ITT:"You didn't beat the game"
The game congratulated me for winning after I beat it so yes I did.
>>720710775That's nice dear but you didn't beat the game
The devs intentionally added this, I used it, we killed Elden Beast, I watched the cutscene and credits, and everybody clapped. I beat the game.
>>720710414obligatory
My achievements said I did :)
>>720710854Yeah well I used the Architect crest too so fuck you!
>>720710414i use this plus cogflies :)
>>720711040You didn't beat the game then
>>720710414Actually this really helps with beating silksong, especially with cogflies, string shards, and tacks. I highly recommend it with architect's crest to reload them.
>>720711086You’re right. I raped the game.
>>720711196You cant say that here.
>>720711235You’re right I’m sorry. Please don’t report me. Please. I’m sorry.
>poison either becomes useless or completely breaks the game difficulty in halfhow do we fix this problem?
>>720710898>>720710925technically you even beat the game twice since there were 2 versions of you present
>>720710414Is poison really that good?
>>720711409It makes fights shorter but you still gotta know them. Last Judge will take 2 minutes instead of 3 minutes.
>>720710854
>>720711641You still didn't beat the game :)
>>720711409It's not that it's that good, it's that it goes against the design of Silksong. It's the same shit as Mimic Tear: Mimic Tear is good not because it deals damage to the boss, but because it distracts it. Because the boss is distracted, you don't actually have to play the game properly. In short, FromSoft games are designed around identifying openings against an enemy and then exploiting them with the appropriate attack or counterattack. Summoning gives you free openings, it's that simple.Silksong is similarly designed around identifying, creating, and exploiting openings, but with an emphasis on close-quarters combat. Ranged attacks either require you to generate silk with melee attacks or expend finite secondary weapons. Furthermore, you're discouraged from spamming your tools because they require bone shards to replenish, and you can very quickly run out if you're spamming them.Poison is good because it gives you bang for your buck while allowing you to deal damage passively. When you combine it with tools that are already passive like cogflies and tacks, that's when you're really just circumventing the game's design instead of engaging with it. Other tools at least require some kind of spatial awareness and timing to use, but these two are broken and poison just exacerbates how broken they are.Anyways, using whatever is fine.
>>720710414This game is such a pain in the ass, thanks for telling me the best way to beat it
>>720710414idgi, it doesn't seem that strong to me?
>>720713215Devs put those things in the game for a reason A whole crest solely devoted to spamming tools
>>720714264put it on a cogfly
>>720710414Post your AQ sweaty
>>720710414>shreds every fat enemy/boss in your pathI don't think they playtested this thingIt even shreds small bosses if you hit a good corner angle
>>720714629maybe they did playtest it and decided that, along with poison and cogfly's, its fun feeling useful and having their place as strong niche tools instead of nerfing them to the point that people say "meh it's fun but not worth using when x exists"
>>720714629i use this and the bombs on bosses and they melt... i don't think they tested them
>>720710414Imo the quick launcher is even stronger, you can cheese second phases super fast with it
>anon has fun using things put in the game top have fun>people on /v/ say you didn't beat the game>anon suddenly feels insecurelaugh at anon
I did beat this game. I beat them all and beyond. I am the inheritor of the square, you have lived complete lives and now you'll spend the rest of eternity as our star fleet.I have killed your king and you will assimilate.
>>720713215>you're discouraged from spamming your tools because they require bone shards to replenishI started spamming my tools on bosses and inconvenient enemies (which is to say, very often) because I hit the cap and realized it was pointless to leave all that free damage laying on the ground. Add that to the tanky enemies with annoying avoidant patterns and constantly getting tools for rewards and I'd say the game is outright saying "You're supposed to use the shit out of these". Do you think they gave the player an arsenal of tools without expecting them to spam them?
this game is not hard and you guys are losers. I honestly think you people are just secondaries who bought into the hype and didnt play the first game.I say so many posts about people begging for easy mode and all you have to do is just pogo on 90% of the enemies and you win.gamers as a whole have fallen if you guys struggle in this basic as fuck platformer.
>>720710414i keep running into bosses and defeating them before finding the cool stuff to play with. poison and tack is all i have.
>>720710414>you didn't beat the gameThat's right. I curbstomped it. Cry more sweatlord
>>720715250>Do you think they gave the player an arsenal of tools without expecting them to spam them?Yes. If you didn't win the game with no tools, hunter crest and silkspear only, no damage, health or spool upgrade, then you didn't beat the game.
>>720714336>-200 shards per bosseven if you 1st try every boss(unlikely) you can't sustain this for the whole 25 bosses in the game, or more
>>720715250OP here. Yes, because when I say spam I mean spam. I went through the same process of realizing>Wait, I should just fucking use thesewhen I hit the bone shard cap relatively early, but depending on what tools you're using you'll very quickly run out of bone shards if you're regularly exhausting your tools. Taking multiple attempts to beat bosses (which, realistically, a lot of people are going to do) only accelerates this, so you're discouraged from relying too heavily on tools. Obviously tools are intended to be used, but not to the exclusion of whacking the boss with your needle. Poison is so good because it increases the efficiency of your tools and lets you get that much more use AND damage out of them.
>>720715395And where is your proof that you did this yourself?
>>720715439Just buy more shards, you're fucking swimming in rosaries once you bought everything from shops
>>720715478pretty sure anon was joking. if not, lol. lmao.
>>720715478why, my peenus weenus of course :)hahah! :Dit's my weeeeenus peanus! :) hahahITT: Where is the proof that I did this myself - my answer is, of course, my peenus weenus :Dhahaha!
>>720714787Its not useful. Just not tested tools against the queen ant. All 12 tacks used on her, all 7 flies used on her, all 12 or whatever saws used on her. And she by the end went into phase 2. With max tool damage and poison. The vast majority of tools seem to be fucking useless, and that makes the architect crest useless. The flies are great for dealing with flyers which are the cancer of this game, but for bosses, shit deals 0 damage compared to a nail.
>>720715678You're meant to do the baby phase yourself, then you cheese the hard part. Also queen ant is one of the last bosses in the game, ofc it's gonna have a lot of health
>>720715443>Poison is so good because it increases the efficiency of your tools and lets you get that much more use AND damage out of them.I mean yeah, how is that a bad thing? If anything it encourages you to smack the boss while the poison is ticking down to get the most out of your tools instead of panic spamming them at the last phase/annoying adds like I always do. If it's enough damage to let you poison the boss to death, then cool, poison always sucks dick in other games because they don't let you poison bosses to death.
>>720715732Yes, that is literally what I did. I did the adds myself, and then dumped every tool on her. It barely phased her.
>>720710414>Using any trinket/tool>Upgrading health/silk/damage/crest>Talking to NPCs (getting clues)>Buying maps>Unlocking unneeded powers like double jump and glide>Dying to an encounter and retrying itYou didn't beat the game, unironically.
>>720715789Baby phase includes phase 1
>>720710414>it's a person misconstrues playing a video game as some kind of elite skills purity test thread
>>720710414Does this thing actually do real damage? I'm going to be honest I barely care about my hunting tools/pins. I don't really use anything except for the simple QoL stuff and haven't really noticed any standouts. In fact I didn't quite care for most of the silk abilities either, it kind of felt like they added a whole bunch of shit but none of it was particularly impressive.
>>720716003By itself? No. With tools, it basically adds a second hit to whatever tool you're using. Dunno what the damage increase is, but the difference is 100% noticeable.
>>720716105But a majority of tools do like, 1/4th the damage of your fucking needle.
For me it's witch crest + injector band + claw mirrors
>>720710898>>720711392Truth nukes right here
>>720715264>t.plays with mods and thinks that counts as beating the game
>>720716131Are you only using the basic pins you find at the beginning of the game or some shit, anon? The voltvessels, boomerangs, sting shard, conchcutters, the wheel, and cogflies do insane damage.
>>720716105>>720716131Like look at this shit, Everything except the drill is basically worthless. This is sekiro prosthetic tools all over again.
>>720710414Daily reminder that if you did any of the following:>Dealt 2 damage on normal attacks>Dealt 2 damage on contact>Moved like a spastic retard to bait unearned contact damage>Relied on being an obese faggot or fuckhuge aoes in a cramped room>Used maggots>Used adds>Used a gauntlet or long runback before your fight to make it easier for yourselfYou DID NOT actually beat the player.That is all.
>>720715748I'm just saying it's a little imbalanced, as evinced by how many people will simply tell you to use poison cogflies or tacks to cheese bosses, that's all. I think it's fine on tools that require the player to properly hit the boss. But when you give free damage and efficiency to tools that don't require the player to do anything other than stay alive, you start straying into Elden Ring territory - where, in the worst case scenario, players are effectively crippling themselves by accumulating a knowledge and skill debt each time they cheese something. The bigger the debt they build up, the more likely they are to get frustrated when they hit a wall they can't cheese.To Silksong's credit, tacks and cogflies both come relatively late in the game and so the average player has likely learned the fundamentals, and poison isn't so broken on other tools that it incentivizes the player to adopt degenerate strategies. So it's fine.
you didn't beat the game
>>720716363You get tacks in act 1
>>720716373Look man, it's not my fault that the beast crest doesn't have any fucking blue slots. Let me pretend that it does with this shit.
>>720716373>t. lucklet
>>720716303>boomerangs, sting shard, conchcutters, cogflies>insane damageThey make the enemy flash a whole lot but they don't do dick anon. If you hit enemies with the max hits on most of those items you'll do about one whole needle hit wow
>>720716449It does?
>>720716442I'm aware, but no one is bum rushing Sinner's Road to farm roaches for tacks on their first playthrough, which is all that matters for these things. Who cares what you do on successive playthroughs? Getting things early is part of the fun of Soulslikes.
>>720716489And how many memory slots does it take to unlock the 2nd vesticrest
>>720716480Each flash is a proc of damage equivalent to an unupgraded needle hit at a bare minimum.
>>720716334What if I beat up the player irl by bludgeoning him with his own controller?
>>720716560>>720716308No it fucking is not anon.
>>720716586You have to yell>TIERS ARE FOR QUEERSbefore beating them, otherwise it doesn't count.
>>720716512Unless you follow the guide, on your first playthrough you dont know where to go, and if you explore, you will get there.
For me, it was "cut healing time in half" and "free reserve heal"
>>720716512>no one is bum rushing Sinner's RoadLots of people found it early as possible on their first run, you weren't there for all the posts about the phantom on day one?>Getting things early is part of the funSequence breaking and finding secrets on your first run is a core part of metroidvanias>Soulslikesretard
>>720716782Hollow Knight is very obviously inspired by Souls as much as it is Metroidvanias
>>720716560Keep in mind needle damage is modified by your crest, tool damage is not. So even an "unupgraded needle" hits for 7, not 5, with all crests.
>>720716816This has been discussed before. The devs were inspired by Faxanadu, not Dark Souls. One dev said he never played it, while the other said he played it for like an hour.
>>720716928Interesting, thanks. It just shares so many concepts, themes, etc. with Dark Souls that it's difficult to think otherwise.
>>720716816Yeah, that's the reason the first game had a dodge roll, stamina depletion on attacks, limited heals/consumable heals, etc. Dark Souls 1 is just a 3D metroidvania, btw.
>>720710898not just mimic but just summoning period is cheating if you are not a mage
Not my fault the game is so easy that it makes trannies seethe
apparently Delver's Drill does insane damage
>>720717143Yeah but you can't set it and forget it, and the longer animation lock can make you take unnecessary damage if you are unprepared
>>720717054How is it cheating?Half of the bosses gang up on me 2 or even 3 vs 1 and some of them even summon ashes against me.Why can they jump me but I can't jump them?
>>720715439>even if you 1st try every boss(unlikely) you can't sustain this for the whole 25 bosses in the gameGood thing you can buy shards or just kill a couple of big monsters then go bench and do it again and get back to max shards then.
>they don't know I run an even more broken architect regen build that can't use poison
>>720715439>farm rosaries>buy shard packsWow so difficult.
Gunclock + Madness Tea combo. You didn't beat the game
i just got architect, is it any good? I don't have very many tools but i want to use this gun i got and pretend i'm playing mega man zero
>>720716928They're full of shit and everyone knows it.Give it a few years and they'll come clean like Shinji Mikami with Alone in the Dark
>>720717054>you are not a mageyou didn't beat the game
>>720717490Rabbit watch item + that spell that makes you invincible is the you didn't beat the game of black souls 2
>>720710414What's the "You didn't beat the game" of the first game?
>>720715439>fight boss without tools to figure out what's going on>afterwards, spam tools once you know you've got a chance and you're not wasting shardsI had this figured out by last judge
>>720717886the moveset is greatyou can charge the pogo and dash attackthe nail art is good too
>>720718101Flukenest I guess?
>>720710414OCH LADDIE ARE WE DOIN' THIS AGAINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCH LADDIE LADDIE LADDIE LADDIEYE DONE GONE DID IT NOW LADDIE
>>720717054why mage? the summon is based on the priest status, why mage
>>720718101If you didn't beat pantheon of hallownest you didn't beat HK. The main game makes it pathetically easy to just facetank everything which is the main reason why people are complaining about silksong being "too hard" as it actively punishes you for facetanking.
>>720717830I get that you're joking but I'm just trying to imagine what kind of no fun allowed fuck would post this unironically
>>720716308I shredded the two giganiggas at the end of the high halls gauntlet using only poison cogflies and tacks, tools fucking rule
>>720718101>mark of pride + quicknail>fluke shotgun charm>reduces spell cost charm>quick focus + shape of unn
>>720716308I'm pretty angry that forge daughter's silkshot is that bad
If you even attempted a 1 shot build for Simon, u are a cuk
>>720716308If the damage values are this low then why does my single sting shard use absolutely annihilate a fresh wave of chunky enemies that would've taken like 8 nail hits each?Your numbers ain't adding up pal
>>720718780>17.5% killed himDamn that's a lot higher than I expected, usually superbosses are ignored. 99% of the people who beat him never saw that red moon, and many probably didn't even know about the P3 kek>More people killed Simon than beat all the beacheshahahahahahaha that's so fucking funny
>>720711698nice try but in the end it was (You) that didn't beat it
>>720716308>but the numbersYeah now try actually using them
>>720718561Bindless or all binds?
>>720718371>>720718731they nerfed flukenest a lotunless youre doing speedrun strats the normal spell is better overall. the range and the potential to double hit is more valuableflukenest is a strong and fun alternative regardless tho
I embraced full unga bunga and instead of doing magic build I went full melee/nail build and beat Pantheon 4 after a long time trying... unironically cleared it with 1 attempt using that build after playing Silksong.
>>720714853Bombs are objectively worse than cogflies. They have more uses and do more damage.
>>720716489What kind of retard uses injector band on beast crest? It barely makes a difference with how fast the bind is to begin with.
>>720714629it hits multiple times?
>>720719820well it's objectively better than 90% of the toolsit's just a preference
>>720719413What about 5?
>>720711409Not really. At most it'll take one or two fewer hits to kill the enemy if you use poison, which is nice if you're in a gauntlet fight against bunch of annoying enemies but pretty irrelevant against bosses with their big HP pools.
>>720720223got filtered by my first 3 attempts, but I haven't given up yet...
>>720720327Poison adds a lot of damage to tools that can apply it several times, like tacks and flies. Poison cogflies deal nearly twice as much damage as regular ones. More than double if your tools aren't fully upgraded.
>>720719820i got the bombs before cogflies and I kinda feel comfy at using them because I defeated both Conchflies and Beastfly battles by using them... I then got the drill and destroyed Dancers. Cogflies are comfy but I keep the bombs ready just in case.
>>720720132This is why you try out every tool you get for a little while.It hits a shitton of times.
isn't drill risky? I assume you just go straight into an enemy and if you're in their collision box after you just take damage
>>720710414Most of the charms in silksong are dogshit so you can't fault me for using one of the few that aren't
