ITT: Quirk Chungus Game Design
Fuck of snoynigger, seething because we are getting real games Metroid 4 will be peak of the series just like totk
>>720732216>will be peak of the series just like totkJust a little too obvious fren
This was a jumping the shark moment and I don't care what anyone says
There's something that bothers me about that motorcyclehttps://motorcycleguidelines.com/best-motorcycle-tire-for-desert-racing/
>>720732413It's hard to place exactly why, but it really has that energy.
>>720732120Metroid Prime has always been about immersion and tight level design. This bike shit doesn't look immersive at all, and it most likely separates the level design into chunks, just like in MP3, which sucked.
>>720732880Yea something about the bike seems like it really snaps you out of the immersion Prime is known for. I can't put my finger on why, the games already have third person with the morph ball. Something about the fact that the Morph Ball is still technically Samus.
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>>720734142hahyou're right
>botw bike>metroid bike>pokemon bikeSome salaryman at nintendo really loves his Yamaha
>>720734883this is all an excuse to have Samus star in the next Mario Kart dlcs
>>720732430Yeah, but that shape wouldn't look as good when the motorcycle turns into a suit and the tires become Samus' shoulder pieces.
why is metroid riding a deel doe
>>720732120Seeing this makes me realize one of the things I like about Metroid is how "uncool" it is compared to everything else. Not to say it's not cool, but it's not usually trying to be. Or maybe it's a really cool series that's very "uncool" at heart.One of Samuses defining abilities is she turns into a ball.Her mortal enemies are Space Pirates and Mother Brain.There's that infamous example of Shigeru Miyamoto telling Retro Studios to give Samus a "bugs head" and "what if she could take off her head and swap it with other bug heads" which inspired the visor system. The Prime soundtracks make heavy use of Theremin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYaT704C7_wThere's all the cute dorky little animals in Super Metroid. Hell, all the enemies in the classic 2D Metroid games are dorky creatures. The whole thing frankly feels rooted in the 50's, but updated and elevated into something way cooler. This bike feels like it's Metroid trying to be cool, and that might be why it feels off. Instead of making something dorky cool, it's something that should be cool in concept, a motorcycle, made into some kind of nerdy super techno-bike. It really should have been a jet pack for Samuses suit
>>720735404Somehow I don't think that's the intention.
>>720732120It reminds me of HIRE THAT MAN UE4 demos
>>720735291Now that you mentioned it, yeah, I can see this happening
>>720732120>Quirk Chungus Game DeisgnBut what does that fucking meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan?>>720734017>the games already have third person with the morph ball. >Something about the fact that the Morph Ball is still technically Samus.I forget where I read it, but getting the Morph Ball right for Prime 1 was a very difficult task for Retro, the camera angles, the sound effects, the speed of the transition, they wanted to make sure that everything about it didn't break that immersion that was so important for a first person Metroid game, and they succeeded. The Morph Ball is also distinctly Metroid, so that helps a lot too. The bike is just the Nindendo TM bike that's getting thrown in all of their games now, it feels distinctly alien from Metroid.
>>720736189>But what does that fucking meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan?The game is designed to make you pog and congratulate the devs on reddit
>>720732216>real gamesYes now Metroid is 60+ hours to finish because of 55 hours of driving through empty desert and collecting useless trinkets. The irony is this crap design is right out of the Snoynigger dev handbook. Enjoy the Metroid version of FF7 Rebirth.
>>720736947>Yes now Metroid is 60+ hours to finishThank godI cannot describe the immense dissapointment it was being a teenager, renting Metroid Prime 3 and beating it in less than 7 hours, then feeling so empty thinking I'd have to wait 5 years for the next one (HAHAHAHA, 5 YEARS, LMAO)
>>720737103Metroid games not overstaying their welcome is one of their defining features. They were literally, actually built for speedruns.
>>720737103>More content is good even if it's a choreNiggers like you are how games got this bad.
I cannot wait for this to be the best-selling Metroid game of all time. I already have my pre-order in. I'm happy it's making cubesnoys seethe.
>>720737514It's really cool that you like seeing people mad./sarcasm
>>720737598The success of the Nintendo Switch 2 has made you cubies seethe unendingly, so it's a given.
>>720737854It's really cool that you're an idiot arguing with your own illusions. /sarcasm
>>720738031Seethe harder, cubesnoy.
>>720737325Zero Mission is the most sequence breakable game in the series. By design, not by accident. The developer intentionally built in the abilities and shortcuts that allow the player to break sequence.I say this, in order to point out the irony that ZM-fags only ever appreciate the game's speed. They think that because the mechanics are snappier than Super Metroid, that makes it better. But actually, what makes ZM good in its own right, is how intricately built the world is for sequence breaking.So when I see the open world design for Prime 4, my worry isn't that the game will be longer and slower. It will be that despite the world being bigger, it will lack any of the intricacies that allow for sequence breaking. That it will be big, yet still mostly linear and rail road the player along a strict sequence, carried by story triggers.btw, this is what makes Dark Souls 1 more interesting than Dark Souls 3. While DS3 is more refined and faster mechanically, the world is more linear. While DS1's world is a little more open, feeling like a metroidvania with the way paths connect back in on themselves.
why is the marketing for prime 4 so bad? Its scary as fuck>uh… here is samus.. opening a door… what the fuck
>>720738093Tell me more about the cubesnoys, are they in the room with us right now?
>>720738265For some reason we're not allowed to do interesting marketing anymore. Maybe because "modern audiences" lack imagination and an internal monologue, so when they see something like this they'd get upset that the game doesn't actually look like thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewcljvJQAQA
>>720738265Because the target audience is 8 years old.
>>720738362Besides you? They've been making anti-Prime 4 and anti-ToTK threads for the past 96 hours because the Switch 2 mindbroke your kind.
>>720738741For other nintendo games sure but not metroid. I promise you the average age of the person who cares about that series is around 21 bare minimum
>>720738754I see. It wouldn't happen to be the case that every complaint about Metroid Prime 4 is coming from a "cubesnoy" is it?
>>720737328You are welcome, now give me a 100h+ Metroid Prime game, with haste.
>>720739004Fucking die.
>>720738891>anti-Metroid Prime 4 rhetoric/propaganda is coming from a cubesnoyI'm glad to see you're admitting to it. Not that we were unaware.
>>720738864Nintendo doesn't care, their marketing and target for all media is now 10 and under. Prime 4 looks gay as fuck.
>>720734142>"A beautifully crafted armor found in The [ ] EDIT APPERANCE"
>>720736592ahhh so soulless sony slop
>>720739110Continue to post your delusions.
>>720739053Make it 200h+ Plus add a hub in the spaceship where you can shower, eat, and sleep
>>720732120Snoys lost
>you know what metroid needs?>a 3rd person open world driving sectionwhat the actual fuck were they thinking with this shit?
>>720739401Frankly it's pretty much how everything is designed now. Nintendo first party games, Microsoft games, Sony games, indie games, AA games...Besides the rare example like, idk, Scorn or Cruelty Squad, literally everything is designed by oversocialized freaks who spend 25 hours a day connected to the internet and can't go a minute of that time without being validated. Very few games designed by and for people who are okay with themselves sans social media validation.
>>720739797You never liked Metroid, snoy.
>>720739619Make it 8 hours. 8 incredible unforgettable hours that are fun to go back to again and again. But I'm with you on the spaceship. I actually really liked that in Prime 3. I like the Normandy in Mass Effect.
>>720739797MeI am so tired of all you snoys, Metroid fucking SUCKS balls. And the sell numbers prove it. About fucking time they tried something new
>>720740019No, 300 hours
>>720732120This immediately killed any excitement I had for the game.Metroid fans deserve it for being one of the most obnoxious fanbases
To whom it may concern:As a fan of Metroid (NES), Metroid II (original GB), Super Metroid, Metroid Fusion, Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 2, and Metroid Prime 3, and Metroid Prime Pinball, I will admit that, no, I am not a fan of Metroid.Metroid games are like glyphs that represent what I am actually a fan of. If a Metroid game no longer represents the things I am actually a fan of, I am not a fan of that game. I am not a fan of the Metroid series. I am not a fan of the Metroid brand-name. I am a fan of what Metroid games usually represent. This is something corporations and corporate shills seem not to understand. Hence Disney scratching their heads when people like me stopped being a fan of things with the Star Wars name attached, or when the same thing happened with Microsoft and Halo.
>>720740019Why so short? what kind of story are you going to tell in 8 hours?I don't want another Metroid where you go defeat the 3 temples, and fight the final bossCan we actually get a game that expands on the world, and let's real fans explore and interact with the Metroid universe?
>>720732120I think the bike is lame as hell but I don't really get how it's quirk chungus
>>720739703always found it kind of weird Samus weapons had such strange symbols, until I used the Xray visor and realized she is supposed to make those hand signs to activate them in the arm cannon, it might appear inconvenient, but then again her armor was designed by ancient bird people so yeah
>>720740137No, 3 hours. Actually less than that.
>>720740747>15 years for a 3 hour game>That'll be $69.99 pleaseJUST
>>720740634>Why so short? Because that's the formula, and the formula fucking works. >what kind of story are you going to tell in 8 hours?You play Metroid games for the story?
>>720735605Samus was cool in Dread and it was well received, with stereotypical cool hero posing. It think it's just that the bike is a little too obviously something humanoid and understandable when Metroid design is often intentionally alien in origin and concept. The morph ball defines so much of the imagery of Metroid because it's an alien concept for a person to be able to perfectly morph themselves within a power suit into a sphere of energy.
>>720740823If it's a good game, you'll get hundreds of hours out of a game you can beat in under 3.
>>720740957>Samus was cool in Dread and it was well received, with stereotypical cool hero posing.I actually hated what I saw of it and it's one of of the reasons I haven't played Dread.
>>720740883>You play Metroid games for the story?What else am I supposed to play them for?The boring ass slow paced combat where you spam beam non-stop, and there's zero tactical reason to use one weapon system over another besides opening a fucking door?If you are going to reply ''THE ATMOSPHERE'' then that's exactly my point, give me a lenghy, immersive platformer with sick ass atmosphere, lots of isolated quiet moments. BUT WHEN THE COMBAT DOES COME, MAKE IT FUN, AND DIFFICULT.
>>720741056Okay but I don't care about your opinion specifically.
>>720740968I enjoyed Zero mission, but there's zero reason the game can't be longer than 3 hours. If Nintendo can't do it, its cause they are creatively bankrupt, or unwilling to raise the bar.
>all the mouthbreathers clapping and crying for an Akira slide Xddd>not just on reddit and Twitter but here as well>>720740957>stereotypical cool hero posingThat embarrasing Press A to awesome QTE shit fucking sucked and I can't tell if it's because Sakamoto's a retard or MercurySteamingShit are eternally stuck in Gen 7. Sucks it's become part of Metroid's image.
>>720741673You can just say you're a snoy next time.
>>720741673Times changes, boomerYou will Zoom Zoom on the cuckcycleNext, we turn Metroid into a hyper competitive, skilled based, fast paced combat FPS to elevate, and contrast with the quiet, isolated moments where you are scanning shit like a environmentally conscious hippie.Samus Neck snap stealth animations included, btw.
Sexy action girl on a cool bike is hotIdk about tbe gameplay tho
>>720741143>What else am I supposed to play them for?I certainly don't play Metroid games for the story. Even my favorite Metroid game, Prime 2, which is also my favorite game in general, I recognize as having a bare bones and kind of cheesy/corny story. I'm not playing Metroid for the fucking story. >If you are going to reply ''THE ATMOSPHERE'' then that's exactly my point>give me a lenghy, immersive platformer with sick ass atmosphere, lots of isolated quiet moments.You're an idiot frankly and have no idea what you're asking for. There is so much work that goes into making an atmospheric area in a Metroid Prime game, Phendrana Drifts, Tallon Overworld, Torvus Bog, Sanctuary Fortress, Sky Town, the Pirate Homeworld, the hidden parts of Bryyo, the GFS Valhalla, Planet Phaaze, etc. etc. There is so much fucking work put into designing those places.And those places are good because they are designed, with so much care and effort put into every aspect of them. Asking for a lengthy Metroid Prime game is like asking to eat dozens of 5 star restaurant meals at once instead of savoring the flavor of the one in front of you.Fundamentally immature. >inb4 food metaphor
>>720732120This doesn't mean anything.
>>720741216I feel the same about you, and everyone else who liked Samus "cool posing" in Metroid Dread.
>>720742128It does now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aip2aIt0ROMThis video feels like it's suddenly going to become relevant again.
metroid does not have enough collectibles to warrant any overworld style exploration. 2D metroid could, but doesn't, and prime really can't at all because of the inherent clunkiness of a 3D FPS metroidvania
>>720742113Really?I think you are putting the game on a pedestal is does not belong in, you think too highly of a fairly subpar game with good direction that lacks depth. The Metroid Prime as a whole feels like concept art, there's symbols, and abstract concepts but they are never developed further into a master piece.This became apparent to me with the release of Metroid Prime remaster. Perhaps after 20 years of being a Metroid fan, I've come to realize. Metroid is just not for me.
>>720742679>mindbroken retard too stupid to read >relevant
>>720732120-ACK
>>720742905You're too mindbroken by Arin to actually watch the video, understand, and formulate any real disagreement with his point.
>>720732120i don't get why they'd give her a motorcycle? if you want to give Samus a traversal ability she already has the speed booster/shinespark, which is WAY more interesting in any case
>>720732120why is the bike so low res and low poly?
>>720742885>I think you are putting the game on a pedestal is does not belong inI get to choose what my favorite game is, and you don't have to like my favorite game. >The Metroid Prime as a whole feels like concept art, there's symbols, and abstract concepts but they are never developed further into a master piece.I've spent a good amount of my life studying art history both in college and as a personal hobby. Most masterpieces are symbols. Symbols for something more. You sound like a wordcel who wants everything spelled out.
>>720743521>I've spent a good amount of my life studying art history both in college and as a personal hobby.The tendie brand
>>720742113I'm gonna throw you a bone anon and say I agree with you, Metroid shouldn't be bloated and stuffed with pandery shit, and I'm gonna tell you the secret sauce that's carried the series till now: a unique all-encompassing looming threat that's relevant to the lore of the world you're exploring. Metroids, Phazon, the X, the Dark Aether atmosphere, corruption... Even linear and more dialogue heavy games like Fusion and Prime 3, while not for everybody, work for some people because there's an effort made by the developer to immerse you in the space station's X situation, or because you watch your cool bounty hunter buddy group go insane and be destroyed in increasingly horrible ways. First you come up with one of those, then you write some scannable lore, put in environmental storytelling that showcases both the threat and the history of your current location. Make up some environmental puzzles, come up with engaging navigation-based level design, put in some tough enemies and bosses. Boom, perfect Metroid game.
>>720743641I didn't really grow up with Nintendo and I don't really like most of their games.
>>720743802>and I'm gonna tell you the secret sauce that's carried the series till now>whatever shit you just saidI read your post, but I don't think you know what makes Metroid Metroid.
>>720744319Whatever. It sure as shit isn't the speedrunning potential or the recurring lore memberberries that make fanboys clap. No one would have ever cared about Metroid if the game worlds didn't have an effort to evoke what I'm describing since day 1. Metroid 2 put everything it had into creating that brand of hostile, alien atmosphere on a fucking gameboy cartridge, it is what makes Metroid tick and I'm sure of it.
>>720745129>hostile, alien atmosphere on a fucking gameboy cartridge, it is what makes Metroid tick and I'm sure of it.That's exactly what Metroid is. It was inspired by Alien 1979 after all.The issue with Metroid is that it never really challenges you mechanically to the point it genuine makes you feel in danger, that's why Metroid Prime remaster fell so flat to me.Metroid as a whole needs to be amped the fuck up, and that's probably why Dread worked so well. The combat was actually fun.
>>720745698Wasn't talking to you also Dread is fucking garbage.
>>720742395No, it doesn't.
>>720745803With fans like you, I can fully understand why Metroid has always done so poorly. Times up, boomer.
>>720745129Ah ... no. LOL just no.>It sure as shit isn't the speedrunning potentialBeing short games designed to reward speed has been core to the series from the start. It's something the Prime games have actually failed to do properly with every entry, but it's been a part of the series from the start. Being designed around this is one of the things Dread did right.>or the recurring lore memberberries that make fanboys clapHonestly idk what the fuck you're talking about. Ridley is overused I guess?Zero Mission and Fusion were kinda gay for turning Chozo into ancient Egyptian birds and exploring Samus' relationship with them instead of being an Alien 1979 Space Jockey reference?There is a point, where if you removed certain things, like Metroids or the Varia Suit, or Space Pirates, it probably wouldn't be a Metroid game anymore. I don't think you're entirely wrong, but I think you're wrong and too confident you know what Metroid is. Super Metroid is the best game of all time* and it's because it combines great gameplay, speedrun design, level design, interconnected map, etc. etc. it combines all these near perfect gameplay elements with all of the art and world design that goes into its "atmosphere"
>>720746214>t. offended Chungus
>>720746346>Super Metroid is the best game of all time* and it's because it combines great gameplay, speedrun design, level design, interconnected map, etc. etc. it combines all these near perfect gameplay elements with all of the art and world design that goes into its "atmosphere"Yes, but for some reason you can't add a fucking story to this, and make it 10 times bigger.Its too much to ask of a fucking multi billion company, apparently.
>>720746812Are you actually retarded?
>>720746953Being retarded is a requirement to be a Metroid fan. No one in their right mind gives a fuck about this franchise
>>720746812>Bro, why can't Nintendo just make a game that's as good as Super Metroid, but which is sufficiently different from Super Metroid to not draw criticism for being a mere copy and distinguishes itself as a sequel, and is also 10 times bigger than Super Metroid, while retaining the same extremely high level of quality of design, while also having a heckin' quirk chungusy good story about heckin' space pirate lore or some bullshit, by which I mean either Dark Souls tier retarded "lore" or an Award* Winning* Narrative* like nu-God of War or Last of Us IILike just shut the fuck up
>>720747015Post IQ
>>720735605>Instead of making something dorky cool, it's something that should be cool in concept, a motorcycle, made into some kind of nerdy super techno-bike.What if it was a "horse"?
>>720746346>There is a point, where if you removed certain things, like Metroids or the Varia Suit, or Space Pirates, it probably wouldn't be a Metroid game anymoreThis is exactly what I'm talking about and I wholeheartedly reject your statement. I just wouldn't give a shit if these superfluous things were gone as long as the core idea of Metroid was respected. Also, the speedrunning aspect is an important concept of Metroid but it isn't THE concept, because you described every arcade game with "being a short game designed to reward speed". It happens in lots of videogames and it isn't unique to Metroid at all. What makes Metroid unique is how time and time again it has tried to come up with something unique and terrifying that builds the atmosphere of that explorable world. The Metroids that are and aren't speedrun friendly all have this in common. Even Dread hit with those Emmi robots, as overly quarantined as it felt. A perfect Metroid would not only reward speed but also leave enough signs and details for a slower player to smell the roses and grow attached immersed in the world.
>>720747506I'd like a weird alien horse more than a bike. But that'd also feel a bit too much like BOTW or Elden Ring for my liking. Which is probably the real issue.
>>720747595Hey numbnuts.There is a point where if you removed a certain amount of things that make a Metroid game a Metroid game, it stops being a Metroid game.
>>720747595>What makes Metroid unique is how time and time again it has tried to come up with something unique and terrifyingYea Metroid games are really known for their horrorlmao
>>720747375>NO, YOU CAN'T MAKE A GAME LONGER THAN 3 HOURS, GAMING PEAKED 30 YEARS AGOHoly fucking autism
>>720747810Yeah so let's keep playing with the same fucking toys ad nauseam, Ridley and Metroids forever. I'm not saying remove Samus and the Morph Ball, I'm saying yes, screw the Varia Suit, screw Metroids and screw Ridley and the space pirates, but that last one happened already.>>720747892They aren't Silent Hill but for the standards of a flagship Nintendo series you're god damn right they are.
>>720735605>I love how uncool it is>see all these cool things>I hate these cool things
>>720737103I empathize with these feelings. However Metroid Samus Returns lost me, I bounced off the game before finishing twice. I guess it's more of how lame the content was more than anything.
>>720740716>sudden muscle spasm in hand>arm cannon shuts down from the rapid shift between hand positions
>>720748361Gaming actually did peak 30 years ago. But anyway Zoomers are fucking wild. They can only consume videos that are less than 30 seconds long on tik tok, that contain a joke or a point that can only be summarized in less than 30 seconds, but want to spend 10,000 hours playing empty, pointlessly grindy open-world games, with no sense of purpose or design. Truly mindless.
>Gaming actually did peak 30 years ago.NTA but holy fucking retardation
i like how nobody can make any valid criticism about this game. it's always muh desert biome, muh hyrule field but it's not tied to nostalgia protection.
>>720748402>Yeah so let's keep playing with the same fucking toys ad nauseamYou don't have to like the Metroid series. Have you tried other similar games?There's a game called System Shock 2 that just got a remaster, so it's safe for zoomers now. It's got everything you say you want out of Metroid and not a Metroid, Samus, or a Varia Suit in sight. How about Prey 2017?How about the original Prey?How about the Quake series?Do you play videogames?
>>720750179>illiterate Zoomer thinks gaming is better now because games have thousands of hours of grindy content and buttery smooth controls so you never have to feel or think about anything
>>720750275"It's open world now" is a valid criticism for a Metroid game. Considering the entire series is built around exploring tunnels and caves.
>>720750313>How about Prey 2017?>How about the original Prey?I love how you created your own whoosh moment. Those games are nothing alike, and that's what the anon you're responding to is after.
>>720748402Metroids are already gone and most likely will stay gone from the 2D games. The series is experimenting while still keeping some core items. Hell, we haven't had an ice beam since Fusion.>but samus is part metroid nowNot the same.
>>720750491It's not you fucking tard, lmaoOpen world is the future of video games>>720750409which is why games sure as shit didn't peak three decades prior
>>720749903>I empathize with these feelings. However Metroid Samus Returns lost me, I bounced off the game before finishing twice. I guess it's more of how lame the content was more than anything.Yeah, I thought so aswell. I enjoyed AM2R more>>720750082>Gaming actually did peak 30 years ago.It really didn't. >They can only consume videos that are less than 30 seconds long on tik tok, that contain a joke or a point that can only be summarized in less than 30 seconds, but want to spend 10,000 hours playing empty, pointlessly grindy open-world games, with no sense of purpose or design.Yes, that's why you guys are getting filtered on silksong, and can't stand having to become proficient at new mechanics that require the slight amount of reflexes, or quick thinking. (A game that proved you can have a Metroidvania that is 100+ hours long, with a good story, themes, music and gameplay btw). (Made by 4 retards)>Truly mindless.You are low testosterone pseudo-intellectual captivated by nostalgia, and empty symbolism from a Japanese company that never truly understood the themes it saw in the west. This is why the entirely of Metroid is a jigsaw puzzle of loosely related threads inspired by Western culture, but it can never expand or show depth, because it literally has NONE. The last time they tried this, Another M was the result.
>>720750565>Open world is the future of video gamesThe future of videogames is here. It's Genshin Impact. A gacha open world game, which is purpose built to be addictive, go on forever, and suck money out of retards like (You). It's not meant to be interesting, it's not meant to be satisfying, it's not meant to be a good experience for the player. It's meant to get you drooling like a dog for the next horny gacha character for you to throw your money at. By all means. Enjoy the "future of videogames"You fucking swine
>>720750932>It's Genshin Impact.fuck no, that's a gacha not a video game
>>720750313>System Shock 2 that just got a remaster,That remake, and every one like it suck diseased fucking cocks, if I want to play an older game, I want to experience as much of how it was back in the day as possible, that new gen corpo crap shit smeared on top of it just dillutes it. Anyway, obsessing over iteration and legacy characters/concepts is the death of everything. Metroid has danced around having Metroids and not, coming up with weird shit to replace the Varia Suit or not, reinvented the space pirates three times, so this series makes a very poor case for this. Even abilities skip games. I've grown so tired of people repeating the same things and exploring the same 3 concepts not just in videogames but in every long lasting media series. Metroid in particular is supposed to be about planetary exporation and it's so god damn easy for a new planet to not bring the same three fucking concepts back every time.
I hate that ugly tranny faced Samus so much. It makes me glad Metroid's chance to have its own "Breath of the Wild" will flop catastrophically.
>>720750805>It really didn't.I honestly don't think there is a single 3D game that has reached the perfection of games from the 2D era. And devs are spending all their time trying to make games mindlessly addicting instead of satisfying to play. You have devs like Kamiya at Platinum Games and FromSoft that are headed in an ok direction, sometimes, (Fromsoft games tend to have good and tight design mechanically, but a ton of shitty grindy RPG elements that weigh the experience down) but those devs quickly get drowned out by the masses demanding easy mindless open world slop they can spend thousands of hours on without thinking or trying.
>>720750932>No true scotman fallacy
>>720751174>Anyway, obsessing over iteration and legacy characters/concepts is the death of everything.I would honestly rather the Metroid series just fucking die than become something it's not.
>>720751216>the being a fucking retard who can't use fallacies right fallacy
>>720751203>And devs are spending all their time trying to make games mindlessly addicting instead of satisfying to play.Expedition 33 and Silksong?You are seeing what you want to see to confirm your own bias, there are incredibly satisfiying games that have pushed the boundaries of what is possible in gaming To say gaming peaked 30 years ago is not a subjective preference, its factually wrong.
>>720751203Breath of the WildWitcher 3 WildhuntFallout 4Halo 3DK BananzaSuper Mario OdysseyI could just keep going but you're just going to write them off like a cunt. Not a singular 30 year old 2D game measures up to anything I just listed.
>>720751354Silksong is shit. I have problems with its gameplay, but besides that the whole thing is coated in this vaguely furry/fetishistic aura that disgusts me on principle.
>>720750528You only help my point, Dread is so filled to the brim with memberberries, yet it sidestepped including the series' flagship enemy just like Fusion did. It would be so easy to ask the same people to just come up with new things but people wanna clap for things they recognize forever.>>720751278So shortsighted. Ridley didn't make the Metroid series, and neither did fighting goombas you have to freeze and hit with missiles. You have so many possibilities, yet you wanna play with the same action figures forever. I'm tired of this shit.
>>720751394Besides Halo 3, every game you just listed has awkward imprecise controls, pointlessly "open" worlds, and shitty pointlessly grindy RPG gameplay.
>>720751540>Besides Halo 3, every game youstopped reading there, how come I knew exactly what you were going to do. why are you such a predictable shitter
>>720751394You can't be much older than twelve.
>>720732216>real gamesLol, lmao even
>>720750528Ice beam just turned to ice missile
>>720751443>Silksong is shit.I expected no less from you>I have problems with its gameplayLet me guess. Can't pogo, and keep falling in the lava, boomer?>but besides that the whole thing is coated in this vaguely furry/fetishistic aura that disgusts me on principle.Absolute cope. Silksong is anti-troon by virtue if being beautiful, which is the anti-thesis of anything that could ever spawn from Frankfurt's school of economics.
>>720751668I'm older than you
>>720751537>So shortsighted.No, it's the right way to look at things.As a fan of most Metroid games, I really REALLY would rather Metroid die, than become something other than what it is. There's no reason to continue a series like Metroid past the point of grace. If the people want something like Metroid, but with all these shitty new elements in it, they could just make a new series. (games like Destiny, Subnautica, and No Man's Sky essentially are this already - a lot of the same surface elements from Metroid Prime but much much shittier design and gameplay. On the 2D side of things you have shitgamez like Silk Song. If Metroid ends as a series, that opens room for something new to take its place)I would rather they stop making Metroid games than try to force Metroid to be something un-Metroid.
>>720751639Maybe it's because you listed several of the exact same sort of open world grindy slop game, except for one game which has some semblance of being an old school arena shooter.
>>720752072>Maybe it's because you listed several of the exact samestopped right there, what a fucking putz
>>720751708>Silksong is anti-troon by virtue if being beautifulIt's ugly as shit. You have zero taste.
>>720752146You are a jaded manRepent before it is too late to save your soul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTicXQYw2ts&ab_channel=Ruba
>>720752108On a fundamental level, every game you listed there, except Halo 3, is an overly casual open world game with artificial difficulty mitigated by grinding. It's been the most popular formula since Skyrim, which I assume is also around the time you were born.
>>720752345I am quite sure my tastes in art and culture are far more refined than yours.
>>720751970I mean on principle I agree with this and I would prefer for things to die out and make way for new ones, but when you have the same monkey doing the same fucking dance for decades, it turns into something truly decrepit and pathetic, way sadder than several layers of failed experimentation. And Metroid is racking up embarrassment from both columns. So yes, you're missing the point hard and being extremely shortsighted. None of the registered Nintendo characters and elements you demand the presence of are what makes Metroid, Metroid, and if they were exchanged for different ones that achieved different results that were faithful to the core of the series, we'd be better of. But who cares. We are getting Samus going super God super chozo 3 in Dread, Kraid, the X Parasite, and Weevil or whatever that cunt from Hunters's name was making his triumphant returning so who cares. Better this than dead huh? :)
>>720752451I think if you genuinely dislike Silksongs art, and music. You have more in common with the trannies you hate than you think. Contrarianism is not a personality trait, bruv. Next you'll tell me Ori and the Blind Forest is ugly aswell.
>>720753052You know, actually I'd rather Dread not have been made. I hadn't realized it at the time, but the series had probably died to me with Other M. I don't like Samus Returns and I haven't even bothered to play Dread. I do think Dread is a relatively good return to form in some of the ways it emulates Super Metroid. From what I've seen of it, I think I like some aspects of its gameplay, the Shinespark puzzles, the way the map is laid out, etc. But no, Dread is a bad Metroid game IMOSamus Returns is a bad Metroid gameFederation Force was a bad Metroid gameOther M was a bad Metroid gameI'd be ok if they stopped making Metroid games. Good things can't last forever.
>>720753406I think if your points of reference for beauty in art are videogames, your opinions on the subject are beneath me.
>>720753596I could have written all this. I agree with all of it. I am completely fine with good things being left unspoiled and staying in the past with no embarrassing sequels being made to ruin them (to this day I refuse to watch past the Futurama "movies"). But people want to keep seeing the characters they like and clapping, which is why I would rather Metroid be reinvented into something GOOD rather than the pandery half measures we've seen. I got Dread second hand and I may get Beyond, but these are the only mainline Nintendo games I've bothered with since the Switch made their games worse and more expensive and iterative. I'm fine with upcoming Nintendo games not being for me. It's not like there's a lack of good things to play, new and old, for free in many cases. So fuck franchises that never end is what I'm getting at.
>>720753596>>720754168fuck doomerswe ride
>>720746812>Yes, but for some reason you can't add a fucking storynobody says you cant add a story you stupid fuck. super metroid has a story but its very simple and unpretentious. its fitting for the game and its atmosphere and aesthetic. making metroid cinematic with its storytelling is COMPLETELY anti-metroid and it truly just makes me wonder if what i saw in metroid is completely different from everyone else. super metroid and metroid prime was all about the vibe. the vibe was incredible and was communicated quietly and subtly.
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>>720732120Post basically any tranime gacha outfit where they are desperately trying to be slutty and somehow Creative(TM) which just amounts to modified outfits made to be sluttyModern JapSlop is seriously getting more and more like CalArts in nature
>>720734017Its because there's next to no UI and the graphics notably degrade for the open world. Prime 4 goes from looking impressive in the closed spaces to just another Switch game.
>don't even show off her biker babe asswhat's the point?
>>720754168>I could have written all this. I agree with all of it.You say you agree with what I'm saying (I'd rather them not make Metroid games at all than continue to make bad ones) and yet you wrote out a whole paragraph explaining to me (yet again) that you don't actually agree and you'd rather they actually do continue to make "Metroid" games, which bear the title of "Metroid" but have nothing to do with the things that make Metroid Metroid. So you're dumb and gay basically.
>>720754343>Its Ok for my game to be objectively inferior, because that's the definining feature!Metroid storytelling is barebones world building and vibes, which worked in the 90s because the tech couldn't support more. That doesn't make it sacred. Indie titles are out here proving you can have atmosphere, layered storytelling without turning into marvel cape shit.But it's Ok, enjoy your lack of sells and getting surpassed by Indie titles while you get to feel spechul you tastes are so refined, and unique normies could never fathom to comprehend them.
>>720754343>super metroid has a story but its very simple and unpretentious.Yea, Super Metroid's story is so simple and so good. Idk why this dumbfuck wants them to "add story".
FUCK DOOMERSWE RIDE
>>720754703Yeah, but video game stories aren't always good no matter how many layers or atmospheres you manage.There is no real reason to expand on stories except to make Le Reddit theory crafter lorequeers happy. Im not gonna touch the weird passive aggression in the second post
to hell with doomerswe ridehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KueqelEqumo
>>720754615Me wanting Metroid to stop being pandery, like you want, is not the same as me wanting Metroid to get over this blundery period. You're the pig-headed autist here for caring so much about Nintendo approved brand concepts and demanding to see them every entry, lest you throw a fit and all over your bib, so, whatever faggot.
>>720754703>le "objectively"stop just using random words because you learned about them yesterday and they sound interesting and complicated. there is nothing "objectively" better about making a games manner of storytelling more cinematic, more loud and just "more" in general. you are the type of faggot that would see something like Stalker by Tarkovsky and wonder why its not more like a 2010s marvel movie or something. you are the type of person that thinks David by Michelangelo should have color because its "more". You unironically think Super Metroids soundtrack would be better if they were death metal or epic orchestral remixes. You have zero eye for aesthetics and should just stay quiet.
>>720754703You are a pathetic wordcel. You should speak less about things you don't understand.
>>720754708with how much Prime is like Ocarina of Time they might as well add some characters that talk about the river of time for average people at various junctures in the game when they teach you a new missile type
>>720754703>things are only good if they sell!!!!yeah man and mcdonalds is the peak of food and drake is the peak of music. fucking kill yourself you worthless goylem drone
Reminder not to respond to ACfag.You'll know him when he whines about Zero Suit Samus or how Dread was trying to be a Marvel movie.
>>720755059Prime 2 > Prime 1
>>720732120Quirk Chungus Prime
>>720754981A series including the basic elements of itself as a series isn't pandering, it's that series being what it is.
>>720755191sure, i dont disagree. i was just using metroid prime 1 as a quick example to differentiate from metroid prime 3 which i think did storytelling worse by making it more cinematic.
>>720755250but anon, story telling is what that game actually did right..
>>720755218Metroid Rizz
Can't wait for this game to score 94+ OC and have Metroid purists and snoys alike meltdown.
>>720755175Idk who the fuck ACfag is, but Dread was made for the Marvel redditor audience.
>>720755363Oh hey.There he is!
>>720755296prime 3? i disagree. i did not appreciate the melodramatic and dialogue heavy tone and style of 3. the simple quiet atmosphere of 1 and 2 was far superior. not a bad game by any means, just aesthetically inferior.
>>720755361It could happen. I wouldn't even really be mad. Metroid Prime 4 is the only Nintendo game I'm somewhat interested in, and I won't particularly be put out if it's not my thing. I will call it shit though.
>>720754703>um nintendo how do you expect me to play this game without an epic gow4 styled story season pass and gacha mechanics?! it's current year!! what is this diddy aah blud shit ninty?? ToT>>720755175Why would an Animal Crossing fag be so beligerant against Nintendo
>>720755463you disagree? it has actual storytelling, how do you even disagree.
>>720755419>everyone who says anything bad about Nintendo products is actually the same boogeymanGee that sure is a convenient idea for Nintendo to spread.
>>720735605>>720747506It could've just as easily been a hover bike. It just doesn't look sci-fi. It looks like something designed to be a toy.
>>720755591>Why would an Animal Crossing fag be so beligerant against NintendoHe's an Armored Core autist and has a religious belief that Samus should be a robot.
>>720755697>actual storytellingthis is a meaningless statement and 99.9999% just means cinematic capeshit tier bullshit to redditors. super metroid and metroid prime 1 has a great story and you are simply not intelligent enough to appreciate it.
>>720755697>anon is so uneducated he assumes storytelling only exists in cutscenes and lore blurbs
>>720755463U Mos at the citadel was great storytelling, but Prime 3 did it way better.
>>720755762I see. You'd think he know his place, what with Assasin's Creed's reputation being completely in the shitter these days
>>720755846>this is a meaningless statementnot when Prime 1 was all atmosphere and implications. not a single line of dialogue in the whole game. it doesn't have story it has plot. claiming it's a meaningless statement outs yourself as being a retard who cannot differentiate.
>>720755059>Stalker by TarkovskyYou a retard. I've watched that movie, never thought that. I've read Roadside picnic, never thought that. I enjoyed the Stalker series, didn't need capeshit in it. I probably got more hours in Stalker GAMMA than you do. What you guys are is a bunch of snobs with too high of an opinion on your taste, cynical, and hopeless for the future. If you guys genuine think gaming peaked 30 years ago, you've lost the plot.>>720754930>Yeah, but video game stories aren't always good no matter how many layers or atmospheres you manageDoes not mean they should not try. >There is no real reason to expand on storiesYou cannot expect fans of Metroid not to want to see more of the games they are a fan of, its themes, characters and worlds. It'd be idiotic to assume otherwise>>720755061On the contrary, I think mostly in pictures. You are just another oldfag stuck in the nihilistic hole of nostalgia, where things were better 30 years ago, and the future has no meaning. Enjoy your NES ROMS while the world moves on without you, boomer.
>>720755848the term storytelling originates from days of yore when people would gather and recite oral tradition. painfully ironic your greentext
>>720741056Dread was a great game though and by skipping it you gained nothing.
>>720755753Yeah this is my main beef with the bike, it screams "make me into a marketable amiibo Nintendo!". The magitech look they chose for this game is just too plastic-y.
>>720755753>It looks like something designed to be a toy.Funny you should say that...What I don't get is why they couldn't do something that would make a cooler toy. Like you say, a hoverbike. Honestly, even a real life motorcycle would have been cooler. Like Samus on a real ass motorcycle would have been weird as hell, but it would have been memorably weird. Samus on an actual Harley Davidson would have been so much cooler than this lame techno motorcycle middle ground between sci-fi and real life.
>>720756041>You are just another oldfag stuck in the nihilistic hole of nostalgiaRight. I'm the one stuck in nostalgia, sitting here saying I'd rather Metroid die to make way for something new, while you're arguing that Metroid should continue to exist as a brand while losing all semblance of what makes a Metroid game a Metroid game. Tell me, are you a professionally trained retard, or does it come naturally?
>>720756130I gained time spent on better things.
>>720756135I mean fuck dude, she already turns into a ball, so why can't SHE turn into another vehicle?It makes no sense. The whole idea of Metroid is that you're playing as this solitary character with just a weirdass suit with upgrades. You only ever use the ship to get on or off a planet, something she realistically can't do on her own. We've seen her running at insane speeds so why can't she do that now?
>>720732120I thought people were overreacting over the open world meme, and then Samus donned the open world cycle. I finally admit Nintendo is out of ideas.
>>720756041my point with mentioning stalker was that your implication is that more is more when that is not always the case. stalker would not improve with added lens flares, more characters, more events, more more more and more. in fact it would be worse. you have the mindset of that indian retard that thought using AI to add a spinning panning shot to Stalker by taking a scene that was just a static simple shot and adding a spinning panning effect, made it "better". Metroid is not, in essence, cinematic, nor is it story heavy. Metroid is simple story, atmosphere and implications. Metroid should not be dogshit like marvel but it should also not be a good story game like Pathologic either. its not part of its identity and thats what we are protesting.
>>720756130i look at this picture and i do not see metroid at all.
>>720756078>he doubles down on spurious midwittery>he can't into forms of storytelling that aren't verbalMan it really sucks to be (You).
>>720756692irony intensifies
>>720756297That's not me bro. You're so mad at me you've mixed me up with another dude, bro!
>>720756465The thing that sucks is the rest of the game could be fine, in fact for all we know it could be a pretty good Metroid Prime gamebut it's got this shit tacked onto it
>>720756572Stalker would absolutely improve with more storytelling, are you serious? The whole thing that makes Stalker good is the mix of atmosphere, hardcore survival in the pursuit of uncovering the truth of the story it is trying to tell.Literally no one asked to turn Metroid into a capeshit marvel movie, you guys made that shit up yourselves. You are arguing against ghosts in your own mind, not me.
>>720756130relevant
>>720756829What is the image I posted?
>>720732120>>720732216>1 minute apartYes, a very organic thread
>>720756297>>720756297Its not my problem if you don't see potential in the Metroid franchise, and have zero expectations or interest in Nintendo attempting anything new with it. I, as a fan, do. I got plenty of wishes of things I'd love to see, and experience from that Universe, and I don't have to justify myself to some art and philosophy major that thinks he is some kind of high class elite cause he's watched a couple of 40 year old movies. Get over yourself, faggot. Now, that said. Metroid Prime 4 is definitely going to dissapoint me. It's obvious.
>>720756834Sure thing lil bro
Why? This is a FPS.
>>720757078Dude!!!
>>720756904what i am asking is; what does MORE storytelling mean? more bells and whistles? increasing word count for the script? more events? why would that IMPROVE the story of Stalker? the incesseant and relentless obsession with excessive "mystery solving" is also why shows like Twin Peaks went to complete shit with season 2 after the producers forced the reveal of the killer. If everything about the wish granting room, the zone and philosophical musings on God, humanity, history, the mind, etc. in Stalker was "revealed" within its self-contained world, how would that serve the story? how would that serve the art in question? how does metroid become better by having MORE story? it would be like saying Pathologic would be a better game if it had "more" combat with parry mechanics, dodges, weapon types, RPG stats, etc. etc. you want to remove the "essence" of the art in question that made it so beloved in the first place. and maybe metroid is for a new and different audience that does not have intimate experience with metroid, but i personally dislike that and find it to be inferior that metroid is moving in that direction. note that i'm not using the word "objectively" by the way.
>>720757336idk about Stalker, but in Metroid we could receive motivations for characters, build up and payoff, backstory, side character exposition, you know, more story. idk anyone who would argue about story unless it's final fantasy, ie; excessive
>>720757008>I, as a fan, do. I got plenty of wishes of things I'd love to see, and experience from that UniversLet me lay something on you you little twerp. There is no such thing as "the Metroid Universe".There is a brand. The "Metroid" brand. There is an imaginary creature called "Metroid".You think you want more of the "Metroid Universe" But what you actually want is your own universe, the one that (You) are capable of imagining, fed back to you via Nintendo with the Metroid brand logo on it. You could skip that step and just imagine your own shit. Come up with your own goddam universe. But no you'd rather whine on 4chan about how Metroid as a brand should exist forever even when it's starting to not make sense anymore.
>>720732120You know Square Enix invented motorcycles so they should patent that
>>720757228!!!
>>720757668NTABut among actual fans of this series, Prime 3 is one of the least popular entries exactly because it has more motivations for characters, build up and payoff, backstory, side character exposition, and you know, more story. You're at best a secondary but probably really some order of tertiary retard several rungs beyond being a secondary.
>>720732120why is this so aesthetically incongruent with metroid prime? this looks like, and i mean this completely honestly, a cheap unity game. the assets in this picture look low res and low poly in a weird way. it looks so flat and strange like its garrys mod or something.
>>720757853I've also noticed this. When most people are hyped about something, they are expecting something that fits their imagination. A lot of people aren't hyped for Metroid Prime 4, they're hyped for "Metroid Prime 4" ie; the thing they are building up in their head.I'm built different, I'm excited for the exact game Nintendo is delivering and nothing more and nothing less.
>>720758032You can be a fan of Super Metroid and a fan of Metroid Prime 3. You know Super, the one that starts with a voice over and lines of dialogue and cutscenes before letting the player loose in the space station set piece. Sorry you don't like Prime 3, but that's on you.
>>720758117The texture art in the Metroid Prime trilogy was genuinely amazing. Not many people take the time to appreciate it, but it's genuinely incredible. You're seeing why texture work of that quality is important.
>>720757336When I say ''more storytelling'' I don’t mean bloating the script or shoving in cutscenes. I’m talking about the quality of what’s being shown, and the way it’s communicated through gameplay and atmosphere. I’m not asking for extra dialogue.The Metroid I’d love to see would have acts. I’d want a more personal story from Samus, maybe starting on the colony she grew up in, getting a feel for what it’s like to be born into a space colony, their tech, their culture, their social dynamics with other species. Then you actually see what it means for Ridley and the pirates to wipe her family out. That’s the emotional pull: the vengeance, the necessity of embracing the Chozo, and how she became the weapon that turned into the bounty hunter we know.And none of that requires Another M cringe or capeshit cinematics. It could all be done through gameplay, the same way Super Metroid and Prime already communicated so much without words.I don’t think it’s unreasonable for a Metroid fan to want quiet moments of atmosphere, even something as small as spending time in Samus’s ship between bounties, getting a glimpse of that solitary life. I want a Metroid Mass Effect, and I am never going to get it
>>720758250nobody said "zero voiceovers" you stupid fuck. genuinely dont know how to communicate with you as you are coming at this with such bad faith
>>720758117>he posts a picture that looks like the first area in Metroid Prime 1what did she mean by this
>>720758128>I'm built different, I'm excited for the exact game Nintendo is delivering and nothing more and nothing less.I am also built different. I am excited for the things that excite me personally. If Prime 4 is something that interests me enough to make a purchase, so be it. But I have better things to do than waste my time on something that doesn't interest me.
I love how the funny meme cow fell off the face of the earth the instant the game came out because she wasn't a meta pick.
>>720758367It's not about a single voiceover, this conversation was one about what more storytelling can provide. You're acting like a total spaz when all I did was point to Super and what -some- story did for it. Well anon, imagine again what -more- could do.
>>720758385...yeah? maybe you should read it again. i am saying very clearly. read this slowly: why does this, meaning metroid prime 4, look aesthetically incongruent with metroid prime, the franchise. meaning, metroid prime 1, 2 and 3. read this again and again very very slowly before replying.
>>720745698>The issue with Metroid is that it never really challenges you mechanically to the point it genuine makes you feel in danger, that's why Metroid Prime remaster fell so flat to me.I can tell you haven't played Prime 2 on gamecube hard
>>720758437but ask yourself if you're interested in it right now, I think that's pretty important. someone else said it better than I can, they said; I can tell if something is to my taste usually just by watching a few seconds of it. We've gotten more than a few seconds, and I'm already set to buy Metroid Prime 4 on Switch 2.
>>720758479but how come i, and so many other people, feel that what super metroid did was completely sufficient and that it did not need any more? metroid prime 1 has about as much and i never wanted nor do i want more. why did we feel it was sufficient, then? are we just retards?
>>720755753yeah, i don't know what specifically but there's something that feels very plastic about it.
>>720758250You're sure making a lot of assumptions about me. I think Prime 3 is better than Prime 1. But I am in agreement with the fans of the series who think there's too much "story" in Prime 3. And by that we mean too many interruptions and cutscenes. Super Metroid has like a minute of direct verbal storytelling total in the entire game. And that's part of why I like the game. It's a game. If I wanted a story I'd read a book or watch a movie or some shit.
>>720758359You want something almost no other actual fans of Metroid want.
>>720758624if you, and so many other people, feel like one old game is perfect, and that a new game shouldn't deviate from it at all, then you're what is referred to as sticking your head in the sand.
>>720758439>she
>>720758623My interest is fucking waning. I went from 100% sold on it, just because it was a Metroid Prime game (although I was willingly overlooking several small things that bothered me about it), to deciding I am going to wait for reviews and word of mouth.
>>720758665>I think Prime 3 is better than Prime 1.good>think there's too much "story"bad>too many interruptions and cutscenes.I felt that way about Prime 1, I felt better about it in Prime 3 where those scenes were used for exposition instead of just the camera angle showing doors unlocking and shit.Prime 3 actually did more with what it has available, I find it something to praise about it.
>>720758748Given what happened to Zelda we can expect his vision of Metroid to be released any day now.
>>720758623the exact opposite happened to me, unfortunately. prime 1 remaster had me interested and willing to give the game a chance despite some concerns, but nothing they've shown from 4 has looked more than ok.
>>720758750NTABut the issue is more like>Michelangelo carves the statue of David and everyone agrees it's incredible>Other artists in the future create inferior sculpturesIt's like you're telling people they're sticking their head in the sand for not liking inferior sculptures to Michelangelo's David as much as Michelangelo's David. Insisting that everyone should like the new things just because they're new, and not for their own merits. Btw, there have been sculptors who have rivaled Michelangelo. I appreciate Jean-Baptiste Carpeaux. And by that I mean to say it's possible for good games to come in the future. But don't ask me to jerk off Metroid Prime 4 just because it has the "Metroid" title slapped on it. There is zero chance it will be anywhere near as good as Super.
>>720758925Who asked (You)?
>>720740957I didnt love samus's portral in dread. a little too try hard. She always had a more cool professional energy about her in previous games.
>>720758750>what do you mean gordon freeman should remain silent? he should be voiced! otherwise you are just sticking your head in the sand and curbing innovation, bro!
>>720759086I am not so sure. Nintendo has been repeating the BOTW open world trick because it worked once, but Prime 4 might be a breaking point because it strays so far from what Metroid is. >inb5 "but Open Worlds were against what Zelda is too!"Zelda fans hate to hear this, but the two NES Zelda games have huge open overworlds. It really wasn't that big of a departure for Zelda, just a departure from the formula of the 3D games.
Awful
>>720759393but Prime 4 is easily going to be the best one
>>720761632i would love to be wrong
>>720759437yeah you're allowing one statue you loved to cloud your judgement forever. what happens when picasso delivers his famous painting, you're just like that's no michelangelo david. maybe even picasso should be making statues.
>>720759502I was responding to a (you), so, you're dumb
>>720732120This looks like one of those random cg animations they used to play on Tech TV at 3 AM
>>720761856you're in luck then, waiting these three months is torture for me
>>720740716it's not that deep
>>720758117It looks a lot like Dread. Same material properties, same lighting and same detail level. I guess that's how games look when you render them more realistically.
>>720761968Picasso fucking sucks dude. His art is infantile. Gimme Dali or Giger over Picasso any day.
>>720758117It's just what PBR looks like, 3D objects are defined by materials with simple albedo textures. The plastic look is a side effect of how modern lighting engines process said materials. In your pic a lot of the granular lighting detail is done at a texture level which is considered bad practice nowadays.
>>720762052I'm so happy for youOr sorry that happened
>>720763974>considered bad practice despite it looking objectively better
>Picasso fucking sucks dude. I'm not disappointed, I'm just thoroughly underwhelmed.
What's wrong with the Gunship, Speed Booster/Shine Spark or Speedball ? Why does she need a bike ? Serious question.
>>720764286I am disappointed. Of course (You) would like Picasso. You have absolutely zero taste and you accept PIcasso uncritically, which is both exactly what I expected AND disappointing.
>>720764438those aren't in the game, the motorcycle is
>>720735605Absolutely agree. When Metroid IS cool, it's effortless. Dread, Prime 4... not effortless. Forced.
>>720758580>I can tell you haven't played Prime 2 on gamecube hardI've literally beaten Metroid Prime 2 5 times, 2 as a 10 year old, and 3 with Prime Hack on my PCMetroid Prime has no challenge mechanically, in the slightest. Unless you don't play competitive games, or you are a 10 year old. There are zero tactical decisions, posiotining is an after thought, you mostly fight 2 to 3 enemies at the same time at most, most of which are bullet sponges. Please don't pretend Metroid Primes are difficult games
>>720732120Seeing Samus driving around a giant boring desert killed all interest I had in the game.
>>720764438None of those can be personified as an AI she rides in order to appeal to the trans/gooner audience who will go "heh heh heh" when Samus sticks her arm cannon in it.Basically you can't draw porn of Samus fucking her gunship. Reddit is going to love this. /sarcasm
Is every fucking nintendo game gonna be open world now? Kinda glad we're not getting a new f-zero if that's the case, better if the series went out with a bang.
>>7207553612D purists have been seething over prime for two and a half decades, you don't have to wait for 4 to release
>>720756920What is this boomer list?>fusion S rank because muh kid brain scary>no AM2RMetroid games all suck with one thing: combat and both Dread and Am2R make it fun. Your list is some combination of old good new bad.
>>720764558Prime 2 is more challenging than Dread which you praised for its challenge
>>720732216>metroid 4 will be the peak of the seriesFusion has been out, anon. And it was peak until dread arrived.
>>720735605That's probably the Cobra influence
>>720764521That doesn't answer my question though.If you made an X-men game where Wolverine cannot use his claws and need to unlock the "Chainsaw" to cut through a wooden door, it would be only fair to ask for the reasoning behind it. Saying that "His claws aren't in this game" is a pretty lame cope. SpeedBooster and Shine Spark might not be prominent in the Prime series but they are still a more logical choice for fast travel than spawning a motorcycle. Doubly so for the Gunship which is a staple of the series, though there may be some underground/indoor locations.
>>720749686There's a difference between things being "cool" (or hot) on their own merits for being interesting ideas, like you get in 1950's sci-fi and things being "cool" because they're posing.
>>720764626It's very close to killing it for me. The desert is so empty.
>>720764940>Prime 2 is more challenging than Dread which you praised for its challengeHow?I've played both extensively in the highest difficulty settings you unlock after beating the game once. Prime is slow, no tactical decisions, it's mostly a series of going from room to room nuking everything with beam + missile combo. Once you unlock the annhilator beam, the only reason you ever change weapons is for doors. You can make the decision of not avoiding hits, and you'll win 90% of the engagements. Dread is fast paced, positioning matters a lot more. Parries, and selecting the appropiate enemy to kill first matters, you can't really tank hits non-stop. Tut it's not particulary difficult either. I don't think Metroids have ever been about difficulty.For Metroid Prime to have combat as interesting as the 2D, it'd need to move towards something similar to DOOM 2016.
>>720763974>In your pic a lot of the granular lighting detail is done at a texture level which is considered bad practice nowadaysbut why is this bad if it looks better and performs better? can someone please just explain this logic to me?
>>720765108That ...That makes a lot of sense if that's an influence on the original game
>>720765498It's bad because it takes a lot of time, manpower, and talent from these pesky and expensive to hire people called "artists"
>>720765436>I've played both extensively in the highest difficulty settings you unlock after beating the game once. Prime is slow, no tactical decisions, it's mostly a series of going from room to room nuking everything with beam + missile combo. Once you unlock the annhilator beam, the only reason you ever change weapons is for doors. >You can make the decision of not avoiding hits, and you'll win 90% of the engagements.I feel the same. Not to mention that traversal in 3D is a pain compared to 2D. Late game I'm not zooming around rooms like I'm supposed to be. I'm blasting every enemy in a game that sucks at being an FPS.
>>720765712i just do not understand how something we were able to do 20+ years ago can not be done now with todays technology truly streamlining the process.
>>720749686>gets filtered by the simplest analogy
>>720765534
>>720765436Boost guardian, emperor ing, and spider guardian (no spring ball in trilogy version) are all harder than any boss in dread. Furthermore, echoes is a far less guided/restricted game in terms of progression>no tactical decisions No metroid has tactical decisions but positioning and reacting with dodge are a big part of prime 2's encounters (ironically the ammo system in echoes is the most "tactical" the series gets with weapon selection)
>>720765436Annihilator beam is incredibly ammo intensive, it's not worth using outside of some scenarios (nevedmind that you get it at the ass end of the game).There's no reason not to use the storm missiles in dread when you get them but you don't complain about that
>>720765793>Not to mention that traversal in 3D is a pain compared to 2D.I agree, I wish the combat was more exciting, it'd actually make the contrast for the quieter moments better imo
>>720765230>Can run at the fucking speed of soundBut yeah bikes are cool I guess ?
>>720766524People who can run fast still get tired.
>>720765837Technology isn't everything. The Prime Trilogy, particularly 2 and 3, look incredible, especially for the hardware they were running on, because extremely talented people were pushing the weak technology to its limits while the artists working on the team were doing incredible work to compliment it. At some point between 2010 and 2014-ish, and continuing on well into the Trump presidency, talent started to bleed from the industry because of feminism and social justice rhetoric becoming popular, combined with increased pressure to be politically correct 110% of the time because of social media. As people are finally starting to realize, sometimes your most talented artists aren't the most politically correct people in the world. So when you demand everyone have "correct" opinions and the same kosher views on things, the pool of people who are both talented and can conform to the demands of popular political correctness all the time, and have no controversies for their entire career, ever, becomes smaller and smaller. So that's a big reason why the "technology" is lost now. We can't hire Joe the white guy who's a really talented artist because he might have misgendered someone in 2018.
>>720766157>There's no reason not to use the storm missiles in dread when you get them but you don't complain about thatTrust me, I've lots to complain about. I am not praising Dread over Prime, they aren't even really comparable since one is 2D and the other 3D.I am just saying, Prime, as an FPS is pretty subpar. >Boost guardian, emperor ing, and spider guardian (no spring ball in trilogy version) are all harder than any boss in dread.Harder in what sense? They got more phases, but they aren't difficult. The spring ball is mostly cancer cause the controls are yanky. I don't remember having ammo issues in Echoes, at the end of the day you can charge beam + missile spam, and win everything. Health and ammo drops are plentiful, every single boss has something you can shoot to get ammo backThe thing Dread has over Prime for all its faults, is that the combat is actually fun. I actually went back to do the Z 57 and Raven Beak fight multiple times because I was enjoying myself, but as always, wishing for more.
>>720766695That's a fair point but come on now. The same argument could be made for any open world game MC.
>>720766695powered armor
>>720766814>stand on treadmill>legs move automatically>can never get tiredBased troll scientist.
>>720766524Speedbooster already exists, just let us shinespark across the desert, it would be great. They could do it up like EXO one, boost to the top of a dune, and then shinespark towards the next one.
>>720766989This is the fucking way. Shift the camera to Third Person and have a fun dash mechanic that can turn into shine spark to reach new areas. Would be peak gameplay.
>>720766723>harder in what sense?Dread bosses are very easy to dodge once you know their attack patterns and telegraphs, the bosses I listed in echoes are not. >I am not praising dread over prime You were in the context of challenge/tactical choice, which you are wrong about for prime 2>at the end of the day you can charge beam + missile spamNo, you can't. The bosses i listed have specific conditions that have them being able to be attacked in certain ways, spider guardian is exclusively in morph ball mode >hard because of controlsThis is a cope >Prime, as an FPS is pretty subparGood thing it's not trying to be an FPS primarily, I wish dread would be more of a metroidvania than an action stealth game though
There's no reason Samus couldn't have simply hovered over the desert. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KJ8NVbrS3U
>>720764897you can place AM2R wherever you want, the list is just first party releases
>>720765230it's more like Batman without grapplehook and gliding, they added the batplane
>>720766989I would say that Samus obtains the Speedbooster during Super Metroid (Metroid 3). Since the Prime series take place before Metroid 2, she wouldn't have access to it yet. However, Metroid Zero Mission fucked it all up by giving her the Speedbooster during Metroid 1. So who the fuck knows at this point. She has a cool bike.
>>720767529>Metroid Zero Missiongod what a cluster fuck that piece of shit
I'm ready for this character to finally do things
>>720767265god, imagineyou press a button, camera switches to third person behind Samus, and she starts hovering 20 feet in the air, the controls switch to something like Zone of Enders and you hover across the desert sniping creatures with your arm cannon.That'd be such a power fantasy.
>>720767870fuck itwe ridehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KueqelEqumo
>700MPH>slower than a zoomer hoverbike from nu-Wars
>>720732120Hoverbike would have been cooler but bike is still pretty cool imo.
>>720767201>Dread bosses are very easy to dodge once you know their attack patterns and telegraphs, the bosses I listed in echoes are not.Metroids are not difficult, Dread is more fun in its combat, there's not much to learn from Bosses in Prime. 90% of them you kill by spamming super missileSame goes for the mobs>>720767201>No, you can't. The bosses i listed have specific conditions that have them being able to be attacked in certain ways, spider guardian is exclusively in morph ball modeTrivialized in the trilogy version where you can spring ball with a button, it was more difficult in the cube when you had to use bombs to jump, even then the whole gimmic of the boss is being patient, there's not much skill involved>This is a copeIt really ins't>Good thing it's not trying to be an FPSIt is, its just not good at it. Most of the game, is combat. Sadly it's just entertaining enough to impress children, and normies that don't play games much. If you've beaten DOOM 2016/Eternal on Ultra Nightmare, you are not going into a Metroid Prime to be impressed by the combat, can we at least admit that?
>>720767820Honestly, even at the time in 2008 when I played Prime 3, I thought of the Sylux tease as the most obligatory/uninteresting sequel tease ever. So far Sylux's return has been as interesting as I expected it would be back then.
>>720732120almost as many polygons in this scene as unreal in 1998. slow and steady wins the race.
>>720767979I see this as a women riding a mecha riding a bike.
>>720767979Bike gay.
Missed opportunity
>>720768130Bike cool.>anon hates this
>>720755250looks like more story back on the menu >>720767979
>>720767529Retro considered putting the speedbooster in Prime 1, but they couldn't find a way to make it work well in first person. I think there's even leftover assets from it still on the disc.
>>720768221I do actually. It's a gay tryhard kind of cool.
Why the fuck was it not a hoverbike or something futuristic and creative at least??Does Retro not have competent designers anymore? did they forget this is a fucking METROID game, a universe with interstellar travel? why would a fucking normal ass wheeled bike ever exist?
>>720768376I'm not watching your shitty "Hire This Man" trailer fuck off
>>720768042>90% of them you kill by spamming super missile You keep saying this but it's not even remotely true, prime bosses (especially echoes) and even some regular enemies have specific conditions and positioning/timing requirements to damage them. And again, Dread is exclusively storm missle spam once you acquire it outside of scripted parries. It's far more efficient to freeze enemies vs super missiles them btw
>>720767870made me think space harrier at frist
>sick guitar riff starts playing
>>720768472>why would a fucking normal ass wheeled bike ever exist?Little did you know, the Lamorn have an extensive culture of motorcycle riding. Not even hyper advanced psychic civilizations can resist the temptation of riding a 400hp massive bike across the desert at retard speeds
>>720758117it doesn't have to look like prime, but it sure as fuck doesn't look good
>>720768472It's not just a normal ass wheeled bike, it's a normal ass wheeled bike ... made out of alien technology. It's not like some rugged piece of Galactic Federation tech, some kind of transport dunebuggy built for practicality, it looks like it was designed by aliens. Presumably the same aliens who have otherworldly psychic abilities and built the hovering robots we see Samus fighting later in the trailer.They gave Samus a normal ass motorcycle.
>>720768667>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV2QeJuMkpg
>>720768042It's not primarily an FPS, most of the game is exploring, not combat >you are not going into a Metroid Prime to be impressed by the combatNobody played metroid for the combat, this is one of the problems with dread since it shits up level design and exploration in favor of action/stealth and combat but that's an entirely different point For the record I've played through all 3 modern doom games on nightmare, multiple times for 2016 and eternal, including ancient gods part 1 before it was nerfed to the ground
>>720768645That's probably a better one. Yea, it goes into 3rd Person over Samus' shoulder and she overs over the desert like it's Space Harrier.That would have been so cool FUCK
>>720768641>Lock>Bunny hop spin around the boss like a retard>Spam super missileThat's the Prime experience, there's nothing fun or difficult about it. You can use dark beam to freeze targets if you want to aura farm, but there's never a point in the game where it becomes a life or death situation if you aren't freezing enemies as crowd control to survive
>>720767979That trailer is cringe but it made me realise zelda is the only nintendo series that actually has good trailers. The promo material for prime 4 has been truly horrific.
>>720768806NTAbut man I like Metroid for very different reasons than I like Halo
>>720769008but it even starts with the holy "haa"s before the riff starts
>>720768967Totk's trailers were all dogshit except for the launch day one, worse than prime 4's in fact
>>720768895Prime would be better if the combat was improved, regardless of whether you feel the game is mainly and FPS or not (which it literally is). There's nothing about improving the combat, and uping the difficulty that takes away or interfeers with the exploration, or puzzles. The reality is that the target demographic Nintendo targets doesn't care for it, since its mostly kids, and normies.
>>720768967the trailer for Zelda was bad though
>itt>People who have never played a Metroid game, try to convince Metroid fans to be mad about a part of the game we know little about
>>720768926I don't think you're posting seriously now, dodge requires timing due to the way projectiles work, not constantly hopping. Spamming super missiles does nothing to a vast majority of bosses, if not all of them
>>720768895I'm sorry but the action gameplay of mainline metroid games is excellent. While it is very true that Metroid Prime is much more of an action/exploration game than an FPS, other games outside the franchise have absolutely great combat where you constantly dispatch enemies every few seconds.
>>720768472you could probably find a better hoverbike design by just flipping through artstation, they're really putting their worst foot forward with this pr
>>720769079I like both, but the only time I really want to feel hyped during a Metroid game is during the ending escape sequence, and maybe some of the boss battles.
>>720769105https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pA0Ia0G9AcYeah but this is one of the best game trailers ever made. I remember TP had some cool trailers too.
>>720769168That, and Metroid fans being mad about the game pandering to fucking casuals.
5 polygons 12 FPS
>>720769256By your standards, it's not since dread is spamming one move (storm missile) which you accused prime of doing. Also the combat focus is a very recent thing with mercurysteam, combat of the 2d games was very simple and uninvolved in the past since they focused on the same stuff the prime games do (except fusion which is just awful in nearly every regard)
>>720768967Odyssey had a pair of great trailers. Probably the reason why Mario outsold Pokémon for once.
>>720769383How? Metroid has never been a hard series.
>>720769227I am posting seriouslyThere's nothing diffcult or interesting about MP2s combat
>>720732216>peak of the seriesthe highest peak in a junkyard is still made out of nothing but junk
>>720769168I love the Metroid franchise and it's perfectly fair and reasonable to criticize things that you think is ridiculous. If it's toxic positivism that you're looking for, there's probably a few Reddits up for your circle jerking kind.
>>720769304I would like if slow ride started while riding through the desert.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaMNseIe_vI
>>720769168retard, the only people who would have a problem with the bike shit are fans of Metroid and know what the appeal is.
>>720769463Anon, you're comparing two completely different genre. Of course you can't have the same sort of intensity and frequency of combat between a 2D Action platformer and a FPS Adventure game. They are two different beasts. Now if you compare Metroid Prime with Halo which has combat at its forefront, you can easily see how combat really wasn't the main focus of the Prime games and it's perfectly fine. On the other hand, Super Metroid or Fusion still holds a candle to many 2 D action games out there because they were meant to be action heavy games -and- exploration due to its much simpler presentation and graphics.
>>720769609>Metroid is about exploring! >Ok. Here is a massive, desert Hyrule Field to explore on a psychic powered bike! >More info to come! >NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!What's the fucking problem? We don't know shit about this section of the game. And if time travel is involved in the plot, it most likely changes as the game goes on or through some other mechanic. Calm the fuck down until we know more.
>>720769929>Now if you compare Metroid Prime with Halo which has combat at its forefrontCLICKING HEADS IS NOT INTERESTING
>>720769983the only problem is that December is three months away, I want Prime 4 and I need it now!
>>720767870Some kind of hoverpack that enabled open traversal would definitely be more interesting, at least aesthetically, and fit a lot more with the whole central conceit of suit upgrades than a separate vehicle.
>>720770004I'm not following, I wasn't making a good faith comparison between Metroid Prime and Halo as games but comparing their difference in scope and design. Metroid Prime is meant to be an adventure game first and and action FPS game second.
>>720769929>FPS Adventure gamejesus dude, just give us what we've seen of Prime 4 already, mouse aiming 120fps FPS
>>720768050>so far sylux's returnthe game isn't even out yet he's been visible for a grand total of like 15 seconds between two trailer appearances
The fanbase just got Vi-o-Lated
>>720769983>Metroid is about exploring!No it isn't, Prime is an intricate 3 dimensional puzzle box, its completely antithetical to flat open world dogshit.>Ok. Here is a massive, desert Hyrule Field to explore on a psychic powered bike!there was fucking nothing in it, nobody wants to explore an ugly, empty environment that looks like an asset flip indie game.>More info to come!this is like the 4th time we've seen the game and it keeps getting worse.
>>720770123You're gonna have to wait like the rest of us! That is, until a store breaks street date, as is the norm.
>>720769929>combat really wasn't the main focus of the Prime gamesIt was, literally most of the game revolves about finding upgrades to your goddam arm cannon, which you use to shoot everything, including the doors.It's just not a good FPS, and that's not Ok.
>>720769529Somehow, Nintendo found a way. Hallways are too scary for Zoomers.
>>720770278>Prime is an intricate 3-dimensional puzzle boxNo, it isn't, it's Metroid in first person, and Metroid isn't a fucking puzzle game.
>one of Samus's most iconic features is that she turns into a ball>already has powerups like shinespark and boost ball in her past games>give her a fucking motorcycle to cross vast distances instead of just giving her a fucking morph ball powerup that makes her roll at SANIC speed>
>>720769536NTA, but it is at least a little difficult. It's easy to master so it seems really easy whenever I revisit it, but the first time you play the game it's a decent challenge.
>>720770278>Prime is an intricate 3 dimensional puzzle boxhmmm
>>720770518>Samus is not allowed to have a mid-life crisis>You have to do the cuck run
>>720769738I would have unironically preferred Samus to have an actual irl current year modern day roadhog compared to this weak psychic powered thing
>>720770617This game has the complete opposite problem. Zelda is actually a series about exploration and they completely fucked it by re-using the same map twice.
>>720770406Anon, main combat is literally solved by holding L and dash-strafing now and then. The gameplay was in the platforming, exploration and solving of puzzles with boss fights often being puzzles themselves solved through mechanics instead of skill or accuracy.
>>720770236kek>>720770235Yea, but he was never really that interesting in Prime Hunters. Cool in a surface level way, but he's kind of just an "enemy bionicle" in terms of his character. I bet they'll make him at least somewhat more interesting in Prime 4, but all I'm saying is he was never actually a very interesting hook for a sequel.
>>720770586>but the first time you play the game it's a decent challenge.It was, when I was 9 and it was my second game ever on the cube. Now it shows its age, and if MP4 intends of remaining exactly the same, then it'll be dreadful.
>>720770873>Now it shows its ageDoes it show its age, or did you get better at games?
>>720770756they didn't because of all the additions and changes. and if Prime 4 is remotely as good as peak Zelda (TotK) then we're set, best Metroid yet.
>>720771002Um, sweetie, youre supposed to be mad because it's le different! Get with the times!
>>720754828It just feels too normal and/or out there. It's like a motorcycle someone made themed after her suit.It could've been some Federation vehicle (modern or old) that she finds/gets working. It could've been a hover bike/pod/craft that has the themes of her ship, even looking like it's integrated and deployed from the frame.However the gameplay sections could still be pretty good (just another traversal like the ball) and perhaps the craft even upgrades into something more unique later. I just wouldn't be a pre-order on it.
>>720763974isn't PBR the reason the prime remaster doesn't have beam lighting, since it was baked into the textures in the original?
>>720771065fuck doomers!we ride!
>>720758782She has an udder, anon.
It's my fault. Whenever there are videogame surveys, I ALWAYS say games are more interesting with varied traversal mechanics.
>>720771089>It just feels too normal and/or out there. It's like a motorcycle someone made themed after her suit.It's almost as if Samus obtained a suit... whose base was made by the psychic aliens that used to live on the planet...WHO ALSO MADE THE DAMN BIKE! Congrats, anon! You cracked the code!
Doomers are losing ground..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05PzIjrb7DY
>>720770776>The gameplay was in the platforming, exploration and solving of puzzles with boss fights often being puzzles themselves solved through mechanics instead of skill or accuracy.Neither of which require any skill either. Metroid is a chill, relaxed game for kids, dads, and autists with hypersensitivity to loud noises, and that's Ok. Let's just not pretend its a good FPS when it is not. >>720770945Everyone got better at games, this is why Metroid will have to adapt if it wants to pretend to be entertaining. No one is going to be impressed if it remains exactly the same as MP3
>>720771306>Metroid is a chill, relaxed game for kidsdid we play the same series? it's a foreboding game with a pressing atmosphere where you're always feeling isolated and lost, in danger, something always exploding, always blasting something,
>>720771306>Metroid Prime is a chill, relaxed game for kids, dads, and autists with hypersensitivity to loud noises, and that's Ok. Fixed that for you. And I agree, it never was about it being a good FPS and that's perfectly fine because everything else it has to offer is fun.
>>720771002The underground was shit and the sky areas were minor. why the fuck are you in a Metroid thread pretending everyone is a fake fan when you're asking for it to become a zelda game. Not only is it fucking retarded since that is obviously not their aim, its from the perspective of an idiot who either hasn't played prime or doesn't understand why its special.Also there's nothing more to discuss beyond, the bike segments look shit.
>>720771151who let this cringe tranny in? someone's mom needs to collect their autistic son, he got lost on the way to resetera.
>>720769929They're not different genres, they are all metroidvanias. If you played a 2d metroid other than dread you'd know combat was never a focus, including super metroid which is considered the best 2D metroid for obvious reasons which has very uninvolved combat. Now, improving the combat with dread wasn't an issue, what was a massive issue though was making its main new mechanic awful stealth sections scattered through the map in addition to having hyper railroaded progression and a lack of new, exciting upgrades (tbf the latter 2 issues aren't exclusive to dread, they were present in fusion and even worse there) in favor of focusing more on action/combat.
>>720771524That would be the mainline Metroid games though it's pretty much a hit or miss depending on which title you look at.
There's nothing wrong with the bike. You just noticed that there was barren desert when it was revealed with nothing else going on so it's looks out of place. It's not the bike you have an issue with and are struggling the last 400 posts to try to pinpoint, it's the fact that its concept was added for merch purposes and the gameplay implications have not convinced you otherwise.The design is fine. You can stop scratching your head now.
>>720771263Not your fault the best they could come up with for interesting traversal was the motorcycle from Pokemon SV.>>720771306No ... actually, as a fan of the Prime series, I wanted Prime 4 to be exactly like the other games, the same exact formula, just with a few new weapons and items and new places to explore. I almost literally just wanted Metroid Prime with a new coat of paint. Also Prime 3 had pretty good bosses.3 would have had the best combat in the series if it weren't undercut by Hypermode.
>>720771718Super Metroid has constant combat, anon. There is not a 10 second sequence outside of Ceres station where you're not aiming or blasting an enemy. The same thing can be said of most mainline titles. I actually never played Dread but I heard it was pretty faithful to the series.
>>720771796There are several things I can think of that are wrong with the bike.
>>720771796We know nothing about how the area works besides the obvious having to traverse it and fight stuff, once in a while. So, complaining about it is pointless. >>720771939Like what? It should have been the speed booster? For all we know, it does become the speed booster later.
>>720771524There is nothing wrong with that atmosphere, enemy design, themes or the soundtrack. The game is fantastic on those departments. The combat is just like watching paint dry to anyone that actually enjoys FPS games.Sometimes I like to stand still in MP1 infront of space pirates, and watch the absolute retardness of it all. Half their shots miss, they keep side steeping for no reason, my health barely goes down, I shot a couple of missiles and they die like cucks screaming dramatically, it's all so tiresome.
>>720771796God damn space pirates investing in yamaha.
>>720769929>super metroid>action heavy gameWhat?>>720771914>There is not a 10 second sequence outside of Ceres station where you're not aiming or blasting an enemy. You didnt play it or you are misremembering, super's enemy frequency is no different from the prime games. Your point wasn't even about thr frequency of combat, it was how involved it was which it is not at all in super
>>720771637Underground feels like a Metroid game
>>720772063It's a good thing the Prime series are bad FPSs because FPSs fucking suck.
>>720771859>I almost literally just wanted Metroid Prime with a new coat of paint.called it, thank god Prime 4 will be more innovative
>>720770518I think what would have been even cooler is just giving her a powerup that turns her INTO a bike. It's cool to build upon one of her most famous/befuddling abilities (Morph Ball) and it's simultaneously cool and amusing.Morph Bike
>>720772727>you will never ride Samus in Morph Bike mode
>>720772063I'm glad that space pirates pose a threat nowhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W9xes7BZto?t=303
>>720772548>It's a good thing the Prime series are bad FPSs because FPSs fucking suck.They do if you suck at them
what do we think of the prime 1 suitshould I buy the giant statues of it
>>720772832>all that atmosphere ruining gf grunt dialogue jesus fucking christ
>>720773116>characters in a combat situation isn't atmospherekys
>>720772361I literally speed run the game for fun... Believe me I know Super Metroid down to its very pixels. Super Metroid is literally designed so that every screen has a sequence of enemies from the moment you grab the Morph ball. You are completely delusional if compare the combat frequency of Metroid Prime with Super Metroid.
>>720772026Motorcycles are cyberpunk metroid isn't cyperpunk except for weavel
>>720772832It certainly looks like an upgrade, we'll see how it feels to play
>>720773159metroid isn't supposed to be fucking Halothis shit is what made prime 3 and prime 2 suck balls
>>720732120Looks like Transformers Beast Wars era CGI
>>720772727Wow.. Samus is packing
>>720773376eat ass anon, you are a secondary now
>>720732216Yeah we get games like Mario and uh Mario...
>>720772026>Like what?It looks kinda bad visually, for one.The game was borderline in terms of visuals, pushing the Switch to its absolute limit, but the bike is the blobby shape with low res textures and it just doesn't actually look very cool to me. I have a lot more complaints, but that's probably my biggest one.
>>720772635>bro I called it>I knew, as a fan of the series, you would want a sequel to give you more of the series you liked
>>720773601I knew you faggots just wanted Metroid Prime again. Thank god we're getting something superior.
>>720773008I think this is the best Samus has ever looked and will ever look honestly
>>720773008Prime 1 suit is pretty cool. I think they improved it (the Varia suit) with some very slight changes in Prime 2 and 3 (it's basically the same model in both).
>>720773008Looks wicked. Maybe one of the best Samus designs.
>>720773695prime 1 suit is too bulky and robotic prime 2/3 is the peak or super metroid if you want her to be a tank instead of lithe
>>720773405lmao
ENTERTHE ACTUAL BEST SUIT
>>720773674>I knew you faggot Metroid Prime fans just wanted more Metroid Prime
>>720773228There are multiple rooms without enemy encounters in super, speedrunning any game with combat will put you in an encounter every 10 seconds. Not even dread has normal instances of that with its emmi rooms
I bet 500 that the last phase of the final boss fight will be at the desert while riding the bike and against a kaiju-sized entity
>>720773674do you understand how hostile you sound?>I don't like the series you guys like>therefore instead of just moving on and finding a different series to play, I want to take yours and change itMaybe you're already a fan of metroid prime and you just want something new. I can understand that because I do feel kinda similar. But the way you sound currently makes it seem as if you're a hostile parasitic "fan"
>>720732216>They're trying this trick againReminder they scammed people who were new to Nintendo out of 60 bucks when dread came out saying it would be like Mario Odyssey and Breath of the Wild, and even later admitted they knew Dread was trash but wanted it to be successful anyway. They laughed and stroked their cocks to innocent people being scammed out of their hard earned money. Kill every fucking meteoroid fan.
>>720773008it looks cool but the prime 2 version is the definitive samus power armor
>>720775572reminder they're rereleasing the prime 3 figma
>>720775723figma ballz
>>720775090Do you understand why I'm so standoffish? I was disappointed when Prime 4 was announced and it looked like Prime 1. I told people from time to time I expected it to be open world, that I wanted faster paced shooting. I told told that metroidvanias cannot be open world. I was told that Prime isn't an FPS it's a first person adventure like Myst. I had already played and replayed countless times the Prime games and I was ready for innovation. Then Nintendo finally shows off more of Prime 4, it has better shooting, it has open world, it's the very game I craved. I am surrounded by faggots who just want Prime 1 again. Go fucking play it again faggots.
>>720775090>>I don't like the series you guys likeAnd cram bullshit statements like this clear up your ass
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>>720773839>>720773008>>720773789>>720773918make way, plebs
>>720735605>It really should have been a jet pack for Samuses suitit should've just been the damn speed booster for fucks sake the game has mouse and gyro controls theres no reason why we cant have fps speed booster in metroid prime
>>720776504Speedbooster is obviously and endgame powerup and Samus absorbs the bike after it gets trashed.
>>720776236it's the goatdont even reply
>>720776807Not even the best gravity in the series (samus returns)
>>720776236>dread power that low
>>720776945Dread suit isn't very good, the oversized boots, pathetic shoulders, diaper looking waist area, and the semi-pea shooter canon leave a lot to be desired. On a side note I went into the list thinking other M's varia would be lower but there are a bunch of rank suits in the series that stand out when lined up against the others
>>720773228anon if you speedrun a game you are engaging even less with combat
>>720776092>Do you understand why I'm so standoffish?No.
>>720756920agree, Pinball is underrated
>>720777374It's because you are cunts. hope that cleared things up
>>720732120Well, you have to beat the whole of BOTW (DLC included) before they let you use the master cycle, and it was cut from the sequel.
>>720777598Love you too babe. The bike bothers me, and if it turns out it's like 50% of the game or something and the open world is a huge part of Prime 4 I'll probably avoid this one, and I'd like to be able to say why it bothers me in a public forum.But if that makes you want to call me a cunt that's cool I guess. I'll call you gay.
>>720771305i hate that dysgenic manchild
>>720769168/v/ is prone to bouts of hysteria and overreaction, but the motivation behind the reaction makes sense. Plenty of people are tired of open world elements bleeding into every major release. I'm tired of it. Beyond may not end up being any more open world than an OoT style Zelda, in the end, but in this moment the prospect of taking a series known for being about interconnected world design and a tight, but short experience is definitely unappealing. Also, the bike AND the new suit both look pretty fucking lame.
>>720778090I'm gay for an open world Metroid that surpassed Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom, with actual "dungeons" in Metroid Prime design.
>>720778919That's cool, but I must tell you you are a child with no idea how games are made.
>>720779332I'm playing you the world's smallest violin buddy. I'm getting what I want and December cannot come soon enough.
>>720739797>what the actual fuck were they thinking with this shit?smoking the same shit arkham knight devs were when they thought the game needed battlefield vehicle combat on steroids
>>720776092I don't think anyone is opposed to having better gunplay. Thats why no one minded prime remastered having dual stick controls. Thats why everyone thinks its cool that prime 4 is getting mouse controls.I still fundamentally think that the desert is antithetical to metroid, but I'm willing to try whatever they give us.I'm fine with innovation. I want new things. I'm just skeptical of things that will potentially fundamentally change the way a series would play.
>>720779596Play it for yourself.
>>720781724he is literally me
Bike suit would have saved the game
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>>720782223who is this sexo bot
>>720732216Unless I know for a fact Samus is being sexaully stimulated by her suit in some way, I'm not counting MP4 as a real game.
>>720773008it's my favorite by far, love how glossy it is ingame especially
>>720781724tubesposting?in 2025?
>>720782426Cyclion action figures
>>720776236Where's the final Fusion suit?
>>720735605>The Prime soundtracks make heavy use of ThereminMy favorite song from them. A bizarrely beautiful instrumenthttps://youtu.be/nc0Mv4Iyxvc
>>720777054other m is just a lamer version of a classic design, it's worse but not offensive really
>>720740530It is just and expected that you do not care for Metroid Zero Mission.Personally I am a fan of Metroid series and see it as a counter series and critique of Star Trek almost. Unfortunately your glyphs haven't found purchase in the minds of game developers when it comes to the Prime games.We have lot's of competition to choose from against the 2D games, but nobody even tries to take or learn from Prime. Those are completely unique.
>>720732120Didn't samus has like, running super fast power...?
>>720747892Most of the time, Samus is the horror. He's right though, the bloody desperate business of hunting down and destroying evil is the explicit mission of every Metroid game. Unlike Castlevania, it wouldn't be a Metroid if you just woke up on a planet and had to slowly explore just to find out what you're doing there, even if it had Metroids, Varia Suits, and Space Pirates.Holy diving is Metroid
>>720747810This is how flanderization starts.
>>720732120Something about it feels like the wheels will split and become hover pads or the structure will morph further to become some limited-flight packThere's just so much alien feel to it until you get to it simply being bike shaped for some reason... heck it could've even been one of those cool one-giant-wheel craftThat way it'd have ship-like properties but you also have the morphball-ish trait of looking like a giant sphere except there are different attacks and abilities
>>720754703Just because Metroid is light on dialog doesn't mean it has no story. It's one of the few stories that tackles the responsibility of power over life and death and the consequences of not exercising that power. It shows time and time again when evil is allowed to ferment by bureaucratic concerns and weighing ethical considerations against lives, especially in Fusion. It really was right this time to commit genocide.
>>720735291This or the team at Nintendo really enjoy motorcycles now. Listen to Aonuma's interview when he talks about the motorcycle for Link in BOTW. It is because he likes it.
>>720785135And moving away from what defines a series is how you get "New Coke"
>>720735291$40 DLC for Mario Kart World that takes us to space for Mario Galaxy themed tracks and includes Samus on her motorcycle sounds kino as fuck
>>720747810Metroid could survive if it pivoted to a new character who couldn't morphball and instead could hold and swap between two guns. a Halo ODST of Metroid would go hard.
>>720782328figma balls
>>720786543NoWe live in a real world with real economic pressures. Metroid probably couldn't survive another Federation Force right now.
>>720786543>>720786663A game playing as a sole (or squad-command game) like that would be a side-game anyway, not a replacement for Samus. Even better if it gets to be a half-price, shorter game to more safely test the waters. Either way I see the appeal, but ODST was not meant to usurp the mainline games.
why can't samus just turn into a ball and roll around?
>>720786543>two gunsFuck that, I want a real FPS game, not Halo, that series always sucked ass and was overrated.
sylux won't be the true final boss of the game, its pretty obvious
>>720732120nintendo is fucking shit, ultra jews, they suckSega should have been the one to be saved, not shittendo.
>>720732120It's EXTREME-G
>>720772727>>720782223Ooof, seeing Samus in a Kinetica-esque cycle-suit would've been amazing.
>>720740957Gotta agree with the other replies. Samus feels more 'correct' when she's professional and calm. Everyone should base Samus on what she should be on how she acts in Prime 2.
>>720788736>Fuck that, I want a real FPS game, not Haloreminder Doom is basic bitch shit
>>720737514>>720737854>I'm so glad the people who actually played the prime games are mad.>I'm going to buy this game because it's making the people who love this series mad.I hate contrarians so much because you guys end up making the same decisions as normies that buy slop.
>>720794398Why do you keep trying this angle, I'm not even the trannyme faggot, but you keep acting like everyone who played Prime 1 worships it exactly how it was, and cannot want different. Even when they liked what they experienced; 22 years ago, twenty-two years. You need slapped up side the head and reaffirmed that in twenty-two years that great games have come out, and that the weaknesses of such an old game are on full display if you replay them.
>>720732120Metroid Prime 4 is having the same exact silksong moment where the game's hype goes past it's fanbase and normies who've never touched the previous games hype it up because the Prime fanbase is super excited.Now this could go down two routes.1. It's like silksong was, where it's basically a game made for it's intended audience and normies find themselves disappointed because they expected a normie game when it's a fucking sequel.>2. It's normie game with the "Metroid Prime 4" slapped on it and Veterans find it lackluster because it's watered down and too different, meanwhile normies love it (or hate it and it just flops entirely) and the franchise is completely ruined as it spirals down casualization for the sake of wider appeal.
>>720794246my one nitpick is that prime 2 has her aiming from the hip a few times in cutscenes, which looks kinda bad with the arm cannon, but in general yeah. imo it's really the gesture drawings for 1 that capture the right vibe the most
>>720794569I never said Prime 4 needs to be the exact same. Most of the complaints about prime 4 is that the bike and wide open world sections are stupid and out of place for the prime games.
>>720794569>the weaknesses of such an old game are on full display if you replay them.NTASo are the strengths. And depending on the game, those strengths often far outweigh any weaknesses zoomers think they imagine. Modern games are pretty much only better in terms of how they feel to control (often this is at the cost of reduced gameplay complexity) and in graphical fidelity (which is not the same thing as the visuals being low or high quality - see Unreal Engine demakes having high graphical fidelity while ruining the art style and art direction of their source material).The inability of you younger people to try older games and enjoy on their own merits them is strange.
>>720786909she wants to look cool and trendy, motorcycles are trendy in games now
samus and her fart-powered motorcycle
>>720737514>>720737854I'm having a hard time picturing sex with the LuckiesExcept for everyones favourite idol
>>720752451Good stuff. My enjoyment of the medium has unfortunately been limited to nustuffs as I passively consume/absorb the content mostly from randomly seeing scenery pieces while browsing danbooru and pixiv for other things. If there was a better centralized platform for casually browsing the classics, I might give it a go. I just haven't really looked.
Are the Prime game any good? I've played most 2D Metroids and loved themYeah I even thought Fusion was awesome
>>720799898I feel like 3 is a drop off but for 1 and 2 it's a pretty much perfect shift of the metroid gameplay into first person.Was also one of the first FPS to really nail platforming.
