Demon's Souls vs Dark SoulsWhich is better?
they are the exact same thing
>>720753273Demon's Souls is ethereal kino and the crown jewel of the Playstation 3.Dark Souls has Lost Izalith and the Bed of Chaos.
>>720752834Demons SoulsDs1 copied a lot of the things, like a poisonous swamp with someone protecting a defenseless being with a caring and selfless personality or a boss that makes copies of himself around the arena and you got to find the correct one as they shoot you with magic. and in nearly every single case, DeS did it better
Demons has too many rough edges that are hard to ignore once you’ve played dark souls
>>720753493blighttown is better than 5-2, solely because you can actually roll in swamp and can see your poison meter
DS objectively better in every way. Maybe except the fact that DS doesn't have a firekeeper/maiden. (although, it was fixed in every future iteration) DnS was extremely clunky with extremely bad balance and annoying level design. DnS, according to Memezaki himself, was an experiment most and foremost and a lot of planned things weren't implemented because of the lack of time or experience. DS is what DnS was supposed to be. I'm not saying there are no people who legitimately prefer DnS to DS, but most of the time people who say that DnS is better never actually played it and just want to be contrarians.
>>720752834Demon's needed a romhack that lets you skip 1-1 and open all 5 archstones right away.Also NG+ from the start
>>720752834Demon's Souls is way better overall, more creative, more soulful.Dark Souls has some great areas but a ton of areas just feel rushed and half-assed, and the game would be better off without them. Also I couldn't stand the constant backtracking.
>>720752834Demon's Soul actually has soul, Dark Souls is a cynical soulless cashgrab.
>>720752834You know it.
>>720752834Demon's Souls has Tower of Latria, THE undisputed king of any from level ever
>>720752834DS is 10 times better. the level design in DeS is atrocious.
>>720752834both
>>720753869>bell chiming>PLEASE HELP ME>EEUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHHHHH
im here to fight the demons, im a good guy like you, no I wont explain why im in this cage and please just ignore my strangely sinister monotone voice and evil looking armor, you definitely wont regret letting me out
>>720754008https://youtu.be/y5z2-hpZB1w?si=NWHuVj-9AHA15He3KINOOOOOO
>>720754092my life was so much better before I knew to just kill him immediately every playthough
>>720754008>oooooooooooohhh>aaaaaaaaaaahhhh
>>720754095>>720754008for me its https://youtu.be/nPe_MEnaVs4this still makes me cry from laughter, holy fuck.
>>720754092they definitely learned their lesson from Yurt, Lautrec is a bigger piece of shit and actually fools people
>>720752834Demon's Souls.The first one, and still the best one. Filters zoom zooms big time, because it requires thinking, moving slow and observing the world.
>>720754498doesn't yurt kill literally everyone at the nexus lol
>>720752834DeS atmospheremogs DS, and since that's all that most people care about, that makes it the better game to most. See a list of best games of all time and you'll find a lot of games with no gameplay worth praising (sometimes even downright bad) but almost all of those games will have exceptional atmosphere, music, feel, etc. Not even an elaborate or big story, just pure vibes. That's all that's needed to make the common human shout "KINO" and "BASED" and deem it a god-like game.And no, I did not imply or say that DeS has better gameplay than DS, anon
>>720754570one by one, yeahwhich also makes mephisto's quest irrelevantwhat a nigger
>>720754245https://youtu.be/D6rOY5PeY58?t=25214
whichever gives me more contrarian points
>>720754730hehehe
>>720752834I like the variety of stuff in Darksouls, the music and how much better the controls feel but Demon's Souls levels are way better designed. The locations in Darksouls feels like they just wanted to make something look cool and then they figured out how to loosely make it work as a location in a videogame (Anor Londo and Lost Izaleth in particular). Plus the balancing in Demon's Souls is way better.
>>720754836Balancing in both games was kinda goofy>warding and firestorm to rape the shit out of demons souls
He has POWER over dark souls.
>>720752834Demon, easy, but Dark was a good sequel.
>>720754907Yeah and magic is completely broken in every fromsoft game, even king's field. The difference is that demon's souls has less weapons but more of them remain viable for most of the game while in darksouls you have a bunch of weapons, a lot of them being garbage.
>>720752834reading the Talisman of Beasts description for the first time was without a doubt one of the kinoest show don't tell zanzibart moments in souls games
>>720752834I prefer Dark Souls 1, lengthier, less sickdark, more unique vibe amongst the other games, more ideas and variety, bosses that aren't necessarily great but that aren't necessarily overly reliant on gimmicks, more permissive enemy design, more customization, etc.
>>720752834I find Demons to be more replayable but that might just be because the later areas in Dark are more of a slog past the first playthrough and Demons is rather short. But I like the world in Dark overall more and the interconnected map.
I like Demon's Souls a bit more but I think the reasons why most people prefer Dark Souls are very reasonable
Dark Souls but they are both really good, tendency sucks ass and the game punishing you by lowering it a ton after killing the aggressive npc in boletaria was complete bullshit
>world tendency>hp cut in half unless you waste a ring slot>YurtThere are a lot of mechanics that are just pure bullshit in DeS but on the other hand I feel like the level design is a lot stronger compared to Dark Souls sans the interconnected world of the latter.
>>720756463>tendency sucks asskind of, depends on how you approach the game. for autistic soulsfags like you and me who have played the game a bunch of times with a bunch of different builds, who learn and minmax the different underlying systems, yeah world tendency ends up being a nuisance for the majority of the time. but if you think about the game as an isolated experience a brand new player will go through once or twice, a weird obtuse and slightly punishing mechanic like world tendency serves to further the tone that the game is going for
>>720756849>world tendencyI was thinking about this earlier. World Tendency on its own is pretty straightforward (Do good things to move towards Pure White, bad to move towards Pure Black) but the problem is that you don't know what it affects. There's no way to advance questlines without ping-ponging on the WT chart unless you use a guide.
>>720756849>There are a lot of mechanics that are just pure bullshit in DeSI respect the game for that, added to the mystery of figuring out how the fuck everything worked when I first played it.
>>720757028>World Tendency on its own is pretty straightforwarddying in human form pulls you to Pure Black, and completely irrelevant from good things/bad things
>>720756849Nerfing the HP loss completely was something Dark did wrong.
They're quite disturbing.
I won't cause you trouble. I won't!
>>720757170It's still straightforward. Dying over and over is obviously gonna cause some sanity issues and stray from purity.
>>720752834I love both but I love Demon's Souls just a bit more
>>720757224I find that regrettable and especially the fact they nerfed curse into the ground with updates as well.
>>720757334>Dying over and over is obviously gonna cause some sanity issuesthen it would cause character tendency to go black, not world
>>720757253Is it cheating to dupe these guy's souls so I can upgrade everything? You don't get enough per playthough.
>>720757445>character tendencynever mind I forgot, this mechanic is fucking retarded. glad that one never came back.
>>720757295He fooled the fuck out of me. I went through the whole level with a fine tooth comb and forgot about him entirely in the process. After going back and killing the boss again it finally dawned on me he was the one reviving her. Felt like a retard afterwards.
>>720757595its extra devious because of all the harmless prisoners following you throughout the level, conditioning you into ignoring/not killing him
>>720757224This is one of the very few criticisms that I will accept about dark souls. Making humanity effectively only affect the PvP/summoning system was just a bad move and overcorrection on their part. I think it’s even worse when you consider that for a new player the inconsistency of summons weighed against the threat of invasions makes it a no-brainer not to waste your humanites unless you absolutely 100% need to, but that causes you to unknowingly miss out on content (and not engage in the multiplayer which was a core part of the game) unless you used a guide and I think that’s why this game - as exceptional as it is - really did kick off the current era of playing every new game the first time with a 100% walkthrough open next to you.
>>720757572World and especially character tendency might be the premier example of something that sounds like the absolute coolest idea and mechanic ever that would make the game so much more enjoyable and deeper and exciting, but clashes with normal gameplay so strongly that you basically have to use a guide if you don’t want to waste a miserable 200 hours.
>>720757501yes and I do it too
>>720757821Thats exactly what made me think he wasn't important.
>>720757501Yes but the only people who think anything of it are the same giganiggers who honestly, not trolling, say “if you used x you didn’t beat the game” and used to screech about “exploiters and hackers” for using the PvP megamule instead of wasting dozens of hours farming up every new build they wanted to try from scratch.
>>720754092>Well, what have we here? Do you wish to die so soon?Yurt was pure kino
>>720752834Demon souls.
>>720758360It was before it's timeThey could bring it back now and make a side game around it
>>720752834Dark the the franchise Generalist while Demons is the less refined but more unique predecessor.Because of this Demons has the more dedicated fanabse but Dark has broader appeal.
>>720752834Dark for gameplay balanceDemon for atmosphere
Demon's Souls is just kinoslop
>>720753598>Maybe except the fact that DS doesn't have a firekeeper/maiden. (although, it was fixed in every future iteration)Priscilla was the planned firekeeper
>>720760643>>720760812Interesting how DeS and DS1 have different world designs that impacted later games>DeS Demon's SoulsBloodborneDark Souls 3 Duskbloods?>DS1Dark SoulsDark Souls 2Elden RingNightreign
>>720753598Ds1 has multiple fire keepers. There's Anastasia, the weird spider lady, the Darkmoon covenant girl in Anor Londo, and maybe Elizabeth mushroom, I'm not sure on that last one.
>>720761521Biggest similarity between Demons Souls and Dark Souls 3: you start out in Boletarian Palace / Lothric Castle in the beginning before going on a journey across various regions and returning back to Boletaria/Lothric for the finale with Demon King/Prince Lorian and Lothric before the final boss>“All of Dark Souls 3’s design is basically based on Miyazaki's own personal preference">Dark Souls 3 brings back the Mana/Focus bar from Demon's Souls instead of the Spell Cast system from DS1>Auto-revival (embering) after a boss (or helping as a phantom)>plus you have the five thrones which are a lot like the portals to the different worlds>A hub system like Demon’s Souls. The Firekeeper is literally the Maiden in black fire defense woman" (火防女) which is also the same term for the Fire Keepers in Dark Souls.>Rolling Functions the same exact way as DeS, because med rolling was buffed so fucking hard that the difference between fast roling and med rolling is so small that staying right under the fat roll minimum is required for every build.>Giving the player character clear motivations up front and keeping the end goal in sight, just like in Demon's Souls>Lothric Castle / Great Archives / Cursed Garden is influenced by Boletaria Castle. The run-up to twin princes being 1-3's run up to Penetrator, the corrupted form of Metas>Irithyll Dungeon does indeed have some heavy Tower of Latria vibes, full of backtracking and going from one side to the other for keys>All of the areas fit together like pieces of a puzzle and how everything came together to form one grand world>Inspired by the great, memorable map designs of Demon's Souls
>>720761705He just means you have to level up at the girl instead of any bonfire in the game.
>>720761159The entirety of Artorias of the Abyss was cut content wholesale repurposed into DLC.The Painted World is a reworked cut version of the Northern Undead Asylum and Priscilla is a cut NPC that would've served as the Firekeeper at Firelink Shrine and was likely the missing level up girl of that game. Dark Souls 1 originally having a Maiden in Black type character in Priscilla, whose Lifehunt ability explained why you were able to kill literal gods (since it could kill immortal beings). She would follow you throughout the game and help with the lord soul bosses and such. Plus Velka was meant to be much more important to the plot and tied to Priscilla in some way, additionally New Londo was supposed to have an entire extra level after being drained and not just a short pathway to the boss; there's still some geometry for it in the game, though it's covered by water for the most part. There's tons more too like Shiva having a questline similar to Lautrec with his own Black Orb and other things I'm probably forgetting/don't know about.>Oscar wouldn't die in the asylum >he would have your same goal of re-linking the flame>if you side with Frampt then he would side with Kaathe and viceversa>you'd have to fight him after beating Gwyn to decide the future of the flame
>>720752834What the fuck was the NA cover artist thinking with the DaS cover art?>Helmet looks like its simoutaneously facing and not facing>Shield and sword toward front as well as elbow armor piece which should be facing away>Knee is facing awayCan't make any sense of this fucking clusterfuck, Zanzibart, the cover of the frontback
>>720764382its artorias facing the abysshe's left handed
>>720764382They should have just used the poster armor sitting at a bonfire, both are well designed and such an important part of the game that players will come to love it
>>720752834>that glitch in PTDE where you get softlocked at bonfires by standing up too quick
>>720754092Why is killing Yurt a-okay for tendency while Miralda makes you go neutral from pure white?
>>720765608Miralda is sexier
What is the point of ranking them. One game is a 10/10 and the other is like a 9/10 at worst.
>>720765742Mole sexo
>>720765753Miyazaki's goal with was emphasis on verticality because of Kings Field 2>From a marketing perspective, Demon’s Souls is a project that should have never been initiated.>For game director Hidetaka Miyazaki, the interest was shared. “I’d worked exclusively on Armored Core titles in my role at FROM Software”, he explains. “But I’d always wanted to make a dark fantasy game that drew on the Fighting Fantasy series of books. The Demon’s Souls project was that opening that I’d always been waiting for”. But while Demon’s Souls is heavily influenced by fantasy clichés, in play it appears>Miyazaki: When designing the bosses, I made sure that they would be varied and exciting. I prepared different gameplay and strategies for each one so that players didn’t get tired of the same fight every time. We wanted to surprise players and encourage them to figure out different tactics, to think on their feet.>Miyazaki-san explained that such an approach to level design has always been his preference, and he prefers players to “climb” into areas and experience a form of verticality when moving from area to area. And, the lack of loading screens certainly helps by keeping the player immersed.>Miyazaki: I’m just an employee of the development company, so I can’t directly answer whether there’ll be a sequel to Demon’s Souls. With that said, my personal opinion is that we learned a lot during the development of Demon’s Souls, and there were a lot of things that we couldn’t do this first time, so I’d welcome the chance to create an even better game in the same style if the opportunity arises.Reminder that Miyazaki never thought there would be another souls game after DeS.
>>720765918>emphasis on verticalitylatria is the best example of this, map itself it incredibly small but it feels a lot larger because you keep going up and down
>>720765753So I can talk about two great games in one thread :^)
>>720765753>not mentioning which one is a 10 and which one is 9devilish
>>720765918DaS2 is the worst one, and yet still heavily defended by a few retards, so good for him
>>720766641Michael Zaki didn't work on DaS2 Tomohiro Shibuya designed the base game and Yui Tanimura designed the DLC areas
>>720766641>DS2 out of nowhere
>>720766852>>720766859>Miyazaki never thought there would be another souls game after DeS.Is DaS2 all of a sudden not considered a souls game?
>>720767013i cant even find a source for that. but didnt he literally sign a contract to make three games or some such?
>>720767013Just a reminder>Demon Souls was a spiritual successor to Kings Field, and it was abandoned until Miyazaki picked it up cause he saw potential>Miyazaki wouldn't tell Yoshida about DeS tendency because they'd force him to change it >Yoshida thinks DeS is crap based on an early build that he's shown, and drops all Sony support for it>完成間近の段階でDemon’s Soulsを2時間ほどプレーしたが、2時間後にもプレーを開始した時と全く同じ場所に立ったままだった。>「これは駄目だ。信じられないほど酷いゲームだ」と感じて、プレーを止めてしまったよ。>I played an almost finalized version of the game for about 2 hours, but 2 hours after having started playing I was still standing there at the same location.>"This is terrible. It's an incredibly awful game.", I thought to myself, and stopped playing>DeS actually turns out really well and DEFINED the Souls genre >From naturally aren't too amused by how he handled DeS, so Bamco approach them for Dark Souls>DaS explodes and becomes legitimately mainstream>Yoshida realized that him mistreating DeS the way he did lost Souls as a Sony exclusive franchise>subsequently approaches Miyazaki, offering to fund his next baby and contribute Sony Japan Studio personnel to it>We get Bloodborne>Miyazaki cooking Bloodborne DLC and Dark Souls 3 at the same time >Fans ask Miyazaki why he won't create 60fps patch, says it's up to Sony>Sony shut down Sony Japan studio. They changed the X/O confirm button. Japan don't want PS5 >From go to Bamco for Elden Ring and Nightreign>Miyazaki says it was his idea to make Duskbloods a Switch game, that he pitched it to the Nintendo and that he always wanted to make a PvPvE game and Nintendo exclusive >Elden Ring Tarnished Edition on Switch 2>Miyazaki also said Nintendo encouraged them to include experimental and strange systems and features in their games
>>720767172Wasn't he making Bloodborne during that time?>>720767013i think you're missing a game between demons souls and ds2
>>720767396Jesus, do I need to treat you people like toddlers? DaS2 is the worst of all the games that came after DeS. He thought they'd never get one sequel and they have gotten more than one.Fucking hell.
>>720767289>>Yoshida thinks DeS is crap based on an early build that he's shown>>I played an almost finalized version of the game for about 2 hoursWasn't it the painted world level slice from ds1 that he played? maybe I'm mixing things
>>720766096You may not realize it as you're playing it, but I 100% see the emphasis on verticality that is being mentioned in these quotes. In every single level of Demon's Souls you are doing a mix of either climbing up or down. Seems innocuous, of course, many games have you traveling up and down from level to level, but none have it as such a focal point of design.
>>720767705>In every single level of Demon's Souls you are doing a mix of either climbing up or down. Seems innocuous, of course, many games have you traveling up and down from level to level, but none have it as such a focal point of design.How many times has Miyazaki done it?
>>720767817In DeS? Literally every single level including even the Nexus itself
>>720767639>He thought they'd never get one sequel and they have gotten more than one.Your post and ds2 have nothing to do with his quote, stop letting ds2 live rent free in your noggin
>>720767917Again, is DaS2 not a souls game anymore?
>>720767289>>720767704Translated Miyazaki interviews are hereThe Archives - Repository of lore documents, interviews, art and more https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1MsqQvo7nQGzeifTMbAV5e0gL-5hshof_
>>720753943Level design in Demon's Souls is the best and most consistently good in the series. Level design in Dark Souls is super uneven, you have some great areas like Painted World and Sen's Fortress, but most of the areas range from mediocre to outright bad. The need for 1:1 scale especially causes individual level design to suffer.
>>720767817Climbing the castle in 1, elevators in 2, elevators in 3, descending into catacombs in 4, climbing down to swamp level in 5pretty much all the levels
>>720768085Miyazaki agrees: “It is not a game in which you die a lot, but an experience that keeps you veryaware of your surroundings and tests your knowledge of its contents and systems constantly. Inthe game, armour and weapons are not made for showing off, but for their stats andusefulness. We really wanted players to focus on that part of the game, to feel the joy of havingdefeated challenges because they had made the right choices. But to get to this point, you needfailures, failures from which you can learn”.“Our approach was really to try to sidestep preset narrative”, explains Kajii. “There is no realstory unfolding in front of you. Rather, the experience is all about you and the choices you’remaking step by step. In a sense... I feel like the game returns to the approach of earlyvideogames where you’re anxious at every step. You feel as if death and failure are watchingover your shoulder all the time, but that is tempered by the sense of intense joy when yousurpass a challenge. Those very human feelings are what we wanted to explore in Demon’sSouls, and that’s where the ‘fun’ lies”.
>>720768096>Level design in Dark Souls is super uneven, you have some great areas like Painted World and Sen's Fortress, but most of the areas range from mediocre to outright bad. The need for 1:1 scale especially causes individual level design to suffer.Reminder Miyazaki himself stated that he wasn't happy with Dark Souls 1>Miyazaki shares an interesting comment regarding Anor Londo. While many players have their breath taken away the first time the gargoyles land them in this area and they take in the grandiose sight of this amazing level, Miyazaki doesn’t feel that first moment resonates throughout the zone.>“I like when you first enter Anor Londo, but unfortunately the impact and excitement felt when you first enter Anor Londo didn’t last through the whole gameplay experience, so this is more of a regret in the design.”>Since I had the opportunity, I had to ask what Miyazaki’s least favorite zone from the franchise is as well. The answer should come as no surprise to fans of the series – it’s the lava/dinosaur nightmare known as Lost Izalith in Dark Souls. Miyazaki comments “Don’t want to elaborate on this very much. There was a different person assigned to this area, and although I was involved, I don’t want to pose very many negative comments for his sake. It can be a learning experience for all of us.”>“All of Dark Souls 3’s design is basically based on my own personal preference,” he declares when I ask him about the difference between Dark Souls 3 and the previous two titles in the series. That speaks to Miyazaki’s role as an auteur, too, in an age when games driven by one central, publicly visible figure seem to be less frequent. That, I suppose, is why Miyazaki looks so at home watching over this Souls event from above – this really is his baby.
>>720768023Again, his quote about "creating a better game with these design points in mind" doesn't even apply to DS2 becauseA) he didn't make DS2B) he already made dark souls after demons souls
>>720768336And that's not what I'm quoting.>Miyazaki never thought there would be another souls game after DeS.It's the second game in the dark souls series, a series that he thought would end with demon, and at this point it really does prove just how fucking stupid the fans of it are.
>>720768632>And that's not what I'm quoting.Then why would you say "good for him" and then shit on DS2, a game that he didn't make, for a quote where he talks about >>>>>creating<<<<< an even better game in the same style
>>720768632Anon, what the FUCK are you talking about?
>>720769019Did he not create Demon now? Is it not good for him that Demon's went on to create the DaS games?
>>720769193Motherfucker would you congratulate Warren Spector/Harvey Smith and their 2000 game for spawning the pic related sequel?
>>720752834Shadow tower and Kingsfield 4 *mic drop*
>>720769432Would they be happy to see it get revived? Yeah, I'd say good for them, people want more of that game they made enough to make a new one 8 years later.
>>720753727Demons sharts was made to be an oblivion killer
>>720769737>Would they be happy to see it get revived?Not my question>Yeah, I'd say good for themBut would you personally attribute this game to Harvey Smith, and if an anon asks you why you're comparing HR to OG Deus Ex, would you say "but isn't HR a sequel to Deus Ex," EVEN AFTER learning Harvey had NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the game?
>>720770364What does that have to do with congratulating someone for their work being successful, why is being happy for someone who was there at the start and wanted it to be regarded well getting their wish such an insane idea.
>>720767289>Snoy missed out on monopolizing one of the most influential game series of all time due to their arroganceSometimes there is justice in the world.
DS>DkS
>>720770886I mean, they still got their Bloodborne
Demon's. Anybody who says Dark Souls was a tourist who sucks cock and took pvp seriously
>>720771332Sure, and it was a great game still. But can you imagine the dominance they would have had if From Software was a first party dev for them? Between the entire series and Elden Ring, they're definitely a bit mad they missed out on hundreds of millions in revenue and the gaming zeitgeist for the past 15 years.
>>720771757>>720771708They got Bluepoint to remake DeS :)
>>720769713>Shadow towerI looked it up on Youtube and the gameplay looks like total shit
>>720771757From wouldn't have blown up as hard if Dark Souls was exclusive. Being a multiplat was a huge factor in the popularity explosion of the series.
>>720752834PS3 Demon's Souls original all the way. Dark Souls 1 is near the bottom of my personal souls tier list(only beating Dark Souls 3).
>>720771757>Elden Ring is now the Bloodborne of PS5
Dark is the better game but Demon's has more soul
>>720771887You know what? Fuck you. >unflutes your fluted set
>>720772465they both have the exact same soul in the title
>>720754498>Lautrec is a bigger piece of shit and actually fools peopleNah, he has a voiceline when you first release him that is "now I can get back to work *evil laugh*." I ended up killing him right away during my first blind playthrough.
>>720772248Why does the lighting in DeS/DaS look better than later games
>>720772690Because they have better artistic design.
>>720772465 >At the start of product development, Miyazaki wanted the title of the game to be Dark Race. He would not want to use the word Souls anywhere in the title, as that would remind people of Demon’s Souls and would only make the explanation harder with regards to whether the new game is a sequel or not. So the title Dark Race solves possible legal issues as well as differentiates the game from its predecessor.>However, Miyazaki soon found out that he could not use Dark Race as it had some racist implications.>While searching for a better title, they started using the code name “Project Dark.”>Miyazaki continued searching for a fit title for the new game, and he came up with two candidates - “Dark Lord” and “Dark Ring.”>Dark was confirmed as the title of the Project Dark, and both “Dark Lord” and “Dark Ring” were nominated. We could not get the trademark for Dark Lord, but we did for Dark Ring, so it was decided by then.>However, at around the start of the year, we learned that “Dark Ring” means anus. It was said to mean anus in British slang.tldr Dark Ring was the original name of the game>Dark Ring>The Ringed City>Elden Ring
>>720772730The Nexus looks better than 99% of the areas in DS2, DS3 and ERWhy is that?
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>>720765753>What is the point of ranking them. One game is a 10/10 and the other is like a 9/10 at worst.It's a nonwhite thing to do, constantly trying to put one good thing above the other and trashing the rest. Think about how many of them you see look at an anime and say "my favorite character is X because he's the strongest".
>>720752834Demon Souls if only because i had no idea where to go next in DS1/DS2
Do they ever mention what happened to giants in Demon's? That broken archway is so out of place
>>720752834I applaud Dark Souls' success with the interconnected map, but Demons' Souls took more risks and was creative when it came to boss mechanics and weird items/spells. Many janky as fuck, but I respect it.Also low key Demons' Souls had a much better thought out online. People could actually invade reliably wihout having to defeat an endgame boss so low level thugery was a common sight and a lot of fun. Also DS' covenants in general were pure garbage, with only the forest campers and the sunbros managing to work fully as intended.
>>720772993It's cut content but they decided to leave the archestone to add some mystery to the world
>>720773048>Also DS' covenants in general were pure garbage, with only the forest campers and the sunbros managing to work fully as intended.How bad were the others?
>>720772818all of the NPCs in the nexus are white
>>720772835STFU retard I'm white
Something that doesn't get enough shit is how they remade both of them and the remakes are both worse than the originals.
>>720752834dark souls, and it's the best in the series overall in terms of game design.
>>720773247Remaster just fucked the lighting, Remake fucked everything from artstyle to music
>>720773067An excellent decision that was.
>>720773247Dark Souls didn't get a remake. It's a quick and dirty port to PS4 / Switch because the original was stuck on PS3.Miyazaki also doesn't want to make any remakes and would prefer to make new games.Sony wanted Bluepoint to remake Demon's Souls as a launch title and showcase for the PS5 hardware. Bluepoint were planning on rebalancing the game and adding a flask system, but were afraid of the backlash
>>720773421They gutted the lighting engine to reach 60fps on PS4. No joke
>>720773154>this thing>white
>>720752834Demon's Souls will always have a special place in my heart and i have strong feelings of nostalgia for it, but it's the "worst" Souls game.It was the first, the beginning of what would become a "new genre" of games, it deserves respect and recognition, but every Souls game that came after was better.People that play the PS5 remake without having played the original after playing other Souls games will never understand how mind blowing was encountering the Tower Knight for the first time.
>>720773132I forgot to include the dragon scalies which technically also performe well.>Way of WhiteDoes absolute fucking jackshit besides letting you get invaded less, which is actually a downgrade for the experience>Princess GuardYou get two miracles.That's it. You can now move on to the next covenant.>Chaos servantGrind items so you can skip most of Lost Izalith.>DarkwraithThey're supposed to be the basic method of invasion because you only get a handful of cracked orbs, but they're locked behind one of the last bosses in the game so you're either a high level character or a veteran playing a smurf in order to grief low level newcomers with late game weapons.Which leads to>DarkmoonOn paper works fine, but the problem comes from the Darkwraith issue. You don't get to be a boogeyman for invaders all across the game. You're limited to fighting guys at the endgame who only have like a couple remaining areas where they can still be invaded.>GravelordsThe absolute worst. Extremely occult way to even find the place to join, only to gain a cool weapon and miracle, but the actual covenant mechanic relied on NG+ shit so the vast majority of players never even noticed gravelords existed, and gravelords themselves just waited forever for players who would never come, so they ended up forced to farm frogs in the gutter for their covenant item.
>>720761159>in the scrape pile both in universe and outKINO
>>720752834DeS is massively better in replay because you can go to any level whenever you want in any order. And every level is completely different in atmosphere and gameplay so it's a lot less repetitive.There's also zero backtracking/elevator bullshit(with one highly vindictive exception).And the levels are just more enjoyably balanced with the bosses. Also for some reason it just looks amazing even though objectively it's muddy as fuck. It's got that prerendered cutscene magic where it tricks you into hallucinating the entire game as looking as good as the intro with hypnotic suggestion or something.
>>720755319>magic is completely broken in every fromsoft game>just like in real life KINO
>>720762075Also you were supposed to enter the kiln through that door marked by the statue behind frampt not diving down the hole. Lots of cool things in this game that would have made more sense if they were planned. Also the butchers where supposed to be in that building by the sunlight altar. Oh yea and izalith was gonna be a swamp.
>>720773247>>720773438DeS remake was because sony couldn't get a new fromsoft exclusive. They obviously want them look at bloodborne but it would have cost too much money.
>>720770886It was supposed to be a rival to oblivion, but fromsoft couldn't make it work out. Now it may seem like the missed the golden goose with elden ring but compare darks souls 1 to skyrim yea they were chasing the right trend.
>>720752834Demon's Souls is my favorite Souls game. I love how immersive and unique it is.
>>720777554pretty good list
