708I think all white nationalists are animals by default and I view their death no more noticeable than I would a wolf getting shot. Frankly, If people didn't prevent this was some kind of tragedy rather than some worthless animalistic parasite getting exactly what he deserved I wouldn't even make fun of him.
>>720715260It is but Toby has no incentive to not take his time after Undertale's success.
>>720688949I think the whole "writing like a Japanese person" thing Toby does is so strong in this newsletter, I have never seen a native english speaker actually write the way Toby does here, it's genuinely baffling.Also I bet he's gonna make us wait until fucking christmas next year to release the new chapter, I just fucking know it.
>>720717362he said there's no external factors surrounding the release and it'll be out when it's done, I think we're fine in that regard
>>720717607I simply do not trust him to no make us wait until December either for the funny or because his team did not manage to complete the chapter in a more timely manner.
>>720698890>eyelashesUUUAAAAAAHHHSEEEEEEEEXUAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRGGGHHHHSSSEEEEEEEEEEEXX!!
kek, the ena-hating samefag is in the other thread, god help us all
>>720688949I posted this on the other thread, but this newsletter was kind of disappointing. The stream is only next week, and Chapter 5 is confirmed in the latter half of next year. At least I hope the stream is fun. Also Chara will totally win the name contest because Charafags are too autistic.
>>720692874I doubt it. The japs made a ton of art about it and that's all he cares about.
>>720698716To be fair there's no name for Toby Fox and his dev team yet
>>720701892I believe another external company does the porting and testing
>>720698890Cat Mike.
>>720715260Yes. Expect full game when you are a grandpa.
>>720690848Covid being a stronger cold means that toby might have New fever dreams to draw from
>>720718812Wait, that means I have sex! And my offspring has sex! Hell yeah!
>>720718890Glad I gave you HOPE.
>>720695149happy early birthday anon
It is so fucking ridiculous how a pixel game is taking so much development time, more than 7 YEARS!!!! like you'd expect it to have at least 100+ hours of content, right? But no, it looks like the full game with chapter 1-7 will approximately take around 30 hours, with all the optional bosses.He has a big team now and yet the full game is probably set to release in 2028.
>>7207210652029, dude. And maybe even 2030.
>>720721252> Delatrune will celebrate it's 10 anniversary before it even fully releases Grim
>>720721586Forgotten Man says it will take 11 years lol.
>Dess leitmotif in the new castle townWhat does it means
>>720721065You would think that with homemaker's game_change thing ironed out it would speed up the development but I guess not. If I remember correctly, it took the team roughly a year to get ch2 into a playable beta state. Now 4 years later and dev time is still slow AF
>>720721815Noelle will join you in Castle town
>>720721815Original heroes were Vessel, Dess and Asriel, Dess was the queen of the original castle town. Modern heroes are Kris, Noelle/Susie (it's complicated) and Ralsei.Delatrune will end with two worlds no longer connected, with Susie staying in the dark world as the "queen", thus why her room foreshadows it with there being a crown on above her door.
>>720721815I wouldn't worry about it
>>720721815It's just the sneaking song.
>>720695069Two guys, it was Red and Blue
>>720698716gomenasai, toby-san
>>720721815That track alone has some history.>Was originally meant for Chapter 3's stealth sections before Toby changed them to running sections and it no longer fit.>As such, he released it by itself 2 years ago for Undertale's 8th anniversary since it was unused.>Since the fandom was starved for content to speculate on, they immediately associated it with Tenna/Mike and assumed it would be one of either's motif>Ultimately resulted in Toby reiterating on it for the tracks Volume Adjustment and Catswing in Chapter 4.>Now, the OG track is finally going to be used in Chapter 5 as the theme for spying on the Mikes.As for Noelle's/Dess's theme, he already said 6 years ago that it can show up in scenes irrelevant to them (I.e.: Susie's flashback, and this theme).
>>720695069>>720722442They were also developing their own engine so they didn't get their own dick caught in the door, and as much as I like Terraria, there's way less shit to actually program for what is essentially a platformer vs an rpg that has a few general behaviors that can be extrapolated versus a ton of unique single use behavior.Basically the only way Toby could cut shit down is going full rpg maker with the cutscenes but that'd lose a ton of the game's flavor.
Hussie won bigly
>>720723720That Toby copypasta aged badly.
>Threads dead after the newsletter. What killed the hype?
>>720688949I DIDN'T GET THE FUCKING NEWSLETTER TOBY
>>720724790And today's the 10th anniversary no lessHey, what happened to that website with the flowers anyway
>>720724790the fact that there were essentially no news at all maybe
>>720724898We will probably see it in the stream. At least jap artists gave me tons and tons of art.
>>720691591the ai deepfakes will be funny
>>720718606toby fox hates his Japanese fans though
>if the final chapter is released in 2028, that would make ~13 years of development>almost 2 years on average to make a ~6 hours long chapter>for a pixel art game made by a team of 12 peoplereally makes you think
>>720726091How so? Even this newsletter had a bonus for them.
>>720694780*producerproducers organize people and meetings and shit. Toby's the director
>>720726419Why do you think that Toby Fox never interacts with his Japanese fans on social media, retard?
>>720692874>Massive political assassination is more important to most people than a furry tumblr game turning 10 years oldInsanity
>>720705747>Nobody really thinks Toby is secretly basedThere’s people who convinced themselves that toby secretly hates the faggots in the western fanbase just because of him living it up in japan
>>720727023Toby rarely interacts with anyone except a select few other celebritiesof which a lot of them are Japanese vtubers he keeps making songs for
>>720693626>Deltarune will get to it's 10th anniversary before it even releases
>>720727192He was a animal and died like a animal.If Toby killed off Sans Undertale in Deltarune more people would feel sad than some fat pig getting his neck gutted.
>>720690656>>only ch5 teaser is a treeA CHRISTMAS tree. December 25. Trust the plan.
>>720727023He does, though. Like, every single celebrity he retweets are Japanese or Eastern. He just said in Famitsu he loves his fans there. He also said he loves his Korean fans recently, too. Meanwhile the only time he interacted on westerners was last year on troonsky.
>>720727752This but unironically
>>720728181i am a nigger but idk why you have to point it out
Play Ruzahttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2177620/Ruza/
>>720727192i don't care because i'm not americanto me it has the same weight in my headspace as a random south american mayor being assassinated by narcs or whatever, which is none at all
>>720698890plueyi will always and forever be smug that i correctly predicted that pluey was the switch 2 gimmick boss
>>720722795>As for Noelle's/Dess's theme, he already said 6 years ago that it can show up in scenes irrelevant to them (I.e.: Susie's flashback, and this theme).yeah people forget that toby isn't quite as autistic about leitmotifs as the fanbase is, see for instance sans' theme being used for napstablook's snail farm
>>720729661There's also the most recent example being every theme about Mike, although it's probably just him poking fun at them throwing leitmotifs everywhere in fansongs.>sneaking.mp3 being associated with Mike, eventually just turning it into the Mikes' official leitmotif.>Catswing including Tenna's and Spamton's leitmotifs.>Air Waves using the Freedom Leitmotif® and instruments from NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO BE A.
>>720730079I am pretty sure Airwaves is literally labeled Spamton dance in the files or something.
>>720727778>He does, thoughWhere can I find his Japanese social media account?
>>720730837His twitter. That's where he retweets his Japanese e-celebs. Bluesky is his western social media.
>>720731035>That's where he retweets his Japanese e-celebswhich he basically never does
>>720731807That's just not true.
>>720688949Nows your chance
>>720722185>lake mungo DessChrist...
>>720723720Won what?
>>720732000Don't bother, there's another wave of anti-japanese shilling going on right now. Probably caught a stray.
>>720692635Not like the vax did anything anyway
>>720732372Chuddies will regret calling Covid a hoax when it kills the writer of their favorite gay furry game...
>>720732337This place is way too schizophrenic.
>>720732000toby has retweeted a grand total of zero (0) japanese fans this year
>>720732561Last non work thing he retweeted was this:https://x.com/amanekanatach/status/1872598309669388790Which is Japanese.
>>720688949>Toby Fox and co.who's co.
>>720689346Game already has no content tho? It's just muh shipping VN with le quirky show host #5149194
>>720734853John Fangamer
>>720733478no, that's work related because it's a song he worked onand it's not UT/DR anyway
>>720736652If we are counting fanworks, than he only ever retweeted Japanese fan works.
>>720737105[citation needed]
>>720688949Toby going to get so much YOUR TAKING TOO LONG spammed his way. Deserved desu
>>720738063Find me one time he did so on his twitter. I am waiting.
Maybe, just MAYBE, if Toby had 10 more code monkeys, 5 more (unpaid) art assistants (interns), one more Bullet Pattern™ Specialist with 10 years of experience in the field, and a delegate cock sleeve to cover for Temmie when she's not available, all in his team, then MAYBE Deltarune will be finished by 2029. Maybe if he had a second producer who will produce even more products with much more haste, then MAYBE we MAY see the finished game by 2030. Why is everyone so inpatient? Just let Toby cook, trust the dog, bro. Don't you know that Toby's wrists are completely pulverized? Don't you know that he needs his hands to code the game all by himself? You should consider yourself lucky to get Deltarune by maybe 2031 while you get drip-fed news about the game hidden away in a newsletter that is mostly about side projects done by Toby (he deserves to spend his time on what he wants!). Oh wait scratch that, actually the release date is still VERY far far away!!! The hand-crafted genuine bespoke Niponese translation (done by yours truly トビー・フォックス) will still take a while (but I promise I have done everything I could!!!) ... I think Deltarune MIGHT be finished by 2032 *laughs*
>>72069287490% of burgers have already forgotten about it, including chuds. America is a meme state
>>720692874The guy that died was barely talked about before his death in the grand scheme of things.The real thing that might be taking attention away from the newsletter is Silksong
>>720730079Air waves has the freedom motif because battat is the secret boss of castle town
>>720741589Yeah, threads have been slow since then. Also this newsletter was very empty. The big news will be next Saturday.
>>720692874This post REALLY outed seething troons, probably some of the ones that got fired.
>>720743525Why are you so obsessed with transsexuals?
>>720743525>"AHHH PEOPLE DISAGREE WITH ME TRANNIES TRANNIES HELP SAVE ME FROM FROM THE TRANNIES"
>>720743785>>720743967And these are the ones that didn't even have jobs in the first place!
>>720724790>Very little news>What threads do get made get ruined by 1-2 schizos spamming half the threadFuckin wonder why.
>>720744150>Complaining about spamIn the peak of release the threads were spammed with rape and it was glorious.
>>720710828>"You think just because something LOOKS cool... THAT makes it correct!?">continues sipping battery acid as if to say "well you're right, actually"Kris Slash Theory's still on the table, lads.
>>720744467You're missing the schizo part, schizo #2
>>720716025>said the fan of the wholesome kindness and empathy gameThe ironing
>>720744795Literally all of 4chan is schizo. It's basically impossible to find a non-insane thread on 4chan nowadays. Especially on /v/.
>>720744736I don't really get why this is one of the more controversial theories, I don't think it makes much difference whether Kris stabbed them in the back or stood there and let it happen while the Knight did it
>>720745103People still don't like Kris being any form of evil.
>>720745103Because they refuse to think that Kris might be so far into this sunken cost fallacy that he'd be completely willing to throw his friends under the bus for the sake of making sure his more important friend doesn't get her shit rocked too early.It's not even about him being evil, it's about him being absolutely desperate to keep this vestige of Dess alive in the slim hope that it can bring her back in full some day, which is why when you no-hit Knight, he signals to Knight to stop playing games and start up the cutscene already so (You) can't do shit.
how come nobody has documented the existance of long kris yet?
>>720746083I only know of long nose Kris.
>>720734896This exactly. Deltarune ended at the end of chapter 2. Anything beyond that is for retarded underage shipfags and is why I'm considering filtering rune threads from here on out. Toby lost his touch
>>720745103If Ralsei's "how could you?" was directed at Kris attacking Susie, why is his immediate next line when you talk to him "I was naive to think we could win against the Knight already. Kris go help Susie." Instead of something that follows up on Kris's betrayal?I just don't think it makes logical sense to be the case.
>>720746849He's coping. He knew the prophecy would involve Kris's betrayal, but he didn't think it would show THIS early because beating The Knight for its Shadow Crystal is an optional thing. The only reason he lets it go so quickly is because he knows there's no point in fighting fate if Kris is THIS set in stone about his loyalties.
>>720746849He's talking to us, not Kris.
>>720690848He's not fat and he's not 80 years old. He's statistically more likely to die from his wrist injury than the flu.
>>720702194SEXOSEXO NOW.NOW.I NEED HIM.
>>720748013does the fursuit stay on, or are you a mobster connoisseur?
>>720747983So whats this thing about his wrist? Is he actually the stereotypical limp-wrist type?
>>720746254samefagging is for faggots
>>720748667>NOOOOO YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO COCKSUCK AND EAT UP SOMETHING THAT IS SHIT INFERIOR TO THE PREVIOUS CHAPTERS SAVE ME TOBY!!k.
>>720746849>* Somehow, I thought we... had won... for a moment...>* That... we would be able to end the battle... here and now...>* ... you...>* You were so brave... and yet...>* In the end... our struggle...>* It's only beginning, isn't it...?>* ... Isn't it, Kris...?Ralsei is fully aware that we're controlling Kris/the SOUL, of Kris being a double agent, and what The Prophecy says with absolute certainty will happen.Ralsei knows that we are the one who dodged The Knight's attacks and that our power is the reason they were able to survive for so long.That Kris would turn on them isn't something new to Ralsei and it's not something he'd talk about while we're listening, he's just shocked witnessing it happening and having the hope he allowed himself to feel shattered.("How could you?" doesn't make sense addressed to The Knight either, they're supposed to attack us, there's no betrayal there)
>>720748423i like gato sexo so the cat suit and bikini stays on
>>720748897So are you a seething krisknight faggot?
>>720749314And keep in mind, the prophecy is truly and utterly immutable. NOTHING you do can avert it, the only being who's shown the capacity to defy the prophecy is the one being who exists above it, The Annoying Dog, AKA God himself, when he forces the Queen's unstoppable chariot to be stopped due to le quirky traffic jam.
>>720747052>>720747493>>720749314How would this serve the story beyond reddit-tier subversion? Why is it not brought up again? Why does Kris not move like this at any point prior to Chapter 3 or afterwards again in Chapter 4.
>>720749737>Why is it not brought up again?Why doesn't Spamton's schizophrenia getting to Kris on a deep, personal level get brought up again despite the fact Susie bears witness to just how much that mentally fucked with him, especially with all the chances they had to talk away from Ralsei and his insistence to "shut up, don't think about it, he was just rambling nonsense, hahaha :)"?
>>720749737It's cool, Battat. It's cool.
>>720749314>("How could you?" doesn't make sense addressed to The Knight either, they're supposed to attack us, there's no betrayal there)Ralsei's cut off "How could you..." could easily be him trying to say something like "How could you still be so fast and strong?" It doesn't have to be him taking offense
>>720750470Then he's an idiot who isn't actually as perceptive as he seems to be, he should've noticed that The Knight was feigning weakness to get the jump on the gang.
>>720688949what's the point of the mailing list if nothing is ever sent outI'm happy I learn of stuff thanks to you guys, but still
>>720749737>How would this serve the story beyond reddit-tier subversion? What subversion? We already know Kris is a "Traitor" who's working with the enemy. We know he literally set up the entirety of chapter 3 so Undyne would be kidnapped. How is, "Kris saw they were being defeated and backstabbed Susie and Ralsei so the prophecy would continue on track" different?
>>720688949>Chapter 6 casually mentionedThat one retard on YouTube with his "I SOLVED EVERYTHING; THERE WILL ONLY BE 5 CHAPTERS!" bs on suicide watch
>>720752060That was always a retarded theory.
>>720689346Chapter 4 was like 9 hours long
>>720752060Everyone that can read knew it would go to Chapter 6, and then end with Toby falling into The Core
>>720692874He already let us know how he would have acted in that same situation
>>720690848Nah I'm now convinced this fucking nigger is delaying the game on purpose.He could have released this shit years ago but it would have meant that the spotlight would move away from him.He just crave for attention. Fucking Covid? It's just a fucking flu, it's not like he was diagnosed with a stage 4 cancer.I fucking hate this lazy nigger.
>>720730171air waves is very very likely just a first draft of big shot
>>720752620...huh. so that's what he was referencing
theory on roulxs. he has a gaster face because there's a secret code written on the card. people have pointed out his name is an anagram for "a dark soul RX", that's probably what's written on there. this is why when he freezes in chapter 2 his head doesn't turn into stone. it's also a homestuck reference
>>720688949>second half of 2026
>>720753087
>>720753087You're close but no cigar. He's meant to be a blatant author self insert of Gaster. A joke character who's comically strong but no-one realizes it. He will probably undergo some schizo shit as the game progresses and he realizes his true nature
>>720752928Covid is like so many other common diseases. Odds are that you will be fine, but there's always a chance you will be unlucky and get really fucking sick.
>>720753251>He's meant to be a blatant author self insert of Gasterpersonally i think it's bothif i had to guess gaster is toby fox, kris, roulxs kard and the knight all at the same time via retarded time paradox bullshit
>>720753087>it's also a homestuck referencePlease elaborate for those of us that don't know shit about HS.
>>720753251God, I really wish we got a Roulxs schizo battle. Maybe with Papyrus, too?
I've been holding out on deltarune because i wanted to wait until the game is somewhat complete. Is now the moment to jump in? Since chapter 5 released i've seen a lot of people jump in.
>>720753510We're at the halfway point as of current, but you'll still be waiting another half a decade before the full game is with us.
>>720753510I feel you, been in the same boat for a good while. Ultimately it's up to you but it is quite structured like a chapter game so might as well jump in now.
>>720753392this black dude spades slick used a secret code written on the blackjack rules card to open a secret bunker laboratory that's pretty much it. spades becomes a character called jack noir who has a shit load of parallels to the knight and roulxs kard's initals are literally RK
>>720753510The game is only halfway there, and the next Chapter is only coming out a year from now. It's very likely there's still another half a decade left until the full release.
>>720753510Chapter 5 hasn't been released yet. But leaving that aside, I'd say this is indeed a pretty good time to jump in (assuming you don't mind waiting a couple more years for the next chapters)
>>720753510Playing it chapter by chapter and experiencing the wave of art and discussion that comes with each chapter is the correct way to play the gameYou're missing out on a lot by waiting and intending to bum rush through the whole thing all at once
>>720716025Why are brown people like this? And then you wonder why you've been treated like cattle for most of history
>>720753510Waiting until the end is stupid, you'll miss out on a bunch of stuff if you do. Like, the "Mike" joke just straight up does not make sense if you weren't there for the hiatus between Chapter 2 and 3
question about the wagonwhy was kris ripping his soul out before the player had any control over him?my guess is that in one of the later chapters there will be a flashback scene where the soul does something fucked up in the past, traumatizing him until we start controlling him fully at the start of chapter 1.
>>720754324>>720754142Yeah that's very convincing. Reminds me of missing out on the Twin Peaks: The Return speculations because i waited until it was complete, something i strongly regret now. I'll play it before the next chapter releases for sure.
>>720754342Because before Gaster gave you an interface with Deltarune, Kris's soul was being hijacked by another entity with far more malicious intentions, which explains why he has these violent urges he needs to let out from time to time so they don't bottle up and burst loose at the worst possible time.Kris doesn't realize (You) aren't the prior entity, so naturally he thinks you're fucking with him with the whole "wholesome cinnamon roll UWU" act which is why he's antagonizing you and loathing each choice you make, no matter how much it aligns with his interests or wants.
>>720754342The SOUL is their own character. Or Kris has DID.
>>720754749>Kris was hijacked by char-an evil entity and that's why he acts bad!Retarded, cringe, reddit-level opinion>Kris is a genuinely flawed person with violent urges (but nonetheless still a good kid) who feels he has a life debt to Dess and is so down that mindset he will do anything it takes for the mere chance of bringing her backCreative, based, actually good writing
>>720754972Why can't both be true? It's implied that Kris fucked around and found out too hard with the occult, based on personal recountings from his friends AND the lingering trauma he has, you don't bring that up and do literally nothing with it.
>>720753510The fandom revives each time a chapter releases, so if you enjoy the dumb funny discussion and theories around it, it's a good time to jump in because it looks like chapter 5 something big will happen in both routes and most likely it's going to have a real cliffhanger, the ending of 4 is kinda a meme
>>720754523Don't get me wrong, the ideal situation would definitely be playing it as it comes out AND only having to wait half a year or so between chapters, but even with the big waits I think it's a better experience. So many little things about the games hit the way they do because of the downtime and chapter structure.Like, it probably sounds gay or something but the feeling it gave me when chapter 2 came out and you first get to the dark world and the first save point says something like "you are filled with the power of a new adventure" or whatever, man that really felt like so much something. Games generally don't do that for me but with the game being this ongoing live thing, it feels like seeing your friends again when another one comes out and that first reunion was really special.I'm sure there will be a lot more and more significant experiences like that going forward through the last few chapters though, you definitely aren't "too late" or anything
Based Flowey just randomly killing Cerobs for no reason.https://youtu.be/nxkLzwATEAc
>>720754839If the SOUL is its own character, then why did Gaster even bother connecting us to Deltarune? Can't the SOUL just do everything on its own, since it's apparently been doing that since before the game even started?
>>720755426I don't know, lol. Gaster is one of the most mysterious part of the game. Honestly I like the Kris has DID theory more.
>>720732337The internet has been really nasty for the past monthI don't get it what is the point?To lower the traffic on the major sites?
>>720755128Because it cheapens it? It feels like one of those>IT WAS...LE CHARA! Theories. Kris being a genuinely fucked up kid who is responsible for doing all the "bad" things he's done feels like it's a lot more impactful to the writing than "he was possessed"
>>720755240Sometimes I just think I'm getting old but gor some reason Chapter 3 just didn't get me the same way 2 did. The entire chapter just felt like "Let's get this stupid part I came up with that wasted several years of dev time over with"
Thread archived before I could post>>720751517>normal route>everyone has fun at the festival>Rudy is there too>suddenly, he collapses>they rush him to the hospital>he knew he didn't have much time left and wanted to make it special for his family>dies>Noelle, distraught, goes home>learned from Susie about dark worlds>makes dark world in the Holiday House out of desperation>weird route>Noelle is especially clingy to Kris, and he gets visibly uncomfortable at times>when Rudy dies, Noelle is hurt, but is strong enough to maintain composure>Asgore is terribly distressed>seeing Sans with Toriel finally breaks something inside him>he runs off to his shop and makes a dark world
>>7207556293 is definitely the weak point, its ending and then pretty much everything in 4 redeemed it for me though
>>720755558Right, so what's your explanation for Kris caging and beating up his soul even before the player entered the equation, if he wasn't hijacked until the start of chapter 1?The cage wouldn't be worn down if he had full agency of his soul prior, but no, it seems like he's been using it a lot AND there's a bloodstain from how often he's been tearing out his soul for... some reason. Despite the fact that he isn't being hijacked yet.
>>720754342The only thing I can come up with is that Kris wasn't using it on himself, but on the weird dark soul Dess or the Knight has.
>>720755704>Right, so what's your explanation for Kris caging and beating up his soul even before the player entered the equation, if he wasn't hijacked until the start of chapter 1?Could be that he...just didn't, and there's some explanation to it. Could be that it's some "self harm" metaphor where he just beat the shit out of his own soul because he hated himself but Toby doesn't want to add cutting since it would raise the age rating. Posession would simply just cheapen it. The Weird Route makes it clear that Kris is a fucked up kid.
>>720756049>muh ratingsYet we still see Kris visibly self-harm himself by beating the shit out of the soul and then checking his HP on the Weird Route, and he also hurts himself even more on that route with descriptions of biting into an apple's core as hard as he can if you refuse Gerson's tea, and biting his own hand if you try to make him say he'll never play piano again.
>>720756290>Yet we still see Kris visibly self-harm himself by beating the shit out of the soul and then checking his HP on the Weird RouteThat's not really the same as explicitly stating Kris cuts himself with a knife. That would probably "cross a line".
>>720756290Thinking about it, I wonder if his self harming coping method will esclate as the weird route gets more and more fucked. Would amputating your hand count?
>>720756381>le cutting your arm is... too much!!! ignore the fact characters visibly bleed in this game!>stomping the shit out of the literal culmination of your being...? lol, that's A-OK!Absolute nonsense.
>>720755680Deboonked by the number 5 being smaller than 2 on the Spamton Sweepstakes arg. Weird Route isn't changing that much.
>>720756467>Absolute nonsenseOkay but is it incorrect? Would it not 'cross a line' and possibly grow ratings? I mean, you gotta remember, this is a Nintendo game. It's not just an obscure indie that can do whateveri t wants.
the entirety of Undertale's plot is based on a child suiciding
>>720756290>>720756381Rating boards (and Nintendo) are quite specific on what is verboten. A little bit of blood like with Susie's gashed hand is ok for a T-rating, profuse bleeding or stabbing a character wouldn't be. Same thing goes with the weird route having rape in every sense except literal. If the game actually implied Kris boned Noelle (even with a fade-to-black) it would be bumped up to M.This is why everything has to be wrapped in allegory and metaphor.
>>720756654Asriel only implies Chara did so at the very end of the game tbf. And the buttercup plan also only comes at the very end.
>>720754972>my headcanon must be true because i think it's much better writingautist ego is an amazing thing
>>720756290Not him but the average age rater doesn't know that. Too esoteric, too far into the game to really notice or care. People in fascist countries give more of a shit reading the material to censor it than the average dude there.
>>720756589>>720756662So the ratings boards are fine with having a character abuse themselves by punching, kicking, whacking the shit out of their own soul, which is even more of a brutal depiction of self-harm conceptually because you're injuring your very essence, something that transcends your mortality and comes with the uncomfortable implication that Kris can continue hurting himself even beyond his physical form, and likely would, given the trajectory of this route?Again, absolute fucking nonsense.
>>720749737>reddit-tier subversionSubverting what?>Why is it not brought up again?Why would it be? We already know Ralsei is hiding information from us and is clearly dedicated to maintaining kayfabe.>Why does Kris not move like this at any point prior to Chapter 3 or afterwards again in Chapter 4.What? There's at least one notable instance of Kris acting on their own every chapter, usually several. At what point would they need to do something like this again?Us not being able to see exactly what Kris is doing is also the norm, just like we can't hear what they're saying. Kris appears to be standing in their stoic default position while we're told that they're laughing or smiling or screaming. It's a rule that we're not allowed to see them as their own person/character while we're "controlling" them, with rare exceptions.
>>720756826Yes. Why do you think metaphors have always been used in kid shows? Rating boards only care about what is EXPLICITLY shown.
>>720756654pretty sure the whole plot of this game is also about that. kris acting like a zombie, carrying around a knife, almost jumping out the window, being best friends with an electrical outlet etc. almost jumping out the window because your single mom is being a whore is some shit only real gamers can relate to
>>720756826Unironically yes.
>>720745007Yeah? It's a game, not a religion or treaty on how to live your life. I would love to live in a world like Undertale where you can reason and talk things out with everybody, but we don't. >>720754240I'm unironically more white than you by most measures. My family are literally former french nobility.
>>720756932Damn, so where's the twenty or so kid's shows where the main characters rip out their souls and start beating them up because they hate themselves?
>>720754342The SOUL (you) that's currently inside Kris is really a last-minute backup because the last SOUL was too unpredictable, it might be because DEVICE_FRIEND was piloting it.The conspiracy gang absolutely need Kris to have a soul because otherwise he can't enter dark worlds,so they steal one from under Gaster's nose in a desperate bid.
>>720757052Anon, I think you may be autistic if you're missing the point this hard
>>720757162If it's OK for media to show someone pummeling their soul as an expression of self-harm, why aren't more stories doing it? It seems like a very good way to tackle self-harm as a topic, which is especially important for parents to understand their kids better with how depression-prone those little twats are nowadays, so it should really be in a lot more kid's shows.
>>720756654Yeah? Do you expect rating boards to care?Game ratings have always been fucked. See Devil Survivior being rated T.
>>720756826Yes. Like I pointed out, they look for specific things like a checklist and so Toby is working around them. Rating boards are stupid but that's the world we live in.>>720757051>I would love to live in a world like Undertale where you can reason and talk things out with everybody, but we don't.Ironically the guy who was killed centered his life around doing just that.>>720757139This is headcanon but a fun one.
>>720756796So if it's so far in that ratings boards stop caring entirely, why dance around it? Why not just have Kris rip some scars into his arm, knowing it's in the clear because "no one from the boards is going to play that far"?
>>720757264>If it's OK for media to show someone pummeling their soul as an expression of self-harm, why aren't more stories doing it? Probably because most kid shows don't show souls or tackle such subjects?
>>720754972The only thing that would be somewhat acceptable is if his serial killer tendecies is the result of being soulless nowadays.Though I prefer him just being a sadist with a morale compass.
>>720757139nice this explanation makes a lot of sense especially when you compare FRIEND with flowey, chara, and the cowboy references.
>>720757439Right, so they're pussies, even though they have full clearance to tackle such an important subject based on how the ratings boards view the concept of "self-harm via injuring one's own soul, spirit or some other non-physical aspect of yourself."
>>720754749>Kris has these violent urges he needs to let out from time to timePure headcanon. There is zero evidence that Kris has ever lashed out violently or willfully harmed anyone. We've been over this since Chapter 1, scaring your friends with pranks doesn't make you a violent sociopath.>but le mysterious evil figure in le creepypasta game who is probably Literally Satan said a part of Kris liked the things I made Kris do against their will and resistanceGet a grip>Kris antagonizing you and loathing each choice you make, no matter how much it aligns with his interests or wantsYou mean making them rape their friend and getting upset about it when you keep fucking with them afterward
i dont get the appeal of deltaruneeverything comes out slow and it's full of "member these old games??"undertale in contrast was a full experience, that did everything deltarune does but better... with the same characters no less
>>720757351>Ironically the guy who was killed centered his life around doing just that.His life was focused around driving teenagers to kill themselves for money and fullfilling a doomsday prophechy so an evil god can destroy humanity.
>>720757567Uh, sure anon. But that doesn't really change the fact that showing Kris scarring himself or explictly stating he did would raise the rating.
>>720757523>FRIEND is CharaDoes that mean cat-girl Chara is real?
>>720757351>Ironically the guy who was killed centered his life around doing just that.dude was miserable and wanted to die, i feel most people can't even imagine the daily pain you have to be in to become like kirk.
>>720757613>There is zero evidence that Kris has ever lashed out violently or willfully harmed anyone.Someone didn't get the Shadow Mantle or wasn't reading.>"There! That's what I wanted to see!">"Flickering red, like pretty little flames...">"Your eyes can't hide it, Kris. Without play...The knife grows dull."
>>720757620Sunken cost fallacy and theorybait. That, and the furry girls.
>>720757613>There is zero evidence that Kris has ever lashed out violently or willfully harmed anyone. Mantle literally says "You secretly enjoyed the Weird Route".
>>720757759And mind you, the context was Kris playing "the real game" that Tenna modified, which is a game where he gets a sword and starts killing all the monsters to progress.
>>720757620>and it's full of "member these old games??"So you saw maybe 30 minutes of chapter 3 and assumed that's what the whole game is, got it
>>720756826Not sure if you're aware of this but SOULs aren't real and you can't do that in real life
>>720757805so does fucking liquid snake and that guy was a dumb ass
>>720757834The game Ramb knew he would have fun with.
>>720757691yes. chara is a gay cowboy catboy. screencap this.
>>720757759>>720757805>Kris is evil because Deltarune Satan said there's a part of them that's evil (the kid whose SOUL is currently possessed by a demon who would make them kill and rape their friends for fun)Wow!
>>720757903It's hinted that Liquid was actually correct about that. Part of the reason why Snake is affected by what Liquid says is because on some level he's right. The issue is that Snake is still a fundamentally good person and he knows that it's wrong to enjoy murder. He's just fucked up by all of the people he murdered in metal gear 1 and 2.
>>720748650he has chronic pain in his wrists
>>720757834>if you play violent video games (The Legend of Zelda NES) you want to murder people in real life
>>720757664Not going to argue about this with you. I didn't particularly like him in life but after learning more about him I have more respect.>>720757713Probably wasn't easy for him, but he had a loving family which is more of a win than most of his critics will ever claim>>720757759I'm really curious as to whether Kris hurt anything in the light world and, if so, what. His stats give him a LV of 1 but we don't know if that works like Undertale.
>>720757620I dunno about you but i'm super invested in the weird route, it's not just ''oh no he's gone mad and is going to kill us all''
>>720758097nah it's actually hinted that liquid was a projecting retard lmaoo. snake just wants to smoke beers and drink cigarettes with his 50 huskies. the events of metal gear 1 traumatize him so bad he dedicates his life to killing metal gears because he felt like the whole thing was his fault, and then when he fails to stop metal gears from spreading all he wants is to kill himself.
Nothing seems to contradict Kris being a little fucked up before game start AND disliking being posessed by the SOUL, especially if you do the weird route
>>720758068>Kris is evilNo, he just has sadistic tendecies and is a dumb teenager that is presumably being used by a actual adult. People can't understand that there is a place in the middle between "Kris is secretly just genocide chara" and "Kris is a perfect saint who did nothing wrong."
I don't know guys I just think the mysterious figure who tutorializes you on the Mass Murder And Rape Route and summons the Evil Cat From Hell might not be entirely honest or have Kris's best interest at heart
>>720757837>dude what if earthbound was edgy
>>720757997Dyke Chara... just because Asriel dumped her...
>>720758448here's your pity reply
>>720758068He only looks away because now you're forcing him to kill direct representations of his best friends that look exactly like them, but his will isn't powerful enough to stop you.He doesn't look away when you have him tear into the monsters that use generic sprites despite the parallels to Asgore (his own fucking DAD), Undyne, Alphys, Catti, Catty and the other Hometown residents. He doesn't care too much to see the parallels because he's having fun, so he has no problem slicing and dicing them to make his character stronger.Odds are if the black monster wasn't censored, and it was indeed a black deer like what it's "supposed" to be according to the code, before you ever got a chance to kill it, he'd straight up overpower your control to break the controller and prevent you from continuing the game because the last thing he wants to do is kill the person he cherishes the absolute most, even a sprite representing her.
>>720758198The more I learned about him the more I realzied no person died, just a animal. People that go around "Debating" college students, when tehy are have shown themselves to be not only fundementally unwilling to actually open themselves up or even show the basic humanity needed to be able to hold a debate are obvious grifters who get off on making teenagers kill themselves.
>>720757393You're not smart so let me paint you a pretty picture.You're an underpaid for what you are dude who doesn't care about videogames. You work for shit like Pegi, who never gave a damn and winged it and went for a 3 hour lunch. You get sent videogames and usually vibe checklist that shit and really, you're not being paid enough. Often you aren't even half playing the games, you're quarter playing at best. Devs tell you what's up for the most part and describe shit.You see this pixel game and you don't care same as you don't care about anything else. You play and you see the heart removed and you never had your heart go above resting. You do basically up to the start of chapter 3 and you don't see any gambling so you go whatever. You go up to chapter 4 and you don't know shit. You don't know what a Snowgrave is and that shit takes a guide so you're not doing anything.Later, you heard some retards talk about rape while you browsed twitter. You see a pixel flower. You cannot be fucking assed to do anything because you already did your job and you beg the world you won't have to do anything. The hype dies down, the guy changed it anyways like day 1. Work adverted, you have other games to barely play. Aparently he changed it back a week later but nobody cares, much less you.Life is mid. You give cartoon violence a 6+ age rating, then are forced to play 3+ as a job. You fucking hate videogames.
>>720758448That's not Deltarune???
>>720758326Anon, the entire plot of metal Gear solid is snake consistently promising to retire in peace and then very deliberatly not doing it. This is pointed out as early as Metal Gear 2. Liquid basically calls him out on all of his bullshit reasons for consistnetly throwing himself into danger while pretending to feel sad about himself.
>>720758532You uh...speaking from personal experience anon?
>>720758357>>720758390Kris is a "weird kid"Kris is not "sadistic" or a "sociopath." They love their family and friends. Their LV is 1.Acting like they used to torture animals in the woods when they were a kid is completely off base, there is nothing to support this.
>>720758735Again, anon, there's a difference between being a teenager with suppressed violent tendencies and being a psychopath sadist who microwaves hamsters.
>>720691493you are a stupid nigger if you think covid affects everyone the exact same way. it literally did absolutely nothing to me but decimated one of my friends who's the exact same age as me. neither of us are vaxxed.toby fox is a frail basedman whose hands barely work anymore and when he coughs little flies come out. covid could probably do him in.
>>720758735You don't know that LV in Deltarune's context still means Level of Violence like it does in Undertale.There's more under the hood than what our interface is letting us see, like how Kris ALWAYS has a knife on his person that our inventory can't access.
>>720758448So.... Mother 1?
>add MONTHS of dev time for a faithful Japanese localization>no localization in any other languageEither he's a filthy weeb or Shitendo has him by the balls.
>>720758735>kris could have stopped this>didn'tKris is evil
>>720758879He's a GIGANTIC weeb, this is common knowledge
>>720758735Doesn't really contradict what I'm saying though, they're a little fucked up and might have violent urges they dont act upon, which would still be something that ERAM taunts them for
>>720758879>Either he's a filthy weebAnon, he has literally changed his writing style to look closer to how an mangaka translated into english look. He does the whole "Hide your identity" thing mangakas do.He is so far down the weeb drain he's basically LARPing as a jap.
>>720758879>Either he's a filthy weebToby LOVES nippon, dude.
>>720758879>Either he's a filthy weebAnon, I don't know how to tell you this...
>>720758879It's the former. Undertale blew the fuck up with japs even before he made an official localization, and he recognized he had another fanbase worth pursuing that he basically bunkered down and rewrote the game with Japanese in mind to give an official localization that's unironically even more in-depth and informative than the original ENG script.
>>720758735They love their family and that is why they are just a weird kid DESPITE their sadistic tendecies. Not everybody with sadistic tendecies goes around murdering small animals.
>>720758705big boss says that snake enjoys killing but he's a retard and projecting. liquid says the same thing but he's also retarded and also projecting. in mgs1 snake gets kidnapped and blackmailed by the cia and even then only agrees to go to shadow moses to save meryll. in mgs2 the only reason he's still fighting is to stop the spread of metal gears because he feels like he was used a symbol to propagate their use. in mgs4 the he's still fighting to stop metal gears but he's realized it's futile and basically just wants to die. it's never implied that snake actually enjoys being a soldier AT ALL outside of retards projecting onto him.
>>720758879Why the FUCK can't he just release the game in English and then give it to the japs later?
>>720758951Kris simply doesn't care about anyone except Susie and Dess. He'll beat you up over raping Noelle, but he doesn't actually care enough to manifest the determination needed to defy your will and change fate, so he just lives with it like a little bitch.Meanwhile, when Susie prompts Kris to explain what happened after the Summer of '25 Doe Rape, Kris nullifies your ability to respond entirely because he doesn't want her knowing any of that shit.
>>720758721Thankfully no, but this is what they are like. People overestimate the level of care existent and also encouraged in a lot of jobs. Getting it done poorly, late and with 0 passion is the kind of thing happening world wide for stuff that is important or critical or analytical. A lot of reasons why things are as they are is equally fighting the low effort evaluation and care with obfuscation, obscurity and high effort requirements. Be it house evaluation, credits, fraud or esoteric videogame factors to dodge 18 age ratings.
>>720759212He does care about Noelle. He just cares about MUH DESS more.
>>720759087We know from the prequel games that Big Boss doesn't enjoy killing. Besides, never at any point does Snake seriously deny anything. Even against Big Boss he simply states that he still loves life even if he is haunted by nightmares from all of the people he killed at Outer Heaven.
>>720759212If he cares about Susie so much, then why is it implied that she'll be the girl to die at the end of the Prophecy and that Kris is hiding this from her? I've heard it theorized that originally Noelle was meant to be the girl, but to protect her Kris distanced himself and set things up so his bully would end up in that role instead.
>>720759165Because he cares about them more than (us). Don't blame him.
>>720758830>>720758963>>720759054>a teenager with suppressed violent tendenciesAnd again, anon, there's no evidence that this describes Kris.We don't know any incidents of Kris being violent in the past. They have no reputation for this, unlike Susie. They take no pleasure in harming people, they've shown the exact opposite when we make them do or say violent and cruel things.This characterization is entirely based on a taunt from an unknown clearly malicious figure, validating the existing prejudice of "Kris is le evil" fans from Chapter 1 & 2 who say stupid shit like this >>720759212>>720758848>You don't know that LV in Deltarune's context still means Level of Violence like it does in Undertale.LV in the Light World is very literally the same as in Undertale, like the rest of the Light World interface. Level in the Dark World is completely different in the code, I believe it's even called "falseLV"
>>720759408>Besides, never at any point does Snake seriously deny anythingim not gonna go dig it up but there's a codec call where naomi calls snake out for being a killer like liquid and he says he that he hates killing
>>720759413I still think the girl is meant to kill the vessel. But, either way, most likely it was a attempt to cover for Noelle. Either some random bully would die or Kris would be killed by somebody who openly bragged about wanting to murder him.
>>720759413If you didn't get it, that's the drama. Kris and the gang picked Susie because she was "disposable" and nobody would feel bad, but then she turned out to be best girl and now Kris feels like shit because he's gonna have to sacrifice her.
>>720758879he purposefully added reverse-localizationisms (to undertale at least) like completely changing temmie's "can't blame a BARK for tryin'" joke for not reasonwhat do you think
>>720759413If that theory does turn out to be true, it's obvious he didn't expect to actually come to like Susie as a friend. But in the end nothing can be done. Someone has to die, and Kris has made a promise to keep Noelle safe.
>>720759212He cares but keeping the soul a secret is more important, after all Kris takes all the blame for what you did in 2
>>720759605>And again, anon, there's no evidence that this describes Kris.The Mantle.>We don't know any incidents of Kris being violent in the past. He carries around a knife 24/7. Also sadism isn't just wanting to physically hurt somebody. He CLEARLY enjoyed tormenting Noelle and Asriel to at least some extent.>This characterization is entirely based on a taunt from an unknown clearly malicious figure,Anon, Kris was basically set up as a hypotetical school shooter since the end of episode .
>>720759709>SomebodyProbably multiple people, considering Undyne is slated to be sacrificed as well.
Kris? EvilChara? EvilFrisk? Not Evil.
>>720759780Not only does he carry a knife around 24/7, he's so secretive and protective of it to a point where he can successfully hide it from (You), the almighty godly being who controls spacetime with a game interface and chooses whether his ending will be a happy one or a miserable one.He's only lackadaisical about it around Toriel because she's given up on trying to rein Kris in and knows he'll do whatever he wants regardless of what she says or does to threaten him, but he clearly treats it as a big secret around others like Susie to the point where he blushes over letting her use it to open a Dark Fountain.
>>720759605No one is saying that Kris is evil you retarded mong
>>720759605>And again, anon, there's no evidence that this describes Kris.Between Eram and the art therapy dialogue, that's already a pretty solid foundation for interpreting Kris in that way.
>>720759678This is pretty much my take, Susie was chosen because will no one ask questions if a troubled teenager from a bad background were to just... go missing one day.The conspiracy is deliberately using the prophecy by changing the actors. Fate is probably a constant but as long as the outlines are followed the exact circumstances are allowed to be ambiguous. Tenna is supposed to be cut down, but that doesn't mean he has to die. Likewise the exact heroes can be changed, assuming they fufill the same role. I would go even more schizo and start rambling that its possible Kris was never meant to be the cage either but thats a bit off-topic. If you want a TL;DR, look at the cage prophecy graphic and realize the hands are purposely non-human and four fingered.
>>720760020I think that's a red herring. There are multiple words in between police and sacrifice, with the ellipses in between.
>>720759780>The Devil told me you have evil in your heart (which you literally do because you're possessed by a demon)oh brother>sadism is when you like playing harmless pranks on your friend and play violent video games (The Legend of Zelda and Super Mario World)oh BROTHER
>>720760253>The devilIt's just some mantle. He clearly enjoyed making Noelle and Asriel cry.
>>720760183>picFeels bad, man. She has no real friends...
>>720760030>the almighty godly being who controls spacetime with a game interface and chooses whether his ending will be a happy one or a miserable one.Our power is expressly very limited besides being able to rewind time to set points. Kris is aware of some of these limitations and uses them to his advantage, while the Weird Route is possible only from abusing the game's systems and Kris's conflicted nature to change events. We don't even know if we can get a better ending or not. A lot of the game's themes about freedom and fate apply not only to Kris but to ourselves.
>>720760476I would honestly be suprised if Ralsei doesn't switch sides when the going gets tough.
I feel like it's more dehumanizing to treat Kris as a completely innocent toddler than to acknowledge the fact there's something wrong with that kid. Having violent impulses doesn't even mean he's a bad person on its own.
>>720760572Yeah. Susie is basically his rock.
>>720759678>Kris feels like shit because he's gonna have to sacrifice her.i think this theory is right but i dont think kris was ever on board with killing susie since it's implied that he fucking hates alphys and shes the one who sent them to the closet together and is probably in on it as well.
>Kris regulary visited Noelle to play with her>Kris refuses to play piano when she is present>Kris gave Noelle gifts>Kris never complimented Noelle>Kris fucking hates if you harm her>Kris blushes at the mention of the ferris wheel incidentMan this shit is so confusing for my small brain, is Kris an asshole or notis this his way to show love
>>720757051>I'm unironically more white than you by most measures. My family are literally former french nobility.I'm sure you are, Rakesh.
>>720760729ah of course, i forgot his lovely ''pranks'' towards her
>>720760729He's trying to distance himself from Noelle. Be it because he assumes he's going to kill Noelle, Noelle is going to kill him, or he's afraid of harming her due to his sadistic tendecies. It doesn't help that Noelle is secretly kind of into being hurt.
>>720760029>Narrator>Evil*WAh, snow rude!
>>720760476Listen pal, that's not true, she met Gerson... probably one of the few people who are not actively lying to her>>720760572I think that will be the culmination of his character arc, in a effort to stay true to the one friend he has, he'll end the charade and tell her the truth. Because that's what a true friend would do.
>>720758879Holy based. Fuck CCC Jews.
>>720760693He also might honestly be more loyal to the soul than Kris depending on how you threated him.
>>720760029this nigga is a zombie who eats glue
>>720758532ratings boards don't play the games retard
>>720760883>.mAutism beam, go!>>720760965Honestly, yeah. Especially if you hugged him and picked the nice options.
>>720760883When Chara directly manifests again, as a consequence of your LOVE and pursuit of seeing genocide to the bitter end, yes, Chara is evil.Otherwise, Chara is nothing more than a hurt kid, and hurt people tend to hurt people, especially when given delusional and grand ideas like "become god to destroy the humans who wronged you and your new adoptive family."
So is the part of the prophecy we don't see probably the sacrifice thing?
>>720761071Wrooong.
>>720759596i do blame him you retarded secondary waifufag
>>720761004My type of girl.
>>720759682...that's still in the game though?
>>720761104Probably.
>>720760965imo kris actually does like ralsei a lot and i think the giveaway is how he pointed out the differences between him and asriel like an autist explaining his great his OC is
>>720761118https://www.esrb.org/ratings/ratings-process/>Physical games sold at retail are reviewed prior to release, with two key forms of content disclosure provided by the publisher:>A completed questionnaire detailing any relevant content (violence, sex, language, gambling, etc.), and other factors such as context, reward systems and player control.>A video showing typical gameplay, missions, and cutscenes, including the most “extreme” content. Unplayable content (i.e., “locked out”), if it is pertinent to a rating, must also be disclosed.>The video is reviewed by at least three trained raters, who recommend a Rating Category, Content Descriptors, and Interactive Elements. The raters’ recommendation is then evaluated and confirmed, sometimes following a parity review to maintain consistency across rating assignments with similar content. A Rating Summary is then finalized, detailing the factors that led to a game’s rating. Finally, the rating is issued to the publisher, which either accepts it as the final rating or chooses to revise the game’s content and resubmit it, at which point the rating process starts again.>Digital games are rated using a process developed by the International Age Rating Coalition (IARC).>Prior to release developers fill out a questionnaire that quickly assigns the game or app’s Rating Category, Content Descriptors, and Interactive Elements. Games and apps rated via the IARC process do not have Rating Summaries.
>>720761004So what? Frisk is still THE GOAT.
>>720761079I'll also add that, even if Asgore and toriel did a lot right, telling a suicidal kid that he's the messiah and destined to save them all was NOT a good idea.
>>720761104it's the fact that ralsei, susie, and kris all have to die and fuse together to defeat HEAVEN
>>720761130Well, you can seethe but not change is weebness.
>>720759682So... what's the Japanese version of that joke?
>>720761353*his weebness
>>720760729>Kris is self loathing and doesn't think he deserves her>Kris distanced himself because of what he'll have to do in the prophecy>Kris is a tsuntsun just like berdly saidTake your pick.
you know healthy younger men are more likely to die from blood clots due to getting vaccinated than from fucking covid
>>720760729Cactus theory says that he stopped blushing whenever she was next to him, but he still shows his love in other ways.
>>720761234No, dude, it's the opposite. Kris did not care that much for Ralsei. He only starts warming up to him if he compliments his piano skills on chapter 4.
Krisbros...
>>720761430I will take one and three, please.
>>720761469Doesn't covid itself causes blood clots? It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation.
>>720761234Kris likes ralsei, but Ralsei probably likes the soul and Susie more.
>>720761369
>>720761543If Ralsusie were to happen, Kriselle would be pretty much inevitable.
ERAM is Kris's NightmareAs in Ness's NightmareNess's Nightmare is the evil side of Ness's mind given form in Magicant (also it has horns), ERAM is referred to as Nightmare in the internal files and spends all its time trying to amplify all of the worst impulses and thoughts from the back of Kris's mindLink's Awakening is the surface level reading, this is the actual connection of it being named Nightmare
>>720761671>Implying Kris won't just end up alone.Noelle forgiving him after the whole "Lied about my dead sister" thing seems pretty unlikely.
>>720761532didn't that one tea variable change immediately after you make Kris tell Ralsei that it's okay not to smile?
>>720761279Wroooooong again.
>>720761469>source: my ass
>>720761532nah i think that ralsei blatantly represents kris' inner self which he is extremely embarrassed by but still loves and secretly wants to be. kris is embarrassed by asriel but also wants to be him because he's the perfect son that gets to fuck his tomboy crush. ralsei represents kris ideal version of himself. he loves him but he hates that he cant be him and that he has to put on this cool guy persona that everyone expects of him.
>>720761234It's a lot of little missable events,but stuff like Kris getting low healing from the Ralsei tea,and praying insincerely for Ralsei when you pick his name for the candles.>>720761532This is confirmed because Toby updates the amo- oh nevermind>>720761743Yeah it does. He loves putting this sort of shit only dataminers would get, like all the hypothetical Noelle dialog.
>>720761743No, it changed after Ralsei compliments Kris on the piano.
>>720761691>the dark world rulers only started becoming evil when the dark fountain showed up>in earthbound the evil mani-mani statue is the reason multiple villains are evil
>>720761743Yes, its clearly meant to reflect that Kris starts to like Ralsei from then on. Its not hard to get why, Ralsei's meltdown over having to keep a straight face when knowing so much is something Kris deals with too. Yes he's a edgy fucker but I doubt he likes carring this immesurable, innocence ruining burden of knowing too much about forces beyond his comprehension
>>720761805also ralsei is literally a heartless from kingdom hearts
>>720761919https://web.archive.org/web/20250915211326/https://tcrf.net/Deltarune/Chapter_4/Oddities#Tea_Bonus>This flag is set to 1 at the end of Chapter 4 when telling Ralsei "It's ok not to smile" and 2 when answering "Good. Keep smiling".
>>720758448That's a fangame.
>>720761743Yes.
>>720761805>ralsei blatantly represents kris' inner selfYeah, but what the fuck Ralsei is actually supposed to be is still a mystery.He's probably not going to be a simple object, since he seems to be created for the purpose of manipulating the legend and seemingly has no other purpose, like an object darkner would have.
>>720758879>shitendo
>>720758879Remember when Chapter 3's Japanese translation took nearly a year because Tenna's text gimmick required new sprites be made for each instance of it to fit the language
>>720761671Kris? Alone or with the sexdoll. Noelle is for (me)
>>720762239I KEEP TELLING YOU NIGGASHES A FUCKING ACORNA SEED OF KNOWLEDGEChapter 6/7 will show us some eldtrich tree if we ever get to the depths.
>>720762239Ralsei is a tulpa created by the prophecy itself to fufill the "prince of darkness" role. Lanino and Elnina have proven that darkners can be based not just on intangible things (like the virus/software darkners in ch2) but on entirely immaterial ideas
>>720762239i can't believe ive never seen this suggested but im pretty sure ralsei is the leftover fur from kris' hand me down shirt.
Ralsei is a plush toy>earthbound teddy bear parallels>official plush constantly emphasized in chapter 3>he keeps smiling through everything because plushies have a permanent smile on their faces no matter what they go through
>>720762348Not an acorn, a tree.This is how Ralsei can be everywhere, move around on his own and be compatible with every Dark World in Hometown, because his roots are everywhere, therefore when one strikes into the earth, ergo, where the roots lie underneath, a part of him is always brought into the Dark World.
>>720762536wait actually... ralsei might be toriel's fur...
>>720762567But what if... headband?
>>720761297Haha...
>>720762348IF HE'S AN ACORN WHY DOES HE LOOK LIKE A FAGGY GOAT?HE LIVES IN A CLICHED RPG TOWN WITH FAUX NES MUSICHE IS SOME SORT OF CONSTRUCT OF THE LEGEND>>720762454Almost my thoughts; but remember that the prophecy says "prince in deepest dark", "prince from the dark" is one of Ralsei's changes.>>720762567Fits well with the "construct" theory and how he's all about "please let me BEAR the burden"
>>720688949That comment about "just because it's cool doesn't mean it's correct" is going to be a fucking cancer on theorizing until Chapter 5 comes out isn't it.I can just see it being used to shut down literally anything that tries to reach further than "guys, hear me out... I think Asgore might not be over the divorce" for the next year.
>>720762348>>720762620Likewise on Ralsei's ties to plant life, picrel.
>>720762536Can't be that, since he stays behind with Susie while Kris leaves Castle Town.
>>720761721He is literally trying to save her and bring her back.
>>720762806What specific theory is he even trying to make fun of here? The 9 thing was Papyrus Knight
>>720762870That's because he is the Flowey parallel of Deltarune.
>>720762912And you think Noelle doesn't want to know about that? Is it any wonder she assumes Kris doesn't give a fuck about him?
>>720762949Probably not any particular theory but people are going to say it's referring to Dess Knight even though "it'd be cool" isn't even REMOTELY the only evidence for it.
>>720762806This light-hearted jab at fan theories is too difficult for them to grasp.
>>720688949so this scene was included as a soft-launch for Mike plushies, right? I have to imagine they're getting desperate considering Toby's autistic anti-lightner rule
>>720762949My money is on Dess Knight.
>>720762954So he really is Asriel all over again, then? Brava, Tony, you've done it again!!! Piles of Asriel's dust was right all along, and we've been running circles for the past decade when we landed correct the very first time around!!!
>>720762870>Using merch as evidenceRemember when the description for the Toriel mitts said "being used" was the best thing for her and everyone thought it would mean FIREGRAVES
>>720763125don't be silly. Dess is this game's Asriel expy
>>720763125Nah. He's a parallel in the narrative, but not LITERALLY Flowey. That's why they share so many lines.
>>720732337I loath Nintendo and the current regime of fan project deaths but it's infuriating knowing most of the people shitting on tendo are a bunch of jeets doing a fake console war circle jerk. Where where you when the console wars where subsidized by jeets to keep it from being sunset?
>>720762982*About her
>>720762982>And you think Noelle doesn't want to know about that?There's a saying: "Fools should never see half‐done work." Like what is Kris supposed to tell her? "Your beloved sister is an abomination of darkness now, but don't worry, we are working on something together, it's going to be real nice as long as we don't destroy the world first?"
>>720762982She might get mad, but i think the typical ''i didn't want you to get involved'' is a good excuse
>>720762949>people think he's making fun of anythingYou've fallen for it. The entire point of the green boy is that he's wrong as hell and he's trying to overthink it the exact same way that people did for mike and even do it for him. He's a symbol of how wrong people are and the discourse being ultimately tainted by someone who doesn't know shit thinking they do. He sips the green drink, mocking the idea he's green and would like green, then keeps sipping it proving they're right.The TV remote guy is the right guy. Shit is cool, it made some sense, so it rocked. Green boy hates it but still sips because that's reality. TV guy is how Toby writes.
>>720763381I mean, yes? Certainly compared to Kris ghosting her while also still having zero closure about Dess.
>>720763097>>720763120My personal guess is he's making fun of the whole "Titan=Gaster" thing. >my theory is you're green so you like green drinks>my theory is the titan is gaster because they look similar
>>720717362I've been saying this about his fake japanese dev LARP since years ago, probably before Deltarune ever came out, and back then people said I was being retarded. I'm at least vindicated knowing fucking everyone sees it now.
>>720688949>chara falls thousands of feet and is fine because flowers>kris, ralsei, and susie fall thousands of feet and are fine because dark world magic>jackenstein falls thousands of feet and dies because ???This series sucks.
>>720762949You FOOL! By arguing which theory this is satire of, you're missing the point that the satire is mocking YOU for speculating on the full depth of what it's even trying to poke fun at! This isn't about any specific Deltarune moment, it's about you! YOU! (YOU)!!!
>>720763821There were actually no flowers during Chara's time. Fun Gang and her are built different.
>>720763097Dess Knight:>antlers>bat>several asriel/flowey parallels that wouldn't make sense to be there unless the knight is someone with a notable connection to asriel>lost girl motif in the latter part of black knife>toby going on record saying "if you play Mother 3 you'll see how unoriginal I am", see masked man>star theming matching up with the abundance of stars in dess's room (and potentially the sisters wishing to see the stars in one of undertale's echo flowers)Dess Is Stuck In The Code:>you have to datamine to see it so that must mean the entire plotline is meta and dess is trapped in the vidya gaem>uhhhhhhhh>no it can't take place in the past when dess first disappeared because uhhh it'd be cooler if she was stuck in the video game coding because toby likes meta plot points>the scratching is me datamining and not the established cat-related schizo lore characterI sure wonder which one fits that description better.
>>720763601mike did like the green drinkgaster=titan confirmed
>>720763885Also, the possibility of saving Dess and allowing her to turn back into her normal doe self is fantasy fulfillment for everyone who wanted to save Asriel by allowing him to keep his goat form, just like how Spamton NEO is fantasy fulfillment for a real Mettaton NEO fight, and Gerson is fantasy fulfilment for a Gerson fight by sparring with this world's version of the war vet who dodged a fight with you in Undertale through exploiting shop mechanics.
>>720763546How is she supposed to get closure if the whole thing is in progress right now?
>>720756654Not only that but the majority of people who played this game treat Chara like a chicken being waved in the air by a Jew. a scapegoat for the sins crawling on their back
