According to Nintendo, dumping a ROM you paid for onto your own computer for personal use is illegal. You don't do this criminal act, do you?https://www.nintendo.com/au/legal/nintendo-intellectual-property/
No I pirate them from torrent sites like a good boy.
>/au/Australia is a parody of a country
>>720878181Nintendo saying it's illegal doesn't make it illegal. It may incidentally be illegal in Australia, but not because Nintendo says so. Nintendo is not a legislative body.It's a moot point though. Practically nobody actually owns cartridge-dumping hardware. Almost everyone just downloads ROMs. The only reason to be claiming that dumping is illegal is to eliminate ROM downloaders' plausible deniability. But if it's true that dumping your own carts is illegal then there's no possibly legitimate use for an emulator and Australia should just outlaw emulation if Nintendo isn't lying.
I don’t care what a Jap says about my American activities.
>>720878181According to the God-blessed United States of America, it's not illegal.
>>720878181Seems fair to me. You own a copy. That doesn’t give you the right to make multiple copies. You don’t own the IP. Nintendo needs to take this to court and finally put all the poorfag brown pirates in their place. /v/ in particular would go into meltdown mode which would be glorious.
>>720878181that is explicitly legal
>>720879032konnichiwa
>>720879032>buy one copy of a PC game on a disc>can't play it without installing it i.e. copying the disc's contents onto the hard driveAh, I see now why PC game publishers all switched to digital distribution. Installing a physical copy of a legally purchased PC game was literally stealing. Everyone who played PC games before Steam belongs in prison.
>>720879106What a complete fucking waste of money, and I say this having bought a $3000 vr headset.
>>720878181I have the explicit right to create additional copies of my games for preservation because I live in a "socialist hellhole" or whatever mutts call it
>>720878181has anyone here actually ever copied their own rom? ever? even once?
Is wii emulation safe if the 'circumvention' device is a disc drive
>>720879682Is that the Apple one? The one with no games?
>>720878181According to me copyright is illegal and violates free speech and freedom of the press, check.We're ostensibly not living in an autocratic society where reducing the amount of publishers to a handful of technically culpable elites is a desirable outcome, since the society we are masquerading as does not fear criticism by the people, checkmate.>>720879032Printing press licenses or copyright still make exceptions for making your own backups.
>>720878181I don't see anything about that specifically on the Dutch version of the website:https://www.nintendo.com/nl-nl/Wet-en-regelgeving/Intellectuele-eigendom/Beleid-ten-aanzien-van-het-intellectuele-eigendom-625951.htmlhttps://www.nintendo.com/nl-nl/Wet-en-regelgeving/Copyright/Copyright-625949.htmlI guess it's legal to dump ROMs over here.
>>720880972Of course not officer.
>>720878181It is, you don't own the rights to the game.
>>720878181Afaik personal archive copies aren't illegal unless you distribute them of course
>>720880972I have a GBA cartridge dumper
>>720878181My federal legal right is that once I buy a game I'm allowed to pirate/emulate it unlimited times as long as I want for the rest of history. I bought copies of games back in the 80s which means I can pirate roms of them as much as I want now.
In the DMCA the interoperability clause supersedes the anti-circumvention clause. That is you have the right to circumvent copy protection in order to get something you've licensed running on a system other than what the original publishers intention was.Squarely dumping a rom and getting it running on a computer is almost exactly what the interoperability clause is all about. Nintendo is using weasel words about "circumvention devices" because the courts have found in their favor for things like flashcarts because flashcarts are seen as "has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under (the DMCA)". But those aren't dumping devices and those haven't gone to court ever. A small child could tell you the difference between a device intended for playback and a device intended for copying. Nintendo is deliberately conflating the two while they know they aren't the same thing.
>>720882572>Nintendo is using weasel words about "circumvention devices"They're correct though. There's many countries with stipulations where circumventing copy protections is actually illegal (criminal) and not just copyright infringement (civil). You can tell that Nintendo is saying funny words or that they're being mean, but there's clearly legal frameworks that supports Nintendo.
>>720878181>According to Nintendo>Australianot in my country :^)sorry ausfailians are rapidly accelerating toward a police state where they have to bum a loicnese from the local copper to turn off the mandatory body camera to take a shit
>>720879106MY LIFE IS LIKE A VIDEO GAMETRYING HARD TO BEAT THE STAGE
>>720878897>But if it's true that dumping your own carts is illegal then there's no possibly legitimate use for an emulator and Australia should just outlaw emulation if Nintendo isn't lying.They can't do that because Nintendo, themselves, emulate. They have released multiple games that are just cartridge dumps from popular ROM sites with an open-source emulator thrown in, against the emulator's licensing btw. Nintendo is in this retarded position where they benefit the most from it but also try to crack down on it because they are a company of contradictions and they don't care. Retards will buy their shit anyway.
>>720882809I explained in detail why they aren't correct. There are carve outs for circumvention in the law and they are conflating flash carts with dumpers which have never been legally tested in the US since the DMCA was passed.
>>720880972I've dumped my own PS2 games before.
>>720882809> There's many countries lmfaohahahahahahahathe DMCA is an american law. so on most of 4chan, no, they have no right. they don't have any right anyway because they also circumvent their own hardware by running emulators. they've released multiple games that are just emulators packaged in to run their own games on older hardware. and if any of this anti-circumventing legislation in any of these other countries like Australia get enforced: they get fucked too. they're objectively breaking the law they claim they have every right to enforce.https://www.dexerto.com/gaming/official-nintendo-museum-appears-to-use-emulators-to-run-its-games-2942205/
>>720880972No, but I've ran my PS2 games on emulator using the disc.
>>720883045like all things in lifelike all things in existencelike all things since the beginning of timelike all things in all universes like all things that have or ever will be from beginningto endit's Ok when Nintendo does it.
>>720882572why the fuck did Yuzu fold so easily to themit sounds like they would've won that court battle with nintendo
>>720883196because the fuckwits developing yuzu kept telemetry data on all their users so nintendo could just request that data and then determine what percentage of people were actually dumping their own roms and how many were using the same copy of the game.
>>720884125probably all of them were doing the latter mind you.
>>720884125>kept telemetry data on all their userswhat? WHAT?!
>>720884125>>720884175>nintendo has yuzu telemetry >nintendo has official store data>nintendo would have a complete understanding on the actual relationship between piracy and game sales>nobody else>nintendo won't ever share this data
>>720880972I've dumped some Wii disks using USBLoader, as well as 3DS and Switch carts using CFW.
>>720878181no, i don't play shittendo games
This is why +NIGGER license is so important.
>>720884495Meant for >>720882938
Being gaijin shourd be irregar.
Reminder that stealing Nintendo is always morally correct
I don't need to dump ROMs of my own games because some third world retard has already done it for me if I ever need the ROM of a game
How many of you have dumped ROMs?
>>720878181keeping a backup copy is technically legal, but the only ways to rip them is through illegal meanscopyright laws are retarded
>>720878181I bought and own the game. They can fucking suck my cock.
>>720878181i am brown indian and i am going to japan and get into nintendoi will be making your next mario and zelda gamesi will also be making both link and mario indian just to spite you timmy dalits
Here's probablly what Nintendo's argument is:Modern game data is encryptedDumping a modern ROM needs dumped keys to decrypt itDMCA says unauthorized circumvention of encryption is illegalDumped keys are not authorized by Nintendo and decrypting game data is not authorized by Nintendo>but Nintendo emulates ROMsBecause Nintendo authorizes themselves to decrypt/emulate or they strike a deal with the license holder if it's a third party game
>>720878181Parse it legally buddyDMCA clearly states circumventing copy protection / DRM is illegalSo is:- making a tool available (not private for you only) to do so- sharing that tool with anyone- selling that toolIn order to take advantage of the DMCA literally all they have to do to claim it's protected is make it require some form of permission (a key) to decrypt your gameThe exemption for archival backups was TEMPORARY and did not persist past the three years it was in force
>>720878181Depends on country.Usually there's some law permitting to make backup copies clashing with shit like DMCA that makes it a crime to circumvent copy protection.
>>720878897>But if it's true that dumping your own carts is illegal then there's no possibly legitimate use for an emulatorIncorrect.Homebrew games and using emu as a cheap replacement for 'real' dev unit are legitimate uses.
Bro just delete within 24 hours ez
>>720878181Well then it's too bad that:1. I'd never buy a ROM for a nintendo game, since I'm not livestock2. I don't care what nintardo execs think
>>720879106Why is the camera so shaky?
>>720883045sorry, i hate nintendo too, but how are they breaking the law? can't they just give themselves the authorization to emulate their own games?
>>720892382they are using open source non-commercial-friendly licensed emulators, that they did not write, in a commercial context
>>720883196Yuzu was just a Yakuza marketing front to pump Nintendo's public image by constantly releasing updates on Nintendo games, constantly showcasing performance on a device that looks very similar to the Switch and making money that was later laundered back into Nintendo's pocket by the lawsuit. >>720884293Why would they ever release data showing that piracy boosts sales? Their status as a publisher will always require them to whine about piracy to prop up the failed publishing business model and tweak government bureaucracy in their favor as a way to lock legitimate competition out of their market. Publishing is a failed industry that makes money off of rent-seeking, non-productive behavior and is kept from total market collapse by overbearing government legislation, monopoly and bureaucracy.>>720892382Copyright in America is constitutionally only granted for limited times, so it must reflect the original 14+14 year duration of American copyright.
>>720878181They're technically not wrong, it is illegal in Japan. It's not in the US, but they never specify where it is illegal.
