Maybe it won't be a good sequel but its probably going to be a good Vtm game right?
>>720724917>Can't play Nos>Can't play Malk>Can't play Gangrel>But fucking literal who muslim clan got inRetarded. And no, that fucking Johnny Silverhand ripoff doesn't count as letting you play Malkavian.
>>720724917I wish I were a vampire (female)
It's going to be the best VTM game and it won't be close.
>>720724917>>720725807
at this point i doubt it's even going to be a good game.
im bored
>>720724917
>>720725713I want to hate fuck her so hard
>>720724917lollmao
>>720724917Is that the male or the female main character? Why is "they" indian?
>>720726534This isn't real, right? VTMB2 is not an RPG?
>>720725670And why should we care?
>>720724917>ParadoxAll their releases in the past five have been dog shit
>>720727316it's an action game with some rpg elements
>>720727316unfortunately it is.
>>720724917>probably going to be a good Vtm game right?You're an elder recently awoken from torpor, but for some reason everyone treats you like a thinblood, so no, they also completely fucked up the vtm lore.
>The Chinese RoomIt's being made by the same people that gave us Dear Esther. There was never any hope for a good game
>>720725807It's gonna be great
>>720724917Best case scenario: It'll be fascinatingly terrible.Worst case scenario: It'll be entirely unremarkable in its shittiness.
I'M NOT GONNA BUY A GAME BECAUSE /v/, KOTAKU, OR METACRITIC SAYS IT'S GOODI'M GONNA BUY IT IF IT MAKES ME FEEL BADASS OR HORNY AND VTMB2 AIN'T ITSORRY/NOT SORRY BUT LONE WOLVES LIKE ME GET TO MAKE THE HARD CHOICES<<<THIS POST BROUGHT TO YOU BY GANGREL GANG>>>
>>720728162Holy shit. That explains everything.
>>720724917>hasn't been a good WoD game yet (the hunter console shits were the closest)Also, searched for "this time, for sure" on Google to find picrel. Find a portrait pic with a 4:3 Bullwinkle shot in it and "Do you remember this iconic cartoon?" above it. I hate zoomers.
>>720728162>>720726534It really is going to be a walking sim isn't it?
>>720729385Ass is what it's going to be.
>>720726584She looks very plain. It would be super easy to find a prostitute that looks like her. Hell, you can probably find a decent escort to roleplay Rachel. Alternatively you can stay at home and jerk off to your own 4chan posts.
>>720724917I'll be amazed if it's a good ANY THING at this point. Hell. I might even settle for good rippable models for r34
It´ll be as bad as the last VTM game (swansong) was. It will be like a TCR game. You run around, listen to retarded woketards trying to hamfist their detached worldview into the world of vampires in modern life.The vampire aspect will be totally sidelined, while focusing on important things like enforcing modern clichees, belittle whites, subverse expectations, empowering ugly femoids, normalizing trans-brainrot and portraying subhumans as people. It won´t be anywhere close to the good VTM games like redemption or bloodlines.The tag bloodlines 2 is only there for brand recognition. Some fools will be baited by it sure, most normies will do because their research will come down to: VtmB was a cult classic and not VtmB2 is relasing so it be a cult classic2, which it wont.It tries to cash in on the nostalgia/memberberries grift.A more fitting name would be Vampire Swansong 2 but we all know that it wouldn´t generate the same hype/interest around it.
I just put 80 hours into VtMB in 10 days. That's 8 hours per day, a full time job. Why? Because I like seeing how each clan and dialogue tree changes the mood of the game and the people I'm interacting with.
>>720729385Have you seen the portfolio of The Chinese Room?They are incapable of doing anything else but boring walking sims.
Next time, White Wolf should put me in charge of making the game... I could've made it good instead of blowing the budget on pointless graphics...
>>720732335Anon... you're talking about making a porn game, aren't you?
>>720732519No!! I just want Dominate and seduction feat in the game that’s all! Maybe even the console command to make the girls’ boobies bigger!
>>720725713How is she out in the sun?
Am I asking for too much?
>>720733260studio props
>>720732192>Let's give an RPG to a walking sim dev>Let's give a platform game to a point&click adventure devWhy are studio's so retarded sometime?
>>720729385TCR hate gameplay, and whenever they do gameplay (almost always in the form of stealth), it's ass.They like writing dialogue. Their games often ruin their own decent atmosphere with constant chatty inner dialogue. Its kinda masturbatory writing most of the time, feels like. It's kind of funny, but more sad, that they gutted bloodlines 2 to turn it into what they like, and force you down their story rather than let you make your own. Fucking sucks, wish their studio would close.
>>720733893>>720733969If you think for a moment that you could create a better narrative story experience than The Chinese Room can, then you're just as arrogant as a shitty player at the round table constantly questioning the GM's decisions. None of you have any idea where this game is going to take you. You have no idea what twists and turns and emotionally compelling scenes are awaiting. Sit down, shut up, and be humble.
>>720734120fake ttrpg player
>>720724917no
>>720732727That was all in the original game unmodded right? What a magical time.
>>720724917god I want the game to release already so it can flop like everyone knows it will and we can get the obligatory 2 weeks of "you know it's not actually that bad" shill threads before this shit goes back to its one or two a month threads.
>>720734120>>720734192amusing interaction
>>720734312I just want to talk about the first game so I can hear other people's ideas and learn more/better ways to play. I'm still trying to decide how important research and skill books are. I've already learned investigation is poopy.
>>720734120i know exactly where things are going when the game's description spends most of the time describing his cool self-insert GMNPC.
>>720734579take a closer look at that soak
>>720734312The rare monthly threads were comfy
>>720735325Monthly threads are always better than daily. There's a reason /vg/ is genuine cancer unless using it to connect with fellow autists, and even that is a cancer in and of itself.
>>720734279>That was all in the original game unmodded right?yup
>>720734279>>720735528
>>720735649
>>720727367I know you don't care, but why should we buy?
>>720735649>turn into your sister and we'll talk
What's the best clan and why is it Lasombra?
>>720734120I´m convinced that i could write a better world and better characters than these fartsniffers at TCR. Especially because I don´t have a wobbly spine which bows to the one paying to most to emplement gay modern ideologies into a dark fantasy world. TCR is like a trans GM not listening to the fans but rather listen to the news and decides to build his fantasy world just like the real one because he´s a unimaginative faggot who got some agendas to push rather than having fun with the group together.
>>720736493I just got crazy Star Trek: Picard flashbacks while reading your post.
>>720736679why? I love star trek but refuse to watch anything beyond voyager
>>720736774Time is a flat circle.
>>720736454because they're italians ofc
>>720736776There's an entire monologue in season 2 of Picard where young Gainan complains to Picard about how rich white men have impoverished the entirety of California and now the homeless drug addicts are dying in the streets because the wealthy won't give their money away, and Picard has no understanding of real suffering because of his white privilege.In other words, what you said, where the GM builds his fantasy world just like the "real" one portrayed on the news.
>>720737124Lasombra are Spaniards, pure Iberian phenotype, Giovanni (read: incestuous cannibalistic necromancer fuckheads) are shitalians.
>>720725670Malkavian is in your head regardless of clan.
>>720737335YOU WILL GET JOHNNY FISHMALKHAND AND YOU'RE GOING TO LIKE IT
>>720730972The right one is based and rizzpilled DOE. Like, vampirism, you know, is like capitalism, it... it le sucks blood.
>>720737402>waah no Malk!!!!>WAAAAH I’M FORCED TO HAVE A MALK???Can’t parody you people.
>>720737335>No, you can't be Malkavian.>But don't worry, our OC Donut Steel DMPC is Malkavian!Absolutely tone deaf and retarded. Fuck you.
>>720737494There is a difference between being a big black musclebound stud talking mad shit at people and having a big black musclebound stud in your head talking mad shit at you. I can't simplify this further for you, so if you do not understand what I'm explaining, do NOT reply to my post.
>>720737615you are also forced to play as him occasionally
>>720737494That's not letting your character be Malk, you stupid cocksucker. It's taunting you with a fucking Gary Stu DMPC that's from a clan you can't choose. Fucking retarded faggot.
>>720737402>JOHNNY FISHMALKHANDlol
Toreador for me
>>720737719That's not the fucking character you create you dumb motherfucker.
>>720724917no. it will be a shitty dishonored
>>720737794That'll be 30 burger dollars
>>720737146yepp, it was the right call to not watch it, but thanks for clarifying anon!
>>720737896A better conversation is between Seven of Nine and her gay black lover where they complain about how capitalism poisoned the oceans and polluted the air and caused the California wildfires, with Star Trek's utopian Earth coming into existence not because humanity socially evolved to solve the environmental crises, but by bringing a bacteria back from Pluto or some shit that eats pollution and cured Earth.
>>720737802why do you insult me pouty faggot?
>>720737794>>720737880$20 for Silk and Shadows, but Paradox got so much backlash they're announcing Some Changes(TM) on Wednesday that will probably involve moving both clans to the base version of the game.inb4 >IT'S $30!No, that's the markup for Premium over base game, which includes Silk and Shadows and the gay $10 haven cosmetics.
Aren't elders supposed to be like godly badasses? Why is everyone in the trailers talking to you like you like you are bitchmade?
>>720724917If it had either Gangrel or Malkavian I might consider checking it out, but they took away the only two clans I gave enough of a shit about to deep dive into their lore, way bacl when of course before all the new lore shat all over Gangrels.
>>720737682>gay black man fantasies out of nowhereAsk me how I know you’re american.
>>720724917Let's hope so anon, let's hope so.
>>720724917I'm cautiously optimistic.Most of the things people are complaining about aren't super relevant to me. For example, people are pissed off you play as a set character rather than a specific one. But, how is that even much different than the first game? There was reactivity in certain spots, sure, but you're hardly going around doing major customizations. Your model is set based on your clan, and you always play as the same confused fledgling. There really isn't much customization outside of your clan and the specific routes you pursue to accomplish certain quests. In that regard, the new game sames on par.I think people are comparing it to some hypothetical Bloodlines that was much more robust on the roleplay opportunities, but that's not really how the game actually was.
>>720737802watch your words anon, there´s no character creation.You just assign the gender which NPCs will adress you with and that´s it.There´s no charactercreation because it´s not a RPG.You will play as Phyre, the ancient/antedeluvian, who has a fishmalk silverhand to guide you trough the walking passages. From time to time you will also absolve the walking passages as johnny fishmalk but without Phyre.Phyre probably diablerzied the fishmalk which is why he´s in your head and in time you will relaize that the time your character took his powers, it was because your protag was powerhungry and the meme will come full circle with "we bust me matter ben".I used to think that i will pirate it to shitpost about it but tbf, the more news and shit i see about it, the less i´m inclined to use my hard drive space for this waste of 1s and 0s.
>>720738173"Badass" is always relative. An elder is a chump to a methuselah.They're talking to you like they're bitchmade because, depending on whose dialogue you're talking about, they 1) don't realize what you are (ie, Benny), 2) are an elder in their own right (ie, Lou), 3) you can't hurt them (ie, Fabian Fishhand), or 4) someone else has leverage on them (ie, Willem).Not everyone talks to you like you're bitchmade, and Lou gets a little less bitchy once she realizes who you are, unless you keep picking dialogue options that piss her off again.inb4 SHILL SHILL SHILL
>>720738173I’m guessing you diablerized the Malkavian in your head and he’s fighting for control. Meaning you aren’t actually that elder. (Not just generation but age and control over time is what makes an elder powrrful)Alternatively it could have something to do with elders getting sucked to the east in V5 and it seems without a lot of them around the young vamps increasingly don’t respect them. Or, of course, could be lore errors.
>>720738263nWoD doesn't have Gangrel or Malks. The Gangrel "clan" is a collection of bloodlines like the Dead Wolves or Bruja (no "h"), and the Malkovian (yes, "Malkovian", not "Malkavian") bloodline is a part of the Ventrue clan.
>>720734120>you could create a better narrative story experience than The Chinese Room can, then you're just as arrogant as a shitty player at the round table constantly questioning the GM's decisions.Lmao, the shill is back.Nobody cares about Dan Pinchbeck or TCR
This thread has been going long enough, where's the AI generated titties?
>>720738263>nosferatu too ugly for normie consumers, also would require some some expansion of the systems (npc reactions, sewers etc) which goes against their idea of making the game as barebones as possible>gangrelactually very normie-friendly and furry bait, cutting them is retarded and reveals their greediness (protean abilities would cost some resources but that's it)>malkavianincompetent writing is at fault here.
>>720738776Did they die off? What happen?
>>720738625>inb4 SHILL SHILL SHILL
As many others have pointed out in many other threads, it most likely will be a slightly above average Vampire the Dishonored game. It APPEARS as though there aren't a lot of deep RPG elements, I'm assuming the dialogue choices will only result in minor differences while you're getting a mostly linear experience.I personally will probably enjoy it because Dishonored is one of my favorite games, and I'm a big fan of WoD in general.What I DON'T ever see in these threads are the self proclaimed VTMB fanboys (who probably don't know shit about the setting outside of the game, and have never played the tabletop) actually talking about what they DO want out of a sequel. It's as if people were expecting this 20 year old game sequel to have a blood bar on the left, goofy looking prostitutes strutting around the street, and caricatures of stereotypes alongside dogshit combat, dogshit level design, and generally an overall mediocre gameplay experience that is elevated purely by it's immersive aesthetic.Personally I don't really give a fuck if it isn't a 1:1 to the tabletop similarly to how VTMB was, because if I wanted to play a tabletop, I'd play the tabletop. >Then why call it VTMB2We all know why, and if it offends you that seriously then you need to find something else to do with your life.That being said, it's really unlikely I buy this anyway considering they were originally charging $30 or whatever for fucking Clan DLC. The only way I pick it up is if the game price is like $30 (It wont be) and they drop the DLC prices significantly (they wont)
>>720739225nWoD is a different reality compared to oWoD. If you liked VtMB then you wanted VtMB2 to be like V20, and that's just not gonna happen, chief.
>>720724917fuck you. fuck me for taking the bait.
>>720739658
>>720738776Jesus Christ it's even worse than I recalled then. All I remember is they made some trans black commie the leader of the Gangrels or whatever they are now, and I totally clocked out at that point.
>>720739519>Personally I don't really give a fuck if it isn't a 1:1 to the tabletop no one wants rudi shit in this gamethis is /v/ and we primarily want a good vampire gamefollowing V5 closely would result into swansong 2.0 aka garbagewe want the devs to be good writers and put fun gothic and sexy stuff. bloodlines 1 was a product of artistic freedom above everything else
>>720739864
>>720740074>no one wants rudi shit in this gamei wanted what could easily be translated from v20 to a video game just like what vtmb did for v3
>>720740115As much as I hate to admit it, your picrel is kind of true. Punk is counterculture and spitting in the face of cultural norms. Cross dressing, homosexuality, race mixing, and whatnot all fit in well with it and always have.
>>720740340You type like a fag and your shit's all retarded.
gonna play the clan quest mod for the first time, which clan should i play?
>>720740406It's true, though.
>>720740340>your picrel
>>720739519>It APPEARS as though there aren't a lot of deep RPG elementsWhat do you mean "it appears"? We know there aren't RPG elements>It's as if people were expecting this 20 year old game sequel to have a blood bar on the left, goofy looking prostitutes strutting around the street, and caricatures of stereotypes alongside dogshit combat, dogshit level design, and generally an overall mediocre gameplay experience that is elevated purely by it's immersive aesthetic.I love when the shill, in desperation starts to shit on the beloved original, because nobody is liking his garbage new product
>>720740582its true you type like a fag and your shits all retarded??
>>720740695>32X screenshot as a picrel
>>720734579Some of those are important for minmaxing, so you can get a point of Brawl for free or something.
>>720740340>Punk is counterculture and spitting in the face of cultural norms.There's literally nothing more counterculture than being a Nazi, then.They're literally the biggest villains in the modern westoid mind.Saying "fuck the police" won't even bet you a fine, saying "the Holocaust didn't happen but if it did they deserved it" will literally get you arrested on a lot of countries.
>>720740769Mods, kill this poster.
>>720740769>saying "the Holocaust didn't happen but if it did they deserved it" will literally get you arrested on a lot of countries.Don't live outside of the USA, I guess. Is it really living when you reside there, anyway?
>>720740340both the cultural norms and the counterculture are dead, buried and extinguished.
>>720738090>No, that's the markup for Premium over base game, which includes Silk and Shadows and the gay $10 haven cosmetics.Yeah, but Silk and Shadows weren't available to buy outside of Premium. Sure, it would be available once the game is out and probably cheaper than $30, but that wasn't announced. They could have given us the price or something, but that's the marketing department fault. Marketing seems very incompetent for this game. The best they can do is to have a shitty campaign on /v/.
>>720740821I'd prefer to live thoughbeit>>720740850>Don't live outside of the USA,Even if you can't be punished by the government directly for saying it, they'll still find ways to punish you for it.But my point is, if being "punk" is being anti-norm and counterculture then being in accordance with every university, large corporation and form of government in existence shouldn't be punk unlike what that Archie poster states,
>>720738776Weird thing to lie about.
>>720740115Aren't Gangrels all about innawoods recluses with living situations akin to rural villages? Seems pretty trad to me.
Remember how the OG game told the story through its musical choices?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbe3CQamF8khttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOuxOUYycoU
>>720741253Show the class where, in the nWoD manual, the Gangrel bloodline is.
>>720740074Swansong was pretty good. It’s essentially a point and click until the last few stages where a shitty engine can’t really deliver on “action” sequences. But skills and disciplines were scripted for. Alternate routes existed. The story was good (given that they had to work with V5 universe).
>>720739519I expect, if you use the name of a already existing game, especially with a cult classic, to be somewhere similar to the orignal, best case? All the old shit but enhanced, more of everything. I do not expect a reduction of it to the common denominator. I do not expect it to be trying to appease to everyone and failing to make it attractive for even me. I´d expect they bait some memberries into it but not just straight up abandon everything I liked about the 1st game just to make some extra sales, but yeah, expectations are there to be subverted, am i right fellow anon kun?
>>720741268basically they can vary from varg vikernes types to rudi
>>720741494the new game is just like VTMB1 except better. it's still a 3D action rpg set in a city at night that focuses on exploration. just because they made the combat good instead of being based on morrowind style dice rolls doesn't mean it's not a valid sequel
>>720740221I thought V20 is V3???
>>720741648v20 is the conglomerate of v1-3 that ww released on kickstarter a decade ago so technically yeah youre right
>>720741560>varg vikernesso... larping welfare queens?new meaning to the "inside of you there are two wolves. one is gay. the other is gay" meme
>>720741646>the new game is just like VTMB1 except betterExcept it doesn't have all the Clans and it doesn't have the RPG elements and it's made with V5 which is objectively worse than Revised.What part of it is "better"?
>>720741757shut your goofy ass up
>>720741648There's no such thing as V3, nobody called it isIt's 1st, 2nd, Revised, V20 (a compendium) and V5
>>720741836did you seriously reply to bait unironically?>>720741839
>>720741836>Except it doesn't have all the Clansneither did VTMB1 retardwhere the fuck are the lasombra and setites? oh wait you're a secondary nigger that only played VTMB1 that knows literally nothing about wod
>>720741394Probably page 69 of V5. Do you want me to screenshot that for you, too, you lying kike? Nearly all of the sourcebooks are available in /tg/'s repository. You can read them for yourself.
>>720741931If I pop those boils, will he die?
>>720741839shit i thought varg only posted on /tg/
>>720727367this is a weird way to shill your new game
>>720741986Gangrel BLOODLINE YOU ILLITERATE SAMBOTHERE'S A GANGREL CLANBRUJA ARE IN THE GANGREL CLANMABRY ARE IN THE GANGREL CLANSHEPHERDS ARE IN THE GANGREL CLANTHEREISNOGANGRELBLOODLINEYOUSTUPIDMOTHERFUCKER
>>720741961>neither did VTMB1 retardAre you retarded? It doesn't have all the Clan that VtMB had. Not all the Clans from VtM>where the fuck are the lasombra and setites? Or the Giovanni or the Tzimisce or the Assamites or the scattered bloodlines? I was comparing the first game with the second game, its alleged sequel that's "better">oh wait you're a secondary nigger that only played VTMB1 that knows literally nothing about wodSounds like some faggy projection from a shill
>>720741648Ok, editions are kinda complicated for VtM.>1st Edition>2nd Edition>Revised Edition (usually counted as 3rd Edition, but not named as such, it's more like 2.5)>20th Anniversary Edition - it's where it begins trickyV20 wasn't supposed to be a full-blown edition, it was more like a love letter to the VtM fans. After V20 got successful, the creators started working on the actual 4th Edition. Then Paradox bought White Wolf, cancelled the game they were working, hired a bunch of deranged Swedes, decided to count V20 as a real edition and created>5th Edition, or V5
>>720737335>FROM THE INDIE DEVS WHO PLAYED CYBERPUNK 2077
>>720742141THAT'S WHAT I TOLD YOU, YOU ILLITERATE FUCKFOLLOW THE FUCKING THREAD
>>720725670>Can't play Nosnobody wants to play that shit>Can't play Malknobody wants to play a fish malk>Can't play Gangrelnobody likes you furfaggot>But fucking literal who muslim clan got inthe assamites aren't literal who>And no, that fucking Johnny Silverhand ripoff doesn't count as letting you play Malkavian.yes it does>>720742190>or the Assamites>its alleged sequel that's "better"luckily vtmb2 does include assamites and lasombra too! as playable! so its an improvement that provides new content.>I was comparing the first game with the second gamenot what you said>Except it doesn't have all the Clansdon't become a lawyer with this reading comprehension
>>720741646Just because they made combat better and ditched the morrowind style dice rolls it´s not a VTMB1 you fukken faggot.They literally ditched everything for better graphics and a reduced combat system.Where you had different approaches, from dialouge options, over your own skills to equipment choice, it now boils down, which of type of second weapon you want to carry temporarly. Dont worry, the questmarker will be there because modern gaymers cant read shit. Fully voiced in 9 different languages but SFW talk because devs only talk like the fags on the news. It´s sterile in comparison to 1 and you faggot try to tell me why its a good thing.> it's still a 3D action rpgnot interested in marketing talk, because as soon as you got a skill tree, no matter how static it is, and dialouge, suddenly you´re a RPG?
>>720742476Exquisite trolling, you got me chief. It took me a while to figure out that you were trying to bait me by calling me a liar while providing your own evidence to support everything I typed because I genuinely couldn't fathom this kind of behavior. Thank you for helping enlighten me into understanding the degeneracy of attention-seeking truly knows no bounds. I hope you have a great day, and God bless.
>Bro it's just like Dishonored bro there's powersI don't know what I hate more, the fact you tasteless retards think Dishonored is the only game ever when you have powers or that you're going to compare this dumpster fire of an action game made by devs who can only make walking sims to one of the most fun stealth/action games
>>720741961VtMB1 had all the Clans from the 1st editon of VtM, or alternatively you can say that it had all the Camarilla Clans. Honestly, it should be a bare minimum.
>>720742493>luckily vtmb2 does include assamites and lasombra too! asAnd the Malkavian and Nosferatu?>not what you saidLiterally what I said.>don't become a lawyer with this reading comprehensionDon't vote with this level of retardation in your brain
>>720742927malkavian is a playable race in VTMB2. nobody wants to be a nosferatu.
>>720743024>malkavian is a playable race>raceHahahahahahaRetard.
>>720742836Even though it couldn't include every clan, VtMB still had a Tzimisce enemy, the Giovanni, a Nagaraja, and Gargoyles, plus whatever the Sabbat in the game were.
>>720742141isn't "gangrel being a clan for brujah bloodline and many others, also there are just 5 clans xd" a vampire the requiem bullshit? what has it to do with nu-masquerade.
>>720736774>You're a funny guy>Funny how?
>>720738515It's gonna be great
Paradox and The Chink Room making this shit is the equivalent of a 44 year old man getting into Roblox.>He's not going to be good at it.>Everything he makes will be tone deaf and cringe since he was never the target audience.>His actual intentions are clearly malicious.
>>720736774Is that single nosferatu that helps you a patch addition? Always felt bad for that guy because he always inevitably dies and he's the only non-cunt among the nossies that came out to help
>>720743439A true return to form™
>>720743467all your points are correct but let's be real this game still existing and actually coming out is a miracle in itself. even if everything points to it being bad we won't get anything like that for another 20 years.
>>720743532why would nosferatu help filthy smooth skins
the retard read the vampire the requiem section of the wiki and thought it was about masquerade, kek!
>>720741394>nWoD manualyou're right, there is nothing about vampires here
>>720743024lies.it´s not playable, those are mandatory parts.
>>720743987Thank God they changed the name to Chronicles of Darkness, shit could get confusing
PUTTANESCA GANG, RISE UP!
i miss her bros...
>>720724917That's all I can hope for at this point.
>>720744298https://i.4cdn.org/gif/1757808606430284.mp4
>>720743657I'm having a blast
>>720744882okay we can all go home now, thread's over
>>720744298I want this as a mod.
>>720745039i don't think jeanette as a 4chan mod would be a good idea
>>720743693>we won't get anything like that for another 20 years.We'd be better off not getting anything and the franchise staying dead. This is not for fans, this is not for players. This is ONLY for Paradox to make money and nothing else. Don't be an idiot and don't deceive yourself into thinking otherwise. There is no love for the franchise or for Bloodlines in this. Only calculated corporate greed and a decision that the franchise MUST generate a profit at all costs. The whole thing may as well have been made in AI.
>>720745194>lets ppl go crazy horny mode at night>at daytime rules with an iron fist and bans left and right
>>720745194Not what I meant, but that idea is honestly even more titillating to me.
>>720745296LINEGOUP
>>720745039>I want this as a modAnon, Jeanette is already in the game
>>720724917>have to play as a pre-made Middle Eastern dudeThere was a slim chance I would pirate it if not for this.
>>720737491This is actually one of the wider points of WoD and /v/ loves it, they love progressiveism when its dressed up and has a safe edgy flair to it they hate it when its reduced to corporate hr speak
>>720745523Just do a model swap with some cool guy.
if vtmb is so good why doesn't some indie dev just make a good vampire game? its been years they've had time
Circumcise all frogposters.
>>720745691Why not play a cool game instead?
>>720745723>need good irl vocal tracks >need good voice actors>needs hot chicks >needs to know WoDalready bars indie devs
>>720745774Not too many of those around these days.
>>720745723because indies don´t have to money to buy a loicense?`
they should've made a werewolf game. maybe they even wanted to, but paradox was too scared to allow it after earthblood flopped.
>>720745863The license is shit, you could make a better vampire game without it.
>>720727316>>720726534Pain.
>>720745863literally just change the clan names, are indie devs really too stupid to use legally distinct names?
>>720745896Nobody knows how to create engaging scenarios anymore since the video game industry is inundated with nepotism and diversity hires (this isn't a jab specifically at non-whites and non-males, it's pointing out that grognards are predominantly white males and refusing to hire them to meet an arbitrary federal quota can only harm the product and license).
>>720746005If you make ANYTHING that even looks a little like VTM, like ghouls, clans, vampire power politics, Masquerade rules or vampire power scaling with generations, paradox will sue you to death like the Swedish kikes that they are.You would be getting a Twilight vampire game.
>>720745854That´s optimistic to say. Is all media pre 2010 not available?Or are you only able to play the newest gaymes?>>720746005>>720746043Vampire survivors is defnitely the better Vampiregame if you want to compare it to the upcoming trainwreck. But you´re right, we really have a lack of proper Vampire games similar to redemption or bloodlines.
>>720746064that had nothing to do with what i said, prove that you are human.
Can we all agree that we hate Tremere thoughbeit?
>>720746554>game that has nothing to do with vampiresyou can say this game is going to be bad without being a useless shill
>>720746626Okay I'll try...The werewolf game had a shitty scenario that didn't grab the audience. There's no compulsion to continue with it because it felt generic as all fuck. The only thing interesting was the intro cutscene, which isn't indicative of the rest of the game. Paradox (and most video game companies) genuinely don't understand that "LOOK AT DEM GRAFIX" doesn't make a successful game based on a TTRPG. A successful game needs a solid hook, and the writing teams currently in employment don't have competent members who can create compelling hooks because they were almost all trained in the Bad Robot Mystery Box School of Writing.Compare the "lethargic" opening of Mass Effect 1 to the slam-bam opening of ME2 to see why ME1 is preferred by grognards over ME2.
>>720746554More like I've played them all already, and there's only so many times you can replay them.>>720746637Well at least they're not gayngrel.
>>720747159>*knots u*
>>720747159then try something new, sometimes, you might stumble upon a gem.For me it was Abiotic Factor, i avoided it like hell because of survival builder, but zamn, it´s more than that. It´s like half life coupled with resident evil and a bit of minecraft.
>>720724917Phyre's skin looks nasty
>>720745896>>720746951Earthblood sure was... something. It couldn't go all in on the furry as fuck hard gay metal aesthetic. It gets into the bizarre WtA cosmology but it's laced with all these current year expectations-subverted tropes where all the chicks are hard eyed killers and the guys are soft nurturing healers. The gameplay is just whatever. It's a wash. But everything else is fighting itself.Also the ending is bugged to shit. At the last boss fight when I took off the last bit of the health bar, I suddenly shot through the ceiling into the skybox, then fell down to the top of the level, which is semi-modeled. I had to find a place where the environment didn't have any clipping, drop back down to the hallway in front of the boss arena, walk back in, repeat the boss fight, and then it finally played the boss dying cutscene.
>>720747383Abiotic Factor was alright, kinda got worse the further you progressed but it was one of the better releases this year.
>>720747584it peaked in the middle imo cascade/hydro and then became just okay after that
>>720747584You´ve tried to indie skyrim? Tainted Grail: The fall of Avalon?
>>720746041The vampires from Twilight force you to play this game inside your mind for a hundred years every time they say Pain.
>>720742141It's says Clan, so they're on the same level as the playable Clan of Bloodlines 2 in V5
Does anyone else play VTMB locked to 30FPS? Something about 60+ makes the game feel off.
>>720748476>Something about 60+ makes the game feel off.I think the dialogue plays too early and doesn't sync properly above 60fps
>>720748476yeah>>720748553dialogue desync also doors getting stuck and clipping issues happen the higher the fps
>>720748392obligatory Twilight post
>>720748759You can also click through the map icons and end up attacking as soon as the next map loads so you get lit up by cops as soon as you're out of the loading screen.
>>720748476>>720748553>>720748759>>720749075>/v/ finally admitting it's a shitty gameIt's taken me a month, but we're finally here.
>>720749162(You)
>>720749418i love these
>>720749546Some of V20's isn't bad, either, but I know that's my nostalgia speaking. Seeing How To Draw Anime in 2011 puts a tickle in my pickle.
>>720748476I think at 60 some things go too fastIt's like New Vegas, I don't play it above 1080p, because it looks off
>>720749418>>720749546>>720749797Amazing how the bloodlines 2 shill tried to say this art was bad
I asked you if you did anything fun on weekend, and you ignored. Kill yourself, subhuman.
>>720750419I've never talked shit about it (I reserve that for WtA art) but like a lot of RPG sourcebook art it's just serviceable.
>>720750734okay but your game is still going to bomb
>>720750902bro i only wish i was publishing my fantasy heartbreaker for one thing i can't afford art that's even serviceable i get a bunch of good stuff free from one of my players but i can't have them illustrate an entire book lmao
>>720750734What's wrong with WtA art?Seems overall pulpy and verges into Puldron core for the W20, but could be way worse
The amount of seething faggotry in this thread is astounding. Just don’t play the game. Wow that was hard. What compels you to sit here months on end and screech about a game you never played and won’t play?
>>720751342If there were no critical discussions of the product, then the providers of the product would only see universal acclaim and release more products of the same quality, which is what we here on /v/ don't want.
>>720751489>critical discussionHaha oh wow. I think they’re pretty jaded with 40-50 year old men screaming they don’t like things that are different at this point.
>>720751342because you keep shilling the game every day here
im here for my government assigned vamp gf
Why the fuck is one guy trying to glaze this garbage so hard? its literally the chinese room taking the assests of a flopped pvp live service and making a bad dishonoured clone. Thats sub Ubisoft levels of slop.
>>720751338ron spencers stuff is like it was found in the back of a high schoolers notebook and you just know they were yiffin
>>720751674>taking the assests of a flopped pvp live service and making a bad dishonoured cloneWhat?
>>720751593You type that as if you're close to the developers and know what they're thinking haha
>>720749418>moon safari tshirtwhat the actual fuck, what's the qrd on that. artist just liked the band?https://youtu.be/BswuwCn1hBo?list=PLaVHibd49QFIfADpOMaCe1sOYadu16ENs
>>720751763Most of the assetts and animations are taking from a failed pvp live service game called Vampire the Masquerade Blood Hunt. Never heard of it? yeah it flopped that fast. But those animations? those combat moves? you think the fucking walking simulator devs made those?
>>720751782It's just that good shit.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpahYJ7UpP4
>>720751943yeah i'm just surprised to see it here. neat.
>>720751623every time u post this i have to resist posting one of my girl in white pancake and black lipstick its such a hot look even if it ends up on ur face clothes by the end of the night
>>720751782>artist just liked the band?Revised Edition artwork, came out in 1998 around the same time as the album.
>>720752254>BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD>GANGRELHE'S LITERALLY FUCKING ME BROhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbajA8JmbrU
>made by the dear esther developer>can't pick up guns permanently, only TK them before discarding them>set character>kind of terrible visuals from what we've seen>looks like neutered dishonored>dev trying to lower expectations because they couldn't do a huge-scale RPG this is plausibly going to be a legitimate tortanic moment as opposed to all of the forced-as-fuck ones from the past decade
>>720752254>intheh
>>720752168its the hottest thing, shame most girl's that are into dressing goth are even more insane than the tradgirls
>>720752254nice
>>720752369just gangrel things
>>720752391One day I'm going to get a job at a video game company and blow stockholders' minds when I say "game... but we save 20 million dollars and 2 years of the development cycle by having the graphics run on 10 year-old graphics cards while taking 25% of the planned game's assets from previous in-house games"
>>720752509gotta take the good with the bad i guess
>>720752369>HE'S LITERALLY FUCKING ME BROpssh faggot...
Is the "shill" spamming turbo schizo here already? Did I miss anything?
Twenty years later and no one can tell if she's sincere or not
>>720752982Well she's a woman
>>720752784na I value my mental more, its the same reason i stopped fucking trannies years ago
>>720752982Have you tried calling her (and also Isaac) out for being Toreador shitters?
>>720752982im not sure what the mystery isno vampire is ever sincerepart of the allure is you always know its a lie but you want to hope its not
>>720753085bridge too far for me lollots of makeup is cool but theres not enough makeup in the world for that one
>>720753085you just have to become more insane than them then you win
>>720753235So how did getting cursed by God give Caine superpowers?
>>720753312Caine didn't gain any superpowers from his curse. He gained them after Lilith unlocked his magical potential, which gave him all the superpowers. But before then, he was visited by multiple angels who each gave him the classic vampire weakness, as well as a hope for salvation, Golconda.
>>720753213most of them did look pretty good and even if they werent properly passing it was hot manhandling some autistic guy around
>>720751338>cartoon fursuit killing le heckin NAZZISEmbarrassing for everyone.
Do you guys prefer to spend your xp points evenly so you're pretty good at everything or do you pump up one skill in particular?
>>720753613the unfortunate thing is that in a crpg you know where and when the threshholds are so you allocate for thaton tabletop i usually build for a certain amount of self-sufficiency unless the campaign concept is a team in which case i specialize
>>720753613i just use the autoleveler desu
>>720752982Most perfect representation of a woman ever.Even she doesn't know if she's sincere or not. She probably genuinely loves in one euphoric moment and just wants so see you jump through hoops in another
>>720754158I thought Tourette was a better representation of a woman.
>>720753613Because of how the sheets work, it's better in VtM(B) to spread yourself out since it gives more dice or more points in Feats
>>720754026Based.
>>720746041They aren't doing the fucking fallout 4 dialogue wheel are they? jesus
>>720754230VV is a better representation of a woman that you're in a relationship withTourette a woman you have to interact with in your daily life
>>720754439>Yes>Yes (Sarcastic)>No (Yes)>I'll come back later
>>720754439They are. If you complained about only having four options then good news, now you only have three!
define "soul"
>>720755925nightlife with LED lights just isn't the same anymore ;_;
>>720756095high pressure sodium lamps needing to be replaced with metal halide so it's easier to see blacks and browns in the darkness has been a disaster for our night life and also the environment
>>720725836>VTMB2 WILL BE CLOGGED WITH MY CREATIONS!
>>720744215I was confusing. oWoD and nWoD was names used by players. White Wolf was just using WoD, yet going by the book titles it was "A World of Darkness" and "The World of Darkness"
>>720744882Nipples are way to dark.
>>720725836the sabbat stare has such big pouty lips>be vamp plastic surgeon>bog the fuck out
>>720748272I've been meaning to actually, just didn't have time in the summer when it got released. I'll probably play that next, good call anon.
>>720755925Attention to detail.
>>720756786DUMPEET
>>720756786You're unable to understand the terrible beauty of the Tzimisce.
>>720736972It's got nothing to do with the current use of the term. They're both just references to the same shitty movie referenced in Clerks (2).
Do you do the tutorial each play through, or skip it and miss out on 2 whole XP?
>>720740695Peak writing.
>>720758610skip it and use "giftxp 2"
>>720756646It can't be helped
>>720758709>gamers only want one thing and it's fucking disgusting
>>720744940HUZZAH
>>720758709isn't that just masturbation
>>720725670I never got this complaint. Assamites are only literal who's to people who have only played Bloodlines. It sucks that there are only 6 playable clans two of which are behind day 1 dlc but its not like Nos, Malks and Gangrel are iconic mainstays of the setting especially when there are 11 other clans
>>720742190>It doesn't have all the Clan that VtMB hadWhy should it? Faggot ass secondary. I'd rather they include other clans. I have zero interest in playing Brujah, Ventrue or Toreador.
>>720759178tabletop players (not wiki warriors) are a small minority of bloodlines fans
>>720753492Wolves are nazis.
>>720737494>b-but you talk to oneGet a real job and then kill yourself.
>>720759178To me, the inclusion of Assamites just feels really Gamey since they are the "Stealth Assassin" Clan, so the only reason they are included was so that Chinise Room had a Stealth Class at launch of the game
>>720759460TREMERE DETECTED>TREMERE DETECTEDTREMERE DETECTED>TREMERE DETECTEDTREMERE DETECTED
Dialogue wheel hurts the most. Such a disgusting design element.
>>720760308Do you really want to flick through dialogue options taking up half the screen with a controller while you're chilling out on the couch? Don't even think about it, everyone with a working brain will give a reflexive affirmation. Games are about being comfy. Lots of dialogue reading isn't comfy.
>>720760396>do you really not want to eat poopNo, anon. I don't.
>>720760227Well it is a game. It makes sense to pick a stealth clan that isn't narratively gimped from engaging in the social dimension like Malks and Nossies are.
>>720754420why is gangrel so straightforward while tremere is all over the place
>>720760396So much this...Like, most of us are adults now. We all have kids, responsibilities, multiple jobs. We don't have time to read all of that. Just give a brief summary and let us finish the game faster.
>>720760396>>720761129samefag
>>720761010The autoleveling is pretty much fucked. It's serviceable, you can definitely beat the game with it. Since histories were never balanced autoleveling doesn't take that shit into account. The autoleveler will try to spread dots out so you can deal with most problems as you meet them. You'll almost never get a 5 dot in more than 1 or 2 things since there's not enough XP in the game to complete the program.From a tabletop standpoint, Gangrel is all about stealth kills and fucking shit up when there's a crowd without caring about conversational dialogue at all. Tremere have Thaumaturgy to carry them while they take all the RP feats to get more immersed in the plot.
>>720751593Changing tactics mid stream? Are you ok anon? You seem deranged. Try picking one argument.
>>720761953You could just NOT reply to bait, or something.
Personally I actually really like the Banu Haqim skillset but imagine having to LARP as a Muslim for hundreds of years whenever you interacted with your Leadership until Ul Shulgi liberated you from that retardation.
>>720759460>Nooooo a sequel with less stuff is actually a good thing, chud!!!!LolLmao even
>>720759178>Assamites are only literal who's to people who have only played BloodlinesYeah, those of us who played the TT and aren't faggots know them as the insufferable mozzie clan that White Wolf's white guilt made increasingly faggy and overbearing
>>720762774shut the fuck up
>>720756646It needs to match the overall skin color toneVtMB doesn't care for realism, some vamps are literally ash grey to hammer the point about the paleness and because it looks odd and interesting while still blending nicely into the art directionhttps://i.4cdn.org/gif/1757808737620295.mp4
>>720762853No u
>>720724917The first game is mediocre and 95% of the content is the same for every clan, so not worth replaying either.
>>720762998I agree with this dude, unfortunately. If Jeanette was room temperature then I'd want her to have pink nipples, but since she's a fucking walking corpse the dark nipples reflect just how alien it would be having sex with a 72F dry cunt.
>>720725670i'll never understand mudslimes being included in a christian mythos for no reason
>>720763852*Jewish mythos
>>720764006Jews deny Jesus, Adam, Eve, Cain, and Able.They also believe killing a chicken tricks god into absolving you of your sins.
>>720741303No.actually i didn't find the original's music memorable at all, which is weird because i remember near everything else about the game.
>>720763852They were initially just a group of fanatical jihadists with a vampire tune, just like the Giovanni are just a mafia with a vampire element. The writers probably watched Rambo 3 and the news about the gulf war and got interested in the whole concept.Then for some reason they had more and more shit added to them and consequently became less interesting.
>>720763285Vamps can move blood around, Jeannette can warm or cool her pussy to your personal satisfaction
>>720764285Were you born knowing you're gay, or did that aspect of yourself come out as you got older?
>>720763852Its a good enemy faction, I guess, especially considering their cannibalistic tendencies. Same reason why they were considered as part of the low clan by the more traditionally Christian/European rulling clans like the Tzimisce or Ventrue.
>>720764374>spend blood for blush of life>whoops botched hunger rollvampin’ aint easy
>>720762998>>720763285Do nipples change color after dead? I assume they do like the rest of the body. I also assume they either got paler than they are while alive or turn more blue/purple-ish. Jeanette is unnaturally pale, and wears a heavy dark makeup, mostly on her lips and eyes, to make it contrast even more with her skin. I don't believe she's painting her nipples black.
>>720724917Every day, huh.
>>720764674I thought the Nicaraguans were the cannibalistic vampire clan.>>720765002I don't know about real life, but the Malk dude's been dead for two days and he's already starting to lose the Milk Dud caramelization.
>>720725836>>720756786>Ventrue bow to Tzimisce>In contact with (enslaved) demons>Possess psychic-like abilities>Control Eastern Europe with an iron but fair fist>Own castles & banks globally>Direct descendants of the ancient royal blood line>Will bankroll the first cities in Shadowlands (Tzimmiegrad will be be the first city)>Own 99% of DNA editing research facilities on Earth>First fleshcrafted babies will in all likelihood be Tzimisce babies>Every clan member said to have 215+ IQ, such intelligence on Earth has only existed deep in Cappadocian monasteries & Enoch>Ancient Ravnos scriptures tell of two angels who will descend upon Earth and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented biotechnological progress with them>They own Revenant R&D labs around the world>You likely have Tzimbots inside you right now>The Tzimisce are in regular communication with the Second Generation, forwarding the word of Cain to the Sabbat.>They learned fluent Ghemalish in under a week>Nation states entrust their gold reserves with the clan. There's no gold in Ft. Knox, only Ft. Tzimise>The clan are about 7 billion years old, from the space-time reference point of the base human currently accepted by our society>In reality, they are timeless beings existing in all points of time and space from the big bang to the end of the universe. We don't know their ultimate plans yet. We hope they're benevolent beings.
I really don't get the difference between Ventrue and LaSombra.
>>720763852An offshoot Abrahamic cult centered around the legends of one mythologized ancestor is a perfect fit for WoD.
>>720765545Ventrue:>"I don't give a fuck if I go blind. I don't need to see the price tag anyway."Lasombra:>"Woke up in Geneva, oh man, I did it again, didn't I?"
>>720765545Basically Red vs Blu in TF2
>>720765545Ventrue: jewish vampiresLasombra: Catholic vampires with shadow powers
>>720765545>VentruesKings and Nobles, control through power, influence over society through the economy and politics>LasombraClergy, Control through the heart and soul of man, influence over society through religion
>>720763852But vampires are okay?
NEVER ask the Ventrue about the Danava
>>720765545With Lasombra there is a non zero chance your sire will be a sexy nun. Ergo they are better
>>720766079>HIGH CLAN SAAR, we brahmin princes unlike those disgusting shudra dalit Ravnos.
>>720760831Malk aren't even a stealth clan IMO. Sure they've got obfuscate but I always associated them more with Auspex and Dementation. Assamite and Nosferatu are THE stealth clans.
>>720766170Why do Indians always talk about the cows in Fallout?
>>720766186Dementation is their signature Discipline, Auspex is them desperately trying to "see" the who's speaking to them from the Cobweb while Obfuscation is them trying to "hide" from it so the voices stop. Obfuscate was always the Nosferatu staple while Assamites' is Quietus.
>>720761129they should just skip making the game and instead do one of those recap summary videos with an AI generated voice over so I can watch it on my phone on the bus with no headphones on my way to my job at Starbucks.
>>720763852This setting includes cultures and religions from all over the world you stupid secondary. We have Ancient Egyptian vampires, saar vampires, pagan vampires, voodoo vampires, African vampires, Chinese vampires, demonic vampires, Mongolian vampires, druid vampires, Italian mobster vampires, Aztec vampires and all sorts of other shit.
>>720766530Ok, what product of Vicissitude is this?
>>720766548I don't think Quietus and Dementation are even disciplines in v5. Will they be in the new game?
>>720724917Fuck if i knoe
>>720766186Part of the Malks MO is somehow getting info they really shouldn't have. They're "Oracles" and a big part of that is their Madness but it also involves simple shit like just noooticing stuff with Auspex and not being noticed when they're sitting in a room where people are talking.They're stealthy through powers but not discreet and talented at stealth and espionage the way Nossies and Assamites are.
>>720765545the difference is small because lasombras were meant to be the edgier ventrue "counterparts" but now they are both camarilla-alignedventrues use words and their fantastic presence/social connections etc to persuade you. lasombras use tentacle rape.ventrue have stone flesh. lasombras big muscleslasombras are all about total domination of the weak while ventrue actually believe in the ways of clemency diplomacy etc even though they also think they are superior.
>>720734312Van damme is one of those cunt actors who hit their stuntmen for reals.
>>720767150Yeah but he was in Bloodsport and could do the splits so that makes him a pretty cool guy
>>720766840As opposed to a bunch of Clans having special snowflake powers things were consolidated to be roughly based on what they do, but clan tradition just makes them manifest differently. Which to be fair they already sort of were. Dementation was essentially Dominate but with a Shcizo twist. Both Protean and Viccistude are about changing forms, the Tzimsce just mixed in a bit of demon sorcery to make it kinkier. Serpentis was literally just snake themed Gangrel Protean.
>>720740115Why not, though?
>>720740340It's counter-culture and now the liberals are usually in charge, so the counter-culture is now to be racist and sexist. It makes perfect sense.
>>720741757According to varg, he's never been on wellfare, though.
>>720741268>rural villagesSome maybe but I think a lot of them live like actual wild animals and look like cryptids essentially.
>>720748476melee attacks and protean above 30fps is almost useless because the last swing wont hit the target but at 30fps you can hit the war form combo every time and delete most supernaturals in one combothe limiter really does make a difference
>>720746041Damn. Now you made me sad..
>>720767642Britain.Germany.Sweden.Norway.Austria.New Zealand.Canada.Australia.France.Spain.Quite a few.
>>720759178I'd say Nossies, Malks, and Gangrel are iconic in the sense that they were all Cammy clans (putting aside V5's changes), which are the default faction for the setting. Nossies are also iconic in their own right for being the monsterous sort of Vampire inspired directly by their namesake and Malks...well, Malks are iconic in the TT for all the wrong reasons. It's funny that the Fishmalk, which would be absolutely insufferable at the table, became one of the most beloved aspects of the game adaption.
>>720749006That's gay as fuck bro, don't fall for the mkultra-tier brainwashing.
>>720768060Fishmalk is funny when you're the asshole ruining everyone else's day by being yourself. So, having every NPC get incredibly uneasy around you after realizing you're a lunatic feels fun. Even if you kill someone in-game because the voices tell you to, you're not ruining your experience of the game as a whole (unlike on TT where your GM would get massively analpained by your batshit murderhobo behavior).
>>720767908The Anglosphere is truly fucking retarded
>>720767908tbf the French are just being straight up held hostage by a leader with almost no popular support.
Tzims are objectively the only worthy ruling clan. Unlike Ventrue, Lasombra and Toreador using Magic seduction and brainwashing like faggots, the Dragons actually have to use their fucking brains to govern, since they lack the affinity before dominate and presence>inb4 muh V5>>>/x/
>>720767642They are and you know it. Maybe not right this moment, but they usually are.
>>720766840The pwoers are there, but as so called "amalgam powers", ie discipline levels that demand mastery of two disiplines to be acquired, or in some cases were moved to other disciplines when it made mode sense (for exemple Quietus level one was thrown back into Obfuscate, given the game now allows several different powers for the same level of a discipline, with players allowed to pick the one they want).>>720767382>Serpentis was literally just snake themed Gangrel ProteanGiven the level 5, (that really should have been a Thaumaturgy ritual), I'd say it was just a mix of thematic powers thrown together without much care or thought.>Dementation was essentially Dominate but with a Shcizo twistNot exactly, it also tied to Auspex with powers allowing you to know things you weren't supposed to (and some I've known would say the level one was more schizo presence than dominate).
>>720768880>Unlike Ventrue, Lasombra and Toreador using Magic seduction and brainwashing like faggots, the Dragons actually have to use their fucking blood bonds to governAmended. There's a reason the Anarch Revolt started in no small part in and through that clan.
>>720765545One gets Fortitude and the other gets the coolest discipline in the series
>>720769242>Gets mogged by a Floodlight
>>720769195False news. Now stand still while I graft you to that column.
>>720769242don't sleep on nodiff
>>720725670But, you can play Tremere. Which, appears to be the focus of the game and it's my favorite clan...
>>720769518doesn't seem all that useful against c4 and whatever killed the nu-bloodlines prince...
>>720769838>But you can play a kike clanI'd rather be an inbred revenant than a tr*mere
>>720769970>>But you can play a kike clanBut enough about the Ventrue
>>720769970OY FUCKIN' VEY!
>>720770095Ventards are jeets (we are da CEOs, saar) to the tr*mere kikes
>>720770282Ravnos are the jeet clan you dumb nigger
>>720770521>Context Reading: Abysmal
>>720770647>Heterosexuality: Nonexistent
>>720770521zapathasura redeemed millions...
tremeresisters... not like this...
>>720746041>>720754439>>720760308What are you people even complaining about? It has the same number of dialogue options as Bloodlines 1. When you play with a gamepad, options are arranged in a diamond. When you play with a mouse and keyboard, they're arranged in a list. What more do you want? And don't say "I wish the vaporware bullshit that was Hardsuit Labs's Bloodlines 2 was real."
no
>>720743192>whatever the Sabbat in the game were.Gangrel and Lasombra
>>720743192>plus whatever the Sabbat in the game werebasedthey were based
>>720771071paizuri by lou while the asian lady rims my hairy gangrel anus
>Can't play NosToreador chads... we keep on winning without even trying
>>720771651FUCK YOU
>>720770798I wonder what were the last words of the last Jeetnos Elder were before being slurped by a several thousand year old wight
what generation is the main characteR?
>>720771071I like how you quoted a post with this picture, yet chose to ignore it.
>>720771606This except showing the Ventrue who their real ruler is
>>720772227Why are you posting pictures from the scrapped 2023 dialogue system?
>>720772227Bloodlines 2 doesn't use those facial close-ups, though.
>>720772227Explain what the problem with this dialog system is instead of trying to evade with irrelevant pictures.
>>720773197Show the Lasombra variant
>>720773197he never asked for this
>>720773197>FO4 Dialogue Cross, instead of a list of optionsit's ober
>>720773641I don't think anyone has footage of it.
I went through the character creation wizard in VtMB and "solved" its permutations and how it determines which clan the player should join.Combat - Social - Unarmed: Brujah, GangrelCombat - Social - Melee: Gangrel, TremereCombat - Social - Ranged: Malkavian, TremereCombat - Stealth - Unarmed: Brujah, GangrelCombat - Stealth - Melee: Gangrel, NosferatuCombat - Stealth - Ranged: Gangrel, NosferatuCombat - Intelligence - Unarmed: Brujah, GangrelCombat - Intelligence - Melee: Gangrel, ToreadorCombat - Intelligence - Ranged: Nosferatu, ToreadorNon-Combat - Social - Unarmed: Gangrel, ToreadorNon-Combat - Social - Melee: Nosferatu, ToreadorNon-Combat - Social - Ranged: Malkavian, ToreadorNon-Combat - Stealth - Unarmed: Gangrel, NosferatuNon-Combat - Stealth - Melee: Gangrel, NosferatuNon-Combat - Stealth - Ranged: Malkavian, NosferatuNon-Combat - Intelligence - Unarmed: Malkavian, TremereNon-Combat - Intelligence - Melee: Malkavian, TremereNon-Combat - Intelligence - Ranged: Malkavian, VentrueTimes Appeared:Brujah - 3Gangrel - 10 (???)Malkavian - 6Nosferatu - 7Toreador - 5Tremere - 4Ventrue - 1 (!!!)
>>720773641the clan dialogue variants + seduction + intimidation + persuasion + dominate + dementation + gender + haggle + intelligence/scholarship variants + low humanity variants.
>>720773761Why are people assmad that the gamepad controls have a cross while the PC has a list? Why is this such a talking point? Why is designing a different UI for PC and consoles a bad thing now?
>>720724917Fuck no. Look at the thing in the image you posted, nobody who designs a character like that and then thinks it looks good and is going to work for advertising their game is capable of making a good VTMB game.
>>720773935Anything designed for a console automatically inhibits the PC version.
>>720774006There's a male option for fags like you.
>>720773935Because people are completely retarded please understand.
>>720773935Because this IMPLIES there is a limit of four dialogue options, to adhere to limitations of the dpad presented (dpads can handle intercardinal directions, but the tight nature of UI & the very specific four-pronged cross doesn't seem to suggest that).However, worries can be assuaged if there's evidence of dialogue options going beyond four.
>>720774428>Because this IMPLIES there is a limit of four dialogue optionsIt doesn't imply it, there is a limit of 4. The original Bloodlines practically never had more than 4 options. Why on earth would Bloodlines 2 have more than 4 dialogue options? What does it need to have more than 4 for? You literally just pack extra dialogue options into sub-branches.What exactly is the complaint? The original had 4. The sequel has 4. What are people pissing and moaning about?
Don't reply to it.
>>720774740The sequel should be an improvement, but we're fighting for 'good enough'
>>720774938No, it's about reasonable scoping and making dialog choices matter. RPGs settled on 4 dialogue options for a reason.
>>720774938I'd say jumping from Bloodlines 1's "half the dialogue is a single dialogue option" to "2 dialogue options minimum" is an improvement.
>>720724917It won't even be a good game. TCR cannot make good games. They're like Bloober team but even less talented.
>>720774740Residual complaint from the transition from old classics to the modern era - play, say Planescape Torment, and you can see why people were terribly disappointed in the UI Mass Effect introduced, with its comparatively severe limitations.People that were hoping games would with time come to offer more and better options were strongly disappointed, and never really forgave it. Even after the so-called "RPG Rennaissance" tried and amend that.For the record, so far I think the only game that ever justified the dialogue-wheel from a gameplay standpoint was Alpha Protocol.Having reaplayed it recently, I agree with you that Bloodlines 1 barely ever had more than 4 options, and when it did it was supplementary data dumps, for the most part. That said, people were/are dreaming of better.As I was saying in a previous thread, people are not comparing Bloodlines 2 to Bloodlines, but to the fully materialized vision that the game could have been. Hard to win against that.
>>720774428>Because this IMPLIES there is a limit of four dialogue optionsAt least it has 4 guaranteed dialogue options.Your shitty VTMB 1 (which i bet you didn't even play) didn't even offer that lots of times
>>720773821what is "intelligence"??
>>720774938Seems like an improvement when the original barely gave 3 dialogue options, giving just 1 sometimes and most of the time 2.
>>720775429Here's my problem, though. KOTOR 1 and 2 had 4 dialogue options as well. So why was there not outrage over these games? Sometimes it feels like, as you say, we aren't comparing any of these games to the actual games but rather some image of what the games might have been.It feels frankly kind of neurotic. People are losing their minds because Bloodlines 2 has 4 dialogue options, and it's so bizarre to me.
> VTMB 1 would give you just ONE SINGLE DIALOGUE OPTION lots of times, basically a "continue conversation" button> Retards who never played it are tyring to pretend 4 dialogue options in the sequel is "too little"Lmao.I truly can't imagine how lonely and pathetic does someone have to be to go "Today i'm gonna pretend i'm a fan of a franchise i never played and shit on the sequel and claim the original, which i never even SEEN is better"
>>720724917No chanceA shiteating retard like you might like it
>>720775681There aren't enough opportunities in the game, and they're incredibly rare, but there are some dialogue trees that benefit from high haggling, inspection, and scholarship. My wager is that they were less frequent than persuasion/intimidation/seduction/domination checks, but this was balanced via more utility out in the world (better prices, can find items easier, skill-ups). Unfortunately due to the time crunch, you don't really get to experience all of that.
4 options is good
> Timeskip into any moment in a VTMB 1 playthrough> Majority of conversations have either 1, 2 or at most, 3 dialogue options> Retards: REEE VTMB 1 HAD LOTS OF DIALOGUE OPTIONS, THE SEQUEL HAVING 4 IS... LE BAD!
Why are you replying to someone who is openly disingenuous and has admitted to getting paid off
>>720775671>At least it has 4 guaranteed dialogue options.This isn't true, for what it's worth. You've got people complaining that apparently Bloodlines 2 will always force 4 dialogue options. But that's simply not the case. it has as many or few as it needs. The crazy thing is that people see 2 dialogue options and accuse it of being dumbed down. They see 4 dialogue options and claim the game is also dumbed down because something, something, they must all do the same thing. It feels like somewhere along the line a bunch of people online decided they were going to hate this game and no facts would ever dissuade them. You see this with character customization. No matter how many options they add, it'll never be enough. They could make the character fully custom and people would still complain and demand that there be alternate voice options. The goalposts will keep moving and moving and moving because people don't want solutions, they want to be mad.
> Just 2 dialogue optionsREEE THIS GAME SUCKS THE ORIGINAL WAS SO MUCH BETT- Oh this is VTMB 1... n-nevermind!
>>720775885Look, the writing of the sequel being dogshit is a foregone conclusion, so we can only hope it provides quantity to make up for the lack of quality; there are no issues being annoyed we're only getting four terribly written options.
>>720776014>>720776128>includes his channel name for clicks
>>720775796I think KOTOR gets a pass because Light Side/Dark Side: it's a very manichean game/setting, people not only don't expect much nuance, they relish it in a way.That said, haven't replayed it in years, but I do seem to remember KOTOR 2 offered richer sets of choices.
TCR hates Bloodlines so much lol
>>720776143Oh yeah because VTMB 1 clearly had a lot of quality writing. VTMB 1 is so quality Jeanette is in the cover of the game despite being in the whole game for 5 minutes and being completely irrelevant to the plot.
Why are you still replying to it
>>720776128>>720776014>>720775885>>720775758>>720775671>>720773197the REAL issue is that the dialogue is shorter than in 1, leading people to believe the story and writing in this "ARPG" has taken a turn for the worse.
>>720776284>mindbroken by a jokeand there it is.
Some people have always resented the voiced protag thing. This is not a new dispute. CRPG fans hated the push for a more "cinematic" presentation, and the fact is that past a certain point it doesn't matter how well written and acted a game is, or how deep the dialogue trees are, if the main character is voiced, they feel a sense of disconnection because it's not THEM anymore. It's this other character with their own personality.
>>720776362>the REAL issue is that the dialogue is shorter than in 1Maybe it's like Fallout 4 in which the choice is short like "Sarcastic/Angry/Nice" but the actual words being said by the protagonist are longer?
>>720776219i'm pretty sure it's just the shill lmaoive read some of the things they put out and they never mention the game in a negative light.
>720776374Not even worthy of a (you).
>>720776427>it's not THEM anymore. It's this other character with their own personality.Oh no, not the poor self inserters. The female malkavian cheerleader they made is not THEM anymore.Why can't people roleplay as voiced protagonists? You're supposed to put yourself in their shoes,not make them "literally you, but female, and in fiction".People have zero trouble roleplaying as Henry in KCD. People have zero trouble roleplaying as Geralt in Witcher 3.But VTMB 2 fans have trouble roleplaying as a woman who's voiced this time around?
>>720776362>>720776436Why would your go-to be Fallout 4 and not Deus Ex's dialog approach? Would that not seem like a more logical comparison?
>>720776427thisand also that 2025 dialogue will be cringe instead of 2004 cringekino
>>720776554is it really that different?they both look pretty similar to me, but ive never played Deus Ex.
>>720776528To be fair, KCD is an odd case because the player has way less control over Henry's actions in cutscenes than most RPGs.
>>720776374It also has jokes about trannies, makes fun of college commies like Damsel and sexualizes and objectifies women.
>>720776014It's not even 4. In the dialogue with adam jensen you posted, it's actually 2 (confront him or act like a pussy). >>720776112Just like I have said, here's the real number of dialogue options. Two. Either submissive or dominant. No comparison with B1
>>720776691No it doesn't you stupid fucker.
>>720776554I didn't play Deus Ex so i've no idea how dialogue works there but from what i know, Deus Ex has a very VERY restricted WHITE MALE protagonist you can't change.So coming here to cry "wahhh my freedom is being restricted in VTMB 2!" but not crying about it in Deus Ex is strange, specially since Deus Ex doesn't let you be a woman.
>>720774134That thing is the male option though
>>720776738Yes it does, homogay
>>720776729>No comparison with B1True. In Bloodlines 1 your dialogue options were... "Question 1, question 2".
>>720776738Uhhhh
>>720776528RPG is self insertion, you can't roleplay without inserting yourself in the role>KCDMore of an action game with RPG elements than and RPG or an ARPG like VtMB was>Witcher 3.More of an action game with RPG elements than and RPG or an ARPG like VtMB wasThanks for reinforcing that the fags that made this sequel haven't played the og
>>720774134This. Only FAGS play as male. Us real cis males play as WOMEN.
>>720776738>"Estrogen: do not take if male">Stripclubs where women have they titties hanging out, and a console code to make them titties even biggerthis nigga is going berserk over slandering bloodlines 1, it's crazy lmfao
>>720776638The thing about Fallout 4's roleplaying that is contentious is that very few of the dialogue options actually DO anything. They are often just variations of the same thing, and Fallout 4 doesn't have any kind of in-depth character relationship system to make it matter.Regardless of other factors, what Bloodlines 2 is trying to do this is this. Consider this screenshot at the bottom: >>720771071Too much for this prince? (Needle at Ryong's insecurity, imply she doesn't have control of the situation.)Lou assured me of her childe's cooperation. (Be a complete dick and remind her that she's a puppet ruler and her deluciously chunky sire wears the pants.)Perhaps we can help each other. (Offer your services as her little bitch.)I would be most grateful. (I'm a celebrity, imagine what a favor from me could mean if you forgot about my little incident.)These are all nuanced options that shape how you are perceived by Lou, by Ryong, by the fag ghoul whose name escapes me. These are not throwaway options. They mean things. They push the needle on the power dynamics of the city and its leaders.To be honest, Deus Ex wasn't like this, either.
New schizo theory:Since /v/ isn't retarded enough to reply to bait, the shill is replying to herself to pretend like /v/ is retarded for replying to obvious shilling.
>>720776948>RPG is self insertion, you can't roleplay without inserting yourself in the roleNo. Anon. Roleplaying is the OPPOSITE of self insertion. To assume the role of another character is VERY VERY VERY different from literally recreating yourself, or your idealized self into the game.How do you not know this?Do you think when an actor plays a character in a movie they are "inserting themselves"? is Chris Hemsworth the god of thunder now? No. He's a faggy actor who plays pretend as Thor.How do you not know the difference between putting yourself in the story and playing someone else? Are you autistic? Or just trans?
>>720776739>Deus Ex doesn't let you be a woman.Invisible War (and the first game with the female Denton mod) does.
>>720777000>777>000
>>720776994>he thing about Fallout 4's roleplaying that is contentious is that very few of the dialogue options actually DO anything.Woah almost like Bethesda games are less conversation based and your roleplaying revolves around how you interact with the world, which factions you join, what weapons and stats you have, who you kill, how you kill them, etc.Almost like even Skyrim has, at most, 2 dialogue options that lots of times say the same thing anyways.
>>720776670 To be fair; might not be the exact same audience.To which I'll add I personnaly very much dislike voice acting in general because of its limiting influence to conversation options; not to mention how it stiffens iterative development.>>720776948>RPG is self insertion, you can't roleplay without inserting yourself in the roleBut then you don't have to insert into a character you have perfect control over at creation - sometimes not even in session. Playing a one shot in tabletop with premade characters is no less roleplaying than a campaign in which players were allowed to fully tailor their PCs to their convenance.
>>720777000I love bait!
imagine wanting to self-insert in a TTRPG-based game, am i right fellas? less character creation options is sick and based. so anyways, take this partial pre-genned character, since we're going to treat you like somebody that has never touched the concept of an RPG before, because character creation is scary to The Normals (who we are attempting to court with our niche franchise for weirdos), and overwhelming them with options might chase them away. don't worry, our guaranteed install base of creepy weirdos will end up playing the game anyways, because they love everything we do, unconditionally.
>>720777194>(who we are attempting to court with our niche franchise for weirdos)my nigga we like vampires.we're normalfags under a thin layer of 2000s edge.
>>720776014
>>720777271If you've had sex then you don't belong on 4chan
>>720777282That picture is a "Don't open it" joke waiting to happen.
>>720777282You're jewish?
>>720777495
>>720777495BL2 already did the "don't open it" joke, BTW.
Paradox pls send a shill that knows how to shill this is getting ridiculous
>>720777194Self inserters are always trannies. Can't you play a character that's not "literally you"?
>>720777043>No. Anon. Roleplaying is the OPPOSITE of self insertionWrong, you can only assume the role of a other through inserting yourself in his mind. Speaking as he does, thinking and acting as he would.> Chris Hemsworth the god of thunder now? If he's a good actor, he'd think himself such. He'd speak as the God of Thunder would.>>720777153>Playing a one shot in tabletop with premade characters is no less roleplaying than a campaign in which players were allowed to fully tailor their PCs to their convenance.It is in fact.Playing a premade character limits my options to create a character and therefore limits my roleplaying experience
>>720777595It's bizarre that Paradox gave her the ok to use anti-trans tactics. That's usually a no-no in the industry.
>>720777564my cock between rosa's latina tits!
completely fallen apart into 'tranny' obsession, UNEQUIVOCALLY mindbroken.
>>720777616>all RPG players are tranniesBold claim, homogay
Human/white/male/sword & board/Lawful Good/paladin self-inserterbros...I've got some BAD news for you.......
>>720777938I can't believe you have to play as an Ottoman.Surely I can be a good faithful Catholic Lasombra, right?
>>720777710>Playing a premade character limits my options to create a character and therefore limits my roleplaying experienceThat's assuming you should have all/perfect control over the character creation, which,is fair enough as a preference, but goes against the practice of the tabletop genre since basically inception.
>>720778070The Orthodox Church never left Constantinople anyway.
>tfw you're <GANGREL GANG> Autarkis and the v*ntru* c*mmy nerd barks orders at you
>>720778070Ventrue/Male/High Humanity/0 Violations/Always spare humans & always kill vampires, when given the options to.Yep, it's gaming time
>>720777710>you can only assume the role of a other through inserting yourself in his mind.You're taking "putting yourself in their shoes" literally. Grab a dictionary you fucking retard. >Playing a premade character limits my options to create a character and therefore limits my roleplaying experienceBecause you don't know how to roleplay and you don't care for it, you just wanna make your idealized female self in game. Normal men are capable of roleplaying as characters that are nothing like them. I am nothing like Geralt of Rivia yet i have zero trouble roleplaying in Witcher.But you're given a game that doesn't let you customize how you wish you looked as a woman and you have a melty.
>>720778470why did he decide to do that during early winter
Which clan would you guys say fits the story of VTMB 1 the most?Gangrel and Tremere seem so irrelevant. I guess Brujah but Brujah is black and boring... Ventrue could be i guess becuase the prince immediatly takes you under his wing basically but if you betray him, that's not a very Ventrue thing to do.Toreador seem irrelevant too.
>>720778497So he could freeze his balls off and finish his transition.
We're never going to have a VTM thread without this type of discourse going forward, huh?
>>720778524Tremere literally gets you your own haven and has its own ending.
>>720778641>Tremere literally gets you your own havenBut that's not plot, that's just player housing. Nosferatu also gets their unique house.>and has its own ending.No it doesn't, all clans can side with the bald guy
>>720778549Hard to say. If the game reviews super well, gets great audience reviews, and is really popular with great legs, then I think the discussion will change.
>>720778524They're all equally likely to have been sired since no one within LA respects LaCroix. It's more interesting to have a discussion about which ending each clan would primarily aim towards.Camarilla: Malkavian, Nosferatu, Tremere, VentrueAnarchs: Brujah, ToreadorLone Wolf: Gangrel
>>720777938I do self insert a lot, albeit conceiving various versions of me based on different aspects of my personality (for example taking the bad side of my personality to the extreme when i want to play an evil character) , and can also slightly mix up the race (for example halfling in bg2), but vtmb is the only RPG I ever played as a woman and while not self inserting at all, thus actually roleplaying as a total stranger for the first time.Probably because I can't see myself in any of the pc models. Still missing brujah toreador and tremere playthroughs.
>>720734720>i know exactly where things are goingMy theory is they're trying to cure vampirism or else turn an elder into a thinblood.
>>720778124>That's assuming you should have all/perfect control over the character creationNot really, it's a question of degreeI have more control over a voiceless character whose background I decide over a voiced one with a premade story Same way, with a premade character whose choices I make, I have more control than with a protagonist that I can only control during combat or exploration and who makes his own decisions in the story
>>720778836>They're all equally likely to have been siredYeah but if there was no clan choice and the protagonist of the story was always, say, Gangrel, it would make zero sense, the story is not tailored for a protagonist of the "vampires but werewolf" kind.
>>720778951Then your theories are stupid because it's very obvious Phyre diablerized a Malkavian Elder and entered torpor for a stint, and now has to deal with amnesia and Johnny Fishmalkhand in xir mind.
>>720778470>You're taking "putting yourself in their shoesThat's an idiom, you braindead moron. >Because you don't know how to roleplay Evidently I do, and you don't.>you just wanna make your idealized female self in game.I'm sorry you are an ugly trannoid, but don't project your fetishes onto me or my games.
>>720779082That's probably the case but I hope not...diablerie is disgusting and vamPHYRE stealing xir generation from someone else would make it even more lame
>>720765545Lasombra are redundant and don’t really have anything to merit being a separate clan. Like the other anon said, they were supposed to be the edgier Ventrue, but then got merged into the Camarilla and are now just wastes of space. Well, I guess Trujah manages to be more cringe than Lasombra, but it’s close.
>>720779272>Like the other anon said, they were supposed to be the edgier Ventrue, but then got merged into the Camarilla and are now just wastes of space.i hate it when echo-fighters steal roster slots
>>720778524>Gangrel and Tremere seem so irrelevantAre you retarded? Tremere has literally the best justification for a Camarilla endingBrujah and Toreador for an Anarch oneVentrue for a LaCroix, Gangrel for Independent and the others varyOverall, with the anarch tendency of the game and general vibe of rebellion against one's elders and also your siring's unusual circumstances, the anarch clans plus Gangrel are a better bet
>>720779057The story is more tailored towards a Gangrel than any other clan because LaCroix is trying to get the neonate killed and withholding as many resources as possible to have nature take its course. Gangrel are also all but gone in LA. You only meet Beckett when every other clan:>runs the Camarilla (Ventrue)>has primogens (Malkavian, Nosferatu, Tremere)>has an active barony (Toreador)>has active soldiers (Brujah)A Gangrel neonate would've had no one to turn to or explain things, been trapped in a situation they don't want to be a part of, keeps hoping that once they do the next task they'll finally stop being bothered, only to be on the receiving end of a blood hunt and just go apeshit.
>>720779082There's a misconception that surviving diablerie as a mind imprint has to di with age and power of the blood, which comes I think from narrative reasons - the most famous examples all are Antediluvian/Methusala. But the diablerie rule that introduced that element never stipulates that, and following it an elder diablerizing a neonate with could very much end up the victim of it.
>>720766840There’s not even fortitude as a separate skill, only a retarded unnamed damage reduction on feeding, if playing Ventrue. Neither is Presence a thing in Bloodlines 2. It’s just dumb how that game isn’t even trying to adapt Bloodlines 1. Oh, Ventrue specifically have a archetype that focuses more on Fortitude and gets shit done? Well, we’ll just make Ventrue about Domination, and no stats btw, have fun!
>>720779372>Tremere has literally the best justification for a Camarilla endingWhy? Because the bald guy you interact with 2 times in the whole game is Tremere too? You could remove that bald guy who's name i don't remember and the story wouldn't change at all.>Toreador for an Anarch oneWhy? Since when the faggy vampires obsessed with sex and art would become political?>Ventrue for a LaCroixWhy? He tried to kill you, let alone that's the bad ending and you die. Any clan canpick any ending either way, this is not about "T-the square goes into the square hole", this is about if the story has you serving LaCroix to find some sarcophagus how does being an ugly nosferatu fit well as a protagonist.
I pre-ordered the deluxe edition, sorry chuds.
>>720779542>this is not about "T-the square goes into the square hole"Then why the fuck do you care about which clan has the best case for the neonate to be to fit the game's narrative you pretentious twat? Don't reply to me, this conversation is over.
>>720779640> Asks a question> DON'T REPLY TO ME
>>720779729bro... he told you not to reply to him...
I want to become a vampire just to stop pooing and farting all day
>>720779759I do what i want.
>>720779057>Gangrel, it would make zero senseWhy?
>>720779870I want to become a vampire so I can meld into the earth and be left the fuck alone. And also spook women at night.
>>720779870gross
>>720779542>you could remove this important character to the story and it doesn't change at allHahahahaha God you are retardedStrauss is the Camaro ending, you dumb faggot. You remove him and there's no Camarilla ending at allPls stop playing this game and try something similar for children and tards
>>720779990One can do this without surrendering their humanity - just walk around town at night.
>>720780036Except I don't have Fortitude to survive the bullet wounds right now.
>>720780119Ah, urban center. I'm sorry. Yeah, that's fair.
Calamarilla
>>720779963Well for starters they are a ridiculous clan, vampires who are werewovles? and who love wolves? and turn into animals? That's overkill. All the other clans represent aspects of core vampirism. Beauty,nosferatu, being fancy and in control, etc.Gangrel are literally hippie potheads who never wash and are wanna be werewolves. They are a stupid clan and nothing in the story gives them any sort of protagonism or ties to the plot. If you're Brujah at least you bond with the Anarchs and nine, if you're Ventrue it makes sense why LaCroix took you under his wing, etc.Gangrel is irrelevant.
>>720780035>You remove him and there's no Camarilla ending at allAll endings are the Camarilla ending you stupid bitch. Strauss can't die and there's no epilogue or continuation. LaCroix dies,suddenly the anarchs don't rule the city or whatever, the camarilla still exists and the next in line will take over.
>>720780230Bruh they are not werewolves it's more like alteration blood spells. Canonically they are the ones who turn into mist, pools of blood, etc. Utility-based discipline
>>720779082>>720779236Phyre(God what a stupid name) does NOT have amnesia, they just don't know why the fuck they're in America when they seemingly went to sleep in Europe..
>>720780360Ennoia can also turn into a sun or some shit.
>>720780447That's what amnesia is you lint licker.
>>720780230Dracula literally controls the animals around his castle, controls the vermin in London and himself transforms into a large black wolf in after leaving the Demeter. You're retarded. Gangrel are focused around some of the most distinct powers vampires have.
>>720780538being moved while you're sleeping doesn't count as Amnesia.
>>720780601>controls the vermin in Londonhe controls indians?
>>720780715Probably.
Bump limit already? LAAAAME...
>>720780601He is definitely suited for animalism/protean stuff but he doesn't feel like a tzimisce to me at all.
>>720780291>All endings are the Camarilla endingHahahahahah What a dumb faggot holy shit
