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Is dark souls 2 still the worst souls game?
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DeS > BB > DaS > DS2 > ER > DS3
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>mad because the ps3 and xbox 3shitty couldn't run the game
kek, they barely ran Dark Souls 1.
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>>720863543
did the bottom ever come out?
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>>720863543
DaS2 > DaS3 > ER > BB = DaS1 > DeS
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>>720863654
DS2 ran way better than DS1 did on my ps3 which isn't saying much because dark souls was constantly hovering around the 20fps range when it launched. Never played it again until the pc release so I have no clue if it was ever improved with patches.
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>>720863543
That would be Demon's souls.
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>>720863695
Nah the guy quit after lighting engine came out. Shame, his work looked good, but he also had issues with mental health.
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>>720863654
>>mad because the ps3 and xbox 3shitty couldn't run the game
That was the least of that games problems lol
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>>720864029
People are still malding about the downgrade despite the original game running at sub-20 FPS on consoles.
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DS1 > ER > DS3 > BB > DS2 > DeS
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>>720863543
Soul vs no soul
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>>720863653
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>>720863783
DaS2 < DaS3 < ER < BB = DaS1 < DeS
ftfy
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>>720863543
IMO yes. Although it has high points like Majula.
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>>720863931
>mental health.
and the sperglords fucking with him, I think he joined F4NV and Skyblivion
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Sekiro > ER > BB > DS1 = DS2 > DS3 = DeS
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>>720863543
Dark Souls 2 Remastered looking like that.
I would be so happy.

Yes. It's my favorite in the series.
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Dark Souls 2 was the only time I made one of these memes. That's how much I loved this game.
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>>720863543
graphics/lighting are the least of 2's problems
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>>720869636
Its biggest problem are its haters.
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>>720869573
God how I miss power stance.
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DeS > DS1 = DS2 >>>>>>> DS3 >> ER
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>>720870561
This. If you like ER, I hope you're ready to be in ER.
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I like ER.
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I'd be open to a Dark Souls Trilogy full remaster, but by someone competent (preferably in house but Fromsoft would never do it).
Don't port it all to UE5. Just do what the modders have done already. Fix the lighting. Fix the stuttering/framerate issues. Fix the resolution.
My absolute wishlist would be Fromsoft themselves doing a remake of DS1, but taking the time to implement all the cut content they didn't get to originally, mainly expanding the second half of the game. And it would be neat to introduce a seed/randomiser for a few things to keep it fresh for veteran players. Every NG+ up to 6/7 has it's own custom enemy and item placement designed to keep the challenge up beyond just making enemies hit harder.
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>>720863543
DS1 >= BB = DS2 = DeS > ER > DS3
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>>720863543
It's worse than ER, but I still enjoy it a shit ton more than ER
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>>720863543
in fact its the best

i would consider elden ring the worst

its the mario kart world of souls games
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Bloodborne > Dark Souls 1 > Demon's Souls >>> Elden Ring > Dark Souls 2 >= Dark Souls 3
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>>720872263
I think ER is honestly fucking outstanding, right up until just after Liurnia. Everything prior to that is a great action-adventure game. After that, for me at least, it outstayed its welcome and got old pretty fast. There were snippets of greatness scattered throughout the rest of the game, but nothing as cohesive as those first 8-12 hours.
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>>720863543
ds3 exists so no
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>>720863695
Don't listen to the other two retards. Stayd still streams his development on twitch. He's recently been touching on shader noise passing and armour textures though he's currently moving his workspace to a linux installation since a week or so ago so that's his main focus
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When is this MOD coming out?
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I think ER SUCKS.
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Why do people say the second half of Dark Souls is bad? I thought Seth's library is the best area in the game.
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DeS = DS1 = DS2 = DS3 = BB = Sekiro = Elden Ring

it's all fromslop therefore it's all equally garbage
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How it feels to play Dark Souls 3 nowadays that the game is dead and you can't summon anyone to help you
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>>720868248
Sekiro isn't even in the same genre according to Fromsoft themselves
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>>720863543
its dogshit but it had some neat ideas.
for example i recall playing 3 and being disappointed I couldn't infuse staves anymore.
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>>720863543
Kind of.
It has better level design than DS3 and better PVP than any of the other souls games. It also has some of the worst mechanics and enemy placement of any of the games.
I finally forced myself to play through to the end and I do understand ehat they were going for, I enjoyed like 70% of the game, but unlike Ds1 which stays consistantly 8/10 the whole time and ds3 which stays consistantly 6/10 the whole time ds2 alternates wildly between 9/10 and 3/10. It feels like two completely different games shoved together at the last second, lots of good ideas but no coherence in how they combine. It's extremely frustrating because it's not so irredeemably shit to simply write off but when you hit a shit section it's absolute dogshit.
DS2 is like driving from Chicago to some beautiful mountain cabin in the woods of the PNW for the best sex on earth, it starts boring, becomes horrible going through iowa and nebraska, vaguely interesting through wyoming, you spend a day in yellowstone and grand teton having a wonderful time, then more worthless bullshit through idaho with brief flashes of fun at craters of the moon, more dogshit through eastern oregon, the columbua gorge seems like it'll be fun but you're so burnt out from the bullshit you just want to be done with the trip, then you get to the cabin and have the best fuck ever but she asks you to drive her back to chicago to fuck at your place and you realize it's just not worth it and go play DS1 again instead.
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>>720876668
Bro i only have 7 INT. You can't possibly expect me to read that.
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>>720863543
obviously
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>>720875605
It's not bad so much as unfinished. Same issue DeS had - they ran out of time/money. In DeS this is especially egregious as they just have back to back bosses with no level in between.
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>>720877309
And pelolpld don't think the same about ER? You literally beat the game and none of what you did matters. No changes whatsoever to the world map even if you pick an ending that restores the tree.
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>>720863543
I don't get why it keeps getting pushed as the worst since it's actually the best IMO. And even more when DaS3 exists and it wasn't even finished. I don't know how can anyone compare experiences and say something like that.

DaS1 and 2 are haunting, DaS3 is an asset flip, and then there's Elden Ring, that is more akin to DaS2 and that's a good thing.
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>>720863543
Yes.
DS3 is also bad because it every fucking boss just zanzibarts and has a shitty second phase.

DaS/DS1 are the only souls games that don't treat you like a dribbling monkey who can only get hard for the EXACT. SAME. FUCKING. PHASE. GIMMICK. every single time.
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>>720864198
Maybe don't proclaim during development that the PC release will be the base version that all the others will be downgraded from or that you're not done with those last gen consoles that supposedly still had "untapped potential" in your eyes.
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>>720876668
>but unlike Ds1 which stays consistantly 8/10 the whole time
tbf ds1 falls off after lordvessel. I’d say they’re cut from the same cloth. nice analogy tho anon
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>>720878136
>>720864198
Consoles held back so many games back then, and consoles still hold back games today.
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>>720863543
Yes, by far. It's actual trash. If you asked a random chink or pajeet studio to make a knockoff it would probably still end up better than what the B team shat out.
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>>720863543
I used to think DeS and Dark Souls 1 were my favourites. But Bloodborne might dethrone them, I only recently started my play through and it's just a basic strength skill hybrid build that will work with the weapons like the saw cleaver. I just think the map design and atmosphere are pretty well done, maybe cut above the rest I've played. I have no idea where to place 2. I still never FULLY completed DS3 (mainly DLC stuff) and I haven't finished Sekiro or anything like that. More catching up to do on my part. I think I was just getting fatigue already by that point. Maybe it's the fatigue of dying a lot or maybe it's that I wasn't having fun while doing so. I've put myself through torture in different gaming scenarios. But Sekiro just got on my nerves by a specific point.
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>>720878158
> dude second half
You never played the game. Tomb of the giants and New Londo are great areas, dukes archives is average, and lost izilith is shit but very easy to rush and cheese.
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>>720863654
>>720863882
How come DS1 lagged so much on the PS3 when it ran games like GoW3 just fine?
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>>720878293
Not anymore. Nowadays AAA games are designed for the beefiest mightiest PCs. Consoles get saddled with medium graphics settings.

Gameplay-wise consoles have never held games back other than having to ensure the game could be played well on a controller.
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>>720863543
My honest opinion is that Elden Ring is the worst Souls game.
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>>720883183
Games are not really designed for anything anymore. They just use the same game engine, and hope it runs on every platform, if not drop settings. Unironically nintendo is only platform that still has some sort of performance baseline.
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>>720883116
DS1 didn't use any SPUs on PS3 iirc and neither did demons souls.
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>>720872406
>I think ER is honestly fucking outstanding, right up until just after Liurnia.
precisely where my interest wanes as well. the ascent to altus is still fun and then it's a steady decline. the first few hours of assembling your build and exploring liurnia+limgrave+early underground is excellent, even in subsequent playthroughs.
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>>720863543
Yep, I still love though.
Does anyone remember the mod that came out recently that tries to rebalance SOTFS?
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>>720863653
You are retarded.
ER > BB > DS3 > power gap > DS1 > DeS > your shit vidya taste > DS2
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>>720886931
What's there to rebalance?
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Daily reminder that over half the people in these threads have never played a single From game and (You) are looking at fake rankings and fake opinions
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>>720863543
DS2 and 3 are trash filler releases that aren't even worth playing. I understand playing them at release before we knew what they were really like (I did this) but idk why anyone would bother with them today. They are both really fucked up with glaring issues that remove all the fun from the combat.
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>>720863543
Now let's compare!
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>>720887025
https://gamerant.com/dark-souls-2-bearer-of-the-curse-edition-mod-adp-iframes-estus-improved/

I found it, you can check a look for yourself.
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>>720863543

It is, but being the worst Dark Souls game doesn't make it bad.
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>>720887214
Ah that one, it's shit changes by someone who just doesn't like or get DaS2
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>>720875934
They’re right, it isn’t.
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I have DS2 praise fatigue
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>>720863543
So this never got finished right ?
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all wrong

DS1 = DeS > BB = Sekiro >>>>> rest of the games

ds2 is a chink tier knock off game that needs no further discussing
ds3 is the overcorrection after ds2 fell flat, it's a soulless copy of ds1
elden ring is the bloated corpse of the souls formula dying by open world
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DaS > DaS 2 > DaS3 > Scholar
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DeS
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BB
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ER

Tier list is broken out because DeS/BB/ER aren't really Dark Souls. I would really like a spiritual sequel to Demon's Souls rather than the spiritual successor we got. There's some flashes of DeS in Bloodborne but there's some pretty obvious differences that preclude it from being a sequel.
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ds3 is awful, i have no clue how it became so many people's favorite
everything has that shiny shader applied to it that makes the entire world look slimy
from completely gave up on slow, methodical combat of previous entries and made it into worse bloodborne with no rally, no sidehopping while locked on
shit sux
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DS2>DS1>DS3=ER>DeS>BB>Sekiro
tongue my anus, niggers
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>>720888165
The bosses in DaS3 are enough for me to make it the second best game in the series. DaS2 is the best simply because it has the best replayability, it's non linear but not open world like ER where everything's chore. It has the coolest areas and the game plays more RPG than action compared to the rest, it's like a child made between Demon Souls and Kings Field. DaS1 was cool the first time, but thinking about replaying it alone makes me want to puke.
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>>720888165
>gave up on slow, methodical combat
Probably for that reason. Feels less clunky to play.
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I have Dark Souls 2 hate fatigue.
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>>720881149
New londo isn't a second half area, stupid fucking tourist. You're the one that didn't actually play it. I hate retards like you so fucking goddamn much. Shit up somewhere else, shitstain.
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>>720863543
Yes but people aren't ready for this
It's the worst souls game but still mogs many other games.
It is FULL of SOVL but it's just kinda janky and shitty.

It's a bit of a shame because ostensibly I like what it was doing with the lore
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>>720889579
>It's the worst souls game
nah thats ds3
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>>720883224
>a-am I cool now? I said the thing that won't upset these Dark Souls 2 chads
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>>720881149
He's right though, it goes from great areas to "alright". Only Lost Izalith was outright bad, but none of the others are at Burg/Anor Londo/etc level.
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>>720889731
Disagree. DS3 isn't amazing but it is better than DS2, mechanically speaking, and has some great spectacles. It's quite messy though.
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>>720889925
Lost Izalith was bad but the shit truth no one tells you is that every single fucking game after Dark Souls had an area just as bad or worse.
Dark Souls 3 had the Farron Keep, Bloodborne had chalice dungeons, Elden Ring had those fucking rot swamps and Dark Souls 2 had the entire game.
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>>720863543
good pve games are extremely rare, which is why dark souls 2 is the best game from software ever released. so whenever i read miyazaki is in charge of a fromsoft game, i'll know it'll be mediocre.

a good pvp game can give you endless joy. a good pve game gives you one playthrough. and unless you're some autistic retard that likes to 'roleplay' while knowing exactly what is coming, you won't be interested in ng+'s.
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I got filtered very badly by the twin princes. It's the one boss that made me realize I'm not made for this.
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My weapofu is the Butchering Knife. I beat the first Dark Souls with it. They made it ugly as shit in Elden Ring but golden land is crazy good with it.
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just started up DaS2 after 1 and 3. what the FUCK did they do to the movement? it feels weird to just walk around in this game compared to every other entry
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>>720890101
Yeah I agree. BB had the fewest, chalice dungeons were shit but weren't necessary for any of the endings. I also thought Bergenworth and Nightmare Frontier were pretty awful. At least Bergenworth was tiny.
DS3 had Farron Keep, the Profaned Capital, the dark version of Firelink, the Sunken area before Ocerois or whatever his name was, shitty maggot and crowknight area in dlc1 and the Dark Souls 2 windmill area in dlc2.
I can't remember good areas from DS2. ER had great "legacy dungeons" but most of the regular games open world was bad and the entirety of the DLCs open world was trash.

I'd definitely sprint through a couple mins of dragon asses than do any of the mentioned areas again
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>>720890578
PC version is wonky now for some reason, you can find the fix on pcgamingwiki
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>>720890671
thank you, I was straight up considering uninstalling it
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>>720890814
That consideration will come up multiple times again later on.
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>>720863543
Yes
ER was really close, even more so with the DLC
But DS2 is still the king of fucking dogshit
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>>720875924
God I wish that were me
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>>720863543
>top: ground littered with dead leaves and fallen branches which fit with the decaying forest vibe
>bottom: DUDE WHAT IF GRASS AND BRIGHT FLOWERS
does the modder have no concept of aesthetics?
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I have Dark Souls 2 contrarian defenders fatigue
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>>720863653
ER = BB > DeS (og) > DaS3 > DaS > DeS Remake >>>>>>>>> Power Gap >>>>>>>> DaS2
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>>720896504
>DS2
>aesthetics
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>>720863543
Yes, dark souls 1 should have never gotten sequels.
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What piss me of about the downgrade is that in reveal you HAD TO use torch in some areas otherwise you couldn't see a thing unlike in release where you basically don't need them
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>>720896882
Weak bait. You can clearly tell what kind of vibe the devs were going for in OP's pic and bottom wasn't it
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I like the areas in 2 more than 3
I'd replay it if there was some good graphical overhaul mod
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>>720863653
I played demons souls recently and it was honestly kinda shit
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>>720889320
You can't even do the bottom half of it without the lord vessel to drain the water. The only reason to go there pre O&S is to get uncursed for free.
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>>720897029
>You can clearly tell what kind of vibe the devs were going for
They actually failed spectacularly, given that this was the concept art:
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>>720869573
So you made a shitty Pavlovian jack meme about a shitty game? I think you should reconsider your life's priorities.
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I just finished (nearly) DS2 vanilla for the first time this week. I’ve done all the DLC except for the Ivory King. I think it’s pretty kino - the world design, while not as good as DS1, is still compelling. Majula is the best hub area in the series. The enemy and boss designs are really inspired.
There’s a ton of bullshit though, so many hidden areas and getting to the DLC is incredibly convoluted. The little statues that spit out poison can get fucked. I liked the Pharros Lockstones though. Overall would probably put it after DS1 in my rankings. It’s wild how much the series changed between DS2 and Elden Ring, feels like we’ll never get the slow, creepy world building like the earlier games had.
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>>720897165
You can also kill Ingward to get the key without the vessel.
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>>720897312
DS2 feels too slow to me, likely due to them tying roll speed to a stat. ER on the other hand is just way too fast, way too much anime flipping bullshit.
DS1 and DeS had the best paced combat and exploration, but then bloodborne happened and DS3/ER copied it for whatever reason.
That one youtuber that said combat shouldn't be the focus of souls game was right, it should be the exploration and adventure that takes priority.
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>>720897409
I have collectively 300+ hours over the original, pc port, and pc remaster, and did not know this. It is wild how DS1 just lets you kill everybody if you want. While all the sequels pussy out of it, either with ghosts, or just straight making important characters invincible.
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>>720887020
>You are retarded
>ER at the top
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>>720863543
soul

vs

artificial soul
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>>720883468
>drop settings.
this doesn't even work anymore
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DS2 is objectively the shittiest souls game, but not for the reasons redditors came here to shit on.

The bad:
>extremely slow """methodical""" gameplay that results in you waiting for a full bar of stamina for 5 seconds every time you do an action
>the world design with a shit ton of cut content that leads to shit like a volcano sitting on top of a tower in a field
>soul memory fucking shit up
>roll i-frames tied to a stat
>utterly castrated end product compared to initial showcase due to PS3 being shit
>easy difficulty due to infinite healing with lifegems
That's it. It's the core of the issues.

The good:
>the atmosphere
>the DLC level design
>the challenging redesign of SOFTS
>actual boss runbacks
>multiplayer being always active - you can always be invaded even if you're hollow
>even if you go offline SOFTS added Forlorn and a bunch more npc invaders to fuck you
>the Agape ring which allows you control over your SM at the price of increased difficulty, pushing you to play creatively and to use your resources strategically for a great reward of getting to pwn anyone who just gobbles souls instead of spending just the right amount on what you need, the perfect knowledge check: the game
>it pushes the shit back into any casual

Elden ring is ultra easy.
Shadow of the Erdtree bring the challenge back and this is why casuals shit on it, just like they were shitting on the mountaintops of the giants - they were getting their shit pushed in.
The same casuals now shit on silksong.
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>>720864297
not just that, the fog in the top is more realistic.
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>>720887118
This is insane to me
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>>720897109
It is shit, the only people that praise it today are contrarians. A mage build with the starter spell destroys the entire game
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>>720863543
*best souls game
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>>720863543
DaS2:SOTFS is the last true Dark Souls game with slow and methodical combat.

Sekiro > Bloodborne > DaS2:SOTFS > DaS:PTDE > DeS (2009) > DaS3 > Nightreign > Dogshit >>> Elden Ring.
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>>720871918
DaS1 and DaS2 need full remakes, only DaS3 would be good to get a remaster to enhance the graphics and some slight balance on the systems
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DaS3 > ER > Sekiro >>>>> Abysmal gap > DaS1 > DaS2

All others retards are wrong
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>>720883116
The engine souls game uses is the most incompetently written piece of software in the last 30 years.
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>>720871918
>>720900428
Already happening in 2026, Project FMC.
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>>720890115
12:50, press return
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Every subsequent souls game had less atmosphere and the sense of wonder and discovery.
By DS3 they were pretty much gone, and I can't imagine a person that plays these games for the gameplay.
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>>720863543
elden ring
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>>720863543
>Is dark souls 2 still the worst souls game?
Yeah, but it's still a masterpiece. Flawed masterpiece but still.
You either appreciate what it tried to do differently from DS1 and can overlook some of the serious jank, or you think it made a mistake in going the direction it went and view DS3 as a return to form

Majula being the best hub does a lot of heavy lifting in peoples nostalgia
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BB glazing is insane, i'm convinced that 99% of people who put it near the top on their list have never played it
The base game:
>3 weapons
>5 boss fights
>4 areas 2 of which are optional
>>720900708
this but reversed and with sekiro removed
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>>720899008
This
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>>720901641
ER brought back some atmosphere, but the gameplay has also gotten worse every game, and ER did not buck that trend.
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>>720863653
fpbp, /thread
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>>720863653
>>720898120
Elden Ring is the best game in the series because it is the only one with an actual jump button.
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>>720863653
As always fpbp
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It never was.
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>>720863931
>Nah the guy quit after lighting engine came out
What a waste man.
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>>720877657
There is nothing in Elden Ring that is as obviously unfinished as Lost Izalith.
There are underwhelming areas, like the Lake of Rot or the Consecrated Snowfields, but overall the game map was at least fully finished and furnished before release. Even if some character quests weren't.
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>>720890604
Open worlds are good.
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2 was the most ambitious Dark Souls.
It still has the best NG+, such a shame fromsoft are too lazy to iterate and improve further on it, instead they regressed.
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>>720901848
base game, sure
but with Old Hunters it becomes a 9/10
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>>720897312
You should play Scholar bro.
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>>720890101
Chalice Dungeons are meant to be RNG timesinks, they were never intended to be major story elements.
The Swamp of Aeonia is good, the Lake of Rot is too empty, but it isn't as bad as 10 dragon asses in a row. ER's catacombs fill a similar role to Bloodborne's chalice dungeons, you don't need to do any of them, and they're just side content for people that wanted more of the game at the end.
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>>720863653
I beat Bloodborne once and thought it was incredibly overrated. Demon’s Souls is good but I’d probably put it at #2 after DS1. I agree with the rest of your order.
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>>720902684
>Chalice Dungeons are meant to be RNG timesinks, they were never intended to be major story elements.
half of the lore is hidden behind the intended chalice dungeon progression
yes it's optional but if you're at all interested in the history of yarnham, the birth of the beast plague, or really anything that's going on in the setting you need to do the "story" chalices
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>>720888165
>slow, methodical combat of previous entries
You mean clunky and awkward combat, where you either have to learn everything's parry timing or master standing still during the middle of a fight so you can try and kick away a shield.
DS1 combat is pretty dogshit a lot of the time.
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>>720887020
>>720896735
>>720902230
Begone zoomers.
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>>720863543
yes
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>>720902795
Sure you can learn that Yharnam is built upon the graves of many cycles of Old Ones creating or communing with slave species that then destroyed themselves in beast plagues and that BlahBlah and SnoreSnore found the great Outer God Corpus Callosum and sucked out its (insert DH Lawrence literary reference) and yadayada, but none of it matters and it doesn't really make the game any more fun to see what Mad-Libs tier vagueposting the devs added and probably rearranged a hundred times before release.
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>>720863543
>still
It never was, faggot
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>>720902806
>jumps over your post
What you gonna do about it, soulsboy?
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>>720863543
BB > DS3 > ER > Sekiro > DeS > DS > actual dogshit > DS2
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>>720903178
Well sure if you're just not interested in the lore then you can skip it
Not saying the Chalice dungeons are FUN by any means, they are an absolute slog, but there's story content hidden in them for sure

I'm just never putting myself through the Defiled Chalice ever again
once is enough
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>>720902002
Elden Ring's gameplay is way better than previous Souls games.
Margit on his own is a more fun boss than all but Artorius in DS1.
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Is playing a Sorceror just straight up cheating in DS1?
Started one up the other week and you can melt bosses health bars just by walking backwards slowly and hitting them with the BASIC Soul Arrow ~10 times, maybe less
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>>720902618
How come? Open to the idea but might feel like playing the same game back to back
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>>720863543
Scholar is garbage. Dark Souls 2 with downloaded dlc is by far the superior experience.
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pc fags have it easy just drop a enb preset and enjoy a remastered version meanwhile consolefags have to make do with dog water ass sotfs dogshit...
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>>720863543
dark souls 2 was my first souls game and I really enjoyed it. I then played Dark souls 1 and thought this game was much better than 2. 3 was great, PS3 Demon Souls was a lot of problem but I enjoyed it more than 2.
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>>720903620
The early game sucks because you have too few spells for PVE so you have to play a shitty melee build all the way up to the boss.
If you don't do the LUB skip to get Griggs, you are piddling around with a pea shooter that is only good for boss fights (kinda).
Even then, just getting the Zweihander is better than spells early on, and you don't give up survivability.
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>>720907098
sybil on the log
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>>720876668
>It has better level design than DS3
How is it possible to be this retarded?
>ds2 alternates wildly between 9/10 and 3/10
There is literally nothing about ds2 that's a 9/10. Borderline mental illness.
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>>720909219
I didn't have any trouble at all plowing through the early mobs. You just need to pump INT and your basic soul arrow can kill almost all of them in 1 hit.

I took out the Black Night near the first bonfire without even levelling up once.
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>>720899008
>Shadow of the Erdtree bring the challenge back
PCR is the only challenging fight, and even then you can cheese him with the WALL + spear build
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>>720909219
sure but you can get to griggs almost immediately
you're a little handicapped for the tiniest fraction of the start of the game, after your build starts snowballing you become very OP
and you can buy a 2nd copy of Soul Arrow from Griggs bringing your total up to 60 shots, while still only taking up 1 attunement slot, before you even get Heavy Soul Arrow or Great spells
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>>720911538
No, the extra copy of soul arrow does take up a slot. It just stacks them both into one stack of 60 so you don't have to change slots while casting, but it still takes up the spot.
But as a sorceror you should have 3 or 4 attunement slots already at that point
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>>720872557
Bullshit he's been making a mech game with Godot but then his autism flared up so hard that he had to start fixing Godot because it wasn't good enough for him. Also he started adding gameplay changes to Flames of Old so now it has shit like a lantern that makes torches pointless and he made the water in Amana see-through because he doesn't understand the environment and encounter design of the area.
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>>720881149
>new londo
the bottom half just sucks and four kings has the worst runback in the game if you don't do the jump which skips most of the bottom half
>tomb of the giants
the gimmick is just that you can't see, bravo miyazaki.
wasn't just talking about areas though. both nito and seath are jokes despite being hyped up hard from the beginning of the game. all of the hardest and most memorable fights in the game come from the first half, like bell gargoyles and O&S which is just weird because usually games get harder as they go on. the best fight of the second half is the four kings imo, and that's literally the same enemy copy pasted multiple times.
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Kids keep talking trash but DS2 is truly better than DS1 even DS3
There are 2 types of gamer
1. Just play, cheese game with Black Knight weapons, love fighting easy final boss, mind nothing else = saying DS1 best game
2. Actually play the game:
- Talk to NPCs to find out they will piss on you if you didnt buy anything and just leave the shop.
- Roll into poison swamp to find out poison still building up even left poison area already.
- Enemy attacks are fast and unpredictable.
- Leveling one stat also increase other stats and it makes sense.
- Depending on how many time player die, hollow appearance changed.
- Has stat respec.
- Power stance.
- Unique backstab and riposte animations.
- Player animation changed if stamina is drained out.
- Jumping distance changed depending on player weight.
- NG+ added new stuffs even NG+10 has new stuffs in it.
- Hidden rewards and interactions with NPCs by trading with them.
- Hidden challenge with proper reward for doing no death run.
- How the hell a dude with thousand hours in game with no achivement gained?
= DS2 is best
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My favorites are Sekiro and Elden Ring
I can’t play the Soulsshit that came out before Sekiro anymore, it just is too antiquated, clunky and janky
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>>720911526
For most players the Dancing Lion, Rellana, Messmer, and Bayle were all hard fights.
Sure, if you went in with really well optimized builds and buff stacked heavily I'm sure you could crush all of them, but most players aren't doing that.
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>>720913752
>antiquated, clunky and janky
kill yourself zoomer.
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>>720916292
Geriatric fuck can’t keep up with Sekiro/Elden Ring’s pace
Lol
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>>720863543
yes
i wonder when will some modder just straight up port the whole fucking thing into elden ring
i mean, some dude's already porting fucking morrowind into er anyway
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>>720916446
Sekiro is my favourite and I play Ninja Gaiden which shits on all these games when it comes to gameplay speed. Anyone that says "clunky and janky" is a retarded low IQ zoomer subhuman who just sucks at playing those games and uses those words to mask his own incompetence.
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>>720883116
because their engine suck ass
ds2 pc version was beyond broken at launch, and stayed like that for a while
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>>720863653
/v/ can't handle this much righteous basedness
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>>720916735
I'm surprised no one did that yet.
DS1 with Elden Ring's movement and moveset upgrades would be sick.
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>>720863653
This except for DeS which I haven't played.



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