"just use DLSS bro" - Gearbox on Borderlands 4https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oo_cD2Qcq8k
>>720795731i had 30 fps but then i turned on the frame interpolation on my TV monitor and doubled it to 60 fps. ez
>>720795731but why does the game not look that different from 3 and 2? what is all this processing power being used for?
>>720795865devs should just add 9000 blank white frames between each game frame to boost the frame rate to 9000 frames per second
>>720796215the UE5 meme technologies lumen and likely nanite
>>720795731Advertising that your game can only meet minimum standards with DLSS is like advertising a car that can't reach the speed limit without nitrous oxide.The point of DLSS is to boost frames well above the requirements, not to MEET them.
>>720796294what about adding a fps counter in the top left that says 240 fps all the time
>>720795731hey android user
>>720796373this anon is going places
>>720795731feels good not to give a fuck about any of the new AAA games and most new games in general.As long as gaymers buy slop they will be producing it.
>>7207962153 ran really bad on hardware of the time as well, the way they are accomplishing the celshading effect is just very demanding. I remember that in BL2 even you could get a big framerate boost by editing .ini files to disable the black outlines drawn over everything.
I do not understand peoples ignorance to DLSS 4. It's really fantastic. I literally don't notice any issues with DLSS quality and 2 or 3x frame gen (4x is the only thing I feel iffy with and do not recommend).
>>720797013framegen is pretty ass if your base framerate is low, DLSS 4 looks pretty good now though
>>720797013Frame gen introduces extra latency, though at the same time the level of latency is really not that crazy compared to what was standard on IPS or VA gaming monitors ~5 years ago. It also borders on imperceptible if you are boosting an already high framerate.
>>720797073That's the thing though, with a 5080/5090 on ultra you can get a good enough base framerate to use framgen and have 100+ fps. I'm sure on a lesser card that's still a 40 or 50 series you can get quality results on medium.
>>720795731If the game was optimized, you wouldn't need dlss.
>>720795731>I have been led to believe that in a blind test thatLittle did he know that it was a literal blind test, where the users' eyes were covered up for the duration of the test.
>>720797162The extra latency is something I cannot notice at all. People keep saying it's a thing, and maybe it would be in a game like CS2 or Fortnite, but I have no noticeable latency in BL. I've also only used it with BL so I feel like it would be pretty noticeable if it was there and a problem.
>>720797186game kinda runs like ass man
>>720797259Its very obvious if you are playing on a modern TN or Fast IPS screen and the base framerate is bad.
>>720795731>don't you guys have phone?
>>720797428nope
>>720797306Weird, this is on max 1440p and a 5080.>>720797330I have a modern 57" G95NC and don't notice.
>>720796501That is an understatement.Minimum requirement swere unplayable.
>>720795731Is this the handcuffed in a toilet guy?
>>720797013The whole "DLSS increases performance" bullshit is a bald-faced lie and a scam. Frame Generation needs a lot of VRAM, at least 12 GBs to work properly. If you have some weak as shit card like a 4050 or a 5060, it will worsen performance even more if active.
>>720795731>>720796336we should meme DLSS, lumen and nanite the same way we memed "slop" so that even the redditest of normalfags uses it and laughs at themthen we can make UE5 synonymous with low quality and finally get good games
>>720796359Hell, buying xx80 or xx90 cards once meant future-proofing, as in "this shit will easily carry you through the next 10 years at max settings".Those things should never be anywhere on requirement charts since it basically tells the customer "yeah, you might wanna sit 1-2 generations out - buying those things will be a waste of money a year or so down the road" and "we can't program for shit".
>>720798021I bet if you use one of those cards and play on low/med tweaked settings for your base then use it it works perfectly fine and will give you a great playable experience.The issue is that zoomers are retarded and are like a retarded toddler with a box of markers when it comes to building, using, and understanding PCs. If the same type of people who post on /v/ were trying to be PC gamers on /v/ in like 2005 they'd be having fucking meltdowns having to buy a new gpu for their family PC. Probably would have people killing themselves over getting an AGP card when their shitty Gateway had a PCI slot.
>>720798113i think the issue is that dlss and fsr are basically virtual hardware. so you can get away with design choices that you otherwise could not. it's akin to crysis. the meme was you'd need a computer from the future to run crysis when it was released. these games will be playable properly at some point in the future. hardware is just not good enough yet.i don't actually think that's a bad thing. but games should have an "ultra plus" mode so if you come back to them later you can play with all the handicaps removed. but the basic normal game ought to be playable with normal hardware.
>>720798380yeah but crysis had actual state of the art physics in it. BL4 looks identical to BL3 and even BL2 if you squint yet it has 3x the requirements
>>720798185It still does. There's always been shitty unoptimized demanding games that even the latest and greatest struggle with. It's like retards here have only played video games for 2 years. Crysis got like 20fps with a GTX 8800 which cost the equivalent of $1000 today. You literally had to SLI 2 of them ($2000 hmm what card is in that range today?) for it as well.Now obviously borderlands is nowhere near the quality of Crysis (crysis probably looks better if I launched it today) but let's not act like this is some sort of unbelievable bullshit we're experiencing for the first time.
I notice that whenever I use DLSS in modern games I get horrific ghosting in some places. It's super bad in some games over others though.
>>720797696Are you a fish or a bird perhaps?
>>720798763>he's never experienced an UW
>>720798926I value the health om my neck desu
>>720796501All of the Borderlands games ran pretty bad if you were too close to the minimum requirements rather than the recommended.>>720797013All of Nvidia's 'features' in the past 15 years exist to market to dev studios (so they can be lazy/hire less people) and not for the benefit of the end consumer.
>>720799025You're just continuing to prove the point...also what kind of fucking broke ass neck do you have that can't turn? you don't have to turn your head you fucking retard
>>720797330>>720797259>>720797162Bro if I can hit my parries and i-frames in action games, the latency is fine. This isn't fucking counterstrike.
>>720798113>we>we>we
>>720799135I'm pretty sure this is just retards parroting shit who have never used it. That's all this board ever is nowadays. Broke ass faggots regurgitating their favorite streamer and tiktokers latest viewpoint on whatever thing.
>>720795731Borderlands 4 HAS to flop, for the good of the entire industry.
>humans could notshitty humans in focus group tests that don't play games couldn't, sure.Anyone who's played games regularly for any amount of time can IMMEDIATELY feel when only 1/4 their inputs make coherent sense compared to what's on screen, and 150ms later.niggas whine about "lag" with 20 ping, they notice.
scaling technology was genuinely a fucking mistake
>>720798926I did and switch back to 16:9 4k 32" oled meme. UW is shit.
Every AAA game is made with DLSS in mind and has been for years
>>720799238Too late>>720799252Lmao there is no 150ms lag you fucking retard>>720799289prove it
>>720797696Nigger this looks THE EXACT SAME as Borderlands 3 how the fuck do you suddenly need a 5080 to run it properly
>>720799252literally all you have to do is play any delay based fighting game for 2 fucking seconds and realize it's actually incredibly easy to feel input log. OLD FIGHTING GAMES LITERALLY HAVE OPTIONS TO INCREASE INPUT LAG SO YOU CAN PRACTICE ON IT.
>>720797696it's a stylized game, when do you need graphics cards that don't exist yet to be able to run it reliably.
>>720799368Because you do.
>>720799425You don't. People have a weird idea of "reliably" that doesn't make sense nor is realistic. I have friends literally beating the game on a 2070 with 0 issues. Faggots these days buy a 3060 and think they deserve to play every game on ultra 4k.
>>720798218>just buy a new card bro >for games that look worse than 10 years ago
>>720799526idk man this doesn't look good at all
>>720799562No one is forcing you to buy the game or the card. Stop being a retard and go enjoy something else lmfao.
blunderlands 4 can't be the worst running game on the market, right? I swear there was some other third person game which was even worse
>>720799584Idk man, not having those issues with my 5080.
>unreal engine 5 game + denuvoit was doomed from the start
>>720799604Words of wisdom.
>>720795731>Masculinity is a shader option.>Try turning it off if you’d like to tune your own performance.Cisgendered white male Notch BTFO!
>>720799368Cuz the devs suck and want to go on vacations and watch netflix and eat sushi so they chose performance targets that relied on framegen They sucked at optimizing their game. There is no other "reason" just the reality
>>720796359>The point of DLSS isthat devs can cut even more corners.
>>720797696>MFG 4Xdisclose your fake frames next time retard
there needs to be some kinda of regulation for game developers, you should not be allowed to sell games that rely on shit like dlss to run at a bare minimum, it's just false fucking advertising at this point.
>>720799783Whats with the twitter added contextthe recced specs is 3080 for 60 fps at 1440the game runs >60 fps at 1440 using 3080
>>720795731The game industry will collapse when dumbasses realise there are THOUSANDS of 2000s to 2010 games that you've probably never played and even the worst one will be more fun than the latest AAA release
>>720795731My question is, why did any of you idiots buy this slop when you knew it was gonna be bad before it even came out!You know how Gearbox is, you know how Randy is, you know how the devs are, why would you still support a game released by them after everything they have done to both the industry, and the gaming community.From plagerization to sexual harassment, you motherfuckers always bitch about AHH WE GOTTA GET THAT WOKE SHIT OUT then you go and buy it.
>>720800003>assuming everyone is the same>while calling people idiotsI didnt buy it why are you lumping me in with them?
>>720800003I bought it yesterday just to try to see how bad it really wasI refunded immediately after I saw my 5090 barely hitting 60fps with dlss quality on the beach area just after the tutorial
>>720800067Bullshit lmao. How the fuck is my 5080 outperforming you.
>>7208001159800x3d 6000cl26 manual timings + 5090 OC'dFull badass settings and dlss quality at 3440x1440No fake frames
>>720800214.....turn settings down?????
>>720799325That’s bullshit. It’s supposed to be there so I can take my 100 frames at 4k and make it 200 frames. Not so I can go from 40 to 80 with a fucking 5080. The game is just poorly optimized, end of story. How are you going to tell me that those of us with 5080s and 5090s are supposed to find it normal that this cartoon game can’t get more than 60 frames? People need to hold shitty devs to higher standards. I was at 120+ in BF6, similar in all other recent releases I’ve tried other than Wuchang, which was widely considered to be poorly optimized. People need to review bomb these faggots until they get the message that they can’t release garbage games anymore.
>>7208002149950x with 5080 oc'd 2000+mem 324+clock full badass dlss quality 5160x1440. Framegen puts me at 125-150fps.
>>720799903lol imagine trying to explain this to even the most pro-consumer regulators, they'd (rightfully) think you're a kookIt's enough of an uphill battle getting them to understand Stop Killing Games, you think they'd give a single fuck about games depending on DLSS?
>>720800326No. The game wasn't even using the 5090 to the full extent despite 96-98% utilization rate since power draw was low, like less than 350W low.
>>720800326>turn settings down when using a graphics card that costs 2 fully built computerswe've lost the plot
>>720799065>so they can be lazy/hire less peopleSo they can import infinity indians that work for rupees instead of dollars.
>>720800517yeah you get more fps doing that.
>>720797306Seems about right, I guess a bit more on average but prob marking of error >t. 5080 - 9800x,3D
>>720797306>9070 XT beating the 5080Wild.
>>720800537if your game cannot run on the most top of the line computer, then the game is not optimized at all and you deserve to be shit on for that.
>>720799783Stop reposting twitter gaywad
>>720800581youget morefpsusinglower settings
>>72079892621:9 has proper support in modern games and a century of support in movies. 32:9 is just getting ridiculous.
>>720800616actual gearbox shill
>>720799584The inconvenient truth that there's no such thing as a 4k GPU.
>>720800678eat meds
>>720800616...or you can spend your time and money playing 10000+ other games worth playing that also aren't this broken
>>720800627No it's not. I've been using it since 2012. This is my second uw, before that I had triple monitors. Never had issues except with a few games early on when it was becoming common you needed mods.
>>720799783I can't hate Randy, he's too entertaining to witness
>>720799584Given 24fps is perfectly fine and has been for 30 years this seems reasonable.
>>720800581>he doesn't know about crysis
>>720800559Ya it is a really strong card, only went for the 5080 cus of the Nvidia software and I know these retard devs won't stop pumping out slop that req upscaling and shit
>>720800784crysis didnt look like a 10 year old game though
>>72080073932:9 is just a dumbass resolution as it cuts the media support entirely. 4:3, 16:9 and 21:9 all have support outside video games.
>>720800723So do that and shut the fuck up?
>>720800774i know youre trolling me but im still mad
>>720800812If you wanted to play it it did. Or you could spend $2k on an SLI setup for 20fps.
>>720795731you know Randy is fucking based because of how cringe he is or of how much he is HIMSELF, he just doesnt give a fuck and thats based af though he is cringe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEp5voqNzT4you only need a 3080 for 60fps at 1440p so I dont get what people are upset about
>>720797306>nobody pointing out that this is on medium graphic setting
>>720800795Not like AMD doesn't offer Nvidia grade drivers (due to team green quality collapse) and tensor core powered upscaling/framegen. The fact that you need to even consider upscaling on a 1000€ GPU is unforgivable, however, and much more acceptable at the 9070 XT's pricepoint.
>>720800883You have to fuck with the settings even if you own a 5090, game is cooked atm
>>720800817Nigga you can put on videos in windowed mode just fine. I have a high quality 85" TV for actual movies. The computer is for productivity not movies you faggot.
>>720795731If you get 16 fps, just imagine it being 60 and you'll be fineIt almost sounds the same
>>720800895I agree but not like is gonna stop them from going down that route
>>720800880There's literally someone in this thread posting 1440p UW screenshots on Mac with 100+ fps and everyone is ignoring it to continue bitching.
>>720800934I want movies fullscreen.16:9 85" TV still has black bars at the top and bottom when watching movies filmed in cinematic widescreen.The computer is the everything machine.
>>720795731>Use dogshit "technology" that makes a game worse in every wayHow about fuck off
>>720800826already did thatno i will not shut up until you fix it, randy
>>720800986I too know how to enable dlss and frame gen nigger bro, that's not the point
>>720800923No you don't
>>720800326>dude buys the most expensive fucking graphics card money can buy, literally thousands of dollars in gpu power>the game runs poorly on it>"lol just turn down your graphics setting"no you fucking nigger, YOU improve the performance of your dogshit fucking game randy. fuck your pushing the problem onto the customer, YOU made a dogshit product, YOU fix it, you fucking mongoloid.
> (□) PRETEND YOU HAVE FRAMES
>>720801037see >>720800616
>>720796294someone should make a joke game with this idea, but make it 9001 fps
>>720801037Just upgrade bro.
>>720801062see >>720800723broken games should be refunded, simple as
>>720801037Just use framegen and dlss quality and you'll literally have 200fpsFucking retards here
>>720801062>doubling down on itas i said - fuck off randy, you subhuman scum, fix your fucking attitude
Can the RTX 7090 run this game at 120 fps average on 4k native
>>720801089>>720801094you're literally crying about something you can accomplish with a click of a button without any extra effort or money spent
Guys, just close your eyes and imagine its running well. There is no difference there.
>>720800326kys randy
>>720801135Borderlands 4 looks about the same if not worse than older games.It should, therefore, run better.I am not giving you money, to give me a product, that runs worse./thread
>>720801091>just make the game look considerably worse because your literal 5k pc cannot run iti will not smear vaseline on my game thank you
>>720801175see >>720800616
>>720801135noone is crying but youi already moved onto other games anon>>720801198see >>720801089
>>720801186It doesn't look worse though, just look at >>720797696 and >>720799464
>>720801105It can do 60 fps while running at 800W. $2500 MSRP just don't be poor.
>>720801198See >>720801175
>>720801249>trying to convince me frame gen doesn't look fucking dogshit with a still imageyeah ok i've played enough monster hunter wilds to know your lies.
>>720801135let me explain it to you with an example, since you don't seem to understand>buy an expensive car>want to drive from point A to point B>the road directly between these points is very low quality>me: "well this road is extremely low quality">you: "well just use this other road that's out of your way and is longer"now i know you're gonna argue against it with some dumb arguments, and that's because you're a subhuman. you're literally brown. you can't grasp the concept of people complaining about low quality because you have no idea what high quality means, you live in mental squalor. you're below everyone in this thread.
>got scammed into buying a 5080>got scammed by 32:9>got scammed again by randy pitchfordsome people never learn
>>720801301you get more fps using lower settingsthats the entire argumentand you not getting is makes you mentally ill
Linux and AMD.
>>720795731>and, I have been led to believeSo his own dev team have told him>i-it just works, randy-sama, we promise!to save their own asses.
>>720801331What's up with zoomers not understanding the word scam and it's definition?
>>720800774>Given 24fps is perfectly fine and has been for 30 years this seems reasonable.
>>720801341>just drive slower bro>just drive around it bro>just take it and put a cushion on your seat to not feel the bumps broyou are brownpost hands
>>720801380good goy
>>720801284I'd record video but I literally can't because I tried gamebar, steam, and obs and they are all dogshit at capturing it. Not sure if it's from how BL4 runs or what but gamebar compresses the fuck out of it, steam was minimizing it to a small window, and obs says the resolution is too high.
>>720801341You not getting that the game does not look anywhere near good enough for "lower your settings" to be a satisfying anwser is your mental illness.
>>720801482>le scammed!
>>720796373NINTENDO HIRE THIS MAN
>>720795731The push to normalize fake frames has been going very strong.There's no turning back from this shit.
RDR2 has a 1500x and a 1060 as its RECOMMENDED settings, why am I supposed to accept worse-looking, less detailed games needing several times more computing power to be playable at all just because they are newer?
>>720801585i mean you are seeing very clear pushback right now even from normies
>>720801595>why am I supposed to accept worse-looking, less detailed games needing several times more computing power to be playable at all just because they are newer?You don't. Do me a favor though, shut the fuck up about it. Stop crying, and go do something else. No one is forcing you, or asking you, to do anything. You have free will. Use it and go touch grass or boobs or something and ignore BL4s shit optimization. Grow the fuck up.
>>720801595"You'll buy it anyway" mentality. Publishers expect games to sell on IP which means features like quality are secondary. This is also reflected in development times and developer skin color.
>>720795731what an asshole
>>720801749Randy, you ok bud?
>>720801749no, and i'll double down on it just to make you seethe m0ar
>>720801749Its okay anon, I already refunded the gameTry again next time!
I get that you cant afford to buy pc hardware but come on now, crying about it online doesnt make anyones lives better.
>>720801749oh Randy, if only BL4 was an outlier I assure you I would not care>>720801773it's pretty grim that nowadays you are expected to buy expensive new hardware not to be able to play amazing new games with never seen before features, but just keep up with the FOMO while AAA devs shit out more and more unoptimized disappointments
>>720801749there is genuinely such a high chance this is randy and i think thats hilarious
What's next? DLSS4 mandatory for 720p?
>>720801749no, i won't shut up about it, simply because this is what you people want.>don't talk about it!>just do something else!>just don't use it!i won't, but i'm gonna call you motherfuckers out on it every single time, because you need to be called out. my duty as a member of society demands it and i will.
>>720801916When white culture dies out and we're left with chink and indian hivemind pop culture you'll miss this transitional period.
>>720801975And framegen for silky smooth 24 fps. Enjoy!
>>720801914There is no consumer pc hardware that runs it well.
>>720801975We'll be back to 360p soon enough at this rate.
Do people not remember shit Gearbox/Randy have previously pulled? Like that Alien game from 2013? I know Randy's a bit of a lolcow and that's why people even pay attention to what he says but everyone seems to be taking his dogshit games with awful performance too seriously, just don't buy games from this clown.
>>720795731i recently played miles morales in 4k 120hz on a big OLED tv and it's one of the only games that can run native 4k 120hz on a 4090 and keep the fps - it's EUPHORIC and you should not underestimate the difference compared to DLSS which is basically just screen door effect fake frames and doesn't give you the same euphoric immersion feeling
>>720801749Randy can I have some free game codes.
>>720801975"4K Ready" won't refer to the resolution but what you need at the checkout.
>>720802129Euphoric you said? *Tips fedora*
>>720797186it's not real frames - you guys are fucking morons it's so tiring watching year after year of you falling for marketing scams and bullshit - this shit reminds me EXACTLY of when tv's were all advertising they were 120hz and 240hz but not a single one displayed anything above 29.99fps - you all think AI is some magical tool when it's pure wall street kikery
>>720800115>>720800326go to bed Randy
>>720802113The We Happy Few devs having to put "Randy isn't working on the game" into the FAQ on Steam after Gearbox became their publisher will never be not funny.
Doesn't Randall Dickturd have better shit to do than schizo tweet? Why is this queer rapid fire tweeting shit every day lmao? It's kind of based to see such a prominent figure in the industry just fucking tripping out though instead of having the company post a generic statement.
Yep. Gaming is truly dying. It's like how Remnant 2 runs like liquid dogshit and the retard devs unironically ONLY put "we updated DLSS and fake frames" in the "performance" section of their patch notes.
>>720802204
>>720802305>Doesn't Randall Dickturd have better shit to do than schizo tweet?He really doesn't.
>>720798380>hardware is just not good enough yet.god you are fucking lame - there are multiple games releasing all the time that run 4k 120fps native just fine - miles morales, bf6 seems to - arc raiders probably will too - you guys don't want to admit AAA studios write slop code but it's true
>>720796336The crazy part is lumen looks like shit. And runs like shit. Pick one or the other but never both.
>>720802305my man, randy is a literal twitter schizoposter. you know some prominen 4chan schizos? he's like that, jsut terminally online on twitter
>>720802404The only upside to lumen is that its vendor agnostic and doesnt give nvidia a leg up over other gpu makersBut too bad it performs like ass anyway
>>720798113>we can make UE5 synonymous with low qualityit's already all over every single benchmarking video out there. Everybody caught on to how garbage UE5 is and is sick of it
>>720800691that's bullshit - you can run tons of games 4k120hz on a 4090 or 5090 - you AAA slop niggers carpet bomb these forums - i think it's all the studio devs wasting all their time every day that's why ubisoft games cost 400 million dollars cause you all just sit around on the internet all day
>>720798380Crysis looked absolutely amazing in its day. It was something that people upgraded for to experience. I frankly can't tell Borderlands 4 apart from 3 or even 2. Graphics have stagnated hard while processor requirements have gone up as have prices for said processors. Fun fact if you google "best looking games today" you'll get a bunch of PS4 games, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn and RDR2 that ran on Jaguars and HD 7850s.
>>720802507You can run last gen games at those resolutions and framerates and admittedly they will look very good. However when you are buying a GPU today you compare it to the games of today. If a 4090/5090 can't run all AAA games of today at 4k/60 without resorting to DLSS then they aren't real 4k cards. Hell think of tomorrow when buying these 1k+ cards.
>>720801485the only thing being high here is you retard.this game plays like shit on any graphics card and using fake frames and vaseline isn't the right way to go at this, never was.
>>720801387muh zelda ran at 20 fps or lessmuh gta SA ran no higher than 25fpsmuh mgs4 spent most of its life in low 20's
>>720802645What you are missing is that the games of today look no different from the games of yesterday. Hell, they often look worse.
>>720802742That doesn't really matter, that's on the developers being brown. If you buy a GPU today it's to be expected that it runs the games of today and if the GPU costs well over a grand I expect them to run well (4k/60). That's not a high bar when the card alone costs more than the average gaming PC today.
>itt people who dont own borderlands 4 think the game has too few fps running max settings on 4k native on a gpu they dont owntheres no point to anything is there
>>720802913okay but enough about your wild fantasies randy
>>720802913Well maybe if Randy had made a good game I might subject my 4090 to it. I don't have a Reddit account so all Borderlands games stay off my Steam account.
>>720802992okay well you might be interested in 1440p medium setting benches using 4090 with frame genmost people itt own an equivalent of 3060 or worse gpu
>>720803126I might be interested in opening Brood War instead when I've stopped shitting on the newest slop on /v/.
>>7208031264090 on medium settings with frame gen on at 1440p is fucking insanity on a game that literally says you can run it on a 2070 at minimum settings.
>>720803126>most people itt own an equivalent of 3060 or worse gpuyou're right in that BL4 has the ability to make a 4090 feel like a 3060 in game
>>720803192why?most people with a job buy 1440p qd oled monitors with 360hzthen bl4 medium settings are optimized while the high settings are placebo level
>>720795731Randy Pitchford has got to have a humiliation fetish. There's no way he's this much of an idiot. He wants people to shit on him.
>>720803126>he's still goinglmao randy fuck outta here you dumb fuck
>>720803242a 4090 should be able to run bl4 at 1440p flawlessly without the use of dlss or framegen without having to lower the fucking settings.
>>720803126Atleast you agree that the 4090 (and by proxy the 5080 and 5090) aren't 4k cards.
>>720803323>>720803281>>720803276this must be how it feels to use public transport in usa
>>720803391the only public transport in the us that somewhat works is in new york, and even then it's fucking dogshit
>>720803391i wouldn't know, i'm from eu, so i don't have to cower in fear and wear anti stab vests
>>720801585if it were like 10% of the total frames I could see his point, but we're getting to like 70% of total frames being fake which is absolutely demented
>>720795731>game looks like blurry mashed potatoes>rtx 5090 struggles with itmany such cases but this takes the crown
And you wonder why people prefer to play older games or Roblox
>>720803685people need some games using latest graphix to use with their brand new gpus
>>720803937Well, this isn't it. It looks not different from borderlands 3.
>>720803536how is it even possible to make pic related run this bad? It looks like a PS4 game
>>720803937They can use them to get 300 as many frames on high settings with games that ran poorly on their PC's before
>>720803971using shitty unreal engine tech, reminder tim sweeney has never once cared about quality, he just wants as much control as possible and will cut as money corners to achieve that, how people don't fucking realize this after the most half assed attempt to make an online store is beyond me.
>>720797696imagine being so incompetent as a dev team your framerate gets tanked for THAT outcome
>>720803937>people needno, no they don't randy
>>720796359Why? Why not push graphics beyond what current hardware is capable of? The way i see it is that there is no reason to not use dlss quality and no autism is not a reason.
>>720803937True but the games should look the course if they run the course.
>>720804116>Why not push graphics beyond what current hardware is capable of?You can. This game doesn't, therefore nothing justifies it running like dogshit.
>>720797162>>720797259The latency was awful in Stalker 2. In BL it's not that bad
>>720804191againthe recced specs is 3080it runs >60 fps at 1440p
>>720804116what does the game do that pushes graphics beyond current hardware
>>720798113Not you personal army faggot
>>720795731can someone kill randy please
>>720804036I played Khazan which is also made in UE5 and also has cell shading and it ran flawlessly, it even had super fast loading times, it's definitely less of an engine issue and more of a question of cutting corners
>>720804116lmao you're not pushing fucking anything anywhere randy, the game looks like fucking BL3, not to mention, what do you mean by "pushing graphics"? did you fucking write the graphics engine yourself or what, you fucking dunce? you didn't do shit, you used an off-the-shelf solution, don't fucking come here preaching how you're pushing the boundaries of what the hardware is sapable of, first of all you have no idea what that means and second of all the only shit you're capable of pushing out is the one in your own asshole during your public toilet hooker orgy, you subhuman
>>720804221Do your eyes not work or are you just that retarded? The game looks only marginally better than bl3, a game with RX 590/gtx 1060 as recommended settings and ran much better than 60 fps at 1440p.
>>720795731Are the coders getting lazy with ai or did they get replaced with indians also using ai
>>720804359you're talking about something subjective?Theres no standard for how much graphix game needs to have to look certain way.
>>720804458
>>720804240and let him escape the consequences of over outsourcing his games to jeets? hell no
>>720795731>is optimized>we made it why the idea of making it a mess
>>720795731welcome to the futurethis is how it's going to be from now on
Randy has been lying all his fucking life
>>720804604you people sound like the target audience for consoles
>>720804645as if recent consoles aren't doing this fake frame garbage
>>720800880Where the fuck is this performance going?THe game looks like ass.
>>720803971They fell for the nanite meme
>>72080422160 fgfps (fake generated frames per second)
>>720804729Randy pocketed it to fund borderlands 5.
So now you're not allowed to dlss when the game is designed around dlssits just fucking 3rd world poorfags who havent bought a gpu in the past 5 years isnt it
>>720804229I imagined you writing this all sweaty in your dark basement, chins jiggling with every tap
>>720804936>Designed around increased input latency, blurry visuals and artifactsSo what you're saying is that Borderlands 4 is designed to look and feel like shit. Got it, hombre.
>>720795731You don't hate these people enough. Literally destroying not just the game industry but also the PC industry
>>720804936The game isn't "designed around dlss" it uses it as a crutch to pretend the dogshit performance isn't real.
>>720804936>the game is designed around dlssI also heard it has blast processing
>>720795731>I have been led to believeThe ultimate scapegoat comment.
What are you doing, Randy?
>>720805064>>720805114>>720805183dlss looks greatbut go ahead post a screenshot of a game supposedly ruined by dlss oh wait you cantso why are you making posts online about dlss looking badis it mental illness?
>>720798113>DLSSlopI think most people with normal senses can feel its artifacts and latency.
>>720805501>dlss looks greatretard
In the good old days, we'd make fun of third worlders who couldn't run the newest games with their dogshit computers. Now look at this place lol. Fucking pathetic that we've been overrun by them.
>this thread
>>720805501This isn't about dlss as a graphics quality discussion, retard, it's "the game runs like dogshit if it doesn't have constant crutches to lift its ass out of sub 20 fps territory despite the game looking like bl3".
>>720805501
>>720805570>just buy better hardware goy!>ignore glaring performance issues goy!>just buy buy buy!fuck off randy, go lick some piss off the flor in a public toilet
>>720795731Why is he so retarded? DLSS makes the game looks worse along with adding input lag.
>>720805501dlss is literally fake frames interpolated between real frames. there's nothing there.
>>720805570>this placeThis isn't the games industry. This is a thread on 4chan.
How can anyone tolerate borderlands games anyway? Guns look ass and the guns themselves are turbo gay ass, writing is something that a redditor manchild with 0 self-awareness finds funny and there's always some weird performance retardation going on with every game and yes that includes boylovelands 1Where's the fucken appeal? The loot is just lolsorandumbXD that doesn't make it good, it's bigger number better in the end afterall. To me these games are modern fast food tier of games where it's just the most generic trash you can play. There'san abundance of FPS games, pick something else and don't give money to this jewish rat who thinks male menstruation is a real thing.
>onirism poster has arrived
>>720805738played the first one and it was nicethat was way back then though, couldn't stomach the second or the third one, can't remember anymore. the one where every fucking character can't shut the fuck up
I know that the game runs bad but these people doing their ragebaiting in ultra settings and without dlss is just.... yeah ragebaiting.
>>720804936>calling people poorfags while admitting no purchasable gpu can play the game legitimatelyThat makes you the poorfag.
>>720805501why are we just accepting upscaling as the norm instead of, i don't know, the game being at a normal resolution by default? why don't we just design games around that.
>>7208058753rd world.
>>720805910well you see nvidia release dlss in 2018 and gpus with dlss have around 90% marketshare thanks to dlss being a thingnow all gamers expect all games to feature dlsssince the publishers use game engines that support dlss and they know basically every gamer will enable it they will design it around dlss being a thing
>>720805820the guy in the OP is running it on a 4060 @1080p on low settings with no dlssit runs at 50 fps avg
>>720805917Yeah, you sure are. But it is impressive that you managed to take over the games industry.
>>720795865I had jaggy edges but then I smeared vaseline over my monitor.
>>720805982>now all gamers expect all games to feature dlss
>>720805998>with no dlssYeah.When I used DLSS Quality in the new Doom my fps went from like 70 to 100 AND the game actually looked more detailed and sharp because it also attempts to fix rendering artifacts.
>>720806052Classic.
>>720806058yeah, metaphor launched without dlss and it lost a lot of sales because the free demo looked fucking terriblestarfield not having dlss at launch was a bizarre shitshow as well
>>720795731Can I say the quiet part out loud, as a consolegod myself?Pctorons got too entitled lately. Native resolution is NOT a standard, and you are NOT entitled to 60 fps without DLSS and framegen.I think pclards should adjust their expectations a little, if you want bleeding edge performance then purchase bleeding edge hardware, it's that simple.If you can't mess with your pc as Randy suggests to squeeze out the most out of your system or can't afford latest hardware then stick to consoles and stop larping. Pcmasterrace is all about peak performance with no compromises, any "ps5 killer builds" simply won't cut it and contradict this philosophy.
>>720806182can u stop larping for 2 seconds
>>720800616If you find a way to disable lumen everyone will get 2x the fps. But it isn't a setting you can disable manually. i'm sure someone will find an .ini edit or gimmicky mod that will do so in a few days, and within a month they will add it as an option in the settings and claim the game's performance has been "fixed".
I've yet to recieve an explanation as to why every game released this gen barely looks any better than what we had before, but requires a 3000$ rig from the future to play at 30 FPS.
Remember when everyone thought DLSS would help old cards play new games better?lmao
>>720806119idk I played a bunch of silksong the last few weeks and it runs at 144hz at 4k but you're right it looks like shit without dlss>>720806059if you don't see the problem in that level of performance I'm not sure what to tell you
>>720806286incompetence from epic games and developers that utilize unreal engine
>>720806286UE5 is a part of it, but general loss of competency across the industry is probably the biggest reason.
>>720800214sorry goy, looks like you need to upgrade. there's an amd cpu with a higher number (9950x3d) so it looks like your components are just outdated.
>>720806313I did not say that I don't see a problem with it. I said that people are putting active effort into making the situation seem even worse than it is and turning the game into a ragebait content.
>>720806286Devs either have no time or no skill to optimize shit, it's that simple
>>720806286uncertain times means people working on making games can make 10x the money doing boring, methodical corporate soulless work so when they get laid off after a release and replaced by indian coders using chatgpt they don't come back. They just do the boring job that pays well and fuck off to either make their own passion project in 20 years or never return to the games industry.
>>720806182Why should a good standard stop being a standard?Because you're poor?
>>720806182>you are NOT entitled to 60 fps without DLSS and framegen.and you are not entitled to my moneyso suck my dick randy
>>720806443because it was never a standard to begin withyou are not entitled for free work from devs to optimize their game on the countless possible pc configurations that meet even the minimum required specs, it's all on you, the user>>720806450if you don't buy products (hardware, software) then you are irrelevant to this industry so your opinion is worhtless
>>720806312You have to wait until cards that have DLSS are old to see if that happens.
>>720806525>if you don't buy products (hardware, software) then you are irrelevant to this industry so your opinion is worhtlessI buy products. Just not yours, because it's shit.
>>720795731That reticle ghosting with DLSS enabled is crazy. Why do people tolerate that shit?
>>720806567Post recently purchased products.
>>720806312Yes and many people in here still believe that's the case. But it never was. You use DLSS because TAA sucks.
>>720806525>because it was never a standard to begin withYes it was. Wanna try again?
>>720806389you should probably at least skim through that video : there are noticeable artifacts once you turn on dlss which are pretty distractingthe situation is pretty gross
>>720806286A mix ofcompetency crisisIndiansraytracingUE5briberyWEF
>>720806525hello don mattrick
>>720806617It never was a standard. People have been whining about optimization on their shit rigs for decades now.
>>720806552No, you don't, anon. That is right now. There are several generations of cards that support DLSS. The oldest ones are literally irrelevant, especially the mid range.
>>720799783Randy is the ragebait god, never have I seen anyone so confidently wrong about everything
>Borderlands runs worse than Doom Dark Ages path tracing
would /v/ that banned people with systems weaker than ps5 improve post quality?
>>720806665He's a textbook narcissist so I'm very certain he's 100% serious about everything he says and that he's right while the world is wrong in his mind
>>720806749currently half of steam has worse specs than a base ps5, that would pretty much kill off posting on /v/ because it's just third world pajeetsI seriously wish /v/ had a system in place to verify your recent purchases and playtime on PSN/Steam/NSW and if it found out that you didn't play any games that are 2 years old or less you should be automatically redirected to >>>/vr/ or /vg/ in your favourite poorfag generalpeople here that don't have the hardware or the time to play video games pretend to shit out their worhtless takes about the industry and games in general by essentially parroting the takes of their favourite e-celeb
>>720806621I skimmed and didn't catch the parts. I just saw him complain about the game looking like ass on lower settings with popup and ugly reflections etc, not DLSS related.
>>720806598>gw2 addon>remnant 2 complete bundle>sands of salzaar>zet zillions>aotenjo>rune coliseum
>>7208068967:00
>>720801284monster hunter wilds if you updated the dlss file it looked a lot bettercant expect nu pc players to know how to problem solve thoughjust a bunch of zoomers playing with expensive lego these days
>>720806749
>>720806525>if you don't buy products (hardware, software) then you are irrelevant to this industry so your opinion is worhtlessi wanted to answer but >>720806567 already beat me to it, thanksagain, suck my dick randy
>>720806182>Pcmasterrace is all about peak performance with no compromisesThen why do devs refuse to make games with good performance?>>720805570>>720806894The game runs like shit on good hardware because Randy expected everyone to use DLSS and fake frames.Anyways, working for american companies and defending their honor online will not turn your skin white.>>720806525Fuck off retard.
>dlssIm using AMD.
YOU FAGGOTS ARE POSTING INSIDE OF AN AD YOU FUCKING NIGGER MONKEY FAGGOTS SAGE GOES IN ALL FIELDS NIGGER
>>720806967Yeah the guy started from 20 fps and then got 40 so no wonder it is going to artifact.
>>720807303why?
>>720806967>>720807325Like actually it doesn't even make sense that he would gain double fps from just turning on DLSS Quality.... That's like frame gen numbers.
>unreal engien 5 with open world game runs like shitno way! NO WAY!
>>720804116>Why not push graphics beyond what current hardware is capable of? Are we implying modern games have next-gen graphics or something?
>>720807275>Then why do devs refuse to make games with good performance?because only 1% or less of team has the best hardware currently available on the market, the game runs quite well on old hardware (>3 years old cpu/gpu) and almost 5 year old consoles>The game runs like shit on good hardwareno it doesn't>Randy expected everyone to use DLSSonly if you need to, people with truly good hardware can easily avoid it just like in mgs delta>working for american companies and defending their honorI'm doing neither, I don't own gearbox or nvida stocks, I'm not paid for this, it's just a reality check for people that seem to forget where they are>Fuck off retard.more ad hominemscare to address the argument lil bro? how am I wrong?
>>720807303Go ahead, buy Radeon.
>Upscaling is a technology that will help older hardware to catch up and still be somewhat relevant!
>>720807754They all look terrible.
>>720797013I don't hate upscaling like most of /v/, I think it's an incredibly useful tool to bolster weaker hardware, and to give very high (120+) framerates to people with high refresh rate monitors....however I don;t feel like it should be a requirement to hit 60fps on the world's most expensive consumer graphics cardIt should be a tool you can enable by choice, not something that must be enabled because the devs couldn't be bothered to optimize their fucking code, and Gearbox has a habit of being FUCKING LAZY coders, I can't be bothered to type it all out again, but the best examples are here >>720803876
>>720807325he still gets artifacts both at ultra and at medium settings at 1080plow settings 1080p is the only time he hovers around 50 fps native, and possibly the only time where the real framerate would be high enough he wouldn't get artifactshe's basically forced to play on low @1080p to avoid artifacts on a 4060
>>72079573110 million sales in 2 hoursBorderchads we won again!
FUCK OFF RANDY
>>720799225Latency is a LOT more noticeable in rhythm games. Then again, you can compensate that by just hitting the buttons early.
>>720807910Yeah but idk how it is possible to get 2x more fps by turning on dlss quality. The game doesn't work, it's using dlss performance when choosing quality, or the guy is turning on their losslessscaling on in the background.
>>720808184>it's using dlss performance when choosing qualityguess that's possible : it happened with dragon's dogma iirc
>>720795731daniel owen is a cool guy
>>720807642No, arguing with retarded pajeets who think blindly defending shit corporations from america will turn their skin white is a huge waste of time.
>>720798113Nah. I'm not a janny, I don't work for free. Besides, UE5 isn't the biggest issue, 5.6 actually fixes much of the performance issues. The issue is actually lazy devs.There is a confirmation bias at play, because UE5 is a uniform do-it-all engine. You need to actually gear it correctly as many of its defaults aren't good for many types of games. But because it's so encompassing and has such a large toolset and assets ready to use, it by nature attracts the worst forms of devs. RPG Maker has this same problem in that regard, the more you lower the entry bar into game Dev, the less capable people you attract. This in turn means they are using a capable Engine that does things they don't fully understand and don't know how to tune to their needs, resulting in underperformant slop games.That's not to say UE5 doesn't have issues, it very much does. But majority of its issues are just bad devs that misuse it and being the forgiving engine that it is, it allows them to still make working games with it. That's why most UE5 games "feel" like UE5 games. Because these idiots don't know how to change animation loops, camera and lighting defaults. They just keep the the template shaders and settings, resulting in the UE5 "look". Wukong and Tekken 8 both use UE5 and are fine.
>>720808901>more ad hominemsman I just love how each time I shatter the absolutely rediculous worldview of people who think they are entitled to anything they are unable to cope with reality and just attack the individualyou do you brah
>>720795731This fag is so dishonest. what fucking ghosting?
>>720809053I pay for the product with my own money when I don't even have to, so yes I deserve to be treated like a king because without my money games flop and studios get shut down. That's the factual reality of things.
>>720809115Can you do the last gun again but with more pixels?
>>720797162The problem is studios advising frame gen to reach 60 fps.
>>720809115>20:18
>>720800559It's a cpu thing and Nvidia trash driver overhead Any game that is moderately taxing on cpu will run better on a 9070 xt than a fucking double the price or more 5080Really sad
>>720800864Crysis is cpu bottlenecked. Even the "remaster" runs like shit on a 5800x3dMaybe 6ghz Intel's or 9800x3d can power through it I duno
>>720796373reminds me of thishttps://youtu.be/-yDM9XRK2lU?si=-OkpoCH7jCAieHTD&t=521
>>720809241Blame this shitty website that still uses 4mb restriction in 2025. this site unironically needs to die get replaced by better chans.
>>720809115there's so much artefacting in this webm because 4mb video limit can't see a god damn thing
>>720800880If you don't have a 9800x3d you will get less. Due to Nvidia Jeet coded drivers. Since blands taxes cpu
>>720809539>>720809528
>>720797696Have fun with your lazy eye
>muh 4mb restrictionI've seen this exact convo happen at least twice for this exact game and it always ends with anons saying to fucking use catbox or any other alternatives like holy fuck you fucking retard good fucking lord BL4 players are fucking retarded as fuck.
>>720809528If you cut the video length by 200% then you can fit 200% more pixels. That's why I asked for you to show the one gun only.
>>720809756no one clicks links
>>720809757or he could just spin and take a screenshot mid spin and upload a crop. hoooooooooly fuck actual retards good fucking lord.
>>720809757>>720809843will do wait up
>>720809873this is literally the only game where DLSS is discussed and people have to you retards to use catbox or literal common sense.
>>720796373You cannot make it so obvious, anon. What you want to do is add a spread depending on the game and settings used, i.e. greater fluctuations on high settings, so you want to go with fps_basevalue = 20 - 1 * graphics_checkboxfps_variation = random(40 - fps_basevalue)fps_counter = 200 + fps_basevalue + fps_variationto be calculated each frame.There you go, now you have low settings people enjoying allegedly smooth fps with enthusiasts having believably greater variations. You can of course tweak al these values, provide proper statistical functions to the variations etc., but this is the basic idea. You need to put more work into your trickery. Still, good approach.
>>720809496Isn't that due to cryengine2 being practically single threaded all the way, even the 64bit version? I remember there being a heated debate whether you should buy q6600 or e8400, because the latter gave you slightly better performance in Crysis and some other games, but overclock the Q6600 to 3,2ghz and it carried you almost a decade.
>>720799729>Doesn't post settings>Probably medium because looks like ass
Why can't Randy to learn to shut up? You're supposed to be quiet and fix the game in moments like this. It does not matter if the game will ever be fixed or not or if it is broken now or not. Engaging in discussions like this never pays off.
>>720809946
>>720799975False
>>720809989Everybody wants to be John Romero!
>>720795731What if I have AMD?
>>720810138better hope you have 9000 series for FSR4
>>720795731Have you chuds considered you're being disrespectful to gaming devs by not upgrading to the latest hardware as soon as it comes out?
>>720809989He takes any criticism towards borderlands 4 as a personal attack to his character, at least that's what it seems like. He probably expected borderlands 4 to receive unequivocal praise from everyone and put him in forbes' most successful peoples list or something desu
>>720810216Respect should be earned first.
>>720810090kinda pointless if you don't show settings and hardware
>>720795731>my fps?>I made it the fuck upholy based age we live in
>>720810090>20:44>720p
>>720799191>we>we>we
>>720805501"DLSS looks great" is the new "the human eye can't see past 24fps"
>>720810404>>720810454
>>720810404>>720810454111
>>720795731Borderlands 4 is a premium game made for premium gamers' is Randy Pitchford's tone deaf retort to the performance backlash: 'If you're trying to drive a monster truck with a leaf blower's motor, you're going to be disappointed
who was that one guy who called devs shit because they don't know how to optimize in UE5
>>720810693>>720810626and what's the gpu?
>low settings>looks like poop>barely hits 60fps in empty area>4060What the fuck were they smoking making this game?
>>7208109545090
>>720810994Randy's jizz more then likely.
>>720811047lol
At this point I think they just forgot to hide objects and NPCs out of the player's view and the entire map is loaded. That is the only way I can explain this shit
>>720806981suicide retard
Not optimizing your game is BADASS!Not buying it is even more BADASS!
>>720806286From my understanding, it's that they're using real time lighting and global illumination instead of baked in lighting and in engine tools that do LoD for you (like UE5, this is why people shit on UE5 a lot, because of lazy devs slapping Globlal illumination and automated LoD) but those tools are very taxing when unoptimized and eat up performance and don't make the games look that much better, instead they're specifically being used and being poorly optimized because they cost less development time.There's also physics simulation, ai behavior and destructible that suck up a lot of frames but that earlier stuff I was talking about is the main thing.Basically all these tools should be in the 'beta' stage but people like Epic are selling them and marketing them as though they're fit for purpose and can instantly make your game look better with less dev time but players are paying the cost because they can't actually run these games the devs are putting out.
>>720799729mfg cope
>>720810698i thought all the borderland games were BAD ASS games made for BAD ASS gaymers
>>720795731nobody is forcing you to buy this sloppa. on the other hard, if you have a MODICUM of respect of yourself and your time you wouldn't touch this EVEN if gearbox gave you $80 to play it
>>720811404More like bad & ass
>>720811476I was looking forward to this because there are very few single player looter shooter FPS games out there. And Borderlands pretty much has a monopoly on it. I was hoping it would be good.Also >buyYeah, no, I have not bought a game in over 5 years
>>720811108what?
>Gooks easily release games that looks great and achieves 160fps+ without needing DLSS/framegenApologize.
>>720811268I gleamed all this from watching a 30 minute video but basically the devs can't optimize these games much and they've basically built them to be broken because they'd have to scrap huge chunks of the game and do LoD by hand AND they'd basically have to scrap the entire lighting and redo everything by hand too when they've already set aside the budgets to be based around the shortcuts that UE5 put in place
>>720811676I mean ok : you have the best gpu on the market and you manage to get enough native frames that DLSS doesn't noticeably fuck it upthat doesn't say much about the quality of the game considering that with a 2k card you could brute force fucking anythingand I'm not even sure why you're running high settings : if YOU can't get to 120fps on ultra with that fucking card with framegen and DLSS who else is supposed to? nasa?
>>720795731Why are people so allergic to DLSS and fake frames? Literally no difference.>umm yeah bro I can totally see that fake frame which lasted 5msI also don't care about input lag since I don't play eSports shit
>>720812147Because I want developers to make games that actually run well on high settings.
>>720799783Does Randy post in the God of War threads?
>>720795731you absolutely can detect input lag
>>720812147>Why do people care if I don't care????
>>720812147DLSS is supposed to be A option for people that wanted it, not the ONLY option.
>>720795731that fucking engine is a huge curse to gaming
>>720810698>Borderlands 4 is a premium gamethe only premium thing about it is the price, the Supreme of video games only that at least Supreme didn't take itself so seriously
>>720812091My point is NO GHOSTING
>>720802718>3 gamesZAM
>just spend 1500 currencies to play a game that doesn't look as good as the last one
>>720812147bc its a cope
>>720813053well it uses unreal 5 technologies that are objectively superior to some old tech
>>720811705I looked it up and they wouldn't have to scrap the entire lighting and redo everything but basically they've likely already tweaked it as much as they can so it would require deeper fixes and lots of work which they don't want to spend money on.
>>720813094Superior how?
>>720813224idk, read unreal 5 guide or something
>>720813094what even is the official excuse to use Unreal 5? We all know the real reason is contractual shenanigans between Epic and publishers but what do devs publicly say to justify it?
>>720795731I'll take randy over youtube slop
>>720813291presumably loads of game studios went "replicating ue5 would be too much work" and they dedicate resources into making the game instead
All I'm hearing in this thread is PC class warfare.
>>720813409why not stick to UE4 if 5 makes performance such an issue?In other industries companies don't just blindly switch to a new piece of software even if it's shit
>>720813616the entire game industry used to shit on activision for having call of duty use the same engine from cod 2 to like infinite warfareit ran like a dream and the devs knew how to use it but everyone wanted new shiny
>>720811690>phd in assblessed
>>720813616you can make any sorta game you wantblands 4 simply used more heavy features than most games
>>720801006>I wantirrelevant
my opinion on dlss4k dlss performance is very very bad4k dlss quality is meh2880p dldsr with Dlss balanced is amazing it's msaa with slightly more ghosting
>>720799975I refunded it because I couldn't hit a stable 60 fps at 1080p with a 3080 and a 10900kThat's with DLSS. It got close but it kept stuttering and dropping to like 45 and I refuse to play a BL game that looks just like 3 but runs 10 times worse. I booted up BL3 and I have 160+ fps on Ultra compared to my 45 on low on BL4 and the games look identical. I would say BL3 looks better even because it has baked in lighting instead of gaytracing.
>>720813887iirc Rockstar also as been using and improving the same engine for 20 years and they managed to make Red Dead Redemption 2 run decently on the goddamn PS4 despite that game being more detailed and impressive than any Unreal 5 game currently available
I don't get itLike... it's Borderlands. it's a cell shaded game with no complex physics, super basic enemy AI and relatively low detail texture.This shit should run smooth as butter on an old system. Say whatever you want about MH Wilds, but at least that game has amazing realistic graphics when ran properly and there are 200 small events in the map that the game tracks.
>>720814516when you think about it this is just like when battlefield 3 came out and every fucking game under EAs sun was forced to use FROSTBITE from then oni cant think of any good frostbite games except for battlefield
>>720814417>1080p with 3080watI guess its more usable with 9800x3dmaybe theres gonna be cpu optimization patch later on, more shader pre-comp and such
>>720814769Yeah, maybe it's more CPU driven, I don't know but it just wasn't playable for me. I'm going to upgrade by the end of the year so I'll just play it later but it's still super unacceptable for a game that is at least performatively designed to run on a PS5 to run so shitty on hardware that is far superior to it.
>>720814829even with settings dropped to medium? that's pretty crazy but I don't think I've ever played a UE5 game outside of Fortnite
>>720814924Medium?No, anon. LOW. Like bottomed out as low as possible and I still couldn't get a stable 60 fps.
>>720797013i dont get it either>fake framesokay? they look real to me so who cares>input lagoh no i have an extra 0.00000021ms input lag, literally unplayable it is kind of retarded that game devs are essentially making these things mandatory though even if i dont mind them
>>720795731sounds like he's been swindled by market researchmakes sense
>>720814973>okay? they look real to me so who cares>well it's not real meat but it looks real so who caresyou are brownpost hands
>>720795731>the game was designed to be unplayable without proprietary rendering cheatsLmao.
>>720798185>easily carry you through the next 10 years at max settingsThis was never the case.
>>720797013I really don't care about general perception, even if DLSS by magic becomes 99.99999999999999999999% completely indistinguishable from native in all games at all times I really do not want to have something as flimsy as AI approximate pixels for me. Truly, I would rather drop to 720p low before using DLSS. I don't care whether I'm alone with this opinion, like I can't convince you, you won't convince me.
>>720810509heh
>>720814610I wonder how the game simulates projectiles and other effects, but considering that BL2 already had a bunch of crazy shit in it I don't see why those should become a problem now
>>720797013>i love lowering my real framerate by 30% to have high tech motion blur
>>720795731Computer illiterate here. Whats ''DLSS" and why everyone here hates it?
>>720815101>you wear glasses? okay well thats not your real visionsee how retarded your argument sounds now when you dont use a food analogy fatass?
>>720815629people dont hate itIm not sure what the reason for shitposting about it isthe leading theory is that people are poor
>>720815629proprietary system owned by Nvidia that uses AI to increase resolution and framerate, basically it can take native 720p 40fps and use shenanigans to make it look more like 1080p 60fps at a lower computational cost than running the latter natively.It's hated because it's proprietary and because modern devs overly rely on it to have their games run at acceptable figures. It also lets them pretend that something can be run on certain hardware at say 4k 60fps when in realtity without the secret sauce the real figures are way lower
>>720816000>read : game devs assume people use dlss and optimize around that
>>720797013yeah, it's fantastic to cut your framerate by a third to have ai hallucinated motion blur
>>720804116You have to actually make the game look better than anything made before to justify that. If your game looks as good or worse than 10 year old games, you're not justifying this perspective.
>>720798763He's a vegan, hence the very wide field of view.
>>720798218>HURR DURR ME PAYPIG BE ONE TOO SAARListen dumbass, I'm definitely old enough to be your father. Second, I don't even have those. My gpu is a 1gb one from 2012.
>>720816000personally I don't care too much about the proprietary part, just 'ate upscaling simple as
>>720816430why would you hate tech that gives you free fps boost
>>720816148Jesus christ a fuckint 2.5k gpu can run it at 155, don't tell me this is native 1080p.
>>720816116well put, it quickly went from being a tool to prop up aging/cheaper hardware to being a crutch that you are expected to use even with the latest and gratest hardware.I guess that people wouldn't mind so much if only the new release brought anything to the table that could justify being so hard to run
>>720816519the only free thing anyone receives here are the developers incentivised to make lazy botched slop with raytracing that gets salvaged by upscalingthis is an actual regression retard, not progress
>>720814610I bet they use the same tech to render everything games like MH use. And then they slap a shader over everything to make it look cell shaded. Getting the worst of both worlds.
>humans cannot detect any input lagthis retard hasn't played a single game in his life
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>>720799368My bet is they used assets with WAY too many polygons and used the "no code" feature of UE to write most of the gameplay code. People blame the engine or the devs, but the reality is that the management and investors are the cause of it. They want the game to be out as quickly as possible. They don't care if it doesn't run well or if it's boring, as long as it sells well because of its name. Things would change if gamers knew this.
>>720815737HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA what a fucking retard, and yes, that's exactly it, it's not your real vision, you're using something else to see properly, you fucking mongoloid
>>720816519mostly 'ate it being expected, not a crime for it to exist even if i'd only use it in a last ditch scenario, >>720816741 put it better than i could 'ave
>>720795731 LOL
>>720816671it's not borderlands, it's just a video about the costs of frame generationhttps://youtu.be/EiOVOnMY5jI
>>720799729Lmao, what the fuck is that? There are more artefacts in this screenshot than people in Beijing.
>>720816909Jesus christ that is so grim. Imagine paying for the top of the line consumer card worth more than most peoples full PC builds, and you can't even get it to run on your native screen res/framerate.
>>720817238Why do you go to a pedo site for that? I see lgs in swimsuits every day on IG
>>720813094Show me, don’t tell me. From all the footage I’ve seen 4 doesn’t even look better than previous games.
>>720817120Wth, why am I watching all these new GPUs perform like shit. In some cases its old games like overwatch and they are barely hitting 60 fps. What the fuck is happening in this industry.
>>720817321 you do not even know what you are talking about
>>720815629It stands for Deep Learning Super Sampling which is a misnomer. It’s AI upscaling which is the exact opposite of what super sampling is.
>>720817297but its optimized!
>>720817297It's a premium game for premium gamers
>>720817661 Optimized for what exactly? Running like dogshit unless you enable every single NVIDIA acronym and pray the pipeline doesn't implode? At this point "optimized" just means "we turned on frame gen and hope you don't notice the input lag through your tears."
>>720800003Gamers don't have a brain. They are like drug and porn addicts. They can't think straight, they can't see what's in front of them, they can't take smart decisions, and, finally, they are always the perfect victims because of how submissive they are.
>>720817828just because fps counter is high it does not mean latency and frametimes are good, it runs like shit regardless
>>720795731The industry is working towards making games run at 20 FPS on 480p and using AIshit to give you 140 FPS in 4k
>i have been led to believethis man is just a perpetual victim of circumstance
>>720799368>howthe wonders of UE5
>>720818193>write shitty code>blame programming languageevery single time
>>720804936Super Sampling was never designed to be used to upscale games.
there's no problem with the game running like shit if it warrants it with looking greatthe problem is that it doesn't
>>720817297you aren't a premium gamer until you have an rtx pro 6000 blackwell
>>720818257Amazing how so many games consistently write so much bad code on the same engine repeatedly Either the entire industry has a learning deficiency or they are all falling for dogshit memes like Nanite that promise they don't need to learn anything anymore
>>720818589yes? have you seen what these companies employ? go on linkedin RIGHT NOW and look for yourself you inbred piece of nigger shitbut i know you wont do thatbecause faggots like you do not bother to look up or research ANYTHING for themselvesfaggots like you "learn" from memes and ecelebs flaunting shit, from twitter screenshots and trending youtube videosyou are the nigger of this world
>>720818257>the engine is good bro the devs just need to do better, it's never epic's fault, no matter how hard their shills lieI'm tired of Potential Engine 5™ >>720818667lmao
>>720797013DLSS is great, the problem is making a game and using DLSS as a core feature.
>>720818764how can they make fortnite run on literally anything while having it use latest technologies like lumen>oh oh im nigger niggy nigg my favorite streamer told me its shitjust kill yourself subhuman fucking nigger
>>720818589Why not both? Pajeets coding a garbage engine that other pajeets make garbage game code on.
>>720818769not really?like, why would you make a game that doesnt account for the feature existingyou'd by default make graphically less competive title
>>720818193It's not UE, nigger. Fortnite is the best example the engine works. But these game companies need to stop hiring Indiands. And you motherfuckers need to stop buying these games if you want to see a change.
>>720818947fortnite is an 8 year old game you retard
>>720818947>>720818864This site is 18+
>>720818589I really don't see why one should exclude the other, and it's obvious it's both because even if new games ran well they still are boring trite pieces of shit at their core. The only talent left in modern game is in the marketing teams that figure out how to lure cattle into buying them, CP2077's anime was a stroke of genius
>>720795731of course the blind can't detect input lag what a retard
>>720818589You can use UE5, enable DX11 and have not access to: Lumen, Nanite, Virtual shadows.And as an advantage, no shader precompilation is required.Epic is not forcing these indian companies to use the latest features. If they can't use it for their target hardware, then they shouldn't fucking use these features.
>>720819013but it's been updated to include new UE5 features
>>720804116>Why not push graphics beyond what current hardware is capable of?for what purpose? It's a fucking travesty that we have these unimaginable amount of computing power and they are wasted solely on the visuals
>>720819130NOOOO YOU CANNOT PROVE ME WRONG THIS IS 18+ SITE ONLY ASSMONGOLOID OPINION ALLOWED
>2d cell shaded game kills the high end rigLMAOOOOOOOOOO
>>720804116there's nothing beyond realism
>NOOOO IT DIPPED TO 50 FPS FOR HALF A SECOND THIS IS LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE Ok then stop playing on 4k problem solved
>>720812334Randy IS The Betterman!
>>720795731"in a blind test that humans cannot detect any input lag"I'm ESL and I caught this instantlywhat a fucking dumbass
Epic:Don't use this broken feature unless you know what you are doing.Gearbox:Double down on this super cool new feature.Stalker 2 devs did the same stupidity.
>>720795731>cell shaded game>grass doesn't even move>20fpsBut the fault is on your PC, sureThis nigger acts as if you didn't have eyes
>>720819476That statement can be proved wrong quite easily. >Just have a speedrunning tranny testing in some skill based game like Mario 64. >Add some input delay. >Watch the the tranny fail all the speedrunning tricks and off himself.
>>720819738He said humans
>>720799374>Literally all you have to do is play the most competitive genre of game where every single frame matters to notice input lag broWow holy shit dude you're so right. Might as well people to travel to fucking Antarctica to understand the value of a winter jacket.
On my 4070 super DLSS actually lowers my frames by about 5fps over TSR.
>"the game is optimized, just use this band-aid for shit optimization"
>>720796215The grass and shit wastes a ton of resources if not done correctly. The gearbox dei and jeets probably don't know how to use ue5.
This whole ordeal once again proves that nobody involved with producing these AAA games actually plays them
>>720818589Well its generally because nobody praises a game for performing adequately. I never heard anyone post about how this brand new videogame runs at stable 60 fps on high settings. Because when it works its not worth mentioning, and people will only really talk about the problem when it actually is a problem.
>>720819295Consider the idea that Borderlands 4 is the logical conclusion of the borderlands formula (meaning trying to formulate what to do next for a borderlands 5 is much more difficult.) It has been clear from both marketing and the roadmap that Borderlands 4 has been built to have a longer tail of post-launch support than previous titles while also releasing in the twilight of the current console generation.If this is a title that is slated to be supported for 3+ years with the intent to release a ps6/pc Xbox port later down the line it would make sense to design the game to "future-proof" it to a certain extent so it still looks visually on par with future gen games. That is at least a line of thinking I would consider if I was tasked by a publisher to make a big AAA game that could see more than 2 years of support but it depends on if they announce even more dlc after what has already been announced is released.
>>720796359If only.It's more like a car that can't go uphill without nitro.
>>720820524Borderlands would be a far better game if it was Mission based. Most of the DLCs are mission based, that's why they're the best part of their respective games (assuming you play them at their recommended level). Now that the game fully turned into open world slop, there's no chance to fix this game anymore.
>>720795731randy is such a fuckwit
