>>720836447
Because most sci-fi fans expect a certain degree of realism and will turn into raging fucking grognards if you don’t portray it “the right way.” Nobody wants to make games that risk offending those types. There isn’t that kind of expectation for the fantasy genre.

I unironically believe its because people are utterly blackpilled on the future, which is also why dystopian sci-fi like Cyberpunk seems to be the only popular future setting left. Star Trek for example requires a certain optimism and hope about the future. Fantasy is insanely popular right now because it's a comfortable retreat

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>>720836447
fewer

>>720836447
Because fantasy has a lot more material to ape and is therefore more approachable to less talented creators.
Interstellar sci fi requires thinking of all of the following: what exists across the stars? How do the things across the stars interact with humanity? How do you get from planet to planet? What problems still occur when people can just leave to whatever new planet they want instead of fighting a war? What conflicts CAN occur that aren't solved with orbital nuclear bombardment? What level of technology IS it, precisely? Are humans immortal? Is space travel easy and cheap or difficult and expensive? How far across the universe has humanity spread?
And then of course there's the AI question, which always begs investigation. Does AI exist? How is AI regarded? Is AI capable of exceeding humanity's abilities, and if so, what does that look like? A lot of sci-fi immediately has to shut down AI because of how much it will change the nature of living, and so then they need to add an excuse for why AI is not proliferated.
You don't have to think about these things in fantasy. You can just say there's elves and dwarves, and your audience will understand that ah, the elves are a long lived and pointy eared people fond of nature and magic, and the dwarves are a stocky subterranean people fond of mining and industry. You CAN think about them, and play with them, but you don't HAVE to. It's not obligated on the part of the author.


tl;dr it's a lot more work.

>>720836447
It's less accessible. Fantasy has even changed over the years to be more accessible to your average person because normal people can't relate to weird sci-fi fantasy creatures and cultures. They can't even fathom that Star Trek now takes place in an alternate universe where decades of brutal war and genocide has led to a utopia.

>>720836447
It has to pretend to have consistent rules which scares writers

>>720836447
The vast majority of games are already sci fi, you just recognize fantasy more because it has more obviously overused tropes. Your shitty post is clearly referring to space opera, not sci fi

>>720836447
Because most sci-fi is science fantasy.

>>720836447
Imagine the Pon Farr

>>720839104
It would almost certainly kill you

>>720836447
Fantasy is just vastly more popular for no particular reason, that's it. You could easily convert any RPG into sci-fi and all you have to do is make the textures funkier. You can still have your swords, castles and magic, who cares, it's fiction.

>>720839689
Exactly

>>720836447
Thermal Clips

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>>720836701
I agree. People aren't hopeful for the future, so all you see are sidesteps into fantasy worlds as opposed to "Look at what we could have" worlds, and even then when you do see scifi, it's corpo hellscape scifi instead of optimistic

>>720839689
I'm a big guy.

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>>720840982
We need more Trek kino like TNG and Voyager.

>>720836938
Based

>>720840749
>>>/mlp/

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why did it fail where jedi knight succeeded?

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>>720836447
>How come sci-fi gets less games than standard fantasy?
>>720836698
>Because most sci-fi fans expect a certain degree of realism
It's not "sci-fi fans", the STANDARD for sci-fi raised globally.

In the 90's you could blow everyone's mind with the idea of a hand-held communication device that also translate what the humanoid-with-rubber-head said. Your spaceship only needed to look fancy and shot pew pew pew because that looked like a continuation of WWII=>Cold War tech.
Nowadays, we are used to smartphone doing more than that, we expect aliens to actually look like they evolved in another ecosystem, and we are used to computer deciding the outcome of a battle long before the human realize there's a battle.

And if technology don't match the basic we are used to, it triggers the equivalent of the uncanny valley.

Fantasy is easier because the standard are still quite low, we don't expect more than tropes from them. Having any form of consistency or logic is a bonus.

>>720836698
>and will turn into raging fucking grognards if you don’t portray it “the right way.”
People do that if you dont do Tolkein Elf and Dorf sterotypes too

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>>720837094
>tl;dr it's a lot more work.
Nta, I'd complement anon's points in insisting that technology also increase the range & scale at which event happen.

In a Fantasy setting, if you fight in some dungeon, the only things you have to care for are in your immediate surrounding. The local King wouldn't know about it for days/weeks/months, assuming he has enough scout & informants and if there's no survivor it doesn't matter.

In a Sci-fi setting, if you fight in some facility, you have to care about anything happening at the speed of information. The local ruler can identify you with smart camera in seconds, innumerable robot guards can come from the other side of the planet/galaxy at the fastest speed the setting allow.

Even with abstraction and soft-SF, it will be trickier to keep the scale of your sci-fi setting manageable.

>>720836701
last time someone hyped the singularity I thought, "may as well believe in fantasy or magic"

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>>720836447
sci-fi has already been thoroughly redditized over the last few decades and had a natural tendency for it because of the OH MY SCIENCE aspect its irrevocably linked with
the current push is to now finish the process of redditizing standard fantasy that was started around 2010 and jump started by faggots watching critical role

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>>720836447
>Entire society of women who strive to follow logic rather than emotion
>Not real and never will be
Wizardom it is

>>720836447
Because you need to come up with aliens in sci-fi.
If you're making a fantasy you just slap in elves, dwarves, goblins, dragons, vampires, etc and it's gravy. Want to get exotic and stand out? Slap in some furries or japanese/middle eastern myths.
For Sci-fi you got what? Like whens the last time you played a scifi game with greys or reptillians? They all feel the need to make new kinds of aliens.

>>720847956
No aliens in Starfield unless you count the abbos

>>720848151
Wasn't space khajits leaked for one of the dlcs?

>>720848567
giwtwm

>>720843674
>immediately proves anon right
who gives a shit dude
why can't you have aliens with shit tech?
>"it triggers the equivalent of the uncanny valley!!!"
no it doesn't
maybe if you're extremely autistic, which I guess applies to most sci-fi fans
or do you piss your pants when you read an old sci-fi masterpiece because it doesn't use modern tech? will the best sci-fi stories of today automatically become shit in 10 years when the technological landscape changes, huh retard?
the fact that all you care about is getting "muh technological accuracy" right than say, a well-written narrative with interesting scenes and properly developed characters says it all

I want more scifantasy

>>720836447
In fantasy you can add mages, dragons, elves or even old-tech shit with dwarves if you want and even a low level aficionado will get all of it. With sci-fi you are forced to create new races unless you want to portray orcs-but-in-space or something like that. Even if they are good, they will be limited to that game/franchise/ universe and will never reach any other product beyond that one.

>>720850042
40k Orcs are literally just aliens and they still just call them orcs and they act like you'd expect

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>>720836447
But anon, most fantasy games are sci-fi.

>>720836447
Sci fi in vidya is basically fantasy with guns. It sucks. but devs aren't smart enough for real sci fi.

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>>720836447
Gynoids are too intimidating.

>>720836447
>Vulcan wife wants to be pregnant again but in logical way
wat to do?

>>720850784
Kiss her belly twice after having sex with her. Logically, this will make sure she gets pregnant.

>>720836701
this. The biggest sci-fi video game series of all time, Halo, Mass Effect, and Starcraft, are all built around the idea that humanity IS special, humanity WILL triumph over its enemies no matter the cost, and that is a GOOD thing. Modern writers are so blackpilled that most of them don't even believe one of those things are true, let alone all of them

>>720853308
Aren't humans in Starcraft a bunch of dipshit convicts mailed off to the ass end of space by the government until a charismatic scumbag dupes them into crowning him emperor?

>>720853506
yeah, and they rape two different "biologically perfect" genetically engineered alien species into submission

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>>720836447
I think sci-fi requires more thought behind the story and setting than a fantasy game would need. Especially if you want it to be good. People tend to nitpick a bit more with sci-fi settings and story when compared to fantasy. At least that's my take on it. It really is a good question OP.

>>720836447
Author Robert Jordan once said that fantasy is about making people believe in miracles. I think he was right and that makes fantasy more desirable than scifi in general.

>>720836447
It's more complex and people expect more.

Fantasy is close to fairy tales and so has a timeless quality that never grows old and also has broader appeal across ages and sexes. Science fiction tends to appeal more specifically to men and nerds.

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>>720836701
Honestly I think people overestimate how Hopeful the setting is in star trek the amount of just horrible shit out in space makes me never want to go out there ontop of all the shit that can and will invade even earth.
You don't really get to see what civilian life is like and I think people really need to stop believing shit like Holodecks are plentiful in that setting they exist in certain areas it isn't like every home comes with a holoroom.

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>>720841109
you mean DS9

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0Sjv30bCio

Did you guys see that the government talked about UFOs a few days ago?

>>720853551
Didn't the Overmind intentionally throw the war to destroy itself and thus deprive the xel'naga of direct control over the zerg?

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>>720836447
California Class
>Used as the disrespected behind the scenes workhorse of the federation that does the necessary, but unappealing work.
>The entire class was almost moth balled in favor of the Texas class AI controlled ship but the entire California fleet destroyed the Texas class when it went rogue.

Texas Class
>AI ship that is designed to put living life forms out of work and hailed as the future for star fleet.
>Disregards the prime directive for the sake of efficiency
>Like all AI in Star Trek, goes on a killing spree
>Finally gets taken down by the California Class fleet.

I feel like this is an allegory for something

>>720853997
>>720836701
The big issue is things are so shitty right now, we can't imagine humanity ever getting over human nature. Like if replicators became a thing tomorrow and we could achieve post scarcity, which is one of the biggest reasons Roddenberry's Utopia exists, you can bet your ass capitalism would find a way to hoard and control access to all replicators in order to keep their system alive.

>>720842046
Star wars is pulpy and fun

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>>720836698
>>720845074
Seeing that right here >>720846985

>>720848567
Love the fact Janeway's actress still tells Tuvix supporters they can get fucked.

>>720836701
Yeah this is it. It's practically impossible to maintain suspension of disbelief that humanity survived AI, climate and social collapse, microplastics and authoritarianism. Even an overall dystopian near future game like Detroit Become Human seems oddly optimistic now a few years later.

>>720855316
Do you think she asked the opinion of any of the babies she aborted?

>>720836447
Sci-fi is new enough that you have to invent everything yourself because everything else is under copyright, whereas with fantasy you can lazily use whatever stock fantasy races you want.

>>720855598
>/pol/ is pro Tuvix

>>720850042
Yeah but you ca make archetype analogues.
Krogan are orcs.
Asari are elves.
Salarians are just long goblins.
That just Mass Effect.
WH40k has space elves, space dwarfs, robo liches, and orcs with guns.

>>720848151
There are literally hundreds of aliens in Starfield

>>720856238
But enough about racial demographics.

>>720856190
Asari, Turians and Salarians are all different elven stereotypes

>>720839104
If Spock's mom could survive it, so could anon

Sci-Fi is best when it's basically The War of the Roses in space, or Spaghetti Westerns in space. Or Treasure Planet.

Space needs to be wild frontiers, or colossal empires, and in between are little groups hunting mysteries.

>>720836447
This drawing is so retarded and blatantly drawn by a tourist gooner.

>>720856475
Sure, but with their fondness for inventing and hyperactive natures, Salarians are also goblinesque.

Do you see Mordin as an elf? I see him as a goblin who talks more about genetic experiments and venereal diseases than profit and explosives.

>>720853506
Just the koprulu sector humans. The United Earth Directorate was super advanced and capable; just a tiny exploratory fleet forced everyone else in the Koprulu sector to put aside their differences and united just to shut them down.

>>720856607
Scifi needs a theme aside from the setting like any story. Just "the future" isn't enough unless you're doing an Asimov style speculative plot.
>>720856475
Elves were originally just meant to represent what's most noble in people. ME races are just what the writers thought would make decent hyper advanced cultures.

>>720855316
>Congratulating AOC
She's dead to me.

>>720854623
>you can bet your ass capitalism would find a way to hoard and control access to all replicators
>capitalism

>>720856871
Sure. Tall, thin, intelligent, casual advocate for medical genocide. What's more elven than that?

>>720836447
Fantasy is much easier to write. You can just copy Tolkien or forgotten realms without real issue besides coming across as a bit generic

>>720836447
1. We didn't evolve to see the world as it truly is, only as it helps us survive. Sci-fi is based on scientific findings and the theories of respectable scientists, but they're studying the objective world, which is not as sexy as the dreams we have in our heads. That's what fantasy is based on: our intuitions, expectations and desires. Fire, water, earth and air make intuitive sense to a human and there's an artistry to it. Oxygen, carbon, zinc, hydrogen, etc. is what the world is actually made of, but it's ugly and lame. There's like 200 of the fuckers and most of them are invisible. That's no fun. Fantasy gives people what they want.

2. Sci-fi is about the future, which is unknown, so the author has to come up with what it'll be. That author is not a representative of the entire human population, so they'll inevitably come up with all sorts of ugly shit. There will never be a future where people walk around in sterile condom suits like in Star Trek, because it looks stupid. Fantasy has a massive advantage: it takes place in the past and so authors can just look at history. When you add magic on top of it, it means people don't have to adhere to logic to make whatever they want to wear practical, so you can walk around half naked or in robes.

3. This is according to fans themselves, so don't blame me if I'm wrong, but sci-fi tends to be about politics or global affairs, not personal story arcs. This is becoming less and less appealing for reasons you can probably guess. Everyone loves a personal story, but an author pounding you on the head about how you're a bad person for your political beliefs is not going to go over so well, especially when they themselves probably don't know what the fuck they're talking about.

>>720857793
>Forgetting Roddenberry wanted capitalism to be one of the biggest threats in TNG with the Ferengi, but due to how poorly they were introduced in The Last Outpost, that had to be dropped.

>>720854623
Capitalism is just a free market with property rights. Free markets are proven by the data to be the best economic system and everyone believes in property rights (unless they're homeless, and if that's the case, there's a good reason for it). I don't know why you kids look at the best civilizations to ever exist, look at what they're doing, then look at shitty countries, see what they're doing, and think, "Oh yeah, their ideas are way better!" No, they very obviously aren't.

>>720859194
If the free market is so good, why is our income inequality almost on par with that of monarchies of the 18th century?
>My perfect form of free market has not be tried
The horse shoe wins again

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Why is he so lucky bros

>>720854623
Consider that we literally have the non-physical equivalent for replicators with AI and people are convinced it's the worst thing imaginable.

>>720836447
I feel like there's way more SCI-FI games than fantasy nowadays.

>>720836447
Normalfags hate sci-fi. Just look at Starfield, if that game was fantasy, all of its sloppery would've been forgiven

>>720859194
>Free markets are proven by the data to be the best economic system
Are free markets in the room with us right now? A market with anti-monopoly laws, tariffs and sanctions is not a free market. Free market is when the government stays the fuck out of it

>>720859453
>Actually thinking E=mc2 + AI is even remotely on par with being able to creates tangible and usable goods out of almost nothing.
LOL

>>720856190
And those analogues will stay only in mass effect or wh40 respectively.

>>720859562
It's more that people find space fucking boring. Because of course it is. It's literally a whole load of nothing. And most games that try to capture the ambitions of a vast explorable universe invariably fall for the procgen meme in order to make the scope feasible. That's how you get the No Man's Sky's an Starfields of the world.

People like sci-fi if it tries to avoid that pitfall.

>>720859740
Pretty sure he's not actually thinking that because he said "the non-physical equivalent"

>>720836447
Fantasy is escapism, sci fi is aspirational but ultimately reality.
People loved sci fi in the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s because they were prosperous, and future looked amazing.
No one wants to think about how bad the future is going to be so they don't buy or watch sci fi.

>>720843674
Isn't retrofuturism popular at this very moment? Your picture may not be the future we got, but it's the future we wanted.

>>720836447
There is some strange lack of imagination.

Even Starfield is just 20th century automatic weapons in space. Stellaris is just a better rehash of old ideas. Starsector is just 100% humans in space. There are no new ideas. No Man's Sky at least had some planet sets that were aesthetically interesting and weird. But everything else has been just same old same old. It is space, it can be anything you can imagine. Turns out no one can imagine anything.

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>>720860334
Nah.

>>720859453
Could have just pointed to the existence of IP law and avoided a retard replying to you (myself excluded).

>>720836698
Trekkies are insufferable losers that make discussing sci fi impossible
>you cant interfere with developing worlds it always ends poorly
>dont give alien niggas nukes
>keep a firm hand on where they develop
>either they are so dumb theyll worship you as a god or they are smart enough to understand why
>aliens have their own space ships
>human ships have to have diverse crews
>cant have god like powers always give it up humans arent meant for that
Trekkies are a blight

>>720860114
It only proves the point about capitalism being shitty long term since people are using AI to create either slop or corporations are using it to cut out their human work force to make more profit while everyone else is stuck being in poverty.

Plus it's only a matter of time before some creates Skynet.

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>>720836447
suzi?

>>720860486
Every hero shooter fails, though.

>>720859740
If I told you a decade or so ago that it would be possible to just generate professional looking artwork at the press of the button it would sound like magic.

Yeah obviously being able to actually generate something tangible would be on a whole other level but if there's one thing advancements in technology has shown is how much "this thing can do the work for you" becomes its own form of hell.

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>>720836447
How come greys aren't the sci-fi shortstack the same way gobs are for fantasy?

>>720860623
Star Trek isn't science fiction it's liberalism mythologized.

>>720860801
They are but they're blue and green.

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>no Cardassian gf

>>720860752
And that's worthless because it's used to keep everyone but the elites impoverish.

>>720854384
AI made by a black guy goes rogue
AI is used by mexican to replace human jobs
AI goes insane and has to be destroyed

Meanwhile
AI made by whites become incredibly useful
AI with white captains do a job that no one else can but dont replace anyone
AI stays sane and never harms anyone who doesnt deserve it

Yeah its an allegory

>>720860975
I've seen less green and blue shortstacks than greys and thats saying something

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name one vidya protag who could beat them

>>720861220
>White scientist creates AI who kills their entire colony
>White scientist tries to kill AI race that only kill in self defense
>'white' made AI is made by aliens
Really makes you think.

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>>720861954
take your pick

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>>720848567
>Q is a footgod
Based, and proof that the fetish is for enlightened beings only.

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>>720854095
I started watching DS9 this year
some of the consistently best trek imo

>>720836698
What sci fi fans really want isn't realism, but internal consistency.

>>720861062
Why do this cat give Riker vibes?

>>720856589
Spock was a test tube baby

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>>720863026
if it was truly giving Riker vibes it would be fat

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You STOfags did get the Voth Stronghold Miracle Worker Dreadnought Cruiser [T6], right?

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>it's a Lwaxana episode
ABSOLUTE KINO ALERT

>>720862887
>most episodes were just relationship drama
>or "RACISM BAD"
>or Bajoran bullshit that's just plain boring
Even Voyager is better than DS9, DS9 is Star Trek for people that don't like Star Trek.

>>720863441
>guest starring Jeffrey Combs
the sign that you're in for a good episode

Because fantasy is way more aesthetic and spiritual, and unga bunga weapons + gods 'n' magic are more appealing on an emotional level.

What could a truly current hard SF epic be now? My AIs are smarter than yours, you get droned first? You need to fix it up a bit with impossible gengineering/modifications and other such tech as well as alien black boxes, which is fine by me.

>>720863529
Wrong opinion

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>has had at least 3 human wives over a Vulcan lifespan

>>720847956
Whats wrong with slapping elves, dwarves, goblins, dragons, vampires, etc into spaceships and going from there?

>>720842046
I don't remember what the complaints were at the time other than not having Seven's real actress. I love Elite Force.

>>720862705
Teal'c?

>>720836447
Since adventure is about the journey, it's easier to fill in gaps in a terrestrial setting than when you're in a vehicle. When you're in a vehicle, it's logically a lot harder to interrupt you, plus ship encounters are bound to be unsatisfying unless the gameplay is heavily focused around that.
Take a road ambush for example. In a typical fantasy setting, you either stop walking or jump out of a wagon to do battle. In a space setting, you're doing ship-to-ship combat. Space is ironically, more limiting gameplay-wise.

>>720863753
It is illogical to take a wife who is infertile.

>>720863753
>human female
>3 of them
sounds like torture, no wonder he went insane

>>720863753
>Spock, that human pussy has me actin I L L O G I C A L

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>>720847956
>For Sci-fi you got what? Like whens the last time you played a scifi game with greys or reptillians? They all feel the need to make new kinds of aliens.
STO

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>flying around space being cozy
>haha oops you accidently flew through a space cloud and now are a a man spider freak

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>>720863552
Allowing Combs to go full ham as a evil computer was the best thing ever.

>>720863848
>>720836447
Also scifi is much less tactile than fantasy.
The entire setting revolves around being encased in a plastic shell 24/7 or you instantly die, and everything happens mostly outside the range of human perceptions.
That's the appeal of mecha actually, if you project he robot suit as the character you can now have them meaningfully interact with the world directly.

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>>720861062
>>720862705

>>720864194
That's just how it is in this bitch of a universe.

>>720863441
Absolute skip alert. Unless it's an episode where she is harassing Picard 24/7. Then it's almost watchable. The ones where it's not like that are like Phantom Menace tier.

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>>720864443
t.

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>>720864194
TNG episode rotations be like
>comfy
>comfy
> B̶̥̯̌o̶̜̭͆d̶̨͉̔̄̀́́́ŷ̶͇̘̭͔́ ̴̦̻̥̈́̎͒̆͐ͅh̴̦̩̺̺̆͠ó̸͕͖͍͒ŗ̷̤̃̓̍̑̑r̶̥͍̞͚̉̈ǫ̶̯͋̏̄r̵͎̀̓̐͘͘ ̵̛͉̘̰͉̊̂e̴̢̫͈͈̎̍̂͝͝ͅp̷̡̯̈́̈́͝i̷̬̖͈̒̏̚s̷͇͎͎̝̉ò̵͉̙̜̭̱d̸̗͝ȅ̶̹͓̮̜
>comfy
>comfy

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The twenty first century seems to be mainly identified by dissatisfaction with what is in spite of an abundance, even in third world nations things have never been materially better than they are now. In spite of this, it feels like all of these novelties and creature comforts are nothing but bread and circus. Yes, you can overload your dopamine receptors to the point of numbness by eating a mcslopper and watching a tiktok reel for half an hour, but no one can afford to do shit like start a family. Even those who can are often too demoralizes by the media to even attempt to care.

My biggest pain in all of this is that it will,and has affected even the escapist media. The only ones putting out good stuff rn are people from a generation past and all of the new authors are genuinely incapable of capturing the ideal fantasy or creating a message of curiosity and hope. All of the great masters of old will soon die out, and we'll be left with nothing but people who write stories based on the idea of a story

sex with Tasha Yar

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>had enough sense to make a reunion
>just as a giant fuck you to St*r Wars

>>720864664
damn Jordie looking good

>>720864664
What episode did Beverly get assimilated by the BOG?

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>>720864631
uh-oh the tasha yar program appears to have been corrupted

>>720864664
i'd make a pass at deanna if she was at the bar

>>720864793
So did they all record their own eulogies beforehand? Because I would love to see Worf’s hologram talking about honor and battle for 45 minutes.

>>720864631
>Create awfully written girl boss character
>kill her off gruesomely towards the end of the first season so we don't have to deal with her anymore
TNG accidentally being based and redpilled episode 9064.

>>720864992
>Riker's is 3 hours long and tanks all the girls he fucked, Dennis Reynolds style

>>720865040
They killed her because her actress quit because her character was so boring. It did a nice job of making you believe that anyone could die at any time and there was no magic reset button.

>talk about TNG with friends
>they all complain about de Lancie and q character
what the fuck? people find him annoying? I thought he was highlight of every episode he appeared in

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>>720865306
>rehire her
>get a permanent gag with STO because she love the job that much
>her new role was a rape baby of the previous role she plays
>she become responsible for the death trillions upon trillions of being due to her arrogant

>>720865520
>lived on the only planet that was infested with rapegangs
Tasha Yar did not get the best treatment characterwise

>>720836447
>How come sci-fi gets less games than standard fantasy?
Because fantasy has well established tropes, and everything fantastic can just be explained as magic, whereas sc-ifi expects actual explanations for shit and more creativity in setting.

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>>720847956
>Because you need to come up with aliens in sci-fi
>implying

>>720836447
because most of what people consider sci fi is actually just fantasy.
the greater genre they are apart of is speculative fiction, as in, what would life/the world/etc be like if X was different/the case.
fantasy is what if it took place in a fantastical world with its own rules, sci fi is what if this one piece of technology was different/discovered, if you don't actually explain why that technology works or what it is, and why it has the greater impact on the world that it does, then it isn't sci fi. sci fi HAS to be about the technological changes, they need to be central to it and any character stories around need to be relating to that technological change or development.
if they aren't, then it isn't sci fi, being in space or w/e isn't sci fi, if it isn't about the technology, its not sci fi, its fantasy, a futuristic aesthetic doesn't make for sci fi, it just means its fantasy.
sci fi isn't a subgenre of fantasy, its a completely different genre, people misunderstanding the futuristic setting as sci fi is why there are problems, they are both types of speculative fiction.
and if you don't want actual sci fi, and you just want future aesthetic fantasy, or science fantasy, then you are looking for a small sub genre in a subgenre.

>>720863753
No his first wife was a Vulan

>>720866096
Not him but the thing I do not like about LogH is A: 100s of people can just die if you're in the wrong space ship and I do not like Reinhard and his friends are like I'M BORED, LET HAVE THOUSANDS OF MORE DEATH FOR OUT AMUSEMENT! Terrist/Iserlohn Republic as an excuse

>>720864194
Terrible episode, but I laughed hard when Worf spat acid in Beverly's face.

>>720853997
me after all the mexican food the past few days

>>720836701
To be fair, Star Trek basically has world war 3 happen before anything can get fixed.

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>>720866891
>Not him but the thing I do not like about LogH is A: 100s of people can just die if you're in the wrong space ship
After going through the wiki I've found one reason for why the numbers are so retarded when it comes to the battles themselves. These stats were pulled from the complementary manuals translated over from nipponese prior to the wiki itself getting shut down:
>Battleship crew: Empire = 726 - Alliance = 660
>Fast attack battleship crew: Empire = 745
>Carrier crew: Empire = 1879 - Alliance = 1082
>Cruiser crew: Empire = 670 - Alliance = 393
>Destroyer crew: Empire = 16 - Alliance = 164
When you consider that most fleets on either side run mixed compositions up into the 10k mark the numbers start to add up. And this doesn't include logistics and the ground skirmishes that inevitably break out on the frontier or during the OVA episodes like in Spiral Labyrinth. Every single one of these vessels isn't just staffed by combat crew but support like cooks, menials, secretaries, jannies, doctors, etc. Even worse for the FPA because they have both sexes taking part in the battles so everyone is getting spaced regardless.

>>720853308
Just have a sci fi game with no Humans and only aliens, easy

>>720868196
>isn't just staffed by combat crew but support like cooks, menials, secretaries, jannies, doctors,
Don't for get kids working as deliver boys and how many of the youth just dies out because Not!Hillary Clinton was thinking about the election before they decided to invade the Imperial. So many death to soldiers and non-combatants. You could go to college because you want to be a doctor but you get drafting to a space ship and dies because the commander of that ship would rather just charge forward into Thor Hammer. This is easily the one thing I didn't like about that anime.

>>720857940
Why is her hair blue

>>720836447
most sci-fi now is dystopian, we don't want to be reminded how shit things are

>>720836447
Standard fantasy is a shared mythology you want to participate in.
Sci fi is speculative what if fiction.
Fantasy is great because you know what to expect and play the hero in a heroic story.
It lends itself to Video games. Fantasy literature however is ofthen uninspired and trite or needlessly trying to deny its own genre like GoT.
On the flipside sci fi lends itself to exploring strange and fascinating what if scenarios, from bladerunner to Star Trek, blindsight and asimovs works.
This makes sci fi a great target for literature and film.
However in more open scenarios it ofthen fails to deliver on that. See Starfield.
You will see that those sci fi games that do get made are more in the vein of fantasy:
Participating in a universe of shared assumptions, spaceship fighting and alien shooting. Not about first contact scenarios, AGI or future human civilization

>>720836447
Advanced tech prevents most plots

>>720847956
Both fantasy and sci fi has been hit with a wave of „humans only because it’s realistic „
Only fantasy killed it with GoT and nu DnD brought fantasy races back.
Sci-Fi is still trying to be „respectable „ so a lot of new sci fi cuts back on aliens and more „cool“ elements to appear sophisticated

Types of Scifi settings:
Modern with some higher Tech:
Call of Duty
Final Fantasy VII
A fuckload of "fantasy series"

Advanced Terra
Cyberpunk Edgerunners

Post Apocalypse Terra
Fallout

Early Interplanetary
Gundam

Low Interstellar
Honkai Starrail
Starfield

High Interstellar
Star Wars
Star Trek
Mass Effect
Halo

Intergalactic
No Mans Sky

Digital Space:
Sword Art Online

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Lower Decks was fine

>>720836447
let me guess.. porn art

>>720846985
Second party overflows with expression and character, I can tell who these people are and how they get about in their world. First pic is mostly just sultry faced humans with swords and robes. You clamor for surface level archetypes because you fear the level of introspection and expression that would go into making a unique conscious being. New is good sometimes faggot.

>>720859194
I don't think capitalism is even really a useful word since it's used so many different ways an while I'm sure most people like property rights they also want there to be limits

>>720870494
Unironically this but also I still don't like traditional fantasy.

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>>720864443
How about getting your neck snapped by the thighs of a spec op Betazoid?

>>720859434
>loses the baby named after his deceased sister
>dies in the very next episode
what the fuck, why did Trip have to suffer?

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>>720870641
>Reddit decks
pls go

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>>720870641
>a women but even more fucking insane
Nah, I'll take a Vulcan GF.

>>720842005
>schizo

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>>720870961
They had the balls to bring back Nick Locarno, your opinion is discarded.

>>720836447
It doesn't. Fantasy only is more popular in various cRPGs, since scifi, let alone a space opera barely exists there.

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>>720836447
I personally never liked sci-fi and thus my conclusion is that because I don't like it, nobody else does