There's no way people this fucking divisive about the answer, right?
>>720716980me when i cum in a cutie blondie flattie jirakei hebe girl
Anyone entering this thread, do not engage with the question. Spend your time on something more useful.
>>720716980not how it works
>>720716980When you have to change the question you are already admitting defeat
>>720716980The platform the cube is on isn't moving and the cube isn't moving so it cannot have inertia to fly out of the portal.
being stationary through a moving portal doesn't impart velocitywhat if the experiment was sideways (and the box was on a tiny platform that could fit into the portal as well)
>>720717116No. We need to go deeper.
Which way, if any, does it tip, geniuses? Assume all materials have realistic densities.
>NO you don't understand A bro. Teleporting somewhere suddenly causes you to gain momentum out of thin air because, because IT JUST DOES OKAY?
>>720717116>Bobur, kurwaa :DD
>>720717567the ping pong side would tip
>>720717669Portals don't conserve momentum. Momentum is a vector.
>>720717729>>720717669If you teleport onto a plane, do you immediately gain the velocity of the plane or do you fly backwards and slam into wall which then transfers the velocity to you? the answer is portals don't exist.
>>720716980This isn't correct. The cube would rotate slightly clockwise as it exits the portal.
>>720716980It should be the top right corner of portal frame that moves relative to the stationary box not the left corner
>>720717810What am I, a wizard?
>>720716980With that gif, I can just as easily imagine the cube sliding off the slope of the blue portal like in A. In fact, the more I look at the gif, the more logical A seems.
>>720717567ping pong side goes up obviously, how on earth would anyone get this wrong besides dumb niggers
>>720717894>I can just as easily imagineThe crux of the question right here. It's a purely hypothetical scenario that anyone can imagine working in any way because there is no hard, real-life-adherent rule governing how portals would behave in this scenario.The only real, canonical, demonstrable and consistent answer that can be performed in the game is that stationary objects can't pass through portals and instead interact with the solid surface behind the portal. But for some reason nobody cares about the factual outcome because muh imagination is more important. Go figure.
>>720717889I just took the lowest dose of ozempic possible and I can't eat more than 1 full meal a day or I feel like I overate at a buffet and need to throw up. Now we're thinking with portals.
>>720716980The problem with B fags is that they can't comprehend the fact that the portal isn't actually moving even if what it is attached to is moving. For all intents and purposes the portal is, at all time, stationary.
>>720716980obligatory
>>720718075Yes, your mouth is a portal, and so is a toilet. There are many portals in this world, both big and small.
>>720718090Map origin, you meme-spouting faggot.
I have a feeling A fags are the kind of "people" that think switching in the monty hall problem doesn't matter.
>>720718175That's not true.Switch doors increases your chances of winning and A is still correct.
>>720717116But I have time to spare.
>>720717810I don't teleport, miss me with that "deconstruct you and build a replica elsewhere" shit. If I want to go to another plane I create a fully sapient copy of myself and teleport him instead. When the copy's copy is done with whatever I wanted to do there, it will just create a wizard tower and live out it's life.
>>720717452stationary object + moving portal => moving object + stationary portal
>>720716980Rule of thumb: If it doesn't have gore in the gif/webm, then it's not made by a trueblooded B fag and is more likely by a falseflagging A fag trying to further confuse the debate
What do you think about this scenario?I think it's a good demonstration of how Portals do change the momentum of objects which pass through them (viewed from a reference frame in which the blue and orange portals have relative motion).
>>720717452>being stationary through a moving portal doesn't impart velocityVelocity is relative. Technically, going through a portal *always* changes your velocity. A basic portal fling involves you completely reversing your velocity in an instant. But, relative to the portal, it looks like a continuous path. The same thing happens in the OP.
>>720717894You can imagine what you want but your gut feeling about what "seems" logical isn't actual logic.
>>720718093The problem with you is that you can't comprehend that what you just said is complete gibberish. Just stringing words together with no regard for their meaning. Straight up going x ≠ x and declaring it logic. And the ironic cherry on top is that if the portal is stationary then by definition the cube is what's in motion, so I don't even see how this tortured logic is meant to help your case.
>>720718090>Newton says an object at rest must remain at rest>Yet no object in existence is ever actually at restAh…to have your life’s work undone by portal scholars…so sad…
>>720719494Newton knew what he was talking about. You don't. Newton would agree it's B.
>>720717116>nie spierdolił
>>720718637Momentum is a vector. Any two portals with different orientations change momentum.
>>720719530Sorry, but I contacted Newton with an Ouija board and he said A. More specifically he spelled out >A-H-U-L-A-H-O-O-P
>>720719549Literally the opposite. You are once again demonstrating that you have no idea what you're talking about but find B intuitively appealing for reasons you can't put into words.
>>720719776You should've let him talk>I-S-N-O-T-A-P-O-R-T-A-L-I-D-I-O-T
>>720719776If Newton were alive he would have one of his spies kill you for such a blasphemous assertion.
>>720719841No sorry but it was at rest after the last P. Which is to say it was traveling at 1000 mph
>>720719794>YOU ARE JUST WRONG I AM RIGHT OKAY?most intellectual b fag argument ladies and gentleman
>>720719318what the...
>>720720097this is correct
>>720719969But that's what your argument amounted to in the first place. You're the one who confused A and B with no supporting argument at all.
>>720720097literally how it actually works in portal the gameb niggers btfo
>>720720097>>720720141It's not correct. Movement is relative. Both would necessarily have the same outcome. You know the one. >>720720181It literally doesn't. In fact, everything in the games corresponds to B.
>>720720181>literally how it actually works in portal the gameThe first example in that webm doesn't work ingame because of the moving portals problemThe second example is how it works ingame
Correct answer coming through
>>720720419that's correct in regards to the Portal 1 physics engine
>>720717810Given that portals don't exist, the normal thinking would be that physics just work normally, so the portal doesn't imprint speed to an object because fuck you and it just acts as a connection between 2 spacesBtards are just fucking retarded
>>720720348Exactly the error in A on display. It's applying words to things without consideration for their meaning. Or, as it's usually put>describing motion without saying motion
>>720717810>f you teleport onto a plane, do you immediately gain the velocity of the plane or do you fly backwards and slam into wall which then transfers the velocity to you?What's the pre-established rules for how your teleportation power is depicted in your work of fiction?If someone had the power to teleport in a sci-fi story and regularly use it to travel between planets it actually would be reasonable to assume that changing momentum was part of their power.
The portals are just openings between point A and point B, they are functionally just hola hoops. If B was true, the Aperture Science facility would be torn apart from by Chell placing a portal on the moon due to the moon's speed relative to the facility on the Earth's surface.
>>720716980>Lab frame>Cube gets speed because fuck you>Portal frame>Cube is moving, so it has speed
>>720720580Physics working normally under the circumstances is what B is. You just don't really understand physics.
>>720720239>>720720304In game there is no relativity bullshit. Portals only change direction and don't arbitrarily give you speed. In layman's terms speedy thing retains speed. If you have no speed you don't gain any.
>>720720650>Btards are just fucking retarded
>>720718156Trying to apply meta logic to portal's canonical behaviour is itself a meme anon.
>>720720650So what you are saying is the portal is ripping apart reality as it moves and destroying the fabric of the universe, making the cube meaningless as its going nowhere, because nothing exists where its entering
>>720720643That's consistent with the games. Imagine the "lab frame" if you're dropping into a portal>wtf she just changed direction instantly!
>>720718234We've literally had A fags try to deny monty hall before now. That's the company you keep with you.
>>720717092>me when i cum in a cutie blondie flattie jirakei hebe girl
>>720720634B is the only thing that makes that scene possible. It proves us right.
This is a retarded argument because we do not know a single thing about the actual mechanics of the portals. If we go by what the games are capable of doing with portals (ie. not story related handwaving), neither A or B is possible because objects at rest simply do not go through portals in motion without modifying game files.
>>720720685Speed is by definition relative. If you're having trouble imagining what happens, suppose you can't even see the orange portal. All you see is the blue portal and a cube coming towards you. What's stationary in one perspective can be speedy in another.
>>720720791Irrelevant plus I literally proved you wrong regardless.
>>720720708no u>>720720752I'm not saying that and I'm also not sure how you're getting that from "physics apply as normal"Anyway "portals alter the fabric of the universe and bend spacetime around them" is usually an A argument
>>720718175That's bfags albeit
>>720717669>>720717729it actually astounds me there are people this dumb out there.These are the kinds of people who dont understand why a syphon works, or why it breaks if you lift it too high, or why a chain being dropped off a table will lift the spool up in the air, or why beads will organise themselves evenly on the inside of a wheel
>>720720872Speed is not relative in video games bro. That's not how game engines work.
>>720717669Portals don't teleport, retard.
>>720720945Nice bait.Both the Afag and the Monty Hall denier resort to >I don't care what logic says, in reality it wouldn't be that way because my common sense disagrees!
>>720717116No.>>720716980From this PoV it makes sense, but is still wrong. Sorry.
>>720720580>just acts as a connection between 2 spacesThen you get A depicted in pic related you fool. The guy goes through the portal, but because according to you that's literally all that happens, so the guy maintains his downward motion.Momentum changing on passing through a portal happens because its necessitated by the portal needing to be able to behave as a smooth passage.
>>720721017In the game the scenario is literally impossible and the question is moot. But if we consider that it is a simulation meant to depict a realistic scenario, then we arrive at B.
>>720720650Physics working normally under the circumstances is what no portals is you fucking idiot. Portals existing the way they do in the actual game you clearly didn't play would rewrite the laws of physics as we know them.
>>720720791no, denying monty hall is 100% a Bfag conceptsee here: >>720717669>>720717729Bfags are incapable of thinking beyond whats right in front of them, so they wouldnt ever understand that your chance of success suddenly changed, just how they cant understand the basic concept of conservation of momentum even with OP pointing it out to them.
>>720720802The scene works because the moon has no atmosphere, while the Earth's surface has atmosphere. Pressure will equalize between two systems.
>>720720757No? I am fairly sure in the games you dont get propulsed when you enter a portal for no reasonThat would be ass to play
>>720721064>>720719969
>>720721072No. Stop trying to argue against a position that you cannot understand.
>>720721047The #1 stunted demographic that got filtered by the monty hall problem were mathematicians who applied their lacking knowledge incorrectly while smugly spouting their retardation and appealing to authority. It's how the problem entered the popular culture in the first place. This is Bfag modus operandi.
>>720720853Thing is, you can argue if the cube would slide or not move at allThe argument for A doesn't even exist
>>720721101>Physics working normally under the circumstances is what no portals is you fucking idiot.No, that would be different circumstances.>Portals existing the way they do in the actual game you clearly didn't play would rewrite the laws of physics as we know them.Yes, of course. That's why you can make B happen with them.
>>720721072Nobody disagrees that “momentum” changes, A asserts that the portal reorients the vector of the velocity while B asserts the portal is a black box that instantly accelerates the object by applying a force because reasons
>>720721172A fags don't understand their own position.
>>720717452what if this, but orange portal is in the northern hemisphere, and blue portal is in the southern hemisphere?
>>720721172Afags have no position. Your entire argument is that portals conserve momentum when that was never true. Again see the pic for what actually happens if portals conserved momentum.
So what happens to your arm if you make a fast jab through a portal?
>>720717724>>720717914That's right because steel is heavier than ping pongs
>>720721103>Bfags are incapable of thinking beyond whats right in front of them, so they wouldnt ever understand that your chance of success suddenly changedYes, definitely, it's Bfags who can't understand something suddenly changing because of how something appears lmao>just how they cant understand the basic concept of conservation of momentum even with OP pointing it out to them.Wait are you literally confused about which one is A and which one is B?B is fling, A is plop
>>720721245They just don't hold the position that you desperately need them to take, is all.
>>720717567I'm an uneducated dumbarse but the air in ping pong ball surely would make the left side lighter, the steelball is connected to something outside of the scales and based on my thought process that I base on absolutely nothing but what I see shouldn't add any weight to the right side
>>720721098No, nothing is moot disingenuous b tard.In the game portals literally preserve speed and only change direction.THIS IS HOW THE FUCKING CODE WORKS NIGGER MONKEY
>>720721240>Yes, of course the portals don't work with any laws of physics and would rewrite all of them>which is why I'm going to use my poor understanding of said laws to insist on how they would work within themThere's a combined IQ of a 100 among every Bfag in this thread.
>>720721132And, incidentally, the Moon moves at roughly 2000 mph relative to Earth, besides. Chell emerges at the relative speed she had to the portal, she does not maintain "absolute momentum".Of course you've been told this a thousand times before so I don't know why we have to do this song and dance all the time.>>720721142You do. It just doesn't look that way to you. But you literally change direction in an instant. Going from v to -v is literally twice as big a change as going from 0 to v.
>>720719318Can't argue with that, B it is
>>720721242No, tardA asserts the cube gets speed out of literally nothing while B asserts the cube would slide because of the gravity of the new orientationA isn't even in the equations of possibilities, it would either slide or not move at all because the original platform is still thereA is not an argument
>>720718314>stationary object + moving portal => moving object + stationary portalnothing more needs to be said. The movement of the portal translates to the movement of the cube on the other side of the portal, if it didnt, its energy mustve been destroyed which is not possible.The cube moving conserves that energy, the inirtia of the cube comes from the portal, since in the interim of the cube being half-in-half-out, if the cube doesnt move then the entire mass of the cube would "spawn" in the same plane of space, it HAS to move to make room for the rest of the cube.
>>720721221Literally Afags again, lmao>It's Newton! It's physics! This dev said it's A! God I can't believe anyone would ever think it's B!
>>720719318Wtf is this real?!
>>720721365The air makes the ball lighter than the water, not lighter than nothing at allHold a pingpong ball, that much weight is added on that side of the scale
>>720721283If you are an Atard you disintegrateIf you are a Btard nothing, you just jab through a portal
>>720721314>Wait are you literally confused about which one is A and which one is B?>B is fling, A is plopyes, yes I did get them backwards. Sorry B bro.
>>720721368B is perfectly compatible with anything shown in the games.
>>720721368Mongoloid? What happens if you preserve 0m/s? Mongoloid please respond
>>720719549The image that killed B bros...
the fact that this dogshit thread still gets replies makes me wish you all would die in your sleep tonight
>>720721392You don't even understand the argument and you're basically giving up and saying it could be anything lmao
>>720721515Except the part where you don't magically gain speed when you walk through a portal
>>720721458>get caught in a lie and called out>uhm uhh ahem I uh...>NO U!!!!!Riveting.And somehow still the least disingenuous and retarded reply a Bfag ever gave in this thread.
>>720721471So your arm would go in at velocity X and then come to a sudden standstill?
>>720721405So what you are saying is you are a fucking retard that is taking the programming logic to physics and being extremely fucking mongoloidicalAlso, I am stil fairly sure that you don't get propelled forward as son as you touch a portal
>>720721423You've got them backwardsOr is that the bit
>>720721551I wish for the same every night and yet I still wake up in the morning
>>720721405>But you literally change direction in an instantYou don't really
>>720721442>if it didnt, its energy mustve been destroyed which is not possible.Bfags are so funny portals create/destroy energy constantly just by changing elevation you can’t invoke a rule that’s very obviously being broken lol
Ever notice how disingenuous B fags are?A fags are not even close to like this.
>>720719318Bbros... we got too cocky...
>>720716980>orange portal is moving on the left>but stationary on the righti'm dividedi don't know if you're baiting or just that stupid
>>720721580B is relative speed in = relative speed outThis is what happens in every single portal interaction in the game
>>720721572>the side that changed the problem to suit the narrative in a billion different ways because they don't like that the answer is A accusing anyone of not understanding the argumentlmao
If a universe moves towards you are you really moving?
>>720720876>Claiming that you understand monty hall as an Afag "proves" that all Afags before you understand itYou might be retarded.>>72072110350/50 is the Afag answer. It's literally the answer most people give when presented the problem because they put no critical thinking into what they're saying and go with the most obvious answer. So obvious to them in fact that they react aggressively to being told they were wrong. "There's two doors" has the same braindead simplicity missing the point as saying you put a hula hoop over it. 1/3 and 2/3 is the answer people switch to when it gets explained to them what's going on. Just like what happens with B as an answer.
>>720721642I am not referring to this post, since there is no A and B here, I am referring to the classic A and B where in B the cube just slides off because of the gravity of the new orientation
>>720721641>So what you are saying is you are a fucking retard that is taking the programming logic to physics and being extremely fucking mongoloidicalI can't entirely discount that because it's hard to tell what you're saying here, so it could possibly correspond to what I am, in fact, saying. But I doubt it.>Also, I am stil fairly sure that you don't get propelled forward as son as you touch a portalIndeed, no one ever claimed that you would! That would be a massive misunderstanding of B.
the "B" in "B fags" stands for "blown the fuck out"
>>720721692>portals create/destroy energy constantly just by changing elevationyou... you do realise "gravitational potential energy" isnt actually real, yes?its just something we tell kids at a basic level to help them visualise the world, its a theoretical energy, not a real energy, hence "potential"a portal puts you up in the air if you step through, but you dont suddenly magically create energy.your mass is offset by the space left behind, similar to how if a bird takes flight it didnt get lighter and its mass didnt vanish, it just disperses across the air below with each flap.
>>720721823B TODDLERS BTFO
>>720721671Yes, you do.Except as seen through the portal.Just as in B.
>>720717116I want to pet it too...
>>720721551Fuck off, tranny. We're having fun.
>>720721723If you are walking and a car drives past, your speed relative to the car can be expressed in negative values. Does that mean you're walking backwards?
>>720721242>Nobody disagrees that “momentum” changes,Yes they fucking do lmao. Even in this thread you have Afags insisting that the whole argument boils down to thinking that portals conserve momentum. Even you, right now, insisted on putting momentum in quotation marks because you can't grasp that momentum changing in direction is literally changing momentum.
>>720721741You mean we are able to show that a consistent principle holds across all sorts of different scenarios? I'll never stop loving your butthurt over that.
>>720721716>anon cannot understand reference framesif im in a car hurtling towards you at 60mph, im moving 60mph to you and you are moving 0mph.but to me, from my perspective, im staying still and you are coming to me at 60mph.
>>720721580just imagine that instead of the plunger going at the cube, the room is upside down and the ceiling and the cube fall into the plunger. It's equivalent.
>>720721758>make baseless retarded claim>get called out>start chimping outtypical B sister
>>720721806Yeah you got them backwards. That's the opposite of how everyone in this thread is using them. Maybe some things will make more sense to you now.
>>720721868No you don'tThe very purpose of a portal is turning a change of direction into a straight line. As the subject passing through it you never change direction, the fact that it APPEARS that you have to an outside observer doesn't change that
>>720721698Projection
>>720721980I wasn't the anon from before.
>>720721946oh okay, it's baiting
>>720721909"Walking backwards" is not a relative measurement so your question is disingenuous.
>>720721973No, I don't think I'll imagine that.
>>720722040oh shit, Afags really are just this retarded...
>>720722027I don't think so
>>720722056Are you walking backwards? Answer the question.
>>720722023>No you don'tYes, you do. I just explained it to you.> As the subject passing through it you never change direction, the fact that it APPEARS that you have to an outside observer doesn't change thatOkay, sure, if you want.As the cube passes through the portal it never experiences acceleration, that it APPEARS to be launched suddenly doesn't change that.
>>720716980Why these retarded posts keep being made when this scenario actually already happens in game? Just play the escape section of the first one, towards the end there is a section where you are supposed to stand on a piston and shoot a portal on it's ceiling, It's not a hypotethical, you can play the game and see what happens.
>>720722130It is. You stopped arguing for A a while ago and are just flamming. Answer is still B, and getting mad and yelling at people will not change that
>>720722146No.Tell me, do treadmills mystify you?>wtf I'm walking and yet...
>>720722040>>720721716You are in space, floating away from a space station.In front of you is an object, it serves as your reference frame, its moving along side you at the same speed.Looking back at the station, you and the object arent moving, it remains exactly in space where it was when you left. Right there in front of you. The station is moving away from you, getting further away each moment.meanwhile on the station, the opposite is happening, theyre remaining stationary but you are moving away. This is called relative perspective, and is something even toddlers understand.
>>720722172Your explanation was wrong and disregards the inclusion of a portal into the scenario
>>720722269No and no, respectively
>>720722206Whatever you say schizo. Let's get you back in your echo chamber.
>>720722257please refer to >>720720097 then kindly shut the fuck up
>Magical technology that takes a shit on physics as they are currently understood>Hey, how would this technology work if we applied physics as they are currently understood?This is speculation about a technology that is not the Portal portals, and therefore not videogames. Off to /sci/ with you.
Could Afags at least pretend that they're engaging with the argument in good faith?
>>720722373thats retarded, because you are admitting when the block "plops" out, it has some momentum... where did that come from, anon?why is the first different to the second, the reference frame is the same?if you argue>because the cube itself had momentum in #2 but not in #1 then explain why it plopped out at all instead of either fusing into one sheet or refusing to enter the portal?
>>720722387I did for years, I was met with nothing but retarded misrepresentations of my stance intended to discredit me. Now I'll just call you names instead.
>>720722483>then explain why it plopped out at all instead of either fusing into one sheet or refusing to enter the portal?because it's a portal, not a solid wall you fucking retardholy shit
>>720722483>refusing to enter the portalBecause everybody's too emotionally invested in imaginary scenarios to acknowledge the canonical outcome.
>>720722483>fusing into one sheet or refusing to enter the portalThis is the crux of the disagreement. You see the portal as having some manner of corporeal form which is why it's capable of imparting force. It's just a hole, there's nothing there.
>>720716980Look at this retard. He thinks he passed physics in primary school.>>720717567weight left>right
>>720722387Afags are too retarded to understand the argument. They really can't tell the difference between a portal and a hula hoop.
>>720722483>then explain why it plopped out at all instead of either fusing into one sheet or refusing to enter the portalRealistically it should do this but we just accept that objects at a portal magically displace themselves for the sake of portals working at all
>>720722556where did the momentum come from? You avoided answering that question of course. if it plopped at all, it gained momentum from, what Afags say, is nothing. This isnt possible, therefore it either cannot enter the portal because it blocks it, or, it has to force itself into the same static space.Afags cant argue in good faith, so they pick and choose what to respond to.Does it move or not? Bfags say aye, because conservation of momentum and reference frames, Afags say nay, for there is no momentum conserved... and yet, they depict the plop.where did that momentum come from, anon?>>720722624>It's just a hole, there's nothing there.then. why. did. the. cube. plop. out.where. did. that. momemtum. come. from.as soon as you answer, you have to then explain why the momentum is mysteriously lower than the #2 depiction despite the same energy. if its a hole, B makes scientific sense.
>>720718637The sequel for completeness.
>>720722864>where did the momentum come from?again, please refer to >>720720097 and this time pay attention
>>720722920>no answeryes, you lost. again.
>>720720181erm?
>>720722269No he's right. You're doing the Afag thing of trying to disregard the motion of objects changing "Because portals! Things aren't as they appear!" but then you saw the cube's motion change in the B outcome and proceed to fail to apply your own logic.
>>720722781>we just accept that objects at a portal magically displace themselves for the sake of portals working at allOr that your theory is wrong.
>>720722864The entirety of the room was lowered onto the cube.The cube did not move. A moving portal brought the other side with it when it enveloped the cube.
>>720722884NTA but the moon in P2 is kind of pointless for both A and B, since its a videogame that simply wanted a cool, flashy ending.the whole thing violates both A/B's established rules either way in some form.the point of the thought experiment clearly revolves around the portal as seen in game, rather than the flashy cinematic ending
>>720722493If you think all Afags do is call people names thern you haven't grasped what that anon meant by them no engaging in good faith.
>>720723013>The cube did not move.yet it clearly "plopped" out of the portal with momentum...
>>720722493>intended to discredit meAh, you're one of those people who takes disagreement to be a personal attack and therefore cannot ever learn. Typical.
>>720723068It works perfectly with B. Relative velocity in = relative velocity out.
>>720722957alright i'll bitethe platform, my dude. when it pushes the cube through the portal, it retains its momentumwhen the orange descends on the cube, it simply plops on the other end, because the portal itself doesn't apply momentum to the object going through it
>>720722687Wrong and proud. Embarrassing!
>>720723068You are mistaken. It's entirely consistent with B.
>>720723013>The entirety of the room was lowered onto the cubewhat is the functional difference between "lowering the room" onto the cube, and raising the cube to the portal?do you not understand reference frames?
>>720717567ping pong goes up because there is air inside the ping pong ball
>>720723171the cube enters the portal with the same speed in both situationsso why is the momentum on one high and the other low? Where did the momentum come from on the "plop" >when the orange descends on the cube, it simply plops on the other end, because the portal itself doesn't apply momentumwhy though? With what momentum did the cube get pushed if it was stationary, it went from 0 to some momentum, you say the portal doesnt impart momentum, so where did it get any from?
>>720717116https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-admRGFVNMThis beaver is laughing.
>>720723013>The entirety of the room was lowered onto the cube.Bfag belief:>portals affect matter which passes through them by conserving the momentum of that matter relative to the portalsAfag belief:>portals don't affect matter that passes through them because they are literally just hula hoops>instead, they make the entire universe move relative to itself>so they actually affect everything EXCEPT the matter which passes through them>now watch me drop a universe on this cube
>>720717116They look so silly
>>720723408A isn't even consistent in this interpretation, because if we conceptualise it as the universe moving, what's stopping us from saying the cube was catapulted by the moving universe? How do we decide which universe is moving and which is stationary?
>>720723295>so why is the momentum on one high and the other low? Where did the momentum come from on the "plop"againthe portal does not apply momentum to any object going through itthe "plop" is because the cube is going out on a diagonal surface. you did realize it's a side view and the cube is falling simply because of gravity, right?
>>720723012Both theories have serious issues but I find A inventing new rules for the sake of “thinking with portals” more palatable than B handwaving that the object is accelerating infinitely to match the portal’s speed as it descends
>>720723408>>instead, they make the entire universe move relative to itselfOf course they do, the "back side" of an orange and blue portal are locked relative to each other so moving one side has to bring the other with it, otherwise going through a portal would entail a tunnel of varying length depending on the two points it's linking.
>>720723565M8, consider what happens even before gravity gets involved. The cube came out of the portal. Then it stopped.
>>720723556We decide based on which portal was moving in the equation
>>720723575The object isn't accelerating. Same as jumping into a portal in the floor and flying out of a wall, you don't experience acceleration.
>>720723575You're mistaken about B. B *is* thinking with portals and does so without inventing new rules. In fact, you just invented a new rule for B in an attempt to discredit it.
>>720723659Relative to what?
>>720723659What do you mean? The whole point is one of them is moving and the other isn't. Think about what you just said.
>>720723589Okay so then >>720723556
>>720723575B is based on observation of a conservation law "relative in = relative out" which holds with all portal behaviour seen in the games and in fact has to be the case for anything to smoothly pass through a moving portal without being shredded/crushed/otherwise destroyed.
i am now convinced bfags think with tunnels, not portals
>>720723634Nta but the portal moved over the cube, think about if you set a cube on a glass table and then slid a piece of graph paper around underneath it. The coordinates the cube is at on the paper change but it’s not REALLY moving
>>720716980Theres people in this thread so stupid that cannot undestand that movement is relative
>>720723756I know that one side is moving and the other isn't, help >>720723730 and >>720723804 to grasp it
>>720723691A change in velocity requires acceleration, A is arguing space moves over the cube rather than an actual speed change. B asserts a speed change
>>720723172another retard, how is that magic momentum going anon?
>>720723013>The entirety of the room was lowered onto the cubeStanding next to the exit portal, why don't I feel the impact?
>>720724115>A change in velocity requires accelerationAnd portals do it without, as evidenced in the games. You are grasping for arguments that don't support your theory.
>>720723882That's because you're unable to conceptualise B properly
>>720723928>Nta but the portal moved over the cubeWell the cube moved out of the stationary portal. Think about if you draw a portal on a glass table and then smash a cube through it
>>720724015One of those is me. I do fully grasp the implications. You don't. If the portal moving moves the universe, then the portal being stationary holds the universe in place. Which would mean the cube is moving relative to the universe.
>>720724150Because you can't comprehend the scale of what is moving and seem to think it's about equal to a rough elevator. You standing next to the exit portal are subject to the exact same thing as the rest of the space around you, you aren't in free fall while the room drops out from under you to go meet the cube. Do you also get confused as to why you can't feel the rotation of the Earth?
>>720722324Haha. Tranny anime girl pic and proving my point. Damn. 4chan has fallen
The logic in OP is that the atoms of the cube will push themselves as they are teleported and thus adding momentum. What OP doesnt know is that all that stress will be applied at molecular level and in the end the forces balance out and the hole cube doenst gain momentum. That said, portals doesnt exist, so thinking about them this way is retarded.
>>720724362No, it's not a question of scale. The reason you don't feel the rotation of the Earth is because you are rotating with it, not because the Earth is big. Here, too, relative motion is what matters.
>>720724362The movement and rotation of the Earth is continuous and smooth.No matter how large the container I'm in is, if it's moving linearly at 10m/s and then instantaneously stops, I would feel it.
>>720724223>fall>gain velocity>enter blue>exit orange with the same velocity, different directionexacly what A scenario meansthanks
>>720724223Damn I forgot to change my first instance of “velocity” to “speed” I knew Bfag would play dumb word games
A because "the cube isn't moving" is wrong. A because "portals act on a higher dimension than one we can perceive" is correct. You have the right answer but for the wrong reasons. That's why Bfags keep arguing with you.
>>720724460>The logic in OP is that the atoms of the cube will push themselves as they are teleported and thus adding momentum.No, it's not, that's just a basic refutation of A, but it is not necessary to achieve B, and is in fact not actually how B would work. It's more of an "if A is true it would still result in sort of B if you actually think about it" argument. Which is why you don't see it that often.
>>720724460That's not the logic of B. Even a single particle (a point mass) could be flung if engulfed by a moving portal.
>>720724360The portal being stationary would mean that the cube would need to move in order to meet it in the first place. The blue portal being stationary means that everything on the orange side is stationary while the orange portal moving means that everything on the blue side is moving. Stick only your head through from the blue side and you will see that the distance to the cube is shrinking because you are moving towards it, not the other way around.
>>720724616"A because unfalsifiable technobabble assumption" is just another way of saying "I want it to be A and I'll work backwards from there"
>>720724582How do you measure speed?
>>720716980that's a neat graphic
>>720724670>The portal being stationary would mean that the cube would need to move in order to meet it in the first place.Indeed. Which it objectively is, considering the cube is stationary. >Stick only your head through from the blue side and you will see that the distance to the cube is shrinking because you are moving towards it, not the other way around.There's literally no way to confirm that without an external reference point lmao
>>720724569Only if you possess a separate inertia to the container that you're in. Not when we're talking about the entire universe and all the forces and matter within it in perfect unison.
>>720724770Distance/TimeThis is the part where you throw a fit about distance through the portal “not being a hole” or whatever
>>720716980The broken physics of portals mean that the orange portal isn't actually even moving.
>>720724670>Stick only your head through from the blue sideOkay, so here's a fun question: what would you say is happening to your head? Your body is stationary on the other side. So what about your head? Is it also stationary? Or does the portal impart motion on it? If the portal abruptly stops, would your head have momentum that could carry you forward, perhaps even causing you to lose your balance if there is enough force? The very idea that you could stick your head out of a moving portal at all would suggest B.
>>720718314not how it works
>>720724703>unfalsifiable technobabbleNow you know how the average Afag feels when confronted with B. Do a little research into how the 4th dimension looks from a 3rd dimensional perspective and you'll realize that's what A is actually proposing.
>>720724936But distance to what?
>>720716980It's B if the 2 surfaces crashing together causes the floor the cube is standing on to vibrate (though the propulsion wouldn't be nearly as extreme). If both surfaces are 100% sturdy it's A.
>>720725096>Now you know how the average Afag feels when confronted with B.Something going over your head doesn't mean it's unfalsifiable. That's the difference between us. You don't get it, therefore it might as well be nonsense to you, therefore you feel justified in responding with something equally nonsensical in your eyes. >Do a little research into how the 4th dimension looks from a 3rd dimensional perspectiveStill just arguing backwards from A instead of looking at what portals actually do.
>>720725028Illustrate how it does work
>>720720798huh
>>720725206I was accusing YOU of not getting it, genius. You're the one that called it technobabble. I've made my point. If YOU want to desperately cling to your limited understanding of the universe then feel free. I will not be making any further posts on the subject in this thread. If you get any more replies, it's someone else. Although I doubt it; no one seems to care since these threads are just farming replies to train AI LLMs, and this point goes off script.
>>720724631>>720724634Fitst the portals cant move, doing so would create a paradox like the rope or the crashing cube.You are assuming the air from the moving portal is flowing at the same speed into the static one, but this doesnt have to be the case, matter goes both ways
>ask the devs>one says B with a lengthy explanation>another says A with a short explanation that reveals he thought B meant "flies in a straight line with no effect from gravity">another says B>ask a physics professor>he says B, because portals are wormholes and that's what wormholes would do>ask a science education channel on youtube>they make a long video saying it's basically B, but it's fictional and paradoxical so you can imagine it being A if that's more fun>test in-engine>it's C, because the engine can't handle it>ask resetera>they say it's A
This btfos the B-tards
>>720725517
>>720725592It's obviously still B even in this example LMAO
>>720717116I enter these threads only when I am shitting so I’d say I’m following your instructions.
>>720725545didnt happen
>>720716980Can someone from B answer some of my questions?If we make the column the same weight as the cube, not connected to the ground and make the orange portal go through the column fast enough, then:1) Would the rest of the column be sucked out of blue even though only part of it has gone through orange since orange speed is fast enough for something of column weight to take flight?2) If it gets sucked out, then its speed would be the speed of the orange portal + the speed of the column itself. Then would it keep accelerating nonstop?
>>720725592That's still B, retard.There'd also be a force from the extended platform pulling against the bit which didn't pass through, but presumably its tensile strength is enough to survive that.
>>720717116I will spend my time to call you based
>>720725510>I was accusing YOU of not getting it, genius.Yes, I got that, but the fact still remains: you're just coming up with some tenuous explanation that could possibly result in A, and the only reason for postulating that portals work this way is that it allows you to argue for A. Do *you* even understand 4th dimensional physics? Or does it just matter that it allows you to claim whatever?
>>720717567they both have the same volume of water in the cylinder but the left side has also the additiona weight of the pingpong ball on the scale so the left side will go down
>>720725517What are you even on about
it's A, it's functionally teleportationthe cube has no velocity/momentum whatever niggerphysics
>>720725592Why on Earth would you think this matters at all lmao
>>720725965Atards aren't very intelligent.
>>7207257561) If only part of the column goes through before the portal stops, then the part which has gone through would pull on the part which hasn't and the resulting momentum could pull the whole thing through (but slower than the portal speed).2) If the whole column goes through, it would initially have the speed of the orange portal. If less than the whole column goes through it would have a reduced speed as I said above. That would be its initial velocity then it would fling and be affected by gravity and air resistance. It would not have any additional velocity, nor would it keep accelerating nonstop.Where did you get the non-stop acceleration bit from?
>>720725756The column exits precisely as fast as it's entering, no more, no less; it can logically do nothing else. This answers both your questions.
>>720725965>>720725763>>720725642seething B-tardswhy would passing through a hula hoop impart velocity?
>>720726048>Back to hula hoopsYou still haven't explained what you think you didB works just fine with hula hoops btw
>>720726048
someone is eventually going to write a paper proving it's mathematically A eventually, for their physics thesis
>>720726208B isn't a hula hoop though
>>720726286Kind of is in the portal frame. Not so much in a lab frame.
>>720726238>someone is eventually going to write a paper proving it's mathematically geocentric eventually, for their physics thesis
>>720726016>>720726039But as the part in blue pulls the part in orange, the part in orange's speed would be the speed of the portal + the force of it being pull. And this speed will just getting faster as the column part in blue increase.If the column is long enough and light enough, it speed would keep accelerating, even faster than the speed of the orange portal if the condition is right.
>>720725592>your theory falls apart when you alter 1 variable
>>720726286You're looking right at it and still denying it.
>>720726407The pulling only happens once the portal stops (or at least slows). While the porting is engulfing the column at a constant rate, there are no internal forces within the column.
>>720726409Don't need a truck, the Earth is moving.
>>720726409it plops
>>720726569Uh huh.Why?
>>720726407No, you are mistakenly adding speed double. The column would only experience a pull if the orange portal decelerates, and only because in this instance, the part of the column beyond the portal is going faster than the part on the near side. The net result is always less than if the portal had continued at a constant speed, because the part on the near side is also pulling on the other part in turn, slowing it down.
>>720726409classic btard logicthe earth is moving/spinningthe moon is moving and isn't fixed at any point of earth's orbitdid you see shit moving in some retarded direction at the end of portal 2?
>>720726409It would be A but moving left not right, also moving left at the same angle the blue portal is, so it would crash into the ground immediately
>>720726527But that's too abstract for them.
>>720726627>did you see shit moving in some retarded direction at the end of portal 2?No, precisely because B was in effect.
>>720726660They are flat earthers.
>>720726587>>720726512I see, I guess I'm B now.
>>720726627>did you see shit moving in some retarded direction at the end of portal 2?No, because B is what happens in that scene.
>>720726739A is what happened
>>720726736Happy to help, you are to be commended for keeping an open mind. Most of your cohort seem unwilling to consider that they might be wrong and ask questions without wanting to hear the answers.
>>720726797You can't even articulate what A is in that scenario and why.
>>720726797That's where you're wrong, though.
>>720721242What? A is the one where the object instantly accelerates (well, decelerates, same thing). B says the object keeps moving at the velocity it was moving in the direction it was moving, aka no acceleration.
B tards btfo again
>>720716980Problem is force has to be exerted somewhere, but the question is where?Like obviously the cube MUST move not because of how it's going through, but how when it EXITS it must exit at a speed to allow the next section to exit, so the front part of the cube goes through, then the part behind it, so on so forth, and so the cube must exit at that speed unless you have some quasi-space dimension the rest of the cube is being held in between said portals instead of them just connecting. The cube is exiting at 10m/s, OK, so the front of the cube came through and must move at that speed because the next part of the cube must come through and is also coming through at that speed.The cube does not just "pop" into existence fully outside the portal - it must move through it because that's how things move, if not how would the subsequent section of the cube go through? It couldn't.>1 inch of cube goes through >Next 1 inch of cube goes through, so that 1 inch has to move out of the way>Next 1 inch of cube goes through, so that 1 inch has to move out of the way>Essentially this happens repeatedly, and since the objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time they must keep movingThis is the reality of it, the next section could not go through the portal if the previous section wasn't moved, unless you have quasi-space where the cube is temporarily stored so that it can pop out all at the same time directly outside the portal.
>>720725859>they both have the same volume of water in the cylinder but the left side has also the additiona weight of the pingpong ball on the scale so the left side will go downNo. The displacement from the heavier object would do what?
>>720716980what about cube frame?
>>720727190A here corresponds to B in the other scenario. B here corresponds to nothing. A is missing but would result in a pancake.
>>720727140The object doesn't accelerate in A and decelerate out of Bthe object has no velocityB the object magically gains velocity going through a portal\>>720727190is accurate because portals are two sides of the same coin, it's a fucking hoola hoop, not a particle accelerator or some railgun coil
>>720720791>>720718234Unlike portals, the monty hall problem exists in reality and thus can be solved. Quite easily, in fact.A portal's mere existence breaks the laws of physics in numerous ways so it's impossible to actually know whether A or B is correct
>>720727305Cube leaves the portal behind.
>>720727336kill yourself nigger
For those actually thinking about it and not fucking about:The answer is bothPortals moving relative to themselves cause all objects to have two different but simultaneously valid velocities from all possible reference points.From the reference point just outside the "exit" portal the box is both stationary (and will plop out with no inertia) and moving towards it at the rate the portal is moving (and will fly out with inertia)
>>720727376You're not thinking with portals, I'm afraid.>B the object magically gains velocity going through a portalThis is literally how portals work in the game.
>>720727476Wrong, retard.Things only exist once.Looking through a portal is not a valid frame of reference.You have been told this in every thread you posted in.
>>720727476>BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG BECAUSE BOTH CASES ARE RIGHTThis is an exact science you fucking redditor
>>720717092None of those words are in the Bible
>>720727476Reference points are just arbitrary measurements. The cube is, indeed, both stationary and moving in either frame of reference. That alone doesn't tell you what should happen, though. It's about relative motion. There's always motion between portal and cube.
>>720727550in GAME it works because that's how the game was codedbut no one is arguing "that's how it's coded"
>>720717567Steel is heavier than ping pong
>>720716980Retard Doesn't work like that
>>720727717>>720727265based steel ball tardsdisplacement isn't weightand "air" captured by the pingpong isn't making it lighter, no different than a pingpong ball floating on the water
>>720719794>he doesn't know how 40k orks workred ones go fasta
>>720727803https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/130688/which-way-does-the-scale-tip/132649?utm_medium=organic&utm_source=yasmartcameraread up retard.
>>720717567I think I've seen this in the past, but I don't remember any reasoning I made or the answer.After thinking about additions and deductions of weigth I'm going to forget all of that and I'll reason that both exert the same force on the scale, because this force manifest itself as water pressure at the bottom of the recipient, and both have the same pressure (water heigth) and area.For the portal problem, I say B.
>>720727663>The cube's velocity doesn't tell you what happens Of course it doesYou have brain problems
>>720727939clearly the steel ball is cheating
>>720728221>clearly the steel ball is cheatingkek.
>>720728153Velocity is relative, my friend. Like I said, you can declare the vlocity to be anything depending on your frame of reference. The only one that matters, again, is the velocity relative to the portal. Note that my
>>720728153>>720728298Hit post too soon lolNote that my answer directly references velocity and that you appear to be the one with brain problems
>>720728298>What matters is the velocity relative to the portalYou're wrong, but even if you weren't that velocity simultaneously has a zero and nonzero value.Hence both A and B are correct
>>720727223>this is what bfags actually believeembarassing
>>720716980finally someone intelligent has made a demonstrative graphic of relative motion for all of the brownsnot that it will helpnow to read the replies and find out
>>720717690Jakie bydle
another thread won for the glory of A
>>720728384Ah, I see the mistake you're making. Yes, it is true that if we look at the cube and the blue portal without considering the path through the portal, both are stationary within the same frame of reference.But we care about the path through the portal. This is, in fact, also what you do in the games. You do it so intuitively that you don't realise that you're doing it. Looking through the portal, there's a straight line. Not looking through the portal, there's infinite acceleration as something completely reverses direction in an instant. Sounds nonsensical on paper, if you're just trying to apply high school physics equations to it. But again, you don't care when you're playing the game and do this all the time. The other measurements don't matter. They're only measurements. They don't affect anything. All that matters is what objectively happens between the portal and the cube.
>>720725607>No matter in or outI wonder >>720725882Just that we cannot apply physics but intuition, because they dont work in real life physics. Thats the hole point of the meme
>>720728914B is intuitive.
>>720720736irl has a map origin THOUGH
>>720716980>Stationary object just suddenly jumps because a hole passed around them>Somehow there's retards who believe this shit
>>720717567>>720728043This is my reasoning illustrated. Imo these are the only forces that matter in regards to the scale, and they are the same in both sides, so it doesn't tip either side.
>>720729167You're not thinking with portals
>>720729094no its not, thats why nobody can agree
>>720729191Now the string is making doubt, though.
>>720729191pressure doesnt affect the weight. Left has water+ ball vs right water only
>>720717810You fly backwards, obviously. The portal may be fixed to a surface, but you don't just magically gain the momentum of the surface when you go through it. Same goes for the OP, it's like this https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Hh_qiN0AV1M
>>720729315still B, albeit a bit slower since the upper part has to pull the lower part through
>>720717567The steel ball is adding weight to the right side.The ping pong ball is removing weight from the left side.The right side goes down.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zskb17PS6g
it's A
>>720729240It really is - and it's demonstrated by the fact that Afriends will readily agree to B in virtually alternate scenarios, including the Moon scene, and then they are surprised to learn that it is B, and even protest, because in their minds it's just "A is whatever my common sense tells me". The only reason people ever pick A is because they're trying to apply a flawed understanding of physics to it instead of just looking at what happens. Essentially, going against intuition. If you still don't think B is intuitive, consider this: in the games, you change the momentum of cubes all the time - but you intuitively understand that it doesn't look like a change through the portal, and are able to manipulate that change to your advantage without doing any sorts of physics calculations or even really considering that you made a change. That's really what B is, too. Relative speed in = relative speed out. It's simple, it's intuitive, it's consistent, it would make for the best new mechanic in a hypothetical Portal 3.
>>720729191>>720729285I think I got it now. It tips right.>>720729354The right carries a portion of the weight of the steel ball, too.
>>720719549Me when I call A B and B A
>>720729576Proving A right for all of time and space. Fuck off B fags.
>>720729576what now bfags?
>>720720097
>>720729102Even if it did portals canonical behaviour wouldn't be behaving according to it
>>720729576This footage is faked and simply wrong
>>720729213No, you're not thinking with portals. Cube doesn't have any momentum, only the portal does. Unless the portal somehow transfers momentum to whatever passes through it, but we know that isn't how it works.
>>720729807>>720729818Even the person who made that webm says he regrets making it because of how dishonest it is.Ask yourself why it wasn't demonstrated with a cube.
>>720729587>WHY DIDN'T HE GO FLYING HE SHOULD BE CATAPULTED INTO THE AIR!@B fags
>>720729983>Unless the portal somehow transfers momentum to whatever passes through it, but we know that isn't how it works.Except that's precisely how it works
>>720729997>source: it was revealed to me in a dream
>>720729983>Cube doesn't have any momentumRelative to what?
>>720727265both the pingpong ball and the steel ball displaces the same amount of water because they're the same sizeand the water level in both cylinders are the samemeaning they both have the same amount of water in them, therefore weigh the same amountyou fucking retarded nigger
jay stelly said it's A.
>>720730130DURRRRR WHAT IS MASS DURRRRRRRR
>>720729983>Unless the portal somehow transfers momentum to whatever passes through it, but we know that isn't how it works.We do in fact know that's exactly how it works. That is, if you're thinking with portals.
The cube doesn’t come in contact to the moving slab so momentum can’t transfer
>>720730017He should, in fact, "go flying" relative to the car he just exited.
>>720729997Because in game, only moving objects can go through a portal:>>720722965>>720720419So the player goes to do it themselves because they can make the character jump, which allows the portal to function. This should mean that Chell should fly even further than the cube (the cube and the character are the same weight)
>>720730080https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/575398954/#575409068
>>720730130Boats exert their weight on water. They float when the weight of the water displaced (buoyancy) exceeds their weight. That steel ball is exerting its weight on the water, making the right side heavier
>>720716980>Cube frameThe cube isn't moving anywhere, it just has a box dropped around it, and then gravity shifts to the side.
>>720730172Someone post the retard intern who didn't even understand the problem vs the chad overthinker comparison.
i sleep extremely well at night under a weighted blanket knowing A is right
>>720730173the same amount of water have the same mass?????????
>>720730256>The cube doesn't have momentum therefore it isn't moving when exiting the portal
>>720730309I'm actually the guy who originally made the webm/map and I stand by it entirely and still KNOW it's A.It's an anonymous website you fucking retarded faggot anyone can say anything or say they're anybody
>>720730386Dishonest, false
>>720725490>
>>720729631>The right carries a portion of the weight of the steel ball, too.No it doesnt wtf
>>720730425Some people prefer the comfort of delusions to the stark truth, indeed. I suppose the reality of B would drive you mad. It was not made for simple minds.
>>720721758>2/3 is the answer people switch to when it gets explained to them>Just like what happens with Bwildly optimistic and unfounded takes
>>720730554see>>720729495unlike the portal thing we can actually do this in real life
>>720730386>it just has a box dropped around it, and then the box doesn't stop falling>and then gravity shifts to the sideThere. You have been corrected and enlightened.
>>720730586I want to laugh but it is sad, really. You're right. A lot of people can't accept when they're wrong, they take it personally and double down.
>>720729819You are assuming that the static portal behaves like a hole, which is not the case. Its a portal, just think what happens with the air on the moving one vs on the other side
>>720730509Anon theres actual CP embeded to the post lol
>>720730820>Its a portal, just think what happens with the air on the moving one vs on the other sideJust more evidence for B
>>720730683Why wouldn't it stop? It lands on the floor.
if you stand at the exit portal and see the cube moving towards you, it doesnt matter which direction it is approaching the portal, whether it is falling, rising or pushed from the sideit would still have the same velocity and momentumhence b
>>720730483>you don't have a source>ok so you have a source but it's not legitAnd the posts keep getting moved!It's pretty believable that someone would regret making that webm because it IS really dishonest and using half-assed game code in ways it wasn't meant to be used. Not to mention it contradicts scenes depicting actual canonical events in the game.Especially since the guy didn't pull a full 180. If he turned completely to B I would be pretty sceptical but going full fenceshitter creates enough nuance and believability that he's an Afag who started to realise the problems with A that plenty of Afags do. Though I'm sure he'll never go full B simply for the absolute self-hate he'd have to feel for being the person who made that webm.
>>720731029What floor?Bonus question, does it experience deceleration when it lands on the floor you are about to substantiate?
>>720730554The water carries a part of the weight of the ball (buoyancy); the string carries the rest.I other words, the string carries less weight than if the ball was in the air; the water carries the rest.
>>720731089I'm Edward Witten and it's actually A.
>>720730586It's true though. People go from 50/50 to "1/3 and 2/3" when they develop a better understanding of the problem. In the exact same way you do see people go from A to B.The reason you're saying that's optimistic is because of the sheer amount you'll see people react stubbornly and refuse to see sense because they don't want to admit they fell for the problem at first. THAT'S ALSO ACCURATE TO THE MONTY HALL PROBLEM. You DO get people who stubbornly insist it's 50/50 and their more popular first answer was the right one.
>>720731426No you're not because just like >>720730483 you're lying to try and make a point but are instead demonstrating that it's easy to tell when someone's lying based on that very context.
>>720729893The water would shoot out like a geyser from the weight of the water column forcing it through the orange portal
>>720731572depends on the acceleration of the platform moving downwards don't you agree?
>>720731541>Can understand that an anon is capable of lying about who they are>Can't understand that someone else might lie more convincingly when they care more about the lieThe "point" you're arguing doesn't matter anyway - even if the guy regrets making the webm, it still shows us exactly what happens in the game
>>720730386That's not the cube frame. The cube literally shouldn't be moving in its own frame. More to the point how something moves in its own reference frame tells you nothing about its actual state of movement since only an actual relative motion is meaningful data. How did you manage to go to the effort to animate something that wasn't correct to begin with?
>>720731572Bfags haven't actually played portal, anonThey think it's like a Stargate instead of a straight up hole in spacetime
>>720732056>Stargate instead of a straight up hole in spacetimeHow would that make a difference in what it does?
>>720730625fuck man, Im so used to newtonian abstractions that I completely forgot about fuid dynamics
>>720731005no, because there is resistance on both ends. You cant crash an object with 2 portals
Afags are flat earthers.
>>720732125Well if it were a stargate, it might actually be A, but like any Afriend, he has no real idea of what he's saying
>>720732236>there is resistance on both endsTell me, if you have a train that has a hole on the front, can you sit at the front without feeling a breeze? Would the air on the train provide resistance that prevents the air outside from blowing into the hole? Now replace the hole with portals. You don't even need to be on the train for this. You can place the inside portal inside a stationary room.
>>720717567
>>720729696B fags are the ones objects suddenly fly when passing through portal because muh portal was moving
>>720732527Steel is heavier than air>>720729495
Btards either make hypothetical scenarios that prove a or are completely different from the initial scenario.
>>720732496the portal speed is irrelevant because its a portal. If you sit on the front of the train you already have momentum because you have mass, a portal doesnt. What a retarded example
>>720731198True, also left has less water. I forgot about buoyancy for a second there, thanks anon. This physics things are always fun
>>720732536B is relative speed in = relative speed out.
>>720732125The surface of a stargate has an event horizon that has mass and explicitly disintegrates and reintegrates matter and energy as well as a whole bunch of other properties. The way it interacts with the surrounding environment and objects passing through it are completely different to that of a Portal.
>>720732887We're talking about the air here, genius. And how would the portal speed ever be irrelevant?If the cube is 1m tall, and the portal comes down at a rate of 1m/s, the cube would appear on the other side over the course of exactly one second, would it not? Whereas, if the portal moved at 1/2m/s, then the cube would only be halfway through after one second. This alone should be enough for you to start realising there are serious flaws with A.
>>720733085so according to this logic teleporting to mars should instantly throw you at very fast speeds because mars and earth portals have relatively different momentumdo you see how retarded that sounds?
>>720733323No, relative speed in = relative speed outYou walk in at 3mph relative to Earth and emerge at 3mph relative to MarsThe portal has changed your velocity (relative to Earth) but conserved your velocity (relative to the portal)
>>720733323It does sound retarded - but the point is, that's A. A suggests that you would maintain your speed relative to Earth, rather than your speed relative to the portal. B suggests you can walk through a portal to a different planet, and it's just like walking regularly. Because your speed relative to the portal is walking speed. But with A, you were going at a walking pace relative to Earth, so when you arrive on Mars, you have to be going at a walking pace RELATIVE TO EARTH. Which would immediately kill you.You may note that this is not only nonsensical but also blatantly not how portals work in the game. In the game, you maintain momentum through the portal, not relative to the environment. Afriends suggest that, just this instance, we do things the other way around, and change the momentum through the portal to maintain momentum relative to the environment. How a portal would know what that even is is an open question.
>>720733646you're talking to a brick wall
>>720733252>flaws with ANo, as I mentioned before, the flaw is the hole concept of portals moving
>>720733646>You walk in at 3mph relative to Earth and emerge at 3mph relative to MarsNigger, mars and the earth move at different velocities. We are talking about portals here, literal space time
>>720734079If you can't conceptualise portals moving then what are you doing in this conversation?
>>720734163Damn, didn't think I'd actually get to see Afriends argue that portalling to another planet should actually kill you rather than admit they're wrong
>spend over a decade on a chinese cartoon forum autistically discusssing an hypotetical scenario that the game outright tells you it ain't possibleFor what reason?
>>720734163You don't understand what the word relative means do you?
>>720716980>made it look like the base is the one moving so that his retarded theory makes more sense
>>720734369learning to manipulate retards
>>720733129So one is linking space while the other is transferring matter.But in the end they both effectively behave as passages right? You walk through them like a doorways. Key thing being when a doorway moves differently or points in different directions that necessitates motion of what passes through them to change in order to continue functioning a seamless passages.So the real question becomes what the rule for how the motion change works is.
>>720734598You don't get it. You literally don't get what is being demonstrated here.
>>720734163>Nigger, mars and the earth move at different velocities.Yes, which is why as I stated, the portal has changed your velocity.
>>720734348>>720734425>le piston portal? it flies! see one of them speedy!>le literal planets going at god knows how much speed at different directions and speeds?>nah you won't flyB fags don't even know what the fuck are they talking about, how the fuck are you supposed to take them seriously?
>>720717567>Left Side (Ping Pong Ball held in water by string)The ping pong ball is less dense than water, so it wants to float.It is being pulled down by the string to keep it submerged.Forces acting:Upthrust (buoyant force) acts upward on the ball.Tension in the string holds it down.The beaker of water itself feels a downward reaction force equal to the buoyant force (because the water is what pushes the ball up).Importantly: The scale measures the weight of the beaker + water + reaction force from the ball.Net effect: The apparent weight on the left side is increased by the buoyant force on the ping pong ball.>Right Side (Steel Ball suspended in water by external support)The steel ball is denser than water, so it wants to sink.It is suspended by a string attached to an external support (not the beaker).Forces acting:The ball experiences an upward buoyant force from the water.By Newton’s third law, the water experiences a downward reaction force equal to this buoyant force.That downward force is transmitted to the beaker of water, increasing its apparent weight.Net effect: The apparent weight on the right side is increased by the buoyant force on the steel ball.Key ComparisonOn the left: Extra weight = buoyant force on ping pong ball.On the right: Extra weight = buoyant force on steel ball.Since the steel ball displaces more water (large volume submerged), its buoyant force is much larger than that of the ping pong ball.>ConclusionThe right side (steel ball side) tips down, because the buoyant force on the steel ball adds more apparent weight to that beaker than the buoyant force on the ping pong ball does on the left.
>>720734781It's literally relative velocity in = relative velocity out in both cases, and in any other problem you care to present.
>>720734598That's literally what the portal frame means. By saying it makes sense you're admitting what the B answer works when looking at the portal frame.
>>720716980I dont get why that would happen, the block isn't moving, and nothing is pushing it through with force
>>720734750>>720734867portals are just windows, stupid nerds
>>720734781The rule was already explained to you. If you can't see how the rule is consistently working that's your problem.
>>720734939Because portals translate momentum
>>720734942Windows that change the momentum of what passes through them to behave as passages. See >>720721072
>>720735076>Windows that change the momentum of what passes through themthey don't do that in game
>>720734939If you actually committed to the idea that the block isn't moving on exiting the portal that would result in the individual matter of the block pushing itself out.
>>720735135Literally just linked you to the image that shows that's what the do in the game.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASUUN0W4_JY
>>720735135They literally do
>>720735135They do at the end of portal 2 >>720722884
>>720734846>>720734980So cube teleporting to basically the same place on space time somehow makes it fly but teleporting to a much different space with different velocity doesn't?Because piston was moving?If piston moving influences speed then teleporter of ork also influences speed because it is on a fucking planet going at god knows how much speed which is relatively different to destination planet. It is literally the same shit.Fuck you retard.
>>720717116>when toxoplasmosis fans compete in a "most annoying thread derailers" challenge and their opponents are rabies fans
>>720735267>>720735275>>720735309then show it in game, not your silly made up shit
>>720735363In this scene, Chell is moving sideways at ~2300km/h (orbital speed of the moon)The portal she went through gave her this velocity, otherwise the moon would have left her behind and she'd be floating in space.
>>720735363Nigger, what part of "portal flings (IN THE GAME) are portals changing momentum" did you not get?
>>720729495>>720717567Water is pushing against the steel ball. Because the steel ball has more mass, the water gets pushed back instead (AKA down)
>>720735508that's just a window>>720735513not an argument
>>720735339Yes, the ork gains the speed of the teleporter he teleports to, which is why he doesn't go blasting off like team rocket.His speed relative to the entrance teleporter is conserved as his new speed relative to the exit teleporter. Relative in = relative out.
>>720735721why did you switch the letters?
>>720734369because the other side (A) is comprised of factually wrong mouthbreathers, and is my god given right and duty to educate them
>>720730554the buoyant force on a submerged object is equal to the weight of displaced fluidit is as if the fluid is attempting to push out the ball, and the suspended ball exerts an equal and opposing force downward, increasing the apparent weight of the beakerin parallel, there would be a corresponding decrease of weight being supported by the string compared to the ball in air (a much less dense fluid)considering the same set-up with a less dense object which floats, the buoyant force is equal to the weight of the object, it is completely supported by the fluid, and the shift in weight between beaker and string would be total instead of partial
>>720735648>ask for a scene in portal where momentum changes on passing through portals>get given multiple instances>refuse to accept it
>>720735847>multiple instancesretarded?i asked for an in-game exampleyou only posted one, and it confirmed what i said instead of what you implied
>>720735767He didn't. That's what you fail to understand.
>>720735648Show me an IRL window which seamlessly accelerates you to 2300km/h sideways as you pass through it.
>>720734369I like to channel my compulsive need to tell idiots they are wrong through these threads, where it's harmless. It's becoming increasingly unsafe to give voice to my actual opinion on shit that matters, and it was infinitely more depressing.
Why do B fags overthink this simple question like autists?
>>720717567they aren't the same colour
>>720736097B:>relative speed in = relative speed outA:>Actually the portal is warping space around the cube...>Actually it's only illusory motion...>Actually it's 4th-dimensional movement in the 3rd dimension...
>>720735767Because it's what people do in these threads. Troll others.
>>720735938> asked for an in-game exampleAnd you were given multiple in-game examples.>you only posted oneI'm not the only anon who responded to you>and it confirmed what i said instead of what you impliedYou've literally been linked a physics professor telling you that something changing in travel direction is not conserving momentum.
If it's not moving, it's not moving. Simple as, innit.
>>720735767he didn't
>>720736250>be too stupid to understand>conclude they must be trolling youOr rather, you're the one that's doing the trolling here.
>>720736250Again: he's not trolling. The letters are in the right place. Now, try to understand why I would tell you that, without assuming that I am trolling.
The original answer is A.This is how B would work.
>>720736393See >>720732527
>>720736603Lol literally what I was going to post.By the way here's a fantastic example of relative motion at work irl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fu03F-Iah8
>>720736393crazy how after more than a decade, retards still fail to understand this simple concept, and instead complicate it with physics mumbo jumbo
>>720736586Do you just go around making these examples and switching letters for fun?
>>720737026The real answer is even simpler: B happens every time. >>720737142They are, once again, properly labelled, and your inability to understand that fact is why you're unable to accept that it's B.Relative speed in = relative speed out.
i will never not love these threads
>>720737026see >>720729819
>>720736586>>720737265these are hilarious
It's literally just relative in = relative out, it's so easy.
Reminder>>720717326
>>720737563
>>720737519So easy you needed to change the question to fit your "understanding"?The cube is. not. moving.
>>720737650What do you think should happen in that changed scenario?
>>720737650>The cube is. not. moving.So you admit you're a flat earther?
>>720737563Changing the scenario is demonstrating consistency in the logic. If you want to prove that your gun can kill every kind of elephant you can only prove that by changing the scenario to demonstrate it works when shot at different kinds of elephants.
>>720737728SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE ANSWER TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION YOU DENSE CUNT.>>720737768Even flat earthers think the earth is moving retard.
>>720737617>DRIVING IN MY CAR, RIGHT AFTER A SHAG>HEY THAT BUMP, LOOKS JUST LIKE AFAG
>>720717116please stop harassing that poor canadian
>>720737815No it doesn't you fucking tard.Changing 1 parameter is different to changing the whole fucking setup.That's what you dumbasses can't seem to understand.To use your stupid fucking analogy;Shooting a gun at an elephant to see how well it does and then changing the target to see it's effect on that new target is not changing the scenario.Putting the elephant underwater and shooting from a moving boat is changing the fucking scenario which is what you retards are doing.
>>720737829>Even flat earthers think the earth is moving retardNo it's actually pretty common for flat earth theories to have the earth as stationary. They have problems imagining the earth being round, how the fuck would they be ok with it also moving really fast?
>>720738010>No you can't change the argument!!>For example: [Changes the argument]
>>720737829>SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THE ANSWER TO THE ORIGINAL QUESTION YOU DENSE CUNT.Yes but what specifically? How would you calculate the speed of the cube after it exits the portal? Could it even exit the portal?As a Bfag I have a simple law of the conservation of velocity relative to the portal. But I've noticed Afags all give various different answers to these scenarios because they don't have a shared understanding of what A even means.
>>720716980The absolute saddest thing is, this whole thing started out as a troll physics thread, like we had many back in the day, when trolling was still actually an art and everyone and their mother knew B is wrong. But nowadays retards think that this was an actual discussion, turned it into an actual discussion, and seriously think B is right.
Solved. You can delete the thread now, mod.
>>720738010>Changing 1 parameter is different to changing the whole fucking setup.Doesn't matter when the goal is demonstrating the consistency of the logic behind your answer. The point is you're demonstrating the logic to be the correct one when applied to the original problem.>Shooting a gun at an elephant to see how well it does and then changing the target to see it's effect on that new target is not changing the scenario.>Putting the elephant underwater and shooting from a moving boat is changing the fucking scenario "My gun is capable of killing every kind of elephant and can even hit them underwater"To demonstrate the consistency of my logic every scenario you just listed would be justified to demonstrate it.>but the original problem was shooting this one specific elephant out in the open!>mate, after the various tests with this thing where it was shown to be able to kill every kind of elephant and can even hit them through water, we know it'll fucking die
>>720738526There is no trolling in this, and I'm being honest. I defend B because it's what I believe to be what would actually happen, given all the proofs posted and my knowledge of physics.You may choose to ignore this but I am not trolling.
Consider the following
The problem is people constrain themselves to one type of scenario and only argue that, which leads to a huge blindspotWhat happens when you have a moving portal and transport an item that doesn't have enough room at the output?This should lead you to the correct answer.
>>720716980I, for one, cannot believe that those aperture niggers managed to figure out perpetual motion, but then lost it to a shitty ai.
>>720738339thinking both are the same is plain retarded and shows you haven't even played the game you argue about
>>720738526>acknowledges that B became more and more popular the more experienced people got with the topicYou sure you want to admit that?
>>720739101common BGOD W
>>720738565>anon fails to look four posts above him
>>720738526Bfags sometimes troll by credibly posing as Afags, because Bfags understand A and can troll argue for it.Afags cannot credibly pose as Bfags, because Afags don't understand B.
>>720739421>>720738887play the game and come back
>>720738823Atom Smasher, B in the original, switch in Monty Hall.I don't believe an object pushing against a surface through a portal could impart any force on the surface hosting the entry portal.
>Bfags are just samefag posters that only respond to bad faith arguments they made themselves and ignore other postswow, what a way to "support" Bfags
>>720739556The game has one instance of solid matter going through moving portals, and it shows B.
>>720739678get better baits
>>720739604So, if a portal falls onto an object, it'll give the object infinite energy to smash itself?
>>720739753Moon scene is literally rel vel in = rel vel out and it is canon and no amount of dickless Afag seethe will ever change that.
>>720739753He's right.>inb4 air pressureAir pressure is the 10 mph on the earth end. Chell's momentum changes massively at the exact point she passes through the portal.
>>720739626If a Bfag made it it's not a bad faith argument. Which one are you missing? There's a refutation for every single Afag point.
>>720739952forgot what the protag was holding on tomaybe if you played the game you'd know wtf you are talking about
>>720739776The object HAS to come out of the other end of the portal. It doesn't need to have infinite energy, just enough to force its way through.
>>720738526>any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be retarded will eventually be filled with actual retards thinking they are in good companypiece of shit mods should have banned B fags (trolls) before it was too latedamn shame
>>720717567ping pong side is heavier.the weight of the string and the plastic of the ball are held down by the water, with the additional water pressure being considered, which is now pushing onto the scale.weight of the steel ball and string is held up independently.
>>720740057Wheatley? He's also going at 2200 mph on going through the portal mate.
>>720738526No, it started out as a genuine question. And people who were genuinely interested in finding an answer discussed it amongst themselves. And every single one of them eventually arrived at B. The only ones who still insist on A are the ones, like you, who thought the whole thing was a troll physics thread, and treat it as such.
>>720740057Afags really think that holding on to a cable can instantly accelerate you sideways from 0 to 2200mph and that this would have no ill effects on your body.
>>720740069>>720738526why do you keep switching the letters?
>>720740229a fags think portals act just like windowssince you will be influenced by moon's gravity much like on earth, this won't mean you need to accelerate at moon's orbital speed, the transition would be seamless, unlike yours
>>720740371Anon, the transition is only seamless if you do, in fact, instantly accelerate to the Moon's speed. That is in fact the only condition wherein you would not feel a discrepancy.
>>720735518id argue its more about the weight is being pulled down by gravity, which in turn is a downward push on the water.the displacement is how the string isnt holding all the weight. but i think styrfoam isnt the best way to do this test. you need a ball with a string enough shell to not bend/distort from the pressure of the water around it.
New thread?
>>720729587you need to adjust one thing in this, the car didnt keep going, it came to a complete stop once the man has left the car. the man in your example would of course move forward, while the car stops.(not that this example is accurate, not is the hoop example accurate either.)
>>720740371Gravity will gradually accelerate you in a direction. The Moon's gravity is around 1.622 m/s2 which is tiny and not enough to capture someone when the Moon is moving away from them at 2200mph (approx 1km/s).Do you understand just how fast 1 kilometre per second really is?
>>720740929Make one if you like but mods often only allow us 1 thread, maybe 2 if they're lazy.
>>720740371It would take ten whole minutes for the moon's gravitational acceleration to bring 2200 mph to 0.On top of that 2200 mph exceeds the moon's escape velocity so if Chell's motion isn't immediately changed (which as the other anon says IS the only way a seamless travel could happen) she wouldn't even remain with the moon at all.
>>720741121They're too busy nuking any mention of Charlie Kirk
>>720730554think of water pressure. the WHOLE stand is being pushed down by gravity, ball, string, and stand.now imagine if u slapped the top of the water, there would be a downward force (and other directions as well)as long as gravity is always pressing down on the stand/string/ball, there will always be an additional downward pressure force, outside of just air pressure, even if tiny.
>>720740813>the weight is being pulled down by gravityThat's nullified by the string holding the steel ball up.The string is holding 100% of the ball's weight.The water naturally pushes against all the walls around it, including the steel ball.It's not gravity. It's the water pushing itself down against the steel ball.
>>720741121the fact that B fags make a million paint drawings is proof they post to troll and don't really care about the original question
>>720741201What video games did he made?
>>720741231It's proof that B holds up.
>>720741363you guys always switch the letters to troll
>>720741330JFK Reloaded
>>720741446We don't; you just *really* don't get B. It cannot be understated just how much you don't understand the argument being made. How completely over your head it goes. You can't even begin to comprehend. So you dismiss it as trolling.
>>720741446No. You're the one that's trolling by bringing that up. Since you'd only bring up that very specific thing if you were already aware they aren't being swapped.
>>720735767he didnt. but this is a good example why BOTH A and B are wrong.depending on the situation, the results give impossible outcomes.you cant have both the external comparison to the box/person be both moving and not, while being the opposite not moving and moving in the final situation.ppl are looking at panel 2, and saying A or B.rather than looking at left/right panel, and looking at how left and right contradict eachother.the best way to say this is like saying>ok guys, heres a question for ya>left panel 1+2>right panel 3+2= A or B?you need both the left and the right panels to match up, and they dont. you have ppl in this thread using 1+2 for their answer, and some using 3+2 for their answer, and then only using that calculation to argue why the other is stupid.also reminds me of when ppl did stupid shit like2x3___1+2when you cant mix x/÷ with () over __
>>720741225>>720741225>downit pushes in all directions.the reason DOWN is the primary direction is gravity
>>720741896>ut this is a good example why BOTH A and B are wrong.It's not, it's an example of B being right, plainly
>>720741896You don't understand the B position.
>>720717092based
