>"When you know you're that big, I think a shadow drop is a bit like – wow," said Jacques-Belletête on Skill Up's Friends Per Second podcast. "As the 'GTA 6 of indie'... to shadow drop something like this is a little callous.">After Team Cherry's announcement, the Hell is Us development team discussed with publisher Nacon whether to change the date. "It was a real thing," said Jacques-Belletête.>However, the "real pain in the ass", Jacques-Belletête explained, is that changing release date means refunding pre-orders. And while that wasn't a deciding factor, the team believed they could weather the storm.>Still, Jacques-Belletête admitted Silksong's release did impact the launch of Hell is Us. "I don't have any specific numbers,"he said, "at least not at this time. But for sure it did."That $20 cheap Whorenet has claimed another life.
Shame. HIU is the best soulslike since Dark Souls 1 with an incredible story. Just needed more enemy variety. Now there won't be any DLC because of unfair pricing from Team Cherry.
You're supposed to pay for ads.
>>720757836Good. No one wants to play this dog shit. Thats the real problem.
>>720757836Haters gonna hate.
>>720757985Youre supposed to remove your adblocker
Souls fatigue is real
Why didn't the retard delay it then?Everyone knew Silksong was going to be a black hole of player attention.
>>720758112Silksong is a soulslike tho
?why should i care when you think i should release my game.
>>720758112Silksong is 2d Elden Ring.
>>720757836>Other game ruined muh salesWat. If your game is good, people will come around to it. Silksong is a fairly short and cheap game anyway. This is pathetic.
>>720757836The players don't overlap, people playing Hollow Knight slop are gaming nerds obsessed with gaming, no normie is going to buy this garbage sidescroller with generic gameplay and amateur graphicsPeople play hell is us are mostly normies that are looking for good graphics, nice story and characters, none of those things are in hollow knight, in fact, they are mostly missing
>>720757836>soulslop wonder why his game flopretard
>>720757836>my dogshit game didn't sell well and it's someone else's fault
I mean- it's not Team Cherry's fault that HiU failed to entice the likes of me (soulslike enjoyer). I haven't bought Silksong either.
sorry but hell is us is really fucking boringI loved the atmosphere but it's fucking boring running around from point to point trying to remember what little thing you collected needed to go to some random shmuck in a drop denthe combat was okay, it ran decentlybut I don't think it's worth full price
>>720758587hollow knight is way more soulsslop than hell is us indietroon lmao
I have never heard of ths game, might pick it up for $20. What's the price?
>>720758564>People play hell is us are mostly normies that are looking for good graphics, nice story and characters, none of those things are in hollow knight, in fact, they are mostly missingBro you know thats not trueOnly the niche freaks will play Hell Is UsFucking /v/ is the only one that actually bothered talking about the game when it came out and people still clowned on it
BROOOO YOU CANT JUST RELEASE YOUR GAME WHEN ITS DONE WHAT THE FUCK MAN
>>720758518>Wat. If your game is good, people will come around to it.Yeah just like when Half-Life killed the much better Thief and Unreal
>>720757836people are bored of souls slop
>This game is HARDCORE.>Real gamers only.>No map.>No help.>No hope.>Quality of life? Pussy shit.I respect it but it's pretty obvious why it's "selling poorly".
>>720757983>find out about new game from OP>fpbp warns me it's just another souls copycat /thread
>>720757836>If that game didn't come out everybody would've bought mineA bold claim
How can they even determine how it affected sales?Do they have a control group somewhere that didn't get Silksong announced so they can compare sales to a non-Silksong-release world?
I avoided this game entirely because it runs on UE5, I don't touch anything that uses that engine unless it's made by like, Korean devs or something.
why did nobody tell me theres zelda dungeons in this bitch?game is underappreciated
>>720757836>is that changing release date means refunding pre-orders.Nani the fuck?No it doesn't. It means you update customers with "this is the new date, you will get the game then. Your pre-order is still the same price and still saved."I'm "ignore this"-ing this on Steam just because of the sheer brain damage.
>i am entitled to everything>my failures are because of others>t. hon hon hon baguette-bepis-baptisteGood thread.
>bad demo >Bad release window The planets were aligning for this to fail.
the demo was fucking dogshit
>>720758564Not really. I would have bought the game if nothing else was coming out at the tmeRight now I'm still playing Silksong and I will move on to Silent Hill f and Hades 2 at the end of the month
>>720757836what is this aesthetic
>>720760691Game takes place in the 90s so is Millennial core
>>720757836i like Hell Is Us but he's huffing copium if he thinks it was gonna be the next Big Thing if it weren't for that dastardly Silksong>>720759506there are actually two maps in the game
>>720759506They just made Demon's Souls (with no bosses) and put Resident Evil puzzles in it. That marketing was completely retarded. The no map thing doesn't even matter since the areas are so small
>>720758518>Silksong is a fairly shortlol
>>720757983holy shillbotnothing about that game is soulslike other than tps view. its more like nier1 than anything
I would not spend a cent on either, both are shit. HiS just happens to be shittier so I can also tell he's an absolute coping flag.
Imagine the glorious future these devs envision. Each week, only a single game of interest will be allowed to be released. You must reserve your week far in advance. Finally we will be free of the scourge of shadow dropping
>>720758269I will never understand how this shit got popular. Normies don't like Metroidvania, Steam achievements shows nobody bothered to finish Hollow Knight. But Silksong is released and bam it's the game of the century., 500k players, ads in 4chan, eveyrone else cancels their releases, etc.Feels very odd. Normies SUDDENLY cared about metroidvania on Silksong release? All the people who didn't bother finishing Hollow Knight jumpedto buy and play Silksong?
>>720757836What a gay name for a game. Also what a gay looking protagonist
>>720757983And better combat. And a story that's not just some guys rape fantasies. And tighter maps that doesn't feel so tedious to explore. I guess having good characters would be nice as well.
>>720757836i pirated this and the main character had some zoomer hair Lmao uninstalled it there
>>720757983>soulslikethank you for filtering me from buying this game.Elden Ring was the first and last soulslop I will ever buy. what an assy genre.I 100% cheevo'd without ashes so don't say I was filtered, nigger faggots.
>>720761674you can be filtered even while completing a game. you, my friend, were filtered.I'd probably have been filtered by Elden Ring too if it was my first.
>>720761674Kiltered
>>720758285>Silksong is a soulslike thohuh? how?>muh hard bossesisn't soulslike. game has a lot of platforming and it isn't some ass like that elden ring bullshit where you're jumping down a shaft full of coffins just to get raped by chaos.
>>720761476??? It's clearly a soulslike. Dodging, parrying, stamina bar, level design with shortcuts, save points act exactly like bonfires (there's a setting in the menu to turn this on)
>>720761550Silksong heems Hollow Knight thougheverbeit.
>>720759301Thief was and still is a fairly niche game, it never was going to appeal to a large base. Unreal actually had sold a little more than half-life by the end of 1999. 700k while half-life sold 657k.>>72076143930-40hrs isn't long and that's not rushing it.
>>720757836It's like they forgot they're supposed to compete
>>720757836the game is pretty mediocre to be honestalso it didn't have great marketing at allkinda lame to blame an indie game lol
>>720757983you spelled wuchang fallen feathers weird
>>720757836I was going to get it until I played the demo. dreadful combat
>>720760691Assassin's Creed at home
>>720762997>the game is pretty mediocre to be honestso is silksong. at least this shit is in 3d.
>>720763460>so is silksonghow so?
>>720762997why does this gen alpha dude have a zoomoid hairstyle
>>720763460Silksong has hundreds of different enemies and 40 bosses... Hell is Us has 6 enemies in total that all look similar and 2 gimmick """bosses"""
>>720763542mediocre concept, mediocre execution. The only thing above average is it's shill campaign. Prove me wrong if you think you can.
>>720757983>>720759518>>720758112Its not a soulslike. It has Souls-LITE combat and that’s literally it. It was never trying ti be a soukslike. The game is pure kino either way, however.
Didn't this guy say before the game released that there was no need to worry about the silksong release because they are appealing to different markets lmao?Or am i thinking of someone else.
>>720763878>mediocre concept, mediocre executionelaborate
>>720758803Unironically filtered, brainlet. Kek.
>>720761674I feel bad for people who began Souls with Elden Ring. I started with Demon's Souls back in the day and I played the games to death and I fucking loved them, but by Dark Souls 3 I was so burnt out and then I played Elden Ring for maybe like 2 hours because getting tired of how they turned it into some "open world slop" shit that I was already tired of.
>>720763848as I said, it's an actual 3d game. Ofc silksong has hundrets of enemy types when every enemy has one movement type in 2 dimesions.>enemy 1 flies directly>enemy 2 flies in a curve>enemy 3 flies directly and has a throwable>enemy 4 flies in a curve and has a throwable>enemy 5 flies both directly and in a curve>enemy 6 flies directly but has 4HP instead of 3HPsee, this game is game for gullible retards like you.
>>720761347Genuinely what the fuck are you talking about? This has got to be the most retarded take for the game I’ve ever seen.
I like Hell is Us. Combat is pretty average. It gets better with more skills and abilities - chaining your drone skills together with your lymbic abilities is quite nice, but it's still pretty bland. That being said; combat was never really a main selling point. So far I've enjoyed the puzzles and story quite a lot, though most of it has basically just been remembering and relatively basic word association. Like you'll get a note talking about the order of a puzzle and then the room will basically have the answer right there you just have to associate the words with the correct answer to press the buttons in the correct order. But given how much handholding most games have, it's still a breath of fresh air despite how simple it is. I did end up writing down a lot of notes on a notepad, from what unique symbols mean and what they're associated with to what keys and passphrases I've found and what they might mean. Which is kinda fun in it's own way.Though I don't think Silksong is the cause of the game flopping. I barely saw any level of marketing from the game and given how little handholding there is, I just don't see that as the type of game normalfags want to play.
>>720757836i heard this game is pretty decent. It would feel bad to have that big of a game shadow drop right on top of you. I can sympathize. They shouldn't have mentioned it though, just take it on the chin. People hate complainers.
>>720764002You elaborate you passive no agency zoomer cunt. The most dumb mouthbrethig generation ever.
i bought and have been playing both Silksong and HIU and Silksong is literally closer to being a soulslike than HIU. HIU has a lot more focus on dialogue and puzzle solving.
>>720757836I bought Silksong just to spite everybody crying about how cheap Silksong is.
>>720764002Not him but I'll chime in. It's a 7.5-8/10 in basically every regard. Everything is above average borderline good but nothing is great. I will probably remember 2% of the game by the end of the year and the 2% will probably be run backs
>>720764146You can not be serious. The enemies in Hell is Us don't do shit bro. You just run up to them and spam attack and get the key pulse to heal back to full. There's 5 of them and they're all boring white humanoid shape creatures. I 100% both games, have you even played them? It sounds like you haven't.
>>720757983The combat is very bad. The game's only real appeal is world building.
>>720757836>Silksong: 462,134 all-time peakDamn, silksong took all gamers hostages! no wonder they couldn't play this 60/50 dollars masterpiece.
>>720757836It was a bit cringe to shadow drop.Publically complaining about the shadow drop, though, is 10,000x more cringe. So. Checkmate
2D-is-lame-real-gamers-play-3D-gamesbro are you here? what happened?
>>720764376I honestly don't know what scenario is more sad. The one that you in fact did play the game and didn't understand what the gameplay focus was on, or that you're so insecure but still crave attention and lie about your experience in FUCKING VIDEO GAMES.either way I have no wish to converse with you whatsoever. You literally have nothing to offer.
>>720759963>"this is the new date, you will get the game then. Your pre-order is still the same price and still saved."In any other type of business, if I pay for an explicit agreement for something to be delivered on September 4th and they don't deliver, either I'm getting a refund or I'm taking them to small claims court. But video games are different because...?
>>720764187I'm not sure how you're possibly confused. You just select different areas to go to (from a Map in Hell is Us, from Archstones in Demon's Souls). The level design in Hell is Us is basically just copy/paste shit from Souls with the shortcut unlocking. They just added some puzzles and instead of bosses you get an item to solve a puzzle at the end. I think you may actually be retarded.
>>720757836I didn't buy either, they both look like garbage
>>720758269Because they had... le dignity. True /v/irgins.
>>720764653What am I lying about, what are you even talking about? It's like 50% puzzles and 50% combat. The puzzles aren't very good either if that's what you're implying. They're all just find the password/item and input it into the correct place. The combat and puzzles are both 7/10
>>720763970Nobody knows or understands what this verbose mess of gibbering means It's pretending to be dark souls and I already played the series it's not necessary anymore
I tried the demo for HIU, but it kinda ran like shit and the combat sucked, so I didn't buy it.
dont worry i have the steam chart numbers for you
>>720764605Isn't that just fagoon? Is fagoon shitting up the thread again?
>>720764990for an indie game charged at $50 that's not bad at all
>>720764287burden of proof is on you>>720764362that doesn't explain in detail why the things he called mediocre are mediocre
>>720765121>burden of proof is on youit literally isn't.
>>720765121>Please explain in detailThey lacked >x factor>je ne sais quoi>a certain spark>panacheCapisce?
>>720765683you're stepping into a zoomer trap. He will just feed information off of you so he can use it tomorrow and present them as their own. Most likely he didn't even play the game.
>>720757836>2k players in early accessyea, it's silksong's fault
>>720765084>indieme no think you knows what that there word means
>>720765848>Zoomer trapDid you not read my post?
>>720757836maybe they should've made a better game instead of trying to crowbar in dogshit Souls-like combat
>>720757836Genuinely feel bad for this team and how it slipped under the radar. Great fucking game. They poured a lot of soul into that title and in an empty release week they could have had a E33 effect. Shame. But it happens. Blame your publisher and also the marketing was questionable.
>>720757836It's just not remarkable and also another Soulslike in the sea of Soulslikes. >B-But what about Wuchang?Made by chinks, shilled by chinks and made for chinks.
>>72076155022% is a pretty average completion rate for most games
>>720757836I'm sorry but I'm not buying your game. The main character is too old and ugly and uncool. It is what it is.
>>720761550Check back in another week where everyone that cared has beaten it and the normies have given up. the FOTM cycle continues.
>>720764990seems pretty good for a shitty Nacon game
>>720757983>HIU is the best soulslike since Dark Souls 1 with an incredible story
brutal release
>>720766304forgot the image
>>720766189>SoulslikeSo you didn't play it then, because it's not a soulslike.
>>720766248>22% is a pretty average completion rate for most gameNo it fucking isn't that is fairly low
>>720757836Hell is Us is pretty fucking mid to be quite desu. I don't understand the fucking obsession with Silksong, either, but HiU just isn't very good. Good bones, for sure though. Would play a HiU2
>>720766268Plus, the UN is a filthy Islamist organization
>>720766425Hell is Us is a fucking Souls-like, you disingenuous nigger.
>>720766359The saddest one is Lost Souls Aside. Over a decade of development.
>>720766359hasn't bloober been saying that Chronos has been a success? Doubt it's that much cheaper than Hell of UsHoU's publisher just might be seething that it didn't make more money
>>720766425>Lock-on is literally a 1-to-1 copy of Soulsborn's
>hell is...US!I refuse to buy it based on the retarded name alone.
>>720757836>muh other game stole muh sales!!!excuse for retarded shithead devs trying to defelct blameI remember the bald retard that killed PB with that awful piece of shit Elex 2 blaming Elden Ring for the awful sales instead of Elex 2 being pure fucking shit even by AA eurojank standards
>>720766613by a small studio based solely on the idea that a guy that made a cool tech demo would be capable of directing an entire game
>>720757836I liked this game but it's not finished the ending is so abrupt there's not even a third act it just ends
I finally broke and had to use a guide ona puzzle. Shit was literally impossible. Kinda soured the rest of the playthrough.There are a couple puzzles in this game I refuse to believe anyone solved organically, but most of them are optional
I so badly wanted this to do well, so they would have the freedom to improve without compromising on a next game. Instead they compromised for normies, and normies still ignored it. Such a bummer.
>>720766248The only decent Metroidvania I could find with "beat the game" achievement being even close to that low was rabi-ribi which had a difficulty requirement for the achievement. The funny cunny game is also much harder
>>720766943>impossibleWhat? The only valid criticism is the puzzles are too simple and easy because they had to make them retard-proof. What did you get stuck on, Valve playtester-kun?
>>720762997Why did they give him that hair lmao
>>720767127Okay first of all literally none of the puzzles in the entire game are that easy so let's just not do that.The couple that are straight up impossible though are the safe behind the painting in Lethe (mandatory) and the two wierd-ass ones in the Marshes; The Hermit, and I don't even know what the other one is, but it has to do with all the movable candelabras throughout the map.Those three are legitamately impossible
>>720766248Not for such a short game people praised as the game of the century and shilled like crazy.Why so many people claiming it's so good when they haven't even played half the game? Which you can beat in 4 hours?
>>720767223The game takes place in 90's Eastern Europe
>>720757836Awww
>DUDE NO QUEST MARKERS OR WAYPOINTS BUT YOU CAN FAST TRAVEL LMAO>>>Open world >Massive amounts of backtracking>NPCs aren't memorable or interesting >Baby-tier environmental "find and match correct symbol to open door" puzzles>DaS2-tier combat IE.) Crowd control >Recycled the very few enemies types they had >Late game enemies are all damage sponges
>>720767406>legitamatelyI can see why you're struggling.>safe behind the paintingthere are multiple notes on the computer in the same officethere's the secretary in the same officeyou just have to follow what they tell you>quest called the hermitthere's a hermit living right next to the mechanismyou go talk to the hermithe's a photographer and needs a new lensyou find a lens later in the gameuh what should you do>candelabrasyou find a note somewhere that tells you what to do
>>720766443>>720767495I guarantee you almost every popular game you can think of has a similar completion rate. Maybe HK is SLIGHTLY below average, but not by much.BIG games for comparison:>Elden Ring: 28%>Dark Souls 3:26%Metroidvanias for a more focused look at the genre (and this is just the "default" ending or beat the final boss achievements)>Blasphemous: 20%>Nine Sols: 24%>Prince of Persia TLC: 28%>Ori 1: 26%>La-Mulana: 6% (lmao)>Bloodstained: 36%>Rain World: 11%>Ender Lilies: 37%>Ender Magnolia: 53% (which is buckwild)>Guacamelee: 23%>Salt and Sanctuary: 22%but yeah. Pretty average.
>>720757836>make ue5 slop>only 10% of all possible gamers can run your game at reasonable settings>surprise pikachu face when most choose simply not to consumeYou made your own bed, don't go blaming the successful for your own failure. You chose to chase muh graphics, this is the result you should have expected.
>>720767708>damage spongesNot when you can set their HP to 50%, but yeah>>720767782Nah, shut up faggot
Maybe the game is just trash
>>720757983It's not a soulslike. It's a ubislop for people with ubislop fatigue.
>>720767406>legitamatelythis isn't a typo how tf do you even make a mistake like this?and if they were legitimately impossible nobody would ever beat the game so they are in fact not legitimately impossible
>>720757836I hate these whiney indie devs so much that I'm inclined to start paying $70 for AAA slop.
>>720767903HON HON HONLE LA LE LA
>>720757836>shift blame>point fingers>yell for mommy to change diaperI didn't know Hell is Us was made by toddlers.. Pretty impressive to be desu
>>720768051I said it was legitimately impossible to solve them organically. Guides exist
>>720766359Someone spoil me on Cronos. It looks like Dead Space with tryhard edgy dialog.
>>720768172and how...do the guides...get written?
Third person with no sexy female lead? That's a 5€ buy from a sale.
>>720767924>Doesn't even deny the rest of the pointsAnd the devs wonder why it flopped.
>>720768240Dev notes or some shit idk for the first one, then all therest are just copypasta
>>720768187It's Dead Space but bad
>>720767825This honestly just tells me the ender games are much better games. They aren't exactly that much easier than half of those games but boast massive completion rates
>>720768154The difference being E33 is good enough that people are willing to put up with the shitty graphics requirements. Hell is not good enough to put up with it, sorry.
>>720767825These games have multiple endings. Why do you assume every single playthrough that doesn't end in the most popular ending is NG+? Ranni ending in ER requires a guide for most players so majority of people who played blind got the other ending. ER and DS3 have higher completion rate than you cited.
>>720768286Unironically this. All the backtracking and ponderous moments solving puzzles would have been so much more enjoyable if I could have watched a cute ass bounce around. Stellar Blade knew this
>>720757836Main character is ugly, will not play.
>>720768346e33 asks for a 3060 ti.
>>720767825Other anon beat me to it but how many of those have split ending achievements rather than just "saw the credits" achievements
>>720768664The bare minimum to get in the door is not fun. I wouldn't play a game if I had to play on lowest settings at 20 fps.
>>720768319Which is funny because the general metroid/v/ania opinion is that they're the worst games on that list>>720768424As I said, it's just the most popular/"default" ending or the final boss. Most people don't replay games in the first place so it's not safe to assume that most Ranni completions are NG+. It's not a perfect methodology, obviously. Elden Ring is probably higher, yes, based on boss achievements (Hoarah Loux is 40%, Malenia is 36%), but the default ending is even lower than the Ranni ending, and ending achievements are the only actual data available for who has actually beaten the game.
>>720766443picrel takes like 6 hours if you completely suck at platformers
>>720768842SMB is THE "it's $2 so fuck it" game only to drop it after 5 minutes. In my case it was free but still
>>72076876340 to 30 fps on medium with a 1060 gb, a budget card from 10 years ago is pretty good.
>>720768947Should say was. SMB hasn't been relevant in 10 years
>>720764706You haven't ran shit for a business I can clearly tell
>>720757836Actual cope from a dev that was never going to sell a lot of copies to begin with. Just like every single other instance of people claiming this.
>>720767708>>>>Open world it's not an open world, the only "open world" (open field) area is the swamp>>Massive amounts of backtrackingand? but we will pretend beloved souls, rpgs and metroidvanias like hk aren't built on backtracking>>NPCs aren't memorable or interestingthey're all random war victims, the war backdrop and historical lore are pretty interesting>>Baby-tier environmental "find and match correct symbol to open door" puzzlesstill enough to filter anon itt calling them "impossible" KEK>>Crowd control good? that's the best part of the combat and so refreshing, in what fucking world is that a negative>>Recycled the very few enemies types they had true>>Late game enemies are all damage sponges? did you forget to upgrade weaponsplayed on difficulty to max levels (beyond merciless) and no issuebecause this game didn't receive the fomo/influencer/hivemind stamp of approval, then it's free to take a shit on it for any reason, with the most blatant double standards or shallow reasons ("hurr ugly haircut", you have to sincerely be subhuman to type that post, type the captcha and submit thinking you're sharing some witty insight here)/v/ will wait for it to be shilled by a youtuber as le hidden cult gem 2 years from now to start realizing that maybe it is more interesting than silksong or ex33 (a story game with a gay story and no gameplay)how predictable you retards are
>>720768761Most of the Metroidvanias are just "beat the final boss" or "beat the game" achievements. I believe Ender Lilies, Magnolia, and Rain World are the only ones with split ending achievements, and I went with the easiest/default ending to be as generous as possible, since the 22% for Hollow Knight is also the default ending (as people who go for true endings will likely also get the default/easy ending as well). Elden Ring is an outlier in this regard.
>>720766268Is that fucking CIA from Batman?
I'm not really into the mentality of the current-day anon, but do people talk with baits for fun or are they really thinking that these prime-for-the-taking responses appear organically? If you have something to say it's not necessary to respond to attentionwhores.
>>720757836>pre-ordersZero sympathy from me
>>720762778You got all the mementos, completed the Hunter's Journal, and got 100% completion in 30-40 hours?
>>720769225a little of column A, a little of column B
>>720761550>SUDDENLYDumb nigger have you seen nothing from a direct or state of play in the past 5 years?People constantly were asking for Silksong in the comments of any gaming related event
>>720768842Platformers suck, they were good in the 90s when you had nothing to play. I finished hollow knight because the world is gripping and I wanted to see more, started silksong and don't wanna play anymore.
>>720769225>>720769281and sometimes it's just the bait poster responding to himself
>>720763970Sure, but maybe you should make that abundantly clear in the marketing. Everybody just perceives Hell Is Us as a souls like, and when souls likes are 90% fighting, having combat that isn't top notch is a terrible look.
>>720758564I actually skipped Hell is Us because it was wegged between Cronos The New Dawn and Silksong. Decided to go finish Cronos because I assume it was the more shorter and linear survival horror game compared to the open ended exploration game Hell is Us is going for. I'm probably skipping Dying Light the beast too since I'm still trying to finish Silksong and now Hades 2 and Silent Hill f is coming in abit over a week.
here's the itw if anyone is interestedhttps://youtu.be/opeNl55y-0Y?t=3828
>>720769357I'm not that quick.
>>720768793>Which is funny because the general metroid/v/ania opinion is that they're the worst games on that listMassive Metroidvania fag and I couldn't disagree more. At time of release lilies was shat on but after a year or so the public opinion pivoted hard
>>720769117>how predictable you retards areWhy do you hang out with us losers then?
>Muh completion rate >Game hasn't even been out for a month>Casuals and itoddlers on /v/ are struggling with it>Tons of retards who fell for the hype likely dropped it or got bored Anon underestimates ficklefags. 100k put 500k is still a big number and who knows how many consolefags bought it. Silk Thong'll probably reach 30% - 35% on Steam by the end of the year.
>>720757983Not even, recently got done with Mortal Shell and Hell is Us combat is jus as bad. The only games that even reached DS1 peak this year were WuChang and AI limit
>The couple that are straight up impossible though are the safe behind the painting in Lethe (mandatory) and the two wierd-ass ones in the Marshes; The Hermit, and I don't even know what the other one is, but it has to do with all the movable candelabras throughout the map.No but seriously I dare someone to actually explain how you're supposed to solve any of these organically
>>72076955190% of all game completions are done in the first couple of weeks. If you haven't beaten silksong by now you were more than likely never going to.
>>720757836>NONONONONONONO HOW DARE YOU SUCCEED MORE THAN ME REEEEEEEEEEEActual crab bucket mentality, cope.
>>720757836nigga its UE5 slop. every UE5 game fails unless its live service cancer to the max aka fortnite and valorant.
>>720769551I bet you it will drop. The general trend is "compete the game" achievements tend to go down a month not up unless it is very long
>>720769501I like them both plenty, but I'm not going to pretend "public opinion" has shifted on them all that much, especially in comparison to the other games on the list, and especially on /v/. And it's silly to pretend they're better than most of the games listed just because they have higher completion percentages.
>>720769680Lords of the Fallen was actually pretty okay
>>720767648That's not a satisfactory justification.
>>720769298Platformers still pull numbers. It's just that they're relatively difficult to market because they're gameplay focused, and challenge platformers like Meat Boy have largely shifted towards total masocore like Jump King.
>>720769117>Crowd control>Refreshing Pretentious. You don't play many video games.
>>720761550My brother is literally the kind of retard who does this, so I understand why it made that many sales. "Game popular? If singleplayer: buy it on release and maybe one day finish it (won't if too hard for them). If multiplayer: was peer pressured into buying it and they never finish the game because they lose interest."These kind of retards that buy just because it's popular exist.
>>720761550> Normies don't like MetroidvaniaThey care in the same way they care about Mario or Sonic. They claim to like platformers but by that they just mean Mario and Sonic. Same idea here. They claim they like it because they played hollow knight but will be confused how Shadow Complex counts as a "Metroidvania"because they don't understand what the term means. >Steam achievements shows nobody bothered to finish Hollow KnightMost people don't finish games they like at all. Or TV/streaming series. Most people like things, get board with them and then come back when new thing happens even if they never finished old thing. This applies to most games and funny enough if by strange cures the games that tend to have high completion rates get worse sales on their sequels unless they have a long time apart from them. >All the people who didn't bother finishing Hollow Knight jumpedto buy and play Silksong?That's just how this works, they play for 2~8 hours, love it, then move on and don't think about it again. People like you and me that will go all in, 10 of hundreds of hours to games we love, we are abnormal. The masses buy the meal and say it tastes great to then throw half of it or more away.
>>720769676Not everyone's a deadbeat like you, sis, but keep coping.
>>720758269Absolutely mogged.The shitty slop producing developers fear the Team Cherry Chads.
I swear most video game developers are such little bitches"Ahhh nooo our game wasn't bad it was just this other game's fault for offering a better value proposition!!! competition is not something I should have to deal with!!!!"
>>720761347>>720759506personally im dead tired of backtracking and no quest tracking>you stepped half a foot over an invisible line? guess you failed all your quests, fuck youits cancer
>>720769238How many people do you think are going for the full completionist run do you reckon? My point is, all these dipshit devs have to do is just not buckle to sales for 2 months and if their game is decent enough, it'll get picked up at their asking price eventually. If they want to do even better, they should make an update while the silksong FOTM dies off, market that update and release it in december or something. Complaining about being put in the cuckchair because some indy game got released is pathetic.
>>720769960I play plenty, have you played this game at all? The approach to crowd control is pretty novel, yes. Not only is it rare in the soulslike subgenre (anon had to reference ds2, and it's 11 years old), but it's also pretty different because it's the game's whole gimmick that enemies are interlinked and should be obvious if you played the damn game.
>>720758269Short answer was marketing. As much as they are gaslighting you about everything they did pour a budget on this and they had three lose/lose situations on their hand: >delay it and keep pouring money into the marketing/streamers/etc>delay it and take the wasted marketing budget and risk the first day streaming agreements you have go up in smoke>release it and see if it can take the stormNo good outcomes and they all lose about the same amount of money it's just with the path they took it's the least amount of fucking up an already fucked situation.
>>720761674ER is one of the worst souls games. Ditched world building/level design for boss goes zoom zoom.
>>720770349>>you stepped half a foot over an invisible line? guess you failed all your quests, fuck you>its cancerFucking Wuchang could have been a decent game if not for this
>>720757836This is what happens when you give every kid a participation trophy. They get inflated senses of ego and think anything they shit out is worthy of praise.
>wahhh my shitty souls clone didn't sellkwab
>>720770537ie they poured money into the adverting arm of things see >>720770509It's a "shadow drop" in the sense that most can't change coarse in time with out taking money loses. To the masses, it's not, for us it's just a surprise announcement with a short wait time.
>>720770537>>720770621troonetera
>>720770537>>720770621wasn't Resetera saying something psychotic about Silksong not giving early copies to reviewers or was that something else
Oof...
>>720761550I hope this means we get more Metroidvanias since I like them. Tho I'm not into Hollow Knight
>>720757836>check HIU>it's a soulslop
What the fuck is this silksong bullshit? These zoomers who eat up that game and been waiting years for it weren't going to just go buy hell is us or any other gotslop released anyway.
>>720757836>We deserve gamers' money>We deserve to have NO competition on our release dateso what are game devs gonna be entitled to next?
>>720761550>Normies SUDDENLY cared about metroidvania I mean, to me a game being a 2D RPG sidescroller or Metroidvania isn't even a difference big enough to matter, I like/dislike those games all the same, suddenly it matters more than roguelike.
>>720771178>>720771079>>720770998>>720770932>>720770860>>720770786You have to go back
Give me 3 examples of great games overshadowed and that failed because they released around a big mainstream anticipated game.
>The approach to crowd control is pretty novelPretentious shill buzzword.>Not only is it rare in the soulslike subgenre (anon had to reference ds2, and it's 11 years old)>Doubled-down immediately within the same sentence >it's also pretty different because it's the game's whole gimmick that enemies are interlinkedSo like every ARPG and MMO out there with healers, tanks, etc. Again: You don't play many games.
>>720761550>shows nobody bothered to finish Hollow Knightmost people don't bother finishing video games period, outside of the super short and super easy movie games.
>>720769117>because this game didn't receive the fomo/influencer/hivemind stamp of approvalNigger several medium sized streamers and V-tumors sponsored it on their streams with "totally genuine dick sucking praise". The game's just not that enticing.
>>720771709I can only think of maybe Titanfall
They're already working on their next project and it's a continuation in a similar style
>>720769117I seem to recall a bunch of streamers and Youtubers trying and failing to hype it up with sponsored streams and videos and utterly failing to make it look or sound interesting
>NOOO my ue5 slop didn't sell a gorrilion copies silksong fuck me AIEEEEEE my unoptimized generic soulslop got mogged by bug game noooo
>>720761550normies love metroidvania thoughmetroid was hugecastlevania was hugethere's a reason each game has dozens of sequels, spin offs and other things
I saw some streamer playing this game and it looked bad. I saw 3 different enemies over an hour or two and all of them were very similar with only slight variations in appearance. It also looked janky, especially killing blows.I don't get why these people make these giant, huge worlds where you fight the same few enemies over and over. Completely wrong priorities.
>>720772989>metroid was hugeRetard
>>720773160You must be 18 to post on 4chan please stop breaking the law.
>>720771709some movie examples but the thing came out the same as E.T. and sorcerer as star wars
>>720773198Metroid was always niche. The best selling game in the series is fucking dread barely above 3 million. Before that it was Metroid NES at ~2.7
>>720773429Stop breaking the law.
>>720763970Oh so it's copying dark souls without even understanding what makes it good.Got it. That's a super avoid from me.
>>720773138combat as a whole (including the enemies) feels like they threw it together at the last minute when a marketing firm told them you can't just have a game where you wander around solving puzzles
>>720757836I do think it's funny that Supergiant clearly waited until Silksong was released to release Hades 2 1.0
>>720757836>gib me das for free sales
>>720757836I didnt even know what this was until i saw this threadneedless to say i couldnt care much for silksong eitherI'm more of a Zelda Mario turn based rpg fan.
>>720757836I canceled my preorder when I realized borderlands and silent hill are this month too. I’m sure plenty prioritized hollow knight
>>720771709Shadow Hearts got mogged by Final Fantasy X. Three weeks in Japan, five days in North America.
>>720761550Because it became a big meme. Plenty of people who never even heard of or touched Hollow Knight would say "[insert game] will release before we get Silksong."And once the game dropped, they HAD to get that social capital by playing the game from the meme. So past a certain point it became popular because it was popular.
>>720774165Hollow Knight sold 15 million copies
>>720774321Yeah man.Thanks for pointing that out.
>>720773843This is a puzzle game? Fooled me I guess, I only really noticed the combat and a little bit of key hunting while watching.If it is, I don't understand not leaning into it fully. There are games like that, ex. The Witness and Talos Principle series.
>>720757836>noooo I need 3 gorillion sales immediately or it's a failureFuck off and buy an ad. Read the room while you're at it; your cheap shovelware is not entitled to success and your whining is honestly so unattractive I doubt I'd buy it no matter how low the cost.
the $20 platformer Chadvsthe $50 soulslike Steve
>>720757836I'm surprised it took this long for someone to use Silksong coming out as an excuse for why their game isn't cracking 5 million players. Their game wasn't going to do that well in the first place.
>>720757983>Now there won't be any DLC because it doesn't have legsFtfy
>>720757836Game looks like it was made with the basic UE5 store asset packs and I can't tell which aspect was tacked on last to try and pathetically give it a veneer of depth to try to justify the $50 price point, the unimaginative resident evil style puzzles or the shallow, completely by the numbers soulslike combat
>>7207717092004 is probably littered with corpses of 8/10 games like Psi Ops because they weren't WoW or HL2
>>720757836Hell is USA wasnt even marketed much on top of poor release timing
>>720775305They paid a handful of top 200 streamers to play it (most turned them down) and none of them played it more than maybe two sessions
>>720775474shouldve just paid assmongoloid to shit on it - would've caught more attention
>>720757836Probably should have made whatever he's wearing look more appealing
>>720768346The difference is E33 doesn't require high specs and got popular before release. Hell is us drops fps below 20 for me sometimes and generally runs belo 50. E33 always ran at 50-60 fps excluding cutscenes and the overworld.Hell is us frankly looks ugly and the open world especially in the 2nd zone was awful, a huge map and a slow moving MC is not fun for anyone. Add frequent backtracking to the mix and your game is gonna be a clear flop.
>decide to try it (for free)>it's a shitty movie game with dumb RE puzzles and token souls-lite combat slapped haphazardly into the mixthis would've flopped without the slutbug
I know I'm not a representative of gamers but I can only speak for myself:I have not played Silksong and have no intention of doing so.I was actually kind of interested in trying out Hell Is Us because they had the smart marketing of going "This is for the true brainy gamers that don't want to just be led around"Then I read the /v/ reviews and even the more positive people on it said that the puzzles aren't all that interesting, the maps are too big and that the story is disappointing and finishes poorly. And of course, that the combat was trash, but I already knew that in advance from gameplay trailers, that wasn't a shock.As a result, I played neither.
>>720779098You sound like someone who is easily influenced and rarely makes his own decisions. Don't worry IGN will tell you what to play soon.
>>720779098go back to sucking dicks on reddit
>>720779572If I were easily influenced, I'd have played Hollow Knight Silksong. Truth is I played the first game based on the positive reviews and just got bored.I'm looking forward to playing Type-NOISE tomorrow and Absolum, Keeper and Mina The Hollower within the next few months.I still do have some affinity for Hell Is Us, all things considered. Can you tell me what you liked about the game so much that you think it's worth defending on /v/? I admit that, in regards to this game in particular, I'd like to be influenced.
>Silksong>'Shadow dropped'It was publicly known to be in development and they gave a release date with enough notice that it gave time for multiple devs to delay releasing their own games. That is not a 'shadowdrop'.
>bad combatwelp gotta make some webms. it's actually good. only a shitter would get filtered by 8 ability + 2 attack combat where you also have to reposition yourself and targetswap often.
>>720757836no-one has ever heard of this game, they should thank silksong that they have an excuse to use silksong's name for publicity
>>720779995I don't give a shit about the combat, but please shill me on the puzzles, exploration and story of this game.
The only thing worse then a french "person" is a french Canadian "person"
>>720779824I was mocking you personally not because of any particular game choices. You just talk like someone who is weak to social influence. Not doing something because it's popular is the same as doing something because it is popular. Both outcomes stem from the some root.
>>720761550sequel to a popular indie game that eventually became a meme.
>>720780216I just think you misunderstand me. Silksong is a sequel to a game I didn't enjoy but gave a fair shake. Hell Is Us is a game I had in my sights as something that I was gonna want to see impressions on before I decided if it was worth trying out, and the impressions here were not favorable. Type-NOISE is a game that I will try for myself tomorrow. There's just different categories I put my games into, is all.
>>720780387Why didn't you like hollow knight? Do you not like metroidvanias in general?
>>720780451>Do you not like metroidvanias in general?Honestly, yeah, that's part of it. I think only the top 1% of metroidvanias interest me nowadays. I'm pretty fatigued of the genre. Hollow Knight was just not there for me.
>>720780636That's fine I get it, to be honest I had to force myself to play it 3 separate times until it clicked. It doesn't really scratch the same metroidvania itch as other games in the genre do.
>>720757836Well, you didn't exactly set yourself up for success.One game is $20 and the other game is $89.
>>720761674Why would you 100% a game you didn't enjoy?
>>720757836>le dark soulskiro ring lies of fallen nioh.... but... wait for it... it's open world and you have no le map and you have to le explore! it's like the le old times again!yawn
>>720757836Honestly he's right. Although as an indie developer who launched their game a little bit after Silksong (this was decided MONTHS in advance and changing it is hard)The $20 price point I'd argue is worse.It's callous as fuck, I think it’s worth talking about how damaging that price point might be for the rest of the indie scene when the game finally drops.Silksong is basically the Elden Ring of indie games at this point. The hype is off the charts, the fanbase is rabid (in a good way), and it's going to dominate every storefront and gaming conversation for weeks—maybe months. So when it comes in at just $20? That’s not just generous—that’s a nuclear bomb for discoverability.You’re an unknown dev launching a handcrafted game the same month as Silksong? You're invisible. Even if your game is great, the conversation is gone. And god forbid you price it at $20 or more—people will just compare it to Silksong and say it’s not worth it.We’ve seen this before. Big-name indies like Hollow Knight, Hades, Stardew Valley—when they blow up, they redefine expectations. And that’s cool in one way, but it also resets the floor for what a "good deal" looks like. The bar just gets higher and higher for smaller devs who don’t have the benefit of a years-long hype train.Tldr Silksong was a fucking stupid ass move by team cherry and they really are assholes for treating other developers like this. 1. Shadow dropping the game2. The godamn price point They became what we all hate the most. Asshole developers.
>>720761550>cheap as dirt>trendy so everyone got the FOMOthat's really it
>>720781565I think people are anxious over and making a big deal out of nothing.The average indie gamer is not gonna stop buying indie games just because they're not a Silksong level of good deal. That is simply not gonna happen.
>>720765284it is because you made the claims>>720765683>>720765848retards
>>720763603>>720767223>>720769743i think they were going for Hasslehoff but hair looks like shit in UE so it turned out retarded
>>720781565Post gayme
>>720782608they won't tell you because they haven't played it and are hating it because it's popular
>>720782797i know
>>720782608I'm not here to disect the game you nigger I gave my opinion on it and I stand by it. 7.5-8/10
>Team Cherry does the best thing for gamers (near shadow drop, low price tag)>game journos and other devs never stop bitchingThis pretty much tells us that the industry hates its customers, doesn't it?
>bro it was pretty fucked up of that company to think about their fans instead of their competitorsThe monsters. The heartless monsters.
>>720782946you didn't give an opinionyou just used the 'mediocre' buzzword without explaining why - that's not an opinion
>>720783439You don't know the definition of opinion evidently but that's about what I expect from your ilk.
>>720783627either explain why it's mediocre or fuck off
>>720783694ignore the retardyou're being baited
>>720757983have you considered that the game did bad because its soulslop and not because hornet crashed into the scene with her fat bug ass?
>>720783694Why would I do that? I don't feel the need to write a review for steam why would I do it here?
>>720757836>GTA 6 of indieWhat?
>>720757836didnt delay despite borderlands 4 and silksong coming out near each other act surprised his game flopped
>>720783829>Why would I do thatbecause I'm calling you out bitch
>>720757983I was with you until the pricing part. If your competitor making a game more affordably than you drives you out of business, you deserve to fail.
>>720784064You have a massive overblown sense of worth
>>720759898>zelda dungeonsYou mean puzzle platforming?
>>720784165and you're worthless
>>720757836I saw the title of the game and assumed it was chinkslop and hit "ignore" immediately
>>720781701yeah everyone's freaking out about nothing on the price.if you regularly buy indie games, you know that silksong is an unpredicted step above for multiple reasons.im still going to buy indie games as i normally would: if i think i'll enjoy it, i'll buy it.this is true for ALL indie games with the one exception being luck letting you attain a broad audience
>>720784165nta but you just keep proving you haven't played the game
>>720757836I don't buy or play UE5 slop. Simple as.
>>720757836why are all devs convinced that silksong is both too cheap and too expensive to allow gamers the ability to purchase any other video games after its release?!
>>720784303probably with baby puzzles too
>>720784418Whatever helps your sense of self homie>>720784601>Debate me broI really really don't give a shit for actual constructive criticism. I didn't really enjoy the game even though on a technical level it was fine.
>>720757836>was already stumbling over his words throughout that paid stint>now they're going to eat him alive for thisRekt
>>720761439Skill issue
>>720784870you haven't played it
>>720784870asking you to explain your reasoning behind calling Silksong mediocre is not asking for debate you imbecile
>>720785272the last severl times I have done this song and dance it has ended up >nuh uh>doesn't count>ur wrongso yeah I really don't care to engage in good faith. Take it as face value or don't
>>720785513where have you explained why the game is mediocre?
>>720785538on 4chan? Are you asking specifically which thread?
>>720785513not him but i'll engage fairly, explain why you think the game is mediocre and i'll engage with your points on a fair playing field.
>>720766359LSA gets 10 years development then does the ol' flop n' slop as soon as it releases Brutal dude
>>720757836Hell is who? Nobody was ever gonna buy that shit much less hear a thing about it.
>>720766359>chinal chontajii became a realitylol
>>720785618he hasn't played it
>>720781565leaving aside the fact that Silksong has been highly anticipated for years, whining that another company doesn't join your corpo mafia and scam the consumers while actually being anticipated by the fanbase is disgusting behavior.
>>720757836Doesn't this shit run on UE5? Maybe people are just conditioned not to buy games made on that engine because they barely function.
>>720768313ok but how does it compare to callisto protocol then, I need a pecking order
>>720761550>anon discovers advertising for the first timeThe overwhelming majority of people who bought and worshipped BG3 never played a crpg before in their lives.
>>720786997Better than Callisto by a significant margin, much worse than Dead Space. Take the SH2 remake, make the combat worse, remove any small smidgen of horror it had and put enemies literally 45 minutes between each other and you get Cronos.
I think going radio silent on Silksong so long and effectively shadowdropping it was questionable but at the same time, some of the biggest games ever were releasing one after another within weeks of each other back in the day and no one said a word because everyone was going to play them all anywya. It's a very recent phenomenon that you have to courteously stagger your releases because some other poor little developer is going to get buried and miss out on their front-loaded sales forever. Silksong had no set release schedule, even they didn't know when it would come out because they're quirky eccentric auteurs for better or worse. One day they just said "guys, I think we might be done" and put the word out.
>>720761550As someone who doesn't like Hollow Knight, Silksong does seem better, gameplay-wise anyway. Still won't play it thoughbeit.
>>720761550you know how China bugged up Wukong? Well this, and Hollow Knight are Australian, so guess who cunt?
>>720757836indies drop one good game with zero asskissing to the market or to journalists and it reveals how bankrupt the industry is. I commend Team Cherry.
I want to fuck Hornet.
>>720787478Thanks doc
>>720757836I haven't played Hollow Knight and have little interest in Silk Song but I might just pick up a copy because of all the seethe it's caused.
>>720787712You should also wear Charlie Kirk since it makes maga faggots here cry like libs.
>>720757836I didn't buy Hell is Us because I don't like spooky games. I'm sure the developers made a great game, but even if Silksong wasn't released this year I still wouldn't have bought their game.
>>720761550Hollow Knight's not a metroidvania, it's 2D SoulshitMetroidvanias have constant cool upgrades. Hollow Knight takes what SHOULD be a cool upgrade and makes you burn anywhere from 1 to 4 of your 11 charm slots if you want to keep it. The rest of the incremental upgrades you'd otherwise be getting are instead replaced with money bundles to offset how little you get from clearing areas of enemies. Same shit with Blasphemous.These games are still good, but I wouldn't play them because I want to scratch the same itch as Metroid/Castlevania/Bloodstained/Axiom Verge, etc.
>>720761550Hornet is an INCREDIBLY easy character to draw, literally anyone with zero artistic talent can do it, and that leads to a metric fuck ton of fan art, pair that with communities that went the way of r/Arkham and you get a community built around a mythical thing that their near sure they'll never see, so that leads to their expectations rising higher and higher until they become fanatics and then you get this mess. Pray this doesn't become an industry standard.
>>720790098>Same shit with BlasphemousWelp... Fucking removed from wishlist. I hate how 99% of Metroidvanias are 80+% Castlevania and only really use the map system from Metroid
>>720770492lel, fucking shilliest shilling since the shilling was discontinued as a currency.
>>720790330I suggest pirating it and giving it a go regardless. Just don't go in expecting to pick up a bunch of powers/weapons/upgrades/sick attacks for your biblical piece of steel. The vast majority of items you find are bones with a little lore snippet written by a kickstarter backer to unlock an okay boss battle.It feels good to play, looks great, and has a wonderful soundtrack. But I was sold on the promise of Castlevania, and instead got Catholic Souls.
>>720781565>HOW DARE THESE ABOLITIONISTS ARGUE TO FREE THE SLAVES>THEY'RE RUINING CHEAP, EXPLOITABLE LABOR FOR THE REST OF US
>>720790512>instead got Catholic Souls.That's what drew me in. The idea of Spanish Catholic Metroidvania sounds tight>Just checked and realized I did end up buying it when it was on sale for $5 on the last saleWelp got no reason not to
>My game only sucks because other game exists!Sounds like communist drivel.
Honestly, I bought silksong because it's fun, cheap and doesn't have high specs for my potato PC. But I was not gonna play this nyway, first because my machine can't run it, and second because it looks like generic soulslike made by AAA.I always hate that every time a company tries to do a soulslike it's:>narrative driven story>fixed main character>has retarded puzzles>the combat only shared the roll with i-frames mechanic, the rest is just the same but more retarded>linear maps with no interconnectivity>generic music and retarded settingCorrect me if i'm wrong in this case though.
>>720757836I blame the demo for terrible sales. It was really lame.
>>720790707Hopefully you enjoy it then. I liked it enough to go for a true 100% completion and didn't regret it in the end.Watch for those instant death spikes.
>>720790869and the performance was much worse than the main game
>>720781565Nigga if you are scared about the comoetition making a better product at a better price, do better i stead of crying like a bitch. They commited no sin and as a consumer I love them.You are just jealous because you ate big aussie cock.
>>720757836Skill issueEnshrouded survived Palworld which was a bigger surprise that came out of fucking nowhere and hit harder (2.4m vs 500k)And it was the exact same genre too, unlike Hell Is Us and Silksong
I don't really give a shit about whatever retarded arguments are happening to make this thread so long so I'm just gonna talk about Hell is Us 'cause I beat it over the weekendI like it, I think it's pretty goodCombat could be tighter, healing pulse was made way too easy compared to the demo that it invalidated items for most of the gameExploration was fun. Yeah it's all keys and locks but I enjoyed itThe puzzles could've been a little bit tougher in the critical path, though some of the optional ones were good.Main story and the lead character are a bit flat. The ending is rather abrupt and I still don't know why that guy's chin is so bigThe worldbuilding though is so, so, so good. You can tell that's where all the effort went because they knocked it out of the park.I really appreciate that this game has the balls to paint war in all its gruesome and uncomfortable truth. Not many devs are even going to want to imply rape, let alone say it flat-out. Same for killing children. There's even an infant that (You) are responsible for keeping alive (or not).I got the feeling that the history of Hadea is an allegory for conflict in the Middle EastI hope the game does well enough for them to do like an epilogue DLC, 'cause the ending and post-credits made it feel like they might've ran out of time/budget and had to cut it short.
>>720790169>Pray this doesn't become an industry standardGood games being sold cheap? Heh yeah that would suck wouldn't it.
>Silksong - $20, runs on toasters>Hell is Us - yet another Soulslike running on UE-stutter-5, at triple the cost
>>720762997The hair alone is making me not want to play the game.
>>720757836what a whiny little bitch im definitely not buying this game now
>>720762997
>>720790098literallu no souls game does anything close to what you're describing you blabbering retard. you can argue that it's closer to a 2d action game since its heavy focus on combat and charm builds, but other than that, it has all the typical tenets of a metroidvania.
hell is us feels more like nier than souls in terms of combat - nier gestalt
the ending is very bad
>>720792834Both games focus heavily on cryptic storytelling married with 2hard4u combat encounters.Team Cherry is extremely FROMcoded.
>>720764907He was clearly never going to listen anyways and left because you talked about the actual game instead of what he wanted.
>>720762778>30-40hrs isn't long and that's not rushing it.It absolutely it is for normies (i.e. the vast majority of sales). For a lot of buyers that's several weeks of gaming.
>>720757836>NOOO NOOOOOO HOW DARE YOU RELEASE YOUR GAME WITHOUT WARNING>>720757983>HOW DARE YOU NOT DEMAND MORE SHEKELS YOU’RE MAKING THE REST OF US LOOK GREEDY DUMB GOYIM RAISE PRICES NOW!!This is a board for people who PLAY games correct? Or for people who SELL them?
>>720769563>safe behind the painting in Letheread the notes in the level>hermitgive him the item he asks for>movable candelabrashit the switchs that have the same symbols under them as the symbols on the door under the town
>>720779572>>720780216You can choose to avoid engaging with the latest FOTM without being "socially influenced," though the word you're looking for is contrarian. A game being popular does not mean everyone should go out and buy it, that would be an example of social influence. This "stem from the same root" bullshit is just an excuse for you getting upset that someone doesn't like the 'popular thing', which is ironic but unsurprising given fags who yap about 'sheeple' and social influence tend to be the ones most susceptible to peer pressure.
>>720761550Hype trains do that. Diablo 3 was the same. Most people who bought it had never played Diablo 2.
>>720781565THEY MADE A BETTER AND CHEAPER GAMETHEY'RE ASSHOLEIT'S UNFAIR, HOW COULD THEY DO THATTHESE ASSHOLE INDIE JUGGERNAUTS ARE KILLING THE INDIE DEV SCENE BY BEING TOO SUCCESSFUL WITH THEIR GOOD AND CHEAP GAMENOW PEOPLE ARE GOING TO EXPECT GOOD AND CHEAP INDIE GAMESAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
>>720790098Hollow knight staggers its movement and progression upgrades across a large, complicated open form map. That’s basically the one and only prerequisite for a metroidvania. Whatever else you’re babbling about is contrarianism.
>>720795830From doesn’t have the copy claim on hard boss fights, but yes, the story and presentation are extremely souls-like. Which as nothing to do with the gameplay.
>>720757836shill up thread JANNIEEEES
>>720798798anon you should know by now that they only delete deltratroon threads
I just assumed this was a budget Death Stranding rip off, and didn't pay any attention to it.You telling me this is some kind of Zelda clone? Why didn't they say that?
>>720757836isn't this the game about killing white people
>>720799178That's all modern games.Except silksong.Yeah in retrospect I don't regret buying silksong instead of this shit.
>>720758285Not possible. Silksong doesn't have a button that turns you invincible
>>720799278no like all its enemies are white people with black face.
It's called the free market. They simply got priced out by the competition.
I heard about this game on /v/. They should be blaming their non-existent marketing.
>>720757983Based, and huge thanks to Silksong for finally killing off Soulslike
>>720790169if you mean games being treated as vaporware until suddenly they're not, it's already been a thing for a long time in indie games
>>720757836Haven't even heard of the game until now. I'd definitely rather buy a game I've been waiting to be released for 7 years
>>720757983Holy shill
>>720757836Look, I get his point, but implying that game devs (especially indies) should what is basically ask for permission to the industry to release their game is kinda... corrupt? I mean, the industry is corrupt.
Next time use real music instead of something like this for your "bosses" https://youtu.be/OE26YY2W43k?si=wVZu6ubf0ATg_O3s&t=10092
The global market was a mistake.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLNhdemdonM&ab_channel=gameranxFake ass Ded Stranding
>>720800828His reviews are always bad.Only reason people watch them is the thumbnail. People think they should watch it before they buy it but he never says anything substantial. He just yaps.
>>720801023I watched on mute. I just wanted to take a glance at the combat and what do you know, it's the same shit in every other game.
>My competitors are doing things that improve their business and passively hinder mineYes? Do they not know that's how business works?
>"""souls-like""">fixated main characterdo casuals really think this is right?
>>720757836>we shouldn't have to compete for customers??
>>720801262At this point "souls like" just means "you respawn after death but so do enemies".
>>720757836Nah bruh shit looks blandAlso Silksong wasn't that good anyways
>>720757836lol, there's a reason why many other devs delay their games when Silksong announced their release date.
>>720801754So, just an actual video game?
>>720802037Yes.Anything is a soulslike now.Minecraft is a soulslike because you respawn at the last checkpoint and need to go to the place where you last died to retrieve your stuff.
>>720799469I think they just fucked up who to market it to. I found this game through the Shaoling monk anti-China dude and I kind of hate the guy now.
>>720757836Gaming has a serious faggotry problem
>>720757836I'll be honest I'm tired of seeing these litwhos whine about a big dick metroidvania overshadow their rogue like walking sim. I'm putting them on my ignore list on Steam.
If you copy dark souls instead of making an original game you only have yourself to blame.
I really enjoyed Hell is Us.Playing on hard the combat was janky as fuck either piss easy or getting stunlock into a one shotBut the exploration and world building was immaculate, some of the puzzles were pretty inspired but its true that most of them were just inputting numbers and symbols from a piece of paper you found earlier. Also the way the zones and quests are connected is a bit counter intuitive, probably could have been better if every zone was about 90% self contained.Also also the first three zones are all open worldy so when you move to the fourth zone and beyond you are dreading another open world shit but then the rest of the zones are pretty cool self contained "adventures".Its hard to recommend at full price blind (t was worth for me) but i would wholeheartedly recommend it on a sale.Sorry for talking about videogames on a blame devs thread
if silksong is sotn, then hell is us is castlevania 64
i don't like the aesthetic unfortunately.
every time something fails they try to find something to blame >uh...uhm Concord failed because of Semen Guzzler Hero 2
>>720802037Well there's also the thing about having a limited healing source that you can only replenish by resting, which also respawns enemies.
for me its
>>720790098Still pretending to like metroidvania?
>>720799125>You telling me this is some kind of Zelda clone? Why didn't they say that?they did
>>720804026>>720803974>>720803925>its fucking ds3 rollslopI SHOULDVE KNOWNFUCK YOUR SHIT GAME
dungeons needed more interactive traps
>>720761550It's simple, you just need to hire the right marketing guys. Silksong was turbo astroturfed on any gaming event over the last 2 years. All they had to do is spam 'Silksong' in every Direct/SoP/Game Awards chat.They were louder than the people begging for GTA. If you think this is genuine you are legitimately retarded.btw. the marketing guy also did PR/Marketing for Stardew Valley
>>720761550Touch grass unironically. Hollow Knight was very popular, especially amongst women for some reason. The original HK was pretty much the only non-mobileshit game that I know I can talk to women about that always had positive reviews even way before Silksong. It's just a really popular game.
>>720804065Is Zelda rollslop?
>>720804314we're not allowed to criticize zelda combat even if it's completely shitty compared to ds3 but ds3 is slop, don't question it
>>720804395No sorry, I actually like gamesI don't shit on them because they're popular
>>720804314i only played the gameboy color zelda games
>>720757983Lol kys faggot
>>720758269I fucking kneel to silk song
Not super interested in a /v/browns thread where 90% of the people haven't played the game (or any game that is not a gacha in years) but this game was pretty good and getting good reception.Their decision to not delay though, is all on them. It was a dumb move
>>720781565Do you really need to use Chat GPT to make your point? The writing style is obnoxious. At least rewrite it in your own way.
The only metroidvania I think I've played is HollowKnight and Silksong and I really enjoyed them. Can any Metroidvaniafags recommend some other ones like it with cool bosses. Or I don't know, any that you think are the top tier metroidvanias.
>>720757983Top review I saw said "THIS IS BARELY A SOULSLIKE AND HAS ALMOST NO COMBAT". So I just fucking ignored its existence.
>>720805376Blasphemous and Castlevania SotN, but they aren't as good as hollow knight, let alone silksong.
At this point nobody should release a game, since every game might interfere with sales.
>>720805505I did try Blasphemous but for some reason the movement/attack animations felt weird
>>720803421some of the actual Souls games don't have that.
>>720762778>30-40hrsFirst ending sure. True ending is easily 50+ hours
>$50no wonder I didn't buy this piece of shit
>>720803312>Playing on hard the combat was janky as fuck either piss easy or getting stunlock into a one shot>But the exploration and world building was immaculateIs this another ELEX moment
>>720797574>read the notes in the levelThey're literally completely irrelevant and not helpful at all.>give him the item he asks forThat is not the Mystery called Hermit>hit the switchs that have the same symbols under them as the symbols on the door under the townNot even sure I know what door you're talking about
People blamed marketing, but it's not like they could delay, unlike silksong it's not a digital only game, physical copies were already ready if not shipped before Silksong revealing it's release dateit was a lose-lose situation, they got screwedsame for other games too
>>720757836It's really convenient for him that the game dropped when it did.If it didn't, he would have to blame himself for his game's faillure.
>>720807904are you a troll or just brain damaged?
>>720808241The mystery called Hermit has nothing to do with giving the Hermit the lenseThe hints in Lethe are dogshit.>"durr I'm an retard I'll use paintings for hints!">"he always says if only time moved backwards"All the paintings have dogshit hints>"In !!!!!!712!!!!!, king aster sucked !!!!47!!!! dicks", "in !!!!!!708!!!!!!, !!!!n!!!!! shit happened", etc.What's the fucking answer? 203213 or some shit. There's no maths forwards backwards or sideways that will get 2xx out if all the numbers they give. It was the first and only puzzle that made zero goddamn sense to me
>Spamming .webms of someone else's commercial product to promote it FOR FREEBefore you call me a hypocrite, I never talk about games I like. I already did enough buying the game; if they want to promote it they have to do it themselves.
>>720807923maybe they should've made a better game that gets people more excited than some silly little bug indie game made by 3 aussies in a basement?
>>720757836>I think a shadow drop is a bit like – wow,"You can't expect me to take you seriously if that's your argument, mr. whoever you are
>>720808568>It was the first and only puzzle that made zero goddamn sense to methat's because you're a retardlike a legitimate retard with reduced reasoning capacity compared to normal humansLOL what a retard
Why is it Team Cherry's responsibility to make sure other games can enjoy good launches and sales?
>>720808568>The mystery called Hermit has nothing to do with giving the Hermit the lensehe takes a picture of the combination for you, retardoyou're making all hius haters look even more retarded, keep going
>>720808665Silksong was going to be a success regardless of it's quality due to the spam online for years
>>720757983Shut up, dalit.
>>720808763Oh, cool. I figured it was named Hermit because it was just nearby him. That's indeed my badI don't hate the game btw>>720808712Explain the answr or you're full of shit
Hell Is Us is simply too high IQ. It's only for white people. It's the Baba Is You of action-adventure. That's why it's making /v/ browns and other assorted brainlets seethe so hard. That and they can't run UE5 ludo on their jeet craptops. To be fair you need to be very smart to solve "wait a minute that card" puzzles.
>>720808862I had my camera tilted too high and totally missed the car my first time through the hallway so that shit stumped me for a while too
>proudly remove all convenience features, even basic bitch ones manual saving>brag about it in interviews, game description, in game text on new game>cry when normies don't buy itBitches please, this retarded on all levels. You have a superadvanced sci-fi drone and it can't do basic geoinfo and tag what npc stands where that doesn't even make any sense.Not only that, all quests are fetch which sucks complete dicks, running around rubbing item X on NPC/door/chest Y see what fits. These pills in chapter 1 must be delivered immediately or quest fails. These other pills, also chapter 1, can only be obtained halfway through chapter 2. Retards.You want sales do something like greedfall. All the convenience features and sidequests that don't suck dicks, multiple approaches, dialogue skillchecks, etc.
It is amazing how big impact Silksong has on the industry, way more than your AAA UE5 slop.
what a gay pretentious name for a game
>>720808568>>720808858you're not supposed to use the dates but the numbers in the captions like "the king had 2 kids"i don't remember all of it but you're supposed to disregard the main painting with coronationand then sequence by reverse chronology
>>720757836should have done the right thing and postpone the launch, others were smart and did it
>>720809052Well that's interdasting
>>720809052the coronation one is used to unlock his PC that gives you the info about how he did he code. There is also another info piece that says to leave one painting out because he is making another, and he already redid the password accounting for is and provides the number. The secretary says "he said some bullshit about wishing time could go backwards" so you put the numbers in backwards.You LITERALLY just have to go look at 2 paintings in order and add in the third one from the note and then enter those numbers, remember she said backwards, and then enter them backwards.The guy who you are talking to is LITERALLY fucking retarded. Holy fucking kek /v/ and modern gamers are retarded. This shit is like babby's first puzzle
>>720766268should have made MC a sassy loli, would have been a smash hit
>it's Silksong's fault we made another tired SoulsshitI couldn't imagine being mad at a 2/5 like Silksong when all you're doing is making yet another derivative 1/5 turd
>>720757836>noooooooooooooooooo you can't just release a product without asking (((us))) first????????????what is going on with this industry, a bunch of games get released every single day, bro is just mad because this one was successful and he has to cope with his low sales
>>720809305wait until he has to put three book titles in order. That's three things instead of two
the second they asked players to solve puzzles one step removed from that Bioshock Infinite opening it was over.The modern gamer would probably die trying to play Myst.
>>720757836>"I don't have any specific numbers,"he said, "at least not at this time. But for sure it did."350,000 mostly from typhus
The world needs less indie devs. Let's stop pretending we need a new shitty indie game every day. Though OP's game is pretty cool.
>>720809484I'm at the end of the game and the safe combo is the only puzzle I had to guide for
I wanted to play this but what put me off was the "grim look into le evil human condition" shit. Just can't stomach some gamedev hippies wagging their index finger at me like it's sanic doing a psa at the end of the episode.
>>720809349trvke nvkem
>all these people praising Ori so much over other titles while simultaneously saying Will of the Wisps is better than Blind Forestscrew you!!!Blind Forest has a much more beautiful world, fully utilizes the potential of Ori's moveset, has actually proper balance that keeps the whole game engaging, bash onwards its much more about killing enemies in more creative/environmental ways, and feels like a much more complete journey even with its shorter runtime.Will of the Wisps on the other hand.. It adds all these new great moves and combat features which are amazing, but then it criminally underuses the potential of Ori's moveset because of how pathetic and anemic the enemies are 90% of the time, a total waste. The escape sequences are so much weaker, except for one, the sandworm, which was overtuned on release and then nerfed to the ground so it was actually never in a good spot. The balance in that game is atrocious, if you get some health cells and shards you end up extremely tanky in the lategame, the heal skill is completely braindead, and the balance of shards are a joke. Not to mention all the incredibly superfluous shards. So much weak and undeliberate afterthought shit like respawning energy crystals in bossfights.. why didnt they just make Catalyst a default mechanic? Also in WOTW you really feel limited with your slots and there should have been a way to swap across 3 without pausing the action. The backgrounds are so much worse, most of them have extreme ugly DoF that was used to hide so much detail being watered down from the game right before release for the sake of performance (read: moon became jobbers and cant optimize shit, see their latest game)1/2
>>720809820It's not that bad to be honest. It's not one-sided and/or so on the nose, like the fucking refugees in BG3.
>>720809606That's shockingly low. Any soulslike can pull more than that because the genre is still hot. Even Wuchang sold a million copies.
>>720809820It's really not and shockingly not preachy.The 'human condition' here is all outside manipulation from secret and powerful forces and emotional warping from an object that is extraterrestrial or supernatural, it's ambiguous. This is a ethnic hated like in many other countries in many other times periods only amped up to the max via the things I mentioned over more than 6000 years and those are actual spoilers so be advised
>>7208098652/2Even though the game is longer, it feels less complete, because theres CUT CONTENT UP THE ASS and so many story elements feel way too forced. So many elements blatantly suffered a lot of scope reduction and ended up pretty shallow, like that little town hub, that looks like a joke in comparison to the little Bellhart from SS.Gameplay wise its just a so much less polished and bold game, and it removes some genuinely great unique features like the soul link mechanic because it was harder to make the game around it. Aesthetics wise its a 999x more contrived story (kino ending but they didnt know how to justify it). Aesthetics wise theres so many backgrounds that stick out as uglier in random corners, water often looks fucked up from underneath, it has so much more reliance on forced "LOOK AT THIS PRETTY BACKGROUND" rooms as opposed to consistent depth to them (60% of rooms look like a corridor), the menus flow less smoothly, all that shit. They were really being carried by the previous talent from Blind Forest, 70% of which left their studio, and the ultimate result is how terrible their third game is currently goingt. the most autistic ori fan on earth. Other than maybe these deranged furfagsdont get me wrong i still really enjoyed will of the wisps though!! its good. But BF MOGS!!!!
>>720808665Maybe the general gaming audience needs better taste
>lived long enough to see /v/ hate on jjbgrim
>we have to... compete?>capitalism, save us!
There is something very ironic about condemning people for having shit taste because they rejected... a Soulslike.
>>720811689used to be they weren't alive for the original Dude Sex but now HR is that old grim indeed
>>720812112but it's notit's like when I say you're straight, I'm clearly wrong
>>720812112everyone who played it says its not a soulslike but people who havent played it are very vocal about it being a soulslikemeanwhile we will not acknowledge souls influences on silksong and how hk got its popularity by labeled itself "2d soulslike"mentally ill board with zero self awareness
>>720812353it's pretty funny that the zooms have zero frame of reference for video games so they call everything a soulslike when this game's combat is pretty much Nier Automata even down to how it's rather basic.
>>720812353>everyone who played it says its not a soulslike>>720757983 says otherwise.
>>720812502>a retard on 4chan is retarded therefore....you're pretty retarded yourself
>>720812472yeah, with Nioh's Ki Pulse except more busted because it heals stamina and life. On Expert or whatever I stopped blocking and parrying because with the Greatsword I could recover so much life I could tank the hits.Also means I would die if I missed a ki pulse heal but it was pretty fun.The combat really is secondary in this game, though.
>>720812540Being "the best Soulslike since Dark Souls 1" has been the most common praise Hell is Us has gotten.It's a Soulslike, which makes it another derivative game that deserved its failure, Silksong or not.
>>720757836>>720757983Seething retard shill
>>720812823>Being "the best Soulslike since Dark Souls 1" has been the most common praise Hell is Us has gotten>because one retard on /v/ said it>meanwhile go to Steam reviews>type "Dark Souls" into control+ f search box>one result >says the game is not like Dark Souls at alllmaololkekand evenjej
>>720761550Silk song has a SEVEN YEAR AD CAMPAIGN and you're here talking about >suddenlyPeople KNOW this game, simple as.
>>720757836Isn't his game in the AA space and not really competing with HK?
>>720757836I don't give a fuck but it genuinely is a sinister tactic to release big games like this lol. They do gobble up sales of other titles and they seem to do better for themselves on account of the hype people have for them. I don't think Oblivion would have sold so well if it wasn't dropped like it did and it's happened to other games too like Valkyria Chronicles and some others. I do find it funny when indie shitters complain though. But I can imagine a good game getting fucked over by plays like this too.
90% of Silksong "fans" haven't even played or finished Hollow knight.
>>720761550Competent game with a somewhat cutesy artstyle. I think it was a generational thing, Hollow Knight being a gateway to gaming for lots of younger people. Personally I only played the minimum amount needed to get through, it didn't grab me much.
>>720771073That was one of the big game review sites, IGN or RPS or something.
>>720782662to be fair, hasselhoff Does look retarded, i say that having watched knight rider as a kid.
>>720764143Ds3 is when the series went to shit
>you HAVE to consult us before you release a gameThis is the sentiment I'm getting from devs.
Didn't Hollow Knight launch for $10 and sell millions of copies? It's like they want to ignore where the hype came from in the first place.Protip for indies and the small unknown studios: follow their example and make a cheap, fun game. Instead of treating it like your job to make games, treat it like you're making a game you actually want to play yourself. Do you have an actual vision beyond trying to capitalize on trends? If not, you deserve to fail. Nobody cares that you quit your job to work on some slop game that you want to push out as cheap and quickly as possible. There are plenty of indie developers who spend all of their free time for years making a game (not a "product") and bringing their vision to life. People not in it for the money. Gamers making games. When a game has soul, you can feel it and it's not something you can just replicate. Find a better way to make money. We have enough shovelware.
>>720814709they will call gamers entitled in the same breath they personally demand control over pricing, release dates, the content of games, etc.
>>720812502DS combat is the most basic 1 on 1 thing where you hit a single button and then another to retreat, like a turn based game, playing it like two 3 year olds would play checkers.In Hell, you won't get far playing like that. The game wants you to ungabunga while also playing tactically. There are no estus flasks so you must combo the enemy to make the lost HP gauge fill up, and then you have to press another button and time it properly to get the actual health back, sorta like in Nioh with the ki pulse faggotry but for health. Combos also increase the damage you do, so the basic dark souls approach is further disincentivized. You might think the game heavily disfavors the player but they give you enough tools to survive if you play it smart. The who has 4 ability slots, starts with a spell that can distract an enemy for a pretty long time, rendering them useless. It also works on 1v1 fights giving you free charged attack or lets you initiate a combo safely. Against some linked enemies, you can abuse the distraction to fully heal for free. Like 5-8 hours in, you get your other 3 abilities tied to the weapon and an active pendant, making it more moba-styled and by this point there's no trace of dark souls left in it.
I actually greatly enjoyed this game it looks beautiful too.It's something different in a sea of shit but i could feel the cut content. I also had a strong feeling there was supposed to be much more about the alien angle
>>720757836>Soulsloppayawnnn...
>>720768346nigger im running 2k maxed on a 3060 12gb, try that in randy's garbage.
>>720768763I'm playing on a 270x at 30fps. Already better than the console experience
someone in here really said this game which means by extension all other games in it's genre are soullike...that's enough /v/ for me to last an entire 3 months
>>720810081I really do wonder what kind of stories will flood out when Moon dies. Everyone likes to talk about how all the game industry firings are HR managers and diversity agents but something has to seriously suck ass at their studios to consistently lose actual talent like that. I hope the artists at least get snapped up by a dev who knows what kind of game they want to make.
God why are indie devs such little BITCHES
>>720757983>with an incredible story.kek. Go ahead. Explain me the story. I played the game I just wanna listen to you spouting nonsence. inb4 people are capable for unimaginable violence when they are convinced they are right... like bro hell is us
>>720761893i guess souls invented dodging and parying. Also levels with shortcuts and checkpoints. Nobody has done that before. You forget that dodging does not work like in souls. Parrying does not work like in souls. But hey, you don't lvl up. So its just like sekiro am I right?
>>720767406>Okay first of all literally none of the puzzles in the entire game are that easy so let's just not do that.lmao THEY ARE ALL EASY AS FUCK HAHAHAHAHAH. Try playing Lorelai you dumb retard
>>720767782its not that they are unsolvable but they are boring. Reading though text logs after text logs just for a number sequence is fucking boring. Once...twice...5 times...its ok. But in this game its all you do
