Now do you remember? Who you are? What you were meant to do? I cheated death, thanks to you. And thanks to you I've left my mark. You have too - you've written your own history. You're your own man. I'm Big Boss, and you are too... No... He's the two of us. Together. Where we are today? We built it. This story - this "legend" - it's ours. We can change the world - and with it, the future. I am you, and you are me. Carry that with you, wherever you go. Thank you... my friend. From here on out, you're Big Boss.
Yeah, it's kino.
It's so cool that I'm Big Boss!
>>720749591We're big boss, together.
>>720749047Why was Kaz so butthurt that Boss went into hiding anyway?
im black, am i also big boss?
>Big Boss's only actual accomplishments were killing a bunch of washed up WWII dudes who wanted to die + Peace Walkerkinda embarrassing resume desu
I wish we truly got that part 3 is a metal gear 1 remake where you now play as solid and kill venom
>>720749717The entire point of Big Boss' operation was to build a place where soldiers wouldn't be used and discarded by governments.By setting up Diamond Dogs/Venom to be a shield for his actual operation he did the same thing that he was supposedly against no matter how he dresses it up at the end
>>720749717Because he was screwed over by Cipher too even through he initially worked for cipher It’s also somewhat implied ocelot had a roll in having kaz captured and crippled so he wouldn’t be able to tell venom was a fake when he found out big boss left him out to manage diamond dogs as a shell of his true goal he went to train solid to get revenge
>>720749981>>720749902Damn everyone just back stabs everyone huh
>>720750158
>>720750158Basically yes, if you are truly loyal in this franchise you are fucked see The Boss and Venom
>>720750158Yes, it's why Solid is the best character by the end of things because he wanted to get it over with and go hang out with his dogs and eat shitty eggs.
>>720750158It’s an endless cycle of betrayal and revenge that ends with solid
>>720750368They are both spies, by the way.
>>720749047Kinovision
>>720749981>>720749902I never understood why kaz worked for cipher
>>720751080Money
Kojima really deflated the status of big boss by making a rando soldier just as capable as him. No need to clone or anything just tell a recruit he's a super soldier and boom he is.
>>720751160the only thing that made big boss's genes special was he really fucking loved killing people
>>720751160>Kojima really deflated the status of big boss by making a rando soldier just as capable as himHe made a child soldier whose only combat experience as an adult was VR shit on par with Solid Snake so is it really that egregious?The mistake is assuming that Big Boss was some super human nigga in the first place when he was just a guy who got elevated off one mission
>>720750593Solid kinda does use/backstab Raiden in MGS2. But it's not direct and it was more of a fakeout than anything. Is it just me, or did Snake really have faith in Raiden because Raiden reminded him of Gray Fox? He's very unsurprised when Raiden reveals to him that he's a child soldier too, it's almost like he already gleamed that from Raiden's eyes in the first encounter.
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>>720750962Kaz was a spy for Zero in the past, but not in the Phatom Pain
>>720751370Snake might be autistic, but he definitely was looking out for the guy. The speech at the end was directed at both Raiden and the player.
The worst part about MGS as a franchise is Ocelotwankholy fuck the amount of cocksucking you have to suspend your disbelief for in order for anything about this character to make sense is insane
>>720751160Big Boss is a fraud who misinterpreted his adopted mothers own will and then had it spiral out of control no one said his idea was bad but he had nukes, and robots that can fire nukes like nigga calm down
>>720749047All an illusionThere is only one Big BossAnd he is also Skull Face
>>720751160You were the Big Boss all along bravo Kojimandad vely vely nisu
>>720751497Pretty much. But I thought it was more-or-less him hiding that from Raiden because he knew Raiden's memories were being suppressed, but at the same time, he wanted Raiden to be free and not end up with the same fate as Gray Fox. So he had to treat Raiden with heavy hands at first, but otherwise had faith he'd do everything right. That speech at the end is pretty much him just telling the truth to Raiden about what he really wants from him (and the player of course). Which only makes MGS4's whole thing with Raiden becoming a cyborg ninja all the more shitty
>>720751303>so is it really that egregious?Its the fact they cloned him thats retarded, thats a lot of effort when you could just tell someone they're awesome and get the same result.
>>720749726That's literally the whole pointHe was never a supersoldier
>>720751620>robots that can fire nukesPlanes, submarines, long range missile systems etc are fine methods to deliver nukes from but putting them on a tank or robot causes solid snake and octocon flip the fuck out about it.What's their problem?
Never forget it was THIS artwork getting leaked that spoiled the ending.
>>720749047And then he sends Solid to kill him.
>>720749717>invest yourself in this organization you feel will revolutionize the world>put your trust in a man to lead you the right way>just kidding, he actually went to build his real shit elsewhere and left you with his LARPer buddy to fuck around for nothing
>>720749717He's butthurt because everything happened because of his fault (allowing Galvez and Paz in MSF knowing they were Cipher) yet he's doesn't want to admit that so he's lashing his anger at everyone but himself (mainly projecting his blame on Huey).BB left him because of this, and he's snapping back at him because he's in "I DIDN'T DO ANYTHING" mode.
>>720753489The metal gears and the Shagohod defining features were they could be ANYWHERE to fire their payloadsYou need silos, or submarines but with the metal gears anywhere can be a launch site thats the fear
>>720750125https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThutNUSMDfY
>>720754064Ah I see, thanks.
>>720754064Shagohod still needed a 3 mile long runway, the metal gears could go anywhere to launch theirs
>just another day in a war without end
>>720753557Only thing he did is get a free oil plant from Cipher agent knowing they were Cipher agent, which lead to MSF getting heat because Cipher agent sperged out.He proudly claims he allowed all of that to make MSF big, yet actual expansion of the plant and recruiting soldiers was majorly done by BB, only thing he did was brought trouble and a shitty pre-expansion oil plant (despite this he didn't tell any of his stupid plan to BB)Kaz is a fucking idiot, and a broken angry man who refuses to admit a single ounce of his mistake. BB is well in the right to fuck off without him.
>>720754958and then kaz spergs out to train Solid and dies
>>720754958He seemed to have his shit together after TPP. Even had a wife and daughter.
so how did big boss get to work at foxhound while very obviously being behind Outer Heaven
>>720756094If you count portable ops canon FOX goes rogue
>>720756094This is what I was about to ask.While I can buy that no one knew that Big Boss was behind Outer Heaven until Solid Snake got there, that doesn't explain how he was let back into the US Military after the whole MSF thing.
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>>720749047As I can see /v/ is still not ready for the actual [Truth]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbjpXMHhZ5Q
Why beanerzoomers so obsessed with mgs V? are they retarded?
>>720749717They were gay for each other
>look at how unhinged and violent we are as we mock your religion, aren’t we so much more ethical and moral than you?atheistcucks are fucking deranged
>>720759913their 'culture' is capeshit, rollslop, overrated dei3rdpersonshooter, demake, tranime, beanermouthslop, and gaypop, this generation is doomed from birth and starts to think phantom pain is the coolest thing ever in their life, which is unironically true for gen alpha and younger zoom zoom
>>720760351meds
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>>720756094They literally didnt know and didnt ask, Outer Heaven wasnt much of a threat till MG1/2
>>720749720No darkies
