>AAA games can cost €50 and be a huge succes>indie games can cost €20 and be a huge succesWhy do games need to cost €80 again?
>>720717120Expedition 33 and Silksong didn't have 10 gorillian pajeets on staff making bad code and unoptimized art so the production costs were lower
which will win goty?
>>720717225This and also not having americans work on your game also massively reduces costs
>>720717281Silksong.It actually makes E33 look like the mediocre game it is with its better gameplay.
>>720717412this shit should be the first thing to go if AI ever becomes usefulliterally a fake job
>hollow knight/silksong characters drawn the same size as humansThat looks stupid as hell. They are bugs, so they should be bug-sized.
>>720717480She already got fired during the massive layofts at blizzard the past yearsNow she is doing the same bullshit job somewhere else
>>720717494E33's setting is a Painted world where anything can be made real.>>720717281Who cares? Both are good and both are good for the industry. Small teams can make great games and charge a good price for them. Even smaller indie teams can make great games and charge a good price for them. E33 and Silksong ideally would be a wake up call to the AAA behemoths that you don't need hundreds of millions of dollars and thousands of devs to make good games that sell well.
>>720717281Bookies say it's E33
>>720717120would you be fine with AAA games just using asset store assets and paying €50 for them?
>>720717643E33 makes more sense. Silksong is very much a DLC turned into a stand alone release.
>>720717730E33 is very much an asset flip turned into a stand alone release
>>720717730more importantly its 2d, I don't think a 2d game has ever won goty
>>720717120>Expedition 33 >Indie gameMore like nepobaby first launch pad
>>720717847Why would you sell equity early if they could have self funded though?
>>720717847actually illiterate
>>720717606600 people worked on star wars outlaws and it's a technical mess and has horrible game design. Meanwhile 30 people worked on clair obscure. How can 30 people outperform 600 people? How is that even possible?
>>720717972>Meanwhile 30 people worked on clair obscure.It's closer to 40
>>720717578she survived the layoffs unfortunately
>>720717784>I don't think a 2d game has ever won gotyRance X won 2018 GOTY in Japan
>>720717480It's basically adult daycare>>720717972>How can 30 people outperform 600 people?too many cooksfor a creative project you honestly start running into diseconomies of scale
>>720717281E33 because it's movie gameSo called critics would rather not have to play games
>>720718091It's not a movie game at all. There is a lot more gameplay than cutscenes unlike games like tlou or god of war
>>720717120silksong's 20 dollar pricepoint reflects on the quality on the game>no cutscenes, no story, barebones npc interactions>voice acting is meme tier, repeated lines, acting so bad on the mc its better to turn them off completely>lack of metaprogression in a metroid, copypasted level design with different colors in each biome, non rewarding>annoying inventory slotting system where the only good things are blue and you only have 2 slots >padded out quests and other mundane shit required to actually finish the game in act 3>terrible fast travel system made to waste time>cut content>combat is extremely barebones and made difficult only via contact damage. they couldnt design proper moves for 90% of the enemies. staggering an enemy usually means receiving damageif you want something proper at $20, see prince of persia the lost crown. i'll go ahead and call it an indie because such games get limited amount of budget too, and it turned out to be the literal #1 metroid in the history.
Do nintardogs really think people are retarded enough to fall for such obvious falseflagging, much less start a flamewar over ir?
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>>720718336>guys it's shit please playprince of persia the lost crown>PLEASE CARE ABOUT MY SANDNIGGER GAME PLEASEE PLEASE PLEASE
>>720717120White people won.
>>720718581>1 tanned guy is bad>but not my heckin furry bugs where half of them are gender swapped and the voices dont match and most of them are lgbt if you pay attention to the sidequestsmedia illiterate retard, lmao.
>>720717120Because Nintendo said so.
>>720718280Gameplay = press button to parry then wait until you decide which button to press to continue combat. Repeat until a cutscene happens, then walk on a glorified hallway and start it over.Movie game.
>>720717781What assets were flipped and from whence?
>>720718487What the fuck?
>>720717412>expects people who are in marketing to do any work
>>720718709My normalfag friend literally got filtered and dropped E33, saying that there is too much exploration and gameplay before cutscenes and hecking story progression. He didn't even finish Act 1
>>720718869and?
>>720718950And he finished The Last of Us 2, a true movie game. If E33 were a movie game, he would have finished it and not dropped it.
>>720717120don't compare slop33 to silksong please
>>720717281E33. Silksong filters casual players let alone journalists and whatever judges they picked who will no doubt take one look at the graphics of each before giving E33 the trophy.
>>720717281Hopefully 33 because GOTY awards are for normies
>>720718793It's a unity game, it's probably trivial to alter the text or just photoshop it
>>720719078HK is the normiest metroidvania ever made, since it sold way more than any other game of this genre. And so is SS.
>>720717120Cool it with these anti-semitic questions, goy.
>>720717120Because Nintendo is my childhood friend and deserves our money.
>>720718995TLOU had the most complex mechanics for even taking out a gun and reloading and shit, it's not a movie game. it's more akin to an immersive sim but to call something like that a moviegame is crazy
>>720719025devs of the game you’re saying is incomparable like the slop though? what now? should you start hating silksong too? >>720718487
>>720719181It sold on hype. Normalfags are bitching about the difficulty nonstop.
>>720717281Borderlands 4
>>720717120large studios with a bunch of bullshit jobs trying to validate their existence
They don't need to cost eighty dollars, just like you don't need to play them. Don't like the price, don't buy at that price.
>>720718581>no arguments KWAB
>>720718630>tanned guy with nigger hair and sweet baby inc involved yeah bro i will pay and download this game, trust me, just wait a moment
>>720719481did you expect anything else from a silksonger?they played 2 games in their lives: HK and SSthey physically can't know what something good can be, they can't even acknowledge what's good or bad in their games
>>720717120*AA
>>720718741They obviously used environmental packs for some clutter/rocks/props etc. because they had only three 3D artists working on bespoke access and wouldn't have the time to make every generic prop.This is the exact usecase for generic assets, letting small teams punch above in scope, and if it's integrated well and the artstyle is consistent there's no problem.
>>720718709Oh you're ACfag l. Why did I even bother replying to you at allGo back to terraria, stop posting
>>720717494>They are bugs, so they should be bug-sized.they're human sized retardo
>>720718828I know people who work in marketing and they literally do nothing all day while getting great salaries
2D games arent worth more than $20, threads retarded thats like saying mobile phone games are free so why pay $20 for a game
>>720717781this line of thought is exactly why we don't have lengthy rpgs with good story anymore>nooo you can't reuse assetsthis is the essence of turn based rpgs, you do it that way so that you can make good stories and bossesno one cares if it's done well, and it allows the devs to focus on cooler parts of the game, but you wouldn't understand because you're a zoomie that feeds of social media
>>720717697Yes. Would even call it AAAA because store assets are better than whatever AI shit AAA games churn out.
>>720718869>there is too much explorationHuh? It's almost a linear game. There isn't that much exploration. You sure your friend isn't just a retard?
>>720718487KINO
>>720717281E33, shitters love cinematic QTE games and it's "massive rpg fans first game". Silksong is too difficult for normalfags bandwagoners it lowered its steam review anyways
I love both games.
>>720718741Unreal Marketplace
>>720719550half the bugs in silk are niggers, and as i mentioned earlier, they are fags too. keep glazing your shitty underdeveloped indie, closeted fag.
>>720718336Why make these idiotic posts for a game you obviously didn't play? You're making yourself look like an idiot
>>720718648Sony started it first in 2020
>>720720120>EVERYTHING must be handcraft or i'm gonna have a freaking fit!How did this game having a premade climbing animation affect your game experience?
>>720720248kek sure i didnt. i'd have nothing against the game otherwise because on the broader side its just another 2d platformer with paint.net style.
>>720720056Silksong made me realize how mediocre E33 is.You barely really interact with the environment, the combat is a QTE fest, many skills feel inconsequential and you will never be able to use all of them anyway. The only thing I would say that is better in E33 than in Silksong is the music.
>>720721091Shut the fuck up.
>>720721114He's right, you knowGameplay matters more than anything else
>>720721114Get better taste in games, E33turd.
>silksong gameplayoh my god, GOTY!!!!
>>720721091You can tell the focus was not the gameplay and it was just made to look "pretty", even then it doesn't look all that good
>>720721243Said the silktranny lmao
>>720721539Yes.
Why put these in the same box when clair obscure troons shit themselves and start crying when faced with a game that actually requires some effort to play well?
>>720721539>"Dude, Silksong is actually combo wombo curahzee game”>RealityThanks for showing me this, I almost got scammed by silktroon
>>720721114The fact that you only had such a pathetic response says everything. He's fully correct.
Oh look, another tendie forced flamewar thread You already tried this with five other games nigger
>>720719357The likelihood of sweaty pitchford turning into a walking grease fire is higher.
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>>720719357Pffffffffff
>>720717120E33 is a shit game with a laughably bad story. I'm sorry but "AND THEN IT WAS ALL A DREAM" is shit they give you as an example of BAD WRITING IN FUCKING HIGHSCHOOL, but every retarded predditor creams their pants over it, 'muh trauma muh guilt' the entire plot hinges on every person involved having terminal fucktard brain damage.Silksong might also turn out to be shit, replayed HK1 and just bought SS today and man the first (real) boss being 'Moss Charger but more health, damage and an extra attack with no counter window' is looking PRETTY FUCKING GRIMThese games are only being held up so high because every other modern vidya is THAT FUCKING BAD but both of these get mogged to hell and back by a whole slew of older games.>>720717972>How can 30 people outperform 600 people?At least 2/3rds of those 600 and DEI hires that contribute a net negative to the game. Also, E33 relies very heavily on scale to mask how shallow the exploration and environments are, copy-pasted assets spammed out the fucking ass with a healthy lathering of UE5 sloppa filters.
>>720719934>you do it that way so that you can make good stories and bossesYour argument would hold water if E33 had either of those
>>720717972different mentality when you're working on your passion project vs your 9-5. Office work in America is basically a game of how much you can slack off while still getting more done than your teammates so you're positioned well when it's time for promotions or layoffs (well certain tech sectors it's even wore because they know there's a ritual blanket layoff every 2-5 years so there's no point in even trying hard enough for that).
>>720723024>I'm sorry but "AND THEN IT WAS ALL A DREAM" is shit they give you as an example of BAD WRITING IN FUCKING HIGHSCHOOLYeah and the curtains are fucking blue amirite fellas?
>>720723784Clair obscure is an asset flip with barely any real gameplay. If they wanted to make a movie, they should've made a movie.
>>720724045Ok.
>>720717120to pay all the useless eaters, dei hires and especially our beloved (((white))) managers who bankroll all this shit. in short:never buy a game which is initally more expensive than 60 bucks. Pirating, is like demos were back then, the morally correct way to test if you even should spend your hard earned or easy leeched money.
Imagine being so retarded you fall for bait made by lobotomized cattle (ninturdogs)
>>720725004Why do you think this is bait?
>>720719025lol i wouldnt even compare silksong to my dookie stains, much less the 2025 future-GOTY.
>>720717281E33 is my GOTY, i dont care what jeff faggot suck kojimas dick keely gives the award to after that gay ps5 demo disk game was awarded it over wukong it was the biggest mask off moment from those cowards
>>720721539How can you be this fucking bad
>>720721539Nice one mask damage mod you fucking nigger holy shit kill yourself
>>720722181The retard is using a mod to take less damage and still almost dies. Of course it's going to look dumb
>>720717120>>AAAe33 is not AAA
>>720717281E33 will win.
>>720721539So THESE are the fags who install one mask damage mods... it all makes sense.
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>>720717281Silksong
>>720728726>>720728573>buzzwords buzzwords mods buzzwords AAAAACKKKnot a single mod is installed lmao, retarded trannies>>720728457do her in 2 mins or less, faggot, i challenge you.>oh no he took DAMAGE AAACKKKKbecause parrying, dodging and evasive maneuvers only waste time. you will take damage anyways. the ungabunga style at least guarantees you do damage to the boss, and prolonging the fight only decreases your chance of winning. basic fucking logic, niggers.
>>720732054Fucking faggot trying to look cool while using a mod that reduces damage. Fuck off you absolute retard
>>720733292Dumb ass tranny join the 41% club asap
