I'm just gonna say this but growing up, I always thought the intro song sounded like Breaking Benjamin's until the end. It just sounded like that to me. Don't ask why.
>>720796097Wait, there's a tales and trails series? Is tails any good? Couldn't get into trails, too tranime for me.
>>720798587>Couldn't get into trails, too tranime for me.Boy do I have some bad news if you wanted to play Tales
>>720798756I see. Unfortunately jrpg = anime in most cases nowadays. Not the good kind of anime either.
>>720798870Some of the Tales games actually have pretty cool combat systems so if you don't mind skipping every cutscene it's still worth trying the series.
>>720799086Picrel looks fantastic and honestly I secretly hoped that these games are at least mechanically fun.
>>720799086>>720799707Which ones can you recommend? Series has plenty of entries.
>>720801258Combat starts getting good from Tales of Eternia (Destiny 2 in the US) onwards, there are a few stinkers here and there but most games are alright. I'd recommend Destiny DC and Rebirth for 2D and Vesperia, Graces F and both Xillia games for 3D.
>>720801912Berseria is fine if you swap from Velvet, Arise can be fun but is so absolutely shit in every other aspect I cannot recommend it with a straight face.Most sweaty would be Graces F, cleanest and "pick your sweat level" is Vesperia.
>>720801258>combo so hard you go into overlimits>combo even harder so you can actually ult from itJudith can be fun but air juggling is frustrating, meanwhile, in FUN land:>mercilessly spam spell combos at the entire enemy party>mix in gamble spells here and there>whoops your entire party is OVL lvl 4 (or 1 HP)>whoops triple EXP and GRADEPatty is peak Tales combat
Tales is Dead !
Guide to playing Tales: If you can skip cutscenes, skip every single one of them. If you don't know where to go, use one of the billion gamefaqs guides to point you to the next place. Prepare for 70% of the game time to still be running to and from places, but, you do get rewarded with pretty decent to good combat in between. However, you won't unlock the games full potential until 80%~ into the run, and NG+ will be much too easy anyhow. Set expectations low, and you can have some fun.
>>720807087Retarded guide
>>720807214>female character that's prim and proper gets frustrated because her stomach growls and everyone laughsUguu~
20hrs in and vesperias combat is shit, i'd rather play xillia or even zest, at least i don't get constant hitstun from a slight tap and don't need to play for 80hrs to actually be able to combo
>>720807357vesperia is very good but it takes unironically 40 hours to get goodhere is how to enjoy tales of vesperia combatstep 1: force a cheat to allow the grade shop on new game or force a new game plus saveallow all skills and set cost to 1then you can play normally, and every lvl up you get 3 skills for your charactersto compensate, ramp up difficulty to unknownthere, vesperia early and mid game are fixed
>>720807357Vesperia is genuinely the single worst game in the series for gameplay taking too long to get good. It's honestly not worth it.
People that play JRPGs and skip cutscenes have negative IQ
>>720808418I've been skipping the cutscenes in Octopath Traveller cause it has one of the worst stories of any JRPG ever.
>>720808418Perhaps people that don't start with a very high IQ that simply lessens with each cutscene watched, that's a good theory anon
>>720804336Sounds tedious ngl. Is it similar to trails?
>>720808418Is the idea that the gameplay of a JRPG can't be good enough to warrant not watching the cutscenes? Are they the main draw?
>>720808418>NOOOO you cant skip muh anime highschool character screeching and moaning!!!! yamete kudasaiiiiiiiiiKEK
>>720808418>game has fun gameplay and garbage story>noooooooooo you have to waste your time watching this anime drivel instead of playing the game, that's a sign of high IQOk retard
>>720808718>Are they the main draw?They are if there are long cutscenes.They aren't if the game is mostly gameplay focused. Example: Etrian and dungeon crawlers.
>>720808718>JRPG>asset flip Attack-Item-Escape for decades>gameplaynah the weeb knows that the cutscenes are the only draw
>played Tales of Eternia multiple times because it's the only Tales game I owned as a kid and it's one of my fav games>decades pass>wanna play through the rest of the series >start with Vesperia because people are claiming that it's the best one>that bloat, no story, no proper villain(s), gameplay mechanics are getting unlocked 50 hours in>lose any interest in continuing with the series because I played almost 100h to finish Vesperia Not to mention they added shit that's just padding, like those passive that can unlock new skills but to unlock them you have to spam each one to see if it will change to a new skill or not.Grinding for mats is also bullshit, especially if you didn't spam lenses since your very first mob encounter, because good luck trying to farm the materials you want for crafting.
>>720809171>>720808828>>720808760>Pic relatedThe samefagging is too obvious
I realy wish these niggers would port Hearts to pc uuuuuuugh
>>720809595>responses to different posts>samefagging newfag doesn't know that means KEK mad that your posts got shit on and you have no valid rebuttal?
>>720810017Nigger you the one who complain about Anime on Anime game
>doesnt even come with 2
>>720810115I wouldn't want to play 2 even if it was available for free.
>>720806806Funny I have only played 4 Tales games (Hearts R, Vesperia, Berseria and Arise) and I remember them very fondly I also played 15 or so Trails games and despises everything about it nowadays.
>Falcom can easily remake Sky and its sequel>Scamco can't even REMASTER Xillia and its sequel properlyJust why? Falcom's entire company is smaller than Tomizawa's office
>>720810480I rather Tales stays dead than being censored to oblivion
>>720810414Apparently, it's the most cringe anime shit series imaginable. If you thought Xenoblade 2 was cringe, then You Are Not Prepared.
>>720810414How's Trails series nowadays? I played Sky SC and FC and loved them but fuck man CS1 was so terrible and 2 hours into CS2 and i was done with the series, can't get into the series anymore because CS and especially Rean were everything i despise in storytelling.
>>720810638Kuro/Daybreak is the weakest entry of Trails series. Also the translation are butchered up by censorship and recently they have censored the outfits on the remake >>720810520. Its safe to say that its dead now
>>720810638>How's Trails series nowadays?If you hated CS, then you'll hate the sequel even more.
>>720810638Worse
>>720810826*sequels
>>720810058gameplay over cutscenes in Tales series. Stay mad tranime KEK
>>720812287Retard
>>720809595Says the negative IQ third worlder brownoid that skip cutscenes in cutscene heavy games, lol.>>720808760>>720808828>>720812287All replies from the same shitskin
>>720806806keep saying that and maybe that will become true.
>>720813184/v/, no... Entire 4chan has schizo problem
Xillia holds a special place in my heart so I'm really looking forward to the rerelease. I wish they did the grade shop unlock differently. I just want to have the shop unlocked by default but without the currency to unlock everything so you still needed to play the game to earn the grade to unlock the stuff
>>720810480because Sky remake is literally what will save them from going full broke. Tales flopping will not kill Bandai Namco, Sky FC/SC flopping will.
>>720813507if it's like Graces f remastered, you can just ignore it and play the game as the original since the initial grade doesn't carry over.
>>720813321That image is from 14 years ago
>>720813690Well I wanted to have the grade shop unlocked on the first playthrough since I have already beaten it twice so would prefer to treat it like a NG+ playthrough but I just dont like how doing that just removes grade as a mechanic
>>720813792yes. I extracted it from the bonus PS3 theme because I got mad to see it was a literal lost media and couldn't be found anywhere.
it blows my mind that namco never capitalize on the genshin impact, wuthering waves, or ffxiv craze with tales. an action rpg gacha shouldnt be hard to fuck up yet namco sleeps and does old remasters instead.
>>720814019>but I just dont like how doing that just removes grade as a mechanicbut grade isn't removed
>>720814280what other jp devs capitalize on genshin, wuthering, etc?I know Koei Tecmo tried with the new Atelier
>>720814434It is in practice. You either have everything unlocked or you have nothing unlocked. You cant start the game with the shop unlocked and then earn grade to buy things cause the game forces enough currency to get everything on you removing the entire point of grade making it redundant.
>>720796097It would be cool if they backported some of x2's combat improvements to x1.
>>720814878Like what? That's not sarcasm by the way I just genuinely dont remember the differences it's been so long.
>>720814280I'm surprised that they still didn't released a SAO genshin/hoyolike game.
>>720814280Japanese can't make good gacha.
>>720815084Ironstance was a big one, it made some bosses unflinchable.
>>720814741sega did pso2 ngs but failed>>720815114right. or something like xenoblade or nightreign. anything but sleeping on remasters.>>720815189they never give them any real money thats the problem. wuthering waves and genshin impact go heavy on budget and production. they have over 1000+ staff crew. the most a tales game now is probably 100.
>>720815313Bamco probably will give you 5 rolls of ductapes and a sack of gravel for the development budget if your game isn't named Tekken or Dragon Ball.
>>720814794I still don't get why you're seething over this. if you want to play it like the original, just close it without getting anything. You'll still be able to get grade through the game and will be able to spend it on your next playthrough.if not, you can just pick whatever option you want there, including options that can be turned on/off while you play and also farm grade that you can spend it on your next playthrough.Any grade you don't spend in your initial shop will be lost so you'll still have to farm it if you want to get carry over stuff or pick some qol stuff from the grade shop at the NG+.it's literally the same as the free levels/gald dlc, you don't need to use it.
For me, it's Chloe too bad her game sucks
>>720815851I'm not sure what about my posts gave you the impression I'm seething cause I'm not. I just said I wish it were handled a bit differently. It's a minor nitpick. I'm still going to play and enjoy the game without thinking too much about it
20 hours in vesperia, the mat farming is hell. Saw some stuff I shouldnt and decided to just finish the main story. Patty the best character
>>720812647>>720813184HAHAHHA weebfag has nothing but playground insults. Anime really suits your mental maturity
for mesymphonia > zestiria > berseria > arisethat's all I've played
>>720808547It really depends on the Tales game. Vesperia has many mechanics locked to story progression (technically weapon acquisition since you have to grind for passives from those) and Patty is RNG the character.Graces fucking throws you into a fight within the first 10 seconds which is based and the battle system puts emphasis on counters/parries since you normally can't infinite combo.Abyss's FOF system takes practice and positioning to getting used to but many fans love it mainly for the story and worldbuilding.I cannot in good faith recommend Xillia 1/2 and Berseria. Zestiria and Arise are horrible. Of note is that all 5 of those are after the studios merged and when the series went downhill.
>>720807357what.. every tales game is like that. its shit until you unlock more shit to do what you want
>>720820324Anon. Vesperia's an extreme case since the skills (not artes) are unlocked from weapons.Judith is utter dogshit for the majority of the game because of that.
>>720817234Ironic
>>720796097>40 dollarsWhat the fuck?
>>720820550>extreme??? are you saying symphonia's combat was fun from start to finish?
>>720818316>merged and when the series went downhill.Everytime...
>>720821223I'm saying that the "unlock more shit to do what you want" is extreme in Vesperia.
>>720818316 Tales of Destiny 22003 Tales of Symphonia2004 Tales of Rebirth2005 Tales of LegendiaTales of the Abyss20062007 Tales of Innocence2008 Tales of VesperiaWhich ones, as the recent ones aren't worth a recommendation according to you.
>>720821159>>720818316Could the remake be worth it?
>>720822476It's a remaster, not remake. The gameplay and overall non-dlc content will remain the same (and incomplete like the original release considering it's JUST Xillia 1 and not both Xillias).>>720822398You're missing Graces F which I would actually recommend; just don't take the story seriously.Symphonia's gameplay aged like milk.Legendia's gameplay is derided and only loved for the characters and music (Go Shiina).Destiny 2 is alright but you have to deal with the fact that it's still in Japanese. Destiny II is localized Eternia and it's fairly solid, but still obviously dated.Vesperia you've already read about in this thread.Abyss has a very hit or miss cast (Jade carried it for me) but the worldbuilding and lore makes me fucking diamonds and the gameplay is an in-between of Symphonia and Vesperia.Rebirth, never played.Innocence, wouldn't bother.
>>720816427I don't like her that much since she was added for the rereleases (starting with PS3) and she feels tacked on, I mean she took over a sad Rita part on the opening!
>>720823169She steals Judith's quips in later scenes.
>>720822990>(incomplete) remasterDisgusting.>graces f? Got it. I'll try also abyss, destiny 2/eternia and still unsure about Vesperia.
>>720822990I recently played Legendia a few hours days ago (undubbed, anime games in english is dumb), while braindead, it could be worse, I enjoyed it.
>>720806806And Xillia 2 killed it!
Berseria's battle system is a huge upgrade over graces.
>>720823314Have fun, anon.
>>720824030Thanks. They are surprisingly expensive for games that are 20 years old.
>>720823314If you like abyss you'll like vesperia. They're similar, though abyss is really subtle with its allusions to the Kabbalah (its basically the tree of life and death in story format, even starts off with luke learning a lightnight sword art ffs) and Vesperia is way more blatant about personal justice (yet people still misunderstand it somehow)
>>720823443What games/rpg do you like? Can you compare well known rpg to Legendia?
>Innocence R is the more complete version>But Kongwai/QQ's stuff are so tacked on that it just takes you out of the gameAlso doesnt help that Vita3k isnt as good as melonds and has random crashes.
>>720820550>Judith is utter dogshitFor the whole game. Her entire shtick is air combos and she was ruined in the ps3 version since bosses can no longer be air comboed and randomly tech out.She can also only reliably air combo medium enemies. Small and large go flying or drop too fast because of weight. She's basically useless in a practical fight.
>>720824176Many of the entries are out of production and it was<< a pretty niche (and very well-loved in Japan) series.
>>720824183>KabbalahCome now, jrpg always use kabbala or other Jewish mysticism. Even tifa from ff7 isn't an antifa activist, but tifa has some meaning in nose rune memeing.
>>720824424Is it like visions of mana?
>>720824675They still had (have?) events where VAs talked about the games and spouted in-game lines and stuff when Rays (gacha) was still up.After Arise dropped, I don't think many people kept up with the series.
>>720813321>Scamco literally owns idolmaster>Cant have the Idolmaster costumes in the rerelease because ????
>>720824869>Arise dropped, I don't think many people kept up with the series.How so? Any specific reason? Are there other series like tales?
>>720815945HOO! HAH! EAT THIS!
>>720825235Arise being "just okay" to "dogshit" especially considering the devs admitted that it wasn't designed as a Tales game from the start.Long production time with no new console game in between Berseria and Arise.Gachas dying left and right and the series losing goodwill for that too.Crestoria EoSing after 1.5 years.Luminaria EoSing after 6 months and already being terrible in its own right that the fanbase prefers to forget it even existed.RPG with pseudo fighting game mechanics before getting rid of the LMBS (Linear Motion Battle System) starting with Zestiria?/Berseria to become bog-standard 3D JRPG? Not really unless you want more of the latter.
>>720825623>wasn't designed as a Tales game from the start.Devs are complete morons
>>720825623Why was e33 such a success? It's not that they had more money or experience than the e33 devs. Story is shit all the same. Arguably the French have better music, but still...
>>720825883No anime aesthetic.Very pretty and lots of particle effects.The characters aren't trope-y and don't feel like from some anime sitcom.Turn-based with QTEs.Astonishingly good voice acting for both English and French especially in the genre.And as you said, brilliant OST.Also shock value, misery porn, and the likeI'll admit I actually loved it as an artfag. Gustave best boy.
>>720825883>>720826149Normies are very filtered by anime aesthetic, especially with the flood of it thanks to gacha trash nowadays.
>>720826149>particle effects.Tales don't have particle effects?
>>720806806Why Edna loves Anal so much ?
>>720826276Tales does, yes. But E33 goes nuts with it and normies love that.
>>720826268>especially with the flood of it thanks to gacha trash nowadays.That's the problem, innit?>>720826149I'm saying anime is popular and if tales and trails devs wouldn't be clowns, they could sell as many. Unfortunately they stick to the same tropes like moths to light.
>Inomata is deadTales will never be the same...
>>720826350Explosions or what are we talking about? Are they such a big deal in jrpg?
>>720813321I forgot how sexo the loli is
>>720826707In-battle skill effects, environment design, fog, cutscene direction, etc. That stuff.Add that with actual camera work, timing, blurring, and very good storyboarding for scenes and it really stands out.
>>720826863Ok, got it. Does e33 look especially good? What I saw looked mediocre af, but rpg often have shit looks.My explanation is that rpg are actually hyper popular, but we have nothing of value. As you say, good story board alone works wonders. If you condense rpg to few sentences, it shows how simple and boring they really are.
>>720827170>Does e33 look especially good?To me, it definitely does.There's obvious clipping and the like for flowing cloth/hair and unintended items on the character models, but the art direction is just damn good.
>>720826767>loli*Hebe
>>720813321>>720826767IM STILL FUCKING MAD HOW THE FUCK BAMCO FUCKED THIS UP BY NOT INCLUDING THIS IDOLMASTER COSTUME IN THE """"""""""""REMASTER"""""""""""" FUCK YOU SCAMCO
>>720827576Agree on the art direction, it's concise at least.
>>720807357>rather play Xillia 1 than VesperiaReasonable, fair opinion.>rather play Zestiria than VesperiaAlright now you're being retarded on purpose.
>>720824580Ff7 has extremely superficial REFERENCES to the Kabbalah because the words sound cool.Only Abyss actually understood it enough to wrap the whole narrative around it.
>>720827908>hebe*loli
>>720814878I can't think of anything Xillia 2 added to combat that improved it, outside of playable Gaius/Muzet, which admittedly would be fucking cool if they slammed that into Xillia 1. I have never had a problem with the X1 bosses kicking out of combos after 60 hits because it's very telegraphed and also very simple to re-combo them.
>>720807357>i'd rather play xillia or even zest,and you should do it since both are better than Vespshit.
>>720807357I think the biggest issue with Vesperia is that people think you're supposed to do all the cool shit early on already. But Tales games before it are designed in a way where you only do a few hits and will get hit in response sooner or later like a fighting game. Vesperia itself sorta transitions into the combo fest with more and more skills you unlock. In other words, git gud at positioning and kiting.
Tales of Hebephillia
>>720826367>That's the problem, innit?no, it's not. anti-anime prejudice has been a thing since long before the industry got fucked by gacha. it's part of the reason we never got the 2d ps2 tales in the first place, because sony of america pandered to this demographic thanks to xbox throwing a wrench into everything
>>720823314Have checked gameplay vids. They all look intriguing, but vesparia looks best.
>>720825883It does the opposite of Arise in many ways which is actually good game design>Good amount of exploration at all times, be it in the overworld or in areas>Areas don't have maps, so you actually try to traverse dungeons as if they're dungeons, not chores to do>Skill progression is incredible with lots of different, impactful skills to unlock and customise with>Story isn't pants on head retarded like Arise>You can find side quests during your explorations whcih can also be rewarding>Mysterious world you journey through instead of different kingdoms to topple back-to-back>Combat offers some meaningful interactions between different mechanics and characters. Enemy variety is also better and more engaging with the dodge systemThe game was very clearly made by gamers who sat down and mindstormed what they like about certain games they like. You can see that with the parrying system being so rewarding mechanically as well as aesthetically (visuals and sound). Or like being able to pause during battle to adjust settings like sound is so incredibly rare for some fucking reason, I'm forced to believe one on the team got pissed about it and suggested it, so they implemented it.The beach mini games also reminded me of Wind Waker, but I don't know if they actually took inspiration from that.
>>720830580>>Skill progression is incredible with lots of differentI looked up the skills in the demo or ea and they looked like shit. Will do that now, too.
>>720830702I meant the passive skills called Lumina btw, not the combat skills that you activate. You can combine them really well to stack damage amplifications and generate more resources.
>>720828992>I can't think of anything Xillia 2 added to combat that improved it,You're fucking kidding me.
>>720830187>They all look intriguing, but vesparia looks best.Admittedly, you probably watched endgame/NG+ or combo videos because that's when the battle system actually shines.
>>720829240Yeah the combo stuff is a reward and upgrade that aids in a feeling of progression. But everyone is correct in saying adding an sp cost to passive skills was stupid. Xillia 2 does it too but it's very generous and you can grind sp easily unlike vesperia
>>720830187Vesperia is a solid game. Expect the early game to be limiting until you learn weapon skills.
>>720831367Ye, just checked them picto and lumi or whatever. Combat in e33 is basically jrpg with some unique twists. There are some tokens that do this and that. Much better than attack, heal, special attack, but far from outstanding.>>720831367>combosCertainly there are plenty of combos for pretty much all play styles.
>>720810638It's been abysmal since Cold Steel 2 and it's only gotten worse. Daybreak is the only JRPG I can think of that has a traditional trans person in it. It's wild how such a niche series decided to go full on woke when people who care about that shit would never in a million years play Trails.
>>720831926Do any of the tales game have ng +?How long until weapon skills, aka fun?
>>720832215>Do any of the tales game have ng +?All of them other than the original Super Famicom (SNES) Tales of Phantasia.>How long until weapon skills, aka fun?You have to buy/find/craft weapons in Vesperia and you have to progress through the story to unlock more. Several of them are easily lost forever due to how some of the sidequests are designed.
>>720817381You'd probably like eternia and abyss
>>720832215Tales games have the best ng+ options of any videogame
>>720829240Outside of the very old games, every game has your options steadily increase as it goes along. Vesperia however gets singled out for it because of the way that upgrades are paced.
>>720825116>>720827973Lack of global relevance. Scamco have been going for global releases for a while and that screwed certain rereleases (like that Taiko game that removed Senbonzakura)
>>720824284Hard to compare. While I like RPGs, I rarely finish them out of lack of compromise, and with Tales the most I've played is Vesperia because it's the only one I legit have (good stuff). After that were a few hours of Destiny.
>>720829240100%, especially if you're going from Xillia to Vesperia, Xillia let's you do really cool shit super early for a Tales game.
>>720831693Not in the least. Feel free to remind me, because after the near decade and a half that it's been, all I can remember is the removal of scaling TP refunded from basic attacks from a % back to a flat 1, removal of character switching in combat, the gay nigger elemental simon says nonsense to break iron stance and do actual damage that's fucked over the entire series since its implementation here, the Allium/Lillium orb change which quite frankly I can take or leave; neither was ever particularly good or bad in my eyes and both served their purposes just fine, and being extremely restrictive on your party composition, eg. never not having Ludger in your party pre-post game, the whole "no switching your party outside of towns" bit, and being even more assfuckingly insistent about which party members you take into combat than usual. There are other issues that I recall that also affect the gameplay/content negatively but are less direct or symptoms of those main causes, like the debt system handicapping you from getting to the meaningful combat at a decent pace, the enemies being no more interesting than the first game outside of a small handful of fights, the piss filter, or the elemental bullshit basically relegating you to "Hold Guard for 3 seconds to get PC3 so you can actually play the game normally or give up and just play exclusively Ludget". I genuinely had no desire to go back and touch X2 after I finished it, so I'm being genuine when I say I can't really recall any way it vastly improved upon X1's combat.
>>720832993As in?>>720832589Should I play with a guide if I don't have much spare time?
