why dosen't /v/ play mech games?
>>720872503Western "mecha" is not mecha.
>>720872681Right. So the superior mecha, then.
>>720872681nobody was talking about mecha though
but i do
>>720872503I play MW5 occasionally with a couple friends, and maybe once a year I'll run a modded career in Battletech.
>>720872503MW5 was fun enough although I heard it had a rough start, I only played it a few years after release. How does clans match up?
>>720872503Literally just finished the main campaign of BATTLETECH and am running through all the Flashpoints. Think I'll get BTA:3062 too. Also played some coop Shadows of Kerensky with my bud and goddamn do those clan mechs break the bank.
>>720872503>atlas but gay>12 missions of holding Wthat'll be $20 + tip
>holding Wway to out yourself faggot lmao
>>720873415thislmao
They got too far up their own ass and stopping trying to be a fun game to play.
>>720872503What the fuck is there even on offer?>Mechwarrior 4gold, but old, if you were such a diehard 4 fanboy you wouldn't be here>Mechwarrior 5old, also started out nearly fucking unplayable without mods especially in co-op which basically ruined all interest I could have ever had, MAYBE it's better now but not by enough>Mechwarrior OnlineNo.>HAWKENrip>Armored Core 4same as Mechwarrior 4 but for weebshit>Armored Core 6online is whatever and died quick, game's okay but not a permanent mainstay in your games rotation>Gundambest you're gonna get is some obscure 3D games or SRW which varies in quality>Battletech, Into the Breach and other games of its ilkStrategy games are whatever, Advanced Wars blows them all out of the water anyway while not even being all that mech-focusedWhat is there to play?
>>720872503I dont even count this as real mech-core. Its a tank with legs, and these types are never even that big or as big as you would want a fantasy "mech" to be they intentionally tone it down to try and make them realistic even tho nothing about mechs are realistic at all. I think of a humanoid shape WITH STRAIGHT LEGS, NOT FUCKING CHICKEN LEGS (picrelated), and long human arms, a neck, basically a metal humanoid, not a wierd tank hybrid. Thanks for reading.
>>720873642>. Its a tank with legsAs opposed to glorified power armor?
>>720873774No smartass, the signifier is usually the chicken leg. Hence I attached an image for reference that matches the chicken leg in the OP image that was posted in case youre confused, thanks!
>>720872503Fuck the super heavies, Humpback team with medium lasers are walking disco balls of death.
>>720872681Why do anime fans need to turn everything into a culture war? Kinda weird bro.
>>720873838>the chicken leg in the OP image>OP image>chicken leguhh
>>720873838>hence I attached an image for reference that matches the chicken leg in the OP image that was posted in case youre confused???
>>720873838get some glasses
>>720872503garrus varkarian is not a mech
>>720873909The posters moaning about "tranime" have been far more guilty of this on this site. Maybe tourists have a different experience?
>>720873642>>720873838uh dude, mechwarrior has plenty of humanoid-shaped mechs and OP is one of them it also sounds like you basically just want Transformers, which I don't mind but you're going about this in a stupid, STUPID way
>>720873909This would all be put to bed if BT got an animeYes Dougram is perfect, but like a genuine BT anime thougheverbeit
>>720874398>>720874138>>720874840>>720874264??? huh??
>>720874995Are you insane?
>>720873774I prefer the term "glorified technicals" over that.
Because I'm not autistic and I just want a modern Custom Robo
>>720874995you made me launch the game for this
Oh boy, it's the Nachtreiher situation all over again.
>Ok, guys! We are building a new battlemech! >Will it have anything that we cant shove into other mechs of the same tonnage?!>NO! LMAO! The weapons will do the same damage>It will move at the same speed if we use the same engine>The armor is the same>The equipment is the same>In fact, why are we even building a new mech? We can just take an existing chassis and shove stuff into it!
>>720874795The term tranime exists because there really is an elitist group of millennial transgender anime fans on this site that act like they're better than everyone else because they watched Star Blazers, Ghost in the Shell and Akira 30 years ago and they deserve to be called out. Seething about western media is just nonsense because it's disingenuous to act like all western media is Superman or Pacific Rim or whatever.
>>720872503I just got done playing Gungriffon. Mecha games were my lifeblood growing up.
>>720874995>Retarded complaining about somthing you know little about.How would you feel if you hadn't eaten breakfast this morning?
>>720875580>act like they're better than everyone else because they watched Star Blazers, Ghost in the Shell and AkiraHonestly just sounds like they're owning you and you have it coming.
>>720872503>>720875240Quite ironic how the mech traced from the speedy scopedog became a bulky bruiser.
>>720875393>one of the best and coolest parts in the game>does not mech with my game style in the leastfuck this gay earth
>>720874264LMAO nice DIAPER armor
>>720872503I am maining Spider right now because I like Armored Core.
>>720873642In MW5m the mechs are huge and you can walk around your mech hangar. They’re like 30 feet tall.
>>720875580But you're not calling them out, you're calling the medium gay?
>>720875580If you didn't watch GitS or Akira then they are, in fact, better than you.
>>720872503I do, but I'm also 35 unfortunatelyHow is the new DLC? Worth grabbing the deal?
>>720872681Aside from Chromehounds and Zeonic Front, Japs just can't make good giant robot games.
>>720874264people rag on MWO but goddamn do I love some of its designs
>>720876715>yeah so aside from the guys who make gundam and armored coreNigga those are the two big ones.
>>720876829Love the Phoenix Hawk and how Alex made the IS desgins more angular and the Clans more rounded.
>>720876597they made vanilla clantech in the DLC equal power to YAML tier 5 weapons
>>720872503It's not a sustainable theme or genre. As a "genre" it will always be for a niche audience, and as a theme it's not deep enough to be the ONLY theme of a game but is usually sprinkled in there. Mechs are everywhere, Helldivers 2 has mechs technically.Mech games are few and far between and so they aren't played often.And MW5 is just inherently flawed.>>720872681OP explicitly used the word "mech".So fuck off.
>>720872503MWO is actually the best and it's kinda sad because you know it's not gonna get better than it is, but it's still very very good.MW5 is only good if you mod it, and you need to mod a lot of stupid shit from vanilla. Like a fuckton of shit. Luckily, the mod scene is heavy and dedicated and downloading the mods is easy.There are no other good mech games, sadly. Every other is early access, a proof of concept, chinku sentai bullshit or dead.
>>720877584>It's not a sustainable theme or genre. As a "genre" it will always be for a niche audienceGundam is a billion dollar a year franchise and battletech is currently the second most popular wargame. It's making money hand over fist, part of the issue is that people don't grasp the real means to success is model kits and miniatures. They outsell all the games combined.
>>720875580sounds like these trannies have good taste, maybe you should take notes junior
>>720877584>And MW5 is just inherently flawed.What I hate the most is that it is easily fixed because every mod out there goes for it, like better salvage or salvage system that isn't retarded, money that is actually worth something, adds more item variety, overhauls the mechlab to be more like MWO, make explosions not shit and fix the AI that is completely braindead or stop the infinite enemy respawn, awhile making them more dangerousI mean it IS fixable and it is NOT a matter of tastes, because several mods go for it, not just YAML or other stuff. It's obvious that isn't finished and it's barebones.And im disgusted that even with Unreal Engine they still managed to make it look grainy and ugly and unoptimized as fuck.There's a good game below all that bullshit, I mean, it's not bad, just mediocre unless you're really into mechs and mod it and stomach blandness a little bit.
I enjoy stompy mech games, not spindly ones. The less humanoid they look, the better.
Still waiting for a good Zoids game.
>>720872681As kid i used to prefer eastern mecha but now as an adult idk why but western mecha feel more appealing to me Eastern especially jap mecha are all just big ass humanoid without any movement restrictionsArmored core and front mission are a good middle ground though
>>720876307Making them way smaller than 70 year old fighter jets
Is there any /m/ shit that's serious and well written like a LotGH of the medium? The only thing that comes to mind for me is 0079.
>>720878203Steel Hunters was actually something like this and it already shut downIt was good actually. Just never had a chance.
>waiting for merctech v3>for about 3 years now
>>720878339When we get to the encumbrance and sluggishness in western mecha, I find it hart to believe that people would ever use them over tanks that are just larger than today's tanks.
>>720878076I don't think any of the little things really matter. You can push up this and trim that but the entire focus of the game is flawed. It's a wave based randomly generated PVE looter shooter at heart with drop rarity for your samey weapons.>>720878901Steel hunters was a battle royale extraction shooter with like seven currencies and I'm glad it died fast.
>>720875051I never thought Id see a Toajak
>>720873162Clans is okay, although it has scant mods yet and IMO the mechlab is worse than the expanded view and concise menus of MW5. One thing it does have over MW5 is that the later levels get HARD. One level is almost impossible to beat without shitloads of luck, strategy and good builds.
>>720878203>zoids game>but with armored core and mechwarrior style customization>big persistent world map with factions for your team to join, and territory to fight over, like Chrome Hounds did>have seasons that add new zoids and cosmetics over time to keep it going for years
>>720878339I once saw the design styles and movement described as eastern mechs are "What if a person was a robot" and western as "What if a tank walked like a man"
>>720874995Bruh
>>720878339>>720879749It's just because mechwarrior is old as hell and was based on tank simulator games from the time. Even battletech, the original setting for mechwarrior, has them as decently limber and capable of flexible movement. Note how often "western mech" is just mechwarrior in these discussions. Not titanfall or supreme commander or even battletech. It's pretty much just mechwarrior and it's eras videogame clones that's tank-like.
I had mechwarrior 2 as a kid on our gateway with an old joystick and I sucked at it, couldn't read and had no idea what I was doing no matter how many times i tried Was this considered a good one? Which mechwarrior should I play?
>>720872503>why dosen't /v/ play mech games?but I do
>>720872681Its a giant robot that is piloted by a guy inside, what else do you need?
I play GBO2I never really understood the whole 'give games you've played a long ass time a negative review' til now.
>>720880305Mechwarrior and battletech are the same universe, you dummy.
boomer thread35+ year old thread
>>720880797Exactly. But the games have never been strictly canon to battletech. For example, the mechs are frequently way bigger in mechwarrior.
>>720880854Guess I'm just an old soul, then. As a genz /m/an
>>720872503i downloaded Mechwarrior 3 yesterdayi also got the Heavy Gear 1 and 2 packs but i'm still trying to get them to work
Should I play the PS1 Armored Core games?
>>720872503They are boring, clunky, and fail to deliver what I want most:Getting in and out of mechs to gain the upper hand in combat via highjacking or ejection.
>>720881387Yeah, they're good. Poor part amounts and too many mazes, but they're still really fun and there's lots of things to appreciate about them.>>720881516I know five games offhand that do that.
>>720879269>It's a wave based randomly generated PVE looter shooter at heart with drop rarity for your samey weapons.Dude, don't reply to posts pretending to be me and then post exactly what I believe.
>>720881909The Capellan Confederation grows stronger everyday
>>720872503I been playing Granvir - Zero Front, M.A.S.S Builder and Brigador. I dont like Battletech designs outside the Urbie.
I want an Urbanmech game. It could be like that shitty 40k Fire Warrior game, where a lone Urbie fights his way through the Capellan Confederation and takes down the Liaos by itself.
>>720875580>muh elitismzoomers are so fucking gay, you are literally projecting
Most big name mech games are garage games, and garage games are only ever really fun once you know what you're doing. Until you know this class of gun sucks, these generators don't work, the main stat that actually matters is "effluence", and if you put jump jets onto your thighs instead of your back you go twice as fast, the games frequently just aren't that fun.Just give someone a big list of cool looking things and ask them to the one they like the most, and then slap their hand and tell them to pick something else, that one's SHIT. That's the garage game experience.
>>720875580>Star Blazers>released 1979-84>millennialsthat's genx though
>>720878627probably muv-luv
so is Macross dead or what?
Mech games?
>>720872503WHERE THE FUCK IS THE IMP?
>>720884323Kawamori outsourced the next series to Sunrise/Bamco. Probably gonna air in 2026 or early 2027.
>>720878203fucking obvious design flaw
>>720884981It's made out of a material that rapes you if you point at it. Don't do that!
>>720872503they're always too simple. Giant robots with generic weaponry and equipment with 1-5 varying levels of quality/power. It's like games with magic just being different flavors of damage. They are so low strategy I don't even see the point of the mechs being involved past the irritation of their general movement.
>play armored core>only one sequence in the game where you feel like a badass and its fighting the entire red army>play new daemon x machina>its not a mech game its power suit slop>play mechwarriors>its squad management strategy slop
>>720884896I want a 100 ton Urbie. Hell, go superheavy and let me break the enemy with a 200 ton 1/1/0 trashcan.Armed only with a few dozen Small Lasers.
unironically ace combat and project wingman give me more of what I want from a mech game than any mech games have. i just want to be beating the shit out of people and have their faces pop up in the corner saying how cool and awesome I am or who is this guy
>heavy gear 3 announcedplease don't be shit please don't be shit
>>720885507Because it's fun to play in a big robot like my favorite animes.
>>720885867I want the technical side to be more expansive, and I want the experience to be less arcadey. I want whatever the ARMA equivalent to mechwarrior would be.
>>720885916I think it's kind of pointless to make an overly complex simulator based on a fantasy anime premise There's not any reality to compare it to and replicate, it's all being made up to make a fun videogame either way. Earlier mechwarrior games are the ARMA of mechwarrior. Or gungriffon. They're already based on vehicle simulators. I genuinely don't even know what else you'd want. You'd have to invent new technical elements in order to put into the games to have anything else to simulate.On the other hand you can make a game with 12 stages of run'n'gun action and I'm happy as a clam.
Mechs are difficult to do right. Even BattleTech couldn't do it with their own pen & paper game since the mechs are the weakest unit type.
Clan weapons in this MW5 expansion are so incredibly overpowered. I always thought modded Clan shit was overpowered but somehow actual in game ones ended up being ever stronger. Not really complaining though.
>>720887015is the expansion what everyone has been waiting for? finally Clan tech?
>>720886881Actually the battletech general recently did some tests and found that mechs are about twice as useful as all other units. they were very thorough.
>>720872503but I do
>>720887015Clan tech weapons dont work in an IS setting especially when min maxed. Clan mechs being over engined and carrying too many different types of weapons with not enough ammo is the only thing balancing them.
>>720887046Yeah it's the Clan invasion from the IS perspective. You narratively fight against Clan Wolf, but you can do randomly generated missions against the other clans.In addition to clan mechs, there's elementals (the 2.5m tall power armor soldiers). The elementals can break into your cockpit and kill you if you stand still for too long.
>>720882463>>720882525coolmechanics-wise we have more than enough to make mechs a reality, really just needed a powerful enough portable power source
>giant robot fighting>but no hot girls in skin tight bodysuitswhy do they always forget this essential ingredient?
>>720887192i sure love using mechlab mod and turning my shitty inner sphere mechs even bigger monsters than clan ones thanks to having more options to change their loadout
>>720887709>The elementals can break into your cockpit and kill you if you stand still for too long.wow! okay i don't really want to try that.
>>720887709God, I love elementals, especially in tabletop. I've bought a shitload of mechs, but nowadays I usually end up using just a couple of them per session. The rest of the BV goes to elementals and transportation.
>>720887015>>720887192How many times do you guys need to be told that clan tech was 200 years ahead of IS tech at the start of the invasion?TWO. HUNDRED. YEARS.Their energy weapons in particular were fucking nuts. The ONLY reason the Clans were stopped was because their honor culture was massively exploited by the IS. People would make deals with them where they'd say "We'll fight you with honor if you agree to give us your tech in the event that we win." and the Clans always accepted.
Smoke Jaguars did nothing wrong
Currently playing through Battletech modded with BEX. Shit's pretty fun>>720874995>>720873642I think this retard is trying to say digitigrade legs when he says chicken legs. This is retarded for 2 reasons. 1. Chicken legs usually refer to thin legs2. The Atlas does not have digitigrade legsHere is an image with a Battletech mech that does have digitigrade legs.
Battletech political setting will never make sense to me. Hundreds of worlds bowing down to some "noble houses" is absolutely retarded.
>>720872681BattleTech is based off all the tech of Macross. It's what would happen if there were no aliens to harass Earth with.
>>720887882>Sir, have you heard of our lord and savior Aleksandr Sergeyevich Kerensky?
>>720888168>filthy freebirth using clan mechHe has even more reason to be mad
>>720872503I like mechs, but all the games with them are boring
>>720888118Clearly you don't know enough about the lore of the setting. Each House started as a particularly wealthy and self sufficient planet that grew via alliances and conquest after the Inner Sphere was first plunged into chaos when the Terran Hegemony collapsed. It was a dog eat dog star cluster. Some star systems simply starved after they were cut off from the logistical systems that kept them alive.
Trying to rng certain hero mech and 3 rare ones of same type but different variant to spawn in markets is incredibly annoying.
>>720888124Battletech is a plagiarism of multiple anime, not just macross. It's what would happen if you stitch together a dozen anime into a tiktok video that's why it will never make sense.
>>720887928I just dont care that the tech is better. When you add clan tech to a game you instantly make all other tech irrelevant.Clan tech also continues to be better than IS tech because it just is okay. Why should the IS invent a RAC and the clans get to copy it but better?Making CLPL CERPPC CERLL boats is not interesting at all either.
>>720884323They announced additions for the next diva in Feb this year so of course not.Also had Halloween promotions in supermarket chains and live orchestra cinema viewings last summer.Macross is alive and well, you just need to realise it's a Japan-only affair unlike Gundam.
I heard SDGO is getting a rerelease
>>720889019Turned out to be some weird chinese bait-and-switch thing. They scrubbed all the gundam branding off the steam page.There is a heavy gear 3 coming out though.
>>720873162It's good but very different.Mechlab system is not comparable and needs getting used, the "replayability" is lower simply because it is a story campaign.Missions can get hard, partially because they are longer with more going on. In turn they also mix things up a bit more than in Mercenaries.Imo PGI did a decent job with the story and cutscenes although there were some issues/poor choices.I.e. tutorial has the MC doing a trial for position and in the end you get taken out in a cutscene, which is needless because the player couldn't win that fight anyway. >>720888538No it isn't, it differs heavily. All it has in common with those anime is that it used licensed depictions.
>>720875580you simply must go back
>>720888538Actually, Battletech is 100% Americana.
I only play Gundam games.
>>720872503/V/ IS A CLANS BOARD.SPH*ROIDS ARE NOT WELCOME.
>>720878627Dougram, if you want politics.
>>720888614YOU OUTNUMBER THEM EVERY SINGLE TIME DEZGRAIF YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF USING BASIC STRATEGY TO OUTMANUEVER IT IS A "SPHERE ISSUE"
>>720888614https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2MQPWE_M_EM
>>720887076No idea what kind of testing they did but BT is dominated by action economy and if you forego a mech and take 5-10 tanks and vtols you can just destroy the enemy effortlessly. If they did simulations of 1:1 matchups then of course the mech is gonna win since it's a more kitted out weapon platform, but in an actual combat scenario they are weak as shit.BT's mechanics also do a shit job at supporting Clans and how their stars work. In general the game is just really bad at translating the lore into coherent and thematic mechanics. All you have is a clunky simulator that requires a shitload of book keeping.
I remember playing MW5 Mercenaries but being too retarded to fix my mech. I didnt have the parts to replace the broken bits or something and I would have had to go somewhere else to get it. Am I just too retarded?
>>720890431That's just an exploitation of it's skirmish-style initiative system and they've literally just announced they're fixing it in the new rules. Older alternate systems for initiative also prevent it, it just doesn't matter for most games since they're usually between mostly even forces.Putting in squads of unarmed infantry to do absolutely nothing but initiative sink gives you the advantage no matter what your force consists of, and costs almost nothing. A single atlas versus another atlas but it has two squads of cheerleader infantry always gets initiative advantage.You don't do it because it's powergaming and metagaming though.>>720890449Busted cores fucking suck when no one around you will sell the same engine and you can get stuck wandering around forever waiting for a random shop to drop it. There's mods that make everything repairable if you don't want the busywork.
>>720887928And 200 years in BT means "10-20% more damage", lmao. It's like if WW2 was fought with slightly longer cavalry sabres and lighter muskets.>>720888614HGR is IS-exclusive, at least.
I do, just not the gay shit.
>>720890690>You don't do it because it's powergaming and metagaming though.It doesn't require much. Instead of taking the classic 4 mechs you can forego that one mech and take a shitload of tanks and vtols with the points you saved. Now you're guaranteed to win. The only way to play this shit fairly is to just take your damn mechs which is what I did and what eventually just drove me away from the game. Too many people in my area were into the combined arms meme. Although I suppose I would've lost interest eventually anyway since as I mentioned the lore and mechanics never align and that's a big deal for my immersion.
>>720890883>has a teddy bear in his inventory>not gay
>>720872503Well, merchwarrior is one of the least interesting system to play for one.
>>720890431Yeah that's why a common optional rule is for the player with more units having to activate until both parties are even.>player A has 10 units>player B has 4>player B activates 1 unit>player A activates 7 units in a row>afterwards it is back to I go you go
>>720888168>Hi, we've been trying to contact you about your battlemech's extended warranty!
>>720872503/v/eddit could barely handle AC6 and its the simplest armored core with the easiest control scheme since its really just an obfuscated souls gamea real mech game requires too much prep and planning in the design stage and typically a certain amount of plate spinning during active gameplay that the modern audience cant handlethats why all we get these days is shallow dogshit like the recent mechwarrior games or stuff that's just wearing a mech skinat best you can hope for one of the two dozen microscopic budget gundam games where you might have alright suit customization but little else
>>720890774Actually, large clan lasers fit in small IS laser slots. So get fucked by a Nova alpha strike.
>>720891463Combined arms is cool but like a lot of battletech, you need to agree, clarify any rules, and potentially use optional rules to make it fair if you're not gonna bring the same stuff. Battletech is just too big of a game to be balanced without agreements.There's always gonna be some dipshit who wants to bring loads of aircraft but wont want you to bring flak ammo. It's just not that kind of game. You should agree to use alternate initiative systems if one side is gonna have way more units.
>>720872503>why dosen't /v/ play [...] games?Surely you know this
>>720875580Imagine getting bullied by weebs on the internet.
>>720889158Yeah, the mecha design is the only stuff it borrowed from anime. Everything else is original.
>>720893287Well it's not borrowed, it's licensed, they paid for it.
>Mecha thread>"muh combined arms" AKA "muh excuse to replace mecha with realistic vehicles and tanks"Funny how not even mecha fans like mecha.
>>720872503i used to
>>720893570>mecha>a
>>720888094What's that left mech?
>muh ancient scary war machine sealed deep in ancient underwater vaults with psychic energies>protoss colossus>loses to thor 1vs1Meka games are always so weird and complex, anime tps are always more easily understandable, believable and fun.
>>720893570I like how Battletech/Mechwarrior has power armor guys who can ride mechs. That's a cool idea for combined arms.Someone really needs to make a coop game that works like that. Or maybe it's a versus game and there are two teams of mech+attached infantry. Not sure.
>>720893732See what I mean?
>>720872503I would, but Marvelous turned their mecha game series produced by ex-Armoured Core director, into Halo power armour suits instead.
>>720893729i think it's a rakshasa but i'm not sure
>>720888538You are mistaking Battletch with Robotech. Battletech at it's base is completely western. The only thing from japan is they licensed designs to produce models faster.
>>720893729Looks to me like Savage Wolf aka Mad Cat Mk. IV
>>720893785I don't think guys in power armor riding a giant robot counts as realistic vehicles and tanks. If it does then holy shit has military technology evolved since the last time I checked.
>>720872503For the same reason I don't play flight sims, or Formula 1 games? They are made for autists who have this thing as their particular fixation and if you're not cooming yourself over the designs and how such and such a mech is a reference to the villain of the week from densetsu no panties ep #1488 there really isn't much to find interesting
I HATE THE INNER SPHERE!I HATE THE INNER SPHERE!I HATE THE INNER SPHERE!
Very boring. it's like russian tank games>>720873642this
>>720893860Jet packs exist IRL already. They're actually used by the military to land on boats at sea. Just combine that with power armor, then replace boats with mechs, and you've got the elementals of battletech.
>>720893732you sorta do that in lost planet 2 but multiplayer is deadtitanfall could let you do some similar things but is in a similar situation, I also never really liked it
>>720893287>>720893838The mecha design in your mech game is pretty important. Battletech has glass cockpits and human hands on it's designs because it took them from anime that had them, and a lot of it's technology is trying to justify designs they didn't come up with. The original loadout of weapons came from the weapons these designs had.Nevermind that the whole thing is riding the wave of real robot fanatics that came from gundam establishing the market for gritty mech wars and spinning off everything else of that era.
>>720894130Dude that was 40 years ago. Those designs aren't in the game anymore or have been changed so much they look nothing like it. You are living in the past.
Cute small Crab. The cutest of all Crabs!
>metal bringer>edf>armored core>riftbreaker>baldr sky>cavalry girls>srwI do although limited.
>>720894389Yes cutest of all uhh...two of them
>>720894564It's true, the world needs more Crabs.
>>720894564>>720894646Night Chanter sort of counts. Even though it's not officially a crab.
>>720894192It's not that different. I'm not saying it's all totally the same thing, ripoff, el plagiarismo, etc, I'm just saying it's obvious where the inspirations come from and it's weird how much people insist it's wildly different, no comparison, definitely nothing like anything else ever.It's a post gundam real robot setting. Like dougram and macross themselves were.
>>720890431you can't BRING 5-10 tanks instead of a mech. because the food, water and AIR your droppers would need, not to mention the vehicle bays, means you're looking at some kind of fortress class dropper, converted, in order to outfight a mere Union class dropper and its 12 mechs.
>>720895313The idea that that main constraint is room on dropships actually breaks the setting even harder. If that's the case then everyone should build a shitton of tanks on each planet as their garrison army. You don't need to worry about all that shit if they stay home defending, and it means attackers are massively outnumbered so they have no chance. The setting just become peacetech since nobody can successfully attack.
>>720895598People do that, but with Urbanmechs. Tanks aren't as all terrain as you think. Especially the heavy tanks that can pose a challenge to a mech.
Post you're favorite Mech. Bonus points if it isn't in any of the new Mechwarrior games.
>>720894939The scale creep in that image is crazy, look at the pilot sat on top of the mech.
>Astro boy>Medabots>Custom Robo>Gotcha Force>Metal Wolf>Sonic Mechs/robos>Bionicles>Only Gundam I watched was Z and SD>Got burned out on AC1-3 (will go back but not itching for it)I have the lame autism
>>720895759I love this spindly thing
I remember having a horrible experience with MWO, it just wasn't fun for meI'd rather reinstall GBO2Anyway, have some sommerset strikers and remember to refuse all batchallshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLJM4vjMdhc&list=PLRlu7nBFPfe2DtSj1apNPNnGfMJbVhxBJ>>720878203there was a turnbased JRPG zoids game on GBA iirc
I do, but i wish there was more than like 3 games on the market and they werent all 6/10 mediocre slop
>>720890431>BT's mechanics also do a shit job at supporting Clans and how their stars work.Because of the dice. Any system that uses D6 will run into problems when trying to represent granular mechanical detail. 40K has the same issue where Marines and Sisters have the same armor value despite their armor being light years apart in complexity and protection.
Phantom Brigade is pretty good if you can get it for cheap. They've improved it a lot after release.
>>720872503There arent exactly alot of good mech games.
>>720896718Battletech uses 2d6 for most rolls. It's also famously pretty good at granular mechanical detail. If you want more detail than battletech you're gonna have to crack out your campaign for north africa.
Mechwarrior 3 is the only mech game where it actually feels like you're conducting a military mission using a mech, instead of playing some kind of third person action game with a mech skin over top.
>>720872681>is that le Mobile Suit Nip Nong from Gundam Sneed? I clap! I clap like a seal haha xD
>>720897784You forgot the gigachad image.
>>720877128And Gundamslop is a normalfag franchise for mech secondaries. You're not helping your case, buddy.
>watch japanese vtuber play mechwarrior online>see this threadneat
>>720895598that means you need tank factories, gun factories and the FUSION ENGINE PLANTS on planet. that is why only major worlds that have all that shit have such large conventional forces.every planet bumfukistan buys mechs because that's what they can afford to have shipped and maintain
>>720881326>For example, the mechs are frequently way bigger in mechwarrior.That's only because PGI are retarded faggots who can't do a proper scaling of things to save their life. Not a single game they ever made has the right scale of things. This applies to everything, not just mechs. >>720882648Urbanfags are peak reddit.
>>720897040>tfw not enough water for my pasta rations>>720898430^thisNo one has the ability to support factories on every planet for tanks that have equivalent tech to mechsAt best you can build I.C.E vehiclesSame with more advanced weapons.
MWO as a game is actually not that bad, but the online element really drags it down (matchmaking, balance, and monetization issues). not to mention the community, which is a cesspool of cringe nerds and larpdads.
>>720893598I remember being so hyped for this game. Sad what happened to it. The aesthetics and artstyle is perfect.
>>720872503Wait wait. Last mechthread had someone claiming mech games were more popular as evarrr after i called them out. So what is it?
>>720898835This is an opinion of someone who doesn't really know much about MWO. Core mechanics are kinda fun, yeah. Simplistic, but fun. Everything else fucking sucks, especially the technical side of things. The netcode is an absolute abortion and it might be the worst netcode in gaming. Every part of it is impressively bad, starting with truly abhorrent hitreg. The map design could be used to teach how to make the shittiest maps imaginable. The few good maps there are are basically just Canyon Network, but with a different coat of color. Even after a decade, the maps have missing objects, fuckload of visual glitches, constant LOD problems, and hilariously bad collision. Which is tied to another problem, that mechs don't even have proper kinetics, they simply hover over the terrain. Which would be retarded, but acceptable, since this is an older game. What is, however, not acceptable, is the fact that speed is what decides your ability to traverse the terrain, i.e, slow mechs get stuck into a thumb-sized pebbles, while fast mechs can climb shit on par with ME Mako. I could continue like this for a while. I could talk about hitreg more, how inherently it is broken and that no amount of balancing can fix that. The truth is, MWO is a shit game that is only still around (though it's been lately dying pretty fast, with ~10 min matching times) because there's no competition, and because it's sycophantic redditor mechdad community.
>>720899287It sounds to me like he owned you so hard you're crying about it in a whole new thread. Do you need someone to call a rape crisis center for you?
>>720874995Anon, those are ankles.
>>720875570Ok but we're nuking the factories that produce the competing mechs in the same tonnage. Your mech just got ten times more expensive to repair and a ticking timer til the last spare parts are used. You're welcome to hold onto our catalogue.
>>720899304I mean, the netcode and hitreg is all because it's online, which is what I said. but I'll admit I overlooked the maps and its collision issues.
>>720885626Mount a 100 ton chassis on regular urbie legs for maximum slooooow
>>720872503>why dosen't /v/ play mech games?Hawken was killed by its developer's parent company, and I despise the other options of third person auto-aim schlock, slow paced slop like your pic, or RTS games.I want to feel like I'm piloting a cool war machine from within the cockpit, sue me.
>>720899550Why didn't you just nuke all their leaders and soldiers and then you win?
>>720899550Not a problem after the clan invasion. Not like it matters since BT is afraid to make stuff that is straight up better. Then again, Medium lasers are the best weapons in the series, and ballistics are never worth taking.
>>720899745World of Tanks?
>>720899778That's your problem, I'm here to sell mechs to people who want to win wars, not win wars. Now how many can I put you down for? so I can ballpark a figure when I pitch the mech to your enemy
>>720899889Hunchback with everything ripped out to cram in more medium lasers is fun as fuck.
>>720899385I would not call an "Well actually they are quite popular" an own. Why your so defensive for a question? I find mechs cool but i just do not play the games. But ofc you have to go full blast like the insecure faggot you are.
Because mechs are dumb and tanks are better.
>>720899991Sounds like you're cruisin for a nukin.
>>720872681>mechs>mechaWhy are weebs so fucking retarded.
>>720900132I mean it got you so mad you came into a new thread rubbing your sore booty about it.
>>720878203Zoids Battle Legends, Zoids vs 3, and Zoids Saga are all good, I wish we got more too but it's not like there's nothing
>>720900073>Bro! The AC20 is gonna wrek your a->Melts you with a bunch of medium lasers in one alpha strike>Will never run out of ammo>And at a fraction of the weight to boot. Laserback is best hunchback
>>720900309>bro the AC20 is gonna wreck yo-I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE SOUND OF SEVERAL OVERRIDEN OVERHEAT WARNINGS, DETONATE YOUR AMMO A LITTLE LOUDER
>original tabletop authors repeatedly said that retardedly short range of Battletech weaponry was made simply to accommodate the size of playing tables >there are now decades of the most imbecilic headcanon from retarded mechdads to cope with this>all mechwarrior games slavishly follow this nonsense, tooWhy?
>that first postwhat's wrong with those deranged fucks trying to stir shit up
>>720900219I can offer you a very competitive rate on those nukes.
>>720891551Bocchi the mech pilot needs it for reassurance, have a heart.
>>720899906I did play it for a while, but I hated the monetization and grind.I wish they'd just bring back Hawken, and that it'd have a healthy playerbase.I'm so tired, Chief.
>>720900615I thought the corners of the pillow was massive nipples. I've seen too much weird art.
>>720900527Because this site is ran by actual bots and bad actors paid to stir shit up. Thankfully nobody took the bait.
>>720900489Why not? Real life tank cannons have similar engagement ranges, as seen in Ukraine. TOW missiles and javelins aren't used much past 1000m, either. And we don't know how far combat lasers can stretch because it's a developing technology.Looks like you're the wrong one here.
>>720900754>real life tank cannons have a range of 200m >real life tank engagements usually happen at sub-200m Have a (you), it's on me.
>>720900270I just scrolled to the catalog and saw this thread and thought. "Well let's see if the statements are true."But instead i get some edgy faggot going. "LEL DUDE get owned ur mad!" That says more about your insecurity than about me being mad. So are the games popular or not?Ac6 and the gundam game felt like a boost but now feel rather dead. Mechabreak was a short burst on which i'd like to know what happened about it.So stop being a cringedude and actually have a discussion.
>>720900489because most people who play mech games want to stare enemy mech in the face while they're melting it with a barrage of autocannon shells, lasers and missilesthey don't want every encounter to be "select a blip on the map, send missiles"
Most people don't like mech games, they'll cope and say it's because they're shit but the reality is they got filtered unless it's babby tier like AC6 or MW5. Neither which hold a candle to their predecessors.
>>720900680It's a chinkjank game, the art is rough around the edges but that's what makes it stand out in this era of clanker shit.
>>720900887LEL DUDE get owned ur mad
>>720900846What the hell are you doing? I'm firing from 800m most of the time if I can. I guess you've never played a realistic tank game, too.
>>720900949AC6 is easily the hardest and mech games are really not that complicated
>>720900489Because that's how it is. We can't change it.It's like how people genuinely get surprised that BT mechs are capable of physical combat. Like ACTUAL physical combat. even though it's been part of the original tabletop games since the original editions. Because MW made all the mechs slow and unwieldy
>>720900949MW5 is faaar more complex than MW2 was. I don't want to hear how stuffing all your arm weapons in your leg is actually brilliant design.
>>720901073>stagger meter the game>hardLMAO
>>720901073>AC6 is easily the hardest>Dumbed down>Stagger>Dark souls heals
>>720900489You don't need anything more than>ecm fucks up guided weapons which is why everything is micro missile saturation>mechs are all terrain and can cross ground faster than you'd think, leading to closer engagements in complex terrainThe rest is just vague tabletop scale. It's much worse that the games still have them using strict tank controls.
>no mecha STALKER where you literally need the mecha suit to survive environmental hazards, dangerous creatures and enemy factions
>>720901073AC6 is a insult to the series and it's fans. Lazy cheap shit with no attention to core detail.
>>720872681Battletech is /m/ thoughbeit.
>>720875309>>720874995is this mechwarrior online or a singleplayer one? is it good?
>>720901061>still cant have a discussion about the games he loves>but if i link chad it means my lack of argument is valid
>noooo the mechwarrior games are wrong mechs are actually super fast, mad cat could totally 1v1 gundam in hand to hand combat!
>>720901516Both screens are from Mechwarrior 5.
>>720901162Yes, the hardest enemies are bosses that don’t play by the rules it’s a lot harder than mech vs mech (but you have to wrangle the camera more)Also this obvious samefagging lol
>>720901548LEL DUDE get owned ur mad
>>720901352This but armored core 2.
>>720901572Yes.
for me it's the Samson
>>720901548Your mom is at my house and she's spinning the little propeller on my hat.
>>720901609From knew it and dropped AC2 after AA. But due to the success of AC6 will only ever get more of this trash.
>>720901626Based earthseige anon
>>720901516Singleplayer>is it good?Debatable. It has some issues with its AI and as a sandbox it is inherently repetitive.
>>720901626We have to go back to the 90s golden age...
>>720901725>due to the success of AC6 will only ever get more Great, I loved that one.
What's the mech game with the highest build-autism currently? I want to be able to customize my mech as much as possible.
>>720903040C21
>>720872503mechs are cool, but i like weapons of mass destruction in general. armored core 6 delivered that feeling of being a war machine. being on top of a ship descending from the exosphere was kino. i dont think much else delivered that planetary scale, or the part theres several war ships and you suddenly have infinite coral. we're never getting a new ac are we
>>720905443I waited ten years for the last one.
>>720905443>we're never getting a new ac are weWe are I don't know why people assume we aren't when it's obvious that's not the case
if a mech play and control like a tankwhy not just play tank games instead?
>>720905843yeah
>>720900615>no mech pilot girl emotionally dependent on you to get through the horrors of war>no mech pilot girl to repeatedly ask to sleep with you since she keeps having panic attacks and nightmaresGODDAMNIT
>>720872503Reflective vs Reactive?
is it worth doing melee in MW5? I got a Panther with a hatchet and I really want one but I still havent found the Hatamoto with a katana.>>720905887Any tips? I think if I strip this Panther I can make it go faster
if the game prevents me from loading up enough weapons to instantly destroy my mech with an alphastrike, its a bad mech game
>>720884981>gets stepped on
>>720901073if you didn't beat the game pre-nerfs. you did not beat the game. if you used songbirds, dual zimmers, laser lance, piledriver, or used tank builds. you did not beat the game.
>>720906291I used dual RFs.
>>720872503My problem is I realized that my ideal mech game is very specific (Front Mission clone - of which there is basically only one in development with no release date) and almost every modern mech game is some retarded monkeys paw shit like being a battle royale or racing game or autobattler or whatever the fuck.
>>720887790Skin tight suits are Star League lostechSSW pilots need extra equipment.>>720906054Well yeah with YAML you can make it faster.You will need AI lancemates as support agaisnt VTOLs.Aside from that there isn't that much to it aside from bashing them. Short range weapons are generally more complementary as are all with a low rate of fire but big alpha so you need to stop punching less often.Biggest issue with the panther will be that heavies and assaults can punch hard and ram you too for damage so unless you punch their back and/or punch off their arms it can get dangerous.
>>720887790>bodysuit>not leotard
>>720876715It's because ahneem does it where there's 2 faggots who get in an argument, and instead of having a fistfight, they run to their giant robots to settle it like bitches. In western media, everyone's fighting for a larger cause, and plenty of mechwarriors will handle things with their bare hands (Kai Allard-Liao fucked up an elemental in a bare knuckle brawl).
>>720907025You can't blame him for not thinking about leotard considering the official art.
>>720906920In the novels, most pilots are stripped down to their underwear. Joanna's body odor normally has already been described. Imagine it when sweating because a nuclear reactor is bleeding heat into the cockpit.
>>720906920Okay okay, I didn't think about heavier classes that much, thank youI wish there was like a shoulder mounted axe with a kind of catapult motion instead of having to lose an entire arm for melee, I get why, it's fucking awesome but the flexibility would've been nice for arm-less tardmechs like the chickens or jaegers
>>720872503Same as I said 20 years ago.Re-release Chromehounds and I'll be back.
>>720872681FPBPwestern troons be seething lol
>>720907303>they run to their giant robots to settle it like bitchesThe final fight in gundam is settled with a zero gravity sword duel.
>>720906291>used the starting gun the entire game because it just felt good to useheh
>>720893729Obviously a Mad Cat Mark IV, the Ferrari of the Timber Wolf Line.https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Savage_Wolf_(Mad_Cat_Mk_IV)The Mad Cat Mk II has square shielded boxed for rape at all ranges.Also Charles II of Spai... i mean THE GREAT ILKHAN! AND FIRST LORD OF THE NEW STAR LEAGUE THE GREAT ALARIC WARD STEINER-DAVION pilots one as his perfect genes were made for it.>>720873642Because every mechwarrior game has to make mechs move like mechanical juggernauts for the sake of gameplayCanonically on the tabletop every fucking mech moves like a living being due to myomer and neural interface.One of the reasons of why the Mad Dog got the name vulture on the IS, is because their walk and run resembled of a Vulture, The Warhawk literally walks like a big bird of prey like Eagles and Hawks, the Dire Wolf is a huge Cassowary, and the Timber Wolf/Mad Cat is a huge ostritch.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bB10PxYwZo0All humanoid mechs walks like humanoids
>>720901516Shadow of Kerensky is fucking great and fixed many of the issues stock mech 5 hadAlso Mods were updated for it as of this week.AS for the Atlas II in OP's picThey literally added the same catch you had in Mech2Mercs to get the free Timber Wolf salvage, you have a specific date and Mission to get that mech prior to the clan invasion
>>720872503>make giant robot>it's just an awkward weapons platform that can trip and fallI don't get the point.
>>720881326Anon, the Shadow Hawk is Bigger.The Shadow Hawk, is Pentagon Wars the Battlemech, his IIC variant and later revisions post Memory Core Helm fixed the problems the original mech had.The Griffin is a better Shadow Hawk, unironically being more used as a grunt frontlines mech due to its reliability and ease of use.>>720882238In making garbage mechs, and making sure you never think of leaving House Liao.>>720898481>pic is going after you.
>>720898481Define reddit
>>720890883What game?
>>720890063>i am gay how did you knowalso>Gay Damn WingHow to to spot the normalfag turned fujofag>>720893287Well praise battletech for literally improving on the original design and keeping the original silhuete.The fact that Japan is ok with the unseen designs since the Sharp and PC-98 game were praised there, and the only asswipes seething over it were HG.Thank god it took the unified autism of Microsoft, Tatsunoko, Big West and CGL Some even say General Motors also had their hands in this since they literally love how Battletech treats the company to fuck them over.
>>720911474>for the sake of gameplayI don't think there's any specific reasons they can't have slow strafing or veering as part of the game instead of forklift movement. Aside from that a lot of fans might get mad for no reason.>>720912993It's not hard to come up with good designs when you're tracing.
I do.SRW Y
>>720912793Wholesome chungus mascot meme, whereas in reality it's a piece of dogshit mech that only the desperate or the insane use for anything.
>>720896429MWO is brutal early on because it is less than 1000 dadmech junkies killing each other on every tier and most are compfags and jarlfagsit doesn't help that Microsoft isn't giving PGI the money to update the game to consoles to give more breath since Cryengine 3 is easy to work with.But then they probably want the 2027 Mechwarrior game to be MWO2.0 + ALl the lessons they learned from Mercs and Clans as SP since there is a push to make all future Battletech and Mechwarrior games follow the ilKhan era.
>>720907629Joana looks like SA SHIT Banks Mone
>>720872503Name ONE good mecha game released this year.
>>720913228spotted the urbanmech rape victim
>>720914067Retarded troontech monkey.
>still seething over being Kwabbed by a Trash Can
>>720914034>this yearmmmm Nyo
>>720912793le quirky funny maymay only for infantile faggots who keep screeching about le funny trashbin while clapping their handsworse yet, since it is so prevalent (as cancer usually is) it gets pushed to the games, see: MWO and it's whole urbanmech retardation.
>>720872681he said MECH NOT MECHAl2read
>>720914034I liked Metal Bringer
>>720913132What tracing?The design is completely new.
>>720917251Yeah, and my OC, Delvin the hedgehog, is completely unique. He shares NO direct legally identifiable parts!
>>720917673The marauder had 4 redesigns by now
>>720917673Do you know even what tracing means chris?The new Marauder design doesn't share any parts with the Glaug Pod. Nor any other mecha or the like.
>>720901073Anon I liked it and 100% it with all steam achievements, but even I admit its the easiest Armored Core to finish.
>>720917830>>720917935Sonichu doesn't actually use any direct elements from any other franchise in his design. He's technically legally distinct, at least purely as a character design. Isn't that nuts?
>>720918545He's also not traced you autist.
>ACfag is now trying to derail this thread with sonichu
>>720918645>LITERALLY trace a design>decades later you make it look slightly more boxyNot traced! Original character, do not steal.
>>720872503Clan Smoke Jaguar did nothing wrong! All kuritans deserve it.
>>720872503Name some good ones OP.
>>720919035>project phoenix is tracedBased retard
I played some Doll's Nest yesterday. I had not played in a few months so i spent a lot of time figuring out what the fuck i was supposed to do. But it was another opportunity to enjoy the mega structure world.
>>720919170Smoked Jaaaaaaaaags are subhumans
>>720919339No, instead it's just really stupid and ugly and everyone hated it so much they actually went back to the traced design.All the reseen fucking sucked lol
>>720919341>Doll's NestPatrician taste
Where is titanfall 3!? I miss piloting my big robots and trying to stop other pilots from stealing my cores!
>>720919601If a game let's me customize my own little loli i am sold
>>720919585So?They are not traced, nor is the nu-Marauder that >>720912993 posted, despite any autistic seething to the contrary.
>>720919551You only saying that because a lot of them are black.
>>720919668>year 2025>still wanting titanfall 3>after everything respawn has doneYou gotta let go man.
Im Just a Sexy Boy!Im not your Boy Toy!
>>720872503Because /v/ is 95% brown nowadays so they don't even know what a mech is. /v/ never actually playing games isn't helping.That said I've been playing the Clan DLC for MW5 Mercs lately with my friends. It's not amazing because it's PGI but what can you do.
>>720919706Isn't there only one blackie shown as part of the jags, or was it two? Not sure if the ilKhan was a jag.
im gonna overheat so fast HUNNNNNNNG
>>720919668>Titanfall 2 sent out to die so their publisher could buy the studio>Put in the GAAS minesI'm not saying it's impossible but if it does happen time and employee turnover will make it different from what you know little dude.
>>720919983Leo Showers was the IlKhan during the invasion. And yes he was a darkie.
>>720919686I wonder why they got sued for tracing then.
>>720920003Worse.It was all Respawns fault. EA didn't feel confident about the release window and wanted to delay the game until some time after CoD, the Respawn suits just insisted on it.EA still bought them and the IP to make a Titanfall 3 only for the studio to can it on their own and deciding to make Apex without informing EA beforehand.Titanfall is the crazy time that EA was the decent fellows.>>720920078So 2 confirmed ones during the Clan Invasion era. That isn't that much for the whole clan.
>>720920003>>720920226Yeah, respawn devs saying outright it was all their decision and they also chose to kill any potential TF3 for Apex instead makes moving on from the series a lot easier. It was doomed in time anyway, so I just appreciate they managed to make something decent for a while.
>>720872503Mechs are not popular with browns and zoomers
>>720920226Ah, my mistake. I just remember the bullet points but didn't follow it closely at the time.
>>720920221They never did get sued for tracing. That's the art of a licensed design which they bought from Macross.Which also has nothing to the current Marauder design which according to you was also traced you goddam chromosome lasagna.>>720920361Well that and them making all those teasers alluding to TF2 after fixing the server and talking about how mcuh they care about the IP only for it all to be about another Apex update.
>>720919907I honestly don't get how you still browse hereI stopped after AC 6 threads died and saw nothing but low effort bait like >>720872681 & >>720874995
>>720920226Jags have an African savannah/ jungle theming so are shown with more blacks than the other clans like how Ghost Bear is Scandi so a bunch of blondes with 'sen 'son 'jorgen names.
>>720881909>>720882463>>720882525metal gear?
>>720920536>That's the art of a licensed design which they bought from MacrossWhich they traced. And then got sued over.
>>720921156Huh, I never realized that but I admittedly was never a clan fan in the past. Truth be told I only warmed up to them after MW5: Clans
https://youtu.be/1scqRZFG6cY?si=P5Sc61xLmRzHIzaPKERENSKY IS DEIFIEDTHE CLANS TELL TALES OF HIMFEW KNOW THE TRUTHHE WAS MORTAL ONCEAS WERE WE ALLHOWEVER, HIS CONTEMPT FOR HUMANITYDROVE HIM TO CREATE ME AND MY BRETHREN
>>720895912atleast you named some bots
>>720921273How do you manage to be this illiterate? Do you have negative IQ?>When FASA created the Battledroids board game in 1984 that would become BattleTech, the designers licensed the rights from Twentieth Century Imports (TCI) to use certain preexisting mecha from the Japanese anime series The Super Dimension Fortress Macross, Fang of the Sun Dougram and Crusher Joe.
>>720921273They bought the right to use some of the models but the company that bought the anime rights for the west decided to drag them into court. It was a case of license confusion and one company acting malicious.
>>720872503Mech games are for children
>>720921740Good>“Critics who treat ‘adult’ as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”>― C.S. Lewis
>>720921538>When FASA created the Battledroids board game in 1984 that would become BattleTech, they traced a bunch of cool animeFixed.>>720921678Wouldn't have been sued if they just made original designs.Granted, I've seen their original designs from the first era, and they all fucking suck lol
don't bother arguing. these are the same retards that'll say "sampling" isn't plagiarism.
>>720920575Sometimes a thread pops up where some old fags congregate and either reminisce about ye olde times or have genuine discussions even. Otherwise it's just boredom and force of habit. I know that almost the entirety of /v/, and other boards for that matter, is pure unfiltered turdworlder shit but it is what it is. I guess I'm still mining for that tiny gold nugget in the sea of shit but it's sometimes worth it. Especially the Dandy threads.
>>720872503but I am
Someone should make a tactical mil-FPS with Mechwarrior's control scheme. Indepedent torso and leg movement is truer to real life but no shooter is designed around it. Like there's not a single FPS that lets you jog with your rifle at eye level.
>>720922213Also doesn't help that other sites can't really replace good threads, no matter how rare they are.
>>720922301I NEED NAME RIGHT NOW
>>720922554That's Mecharashi on steam
>>720872503Because my mods still haven't updated yet.
>>720922615thanks anonski
>>720922375This is correct too. Despite this site's irredeemable shittiness, especially after turdworlders invaded, there's nothing else to replace it with.
>>720875580There's never been a single second of 4chan's history where you wouldn't be considered an outsider faggot for hating anime.
>>720922375>>720923086During the outages recently I went looking for other mecha communities, that aren't just discord or dedicated to one franchise. They basically don't exist. 4chan is the only active, multiple posts a day website with a general mecha community.
>>720920221They were NEVER sued for tracing, who did all of the scummy shit was Harmony Gold hoarding the IP to make that garbage robotech universe that always failed miserably and cockblocked macross of ever getting famous, thus making gundamfaggotry known outside japan.
>>720923279It's a sad state of affairs
>>720922656I know your pain, although I was very happy to see YAML and Coyotes mission mod update pretty quick.
>>720895598Most planets just have garages that build BAR-1 2.5 ton trucks with ICE engines. They fall under mechanized infantry.
>>720923280So what did they sue them for?
>>720923762MUH ROBOTECHWHAT IS MACROSS? NO IS ROBOTECHBATTLETECH? WAIT IS NOT THE DESIGNS WE STOLE FROM THEIR LICENSING AND STUDIO NUE, ROBOTECH IS ORIGINAL!Also all of of the agrama's family involved with the mob in italy and the head of the family, the kike who began this being friends with silvio berlusconi.He also tried to fuck over gundam and other japanese ip's to push the failed robotech shit.
>>720923762The claim that TCI, which distributed model kits for those franchises in the US and though which FASA acquired the rights as intermediary, never was in any position to legal sell these rights.Dubious because TCI at the point the lawsuits started was already defunct this hinges on Harmony Gold being truthful about them having bought sole rights for international distribution.This is further complicated by the fact that those lawsuits ended with prejudice in PGI's, Microsoft's etc. favor.
>>720923989>>720924105Who could've predicted that buying designs that everyone else at the time was also using was going to lead to legal trouble?Transformers was selling jetfire toys. Robotech is on the television. How do you not notice that somehow everyone thinks they have the rights to trace macross and that this might become a problem lol
>>720924639>buying designs that everyone else at the time was also using was going to lead to legal trouble?Because it doesn't?The issue was TCI lying about being able to sell it.If you buy rights to use something it means you are allowed to do it.
Funniest thing about the whole situation was how they actually got Kawamori himself to do the redesigns for the japanese edition of the game. No lawsuits were had.
>like gundam>no good gundam games in the genres i like
>>720923432Yeah, but TTRULEZ and the YAML add-ons still need to get updated. The rest of my mods are superficial and I could go without.
>>720872503Recent mech games I've played vanilla are>MW5Extremely mediocre vanilla and designed to waste your time with how repairs work.A few mods to imp[rove quality of life and the game is much better. Some story missions are still horseshit because the devs think higher difficulty is fucking more tonnage at you.>HBS BattletechVanilla is meat and potatoes tactical turn-based combat that scratches the Battletech itch. The BEX mod is insane for what it does, adding hundreds of mechs and vehicles.
>>720924105It is said that even General Motors got involved in this because all of Tex's troll letters to them during the TTB production ended up with GM's own marketing department and higher ups learning of Battletech and GM's history by being the creators of first portable Fusion Engine Which they are working on it as the Blackjack and the Marauder, and they even answered those saying that they are working on it.>>720925784Back in 2015 with the forbes inteview he wasnt happy because of the entire lawsuit shitshow, but now that all was settled and the only problem now is Big West vs Tatsunoko over the IP.Also Battletech Tabletop and games are selling in japan with the original Unseen designs with praise, even clans got a localization there with japanese text and everything as mercs.Mechwarrior is literally on the otaku radar for obscurities, even Date a Live had a mech 3 arcade cabinet easter egg.>>720925870Their only attempt to make a Mechwarrior Gundam game is at Dreamcast, and it is a good game in a sea of shit.
>>720880765>ammo in legsI hate this gay shit so much.
>>720872681He didn't say mecha you fucking weeb sperg
I play a bit
>>720881909Fuggg i want jumping spider mechs.
>>720927748>spider bots instead of elementals>specifically to break into your cockpit for extra arachnophobia
>>720921275Same I liked killing Kuritans with the jags so mich also loyal end canon end.
>>720929009>LoyalLets see about that and those phone bills.
I do though. Clans was fun, the Ghost Bear DLC was actually kino.
>>720929097We need a comstar game where you're deployed to worlds which did not pay up.
M.A.S.S builder finally left early access after a trillion years. How is it for any anon who's played it?
>>720872704>retardo tanks without tracks>superior mecha
>>720894564Three of them, with the Hermit Crab HMC-13 now as the light version.
>>720929463id play it
>>720929463The current Mechwarrior 5 news timeline ends with the establishment of The Word Of Blake.Previously it ended with the departure of the Outbound Light.We're getting Jihad kino. I can feel it in my balls.
Why do comguards have the best paintscheme bros?
>>720929403>that UIWhy is PGI so inapt? This is not their first game. It's like six different styles and eight different fonts. Jesus Christ.
>>720929097Focht went from looking like Bruce Willis to Shawn Michaels
>>720905780Nightreign should've been an AC game and you know it.
>>720931097man that really would have worked well actually hmmm
>>720891643This still doesn't solve it>Player A has 10 units and LOSES init (meaning has to move first)>Player B has 4 and wins init (meaning moves last)>Player A has to move 6 units>Player A moves their units to completely surround one of player B's units>Player B gets to move>One of his units is completely surrounded and cannot move, it has to stand still>During shooting phase, Player A's units all have +3 or +4 movement modifiers>One of Player B's 4 units has a +0 movement modifier, it couldn't move at all because it's surrounded and blocked>Player A evaporates Player B's unit, Player A has 1 damaged unit in exchange>It is now 10 vs 3The only thing that ever worked against someone abusing the init rules have been mods banning players who do it
>>720895598Tanks take literal months to move around on Earth.A battlemech and dropship are much faster and easier to get around, can travel over any kind of terrain, too.While you've got a garrison of 10 million tanks, there's no reason for your enemy to actually barrel into them while they've got air/space superiority and are moving around your planet at will
>>720929616Last time I played was march last year so about 2 updates behind, but not much changed between then and when I first played in 2020 so I doubt they fixed most issues.I'll give it one last shot now that it's 1.0, but the only thing I have hopes was fixed was the absolutely fucked MTL translation and maybe the story is finished, even though it felt nowhere close to the finale. I doubt they fixed the retarded amounts of grinding you had to do to unlock parts, the combat (similar to Megaton if you played that, for me that's a flaw but YMMV plus I think they reworked it once already), mech building (gameplay wise) is incredibly simplistic with you just stacking either melee or ranged parts with enough health not to die and most parts have the exact same gameplay stats and just differ visually ( for example there's 10 different "machine gun" barrels or "lance" handles but they all function identically and most of your stats will come from not visually represented upgrades like FCS), bosses are massive difficulty spikes but they have few attacks and massive healthbars, so it's just an endurance test of not being hit or grinding to buy the better FCS for higher number of ranged attack and health (I remember running out of ammo on two different bosses)I had the most fun when I gave up on trying to play it and downloaded a 100% save file with all the parts to just fuck around building mechs>TL;DRDecent mech builder (visually) if you're into plastic gunpla aesthetics, awful game
>>720932143Not really fair. The moving tanks part is moving them long distance via train/plane/ship and mechs would be handled the same way. You can dropship tanks too. Would a mech straight up win a under own power race from hong kong to paris? sure, but it's not usually pertinent.
>>720932372You can dropship tanks too, but we're talking about garrisons that can't afford mechs, let alone dropships.and why would you dropship a tank when you can dropship a mech with better mobility?That's the entire advantage mechs have - their mobility. They move across bad terrain faster and more easily than tanks do, they have fusion engines that massively reduce their logistics train, they have dropships that can hop them long distance around a planet. If you are a dirt poor world, and you invest everything into tanks, you have no way to fight against someone with highly mobile mechs and dropships. Which is why everyone with a clue invests in more than just tanks and even dirt poor farmer worlds have their own mech garrisons. Tanks are accessories to mechs in battletech.
>>720929097It will be based Jayden and his star end will be a chad Last Stand on Huntress dropping spheroids left and right. Roaring to the universe as the Gauss Rifles of the EridaniLight Horses mechs hit him on his cockpit.
>>720933293Poor Jayden desu, he deserves better than Smoke Jaguars
>>720933095I mean the setting has a very clear fair tradeoff between mechs and tanks. Tanks are cheaper, simpler to maintain, more readily available and can usually pack more firepower per ton. They are less durable and slower in exchange. But that's their strength, garrisoning stuff. They can still move around a local area pretty fast, sure you can drop your mechs anywhere, but you probably want to drop them on the mech factory, the seat of government, or some other important place, where the tanks can be. Tanks don't have to chase you into the mountains.
>>720933830Another thing is that tanks are inherently heat neutral.Mechs can trade in temporary overheating to put out more damage which tanks are prohibited from.
>>720934343I suppose. Most tanks use ballistic weapons so it's not very relevant though. How many heat sinks does a Schrek have to sink 3 PPCs though?
>>72093467330 single And yes 30 tons of heat sinks just to be able to carry 3 PPCs is rough, especially for a 80 ton tank.
Why is the difficulty in clans so grueling? Mercenaries wasn't like this
>>720873194>Think I'll get BTA:3062 too.Game doesn't really start before BTA.
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>>720872503You actually play it unmodded? What the hell?
>>720934804Honestly one of the more nonsensical tanks. I'd much rather have 3 cheaper, more mobile single PPC carriers.
>>720934945Feels like Mercs was designed around being your first MW game and Clans with the expectation that you already beat 5.
>>720922908>>720922615>Hey, you. The one reading this. Have you *really* ran out of normal games similar to this?>Because before you even consider a gacha game, that is something you need to seriously ask yourself. Gacha games are compromised by design, engineered to wear you down into spending money with stuff like grindy progression, FOMO, stamina limits and fake offers.Honestly I suddenly understood the appeal of gacha games. I just jerk it to hentai but seeing a nice looking mech game made me all excited. Is this how they get their claws into you?
>>720887709https://files.catbox.moe/klkukp.webm
>>720901293based muv luv enjoyer
I don't understand MW5 clans. I skipped it and I am never gonna touch it. Half if not more of the appeal of the game is murdering stuff then removing that laser from the carcass and putting it on your mech. And steadily building up new mechs.
>>720887709Can elementals fly and hover like that? I thought they were more about jumping constantly hence toads.
>>720935098I do to right now.Both to ensure that clan tech has more of an effect and because YAML does remove some uniqueness between chassis.
>>720935427Well it's more than just that, after mission 14 it seems their idea of difficulty is to swarm you with lance after lance after lance of assault mechs reinforced with VTOL's and tanks. And you're lucky if you get one repair bay or ammo crate. It's insane. It's like the only practical way to play is stack lasers and heat sinks while hiding behind a cliff
>>720935778>uniqueness between chassis.I had that idea for BTA which the guy of course wasn't interested in. Mechlabs should have a restriction on cores where you can only put something like +- 10 to the default rating of the core. So shadowhawk with 275 can only use 265 or 295. You can then adjust it slightly if you need to but you can't turn an urbie into a javelin.Actually never mentioned that to the yaml guy maybe he would be interested.
>>720935272That's why most tanks use missiles/auto cannons combined with combustion. engines to avoid paying out of the ass for heat sinks.Doesn't help that iirc that when crits damage the sinks they have to cease using weapons to avoid generating heat.
>>720934945>Why is the difficulty in clans so grueling?Because you're supposed to use a dire wolf the moment you get one and never leave it
>>720872503Name some single-player ones, not interested in MP
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>>720936148Certainly should work well as a start up option for YAML.Maybe even add in permissions for it so later you can do +-15 and then +-20.One thing is also that in vanilla a large slot can only hold one weapon no matter the size instead of the weapon amount + internal space.
>>720936109I HATE PIGI HATE PIGI HATE PIG
>>720872681Based, fuck westernniggers
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>>720936109Mechwarrior 4 gameplay looks better than this overrated garbage mod.
>>720936554post it
>>720872503Mechwarrior is too slow, AC is too fast.I want something between.
for me? it's the bushwacker
>>720936705Heavy gear 1 and 2
>>720936914RACwhacker is based.
>>720936914Fantastic taste, anon. But it's not the one and only Awesome.
>>720936554>>720936589I'll help youhttps://files.catbox.moe/2k91af.webmhttps://files.catbox.moe/9mkix0.mp4
>>720936914>he's whacking it in the bushesIt's a great mechFor me it's the Pillager.>>720937101Best intro tech option imo
>>720885842>Open world RPGI don't have high hopes honestly. Though if they can pull off multi-vehicles and on-foot infantry mechanics in a satisfying way then this might be the type of game that G-nome and Titanfall bros are seeking. But for a new studio I have the feeling they're biting off more than they can chew. Also >UE5
>>720936369Sent it to him. Will be interesting to see what he says. Also to be fair MW5 is much better than BTA in this regard with hero quirks. While they don't do much they are pretty genius way to make sure you kinda stick to the original plan for the mech.
>>720935427Nothing could top Pirates Moon in absolute bullshit outside of maybe Armored Core Last Raven. Clans can't be that hard.
>>720937879You play Clans on CLAN rules translated into a game.You will play as a clanner by force, even in modifications and so on.Even Ghost Bear and OG Mech 2 had that, and ghost bear was soul crushingly HARD
>>720937659UE5 is fine. More than fine, actually. It just needs devs to stop fucking up and actually do some optimization for once. When they do, it looks and runs great.
>>720937060i was hoping for 1 & 2 to get a rerelease that actually works on modern pc when they announced the new game
