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It's no masterpiece
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It just lost its GOTY chances...
I'm crying at work right now
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>>720722045
Where is this enticing exploration they speak of? Because for me it seems like the game punishes you for exploring.
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>not even a frustrating 10/10
it's over...
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>20 dollars
>millions of hours of content
>bajillions of fans
>still gets a 9
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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>>720722045
Same score as E33. Seems like a GOTY contender to me.
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>>720722553
>NOOOOO the communist mob said it was good and doxes anyone who speaks against it!! how dare you not give it a 10. FUCK OFF
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I'm just waiting for the Edge review next month, I like their reviews the most
Except the 6/10 for Wuchang, it should have been a 7
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>>720722867
Steam reviews are all that matter, and shitsong can barely break 80% after all the glazing and hype.
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>>720723314
It's over 90% in non-insectoid languages.
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>>720723661
You mean the same language as IGN?
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>>720723314
>Steam

Why would I care about an inferior platform's userbase's opinions?
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>>720723314
>chinese "people" review bombing because of a trannylator
Nobody cares.
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>>720722553
when you mod 2 health dmg away its actually short game
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Silksong is one of the worst games I've ever played. Literally like 1/10. and I really liked Hollow Knight and went into it in good faith wanting to like Silksong, I've been looking forward to this game. I decided to try another metroidvania instead and tried Metroid Zero Mission because I was itching for a metroidvania and it's about 1000 times more fun and atmospheric.

It's like they took anything slightly bad about hollow knight and made it worse, and took out everything that made it good.

Also I read a lot of the negative chinese/japanese reviews about this game, no one is mentioning translation issues at all, they just don't like the game because it's poorly designed.

Pic related, translated japanese review

I swear western audiences were so desperate for at least something to release that isn't a broken, incomplete buggy piece of shit that they are resorting to attacking anyone that speaks against Silksong.
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>>720722045
It's no Donkey Kong Bananza
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>>720722045
WHOREnet confirmed to have slept around
Enjoy your slut protag, cucks
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>>720724408
There's nothing wrong with being a cock loving slut.
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silksong is the worst game ever made. It actually makes me sick how bad this piece of shit actually is. It should go down in history as the biggest piece of shit work of any type of media ever produced. I HATE SILKSONG.
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>muh heckin cute singing
So many NPCs so far are made to be likable just because they sing a little
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>>720724197
I'm not going to read all that
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>>720723050
You just described the side of the journalists though?
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>>720724197
not reading that
mald and cope
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>>720722362
thats because (You) suck, anon.

personally I like finding powerful upgrades, whole fucking areas and cool boss fights behind little hidden cubbies. Sometimes youre just exploring and then you find a game changing ability. Kino
of course, sometimes little tykes like yourself struggle with basic platforming. Pic related is for you.
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The game is boring as shit. The areas are difficult but not engaging. A good area makes you feel like you're accomplishing something, like how you descend into Blighttown through tons of retard enemies and platforming to hit a swamp at the bottom of the world. Bilewater by comparison is just walking through extremely similar corridors until you reach a boss. The bosses themselves are too easy, Hornet is too powerful for these HK1 tier bosses. Overall, a disappointment.
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>>720725114
>>720725398
>LA LA LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU SILKSONG IS GOTY
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>>720725339
This did not age well.
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>>720723314
>filter out chinese
>90%+
weird, that.

well, hey maybe those chinks have a point, lets read
>translation
>translation
>translation
>translation
nope, all pointless nothing to do with the game issues.
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>>720725585
You can translate the chinese game reviews. No one is mentioning translation. They hate this game because it's just bad.
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>>720722045
It's not. It's a great, polish game. Control and everything feel very good.
But there are bad designe choices to pretend game to "being hard". It's not hard, It's annyoing and time wasting stuff. We deal with such trash designe around 2010. Why would you go back?
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>>720724197
what is it with bad players being so incapable with their own skill issues that they HAVE to just invent issues with the game?
>i-i-it just FEELS bad
tier of cope.
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>>720725716
>They hate this game because theyre just bad.
so, just like /v/ then.
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>>720725818
Ok tell me what I should have done. I was walking around exploring near the early game in a new area. I bought a map and then kept exploring further and ran into a bench, and because I bought a map, I couldn't use the bench. So I kept exploring and in a random corridor, it actually turned out to be a boss fight and the entrance sealed off. There was no visual indication that the area would be a boss fight. By design none of the bosses in this game can be defeated first try you are meant to memorize the moves and use tools deliberately, but I never had a chance to do that. So I die and have to go walking around again through no fault of my own. How is that good game design?
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>>720725502
>exploring slab
>see a bit of ceiling that looks weird
>jump off the edge of an open chest to get up there
>first fucking sinner
What a ride.
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>>720725818
Difficulty isnt even in the top 5 issues with this game behind a total lack of rewards, boring areas not as memorable as the first game, lackluster bosses that dont match up to the best bosses of HK1, the first game being completely plot irrelevant until the very end of the game and the new colored charm system being inferior to the first game's freeform customization.
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>>720722045
Masterpiece is an overused word. Anything remotely good is somehow a "masterpiece" nowadays
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>Enemy that spews projectiles at you while trying to reach another area, clearly meant to be a nod to the dragon on the bridge from DS1
>Try to kill it hoping for a cool reward like you had with the Drake Sword
>Kill it
>140 shards
They are so stingy in this game its unreal
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Team cherry have spent the last 8 years huffing their own farts, that's the problem with this game. They think people will endure endless bullshit just to get a whiff of the next crappy same looking area or lame plot. Fuck that I'm quitting the game.
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>>720726019
>I was walking around exploring near the early game in a new area. I bought a map and then kept exploring further and ran into a bench, and because I bought a map, I couldn't use the bench. So I kept exploring and in a random corridor,
seems fine so far, if you were desperate you couldve gone back, or, broke a rosary chain for it.
>it actually turned out to be a boss fight and the entrance sealed off. There was no visual indication that the area would be a boss fight.
sounds BS, every boss in the early game are in pretty obvious "this looks like trouble" rooms
>By design none of the bosses in this game can be defeated first try
thats evidently not true, based on all the people who beat them first try, myself included. I died, IIRC, to my first boss was moorwing which was my own fault.
>you are meant to memorize the moves and use tools deliberately,
You realise you can play slow, and watch, carefully fighting the boss while cautiously waiting for it to attack, you dont HAVE to go gungho right away
>but I never had a chance to do that.
you literally did...
>So I die and have to go walking around again through no fault of my own.
it is LITERALLY your fault, anon, you control the buttons you press.
if you were without bench then thats all the more reason to be careful and stop panic playing the game.
Theres no real reason you HAD to die to an early game boss, theyre all very simple, easy to avoid by just bouncing over, watching what attacks they do and THEN going on the offensive when youre comfy
either way it only takes 8-9 hits (depending on if you found the silk regen) early game to be able to heal THREE hp back, so, I dont know what your (skill) issue was but come on now

what do YOU want instead? a pat on the back, a there there from the game as it lets you kill the boss in one hit?
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It's a 5/10, but mainstream journos don't dare say it.
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>>720725502
>powerful upgrades
in an actual Metroidvania, you find powerful upgrades. Here you find a "weapon upgrade" that changes a flying enemy go from dying in 6 hits to dying in 6 hits.
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>>720726623
youre being disengenuous, or havent played the game.
I shant be interacting with you anymore, since you are incapable of being honest.
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>OoT dethroned
Kek you fags will say anything and now look at you. 9/10 LOL
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>>720724197
>I'm bad at the game and instead of exploring and coming back later, I'll bitch about it instead. I totally played the first game btw
You can tell when someone hasn't played the first when they complain about runbacks in this game. You would not complain about runbacks if you did the Mantis lords or Hive knight runback
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>>720722045
>enemies don't give enough shards.
>2 masks contact damage when the boss' attack only does 1
>2 masks environment damage
>flying niggers with military-grade tracking in boss runback
Fix these shit and I'll give it a 8-8.5/10
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>>720726623
>Find silk skills that one shot every flying enemy
>Find new crests that change the way you play and are all powerful in their own way
>Find new tools that have their own scenarios where they're extremely powerful
I know you're shitposting but just in case, do you guys not use what the game gives you? I see a ton of people complaining about flying enemies in this game and I don't know how considering you get plenty of ranged projectiles in the game and they all die to the very first silk skill you get
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>>720726691
no seriously, the first nail upgrade I found changed absolutely nothing about the most common enemy I was currently fighting. I tested it with an earlier spare save I made to see if I wasn't going insane.
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>>720726869
>dude just use these extremely scares resources the game never gives you enough of on the most common enemy type in the game which re spawns off screen
lmao
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>>720722362
Stop including chink reviews retard. There are tons of exploration rewards, especially later on
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>>720726889
which one?
and why would you ignore
>complete new moveset for attacks
>new charms
>upgrades to your charms capacity
>new tools
>new movement abilities
y'know, things that massively change your gameplay found as early as a few hours in.
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>>720722045
fotm slop
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>>720723314
its funny that it really is still THIS easy to bait people
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>>720726945
>Getting 4 silk is scarce
>You can have 3 different crests by the time you get to bellhart
>Shards are never an issue for tools unless you're a retard who uses them for every single enemy
Really reminds me of how people refused to use soul for spells in the first game because "BRO I NEED IT FOR HEALS!"
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>>720726440
except there isn't any way to farm rosaries or power up without exploring so i basically don't have a choice except to walk into some random bs trap and die.
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>>720724197
Why do you fucking retarded freaks act like the Japanese are some kind of perfect flawless beings and we simply HAVE to agree with everything they say. According to Japs the best games ever are fucking mobile gacha slop, should we start being more like them?
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>>720726945
>scares materials
the dart only costs 3 shards to throw, ONE enemy in the early game drops 3 shards...
the silk spell one shots them for 3 or 4 hits worth of attacks if you got the regen ugrade or not.
stop lying
>re spawns off screen
why would you keep going back to the one screen?
even so, git gud and use melee? Nothing is as hard as youre making out, I didnt feel the need for tools until Act 2 at the earliest.
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>>720724347
Is way better than that shit eating chimp game
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>>720727187
you really lack the skill for this game, just put it down. its not for you.

>you can get rosaries off of infinitely respawning enemies as early as the 1st major area
>you didnt have to trigger a trap
>even so, you didnt have to die to it afterwards
>you didnt have to push forwards, you can back off and try again
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>>720727273
It wasn't just japanese players, but chinese players as well. It's more just the fact that they aren't so invested in shilling for this game which westerners seem to cultishly do, and also they have a culture of giving more fair reviews rather than just glazing everything.
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>>720726223
Rewards? In a game? The exploration and the fights itself are the rewards.
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>>720727375
I'm fine with hard games but it just has to be fair. I've beaten games much harder than silksong, like getting all gold medals in super mario wii u challenge mode (if you haven't played it you won't understand how much harder than anything in silksong that is, I can beat silksong it's just tedious) The enemies don't just respawn instantly and the game discourages you from farming like that, it's not the intended way of playing the game, you are supposed to explore but then the game doesn't want you to do that either and you die unavoidable deaths because the game developers huffed their farts too much to understand how to balance a game.
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why do you care about reviews
are you not capable of forming your own opinions and deciding whether you like a game or not?
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>>720725795
>It's not. It's a great, polish game
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>>720726440
> Boss in a corridor, in an early game area with a paid bench
He died to sister splinter and complained about the boss being impossible to first try
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>>720726730
Those two are optional bosses. Plus by the time you get there you have access to the Dreamgate which nullifies runbacks.
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>>720727147
It’s like people forgot this place has always been one giant dopamine farm for baiters. You drop a mildly contrarian take and within five minutes there’s a faction war in the replies. Half of these dudes have been seething since the demo leak and will jump on anything to vent, doesn’t even matter if it makes sense. Give it another week and they’ll be saying Mosskin’s Dust is actually peak boss design or some other backwards shit.
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>>720727953
actually it was some random enemy rush in deep docks
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i legit don't understand how silksong of all games is evil for being too hard on the same planet that fuckin sekiro got universal acclaim. that game is like 10x as hard.
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>>720727548
the fights are enjoyable but fuck me if i fight, die, and practice a boss to get absolutely fucking nothing for the effort. hk had much better rewards for boss fights.
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>>720728193
Sekiro isn't a platformer
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>>720727980
maybe for hive knight, but mantis lords are an early game boss. they're right below the wall jump item necessary to beat the game
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the games like a 7/10
artstyle is excellent
traversing the world is better thanks to better moveset (but still shitty compared to actual platformers) and better connected fast travel system, but less rewarding because so often its just 6 rosaries
difficulty is fine
moving through the map for the story is a lot more linear and areas still have the same repetitive flow of one linear path to the areas main draw (boss or upgrade) with one or two offshoots for connections and then a bunch of dead ends with shitty rewards
gameplay suffers massively because of story autism (money ditribution, the entirety of act 3)
story/lore is much more bland but personally i dont really care a ton about story
runbacks arent as bad as people made out but are still tedious
so many fucking fetch quests
shards system has no reason to exist
so many small QoL issues that should have been caught in 7 fucking years (slidy rosaries, input issues like counterintuitive SE and SW detection for pogos and the double jump/float bullshit)
act 3 is a fucking disaster. extremely clear that they started with "how can we do the void so it gets more lore and reddit can soiface at the knight" and shoehorned a story working backwards from there
bosses are a huge step down compared to hollow knight

my second point about traversal actually helps a lot for the minute to minute enjoyment of the game compared to hk, but all the other steps back really add up
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>>720728445
I want to find the 8 niggers who playtested this shit and ask what the fuck they were doing
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>>720728193
I don't really care about difficulty but I found Sekiro to be much less frustrating than Silksong. I got all the Sekiro endings and beat Demon of Hatred but the Bilewater runback just made me quietly put down the game and not pick it back up.
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funny to think casuls waited long time for game they cant even finish
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>>720728625
>find the secret bench
>run past the maggot ninjas
>go to the top room to get silkwebs and clear the maggots
>free heal from cocoon
It's not as terrible as people make it out to be, but I agree it's still annoying to do. The adds are also just pogo check
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>>720728619
Probably deepthroating Team Cherry for 8 years, you know the kind of guys that can't criticize anything because somehow, it would be like them admitting the game is bad.
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>>720728619
the 2019 trailer was probably something of a vertical slice but we can see from it that the game was already in a somewhat complete state. that, combined with their reasoning for all the delays being "we were just having so much fun tweaking and adding and finetuning" literally means the game should have 6 years of polish

which is what makes the state of it so baffling. if it had come out 2 years after hk id be forgiving but how the fuck are there so many little QA issues when they had so long to catch them? why do areas like the coral, volt, and wisp thicket zones feel so half assed and rushed? im genuinely convinced atp that they just sat around and jerked off for 6 years
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this is a dishonest difficulty
i dont really have a lot of gripes, but the arena mode in this game feels like they hire the laziest game designer, and this is his vision of "difficult"
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>>720726730
I never had an issue with hollow knight "runbacks" (which isn't even a traditional metroidvania game design element they just shoved that into silksong from soulslike games) and beat almost every boss in that game on my first try. silksong just makes it depressing and gay.
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>>720727712
>unavoidable deaths
NTA but I've died many deaths in this game so far, and not a single one of them was unavoidable.
From reading your discussion it's painfully obvious you're just bad at the game. I think you really should go back to Mr. Mario's Happy Bouncy Time. Seems more up your alley.
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>>720728902
this shit is so bizarre. people cant admit the game is good but flawed. it has to be a perfect masterpiece. ive literally seen multiple videos by different people saying "i love the game, i think its the greatest game ever made, BUT, [glaring issue that would obviously preclude it from the title of greatest game ever made]. i dont mind that though"

these people have spent the past 7 years making hk and the anticipation for silksong their entire gaming personality. admitting its flawed after waiting this long would mean admitting to themselves that they wasted their time being so devoted to something thats merely "pretty good"
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>>720729208
Silksong isn't even that hard it's just very tedious and grindy. Mario u challenge mode is much harder than any boss in this game. If you beat Screwtop It Up you would understand what real not artificial difficulty means.
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>>720728445
>bosses are a huge step down compared to hollow knight
this is so sadly true
i want to like the bosses because most of them have great designs but there's only a handful that are FUN to play against
>karmelita
>cogwork/clover dancers
>first sinner
>tormented trobbio
>phantom
>lace 2
lone conchfly would make it if the ricocheting projectile wasn't fast as fuck to be basically undodgeable except by luck
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>>720726223
I honestly don't get what you're talking about, the game showers you with fun crests and tools to play with all the time as rewards for battling and exploring
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>>720729092
Anon, you have three different ways to make that arena easier, I'm not sure of how great they are, as I discovered them only after clearing it.
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>>720729518
Shakra stomps.
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Locked out of Garmond and Zaza duel because they're just sitting in Songclave. They just don't appear in area to the right of Songclave. Yes I know the journal entry doesn't count towards 100%. Still mad. No reason for this fight to become inaccessible before act 3
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>>720728840
It wasn't just Bilewater, but also stuff like the Last Judge and Sands of Karak runbacks. All three of these can be made better if you know how to optimize them but if the only advice that can be given is finding a way to make it as short and painless as possible then Team Cherry should've just not had the runbacks in the first place or something. At least that's my take on the situation.

I feel that if I went back to the game at this point I'd have such a grudge that I wouldn't be able to properly enjoy myself like I was doing up until Last Judge, which is when I started getting this feeling of dissatisfaction with everything.

The whole difficulty conversation I feel is just a stupid talking point because whatever most people are upset about is a collection of various mechanics that they don't enjoy. It isn't productive to blame "difficulty" just as much as the "skill issue" line helps no one. It's perfectly fine for some people to be okay with the runbacks or 2 damage everywhere and others to not be. I think people just get caught up in "objective quality" or otherwise people gushing about/shitting on a game that they hate/love respectively, and making wild overcorrecting statements out of irritation. This is especially the case with people who don't like the game since they're likely already upset about the game itself.
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>>720722045
All awards just seem like the opinion of some nigger on some forum that nobody visits on some blog that nobody reads
Nobody cares
It does nothing for your experience of the game
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>>720729210
Anon, the "I love X" disclaimers before criticizing anything are an unfortunate reality everywhere, not just this particular game. You can't blame people for being overly cautious and trying not to incite a storm of dislikes when their whole career depends on being liked.
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>>720729473
honestly i dont know if id include lace, but otherwise i agree. GMS would be good if she were anywhere other than a final boss, and i like fourth chorus, hes just held bac by essentially tutorial boss status.

and even on the "good" list, theres nothing that comes close to HK's peak bosses
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>>720722362
>when the retard that didn't play the game realizes the spot with "no rewards" was actually the end of a shortcut
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>>720729701
You dont like when some video games puts IGN Brazil 9/10 in their description like its the most important thing that will clearly increase sales?
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it's a fun little metroidvania game but let's be real here
e33 is a better crafted game
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>>720729725
yeah, but theres "i love X" and theres "X is literally a flawless masterpiece i love it so much its literally the greatest of all time it has no flaws. anyway heres where i think its flaws are"
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Is there really no ending for those who tried beating act 3 with the parasite ?
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>>720728393
Oh that one. I don't remember that being hard. I beat the Mantis Lord on my first try.
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>>720729473
>undodgeable except by luck
Just hit it and count to 4. You don't even need to move from your spot sometimes
>>720729668
Yeah, this game has to be either perfect or the worst ever with no middle ground. Wth a few tweaks, this would've been a solid 8/10
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>>720725716
This nigger is so mad at something for being popular he's defending chinks
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>>720722045
Where the fuck do i find the surgeon's key!
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>>720727548
/v/ must love nu-Zelda then. Wait...
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>>720729908
yeah unfortunately being made by white people isn't enough for me to praise a game it has to actually be good. Shouldn't be so hard for the master race.
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>>720729929
idk I just randomly had it
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>>720729842
Mantis lords without the first nail upgrade is an absolute slog. While I hate to compare the two, it's unravelled levels of HP bloat. It's interesting that "leave and come back later when you're stronger" was acceptable back then, but people piss and shit over that now.
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>>720729783
It wouldn't even enter my conscious perception
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>good discussion threads get deleted
>Now only bait threads stay up
What a shithole of a website
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Hey anon, want some lifeblood? It's really good for you...
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>>720722867
No a 10/10 lik DK.
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>>720729929
its in whiteward, iirc theres a hole in the ceiling somewhere but i dont remember where
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Phantom was pretty kino.
>see ghost in the Mist
>immideadly spam electric balls
Those balls are pretty strong and I like how they have two different modes. More tools should have similar function
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>>720722045
Overall it's like a 4/10
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>>720729929
>>720730057
It's on the right side of the area.
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>>720730030
Wait can't you just use bait thread for discussion?
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Do people really think the runbacks are that bad? They all take less than 30 seconds. I didn't see people complaining about runbacks in any other game but I see it ad nauseam here
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>>720730142
>>720730057
Is it in the room with the scissor niggas?
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Are people actually talking about the game in this thread?
What crest do you prefer?
I haven't been looking online to see what consensus people have
So far I like Reaper best
Just beat the Last Judge last night
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>>720730181
>Do people really think the runbacks are that bad?
I think some of them are really bad. They're inconsistent. Some bossfights have bench 10 meters away but some have none. It's like game was in development hell and map was redesigned thousand times. Oh wait...
It's also pretty evident they didn't test the game at all. Look at how they patched float/double jump issue.
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>>720730215
If I remember correctly, it's the room above them. There's a shaft of light and the actual passage is in the ceiling obscured by some cloth or some shit.
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>>720730018
what are you saying nigga
when i was going for the achievements i did mantis lords asap for the rewards galore. they aren't bloated at all. it was possible to kill them in 2-3 minutes with an old nail
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>>720730030
just use vg like a normal person anon
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>>720729798
E33 is worse in every way except music
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>>720730307
I like the witch moveset.
I absolutely despise what it does to the heal.
Otherwise I am just sticking with hunter.
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>>720730373
They patched the float/double jump because redditors were complaining when it clearly told you that it has different inputs for what you wanted to use
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>>720729829
W-what did you want to do with Lace
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>>720723050
Anon, you're not a victim.
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>>720730181
I remember people talking about the runback to the frog fight. What people don't understand is that they can use the last stage of the runback to hit the fat mosquitoes till they are fully healed, remove the worms if they fell on the way there. It's also a very good platforming stage, I don't know why people hate these.

>>720730307
I use Reaper too. Wanderer having 1 red slot is an instant no-no, Hunter is acceptable but you have to learn the pogo with that, and Architect is a meme. Reaper has drawbacks with the slower attacks and terrible jump upward attack, but the silk regen balls you get after healing makes up for it and helps you stay more active in the fight with your skills.
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>>720730307
Hunter for the most part. It's just a solid all rounder that doesn't have any shortcomings. And it's really satisfying to pull off aerial combat with the dive pogo.
But for really tight, annoying platforming I do still switch to wanderer.
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>>720730307
reaper for 99% of the game
shaman for second sentinel and the last boss
personally i don' think the ground healing is that bad but i really don't like the fact it only has like 2 charm slots
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>>720730481
>because redditors were complaining
Unpatch the game and play with original input.
It was awful.
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>>720730307
Shaman because Pale Nails is really fucking good. I used Witch until that point
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>>720730181
I'd say the biggest issue with the runbacks is that much of the areas in Silksong are designed to be obstacle courses first and foremost. The runbacks don't really capture the imagination. They aren't difficult enough to be part of the challenge on repeat go-throughs and due to Hornet's increased mobility you just run past everything rather than actually taking in the atmosphere. It creates this feeling in the mind that there's no reason behind them, that for all intents and purposes the game could've just respawned the player outside the boss room because nothing is being gained for the 30 seconds lost doing the runback.
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>>720730687
It wasn't. I beat the game before the patch came out and I never had issues with it. People just needed to clean up their inputs but it's far easier to complain that it is to fix it yourself
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>>720729617
>>720729518
fuck i dont know about that, i never use guide for my 1st playthrough
but yeah, i think the game is good, but not GOTY material. but definitely one of the best indie game/platformer this year
>>720730181
some feels kinda ass like bilewater, even with the "secret bench"
i like the last judge tho, and optimizing your runbacks feels great sometimes. i think phantom runbacks should be the standard, probably make it harder but not longer. sometimes more is less
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>>720730431
Nigger, it takes over 100 hits with the unupgraded nail to beat them.
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I watched some Speedrun McGee reach Greymoor in under 20 minutes and I was dumbfounded by how far skill and reluctance to explore can take you in this game.
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Not being able to float instantly when you have double jump is such a dogshit design choice
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>>720730796
>I never had issues with it.
I don't believe you.
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Rune Rage is trash, prove me wrong
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>>720730907
>You didn't have issue when I did? You must be lying!
Everytime. You fags can't do it yourself so obviously everyone who can must be lying
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>>720728902
Anon, you're not a victim. Stop spamming cp because the game was a success
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>>720722045
Yes. It's great but I have some issues with it:
>too much content
There's too much stuff in the game, it's overwhelming and confusing.
>no multiplayer
Feels like Pharloom would be a perfect place to explore with your friends!
>no liveservice content
Once the game is over, it is over. There is no promise of new scheduled content so there is no reason to return to Silksong.
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>>720730481
I only remember having trouble with that override during the father of the flame fight.
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>>720722045
The most shameless paid reviews of the year, that's for sure. None of the reviewers talk about the actual fucking game.
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>>720731073
why does this image gives me an instant boner
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>>720723050
>communist mob doxes
Cancel culture is based and redpilled. Didn't you get the memo?
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>>720730989
I always lie on /v/.
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>>720730982
It's situational, like most Silk skills.
Trash against bosses and fast enemies because they can just move out of the way
Excellent against slow enemies or gauntlet because the DPS scale based on how many mobs are on the screen
I don't use it much (too slow for my tastes) but I can see the appeal
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>>720731139
kamala lost, resetard
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>>720730307
I tried:
Reaper
Architect
Wanderer
Hunter
I did not try:
Witch
Shaman
Beast

I settled on Hunter, because I like that it's pogo is fast and angular (I don't want to default to old pogo) and that it has the highest theoretical power (when you never get hit).
My second pick would by Reaper, it's probably the most noob-friendly pick.
I didn't play Architect with the lifeblood trick, but I thought it was neat anyway.
Wanderer seemed meh, because you're not using it's attack speed advantage in many situations. But it's probably also very good once you know the bosses well.
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>>720723661
>just ignore this chunk of the market that paid for the game bro
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>>720731194
>Just walk back to a paid bench every time you enter a new room
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>>720731271
Capitalism sucks
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If World of Warcraft launched today gamers would literally go extinct in the face of a true bad runback.
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I like the game, but having repeating throwaway bosses like Beastfly, skarrgard or moss mothers is so lazy
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>>720731242
Nice pivot, faggot. No spine, no principles.
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hornet used goods
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>>720723964
playing on the new patch already feels like an easy mode mod
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>>720731360
Hollow knight had repeatable throwaway bosses btw
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>>720731360
>repeating
I think you only fight those twice or thrice if you count the non-bossfight with void Mossmother
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>>720722045
>not bad at games so its a 10/10
Ngl its a pretty good feeling
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>>720731286
>Just adapt your build to the challenges you're facing
...yes?
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>>720731434
I know, that doesn't make it good design in either game.
If anything they have even fewer reasons to do it in Silksong since it took so long to release.
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>>720731247
Yea I've been making heavy use of the tools with the poison charm on bosses, since it allows damage while I am focusing on dodging mechanics
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Did any speedtrannies tried to do Beast only run? Is this even possible?
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>>720728293
tell that to me who spent the whole game hiding on to of things because the enemies on the ground were too strong
>>720728625
i think you're forgetting how bullshit sekiro was. most of the early bosses are not in arenas but rather in camps filled with enemies that you have to clear. if you die too much everyone in the world gets aids and you can't use vendors and get some quests. in silksong you can sprint faster than any enemy and just jump over their heads.
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Is the silk skills power up really noticeable with the shaman's crest?
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>>720731507
>doesn't make it good design
It's good design. Staple of the genre. They're not big bosses.
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I wish there were more tools that interact with your other tools like polip pouch
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I always see a lot of people complaining they die to the bells in Widow's boss fight and I have to wonder: Do they not know you can hit every projectile in the game and just nullify it?
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>>720730307
I use Hunter 99% of the time, Architect for funsies, and I used Wanderer exactly twice, both times for platforming reasons
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>>720729467
>Tendie gets filtered by a video game not aimed at 6-year-olds
What a surprise
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Can you cheese the courier quests by quitting out to menu?
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I don't take criticism toward silksong unless it's backed up by specific examples.
And I judge the criticism based on the quality of the examples.
If someone is complaining about runbacks, and their example is the Last Judge, I ignore their retarded ass.
If someone is complaining about runbacks, and their example is the bilewater boss, I accept the criticism.
>inb4 fake critics use my example
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>>720731360
>skarrgard
>boss
??
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how do i get the upgrade for the pokedex to see what im missing?
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>>720731932
Act 3
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>>720730307
Wanderer ended up mogging everything. I initially believed reaper would be my companion but i just got so mad and reverted to basic hollow knight gameplay, the short reach wasn't a problem at all. I first/two timed every boss fight after I switched to wanderer and stuck with it. And once I found the longnail upgrade I vocally exclaimed "we are so back", it felt like cheesing. I absolutely hated the rare sections where the game would force you to use the hunter crest or when you were locked out of your moveset when finding a new one. Seriously fuck that troon shit
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there should be more criticisms toward the map instead of this difficulty meme
whiteward and wisp thicket are both clearly undercooked
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>>720731951
yes, but where/when in act 3?
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>>720731657
this is good with shaman crest
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>>720731817
You would get filtered hard by Don't Touch Anything
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>>720731973
i also think act 3 is the weakest among three despite having some of the very good boss fights
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>>720732008
The Abyss
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>>720731839
>Last Judge
This one is bad not because it's hard or anything, it's bad because it makes you waste a minute of your life for no reason at all.
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>>720732008
i think it was in the weaver building in the abyss
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>>720731973
This. Whiteward should've been bigger and the wormways area much shorter
Bilewater was peak, definitely the best area of the game with the citadel
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>>720731973
True.
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>>720732169
oh is it the farsight item? i grabbed that, i thought it was just for completion percentage
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>>720732256
it puts empty notches in your menus so you know that you're missing a tool or journal entry etc.
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>taunt button
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>>720731973
white ward was fine, I agree with wisp thicket
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>>720732386
ah, cool. thanks anon
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can't wait for the silksong randomizer
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>>720731973
>>720732185
the electric anemone stuff felt very underbaked too
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>>720732158
Aminute? a fucking MINUTE? sixty whole SECONDS?
WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU PLAYING VIDEOGAMES IF 60 FUCKING SECONDS IS WASTING YOUR TIME YOU FUCKING DISINGENUOUS RAGEBAIT ADDICTED FAGGOTRINO
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>>720723314
Any review that mentions difficulty should have their opinion immediately disqualified. All the whining is coming from soulsfaggots who stake their entire personality on being “good” at a “hardcore video game” and can’t fucking stand having their egos challenged. Take those reviews out and it would be 95% positive or more.

>oh but the runbacks!
>oh but the 2-health contact damage!
>oh but the tool usage cost!

Cry more, it’s funny to watch.
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So I can confirm the people claiming Eve's bonus are purely dependent on memory lockets used are wrong, I had Hunter, Beast and Wanderer, 3 lockets used on Wanderer, and all she gave me was the Hunter's upgrade, I grabed the Reaper's Crest, no additional lockets used and she gave me the vesticrest.
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>>720732558
>I love doing repetitive no fun tasks in videogames
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>>720731973
wisp thicket is barely even an area. I only found it very late into the game trying to get that flea.
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As a huge metroidvania fan, the following keeps it from being a GOAT tier metroidvania:
1. pacing, the difficulty is too hard at the start to ease into the game, and it's too easy once you get kitted out.
2. zones are less interesting than hollow knight, especially once you hit act 2/3 and everything is just a variation on "lol it's a hallway," or "lol it's a dusty service tunnel with cobwebs xD."
3. just less soul than the original regarding characters and bosses. Other than the short music playing girl, all of the characters are fucking bland.
4. the removal of charms was fucking retarded, the new system is worse
5. there is almost nothing to find in exploration, why do bosses not at least drop rosaries? There's nothing more fucking retarded than going out of your way and finding a bundle of shards or rosaries, that shit is like a giant middle finger


The game is great but it's not a GOAT imo. It certainly doesn't brush shoulders with rabi-ribi.
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>>720732403
>it doesn't work against pinstress
they forgot it existed
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Comfy bros...
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>>720732638
iirc its all crests and 15/20 lockets
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>>720731839
I wonder by what metric you use to judge the quality of an opinion. Disliking the runbacks for Last Judge and Bilewater are both just opinions that are capable of being contested by a basic contradiction. I'd say that art in general but especially interactive art like video games is about the subjective experience over any material objective analysis.
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Why does every enemy fly? This is dumb.
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>>720732158
lol, it does not take a minute even. You can run that shit in 20 seconds easy.
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>>720732008
obviously later than the part you're at now. seriously what kind of question is this? why are you asking this? if you haven't found it yet, then you haven't found it yet. keep playing.
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>>720732657
agree with all your criticisms. ive never played rabi ribi, should i? my favourite metroidvania is ori and the blind forest, which imo is pretty much flawless so long as you understand combat isnt really intended to be part of the game
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Who here finished the game with a pure, unwormed protagonist ?
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Anyone took alternative path to skip Judge blind in arc 1? Did you suffer in Mist or against Phantom?
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>>720731973
I don't know what the devs smoked to make the karmelita area accessible through far fields and not through hunter's march. The area had better music and it would've given players a good reason to revisit it because as it stands it has nothing except for the boomerang. Wasted potential
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>>720731973
whiteward was fine, it's an abandoned medical facility so there should be little to no enemies
wisp thicket was short but i don't want more of 2 damage unkillable homing enemies that also explode and aoe for a while
wormways felt the most rushed, they wanted a deepnest area with spooky creepy crawlies that jump at you in the dark but forgot to put things to do in it at least it gets brighter in act 3
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>>720732830
There should be an easy game mod that comes with an obligatory clown outfit.
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>>720732806
No. Instead of rabi-rabi play Tevi.
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>>720732558
there's good difficulty and bad difficulty. the difficulty in silksong is objectively bad.
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>>720732952
Only Kojimbo can deliver such kino
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>>720730307
wanderer crest.
>Good DPS and silk regen during boss stuns / transitions
>slots are perfect for one tool (why would you ever need more?), double heal, faster heal, speed boots, and one wildcard (probably longnail) while still letting you carry the compass and rosary magnet with the eva slots factored in at all times
>easiest pogo
The only issue is the reach making flying enemies even more annoying, potentially
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>>720733032
eat shit and have another vtuber skin
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>>720731817
this is way harder than any boss in either hollow knight or silksong btw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hb6tK6nuig
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This game could been so much better if they just included difficulty options.

Right now it's just
>bad players feeling dissatisfied with the difficulty
>good players feeling dissatisfied with the difficulty
>midwits jerking each other off about how they are so good at video games for beating a game that has no fucking difficulty setting

Like this fight had really cool idea but oh they just die in seconds (the first slowmo phase was literally 10 seconds), and it was my 2nd try. Now I have to walk 10 hours again to even be able to play it play it lmao.
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>>720732640
personally i just play well so i do most runbacks not at all or once.
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>>720733105
Why? Kojimbo put chicken hat for people playing easy mode in MGSV.
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>>720730307
I stuck with Hunter 95% of the time. I love the diagonal pogo
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>>720733146
No, they should have added more bosses as the current state of the game proves that they were just slacking
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>>720732972
they're both great but rabi ribi is a superior game imo.
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>>720733146
>This game could been so much better if they just included difficulty options.
This is some good bait.
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How much will the people who cut themselves over savage beast fly seethe when they have to fight groal?
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TODAY I WILL BEAT THE SAVAGE BEASTFLY
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>>720733146
meanwhile theres a redditor that dropped the game on this fight because he took 40 tries. to make an accessible difficulty for that retard, they would have to completely recode the fight to make the bots move slower, change the music so they move at the same time, reduce their hitbox upon dashing, lower the circle megaslash size. and code 2 damage to be one damage. and all this other retarded bullshit for one retard
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>>720733274
I feel like I'll be put on a list if I play it
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>>720726147
just had that experience yesterday
kino fight too
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>>720730307
I switched to a meme-y architect build the first chance I got. Charge attack hits like a truck and is ACTUALLY useful for a change. Stacked that with the tool that sets your needle on fire, longclaw and the poison for a gigantic, burning, poisonous drill.

Charge attacks giving no silk charge hurt though.
This game is full of questionable balance decisions. Whats the point in giving us a charge attack or a crest like witch if you're just going to give them debilitating drawbacks that nerf the playstyle into the dirt?
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>>720733232
Or you know.... just add difficulty setting so that the current bosses actually worth to something? And cut half of the world because holy shit 90%+ of the game is just walking around. The fact that you can just skip enemies in these games is so clowny too. It's like everyone is just pretending that they have to fight them, but every time they replay any zone they just skip them.
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>>720722045
There is no 10, its a myth
The gap between 9 and 10 is your own personal taste
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about to do this,is this the final boss?
or just something else that leads to it?
how muhc longer is the game? i kinda want to know as i didn't do the mist area and the swamp area next to it all too much.
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>>720733316
Nigger you don't even know how much worse it gets.
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>>720730307
Almost always hunter, it felt good, and I liked Hornet having a different moveset.
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>>720733049
>one tool (why would you ever need more?)
I like having the overheard boomerang one for annoying flying enemies and the spear one.
I guess I could just keep the boomerang if pressed
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>>720733321
They can literally just make the player take less damage and deal more, for easy difficulty. And do the opposite for hard. Games have done this for decades and it worked out just fine.
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>bring back his heart
>ruin my farming spot
I should've let this clanker rot away
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>>720732830
i accidentally skip moorwing, because i didnt know about the flea moving there
but imo, judge is a pretty fair fight
i pity the 2 bugs getting killed by him tho
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>>720732657
>just less soul than the original regarding characters and bosses. Other than the short music playing girl, all of the characters are fucking bland
then you praise rabi ribi of all things? really nigga
that game also has very shitty enemy variation and unmemorable world map
tevi is a better game
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>>720732806
Well Rabi-Ribi is much more of a boss and exploration oriented game. It's flawless in those two regards. It falls short on graphics and art design (heavily so for normies who don't like the deceptive H style). The map design and boss design are both 11/10 though. You are constantly finding meaningful power ups too, so there's a point to actually go off the beaten path.

here's an example of one of the fights to give you an impression of the style

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6xgRYxE44c
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>>720733415
You can do this without worry but to be safe clone your save
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>>720733310
Groal is all about patience, focus and learning to not fear the maggots when you need to dunk in the water to avoid his attacks.
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>>720733274
Rabi ribi feels like pure "game". There is no immersive world. The setting is aids plus it's yurishit. The dialogues are peak brainrot. Tevi is closer to HK or Ori experience.
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POSHANKA
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>>720733415
it's the final boss of act 2, act 3 has more
the game is 60-70 hours long for 100% completion
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GARAMA
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>>720733554
how do i clone my save?
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>>720732972
TEVI is to Rabi-Ribi what Silksong is to Hollow Knight
Better gameplay feel and moment to moment gameplay when exploring, harder maps and common mobs but meh boss design and music
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I just got beat act 3, hornet didn't say shaw one time. Game fucking sucks.
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Why is the Bilewater fighting room such ass. I mean, I don't think the devs could have tried to make a more anti-fun area. The run back is outrageous and boring even if you get the 2nd bench. Every enemy is a faggot flying piece of shit that stays out of your range at all times and floods the screen with danger so you can not make any moves or mistakes. Even with upgrades they take too many fucking hits to kill even the "weak" ones. Aids water that forces you to either play perfectly at every moment (impossible) or not be able to heal yourself.

The enter game is so viciously non-challenging. All the enemies are easy, bosses are easy, and so on. It's all the other shit you have to put up with that sucks the life out of the game. Run backs are tedious, not being able to heal is tedious, enemies that purposefully stay out of your range is tedious. The arena being too fucking small with hazards on 90% of all surfaces is tedious.

The entire game is a test of patience rather than skill. It's so weird coming from Hollow Knight which is fun and fair all the way through while SilkSong is a torture experience and not a game.
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>>720723314
>Steam reviews
You mean the glazer hivemind that praises anything hyped up as a big release and only ever complains on the occasion that the game is badly optimized? The same dicksuckers who try to clown award the "wrong" opinions away? These opinions matter less than journos and journo opinions have zero value
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>>720733786
BECAUSE LE GAME IS LE HARD XDDD
GUYS LOOK AT LE YOUTUBE AND HOLOOWKNIGHT YOUTUBERS DEY DO LE CHALLENGE RUNS XDDD ISNT IT FUN TO HAVE LE CHALLENGES AND FUCK THE PALYERD XDDD
HOW DO YOU DO FELLOW KIDS? DO YOU LIKE DARK SOULS? :DDDD
GUYS LE GAME IS LE HARD! EIC GAMING :DDDD
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so what's the logic of them releasing the game in the 2-damage state it was in, and then panic nerfing everything after redditors complain? they unironically just forgot to test the game with normal players, and expected everyone wants godthorne mode or whatever that is?
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THIS IS SO FUCKING REDDIT WHY DO I HAVE TO GO AROUND THE ENTIRE MAP FETCHING SHIT FOR THIS FAGGOT INSTEAD OF KILLING HIM AND TAKING THE SHIT RIGHT NOW?
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>>720733949
they did it to shit on casuals
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>>720729815
Yes, Youtubers nowadays have to walk on eggs and go above and beyond to not offend anybody. Same reason whenever anyone makes a tier list or something, the make sure to point out, "now keep in mind, this is just my opinion" etc. It's an unfortunate reality nowadays, but what's the solution?
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>>720733274
>>720733587
Pretty sure you are on a list the moment you add it to your cart
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>>720733949
There was no playtesting done whatsoever.
Devs played the game during development for years and thought more about gotcha moments and cancer areas that lead to memes and Reddit posts rather than balancing anything.
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>>720733310
I honestly died more to beastfly, but I was spoiled the secret bench, if I wasn't I probably would have been far more angry towards Groal.
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>>720734001
Edgylord
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>>720734001
Speaking of him I'm surprised the fat fuck he works for isn't a boss fight. It's honestly a little disappointing.
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>>720734001
Doesn't Hornet threaten multiple bugs that if they attempt to impede her that she'll fuck them up? I don't get why this guy gets a pass.
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God damn it, this took over an hour, genuinely thought it was beyond my skill level, but I somehow got into the flow and beat her. With no heals or charms. I even fumbled phase 1 and took damage, but somehow still won.

Whatever, the crest seems cool, no yellows but 3 blues, longest range with the speed on par with Hunter, downwards pogo. OP and meta? What's the catch here? Yellows are mostly trash and you get 1 slot anyway for the compass or the dice.
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>>720734001
Because Hornet is good guy.
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>>720733786
if it was so easy you surely didn't need to do that runback at all, maybe once max, right? I mean the bosses are so easy and non-challenging. VICIOUSLY so.
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>>720733786
I found the arena pretty easy after the first time, pogo the siltkins, jump and slash the tall ones.
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>>720734152
Because then she would just murder every merchant to get their items
The rudest thing he really does in the game is destroying door mechanism of that one very jewish guy in far fields.
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>>720734023
i would believe that, if it wasn't for
>panic nerfing everything
it's just that most of the game is full of bs that is unnerfable because of the way it's designed
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>>720733583
yeah, Groal is super easy, just fucking boring. I died trying to end it too quickly.
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>>720722045
Bilewater is testing me. Outside of the Halls Gauntlet everything else was manageable.
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>>720734129
yeah the achievement description made it sound like one, as well as the reveal of the gourmand
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>>720733321
How does anyone who can get to the dancers struggle with them? There's so much harder shit on the way to them.
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>>720734152
she's honorable
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What's the point of the dice?
Description is vague af
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>>720734181
the catch is the weird heal
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Can't wait to experience Bilewater myself. I bet anons exaggerating.
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>>720734001
>don't sit
>slay enemies in path
>take quest
>???
>profit
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>>720734301
there is a secret bench, do you want the map to it?
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>>720734239
>>720734358
Doesn't she attack the Knight despite him showing her zero aggression in their first encounter? I know the rematch is her testing your skills before the King's Crest but she really didn't have to jump him for no reason in the city.
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The entire shard system is so ass, whats the point of consuming shards if the tool is already limited by uses before before having to craft in a bench.
All it does is limit you while exploring and having to think thrice before using them in a boss- died? Too bad -100 shards for you.
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>>720734412
Gives you a chance of completely negating damage just like carefree song in Hollow Knight
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>>720722553
>one journalist and his manager decides about it
damn, really reflects the actual state
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>>720733949
The only meaningful nerf is all environmental damage is now 1 mask instead of 2, except for lava because the magma bell tool already exists to counter it.

Moorwing now has slightly less hp, but you genuinely won't notice.
Sister Splinter's minions now hit for 1 mask instead of 2 which actually makes sense as they're small flying enemies.
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>>720734412
Just use it.
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>>720734035
so you would rather choose those that have zero sense of awareness and spout their nonsense opinions in a very confident manner?
not sure why being humble is considered lame nowadays
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>>720734412
Best yellow in the game
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>>720734426
I hope you like maggots, re-spawning enemies and no benches
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>ZANZIIIBAAAAARRTTT
is he fr?
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>>720734471
she feeled bad about it and became less psycho
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>>720734490
I get the impression it's so that they had something for enemies to drop that wasn't rosaries to keep the player's supply low. Which is an ass decision in its own right but I digress.
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>>720734490
It's trash system don't think about it. Farm rosaries in Act 2 and buy shards
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>>720734442
I read about it in another thread. Gonna find it by myself. It's just the first area that feel genuinely hard venturing into too hard territory with shit capable of jumping at you from below to throw you into the poison.
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>>720724197
Do people really play a game and then not finish it?
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>>720734152
She's not a thief. In fact, one of the characters she's most hostile to is the thief. And she still doesn't steal from him.
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>>720734471
She feared he was one of the vessels who wanted to free the hollow knight (true), and thought he didn't have the power to stop the infection.
In Pharloom she mainly meets innocent bugs.
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>>720734490
Compromise for the tools being OP
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>>720731139
>Gunther Eagleman
This is an indian isn't it
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>>720734617
Just cheat engine, don't waste your time FARMING in a fricking metroidvania game.
You're here to explore, beat bosses, not farm shit.
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>>720734412
chance to not take damage, it's good, best item in slot
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>>720734412
carefree melody in hk, except it's only a 1/50 to 1/10 chance to proc unlike the 1/10 to 9/10 of carefree melody
presumably also increases crit chance for wanderer
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>>720734426
>I bet anons exaggerating.
They're not. At all.
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>>720726147
One of the best fights. Better fought needle only.
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>>720734490
Ask FromSoft why they did this in Sekiro, Team Cherry just blindly copied this mechanic along with the coin purse (rosary string) stuff.
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>>720734190
You just dont get it do you? You fundamentally don't understand it. It is easy to dodge all of the enemies moves separately and fight/kill them in a vacuum. The only reason it is challenging is because of the shit they put you through. The maggot water prevents you from healing, so you must play extremely cautiously or perfectly. Having tiny platforms that you must juggle between forces you to make choices like jump this way or that, but when you jump this way or that, the flying enemies are in your way with little control of what or where you can go. If you avoid one attack you're already in line with 2-3 other attacks that you can not avoid at all. If you do get hit you are more than likely taking 2 damage; good fucking luck if you already had low HP, have maggot debuff, or whatever else.

I mean I don't need to describe every aspect of it, you know exactly what I'm talking about. It isn't that the individual enemy or boss is the hard part, it's all tedious annoying shit that is what makes it not hard, not fun, and not a real challenge.

If I asked you to make a 4 tier cake, that might be pretty hard right? Even if you're an experienced baker. If I asked you to make a 4 tier cake while I throw glass all over the floor and shoot you with a gun, that isn't a challenge. It's just stupid. That's the entire silksong experience - stupidity, tedium.
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>>720734697
>Just cheat engine, don't waste your time FARMING in a fricking metroidvania game.
No. I enjoy killing mobs.
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>>720731825
No, it sets your spawn to Bellhart when you pick them up.
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>>720734001
>REEEEEEEEEEE
>WHY CANT I JUST KILL EVERY NPC AND DO WHATWVER I WANT REEEEEEE
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>>720722045
SS is such a bad name, imagine having a lithp and calling it thilk thong lmao
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>>720734665
>Make tools
>Give upgrades (damage AND amount) to said tools
>8 years after and they couldn't tone down the damage/amount, so they just made them use shiny rocks to craft that you never have enough
Shit design
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>>720733347
What drawback does witch have?
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>>720734572
And Team Cherry has the gall to say they don't browse the internet and don't know any memes. Can't be a coincidence.
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>>720730307
Reaper + Cogfly + Spike + poison for me.
Nyleth was fun, she was the last one I slain and now I'm trying to get everything before the grand finale
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>>720733321
there is an easy way to fix this
just make a buyable talisman that reduce incoming damage to 1
if you want to make it "journalist" mode, add a "reduce healing incantation" effect
steel soul aside, i dont think this game should have a difficulty setting tho, but 2 damage in normal mode can be pretty hard for new/young gamer
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>>720734809
what in the fuck is this image
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Is there any point to the liquid lacquer delivery besides rosaries?
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>>720734309
His dialogue too when you Needolin made it seem like he'd kill Mergwin and you'd fight him.
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>>720733949
They didn't even nerf the majority of it. Splinter sister's minions now do 1 instead of two and same for the worms and gears. They aren't going to just kill everything that does two damage because Hornet's heal is far better than the knights
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>>720734898
its needed for act 3
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>>720733865
>>720733912
shazam thoroughly lost
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>>720731414
New patch is out? Did they fix the boring crests?
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>>720734818
>listen up here chud, your character is only a heartless mass murderer against the predesignated ENEMY npcs, you can rape and murder them all you want but not the friendly npcs!
>those have heckin souls or something
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>>720734181
There is no catch. The heal is broken as fuck
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this shit is so fucking cancer
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>>720734889
Rare Ilberd
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>Matt Trobbiani
>as Trobbio
I can tell this is some high IQ individual
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Why is the Pinstress allowed to levitate out of range of my attacks? I was expecting a sword fight, not a teleport spam and kiting. Harpoon is essential for chasing down that wimpy bitch. Wish Hornet killed her ass.
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>>720734848
...The most gimped heal in the game?
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>>720734490
Because tools are broken as fuck. I don't understand how you run out of shards anyway when you get 400 for just walking through an area
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>>720734976
Underworks looms also do one mask now.
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>>720722045
SISTERS IM... IM SHAKING!!!
THIS CANT BE ANOTHER "HYPE GAME TURNS INTO 'IT'S JUST LE OKAY, IT'S YOUR FAULT FOR GETTING HYPED'" SITUATION NONONONONO IT CANT
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>>720734426
I'm doing it right now and it's easy (but I already got Wreath of Purity from the Ducts). Also, it's my last area and I'm pretty much maxed out on everything.
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>>720734996
liar
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>>720735074
what bro, you don't like it bobbing and weaving and reading your inputs?
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>>720735125
How is the heal gimped? It does an insane amount of damage along with having good range
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>>720734848
You lose your heal and it's replaced by a slow and short range life drain. Half the time you try to heal you're just going to take contact damage
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>>720735074
Bro, your cogflies?? They trivialize this shit.
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>>720735074
Literally just hit his bell back at him. But considering you somehow used all of your tools, you're probably just using them on every single enemy instead of when the situation calls for it
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>>720734848
dangerous heal that doesn't heal fully unless used on a healthy enemy
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>>720735020
All the enemies you kill are being puppeteered in a horrific state of unlife.
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>>720731139
he’s right cry, more tranny
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didn't beat the game
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>>720735257
>Just waste 20 shards every time one of these fucks appears on screen bro (theres at least 1 on every screen)
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>>720730859
And you hit twice every time they attack (on charge pogo land behind attack back) or two times at once (they both charge and you pogo) and if you soul blast (15 damage = 3 hits) it goes faster and you can even soul blast and hit both (30 damage = 6 hits).
It's such a nice fight, very in the flow trance stuff you won't even notice it's been two minutes once it's over.
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>>720729668
If you died at sands of karak at all you fucking suck. I only died at conchfly once and bodied it right after. It's also filled with shortcuts.
The Last judge runback only has easily avoidable enemies and mid platforming.
The only runback genuinely worth complaining about is bilewater's runback. The boss fucking sucks also. If you had any trouble with the former, you fucking suck.
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>>720734426
They are not exaggerating. It's pretty ass if you don't have Wreath of Purity.
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>>720734898
No.
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>>720734874
It was probably a suggestion from the voice actor. I can't imagine that they had a strict script for them on bug words to use. Everyone probably got their own things they were allowed to say to add a touch of personal impact.
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>>720735210
In a game where overlapping another dudes sprite hits you for double damage, I'd rather not have to proc my heal from all the way inside that dudes ass. Maybe I didnt give it a fair chance, but that range you're claiming? I just didnt see it.
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>>720735359
I don't give a shit if their ancestor was dogshit in hollow knight, I will use them in both game.
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>>720728625
I think this is the best way to put it. It's not that the game is retardedly hard but it is incredibly frustrating and punishing at times. Some of the runbacks and areas honestly just felt sadistic
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>>720731139
pretty big difference between trying to instigate violence against people just for having a different opinion from you and saying the word faggot 15 years ago
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>>720735365
The cogfly is a familiar, it follows you between rooms, just summon one or two and forget about it. They even have a cute sleeping animation if you sit on a bench with them out.
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>>720735359
>still have no craftmetal to make it
Remember bugs, never buy THIS DOGSHIT
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>>720735375
>I did it, therefore you cannot complain
this is who team cherry listens to
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>>720735257
haven't found whatever that is
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>>720730580
The frog fight fucking blows. The mandatory gauntlet is annoying and it barely telegraphs it's dive that hits for 2 damage. Also maggots. I didn't have too much trouble with it but if you start choking and can't get past it can definitely become incredibly frustrating.
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>>720735254
I have never taken contact damage from trying to use my heal on Witch. You need to be close but you're too close if you're touching enemies
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>>720735410
idk, a few threads back someone said words like eira and garama have meaning in the bug language
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>finish silksong
>go back to hollow knight to see how it compares
>most things feel so easy to beat compared to the shit I had to face in silksong
What a bizarre yet great feeling bros
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>>720735491
Theres legit no point to this trash when Dash already exists, it even has recovery frames if i remember correctly to make it extra garbage.
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>>720735503
>>720735580
I'm going to kms
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>>720735564
>Barely telegraphs
>Takes upto a full second to get into the water
Literally just dash away from him
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>>720735491
i just bought this one for collection, but isnt this kinda useless??
this is literally just back dash??
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awo
awoawo
AWOAWOAWOAWOAWOAWOAWOAWOAWOAWO
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>>720735491
I like using it to climb walls *scuttles*
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okay just beat them
>>720733415

it felt far too easy.
is this really the final boss? assume there are super bosses or challenges like the pantheon but this only took me 3 tries to beat, one of these being a dumb death.

did i get the bad ending? is there like a stronger version of it?
or like a real final boss?
this feels unsatisfying.
I mean i'm gonna explore and stuff but shit what a let down.
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>>720735635
HK is easy as shit except for NKG, path of pain and pantheon stuff
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>>720735635
Strange, right? With same level power-ups on HK1, you're a god who can one-shot everything.
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>>720735673
it's cute
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>>720735710
i think it's like an emergency dash back, it seems faster than the regular dash and longer.
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>>720735635
OG late game was comfy, the toolset for Hornet feels limited next to the charm system
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>>720733146
>good players feeling dissatisfied with the difficulty
I've not once heard someone they are sad because they felt it was too easy/short.
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>>720735635
>Hornet falls asleep after a while if you sit on your personal bed
There are so many cool touches to the bell home, you can buy a desk to view all lore trinkets without having to visit the collectors, you can buy a gramophone to play music etc
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>>720735740
>is this really the final boss?
no
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>>720735740
You're a little over halfway done with the game
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>>720735367
Soul master dies in less than half as many hits with the first nail upgrade, which most people get before him. And he has more opportunities to wail on him and can even get double tapped with vengeful spirit.
It is a good fight. But doing it with the base nail takes forever.
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>>720735803
Oops, didn't mean to reply to that that anon
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>>720735820
>>720735831

oh, that explains so much, so what do i do to get the rest of the game or the true ending and stuff? is it just talking to npcs and doing the side quests to unlock a better version?
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>>720735635
hollow knight enemies actually felt like regular enemies and not a miniboss fight
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do we really have to defend the charm system now? A thing that we complained about years ago?
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>>720735740
talk to some people and you'll find your way to a different ending
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Act 1 hidden rooms:
>they're everywhere, easily seen if you're paying attention, and they give you small but frequent rewards

Act 2 hidden rooms:
>have to smack every single wall trying to find them, they're hidden off extremely well, most of them require double jump, and 90% of the time they give you nothing but lead to massive areas (that contain nothing) and leave you wondering if you missed shit
this game peaked in act 1
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>>720735903
yeah, just keep playing the game.
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>>720735740
Do you really want to know?
do all the quests (of the delivery quests only do the one to bring the red meat), find all the fleas and then talk to the priest at the first shrine
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>>720735912
what are you on about, the HK charms system was good
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>>720735903
Do every single ""side"" quest in the entire game, no. Im not kidding.
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>>720735410
>>720735618
Sherma's song has some inconsistencies between happy and sad. So they don't treat it as a super precise thing.
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>>720735740
Basically you need to complete all noticeboard quests in all 3 settlements + all the flea stuff, then a special quest will appear and you fight this boss again then the game proceeds to the next act
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>>720735491
You had to have forgotten a piece somewhere. I'm guessing the one in the Marrow. Or the one you get from the chest in Deep Docks.
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>>720735210
If you use it on a weak or low-health enemy you won’t get healed for a full 3. If the enemy moves or gets pushed out of the multi-hit heal animation you also won’t get the full heal value even if they had enough health to leech. It also doesn’t give any sort of stagger on bosses like LL so if you manage to catch her in an opening sometimes you just take contact damage or eat an attack to the face in response because you’re already right up the boss’s ass. It’s bad for exploration too, since you have to engage enemies to heal instead of just backing off to find a safe spot, making it higher risk for often far less reward.

HOWEVER

I found it is GREAT at nuking rooms of trash enemies in gauntlets when paired with injector/multibinder/claw mirrors/warding bell. It makes the whole arena explode and can hit as many enemies as you can get inside the damage radius, so with good spacing you can wipe entire waves of enemies and just drain tank your way through. Super fun when you play it to its strengths, but it’s not my go-to for most of the game.
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>>720734052
I'm a seasoned weeb with 500 anime and 600 manga on my MAL list and I couldn't stomach rabi ribi. Feels very late night otaku anime ramen sodium overdose induced brain aneurysm game.
I played Akiba's Trip and felt less disgusted for some reason. I cannot explain it, but it irks me. Actually removed the game from my account (not a refund even though it was less than 2h, I consciously chose to pay a price regardless).
I'm sure it's good since people keep raving about it, but I'll never find out.
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>>720736032
it's probably the one in the big lake cave
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>pogo dive at enemy
>dive ends 1 millimetre from enemy
>contact damage

holy fucking shit fucking rape to death the retard that made this attack, old pogo was perfect
change for the sake of change
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>>720735909
I think what I'm realizing is they balanced this game around stuff you find in mid Act 2. I feel like the game is a lot more tolerable where I'm now after upgrades and getting more tools/crests. Act 1 just felt painful at times
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>>720735375
I actively stated in my post that I wasn't discussing difficulty. I disliked the Sands of Karak and Last Judge runbacks because they weren't fun, not because they were difficult. You're free to have enjoyed them, my opinion isn't impeding on your own.
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>>720736082
That was the easiest one to find for me. I had to go back for one of the others and wondered how I missed it.
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>>720735916
>>720735971
>>720735994
>>720735997
>>720736003
thanks, i'll probably looks up a guide cause there's some delicacies and fleas, i overlooked or went passed
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I'm about to give up on lace 2 electric boogaloo.

I just can't, she moves to fast and teleports into me for contact damage over and over again. I'm just tired. I can make it to phase 3 but then it's just too much movement right into me as I jump to avoid her and boom I'm dead (again).

I'm so tired, already slogged through the rest of it. Now I'm never going to platinum the game anyways because there's no way I could ever to a 5 fucking hour speedrun of this shit. Fucking bullshit speedrun trophies, fuck you team cherry.
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>>720732657
The little fella that plays music is described as a "he" when you have to find him during a quest
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>>720736032
I used one from act 1 to buy something from Forge Maiden. Didn't explore locked (key) zones yet
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>>720735929
yeah, exploration feels like shit in act 2
i hope things get better in act 3
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>>720731367
>defending democracy bad
I want Nazis to leave my board.
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>>720722045
Who the fuck cares, it's MY masterpiece and GOTY.
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>>720736072
sounds like you have brain damage, rabi ribi has less fan service than modern normie animes
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>>720735796
Because most gamers are vile and would rather just call others shitters instead of seeking proper challenge for themselves. Just look at the discussion around the game, it's like most people only play the game to prove their gamer cred or something...
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>>720735994
you don't need to find ALL the fleas.
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>>720736072
I have the words for you anon: rabi ribi is insincere
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>>720735860
Quirrel told me it would be tough and to head to City of Tears first so I said fuck it and went Mantis City anyway and did the fight on fifth try with base nail. It's not difficult. It's a cool fight and you get to enjoy it longer without upgrades.
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Last Judge is filtering me hard. I'm going to take a break before I break something else.
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>>720736252
But it's better if he does it NOW
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>>720735740
Congrat, now do every quests and get every fleas before you go back to the first bell.
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>>720736003
does the quest not appear otherwise?
that's kind of fucked
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>>720736195
>i hope things get better in act 3
>he doesn't know
what do you expect exactly? Because you know you will have to either check a guide or hit all walls of the game to find what you missed
unfortunately most of the bosses are trash in act 3 (some are good, but not more than 20%)

The game absolutely gives nothing to help you locate what you missed. It doesn't even tell you what are the requirements for the 100%. And there are barely a few new zones that you finish in 10mn (boss excluded).

The "grind" to get to act 3 will make you quit anyway.
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>>720736165
Learn to read the attacks. Everything is avoidable. Pay close attention to how she holds the needle. Prioritize simply dodging at first.
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>>720735020
do you get pissy about not being able to kill everything in legend of zelda?
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I kind of suck in general, so I'm probably going to die like, 15-20 times minimum to a boss before I defeat them, so the runbacks really try my patience. Particularly the bilewater runback where I had to navigate the lengthy obstacle course back from the 2nd bench and de-worm myself before facing the gauntlet/boss.

On the flip side I end up occasionally doing better/playing smarter (i.e. don't freak out and observe boss patterns, mind stunned contact damage) against a few bosses. Notably Moorwing and Last Judge.
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>>720722045
Still not topped by SOTN.
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>>720736327
Use the fire protection bell, lucky dice, and a little patience :)
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>>720736138
it wouldn't be as bad if everything didn't have bloated hp despite needle upgrades being few and far between, and in act 3 everything gets bloated further by void threads
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>>720736327
Put on the magma bell anon
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>>720735796
>>720736238
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>>720735491
It's a faster dash with no startup and allows moving back in after an attack very smoothly. Epitome of skedaddle like a stickbug, sting like a bee.
It requires time investment to get skilled at it but if you get used to it you won't ever take it off, shit's like a velvety nougat filling in the chocolate bar that is Hornet's base movement.
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>>720736327
His fight is literally about dashing forward for a couple of hits whenever he finishes a move.
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I refuse to believe anyone had fun beating lost lace.
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>>720722045
lol you know for damn sure this guy didn't finish the game, they just gave a high score to avoid criticism
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>>720736518
Did anyone try beating her with the parasite debuff ?
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>>720736476
>It's a faster dash with no startup
I never experienced a moment in this game where I can't dash because of "startup".
I think it's all an illusion. Unless someone will post dedicated video showing advantage of using this charm in normal gameplay.
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>>720735796
i don't mind challenging games, that doesn't mean every challenging game is perfect. this weird conflation of things is something i've only seen surrounding this game (and possibly dark souls when it was new). it's just as obnoxious as people who are obsessed with hot food.
>i'm not a big fan of super spicy food desu
>LMAO WHAT ARE YOU A BABY? CAN'T HANDLE A LITTLE SPICE? IF YOU DON'T LIKE GHOST PEPPERS YOU MIGHT AS WELL JUST EAT BABY FOOD FOR THE REST OF YOUR LIFE PATHETIC WHITE BOY
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>Zonzibart... forgive me
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>>720736518
I refuse to believe you really believe that
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>>720722045
what the fuck did I just free in the high halls?
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How the fuck do I open the door at Pilgrim's rest?
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>>720736797
you killed all the annoying ass spider dudes that steal your silk
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>>720736505
she has giant bug tits
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>>720736231
Possible. I only watch like 2 or 3 shows per season these days and often rewatch classics I liked, if it's idolshit or gacha adaptions or isekai or bing chiling or yurishit or yaoishit it's fucking out by default, so I'm spared a lot of brainrot basically.
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>>720736797
>1 tool
why?
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>>720736826
wait how do you do this
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>>720736814
there's a secret passage by the bellway down below
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So... what the FUCK do I do against Lost Lace?
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Haven't played the game yet, waiting for all the grindy resource bullshit to be ironed out
Is the music anywhere near the first one's music?
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>>720736868
>multiple tools
YDNBTG
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>>720736789
It took me less tries to beat Isshin. It's such a fucking messy fight, you can't see shit especially in the last phase because everything is black, she can telefrag you out of nowhere and it's overall a very annoying fight to learn.
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>>720735709
It's an aerial boss and you're probably pogoing on his face half of the fight. When it starts diving it jerks up very fast and that is very likely to hit you.
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>>720736518
when ther waves were going it start feeling fun, makes sense cause her base moveset is so boring they had to spice up the arena to compensate. Still wasn't really great though.
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>>720736428
Okay, listen to me use the pin that heals you by taking damage, purposely get eaten by the frog, hit him from the inside, heal yourself when you come out, if you can hit him with the boomerang and dodge the bullets!

>Particularly the bilewater runback where I had to navigate the lengthy obstacle course back from the 2nd bench and de-worm myself before facing the gauntlet/boss.

There is an item that prevents this!
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>>720736826
is this act3 only?
>>720736907
fuck, I'm deleting my save
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>>720736868
trying out wanderer crest
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>>720722045
Bilewater feels like they just wanted to make Blight Town look like a fucking joke. I know there's a bench hidden nearer the gauntlet but I can't fucking find it. I hate this area.
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>>720736889
Is she that bad? Karmelita was harder, she took me half a day, Lost Lace took 30 minutes
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>>720736868
he's a wanderer chad
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>>720736889
Hit her until she dies, don't get hit.
So punish her dashes with pogos, her tentacle attacks with clawline, jump away after getting parried and punish accordingly
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>>720736874
You need double jump or high jump. In high halls, there is a random room with a cart you can push around and nothing else. Look around in there.
>>720736982
Nope, you can do this as soon as you get double jump, which is act 2 at the earliest.
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>>720735803
If you open the map when she lays down it looks like she's reading a book. She probably doesn't need to sleep just like she doesn't need to eat.
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>>720736518
Fun? No, but it was still gratifying to beat her.
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>>720737008
not that near tbf
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>act 3 trobbio

I have seen hell. How the fuck do you do this?
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>>720736689
He might just mean it's faster. Which it is. An anon told me it had i-frames. And it was very difficult to actually have an attack go through me to test it it's so fast.
It doesn't have i-frames, btw.
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>>720736741
people that waited religiously almost a decade turned into cultists for no surprises
they are the same people who think we're saying the game is bad because we have legitimate criticisms of the it, whereas we only want to make the experience more fun and lasting
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>>720736895
The music is arguably higher quality but it's less impactful and catchy imo.
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>>720725502
You can't bullshit me, anon. Because I'm 58 hours into the game, and still exploring act 2. Every """reward""" is just a another step up in difficulty. Each new area harder than the last. Most of the good items are locked in shops, behind high rosary requirements. And when you get them, it's still tedious to use them, because you can't swap out abilities any time you want. You have to return to a bench first.
And honestly, who has time to become familiar with every ability. It takes time to get good with one crest, so when you swap to another, you have to go through the effort of getting good with that other crest. Changing crests frequently means hobbling yourself again and again. There are like 6 or 7 crests. Nobody has the time to try them all, and learn which one works best per situation.

The Rosary economy is fucked. I just finished that long oil quest, and in the end, I still needed to pay 500 rosary for the weapon upgraded. Just a slap in the face. Meanwhile, I still haven't bought anything from the fox's shop, and half of the items still remain in the architect's shop. There's still all the furniture for my house too. The total price of rosary in the thousands.

The shard economy is fucked. For majority of the game, I had an abundance of shards, because I barely used tools. But now that I rely on tools more, my shards are quickly dwindling. Often finding myself unable to craft. I still have a handful of bundles in my inventory, but not many. Those can go away quickly if I'm not careful.

Point is: As someone who is going out of their way to explore, I'm finding that I'm barely stronger now than I was before. And my resources are dwindling. Shards becoming lesser, and I've resorted to grinding rosary off those tall guards that drop 32 at a time.
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>>720724197
>It's like they took anything slightly bad about hollow knight and made it worse, and took out everything that made it good.
Such as? Use examples
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>>720722362
really? everytime i explored i got a mask shard and a spool fragment. my start of act 2 was with like 7 and a half masks, it was a breeze and all because i went out of my way to explore.
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>>720722045
Just finished my 100% run. I went the extra mile and did 100% journal/materium/relics/cylinders, 7/8 mementos(fuck the Seth juggle, it was too annoying to finish), and all achievements except Twisted Child(missed it and don't feel like going back on a new game) and Speedrunner + Steel Soul stuff.

I think the actual gameplay was ~65 hours and the other 12 hours was just running around looking for things, being AFK, pissing, eating, etc.

Overall I'd give it a 9/10 for a metroidvania. I'm excited for the DLC/expansion and their next game.
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>>720737041
>Nope, you can do this as soon as you get double jump, which is act 2 at the earliest.
shit, I must have missed it, where is it?
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The worst thing about act 3 is the fact that you can't fast travel out of the abyss with the bell babies. No, I don't care about the worldbuilding reasons, it's annoying and tedious to manually run out of the abyss just to go finish up some shit.
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>>720736889
Honestly? Git Gud. I fought her stacking both quick heal and big heal, So I guess I didnt though...
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>>720737057
He has super low hp, just put on some sunglasses to not get epileptic
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>>720736895
music for act 1, outside of bosses, is pretty mid.
music for act 2, is fucking gorgeous. choral chambers, cogwork core, high halls, whispering vaults, all bangers. also as i said they really put more emphasis on bosses, all amazing.
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>>720736880
Thanks, it didn't even pass through my mind since Hornet is too tall for this shit
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>shaman crest is so great
>you can't heal mid-air
Another useless crest.
Back to the Reaper I go.
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>>720736161
I recommend completing literally everything you can in act 2 because act 3 spawns cancer enemies all over the map and they hinder exploration a lot.
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>>720736327
1st phase is nothing
2nd phase I only really got hits in on the down attack and the dash fire pillar attack
Its other moves I just focused on not getting hit and throwing poison tools at it when I couldn't get hits in.
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I'm about to post a true nigger post - given that they have no items in the overworld, I think that they should just get rid of all the shops and redistribute the items into random places. Just get rid of shard bundles and rosary strings in the overworld, and put the items in those locations. I think the game would be more fun to explore that way.
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Bind Eva or get blueberried?
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>>720737139
I admire team cherry's unwillingness to compromise their lore for the sake of gameplay.
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Am I the only one who hated the first half of Act 1? They hyped up the marrow, deep docks and greymoore only for them to feel rushed.
They said that greymoore was their biggest area yet, which is complete bullshit. City of tears had more content than this.
In general the whole metroidvania aspect of the game feels half-realised.

It's a shame because I actually really enjoyed the parkour and bosses, only to be let down by how little the world actually matters.
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>>720736895
I don't remember a single tune. I'm not saying the tracks are bad, usually I more receptive, but for some reason in this game, I can't manage to recall a single theme. Maybe I was too focused in the fights or the music wasn't loud enough.
But there was nothing close to Mantis lords or sealed vessel, or grimm.
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>>720736165
The only difficulty with Lace 2 is her counter. Just don't hit her when she's blocking, that's it.

I like to bait out her horizontal attack, then pogo once, then see what she does next, hit once again at the end of that movement, then if she goes back to neutral, repeat from step 1, or if it's another move, then dodge again and punish once at the end.
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>>720737174
I honestly think I may be too old for this.
So much shit on the screen, I can't even see where to fucking hit. I just die under the endless waves of black diarrhea everywhere.
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>>720737274
binding her gives you silk when on bench
no idea what happens if you refuse
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holy shit mount fay is ass, is this even worth doing asap or should I put it off for later?
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>>720737139
You only go to the Abyss twice anyways, and you miss the cool escape sequence the first time if you could just have bell babies take you away
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>>720736327
>anon can't memorize 4 moves
jesus christ man
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i kinda hate her over positive personality, but seeing this scene kinda makes me want to protect her
>>720736387
>The "grind" to get to act 3 will make you quit anyway
there is nothing i couldnt grind. i've been gaming for 20years++, i will just take it nice and slow
i just hope exploration could be more rewarding and not just some useless chest with red and silver thingy
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>>720737381
Not even the worst platforming section in the game.
And double jump is ALWAYS worth it. Best movement upgrade in the game by far.
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>>720736889
Pre-fight equip the amulet that heals you faster, she knows when you heal and tries to throw projectiles at you but you are faster and she won't catch you, put it on
Phase1:
Step 1: DON'T STAND IN THE AIR, DON'T JUMP TOO HIGH
Step 2: wait for her to jump and go under her and hit every mistake or parry she makes
Phase 2
Step 1: wait for her to cast some magic
Step 2: hit her when she is in this immobile state, avoid attacking when she is attacking with the sword, you only take damage from everything else
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>>720734001
a lot of them you'll just find naturally at this point or intuitively know where to go to get them
and if you haven't been a retard and have been unlocking the fast travel points like you're supposed to, getting to them is pretty simple
and guess what the timed run delivery isn't even the worst one to get in this quest
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>>720736518
literally the most fun in the entire series and cant wait for godhome equivalent to do her hitless
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>>720737381
do it asap for the reward of double jump
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>>720737323
You were probably too caught up in what was directly in front of you (can't blame you) because these tracks completely absorbed me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dq8wGcWeXwg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTicXQYw2ts
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsOkMtELuag
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xo_ZAUVtkQ
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>>720737381
It gives the best exploration upgrade in the way.
Its honestly not that hard either
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>>720737424
*him
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>>720737345
if you hit they counter you can just jump and double jump straight up and you dodge both her counters and get a pogo in on the aerial one too, you can even react to the aerial one with a double jump if you are a gamer
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>>720736951
I didn't know about the healing item, but I did know about the anti-maggot item. However, by the time I got to Groal, so I had neither of those items. Which then left me with two choices: face the gauntlet/boss now, or go item hunting. I chose the former and defeated him, eventually. Perhaps if I do a second run I'll try your strategy out.
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>>720737119
>Twisted Child(missed it and don't feel like going back on a new game)
It's amazing how many people have this achievements (when you compare it to finishing act 3, almost as many people have it), while this is supposed to be a secret ending.
Guess most of the players are using the online map and guides lmao. Not that they'd use anything in game, since they give jack shit.
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>>720737215
I get the feeling the music is supposed to be semi-diagetic. They already did that some in HK.
It just seems like the music picking up in act 2 when you're in the very music themed citadel and its associated areas is an intentional part of the environmental storytelling like with the game's economy.
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>>720734426
lol enjoy the swamp, son
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>>720736940
Why are you pogoing off of him for the majority of the fight? Just stand on the platforms and hit him
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>>720734490
because Architect is a crest that exists
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>>720737573
yeah, not a big fan of the first areas. feels too much like a movie in a bad way, where it's definitely doing its job to serve the area but it's completely forgettable otherwise. meanwhile in act 2 they're both amazing and serviceable. before that it's just le sad violin or le ambient pads.
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Seeing all these people bitch about silksong's difficulty makes me think I must be OK at games.
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>>720727712
>super mario wii u
ofc it's a fucking tendie seething the game isn't made for 9 year olds
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>>720737354
Just keep at it bro. It's a good feeling doing a little bit better than you did in your last attempt isn't it?
I'm a 3X boomer, and timed my time on her. She took me about an hour and 20 minutes.
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>normal enemies are constant threat
>they have better AI than 99% modern games
>and modern beatemups
>flying cancer enemies everywhere
>they can evade your attacks
>they have built-in TDC
>gauntlet filled with enemies is harder than actual solo bossfight
>bossfigts are either hit or miss

Reminder:

Silksong is Ninja Gaiden of metroidvania
The legacy lives on
This game is already legendary
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>>720737678
This game is difficult for the wrong reasons, and before you say git gud, I already finished the game 100%.
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>>720737354
dodge into a safe spot and just look for her model and react. That was consistent for me anyway
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>>720737678
The majority of people who play video games are complete shit unless someone is holding their hand and telling them what to do. Hell, even some people can't do shit even with having a guide in their hand
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>>720737354
don't worry, lost lace is EASILY the hardest boss in the game. it's like a smaller faster pure vessel on steroids, it's the only boss that made me have to take a break to defeat.
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>have a genius idea
>let me use the fire weapon tool to heat my character up in mount fay, surely that will work
>nope
remember when faggots were glazing this game for having crazy attention to detail? stfu
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>>720737381
It's ASAP. It's no so bad. The first bench part is only pure cancer (the bench is hidden behind the wall don't miss it)
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>>720737310
I'm not even going to bother arguing but they already did it multiple times so this point is moot.

>>720737396
So have it be blocked until you do the escape sequence. It's fucking tedious to finish the game and then having to run out of the abyss to go collect your 100% shit. Or imagine if you run out of shards fighting Lace and having to leave to farm. It's tedious design.
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>>720737727
Eh, I wish Team Cherry was more like Itagaki and didn't start nerfing shit patch 1. I hope this game doesn't end like Wuchang, or worse yet Souldiers or Afterimage (MV's that got nerfed HARD in patches).
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>>720737831
but it does have crazy attention to detail, it's a gigantic game. message them and they'd probably implement it because it's stuff they'd do.
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>>720737817
>>720737678
>lost lace
An example of a boss difficult for the wrong reasons haha.
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>>720737831
some anon said it works with the fire flint or whatever it was called
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2nd try. This boss was a fucking joke
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>>720737129
>where is it?
read the post you replied to, I already explained it
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>>720737831
7 YEARS
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>30 hours in
>all this shit to do
>everytime i come in these threads i glean the name of yet another area i haven't found yet
>still have 4 areas to fully explore
bros, i'm 1 melody in out of 3 in act 2
is there such a thing as too much good videogame?
i'm having a blast
the only shit thing are the kill quests, the huntress one was particularly egregious.
not ashamed to admit i plopped down on a bench with cheat engine's speedhack and farmed a couple of bozos nearby
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>>720737921
Wow, you beat a stationery scarecrow on fire, try something actually challenging like Unraveled.
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>>720737889
Environment damage nerf was justified.
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>>720737905
It stops the freezing for a few seconds and then it goes back to killing u
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>>720737895
wrong reasons? the only wrong thing about lost lace is that she can teleport in your face when you're running away while dodging some attacks like the void splashes, which is a recurring problem with many bosses in the game not exclusive to her. otherwise she's easily the best boss and completely fair. hell if anything sometimes some of her attacks that should've hit me for some reason didn't.
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>>720733146
if only they would sell self-awareness as DLC
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>>720738003
Fuck that nigger. Worst boss I've fought so far.
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>hides the best boss in the game at the end
you sons of bitches
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>>720737562
Maybe they got infected but couldn't find the cure since it's not actually straightforward. You're speaking from the position of somebody with out-of-the-game knowledge yourself right now, you know, so why are you deriding others for something you're guilty of.
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Was Ori better?
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why wasn't my boy in the game? I want answers.
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>>720737831
You get 15 extra seconds tho
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>>720737562
More like everyone talks about it and there are people who are so annoyed with twisted bud they need to look up how to remove it and every mention of it also says there is an achievement.
Its a fun challenge, the more people talk about it and do it the better.
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>>720737981
Based. Though during melody quest I felt SLOG. Once you get harpoon upgrade go to mount ASAP.
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>>720738115
Because he is fucking dead
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>>720738098
...She beats the shit out of you without even once needing to open her eyes...
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>>720738115
Sorry. I didn't free him from the vengefly king.
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>>720738115
we don't really know what Zote is
he could very well just be mortal in which case he died ages ago
if he is a vessel, he's proof that PK's plan would have never worked because that motherfucker definitely has a will of his own
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>>720737895
I fucking love that most damage I received from her is contact damage because she just goes "nothing personnel kid" randomly in your face.
FUCK Lost Lace, and FUCK anyone who though it's a good boss design.
Yes I'm seething and raging.
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>>720738115
Dude was annoying
Glad he's gone
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>>720738113
They are more balanced.
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>>720738030
>Dark arena, can't see shit
>She can go out of your screen and start things
>Spamming void related abilities just for chaos sakes, it's funny for a bit but when she starts teleporting in your ass, it's shit
>either she triple thrust or she double thrust jump and many times she will input read you to do the worst one
>just add a random half arena big aoe you have to jump over for reasons

Lace 2 is more interesting and better than LL, which is at best a reused fight (she's the final boss btw).
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>>720724197
It's a shitty platformer that doesn't do anything amazing, except if you're a true manchild who never evolved beyond Mario. The very cultist behavior here tells you it's all either actual shills or idiots who fly into rage when somebody doesn't rate their favorite pastime 10/10.
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>>720738115
The game implies everyone in the Hallownest is dead, it's a mass grave.
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>>720738115
he's still cycling his precepts in the fading town
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>>720738098
Her song is the most beautiful to me out of the entire game.
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>>720738229
I left him tied in Deepnest
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>>720738142
got the harpoon and wings already.
the mount was easily the hardest platforming in the game.
didn't help that i almost missed the one bench behind a breakable wall.

also, sometimes it wasn't clear in which direction i had to go.
still a bitch
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>>720738352
I'm listening to it on repeat right now
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>>720738308
>either she triple thrust or she double thrust jump and many times she will input read you to do the worst one
It's always double if you stay close to her. The triple is to catch people panicking
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>>720738115
Fuck him but where's Bretta
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>>720738321
nonsense, the Colosseum of Fools had an outrageously high population
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>>720738274
>zote is a root and wyrm child that didn't get voided
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>>720738278
It's funny when you say that, out of all bosses to not have contact damage, grandmother silk doesn't. She's fun and pretty easy.
And take another boss, like the unraveled. Most of the damage from that fat piece of shit actually comes from the contact damage since he's so big lmao.
But I do agree with you. Very disappointing final boss.
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>>720737849
When did they compromise on the lore in this game ?
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>>720738469
yeah, that would work too
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>>720732830
I did. It was kind of neat. Lace shows up when you enter the back door of the Citidel, and exchanges words about gods or something, and the zips off. But after that, I realized that I still had to clear everything in the Citidel from back to front. Which dampened my excitement.

>>720733509
>Him
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>>720738098
Really?
I don't know why, but among the last bosses, she was the most boring and difficult for me. I didn't understand how to avoid the spinning attack. After a while I used the architect crest but it still had a quintillion life left and it took me 5 minutes to beat it, madness
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>>720738436
I don't think it's a set rules because I'm pretty sure I experienced otherwise. Especially in P2 when shit goes down and you're already dodging a void related ability.
When I see how mosquito read input you, I'm pretty sure LL does too.
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>>720729092
I just used a fuckton of poison spikes for these two guys, fuck them lmao.
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>>720738596
>I didn't understand how to avoid the spinning attack
Jump over the spikes and land where they start if she jumps back or go over her if she just stands there menacingly
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Is Silksong the Ninja Gaiden of Hollow Knight ?
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>>720737562
I glanced at the acheevos for missables and saw the cursed thing. Then I got super aids and I just remembered seeing it.
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>>720738543
>>720737492
lol, why the fuck i keep misgendering bugs in this game
how the fuck do you know if its a male/female aside from wiki/guide??
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>>720738636
Try hovering over her when she does it and it'll always be 2 into a jump spin thing
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>>720737562
I knew at least one ending was missable in HK if you progress too much, so I just looked up the requirements. Fuck me for no hitting a tough boss I guess?
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>>720738808
It's Scholar of the First Sin of HK
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>>720738808
Silksong is Dark Souls 2 of Hollow Knight, sadly.
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THE FUCK DOES THIS MEAN?
how advanced is their tech? ithought it was just steam punk stuff
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>>720738976
I've had may more fun with SS than I did with SotFS
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>>720722362
I hate how retards will argue that the exploration is good.
The exploration is bad not because the world is not interesting but because you get nothing exiting that makes you want to grind through annoying stuff.
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>>720738976
This is the better answer of the two about DS2.
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>>720738817
The voice is obviously just a woman's voice. Low, sure, but still a woman's voice.
And the last judge is practically drawn with as much titties as the bug designs can have.

I honestly don't know how people figure Sherma is male. Sometimes Hornet will refer to another character as he or she. But I don't know if she's used Sherma's pronouns. Still, for like 99% of cases, just listen to the voice, or take note of how Hornet refers to them.
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Super Metroid > LA-Mulana > Rabi-Ribi > Superman 64 > HK > Silksong
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>>720732830
Phantom is probably the 2nd easiest fight in the game after Lace 1. It's just a mirror match against HK Hornet except Phantom moves to the needle instead of how Hornet pulled it back.
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>>720739015
Just fancy wording for what's essentially a terrarium.
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>>720737041
>Look around in there.
I'm in act3 and I can't find anything, no weak walls, singing does nothing
I don't remember what item I picked up there.
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>>720739147
>how people figure Sherma is male
because the quest to look for him in whiteward explicitly use "him" to talk about... him.
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>>720739015
within cells interlinked
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>>720739239
There is a part of the ceiling with light coming down. You can either push the cart there and double jump or use high jump.
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>>720739147
>The voice is obviously just a woman's voice. Low, sure, but still a woman's voice.
You never saw who mostly dub kid characters, regardless of their gender?
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>>720739147
Worth noting, Hornet calls some bugs they/them like the Last Judge and the meme surgeon
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>>720739356
I think I can't access it in act3, because there is rubble there.
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>>720731360
skarrgard is barely even a boss
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>>720739531
>>720739531
>>720739531
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>>720739468
absurdly fucked if true, I didn't even think to check there later
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I feel like most of the zones are just too long. By the time you're ready to beat the game you're still finding unexplored places. Moss Grotto, The Marrow, Deep Docks, and Far Fields could easily be condensed into 2-3 zones. Bilewater has no reason for being one of the largest zones in the game.
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>>720735564
>The mandatory gauntlet is annoying
The mandatory gauntlet teaches you about the breaks in between the frog fight and how to manage them in the arena so you can grab the free energy every time they appear mid-fight.
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>>720739551
it's double over, tripple over
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>>720739369
I know that.
You know that.
So factor that into the equation automatically.
Most characters in the game aren't kids.

>>720739404
She's using that autistic standard that many sci-fi nerds abide by, where "machines don't technically have a gender hurr".
What's the so called meme surgeon?
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>>720738596
i didn't dislike her or anything but i was also surprised to see how she was top 3 or top 2 for so many people.
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>break a secret wall
>no map for this area
Aw shit, here we go again...
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>>720739832
>What's the so called meme surgeon?
Ah my bad, it's a she/her. Guess I got confused.



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