Use the fucking claw, retards.
Punishing≠difficultThe game just uses padding.
Just did the courier rasher delivery through Greymoor, Sinner's Road and Exhaust Organ (I don't have double jump). Took me four tries but wasn't too bad.
grimm minus half of what made grimm so kino
>>720761963Thanks for bumping the threads as always.
WHAT HARPOON ARE YOU GUYS TALKING ABOUT?
>>720761812I love these personifications of the Hollow-games bugs.
TROBBIOOOO
>>720761998Did you rest at bench or no?
>>720761812>Not twin tailsShit interpretation
wat do?
Act 3 should've been the entire map of hallownestkinda like a pokemon gold/silver deal, maybe a bit more streamlined but still"oh abyss, i know just the thing for that" instead of "ayooooo let me pull a flower out of my asshole but only after i collect 3 more mcguffin for a ritual"
>>720762072Cleared the route out and then ran through without resting.
How the hell do I start act 3? I've found all the fleas I can so far, grabbed a bunch of items, fought First Sinner, did Bilewater and Ducts.
act 3 10 second animation to enter the coral tower is awful
>>720762197I wish more games did Kanto/jhoto like pokemon.
>>720762146get hornet pregnant
>>720762146Come back if you have anything she wants.
>>720762197>>720762224act 3 is the biggest diappointment ive had in a videogame in years. everything about it is anti fun
>>720762220Do all the side quests. Don't sit down and slay a path before starting the meat quest.
I'll be honest bros I am interested in act 3 just to bring this void stuff to a close but all the empowered bosses just have cancer movesets and all the gimmicks are tiring. I'm ready for the game to end. Team Cherry bloated the game a bit too much.>inb4 just don't interact with the bloatYou kind of got to if you want to become strong enough. If I tried to beat Karmalita with 1 nail upgrade and 6 masks I'd never succeed.
>>720762146get raped and impregnated
>>720761812>fighting a fast needle-wielding humanoid boss>"i'm gonna equip Cross-Stitch, it'll make the battle so cool">parry his attack, do the counter-attack>since it doesn't stagger the boss, they just attack me again as i exit the riposte animationBRAVO, Team Cherry
>>720761963explain how its punishing without giving an example that you can avoid by simply being better at the game
>>720762220need to have the flea wagon at all the spots and something more
>>720762297Thanks for the bump.
>>720762293Well what item is wanted? I'm about to end Act 2, i assume it's a Act 3 thing then?
>>720761812Does 90% of the enemies in the game need to this gay run away and hit tactic? I just want to fight.
>>720762331You have a few i-frames at the end of the animation. Skill issue.
>>720762039The one you get in the Underworks after White Ward
>>720762376You can find it in act 2, but you find a screaming parasite in bilewater by dropping down from above, then go to the plant shaman you gave the poison flowers to. The ripperdoc is part of the sidequest afterwards.
>>720762376Nope, there's even an ending for it in act 2.
>>720761963Filtered
>>720762376Nah you can get it act 2 and there's an exclusive ending related to it
>>720762389Then fight, do you want every enemy to stand still and just fall dead for you?
I got all the way to Lost Lace a few days ago then got sick to the point that I can't clutch out a fight. Really frustrating way to end the game.
I feel like Act 3 is what Team Cherry always wanted to do in HK but just didn't have the money or time to do it.I think if they were allowed to make Hollow Knight again, a huge part of the world would get infected not just the crossroads.They wanted their inverted castle moment and well... I think they succeeded in doing it.
>>720762146Go someplace nasty and keep your eyes open And don't forget about your friend in ShellwoodLace (and Phantom) are characters I've been thinking a lot about purely because I feel like there's so much that could have been done with them that we unfortunately never get to see. >Lace acting like a sadistic child around people other than Hornet>Lace and Pantom actually interacting like sisters (or Lace observing Phantom from afar and yearning to make that connection despite it being hopeless)>GMS showing subtle value in Lace despite her feeling like she's being neglected, in ways Lace is too angry to realize or care about>Etc Blade Runner Replicant type shit about being an artificial mockery of life with a fragile lifespansmhing my head at all this fanfic bait
>>720762297its painfully obvious the whole thing started with "we want to do the void so that the knight can cameo for redditors" and the entire story was shoehorned working backwards from there (and the gameplay to go with it, because TC's autism demands the lore comes first and the gameplay fits around it)
>>720762376You missed a bilewater entrance in the whispering vaults, or you are carrying a crying child and are too stupid to figure out its obvious owner.
>>720762335what's the matter with her?
There only reason they nerfed Moorwing is because players were getting the Reaper crest just before fighting it, and that crest sucks dick.
>>720762314Nothing on the boards and I've done the meat quest already (if its the one where I need to use tools).>>720762356They have arrived at the big area with clean water next to the Ducts. I suppose I should head back now that all the fleas that NPC marked on the map are done but I don't have the achievement for getting them all.
>>720762582That's exactly what it is, in many ways silksong feels like what they wanted to do with hollow knight if they had more budget and time.
Desuu I'm exploring all the areas of the map, if this is not enough to unlock act 3 then I'm uninstalling.
>>720762582100%i cant imagine how fucking selfindulgent hk would be if they had the same resources to make it lmao
>>720762686Then save yourself the bother and uninstall now
>>720762690Wtf a mod or edit?
>>720761812what's up with the giant bell in underworks next to the delver's drill tool?
>>720762690Cute :3
>>720762332Punishing means you get punished more by mistakes.For example steel mode. Dying deletes your save. Malenia or sans are not punishing. You start the battle right after. Bilewater is punishing, it forces backtracking. 2 hits are more punishing than 1. A game mode when even 1 hit deletes your save file is more punishing.
>>720762682Yeah and it really just shows that devs need pressure or otherwise they'd just throw in any garbage they can regardless of if its a good idea or not
>>720762690DONT LOSE YOUR WAYYYYYYY
>>720762605seems to me like she was eating weaverspawn to survive/absorb them and simply couldn't stop regressing into a ravenous beast by the time Hornet came along
>>720762675If you didn't shove a cog heart into a mechanoid, go do that around the citadel. Else you should be able to go to the first chapel and talk to the old grump
Have we figured what out what prompts the crits with wanderer?
>>720760571Thank you anon you saved my bacon with that reaper trick.
>>720762319Coral tower could have a bench after each room, but then fromsoftdrones would cry.
>>720762690Why is this old hag wearing a school uniform?
I am hunting for the last silk spool part and it's driving me insaneI have resorted to using an online guide, check all the locations, and I have them allAll quests, vendors, locations and secretsWHERE THE FUCK IS THE LAST ONE
>>720762690
>>720762542>to stand still and just fall dead for you?I want them to use their attacks to kill me as quickly as possible I don't want the whole game to be dragonflies blitzkrieging me
I hate the High Halls.I hate the choir bugs.I hate the neverending gauntletI hate this fucking game. Dropped.
>>720762759Don't worry about it, just continue with the game and make sure to get the fleas/do all the sidequests
>>720762840Luck
>>720762840just luck, it's a 2% chanceyou also need to have enough silk stored for 1 heal
>>720762783It shows the opposite.
how the fuck am i supposed to beat that savage beastfly NIGGERthere's way to much happening on the fucking screen
>>720762020Her theme is gigakino tho.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsDlqPlZQkc
Well that's interesting. You can take the quill here if you haven't bought it yet.
>>720762868Whiteward elevator?
>>720762967Oh wait what
Is it cheating if I install the mod that gives hornet a massive ass and tits?
>>720762840Need enough silk in stock for a heal to enable crit. Also dice increase crit chance
Crests are a noob trap and I am not kidding. The fact that so many of you are having trouble with very easy bosses and suggesting specific crests to deal with them is only further evidence. I used nothing but Hunter for the entire game and did not had any trouble with any particular boss or platforming segment. The only exception to this is Architect which is only busted due to sub-weapons being incredibly powerful and already boss-killers without it.
>>720762891Use the fucking claw, you little bitch.
>>720762995I hope Trobbio won't be too mad I took it.
>>720762759Don't ever post worst 2hu girl again.
>>720762389Every single flying enemy, bosses included, will be an absolute faggot that attacks the runs to the opposite side of the screenAbuse poison tools, fliggers deserve the cheese
>>720762020it's easily the best fight in Silksong
>>720763061lol you platformed with the dumb pogo
>>720762967Oh, that's interesting. I imagine this was done just in case, because you can get locked in the Citadel for a bit before finding the Bellway. Better to give you potential for filling in the map, then making you wait to get back to Shakra. Strange that they thought of things like this and not checking to make sure you could get out of some of these softlocks.
Where do I get the tool that is below Memory crystal?
>>720762830Did that. I have the baby but I ignored it for map clearing and flea gathering. I also have the wisp place so I guess I'm not done yet. Kind of sucks how many hoops you have to jump through so I can do similar shit all over again.
>boss is knocked out and you're free to hit him>STILL get hit upon contacti fucking hate indie shit so much, it's the only type of games with this abysmal level of polishthese faggot devs have clearly never play tested it before release
>>720762842Ayo what in the hell is this
what is the definitive shitter crest?
>>720762825Wasnt she trying to sustain her artificial children ?
>>720762964100%, just a shame the fight doesnt live up to it>>720763091HAHAHAHAHAgo back
>>720763061Hunter becomes super busted as soon as it evolves. Wanderer is really good too though. Reaper pogo can be really useful in a few cases.
Okay, let's go 10 posts without anyone crying about getting filtered or asking a dumb question that can be answered by just continuing to play the game. Starting... NOW.
>>720763061>did not had
>>720762063I like the Trobbio fights a lot, but I wish that some of his attacks didn't flashbang you and obfuscate where he isI have the same problem with Lost Lace, filling the screen with stuff all the same color as the boss itself is a pain in the ass
>>720763206Poison tool architectYou don't even have to interact with the boss in any meaningful way
>>720763091until you get to phase 3 maybethen it nosedives off a cliff
Has anyone tested if you can use benchwarping to trivialize the meat quest?
>>720763081>that attacks the runs to the opposite side of the screenWow so fun might as well have been turn based
>>720763091lol no
>>720763343it's just phase 2 but faster, what's the problem?
What's the general consensus on the platforming difficulty? Personally I love it because I have previous precision platforming experience (and I also recently played Lone Fungus which is way harder in that regard too) but it definitely feels like a lot of the hidden paths would give the average player a lot of trouble.
>>720763371You can't, none of the courier items stay in your inventory after save-quitting
>>720763371Doesn't dying just destroy the meat?Or is benchwarping some kinda glitch you can do
>>720763420I love that the world is more engaging to traverseBUT I wish we had a dedicated Path of Pain segment
>>720763371I accurately guess that quitting makes the meat vanish.
I wish it was easier to Needolin things, because after landing it on Trobbio I'm curious if I can do it to all the other bosses.
>>720763420I never had issue with plataforming in this game, and I used hunter crest the whole game. I think it's one of the most enjoyable aspects of the game.
>>720763486>dedicated Path of Pain segmentthat's what Mt Fay is supposed to be
>>720763420I'm really hoping the DLC has some kind of platforming gauntlet like the original HK did, the platforming feels like it underutilizes your moveset like 90% of the time
soul/void magic > silk
>>720763091It's the 5th best fight tied with Khann1. First Sinner2. Second Sentinel3. Cogwork Dancers4. Last Judge
only shitters hate the Karmalita fight
>>720763420I didn't have a problem with most of it, and I actually love how they involved platforming more in most areas of the game. I liked spending a day trying to do path of pain, back in the day, and I feel like I got better since them.
>>720763420I played Aeterna Noctis recently so all platforming felt easy.
>>720763537Absolutely not lmaoMount Fay is very chillThe closest thing we got is the cradle climb
im so fed up of input reading bullshit. the more i play this game the more my opinion of it drops
>>720763420Speaking of Lone Fungus, there were one or two platforming sections where I pressed Y out of muscle memory trying to pogo and absolutely ate shit. I'd say overall it's at a good level once you get used to the diagonal pogo and needing to hit with the needle, and I like the variety of challenges in some of the later gauntlets especially. My only gripe is that the harpoon taking silk means you can basically never heal during a gauntlet and often have to do awkward stuttersteps to buy time.
>>720763537Mt Fay is more like White Palace and even then it's easier imo
>>720763575I cannot fight her with only one hand
>>720762690>Hornet upskirts when she uses the float ability>She is wearing pink pantiesWhy has no one made this?
>>720763537But Sands of Karak is far more challenging?
>>720763371It doesn't, at least you can kill everything and not sit down to easily turn it in
>>720763420Its not difficult but some segments can be challenging with needing to time your movement options correctly
>>720763575>lace in Sstopped reading right there
>>720763587I would've put up with that game more if the protag didn't have that stupid swaying animation every time you stopped moving, and you have to wait for it to finish to open chests.
>>720763420all the other aspects of the game feel more punishing, like the game is still too scared to do crazy platforming or touhou dodging crap. the move set with 2 different dashes is wayyy to horizontal so the game never even has full moveset platforming because it'd be 3 screens wide
>>720763415the problem is that combining "randomly chains attacks into other attacks" and "has an extremely tight punish window you have to be very aggressive to hit" is bad designhalf her attacks stop being realistically punishable in any way because if she decides to chain afterwards then you're taking unavoidable damage, so it just becomes a waiting game where you wait for the spin move and the room-crossing charge and pogo them to slowly whittle her down which ruins the flow of the fightor just skip it with tools which is also bad design lol
>>720762475>>720762593>>720762584>it was a breakable door i missed in a path i discovered 25+ hours ago
Doing a HK runback and getting filtered by Nighmare King Grimm. Any tips? I have all charms and upgrades btw.
>>720763420Once I figured out how to use the clawline properly for platforming, most of the challenges were pretty trivial. The only one that actually felt super difficult to me was the optional platforming climb above the cradle that leads to the surface. And even that was mostly because it was so punishing on mistakes, as hitting the thorns even once would send you back massively.
>>720763575Karmalita and lost lace turn into obnoxious spammers in phase 3.
>>720763540This, so much platforming can be trivialized when the hazards are pogo-able. I ignored 99% of the Abyss platforming because you cna just bounce on the spikes.
>>720763489There's a charm that makes it easier.
What kind of insect name is Seth? Seems rather immersion breaking. Like calling the endgame bosh "Josh"
>>720763003>increases your hurtbox while constantly distracting youIf anything it would be hard mode.
>>720763575I don't hate her fight, but it's overrated as fuck. Besides the music, it's nothing special. First Sinner, Cogwork Dancers, Lace, Seth, Phantom and Widow are all better.
>>720762584You did at least see the silk memory in the organ, right?
>>720763682Lace is kino and wife
>>720762979Done that one and everything else>above Bone Bottom>Weavenest Atlas>Deep Docks above the Lava platforms>Deep Docks behind the door that requires a key>Greymoor>courier mission>Grindle>Songclave merchant>Whiteward elevator>Sherma quest>Flea Caravan>Grand Gate>Cogwork Core>The Slab>Underworks after the gauntlet>Underworks under the elevator>Memorium>High HallsThat's 18, but somehow I am stuck with oneI have double and triple checked all the locations and vendors
what the fuck was the point of this exactly? i already finished the game at 100%i kept carrying this shit into the phantom arena and in the trabbio one thinking it'd unlock something but nothing happens
>>720763845I did, which is what got me wishing there was more
>>720763575Based, prince would be better than dancers if it was longer with a better runback.
Can i reach the upper parts of Verdania in the real world?
>>720763818It's the name of a kid who died of cancer who got his bug OC in as a make-a-wish thing. That's why the bug's name is Seth, and it's also presumably why the fight is cancer.
>>720763818It's a make a wish OC
>>720763420It's mostly good, mt. Fay could've used some more play testing
>>720762584>>720763845This?
>>720763818too far man, too far
>>720763936Yeah
>>720763597Git gud
>>720763863it unlocks being able to more easily do the equivalent of the dream nail to enemies to hear their thoughts>>720763936Yep
>>720763420Platforming requires you to actually know how to use your pogo, dashes, and harpoon in tandem so it's little wonder as to how most people are getting filtered by it. It's super fun though, better than it ever was in Hollow Knight
>>720763892No. You effectively just have the ghost of an entire section on the map now for no reason.
>>720763860I've heard that the flea caravan one can glitch and you don't get it.
>>720763420Easier than Path of Pain. But at the same time is much more fun because you have more tools and entirely unique movesets.
I'm late into the game and i just saw my friend getting captured into the slab, where the fuck do i find the jailer...
>>720763575lace is not good, and especially not the final fight
>>720763206Architect. Wanderer at least requires you to not be a shitter in the original HK.
>>720763753Just git gud, learn his movement and enjoy the fight.
>>720764012If you've already opened the door between the Citadel and the Slab it's too late. They're randomly in rooms around the map before that.
>>720763753Equip the lifeblood charms to boost your hp and forget healing. Sharp Shadow also really useful to give a lit bit of damage when he does the horizontal dash.
>>720764025What's wrong with Lace 1 and Lace 2?
I think it would have been cool if there was a boss you encounter in a pit and you're constantly falling down and have to pogo off it but also its shooting tentacles or lasers at you so you have to use your grappling hook to dodge them and then when you defeat it and get to the bottom it has a second phaseThis is a picture I drew to illustrate the idea
>>720763682Lost Lace is the best fight in the game.She has every type of attack, doesn't spawn adds and moves fast.
>>720764071No...
>>720763206Architect with poison tools or Reaper
>>720763206architect or longclaw wanderer
>>720762582I think it would have been really interesting had Hollow Knight been like that. And people in these threads shit on act 3 a lot. But I genuinely really do think act 3 is really cool. And it could be "fixed" (if you insist on a "fix" even being necessary) very, very easily. If the Elegy of the Deep just worked on more things and it had a little more content, then Act 3 would quickly turn from just cool to a genuine highlight. Fuck if you just double the amount of stuff the song works on, then Act 3 would quickly up an Act 3 where you find the 'secret' high difficulty challenges and or additional hidden memory regions. And that would be really cool. It's already kind of cool. People already praise how much they like the Karmelita boss fight or how striking the Coral Tower whatever is. It has very memorable and engaging moments. It just runs out of significant content pretty quickly since it just has 3(+1) places that the song even works on. And while the Void Infested world map might not be the most exciting thing ever to re-explore the entire world again if you already did so thoroughly in Act 2 and Act 1. But having the remixed world map as you move between the actually significant Act 3 objectives, is really cool. At least cooler if the world hadn't been remixed at all. Act 3 is already rather cool as is. And it has all the building blocks for even further greatness. People really shit on Act 3 too much. Even if the game never received any further content updates I'll still hold on to the claim that Act 3 is cool as is. Combing through the world in detail again might just not be super satisfying (but you don't technically even need to do it). But if any of the future DLC just adds some more content to Act 3, I really do think it could not only stand on its own easily, but be the game's highlight. And yet people talk about the act as if there is something fundamentally wrong with it. It's just a tad content light.
>>720764076simple, boring, not standout in any categorythe arena in the second fight is alright but that's it
>>720763985Someone should make a mod to highlight Verdania like the other maps. This shit is bothering me so much
>>720763723I was just running in and out hitting her when she threw daggers, pogo off the spin drop, and had cross stitch for all her melee attacksif she ever tried to do a follow up I just out ran herit's the best fight to force you to string all your movement tools together while still feeling fair and doesn't fill the entire screen with bullshit
>>720763575Karmalita's mostly shit because she, and the other Memory bosses, are obviously just cut content slapped in the final act so people won't ask where some of the most iconic bosses from the reveal trailer went.
>>720764079quick get in the time machine and kickstart $1000
>>720764079That does sound cool but I can see the bottomless pit being a bit of a problem map design wise.
>>720763715>touhou dodging crapI am glad they didn't do this because 1. it would suck ass with the long dashes, delayed double jump and the angled pogo 2. it's a boss design cop-out.
>>720763892The game shows you can't, just like part of the citadel in act 3.
>>720764198I think that's dismissive. The entire point of Act 3 is the vibe of "huh, that ending to Act 2 was weird" and having boss trailers that were clearly not in the game to the point of walking by their corpse is designed to reinforce that feeling of disquiet
Is it okay to smack him awake instead of going EIRAAA
dude wtf is this, i'm stuck
>>720764243Have it be like the bell dropdown where once the fight is over it's just a segmented gap of indeterminate distance
>>720763985>for no reasonThe whole point was to show what once was, wdym for no reason?
Coral Tower is kind of annoying
Question: What's the deal with the second sentinel? I have fought him in act 2, and now he randomly shows up again in act 3, is there another fight or something?
>act 1 is fine but drags on, decent enough intro>act 2 is good besides the final boss>act 3 is complete ass for 15 hours straight, except for a few boss fightswhat went wrong in development
>>720763104>some of these softlocks.Are there soft locks I need to worry about? I'm halfway through my second playthrough. Luckily I didn't get soft locked in my first and haven't yet gotten soft locked in my second. But are there things I should be worried about? Wait. Wait a second. You mean like how you can get stuck underneath the Whiteward lift if you jump down to the hole beneath it while you've already pressed the button to send the lift down? That'd count I suppose. I tried that out of curiosity once, but I could just save/quit to the bench above.
>>720764341Play the needolin you animal
>>720764349if you hit a scale from beneath it'll move
>>720764381Yeah, she'll eventually put a wish on the Songclave board
>>720764349Hit the scales with needle
>>720764000quest rewards are the one thing I can't check I guesswhat do I do now
>>720763575Replace Lace 2 with Widow
>>720763575>>720763682>replace lace1 with lace2>delete her from cradle>make lace3 harderThere I fixed her. Well not the character only the fights.
is there a hint anywhere?????
>>720763564for me it's >Karmelita>Lost Sinner>Lace 2>Second Sentinel>TROOOBIOOOOO
>>720764404I tell myself each act was storyboarded by a different dev
this fucking thing makes platforming harder and awkward
>>720764515Talk to Mergwinn and he'll give you a hint.
>>720762967Jesus christ what a fun detail
>>720764515In the quest giver.
>>720764515Yes, from the questgiver. He only gives one at a time.
>>720764448>>720764413well yeah i can see the scales are moving but i can't go higher than like 2 scales
Where do I find it?
I hope we get a godhome style dlc where we can refight each of the bosses
>>720764515You have to go back to the bug that gave you the quest
>>720764198eh, i didn't get that feeling from her at all. she's in a whole section of the map that has other reasons to be there like sprintmaster swift or that one dumb quest boss, and there's even other NPCs you can meet there like gilly.meanwhile jobber king and coral tower were obviously supposed to be an area but got cut, nyleth was definitely supposed to have a whole queen's gardens type area but ended up with 2 screens, and verdania is shitty and empty since the only thing in the entire area is the lazy rehash of cogwork dancers.
>>720764515>courier's rasher>there are two couriers in the game>vintage nectar>there's a literal bar in-game that sells nectaryou do the math, anon.
>>720762967I wonder what happens if you wait until Act 3.
>>720764452Keep checking the other locations until you accept that the quest bugged out.
>>720764618Hey, hey, there's also the deer with Kirby's cutter ability and no other moves
kinoso far Act III pretty much redeems the game for me
>>720764515Except for Crustnut, the names give it away where (or who with) to find each ingredient.
>>720764404They were making cool assets first and then forgot to make it fit with the plot. Coral Tower deserved SO much better.
>>720764660Same. That's exactly what I'm gonna try to find out.
>>720761963the ultimate padding is the 35 second runback + elevator to lace 2. There are no enemies, there is no threat in the runback.. it's a pure time waste???? i don't understand
>>720762967Does the Map and Quill item in the inventory reflects the look of this quill? Could a thing to aim for in a "perfect" run.
do i need double jump or something? cuz i can't go higher than this
>>720764132>If the Elegy of the Deep just worked on more things and it had a little more content, then Act 3 would quickly turn from just cool to a genuine highlight.I think it's the perfect DLC fodder mechanic.Same way the dream na accomodated so many dlc events in HK.
>>720764670surprising, for most people it's the most disappointing part of the game
>>720764743You do have sprint, right? You've been using that as an airdash, right?
>>720764743you don't need it but it's pretty painful
>>720764752Most people are one guy autistically spamming these threads.
>>720764297It's not dismissive I think, I'm not discrediting the fights themselves. The issue comes in the fact that these moments had more areas to them than just the boss fights, we saw there were more areas to them. Even if they stayed as ghost memories, the fact that only the optional Green prince section has an actual fully-fledged area, while everyone else gets one tiny place with arenas gating the boss, and that they all have their own dedicated fauna to kill, tells more to me that they had bigger plans but chose to cut things for one reason or another. Maybe the couple of playtesters they had said that Act 3 was already too big and they chose to reduce its size, because I doubt that they'd cut an entire Ant colony area for no reason after Ari said that he had to restrain himself from drawing more concepts because "all of this HAD to be put in the game"
>>720764743i got stuck in the same spot but managed to platform out of it and get back up to the citadeli don't remember exactly how but i do remember it was a pain in the asspretty sure they expect you to have clawline before you go here
>>720764724>35 sec runback>For lace 2Where the fuck were you respawning? There's a bench right next to the elevator
>>720764665did Team Cherry cuck me out of 100% or is there a way to fix it
You know what a lot of the bosses in act 3 like Seth feel like? Like Team Cherry watched the youtube showcases for modded Hollow Knight bosses. Like pic related. The cancer-designed variations of existing bosses that had their attack patterns and behavior deliberately tuned to be obnoxious and super fast and full of cheap "gotchas" for the player.Too many Silksong bosses feel like they were designed the same way as pic related. I'm at the point where I'm just tired of this shit and just spamming poison cogflies at the bosses waiting for them to die so I can get them out of the way and see more of the game.
>>720764790yeah but i can't sprint jump any higher than this
>>720764606
>>720764743You can get to the top without it if you strike the scales in the right order. Leave the room to reset them.
>>720764882this game is for all the hardcore players for sure
>>720764297I think it's a meta narrative.I think Team Cherry originally conceived Silksong to have this coral area, have a major ant boss, and Verdania. But throughout development they probably felt, during the Citadel's development most likely, that these areas should have been decimated.And so they become memories in Act 3.
>>720764481Artist ?
>losing to first sinner spawns you back outside the arenaHOLY FVARK WHY WASN'T THIS A THING BEFOOOOOREEEETEEEAMM CHEEEEEEEEERRYYYYYYYYYYYYY
>cheesednothin personnel
>>720764882I just found out the backstory of Seth.Bros...
>>720764882You are memeing broOnly Lost Lace feels like that and she's still fun as hell
>>720764982Nevermind, I need to read the watermark more often.
>>720764985because it's annoying having to run both ways to change your loadout
>>720764985>Spawn outside of arena>Fractured mask isn't restored and neither are shardsIt's the thought that counts
>>720764882It's kinda wild seeing so many differing opinions on late game bosses. Some some they were easy, some say they were moderately difficult, and some people think they were terribly designed
>>720764867yes, running from that bench to the elevator, and slowly taking the elevator, takes 35 seconds in total. The animation is SLOW AS FUCK. the door slowly opens,hornet enters, looks to the sky, the light comes down and envelops the elevator, the door closes, and then you need to wait for it to go up. The game needs to then load the boss room, at which point the elevator needs to rise into the stage. Then it comes to a stop, the door opens, and hornet slowly walks out. In total, it is 35 seconds.
I thought people were kind of overexagerating with the bullshit difficulty but my fucking god that piece of shit in Bilewater is basically every single fucking criticism I've ever seen of this game rolled into one cunt. I am NOT fucking doing this prick until I've got a shit ton of upgrades under my belt. Fuck that.
>>720762063TROBIOOOOO
>>720765069>>720765078>using toolsbut... I want to beat the game..
>>720764985Because First Sinner isn't try to kill you, just test your mettle. So she just throws you off her crib.
I fucking love this game holy shit.
>>720765078lost sinner is the best dont-use-tools fight in the gamewouldnt expect a frognigger to understand this, of courser
>>720762063TROBBIOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
door doko
>>720765194>He had any accessories equippedYou didn't beat the game
>>720764882yeah i see some people saying seth was a good fight and i really just don't see itit's a massive dickpain if you try to fight him straight up since he spams block and teleports inside your hitbox if you dodge his attacks "wrong", but if you just spam pogo he really can't do anything and the fight becomes trivialreally feels like a shitty mod boss and i'm sorry for the kid since i definitely wouldn't want to be remembered for a lame fight like that
>>720762063>the dramatic music saying "Trooobiooo" as he rises slowly from under the stageanyone who doesn't love this dork aint right
>>720764752most people knew about act3 before it even happenedyou were supposed to play this shit blind
Seth is kino if you parry him.
Hollow Knight feels like it had a more solid foundation behind it and that's reflected in the cohesion of the world design and how its story is presented to the player.With Silksong it feels like they made a lot of cool things and then didn't know how to actually put them together quite right or what the structure of the overall story was going to be.
Fucking ant bossHOW CAN SHE BLOCK FUCK YOU
>>720765309just hit her again
>>720765148I kneel...>>720765194I caved in on the second phase, too much bullshit with all the explosions, it was kino fight nonetheless
>>720764670>>720764752Act 3 is forced kino.
>>720764752>most peopleWho? Aside from like a handful of anons here, Act III is consistently one of the most memorable and kino parts of the game for people from what I've seen.
there's nothing I love more than getting hit for two damage, and knocked into another two damage from environmental damage.
I wish there were no achievements for steel soul (100% no less) and speedrunning. I love this game and I usually like to 100% the achievements for the games I love, but that just sounds like cock and ball torture.
>>720764670Same. I thought Act 2 was good but Act 3 is just on another level
>>720764198she was very clearly supposed to go in hunters march and would drop the blue(?) tool that gives you AoE damage on your cloak when you jump since thats literally her move.>>720764618>she's in a whole section of the map that has other reasons to be thereyoure fucking retarded. shes the ant queen. she would go in the ant area
>>720765379when you get to act 3 bosses that do 1 damage contact you just laugh it's great
>>720765376What is your metric for 'people'?
>>720765302Everything feels disjointed and the extra bullshit (runbacks, arena spam, benches are locked, trapped, or hidden, etc) it feels like Team Cherry spent 7 years forgetting how to make video games and just throwing obnoxious shit in knowing shills will defend anything that kills you as if that makes it well designed. It honestly feels like a worse game than Hollowknight in every way except boss fights.
>>720765379My steel soul run almost ended in Voltnest.You can get hit for 2 masks by the beam and fall into the electric wall for another 2 masks of damage.
>>720762584Lace desparately needed more screentime in general. The Lost Lace fight wants to be A2 vs 9S so bad but that doesn't work when the 9S equivalent has barely been in the game for you to start caring about.
After 8 hours over three days I've finally decided to give up on Savage Beastfly. I'm quitting the game. This is my limit as a casual gamer. I'm going back to visual novels now.
>>720765481was there even any dialogue in the second lace fight? the second I enter the arena she starts fighting, it was just kinda an "oh.. okay" moment
>>720765302act 3 especially feels like that, there's basically no coherence to any of italso i can't help but feel like the map was redone at some point during development, it's really strange that hornet muses about how the citadel built deep docks to take advantage of the lava and metal all the way down at the bottom of the world and then underworks is a lava and metal zone located way above all those areasi feel like the map was way more horizontal at one point and deep docks and underworks were originally at the same relative altitude
Is it even worth killing groal? This boss and the gauntlet before it are so garbage
I seem to be missing one?What is it?
>>720765456What is your metric for people?
>>720765575just some after you beat her
>>720762331If you're talking about Lace 2, jump up and she won't do shit.
beast crestt would be great if it wasn't for the fucking pogo
>>720765642my interpretation is it's meant to be you soon
>>720765642>What is it?(You)
Don't suppose there are pins for masks or spools like the fleas so I can figure out where these last fucking ones I've missed are?
>>720765612mandatory for Act 3
>>720765642it's (You), he was hunting youplay the needolin
>"Groal the great? Yes, he's the best boss.">"Bilewater? My favorite area."
I really do wonder how so many people got hit by that trapped bench in Hunter's March. You can literally see the trap when you walk in and it makes the same click as all the traps do when you sit down
whew, just got done with Sister SplinterI hope there's not another boss for a while
>>720763384>>720763081>>720762389WOW ALMOST LIKE THE DEVS GAVE YOU A BASE, ALWAYS PREPARED SKILL THAT PULLS YOU TO THE ENEMY THAT HAS THE RANGE OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING ROOM????99% of issues people have with this game are caused by the fact people still play it as if the protagonist is the basic ass Knight from first game.
i went straight to the Citadel but should i have opened all those gates where you need to sing first?
>>720765302I think the structure makes a ton of sense to meThe only real weird part of the game is the thickets
>>720764725I can't believe I didn't check for this: seems like it does.
>act 16/10>act 28/10>act 3 (intro to abyss escape)9/10>act 3 after that4/10
>>720765709>>720765724>>720765756Ah that makes senseToo bad he was a pushover lol
>>720765810>WOW ALMOST LIKE THE DEVS GAVE YOU A BASE, ALWAYS PREPARED SKILL THAT PULLS YOU TO THE ENEMY THAT HAS THE RANGE OF THE ENTIRE FUCKING ROOM????The skill you unlock about 80% into act 2? That skill?
>>720762690JKsong
>>720764949>>720764937Thanks
>>720765914You could also just run to the enemy. Hornet's dash is quick and closes distance easily. You can even get the harpoon early in Act 2, you don't have to wait until the end to get it
>>720765810>pull yourself into flying enemy>immediately take contact damage on arrival
>>720764743you can do this with clawline
I'm missing one mask fragment, is there any easy way for me to figure out which one I'm missing? same for silk spools tooI want to get to 100% completion
Locking the last nail upgrade behind the fag festival minigames is literal aids in a digital format. Possibly gayer.
>>720766046it gives brief i-frames
>>720765810>99% of issues people have with this game are caused by the fact people still play it as if the protagonist is the basic ass Knight from first game.Pretty much. People try and facetank shit like the Knight when the devs purposefully discourage that kind of playstyle. Doesn't help that people refuse to use the tools unique to hornet and then proceed to complain that the game is too hard
>>720766059for some reason the game lets you pay rosaries for flea wiki info but not masks or spools
>>720763081>>720762389The enemies retreat from you because you're incredibly super fast. Sprint. I hope you're using the sprint function constantly, in and out of combat. And if you combine it with air dashes you'll be even faster. And you can combine the options to be even faster. And later when you get the double jump you can chase for even longer for even faster. And when likewise with the clawline, which is the perfect tool to close the gap if your regular chase did not cut it close enough for some reason. And while not necessary, the silkspeed charm will make you a real, genuine speed demon in the game.
>>720766046>Hasn't actually used the abilityWhy do you guys expose yourself like this?
>>720766116>Doesn't help that people refuse to use the tools unique to hornet and then proceed to complain that the game is too hardUsing the tools in the way people keep recommending would force the average Silksong player to farm 2500+ rosaries per playthrough just to supply the shards.
>>720765043>she's still fun as hell
>>720766116Since you're so good you don''t need to farm them, would you lose from tools not costing shards?
>>720764882Seth was designed by a dying guy like 5 years ago
Jesus, I wonder what you guys will do when you reach dashmaster if you can't be asked to use basic tools the game gives you
>>720763587>>720763420this, am used to harder stuff, but silksong still had some challenging sections, platforming was fun overall while in aeterna sometimes it felt like CBT
>>720759805Yes. There's also a tendency to either not use tools at all like a stubborn fuck, or to completely spam the fuck out of them and complain about no shards ever.Instead of just using them as intended, a tool to use in X situation. This is why boomerang/sting shard for fliers is king for hitting aerials without being cheesy shit.>>720761970You can heal against NKG every time he shoots the bats by just jumping over the first one and starting the heal immediately, the second passes over your head and Grimm won't start a second attack until you're done healing. Makes the fight much less unforgiving if you're only giving up a single hit chance on that instead of the hammering you can do during the flame pillars.
>>720763907kek
>>720766256>>720765043>lost lacethe developer played super smash brothers and thought "YEAH i want that stage for my boss fight :)"
>>720762690It would be a lot of effort. But if someone was to genuinely edit the full spritesheets of Hornet and made it a mod. I might use it for a playthrough. That looks pretty cute.
Finally finished. Still at 93% but it was ultra kino Act 2 onwards.9.5/10 could possibly reach 10 depending on DLC.But all in all my GOTY. Those aussies still got it.
>>720761505she has nowhere near the consistency of nkg. her jump attack especially seems to gain as much distance as she feels like
>>720766046It doesn't. even if you pull yourself into spikes you auto-pogo them
Ok so I got all 3 hearts ready, did all board quests. Is this it? Should I end it?
>>720763818>Face Seth>He loses the fight
jesus christ how many people will stop at act 2 and not realize how much is missing
>have to literally pay for everything in this game>p-pls donate to us good saar!!HAHAHAHHAAHyou're not getting shit faggots
>>720766245Using the tools on every enemy instead of when the situation calls for it is why you guys never have shards. You only buy shards when you have nothing else to spend rosaries on.>>720766257I wouldn't, but shards need to exist because tools are so broken. You can kill bosses with just tools alone, they need to have some sort of downside even if it's not a big one
>>720765832Pretty spot on
Team cherry should just not listen to shitters, no matter how much the game's rating suffers for it, I haven't found a single thing I felt was unfair, and I can only see the game becoming worse with nerfs.
>can only equip 2 blues>don't wanna get rid of fractured mask and warding bellBut I want the poison polip thing :(
>>720765575She fights you the moment you reach her, though honestly that's pretty fucking kino in itself
>>720764882I don't agree with most of what you say but I think tc HEAVILY overdid the "boss has an unexpected HARDCORE phase when they go all out and become super fast" gimmick a bit too much. It's cool when it's only done sometimes but like 3 out of 4 bosses in SS have this.
>>720766446A lot and it won't be their fault.Most people will assume that's it since the credits roll
>>720766496It's not unfair, but it is boring and dull at long stretches
>>720766520Use Memory Lockets and unlock the Vesticrest from Eva
>>720766482>Using the tools on every enemy instead of when the situation calls for it is why you guys never have shardsI don't do that. I use tools primarily on bosses. If a boss is kicking my ass then I just keep repeating it and losing shards again and again.
>>720766537I think its also an issue you dont see completion % until you get farsight
>>720766116the problem with tools is that they're balanced around being resource-limited. they have to feel strong because you're spending a resource to use them, but then because they're strong they feel very cheap to use since they don't really augment your moveset, they just replace it and allow you to skip bosses.if tools were just nerfed across the board and then made free to recraft at benches, the game would be significantly more fun.
that wasn't too bad
>>720765087reminder that a cogfly could be behind any post
>>720766496High Halls gauntlet without side content preparations gets close to unfair. It was one of my main concerns for steel soul runs.
Will whispering thicket be closed off in act 3? I just want to move the story forward
>>720766496Sweaty try hard RetardThere is 0 reason for the bilewater to be so long and fucking annoying for example.There is 0 reason for you to have to redo all 3 gauntlets waves in the coral towerEtc. Etc.All these things dont make the game harder, it just makes the game fucking annoying
7/10 fight if im being generous
>>720766446Most people aren't doing the wishes or finding fleas. Mostly see people complaining that they're too tedious
>>720761812
>>720763420I am glad that they reduced environmental damage on most things to 1HP because although i have little issues with it, i think tricky platforming in itself is challenging enough and doesn't need to punish you so harshly for fucking up
>>7207634205h in and not having any trouble yet, I believe the diagonal pogo of hunter is a genuine IQ filter for normalfags. This shit is not in any way more difficult than HK after an hour of playing with the new moveset, feels very smooth. Hunter's Marsh was fun so far, took a break for today after reaching Greymoor.I like it more than HK for now.
>>720766716Steel Soul feels more like a test of how much of the game you can skip or make easier until you can finish it.
>>720766446>>720766765This is the same for HK.Tons of people stopped at Hollow Knight and called it a day.
>>720765757I hope they don't nerf it because shared suffering strengthens bonds and makes stories
>>720765914NTA but man I really do need to use the graple more. I've got too much muscle memory from HK. >>720765757 would have been way easier if I used it against him after he does his big suck.
>>720766858I cant remember, whats the achievement % for killing radiance?
how does healing work with witch crest? and how can I make it better? the moveset feels good but the healing thing is filtering me
you think hornet at the end of the game can beat the knight at the end of HIS game?
>>720766601And you keep losing shards because you don't actually know what the boss is doing and are just throwing tools at it in the hope that you win. As broken as tools are, they aren't a free win against every boss. You need to be able to fight the boss with just your nail and then add tools into the mix
>First Sinner80% of the damage I take is running into him accidentally.
>>720766970So I should spend 50 retries learning the boss patterns before starting to use my tools? But then I already know how to beat the boss, so what good are the tools?
>>720766940lol, no.even the weaver queen ending, the void is a direct counter to gods and pale beings.
>>720766940>Knight tries to approach Hornet>Dies to poisoned tacks>"Nothing personnel Ghost"
Wow its been this long at its still this low
>>720766917You have to hit them with the tentacle nova, and the pins that alter your heal alter the nova.
>>720766940No but her tentacle rape baby in the cursed ending can
>>720767017Many such cases.Half of the damage I take from bosses is contact damage.Fucking sucks because it feels like bs. Some bosses move really fast so you try to dash in to deal some damage only to move in a bit too much and you take damageVery annoying
>>720763753Dream battle, so grab fragile health/strength without worryingAdd Nailmaster badge for fast charging nailarts, you will never get more than 2 hits in (if you're very good) unless it's the flame pillar attack, just charge and unleash those nail arts with extra range, makes the positioning easier.Jump above the first bat and immediately land and you can heal once even without a quick heal charm.
>>720766765Finding fleas is mostly fun, and I did every wish the second I could because I like helping out. Vog definitely should have been on the shore of the Pale Lake or something more obvious than her actual location, that way people who haven't been scrounging for secrets could still brute force their way through finding the fleas.
>>720766591>unlock the Vesticrest from EvaI haveIt gave me a yellow slot
>>720766917dark mirrors, multi-binder, and warding bell are basically mandatory
>>720766760Bilewater is a test of skill.You only have to redo the tower gauntlets if you don't get the shortcut at the end. I did the entire tower in one go on steel soul btw. Git gud maybe?
>>720767058I wonder of Sister of the Void will ever even get over 10%. It's only moved by like 0.2% today and will probably slow down.
>>720761505>figure out how to attack her during her attacksOnly after wasting several minutes on a gauntlet. Fun!
>>720767058Look at any game's completion % and your third eye will open, it's grim
>>720766792lol
holy shit I fucking hate sinner's road so muchis this place mandatory or can I skip it until I'm less of a weak shit
>>72076691518.2absrad is 4.8
I'm playing HK1, so about path of pain, is that a joke or whatlike, how do I do this
>>720765182good job anon, I got that achievement just now too
>>720764669the deer is basically a Hollow Knight Dreamer boss
If I killed first sinner in act 2 with the wanderer crest in 2 tries am I cool? Is that impressive?
Just finished, still have a few of the optional bosses unkilled but 35 hours so Im pretty burned out.Didnt really care much for Hollow Knight so shocked I enjoyed it this much.See you all in 7 years for Laces game
>>720766858my friend, who is one of the people whos spent the past 7 years jerking this game off to an insane degree and making the wait for silksong his whole personality, only ever got the first ending
>>720767251You learn how to dash, float and pogo.
>>720767251you can pogo off the spikes and sawblades, have fun
>>720766446Same thing happened with the OG game
>>720767251you laugh and say Good one, Cherry!
>>720764882But Silksong is easier than all of those fights because you're so, so much faster than in Hollow Knight and you can successfully heal so much easier and more effectively. They unironically didn't tune up the bosses enough. You can fight First Sinner as early as Act 2 and it's kind of the ceiling of Silksong's difficulty. The Elegy fights. Lost Lace. Everything after First Sinner is around First Sinner tier. The difficulty progression plateaus here. The fights are still really cool. Really engaging. Fun in their own ways. But they stop becoming more difficult. And it's not as if First Sinner is -that- challenging of a boss.
>>720767218damn, 90% of people did not do the best and easiest campaign of shovel knight
This boss makes me want to noose myself. The worst part is having to repeatedly watch the cutscenes of myself waking up, then going back to sleep, then soaring upwards 2x.
>>720767251There's a charm combination that makes you essentially immortal by automatically filling your soul so you can keep healing, forget what it was tho
>>720767315Wanderer crest is the best nail combat oriented crest in the game so not really.
>>720767136>test of skillThis is the retards take on skill.Skill isnt forcing you to do the entire fucking level in one go, thats not forcing you to have skill. You wanna know howni know this? When you finally beat grom and finish bilewater i bet you if you were to redo it again immediately after you would probably die this time. This means it wasnt skill, it was luck and repetition until you got a good result.
>>720765914>The skill you unlock about 80% into act 2No, the one you get like 20-30% into Act 2You can't access the other melodies without it
>>720765078>shitter crutches not restoredbasedget a real charm and stop using tools you fuck
>>72076715212% of players haven gotten to act 3, I think they're still just getting through it. It would be weird to get that far but then give up at the end
>>720764882I don't mind their crazy agressive attacks at all, but i despise how dodgy they are and how half of them have a block move. I'd rather have them facetank stuff and have twice the health so that i can actually use spells instead of having to cling onto my silk for heals
is there any way to get here? its underneath the elevator
>>720767024To make it easier? You don't just magically become a god and never get hit because you know the bosses moveset. Just throwing tools in the hopes of a win is the dumbest thing you can do in this game because the majority of bosses have the damage output to kill you before your tools kill them. All that leads to is you running out of shards and then you only have your nail for the boss
>>720767373Anon he's one of the easiest bosses in the game.
I'm in the endgame now and I got the completion tracker, but please tell me there is some way I can tell what memory locks I've picked up and what ones I am missing outside of just remembering the ones I've found? I need my last witch crest node I think before Eva's last upgrade happens and I'm trying to not scrape the entire map using a guide.
>>720767397>Using charmsYou didn't beat the game
so what the fuck even happened with this game? did the dev regret not making dark souls, or did he play a hard game and miss the point of difficult games? I am so baffled with the differences between SS and hollow knight. The first game was so casual, why is the second one LE EPIC DIFFICULT SOULSLIKE???
>>720767412Yes
>>720766760>There is 0 reason for the bilewater to be so long and fucking annoying for example.It's meant to feel like you're trudging through enemy territory in the Vietnam jungle. It wouldn't feel right for you to feel comfortable when the region is clearly designed to put you always on edge.>There is 0 reason for you to have to redo all 3 gauntlets waves in the coral towerIt's meant to make you feel like you're mowing through a warlord's entire army, and the only other way to get that feeling is by having him summon soldiers during his fight. I much preferred the tower to just having him summon goons, and you even get a shortcut after you kill all his soldiers.Neither of these were a problem, and I had fun beating them.
>>720767412Yes. You don't need to leave the White Ward.
>>720767370Dude you're insane. First Sinner is really easy.Fun but extremely easy.
>>720765821Noice.
>>720767373have you tried unequipping the badge that kills you and see if you stop dying?
>>720767373i genuinely do not understand how anyone can struggle with this guyto get to him you have to be competent enough to make it through the coral tower giga gauntlet and he's an order of magnitude easier than that
>>720767393Acquire the habit of exploring.
>>720767316Why Lace is so sexy and not real?
>>720761812>looking for stuff i missed>either an obvious breakable wall i walked past>or some fucked up specific silk ascend spot that doesn't have any indication of its existence
>>720767383The honey one
>>720766459
>>720767370HKs bosses are mostly a joke.The main reason people didnt melty over runbacks despite them being worse there is you have to be real shit to get hit by the slow ass telegraphed bosses
>>720767439Because they had a small team of playtesters that never changed once during the game's development so the initial difficulty was fine to them
>>720767453for me he's hard and extremely unfun
>>720766116You could also use Wanderer and use crits to help even out the pace changed caused by hits no longer being tankable due to 2-mask damage, to play more like The Knight.
>>720764882Wait, Seth as in the guardian of the plant boss? Wtf, I killed him first tryLiterally just wait for him to attack and pogoThe fucking plant boss on the other hand, what an absolute shitshow
>Steel Assassin DLC>Godhome/Bossrusb DLC>First Sinner, Widow, Last Judge, Phantom, Grandmother Silk, etc. Super Boss DLC>Memories of Hallownest - Knight Super Boss DLCWhat else are we hoping for brehs?
>>720764084>be fencer>start spamming magic when you're losingbratty brat needs bratrection
>>>/vg/
How fucking long is act 3? This is longer than act 2 almost what the fuck
>>720762690This game does have some similarities with kill la kill if you consider the whole plot about using fabric to control people.
>>720767393>Skill isnt forcing you to do the entire fucking level in one go90% of complaints would disappear if people actually explored
Question: act 3 what the fuck do you in Nameless Town? I have spent 30 minutes climbing and there is nothing there? The fuck?
>>720767556I was the complete opposite. Seth I died several times and eventually said 'fuck it' and used poison thumbtacks, but the plant died first try despite me playing like shit and falling into the hazards repeatedly
Huh they really wanted me to think this Nyleth boss thing and the fight is something profound and dramatic? So much fanfare and zanzibartian music. Shame I don't give a shit, the stuff with Garmond in the end is 5x more emotional.
>>720767373anon, he doesn't do anything
>>720767587tell me you hate ufo 50, blue prince, and void stranger too
>>720767598not so much exploring but quite a bit more bosses
Where do I get the last oil for my sword? (Act 3)
THANK YOU TEAM CHERRY FOR THIS EXTRA BIT OF FUN IN THE B*LEWATER LEVEL IT'S NOT LIKE I WANT TO MOVE ON OR ANYTHING
>>720767315Yeah that's cool, but I'm cooler since I killed her first try with hunter crest + no upgrades since I'm a retard that didn't noticed pinmaster was a character until act 3I'm kidding, good job anon
>>720767616You can hit the corpse in the hut for an item you display in your house, and you also need to get up there for the mushroom quest. It's mostly just lore and pokedex entries.
>>720767616Needolin for a memento. Mushroom wish ends near the top of that platforming section btw.
>>720767373>double damage>literally the worst silk art equippedlol
>>720767556yeah the difference between "i didn't like seth because he's hard" and "i didn't like seth because he's easy and boring" is whether or not you realized he can't do anything if you just pogo him
>>720767573Hornet and Lace sex DLC
>>720767573Hornet sex dlc
>>720767659Find every flea, then complete the flea minigames.
>>720767394>You can't access the other melodies without itYes you can?
>>720767616Lore. Journal entries. The final Mr Mushroom location. Hope you opened the shortcut.
>>720767528i don't buy that, it is fundamentally different
>>720767573Playable Lace
>>720767372picrel is for ori which is like 9 hoursportal has 52% which surprised me, but still, despite being like 3 hours, 48% of people didnt finish it and it's a cultural phenomenon
>>720767659You're either missing the one from the fleas or the one you randomly find hidden in Choral Chambers.
murder whoever decided 90% of enemies had to be flying cunts
>>720765821>Trobbio's ass feather
>>720767373>I'm going to take 2x damage for a measly 1.2x damage increasefucking tryhard
>>720767251>>720767383It's just hiveblood. It makes you immortal in platforming sections since you just wait a few seconds each time you fuck up
>>720767663>reaperwhat no skill does to a mf
So what is the prerequisite on why some bugs get haunted and get voided? Whats stopping some random bug in bone bottom or bellhart from getting haunted? I get the feeling that being voided is somewhat tied to losing hope and/or your purpose, like garmond right?
tell you this, got hk1 when it came out, played it til I beat like false knight, thought it was a good game but I ended up dropping itnow that silksong is out and there's so much hype about it, I'm giving hk1 another chance and I just don't want to play silksong, I just want to play as the knight, he's so cool
>>720767701>>720767698BAAAAAAASED
Wanderer chuds, here is your daily reminderYou didn’t beat the game last
>>720767573Petting the fleas DLC.That and city of steel void fuckery shit except not locked behind steelsoul. I'll gladly die a thousand times to beat a fight, I'll never do a permadeath mode.
>>720767663>yaketi sax in the background
>>720767373CRUST king ??
>>720767750It's not random, it's a pin shop with signs outside and everything.
>>720767482She's her mother's daughter after all
>>720763061>I used nothing but Hunter for the entire game and did not had any troubleEvery encounter was designed with Hunter in mind. Stepping outside of that is where the interesting play patterns emerge.
>>720763420I don't know if it's the controller, something mechanically with wall jumps or something else, but I have this terrible ability to double jump off of walls, which has fucked me over so many times (raged bad at second lava escape). As someone who hasn't bothered with path of pain, I'd consider at least 90% of the platforming in silksong perfectly doable by most people. The main troubles I had were with timed platforms like in karak and verdaina, as well as the cradle ascent to mister mushroom (it just kept going, and going, and going...). There was also a couple of pretty tight spike sections that required rather specific positioning and use of floating, but that's easy to figure out, just need to get consistent.
>>720767760hitting a squit into the water makes it invincible, thats pre patch
>>720767692Wrong.
>>720767453>Dude you're insane. First Sinner is really easy.I already said First Sinner is not on the same difficulty as what you'd expect from an end game fight. And yet the difficulty plateaus there. That was my point. I kind of face smashed by way through First Sinner. I stumbled my way through most fights in the game. In Silksong you can do that. In Hollow Knight you're much more likely to get eviscerated if you don't actually learn the fights.
>>720767845>pre patchLiterally happened just now, I think I have the latest version
I kept hearing all this hype for this game then it turns out is just a shitty 2d platformer? LMAO
>>720767480>there are some people out there who can't make the jump to avoid the bilewater so they go left at the bench and go the long way instead
>>720767373>dodge his slow telegraphed attack>pogo on spikesits that easy, he's the biggest pushover out of all the heart bosses, including the prince
how do i get to the heart boss here?the map marker disappeared, because i got the homosexual's heart first i think
>Literally no reward for beating plasmified Zango
>>720767775I really enjoyed HK and still didn't bother following Silksong's development at all because I didn't and still don't really care about Hornet
>>720767914wtf did you expect?
>>720767873>In Hollow Knight you're much more likely to get eviscerated if you don't actually learn the fights.False.Outside of like a handful of DLC bosses.Quickslash+Facetank lets you completely meme on everything in HK.Even god damn base game Radiance.
>>720767954you're in the right spot, go left
>>720767954Go slightly up then left.
>>720767954go up the shaft, there's a fake wall on the left side
>>720767873>I kind of face smashed by way through First Sinner. I stumbled my way through most fights in the game. In Silksong you can do that. In Hollow Knight you're much more likely to get eviscerated if you don't actually learn the fights.Hollow Knight is so much easier lol I don't think you people remember that game at all. The bosses are like slow motion in Hollow Knight compared to Silksong. They rarely have parries or blocks or "AAAHHH I'M SUPER FAST SUPER STRONG NOW" 2nd/3rd phases. I literally finished P5 a week before Silksong and it's only the last few bosses that are something of a challenge, the rest are piss easy. Lace 1 is harder than 80% of Hollow Knight bosses.
>>720762319It barely brings it to a close. If anything I feel it left more questions
>>720767765It's if they have silk in them. Pretty much all life in pharloom is imbued with that silk, but people like hornet and pilgrims from elsewhere are still normal. Many pilgrims as a result get experimented on by the whiteward to imbue them with silk
>>720764496I consider the entire first phase of Widow to be part of the runback, it's not a good fight.
Does anyone else have trouble with remembering to use the harpoon for traversel? If I don't see a ring I basically entirely forget it exists.
>>720768043>Lace 1 is harder than 80% of Hollow Knight bosses.This. She's at HK difficulty wise.
>>720767914yeah dude LOL sorry it's not fortnite xDkill yourself
>>720767954Breakable wall along the long drop you came from
>>720768108I always forget to use it in combat
>>720763575I'm looking at this and reaching the sad realization that I disliked most of these bosses. The best one is likely Phantom, and I also like GMS and the Cogwork Dancers just for the cool presentation. Rest feel like you're fighting an obnoxious bag of gimmicks.
>>720767914wow it's only the 90298th time I see this bait
>>720767918I can't make the jump so I just said fuck it and tried to build up enough silk on the run up pogoing off the flies to get rid of it before I got to the boss. The attempt where I actually beat Graol I went into the fight worm'd and with 2 masks lmao. Thankfully the actual enemies are easy as shit and you can just pogo off all of them without taking any damage so I could easily heal back to full before the boss even started.
Is it normal for Seth to just fucking disappear mid-battle and never come back?He's gone
>>720764198Probably more of>HOLLOW KNIGHT HAD 3 DREAMERS>LETS HAVE 3 DREAMERS TOO
>>720767954Left wall of the elevator shaft.
>>720767480Not him, but don't act like the game wasn't actively trying to hide that bench by putting the breakable wall where you'd end up maggoting yourself if you were Wolfensteining things. You condescending prick.
>>720768108The pace at which new abilities are introduced in this game is weird. I got harpoon near the end of act 2 and you get super jump in act 3. Imagine if you played Hollow Knight and unlocked monarch wings at 80% and unlocked Crystal Dash at 110% completion.
>>720768209I remember when I have to fight flying ranged enemies
>>720768108it's literally the best movement ability in game and even automatically lets you bounce off spikesthen again for most traversal dashing is faster
>>720768280Anon there's a gap in the wall and you can avoid the maggots with a clawline.
>>720768108No way. It's the most important skill in the game. Also maybe you're still in act 1 but act 2 and 3 have tons of platforming that require you do to all sorts of harpoon tricks.My favorite was Cradle's peak, where right at the end of the game they remembered "hey you can do harpoon then jump to change directions mid air"
WHy am i sitting there playing lost lace for 5 hours trying to do her hitless what the fuck is wrong with mewhy is this fight so good
hey youyea youhookshot
>>720768264I exited the room and came back and he was there again. Back to phase 1 hahaha7 fucking years in development, btw
>>720768264might wanna check in with your gf anon
>>720764660the quill is purple just like round 2 trobbio
Getting real tired of the last judge runback.
>>720767742What surprises me is how Monster Hunter World has a roughly 50% completion rate. Sure, the game is one of the easier monster hunter games, but considering how monster hunter is still pretty tough as a newcomer and no short game and considering how the hype surrounding the game pulled in a lot of newbies and mainstream gamers 50% is actually a LOT
I'm at 99%, which is surprising because I'm missing a bunch of stuff. 2 lockets, I have the last psalm cylinder but haven't turned it in, I miss half the mementos, journal isn't complete...So what counts? Only the lockets?
>>720764882None of the bosses in silksong felt as difficult as the hollow knight pale court mod gauntlet
>>720768450next time just don't die
>One of the easiest bosses in the game>Filters retards apparently to the point where she got nerfedLegit wild, are people just not pressing any buttons other than attack?
>>720768108I always remember it, but sometimes I get in the mentality of "uh but it uses silk", but will always use it on its own or combined with dash if I know I want to cover extra long distances or have a wall I want to stick to.
>>720768443no wayTECHNOLOGY
>>720768527AFAIK its just upgrades.Mementos and bosses dont matter.
jesus fuck what is with the input eating in this game
>>720768543>are people just not pressing any buttons other than attack?From Software brainrot makes people not understand mechanics besides damage, hp, and i-frames. These fuckers are not aware that you can break the branches.
>>720768367damn, you're either a masochist or you're getting some godhome training the old fashioned way. It's a really fun final boss though, I'll give you that
>>720765302To this day I still wonder why Karmelita's boss fight and area have to be accessed through the boring far fields zone instead of through Hunter's march. The far fields area is probably the worst in the game in terms of atmosphere. Fucking boring
>>720768543>got surprised once by the adds and died since lol5hp>next attempt just oneshot them with thread storm and nohit the boss since she has 1 movei don't get it either
>>720768478Defender gear gives you the base game completion for absolutely no effort and in Iceborne you can lean on multiplayer to obviate the hunts
>>720768359Doesn't change what I said. Go be like a frog and kermit suicide.
>>720767480There's a difference between metroidvania exploration and "if you want to reach one of the most basic pillars of this game's gameplay loop (bench), you need to whack every wall you can see and every wall you can't see as well in a 15 minute radius, despite the game clearly communicating to you through the respawning enemies and the heavy bile debuff that you should just move forward without wasting time"Silksong just does the latter bit way too often, and sometimes spices it up with hiding a secret behind a secret behind a secret. Sure, exploring and finding hidden stuff is cool, but moderation is key. The original Hollow Knight knew how to really hide some stuff but it had a lot more restraint and knew how to guide the player towards the secrets a bit better.
>>720768527>So what counts?lockets don't count at all, neither do journal, cylinders, artifacts or mementosif you're at 99% and didn't complete the second to last quest, that's your remaining 1%
>>720767775>>720767975I really like Hornet. She's written so well and never falls into the girlboss trappings.
>>720768714I died once to not realizing I should be hitting the vines, thought they would disappear on their own.So got to P2 with the entire arena covered.Won next attempt.
any tips for beating GMS cursed?
>>720768478impressive, that's gotta be up there in terms of %
Is it possible to get up to 9 masks before act 3? I need ONE more shard, I'm so close...
>>720768885yes
>>720768885yessource: i did it
Flavors of Pharloom is the best quest in the game.I'm not joking.
>>720768543Yeah I have my complaints about bosses and I struggled a lot with some, but this is one of the most obviously telegraphed simple bosses in the game. If there are people who got heavily filtered by THAT, imagine how those people would fare with Lace 2.
>>720768825just play better
>>720768735>"if you want to reach one of the most basic pillars of this game's gameplay loop (bench), you need to whack every wall you can see and every wall you can't see as well in a 15 minute radiusThere are clear visual indication for every breakable wall, you don't need to hit random walls.There are clues (not as clear) to hidden passages as well.
>>720768825Don't get hit.
>>720768720even then, it takes a decent time committment and the average mainstream gamer would find a way to fuck up even with defenders
>>720768937Damn. Wonder which one it is then?
>>720768825Be patient and use the clawline for some quick hits if you dont see any needles being moved. Its easy to avoid her attacks.
>>720768735This, the way secrets are done in silksong feels like the kind of bullshit metroidvania design that people moved away from over a decade ago.
Finally, I have them all.
>>720768043>Hollow Knight is so much easier lol I don't think you people remember that game at all.I replayed the game during the two weeks between Silksong's release date announcement and the actual release date. I still get fucking skill filtered at 110%. And yet I was able to just stumble my way through all of Silksong to 100% without even learning most of the bosses. Dream Soul Master or Lost Kin or whatever are easily more difficult than any Silksong bosses. And that is not even touching the Grimm or Godhome fights. Even something like the Collosseum of Fools forces you to redo the entire gauntlet if you die to the God Tamer, but the Coral Tower in Silksong gives you a checkpoint before the Crust King. And once again, the Crust King is pathetically easy and simple even compared to the God Tamer. You are so, so much faster in Silksong. And your ability to just escape to safety to heal without being hit, all but regardless of where in the pattern the enemies in question are. Makes mistakes way, way more forgiving in Silksong than in Hollow Knight. In Hollow Knight you really need to identify very specific holes in the enemy pattern to have time to heal at all, even with the charm that boosts the speed of your healing. Which is why you actually need to learn the bosses to be able to heal at all. But in Silksong you can just flee and you're very likely to succeed because you're super fucking fast and can even heal in the air. Lace 1 is insanely fucking pathetically simple. Lace 1 is like Broken Vessel tier or something. If not more straight forward because you can just heal whenever the fuck you want.
>>720768527You're either missing eva's questline (you need the lockets for this one) or the final item you get near the end of act 3
>>720768971I don't think those people are getting past judge
>>720768825Don't get hit. That's it. Focus on dodging the needles and only attacking when it's safe. Learn to love the hookshot - it moves you closer, deals damage, and keeps you horizontal.
I like this image, but I think Bilewater would have made more sense
>>720768443Great, that means my next run will have to be done with crippled mapping until act 3.
>>720768989Mostly agree except ceilings.Most of the breakable ceilings are covered in grass and are complete bullshit I found purely via spam
Am I reading too much into it. Or was the Green Prince and his twin, siamese / conjoined twins initially? Or were they just regular twins?
>>720769095This was 100% made early on before they even knew Bilewater existed.
>>720768735>despite the game clearly communicating to you through the respawning enemies and the heavy bile debuff that you should just move forward without wasting time"I think this is what the people defending the bilewater bench are missing. Another part of this is the fact that the Wreath of Purity doesn't actually protect you against bile, it just delays it for a second and it can break. Which also communicates to the player that even with the charm you should NOT go into the bile unless you mean to immediately hop out of it .
>>720768825I fought her using only the clawline to attack with. It took me a really long time but it felt the most consistent/safe outside of getting really screwed by RNG at points in phase 2. Make sure to whack the spike plates to send them back down.
>>720769035>Dream Soul Master or Lost Kin or whatever are easily more difficult than any Silksong bosses.What the FUCK? lol
>>720769095Same artist.
>>720769203...except to fight the boss their, where camping in the maggot water is by far the safest way to kill the boss
>>720763071I will post her again just for you
A talking player character was a mistake
this game isn't hard at all, it's just fucking stupidsome areas are way too under polished and it shows also damage on contact WHEN THEY'RE KNOCKED DOWN is so fucking stupid that I don't even know where to start, why the fuck is a knocked down enemy still giving me damage? hello? then why the fuck knock him out to begin withvery fucking stupid
>>720769035>Dream Soul Master or Lost Kin or whatever are easily more difficult than any Silksong bossesI wanna say let me have what you're smoking but I worry it will make me retarded
>>720769234>Make sure to whack the spike plates to send them back downdidn't even know that was possible, thanks.
>>720769278finally an artist who actually plays through the game but it's all PTSD
>>720768885i just entered act 3 and I'm still at only 5 masks, what the fuck... where are you niggers even finding them
Trobbio 1 was fun, Trobbio 2 is not fun. I just want the upgraded mirror for my meme Witch healbomb build.
>>720769035the problem in HK was to find a window to healthe problem in SS is to get enough hits off to heal at all
>>720769035>Dream Soul Master or Lost Kin or whatever are easily more difficult than any Silksong bosses
https://streamable.com/t6tb3jWhat the fuck I can enter the void for real
>he didnt mod the game to be cursed from the start on steel soul without save n quitsweetie..
>>720769234>Make sure to whack the spike plates to send them back downHow the fuck did I not find this out while I already did that ending?!
Do I need to release the jailed green bug in Sinner's Road to finish act 3? He said I should leave him there so I did.
>>720769000Well I can't know buddy, did you get the one in Sand of Karak? Did you go back to Far Fields after getting the hookshot and did the challenge there? There's probably one in Bilewater as well. They're hidden all over.
I'm genuinely crashing out at the fucking ant queen boss fight.What a shit fight.
>>720769562>He said I should leave him there so I didSOVL
i did itthat was fun_
>>720769562give me a hundred dollars
>>720769348>also damage on contact WHEN THEY'RE KNOCKED DOWN is so fucking stupidI've yet to see anyone defend that with an argument other than lmao get good xddd just dont touch the boss kek
why does everything respawn in purified ducts?...
>>720769029>dragonfruit>grapes>raw liver>balls>????
having to go through 2 (TWO) fast travel points for the last hub is so ass....
>>720769624Healing is safe if you do it at the middle of the ceiling.
>>720769674Good job. NKG is the hardest boss in the game.
>>720769685Well I never played these kinds of games before so I thought letting the bug stay jailed would result in an alternative outcome compared to letting him go. Maybe the void would get to him and he'd rampage out of jail or something. But apparently nothing happens? And when the game told me I should let him stay inside, it was just bullshitting me because there was no alternative outcome?
>>720769537I didn't know until an anon told me that when I was crashing out trying to do it.
>>720769725because you need enemies to bounce off to>but those half life 2 ceiling motherfuckersrequired for a platforming section so they're coded to respawn too
>>720769035>Soul Master>Lost Kin>harder
How do I get here. I swear there's something obvious I missed, it's the only unexplored chunk on my map.
>>720769624Phase 1 and 2 are fine. On my second attempt I got to phase 3, got crushed, went "fuck off I'm not learning that" and just dumped all my poison saws as soon as I reached it on attempt three. Hit her like 4 or 5 times after and that was that.
will i regret it if i give up the psalm cylinder?
>>720769935just ignore that one it's cancer
>>720768543I got comboed by the minions on my first attempt. Then I just used my silk skills and the spike trap and won
>>720769035delightful bait
>>720769935Big elevator shaft.
>>720769935It's not from Blasted Steps or Shellwood.
>>720769397>an artist who actually plays through the gameHow long do you think it will take for us to get act 3 art ?
>>720769880your reasoning isn't bad or anythingI just wanted to see what happens if I open the door and I figured team cherry wouldn't make less keys than locks
>>720769802It's not the healing that's getting me. I can barely even heal anyway because I'm not getting any soul since the only way I can reliably attack her is with the clawline. Fuck the flying dipshits you have to fight before her as well.
>>720769965No. On that note, sell your collectibles.>>720769980Diagonal pogo makes her a joke.
I'm missing 3 mask shards and 2 spools and I have no idea where to even look
>>720769935Return to the grand gate and break the wall on the side within the tube
>>720769963There's a THIRD phase?Fuuuuuuck me.
>>720768543Yeah I don't understand why they patched what they did, I did splinter 2nd try and moorwing first go. I died to the fucking ant more than them. There's a lot of shit in this game where it's literally in god's hands whether you survive or not I don't know why they patched two of the fairest and most readable bosses.
>>720769698shit fucking game that not even its fans are able to defend it, not surprised daily reminder to NEVER PAY FOR INDIESLOP, this shit should fucking die
You should get the teleport song way earlier in the game, since the map is so disconnected and pretty shit desu
boy i sure do love taking 2 damage from an attack that launches me into a thorny vine that does 1 damage and respawns me right back into the path of an incoming 2 damage attack without giving me a chance to dodge. sure feels like i'm having fun
>>720770090>>720769993>>720770006Thanks
>>720770254Don't you have an anime trope game to get to? Gotta quench that loneliness amiright?
>>720770254>NEVER PAY FOR INDIESLOP>posts gachaslop pic
>>720769698Well that's because that's not really good design and I wouldn't mind damage being reduced to one or outright removed when they're stunned. I'm just kind of miffed that they decided to nerf Splinter, Moorwing, and environmental damage instead, when none of those were even a problem.
>>720768783I like her tough but fair character moments
>juggling fleasRee
Quick act 3 question: I heard you can only access verdania once, so I don't want to miss on stuff, what should I do to not miss anything? I have unlocked a shrine where I can use the needolin, and I decided not to, and went elsewhere, now I am chasing some animal, is there any missable content here?
>>720769963you robbed yourself of a great fight
>>720766537Which goddamn song has only 2 acts?
>>720770474Environmental damage absolutely is an issue. The punishment for platforming is having to redo a section. Having double damage on everything just feels unnecessarily punishing and it gets obnoxious whenever you just trip into something while backtrackingI myself don't struggle much with platforming, but it's something extremely discouraging for someone not that good in it
>>720770714>>720770714>>720770714
>>720770789Don't cross link retard
>>720770132Games too long, I was getting bored and just pushing to hit credits by that point. Didn't have another half hour of practicing in me for any boss by then.
>>720765757I have to admit it has my favorite music in the entire game.
>>720770948Mean for:>>720770662
>>720770191I died 4-5 times to Moorwing but hes a really fair boss.I just had to get the ball timings down.I feel like Im bitching about a very different game than people if Moorwing and Splinter are what people cry about
>>720762063>not playing him out on the needolin?Where's your sense of theater, anon?
>>720770474>and environmental damageNah fuck that its awful.The clockwork platforming is a goddamn nightmare at 2 damage
>>720770752>>720771085I didn't have a problem with either, and enjoyed learning proper pathing and runbacks because I enjoy platforming a lot. I will stick by the opinion that nerfing the environment was entirely unnecessary.
>>720768543threadstorm is pretty much mandatory for sister splinter.if you requipped the silk spear because "i'd rather deal direct damage than AOE" yeah no shit you're going to get fucked here.
