Who do girlbosses appeal to?Not women, every gamer girl I know wants to be a pretty princesses wearing pretty dressesNot men, because they want sexy girlsYet they are every female character in every game. Do they hate money
>>720889497>who do barefoot asian girls appeal toftfy
>>720889497Me
>>720889497they're always self inserts and there will always be niggerfaggots with shit taste that fawn over them
>>720889497Why are you people freaking out over Lune? She was basically an autistic mess who coped by focusing on protocols and THE MISSIONEven then she let herself fall for the traitor
>>720889750feet
>>720889497Lune femdoms me with her Asian girl feet and I don’t even care.
>>720889497>Who do girlbosses appeal to?Manlets, every single timeIt was the exact same with Lady Dimitriescu
>>720889750She was a less amusing, and less sexy Twilight Sparkle
Only yellow fever subhumans care about this character. Become a honest sex tourist and fuck off from /v/ forever.
>>720889750asian feet
>>720891839>>720889497
>>720891797I am a yellow fever tourist but she is too haglike
>>720889497feet
>>720889497It's about social conditioning. You ever wonder why women are so touchy feely with each other even when straight? Women are in fact sexualized in the media. Not in the retarded feminist sense that it makes women feel inadequate but in the sense that even women are conditioned to understand the attraction of the female body. Victorian women did not behave this way.
>>720891562That's not a fair standard. Twilight only loses out to rainbowdash for desirable.
>>720889497>Who do girlbosses appeal to?Jews
>>720889750The game has very little woke content so we have to grasp at straws.+ Girlboss Lune (is not actually that bossy).+ Africans are in the game even though the game's development didn't involve a single Black person.+ Dialog about cuddling with Monoco is the only gay content (revealed that he is a representation of the family dog).+ The only woman you can romance is of course the one of a different race and she dismisses you when hearing her husband might be revived.+ Sciel forced to be brown skinned in her still image portrait even though she looks nowhere near that brown during gameplay.Anything I missed.
>>720889497people who write them
>>720889497she's no girlboss she got deleted by king verso.>TOMORROW COM...ACK!!!
>>720895115>he picked the bad ending
>>720889497It's there for the weirdos who want everything to be political and so they can sit there and simper with their nervous grins and posture about how they're an example of "positive masculinity"In short, the people who make these obnoxious characters in the first place.
>>720889497Lune isn't a girlboss
>>720889560Me
>>720896391In the other ending she bears his child while Verso would much rather be dead
>>720893694The whole game is tranny-coded
>>720897569Your mom is tranny-coded.But seriously touch grass
>Who do girlbosses appeal to?30-40 year old childless "career women" in the final stages of their coping about inevitably becoming lonely cat ladies.
>>720889497lune isn't a girlboss doeshe barely does anything on her own plot-wise and most of the decisions are made by gustav, verso or maelle
>>720889497I DUNNO, LETS ASK DISNEYhttps://www.culturcidal.com/p/disneys-boy-trouble
>>720897626It really does have a faggoty atmosphere. Probably because all the characters are so weepy and pathetic
>>720892870horse planning is like UHH I'M GONNA EAT ALL OF THAT
>>720899109>>720892870
>>720889497>Lune>girlbossFaggot
>>720889750She's a shit character like Sciel. At least they're hot though
Lune isn't a girlboss, she just has the generic girlboss pose.>>720893694You can bang Lune too if that's what you mean with romance
>>720900047He did that on purpose fucking prick
>>720900047What a dick
>>720900047nooooooooooo
>>720900365>You can bang Lune too if that's what you mean with romanceI didn't know that. Do you need to turn down Sciel to get that option?
>>720901067I banged sciel and turned her down afterwards yea
>>720900047
>>720901217Interesting, I only got a dialogue with Lune saying that she knew me and Sciel had been sneaking off. No option to bang Lune.This game does romance so much better than any AAA title the last 10 years.
>>720901217Sciel is the best option because she just wants to fuck.
>>720889497>all women are exactly like this because I say so>all men are exactly like this because I say so
>>720889497>Who does this appeal toConsidering she's the most popular character, a lot of people. It can't just be the feet.>Don they hate moneyApparentky not considering how much the game's sold
>>720901749Yea she is, also more attractive than Lune even though I have yellow fever. >>720901359She says she saw you sneaking off but she also asks you if you want to help "compose a song" in some quiet part of the forest.
>>720889497>girlbossesCan you guys start using this word correctly please? Characters like Rapunzel are girlbosses. Not the kind of characters you are bitching about.
>>720896391>Fell for the writers grandschemeIt's been months, anon. Everyone considers Alicia's ending thr bad one, including the devs.
>>720902536>She says she saw you sneaking off but she also asks you if you want to help "compose a song" in some quiet part of the forest.Now I wonder if I picked a wrong option somewhere but I was sure I didn't.>>720903025I was just joking, her continuing to live a make-belief life and forcing Verso to do what she want was clearly intentionally made out to be the bad ending.
>>720889497ASIAN GIRLINTELLIGENTLUSTING OVER BWCN-NICE TO ME (caucasian male)
>lune>girlbossthanks. it's not even noon yet and i have already been given my daily reminder not to take this board seriously
>>720902536>Yea she is, also more attractive than Lune even though I have yellow fever.She is one of my favorite characters and does have a very attractive and charming personality but there's no way you think she's prettier than Lune.
>>720889497How exactly is Lune a "girlboss". I just saw her as one of the side characters in a videogame
>>720889497my wife Lune isn't a girlboss
>>720901359you can romance Lune or Sciel, not both.
>>720904483Nta (I find Lune the prettiest) but I can understand why someone might prefer Sciel. There are some famous actresses with her phenotype
>>720889497No girlboss in expedition 33, part of why the game is so good, they're just well written characters.
>>720904682this is what i assumed but >>720902536 confused me, saying you can get it on with both.perhaps you can do so if you cut it off with Sciel after the first time?
>>720904682Makes me feel sick when the psychopath Verso starts flirting with the people he's trying to kill.
>>720904483I really liked how each character had their own distinct personality and approach to the expedition. Just fantastic writing that we don't see enough of this quality.
>>720904790you must have a high threshold of what a girlboss is. she is literally the leader of the expedition and she acts like a man when gustave is about to kill himself.
>>720904864that's why they like him, dark triad shit
>>720904945Lune is not the leader. Talking someone down from suicide is not "manly" you fucking retard cuck.
>>720904945Lune just doesn't want to die and see the mission through. Sciel is accepting of her fate. It's not girlboss to convince someone not to kill themselves lmao.
>>720889750asian mostly. trips to japan ruined me, and opened my eyes to the fact everyone here is an obese monstrosity. the feet are nice too
>>720904945A woman isn't a girlboss just because she doesn't instantly fall into despair and give up on life when a man dies
>>720889497feminists, duh
>>720889497I just arrived and it's probably been mentioned several times but Lune is not like that at all.Girlbosses are usually in American or British productions, whether films or video games. Black women are often like this in American medias
>>720889560Literally me
Do people here think "girlboss = woman that isn't a totally incompetent pathetic mess of a human"
>>720905073Why did you get angry? Watch a let's play if you have forgotten that she acts like a man/girlboss.>>720905090>>720905130I'm just informing you in what part of the game she acts like a girlboss, if you don't see it well have fun with that.It's nowhere near as bad as in other games.
>>720905278A better question is what do YOU think a girlboss is...?
>>720889750The people freaking out over her are autistic messes who can't understand that. All they saw was her disagreeing with the protagonist once and had a melty.
>>720903025No.
>>720904945>literallyAlways comes before some horseshit. How does it work? She is not the leader. >she acts like a manTelling somebody to not kill themselves is not reserved to men.
>>720905427>she acts like a girlbossThat doesn't qualify as girlboss.>>720905524When I think of a girlboss, characters like Nadine from Uncharted 4 come to mind. It's typically somewhat meta because it's not as much about them being confident or strong or whatever. It's more about them making the men around them look like retards in comparison. Tifa is very strong but she is not a girlboss for example.
>>720889497Me. They're hot.
>>720905524It's whenever a male character gets criticized or disagreed with or has any flaws. Male characters aren't allowed to be human. They need to be perfect and never fail. You retards are just the mirror version of the girlboss foids.
>>720905716Girlbosses are sassy, especially towards men, those darn men think they're the best at everthing, well look at me I'm the smartest/strongest whatever and men are just jealous of me.
>>720889497>Lune>girlbossYou fucking niggers don't even know what the buzzwords you're spewing mean.
they can girlboss as long as they make my dick hardi don't make the rules ...
>>720905705whoops, i was thinking to myself "should i skip literally"? i know some people get triggered by it. but she is LITERALLY the leader of the expedition so i left it in there. dang it.>Telling somebody to not kill themselves is not reserved to men.again, watch a let's play of the first 5% of the game if you've forgotten how she acted. it's ok to forget.>>720905716>>720905815she gives out orders and acts in a way that doesn't sound feminine. that's a girlboss to me.seems like you guys think a girl must be condescending to classify as a girlboss but i think acting like a man is enough.
>>720905897Sometimes I suspect people use these words incorrectly to make anyone who uses them seem retarded.
>>720906073>she gives out ordersBecause she's a solider and combatant, not because she just loves bossing people around or something. >seems like you guys think a girl must be condescending to classify as a girlboss Nope. It's about how they compare to the local men and their overall presentation. Typically a girlboss character is written intentionally to make some sort of feminist statement. And Lune does not act like a man
>>720905548>All they saw was her disagreeing with the protagonist once and had a meltyThis is true, and Gustave was being retarded.
>>720905090Lune is peak asian, Asian parents with asian education so she's objective-driven and prone to falling for Verso's bullshit. A Girlboss wouldn't have such faults.
>>720901749>I LOVE MY HUSBAND I MISS HIM SO MUCH>5 seconds after meeting a guy>Hey handsome wanna fuck?
>>720906142There are definitely some who do that. But the majority of them are just people who don't know what they're talking about
>Expedition 33 fans forcing themselves to pretend Sciel and Lune are attractive so they dont look like chud bigot weirdos
>>720906915they are attractive tho, maybe you're just too coombrained
>>720889497Were you lucky enough to snag a limited Lune necklace?
>>720907038>they are attractive, you just have high standardsSo they are unattractive. Got it
>>720907101unless lune comes with it, i dont care
>>720889497I cum (foutre) on her tight yellow pussy.
>>720907384>tight
>>720906498women shouldn't be soldiers or combatants, that in of itself is woke, but if they are they shouldn't be giving out orders. it's terrible enough for morale to have women beside you. unfortunately media have normalized this shit since the 90s
>>720907384>for those who cum after
>>720889497>Do they hate moneyNo, it's you the one they hate, and they are willing to lose money to spite you
Do girlbosses date shotas?
>>720907492'For those who come after' has a completely new meaning now.
>>720889497>girlbossnu4chan really loves Twitter Newspeak and absolutely hates the concept of not sounding like blue haired women.Then again. this place slurps up shit like Deltatroon.
>>720907481Calling that woke is a bit of a presentism, but I know what you mean. But this is where we will agree to disagree. A woman character as solider or combatant is not inherently girlboss.
>>720889497Well executed strong female characters are hot. That’s the main reason they’re there.
>>720907798Thanks for explaining the joke
>>720889497reminder that sciel is best girl
>>720893694Sciel is white. She’s just got a tan because she’s a farm girl.If you’ve ever been to France, you’ll know a lot of white girls there have tanned skin.
>>720907481>muh normalizeFictional media does, or used to, do shit for the sake of being cool or hot.It's another thing that you American zoomers and millennials are incapable of telling fiction apart from reality.Thankfully, the world is moving on from America.
>>720908096>Thankfully, the world is moving on from America.Is that really a good thing, considering the state of Europe right now?
>>720908096>the world is moving onwhere is it going?
>>720889750>>720891839>>720892092>>720903320thats a man and youre gay
>>720889497I'm not a waifufag, and if I had a top 100 of my favourite female characters, she probably wouldn't be in the top 50, but she has probably the most beautiful face I've seen in a video game.
>>720908202Europe will eventually make peace with Russia and live on.>>720908232Culturally? Away from Americans, they are all schizos, even the ones who hate trannies.
>>720889497>Who do girlbosses appeal to? My sfm porn
>>720908019She really is. I love that she makes purityfags seethe and she’s based for being explicitly pro-natalist. She’s stronger than Lune from a gameplay perspective too. Easily one of the top 3 strongest party members in the game next to Maelle and Verso.
>>720908251Ah the quintessential Amerimutt ritual post, that obvious woman is a man.This is why everyone cheers when there's a school shooting in the US
>>720908019>>720908349She literally cheats on her husband
>>720908405You can’t cheat on a dead person.
As waifus I dislike both of them personally, they want to fuck Verso which ruins them for me.
>>720908298Europeans should focus more on their migration and cultural identity crisis before anything else. I don't see you guys leaving NATO any time soon anyway so Russia is long shot
>>7209084631.) She still loves him2.) She knows he can be brought back
>>720908373Why are you acting like Western Europe isn't overrun with LGBTQ+ shit too lol
>>720908626>LGBTQ+See? You americans are such inherent faggots that even in 4chan you use Twitter Newspeak.
>>720908538NATO is dead and useless, it's a matter of time before it's death is made official.
>>720889497Lune is autistic more than being girlboss.
>>720908717I am from eastern europe and even here the journalists and politicians openly say the translated version of LGBTQ all the timeAre you some american who has delusions about the fatherland?
>>720908808I'm Russian, and I find it pathetic that 4chan is full of numales like you who go>OG MY LGBTQ+ TRANS POC CISGENDERPeople who use this type of Newspeak should be dismembered
>>720908349>She’s stronger than Lune, next to Maelle and Verso.Enter! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1G9ReKitMg
>>720908540Verso competes in a different event.Sciel just manages to compartmentalize.Love for her husband, Pierre, and Verso's hard cock.
>>720908051even if that's true (it's not) the portrait is not matching the skin color during game play, and no it's not just lightning conditions
>>720889497I think E33 is overrated shit for people who pretend to like JRPGs but don't really like them. I also actually played the game which is why I know Lune is not a girlboss. Not even a little bit. If anything, you could MAYBE argue that Clea was a girlboss.
>>720908540She dumps Verso when she learns he can be brought back.Plus, you’re never NOT going to stop loving a dead spouse, but you can move on.
>>720908717That's not twitterspeak, that's just want the term is. What the fuck are you talking about dude. Would what Im trying to convey be any different if I called them the alphabet gang or something? Would you prefer that? You know what the fuck im talking about you dipshit.
>>720908902Can't beat the feet
>>720908902maybe they should have made the break-bar longer and longer for each stun, even if it's just 10%, to try and avoid enemies being permastunned
>>720909002>She dumps Verso when she learns he can be brought back.Except she still wants to fuck him one more time even after learning he's coming back.
>>720909019Call them faggots, talk like a man.
>>720908791Everyone knows that except retards who didn't play the game and just wanna participate in threads about "popular game I will chime in on even though I don't really care about and have no intentions on playing"
>>720908928>It’s not cheating because he was hot and she was emotionalFound the womyn>>720909002So she loved him but still wanted to fuck other men? What difference does his death even mean then?
>>720909180>Found the womynThat's actually the logic men in high positions use to justify seeing prostitutes.
>>720905615Except he said that to someone who thought Verso did something bad. Verso is the hero and Alicia the villain, it's that simple
>>720908984I love E33 and I've finished a 3-digit number of JRPGs.>you could MAYBE argue that Clea was a girlbossThe problem is that generally a "girlboss" should be shown being more competent than her male allies (defeating male enemies doesn't work, of course, because that's pretty much every female vidya character), and Clea doesn't really have scenes like that, even though it's easy to imagine her doing it, considering her personality.
>>720909152It doesn't matter. Anyway the point was that if you live in Western Europe, criticizing America as if we're the sole participant in all this weird trans and gay shit is ridiculous.
>>720909180I’m pretty sure if you loved someone, you wouldn’t want them to be lonely and depressed when you’re dead. Women remarrying after the death of their husband has been a thing for centuries— even in the most patriarchal societies.
>>720909284Yeah? You mean men that everyone objectively hates for being terrible people?…except for women. Hmm…
>>720909352A lot of people use the term “girlboss” to talk down any female character with any degree of competency. A girlboss =/= a strong and capable female character. The difference is that the latter is a cool character who just so happens to be a girl, whereas a girlboss is an obnoxious and preachy character who only exists to make feminist talking points, all while not being allowed to showcase any weakness or negative qualities.
>>720909352>I love E33 and I've finished a 3-digit number of JRPGsThen you probably think FFX is good. Or you're that idiot that posts screencaps of random untranslated games that you can hardly read for the sole purpose of saying you've played a lot of JRPGs.
>>720908984Clea is just borderline evil
>>720909180I am quite the purityfag. But widows having to stay alone for the rest of their lives is just sad. Doesn't feel right. Same for widowers.
Time to add 'girlboss' to the filter.
>>720910074She's not evil, she's just grumpy that a rivaling family killed her brother, all while her family continues to die playing make-believe in a painting he made.
>>720908232China
>ctrl f girlboss
>>720910265wh-what's in china, anon?
>>720910265China is not compatible with Western European insanity.
>>720910217She tortures the fading boy as well as painted Clea, creates monsters who kill people. Very awful person.
>>720910217Look what she did to painted Clea and her bf.
>>720909938Actually, I think FFX is only okay, I'd put it above I, II, III, XIII-2, LR and XV, but below others, including XIII.And yes, I am that idiot who proved to you that he finished a lot of JRPGs, including some untranslated ones, which is more than you did by only talking big and proving nothing. And of course you know that I "can hardly read" in Japanese, because uhhhh.... because I like a game that you don't like, which means I must be stupid, ugly, lonely, poor and so on, huh?And I reached the end of Popolocrois (which you recommended yourself) by skipping all text, just so I could pretend to know Japanese. If you've played the game, you will know that this webm is from the Epilogue. Again, I'm proving I finished a JRPG, which is more than you have ever done. For all I know, you may never have played a video game in your life.
>>720910361Covid 20
>>720889497*To whom do girlbosses appeal?
>>720908513It's not like they have many more options after Gustave died since Esquie and Monoco probably don't have dicks.
>>720910705>And I reached the end of Popolocrois (which you recommended yourself) by skipping all text, just so I could pretend to know JapaneseI believe it. Glad you finally fumbled through a good game instead of GBA shovelware. And one of the reasons I know you don't know moon is because you played mountains of trash without ever having heard of the Popolocrois series despite the PS1 games being popular and highly rated in Japan. People who know moon read Japanese sites and forums, and those people are familiar with popular old JRPGs. E33 sucks and is aimed at people who pretend to like JRPGs. Your taste is still shit, as evidence by you putting FFX above the original trilogy and XIII above anything at all.
>>720910217She's objectively sadistic, but it's basically the same kind of evil sadism as deleting the ladder when your sims are in the pool.We have a poor sense of perspective since the whole game takes place in the painting and all these characters seem real to us. And maybe they are, but she doesn't see them that way and she's having a little fun while trying to be the only responsible one.
>>720889497>Who do girlbosses appeal to?me, i want to have sex with themthanks for asking!
>>720911256If she truly believe they're not conscious then she can claim ignorance for her cruelty that is true.
>>720889497Ngl I'd eat her pussy, suck on her toes then doggy her while pulling on her hair. This is my image of happiness.
>>720889497I don’t know but Lune is not a girl-boss.She is a parent-cuck and canonically fails her mission.
>Whole city is out to see the expedition off>Defeat paintress>Come back to 30 people celebrating on the docks
>>720889497Lemme guess, a girl said no to you once so you decided to make this thread.
>>720911593I would have sex with her in the wilderness then kill her and myself
>>720911063I had known Popolocrois before you mentioned it. But it wasn't near the top of my list of games to play. And I don't play games just because they're popular.And again, you project, create a person in your head and then bask in your superiority to that person. And again, you've never proved that you had played a single JRPG in your life, therefore I will still keep assuming that I'm your senior when it comes to the genre.Thanks for mentioning Wild Arms though, feels nice to replay after such a long time. Popolocrois was fun and had soul, but not in a single aspect was it better than E33, by the way.
>>720904483>>720908019I literally forgot she existed. I now remember early polls where she always polled at the bottom KEK.
>>720911461She doesn't have to claim shit. She's like Sid in toy story. Her art is in doing fucked-up shit to toys, but they're just fucking toys. Woody is the shithead for gaslighting humans into thinking he's nonsentient and then trying to traumatise a kid when all of a sudden he doesn't like how he's being played with.Fortunately there's no comeuppance for Clea, who similarly did nothing wrong.
>>720911934They're conscious being and she is sadistic to them. It's not even up for debate the game makes it clear that they are conscious being with free will.
Why does he have no face?
>>720911796>And again, you projectLooks like your understanding of English is as bad as your understanding of Japanese. If I found out about Popolocrois from reading Japanese sites and forums and said that you didn't do that, then by definition I can't be projecting.>Popolocrois was fun and had soul, but not in a single aspect was it better than E33, by the way.Wrong, but that's because you like bad games for people who don't like JRPGs.
>>720912052It seems to be some kind of default way of presenting for painters in canvases? Aline looks the same and so does Versos soul fragment.
>>720912179Here, play your first JRPG. Open wide.
>>720912179Not him, but E33 is an 8/10 at least. It has its problems, but it’s a solid game. It’s the same as many other JRPGs. The only difference is that there’s no weeb aesthetic.
>>720912409>It’s the same as many other JRPGs.Its FFX mashed up with some Persona and Elden Ring with a French aesthetic. That makes it a solid 6.
>>720912409>>720912510Give me a JRPG that has a story that comes close to E33. Because I haven't seen any.
>>720908272>>720907747>>720903320>>720892092>>720891839Made for merciless throatfucking
>>720912681What do you think is good about E33's story? It's pretty underwhelming, especially after act 2 ends. Melancholy and suffering doesn't magically make writing good. The expedition at the start was interesting. The family drama wasn't.
>>720889497Men who dream of girls who aren't useless
>>720906915lune is the best thing to happen to video games in a long time
>>720912931All the characters are very well written, interesting motivations and emotional depth etc. Dialogue is great, beautiful scenes.
>>720910443Yeah, they have their own insanity, which is even worse. I can't wait to see people cannibalizing each other on the streets of Beijing.
the amount of seething expedition 33 causes with browns and autists is beautiful
>>720906915>pretendSciel, yes. Lune, no.
>>720912692daily creampies while kissing in missionary
>>720913153You just said a bunch of generic fluff, and I have no idea how you can pretend everyone is well written when Lune and Sciel fall off a cliff in relevancy after the half way point on top of not even reacting to the fact that they're part of a painting world. Sounds like you're either a braindead fanboy/shill, or someone who thinks that not having clearly defined good and evil makes a story thought provoking. The dialogue itself is hit or miss with too many instances of "relatable millennial conversations." And let's not even get into how magically stupid everyone becomes when Verso shows up and how they trust him like idiots and don't question his timing or motives. And no, Lune making a self aware comment about not trusting him one time doesn't make it okay.
>>720912931It's interesting for all the ways it didn't go wrong. Pulling off a story about painters who can enter their paintings is hard. Most writers would fail. In the gaming world, that's downright unique.
>>720913586>fall off a cliff in relevancy after the half way pointStop pretending the last 5% of the game is half the game.Sciel, as a matter of fact, is well written abd her relationship with verso is extremely interesting in general.
>>720913921>on a basic conceptual level, the story is about entering a man made world and it didn't go full retardThat doesn't make it good. That makes it not terrible.>>720914060>Stop pretending the last 5% of the game is half the gameI'm not. The painter family drama isn't the last 5% of the game, it's the entire back half of the game.>Sciel, as a matter of fact, is well written abd her relationship with verso is extremely interesting in general.How the fuck is she well written? Her relationship with Verso is physical attraction and nothing else, and despite supposedly loving her husband so much that she'd happily sacrifice Verso to bring him back, she still wants to fuck Verso even after finding out her family is coming back to life. Where's the good character? Where's the interesting writing?
>>720889497her feet appeal to me
>>720912931So “underwhelming” yet still unmatched when compared to other JRPGs. It would appear Japan got a huge wake up call.
>>720914429"Not terrible" is good enough for gaming. For fiction/fantasy nerds, E33 is basic. Executing that well in the form of a game makes it an outlier. Remember the early GoT hype? There are tons of titles like ASOIAF - Witcher, WoT, Foundation - but their adaptations were garbage. The LoTR trilogy did the same for movies. The fact that we're even comparing it to books and movies makes it unique for a video game.
>>720914771>it's good because I don't like Japanese thingsOkay.>>720914987>The fact that we're even comparing it to books and movies makes it unique for a video game.Who's comparing it to books and movies, and since when do video games not get compared to books and movies? Fucking Resident Evil is nonstop horror movie comparisons, and the entirety of Fromsoft storytelling is modeled after reading GRRM books as someone who's ESL. Generally when people pretend that movies and books especially are some magical quality standard for storytelling, they don't actually know anything about good writing.
>>720913586Could there be more dialogue about their feelings about living in the canvas? Sure, it could have been done. But we see what they feel about it, through their actions, they still want to live and they still want to fight for their friends and themselves.I agree their faith in Verso is frustrating and how easily he is forgiven. But people are frustrating and dumb.
>expeditioners want to live>painted renoir wants his painted family to live>both of their desires align>could simply tell everyone that the curator under the monolith is killing everyone, not the paintress, who is in fact protecting them>When E33 find out Verso lied by omission of Renoir being his Dad, he could've also added "oh btw did he also tell you killing the paintress will kill you all?">even when E33 are moments away from the paintress, he still doesn't tell them.>Doesn't mention it even when he's about to be erasedIs painted Renoir a retard?
>>720915365>Could there be more dialogue about their feelings about living in the canvas?No, not more. Any. Literally any at all.>I agree their faith in Verso is frustrating and how easily he is forgiven. But people are frustrating and dumb.Except Lune is supposed to be very smart, so handwaving it as people being dumb isn't okay. And you completely avoided commenting on what I said about Sciel and Verso.
>>720915317While I agree that games aren’t exempt from good writing, games tend to have lower quality stories on average simply by virtue that game stories are harder to write because you have to factor in ludonarrative dissonance and also making sure there’s a gameplay loop. This limits the type of stories you can tell without the game becoming boring as shit.This is why a lot of “movie games” rob the player of interactivity, because the devs subconsciously realise that interactivity limits what the writers can do. It takes an insane amount of talent to write a good vidya story, which is why games with good stories tend to be exceptions.
>>720915610I don't think it's necessary though, we see what they feel through their actions.Being emotionally dumb is different from intelligence. People put their trust in people they really shouldn't. Some people are far too forgiving etc.
>>720915473I feel like this is the game’s biggest plothole. So much of the plot could have been avoided if P Renoir just told the party that The Curator was behind everything.
>>720915724Yeah for me E33 is the best video game story I've played. I'd love to hear opinions from people what they think is top tier in video games because I'd love to play more games with great stories.
>>720912052>>720912052Melted off by chroma I presume. Seems to be only late stage painters who present like this so stands to reason it's an extension of what's happening in this pic. Of course he's been painting for 50+ years inside the canvas and somewhere between a few days and a few months IRL. Same thing we see on Maelle's eyes at the end of the game if she continues to paint.
>>720915317'Exceptional' is a subjective. I can't name a single game seems exceptional to me. So it's not a very useful standard for judging games. If we compare it to games in its genre, it's above and beyond. It's not the same cookie-cutter slop. It's not gimmicky. It's not tryhard. It's not edgy. It's an interesting story executed well in a medium that's not known for telling good stories (unless you count VNs). Different genre, but it's why people like the Witcher so much. This might not be very important to you, but it's also a story that could only be told in a game. It's not a movie game. It's not a book game. It's a game that works best as a game.
>>720915724Sure, and I agree with it being hard to reconsile gameplay with storytelling, especially when shit writers try to write a book or movie style script and then force it into a video game. That doesn't make E33's story or writing great.>>720915807>I don't think it's necessary though, we see what they feel through their actionsWanting to live is too basic to act as a substitute to reconciling something as heavy as realizing you exist in a made up painting world. "What does it mean to be human" is a common concept that's explored a lot in scifi with artificial humans and robots. E33 included the concept but didn't explore it at all.>Being emotionally dumb is different from intelligence. People put their trust in people they really shouldn't. Except they included a self-aware line where she brings up not trusting him and then never brings it up again and her actions (the thing you're saying shows their intentions) never reflect that. This is to say nothing of Maelle not questioning him showing up 1 second after Gustave dies until the end of the story. The characters have too many inconsistencies and moments of ignorance beyond suspension of disbelief.
>>720916190Nigger, what? E33 doesn't benefit from being a game at all in terms of story. The story is linear with virtually no player agency or nonlinear storytelling.
>>720916205I think the game explores it without talking about it openly, when you make the choice at the end that should definitely be part of why you make either decision.
>>720916430Personally, while I don’t think E33’s story is improved by making it a game, it’s not made worse by it either, which I think it’s the true test. The reason why a lot of walking sims fail for example, isn’t necessarily because the idea of the story is bad, it’s because in gameplay, it just translates to walking while a story is being narrated to you, which kills the pacing and presentation of said story.This is what annoys the kind of writers who wish they were writing movies or books instead: They see the gameplay as an obstacle to get around rather than something to integrate.
>>720916430Sneaking around Nevrons and exploring the painted world add to the feel of E33. The designs and fighting styles of the Nevrons and the Axons add to the story of E33. It wouldn't work in a movie and it's hard to pull of in a book. It's a story that could only be told in one medium.GoW is a proper movie game. It might as well be an animated movie. E33 wouldn't work as a movie. Lots of games wouldn't, but those other games don't have well-written stories. See Stellar Blade as a very recent example.
>>720889497It appeals to billionaires in finance who want to play social engineer. They know better than most that beyond a certain level you can just print yourself more money. They don't need or want any more of the stuff. What they want instead is influence and power over others.
>>720916678>I think the game explores it without talking about it openlyNo it doesn't. None of their actions change after finding out what they are. They were already fighting to survive. You're just wrong.>>720916942>which I think it’s the true test.No, the true test is if something works better as a game. Look at something like Disco Elysium. That writing only works as a game.>This is what annoys the kind of writers who wish they were writing movies or books instead: They see the gameplay as an obstacle to get around rather than something to integrate.Yes, I agree about this.
>>720917168>Sneaking around NevronsI'm sorry, what? When does this happen? You can bumrush everything. The only time I couldn't was with the monsters from the start of the game and that was specifically a failing of the writing as a video game. They have gradient attacks and Verso knew about gradient attacks, but he doesn't teach the party until later in the story even if you see those attacks earlier via exploration. That's a clear cut example of bad storytelling in a game because storytelling amd gameplay are at odds with each other.
>>720915473Painted Renoir mogged them so hard they would be useless as teammates. Maelle was the gamechanger.
>>720915473>>720915882I knew it was going to be plothole city and CW tier drama when characters obviously knew stuff but kept quiet and everyone accepted it. Like that anon earlier in the thread I liked the game until somewhere along act 2 but the way they handled the "twist" was pretty bad. All stakes got removed and maelle was a godlike being. Didn't help that esquie was already a one shotting powerhouse that only helped a little bit when he felt like it. Since the devs are french I felt like they read Bob et Bobette and wanted to add that "get out of jail free" character.
>>720917237They keep acting the same because they don't feel it changes anything, they're still fighting for their and everyone elses survival against someone who is incredibly powerful.
>>720917442You can and that's adds to the story too. Whether you decide to bravely face up to every monster or focus on the mission is a choice you can make. There's no way to fit the Nevrons and what they represent in a TV show. They would be low-level goons that would be wasting precious screen time. Only a game can that experience meaningful, and E33 makes the different kinds of Nevrons and Axons and their environment equally meaningful (as concrete representations of Clea and Renoir's subconscious).
>>720915473I love the game and its story but this is a plothole I agree.
>maelle gets her paintress powers>instantly revives two literally whos instead of gustave
>>720917990>because they don't feel it changes anything,Which means they didn't consider it. That could have been an interesting character arc where they deal with it and then come to the conclusion that it ultimately doesn't matter, but narratively it's just glossed over. It's bad.>>720918024>Whether you decide to bravely face up to every monster or focus on the mission is a choice you can make.You're talking up basic "strong enemies exist" stuff that exists in every game and is narratively irrelevant.>There's no way to fit the Nevrons and what they represent in a TV showThis is just ignorance. The literal cutscene where the expedition gets wiped shows this, and then the linear and straightforward dialogue in the arena tells you where they came from. You also completely ignored a concrete example I gave of a failure in story telling because gameplay and story are at odds.
>>720917874Maelle IS a godlike being. E33 is a fight between the gods of the painted world - the Dessendres. It's Aline versus Renoir at the beginning and Alicia versus Verso at the end with Clea featuring.That's another way E33 is unique. A fight between gods isn't usually shown from the perspective of the little people. Gods rarely incarnate in forms where their global powers are limited and they have to rely on their local powers instead.
She's perfect...
>>720918626Xenoblade says hi.
>>720918576I disagree that it's bad. I will agree it could've been better. I don't think the game is perfect, there's plotholes like this >>720915473 but even with those issues it's still far better than any other game I've played as a complete experience, gameplay, visuals, dialogue, story, music, sound etc. It's just very well made on all fronts.I tried metaphor after e33 and it was just laughably bad in comparison. Then I played ff7 for some nostalgia and it fun for that reason, but the gameplay and especially the story and dialogue is like incredibly bad compared to e33.
>>720889497>Who do girlbosses appeal to?People who want to pretend men and women have no inherent differences between them.
>>720918980>it's better than everything else>my points of comparison?>Atlus games and FF
>>720918576Imagine a movie or book where the main characters fight the same kind of enemy over and over again. It wouldn't work. In E33, we're learning something new about Clea every time we fight the same kind of Nevron. Their appearance and the attitude behind their attacks contribute to the story. We have an incentive to observe and learn. The repetition has a purpose. There's a meaning behind the method.Shooting down or slashing up hordes of enemies is something a movie can represent. Nevrons only work with a video game.
>>720919129>Everything is badFeel free to share your recommendations
>>720918273I think it's supposed to be that she only managed them because they've been erased really recently and while Maelle/Alicia had her painter powers. Gustave was killed "normally" a while back already. The real reason is that you need to explain why you still have the same party and gustave was always just a fake verso.I think it still sort of works in that Alicia just doesn't care as much about gustave because she has the real fake brother around now.
>>720918980How is it a plothole? If you were Renoir, would you want to team up with retards that get slaughtered by Nevrons? He tried that once and they got suspicious and attacked him.
>>720904483She looks Jewish
>>720919163>Imagine a movie or book where the main characters fight the same kind of enemy over and over again. It wouldn't work.You just don't show all the encounters. Don't pretend for a second that every enemy encounter in E33 with Nevrons holds weight. That wouldn't even apply to shades in Nier where each one is a specific person.>In E33, we're learning something new about Clea every time we fight the same kind of Nevron. Their appearance and the attitude behind their attacks contribute to the story. We have an incentive to observe and learn. The repetition has a purpose.At this point I believe you're a genuine shill, because not even the most demented fanboy could possibly believe this.
>>720919351He's quite aware that Maelle is not just some random chump and that they have a good chance of succeeding.
>>720919243>Everything is badNo, but playing popular Atlus and Square games and making sweeping generalizations about the medium is like reading so e GRRM books and then saying all fantasy novels are just poop and boobs.
>>720919369I thought she was maybe meant to be a gypsy with the cards and fortune telling thing.
>>720919395I didn't say it's something E33 exclusively does. I'm saying you can't make the experience of fighting goons meaningful in a movie. In a movie, low-level villains are never more than zombies.You could do it in a book, but it has to tell you outright what to imagine. There's no process of discovery.
>>720919570Why are you still not giving any recommendations? Metaphor was hyped by a lot of people so I gave it a shot.
>>720919351>If you were Renoir, would you want to team up with retards that get slaughtered by Nevrons?The same retards that fucking killed him and the paintress?He could clearly see that Alicia was traveling with E33 and had lost her memory/grown attached.He didn't say a thing even as they are about to fucking delete him and the Paintress is 1 room over.The Curator literally shows up and he speaks in riddles STILL. He could literally just tell everyone there "hey btw this is the guy doing the grommage. He wants you to kill me and the Paintress so he can finish the job."
>>720918273Gustave wasn't gommaged.
>>720919726That doesn't stop him from being revived. He is revived in Maelle's ending. And no, they're not copies. If they are, there's even more plot holes with Act 3.
>>720908962It's definitely true, retard.
>>720911063E33 is decent.and above literally 99% of the jrpgs thanks to its gameplayJarpigs are an absolute trash genre, they barely exploit what makes videogames what they are (interactivity)
>>720889497"girlbosses" cant be sexy?
>>720919883Either it was a copy or it took a while for Alicia to gather the chroma to revive him. Look how he didn't age at all while everyone else is much older.
>>720920714Speculating on aging seems very difficult I've seen people say no one looks aged, I think everyone looks aged personally.
DEFINE 'GIRLBOSS'with vidya examples
>>720920986nadine form unchartedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7Bva1r1jzU
>>720889497two bossy things she does: tells gustav to stop being a bitch and not kill himselftells gustav to yell at a gestral[/spoilerwill say its hard to like most of the girls after it becomes the verso and monoco show though.
>>720919681If you want better storytelling in Atlus and FF games, go play Persona 2 and 3, and FF 4-6.
>>720921326Personally I love the girls throughout the game and I hate Verso.
>>720920074>fight once to see an enemy's delay then nullify all damage is good gameplaylol
>>720921326Personally I love all the characters throughout the game and I hate Alicia.
>>720921574If you're a good gamer and can just time everything perfectly after seeing it once then yeah I imagine the game is too easy for you. But which jrpg challenges you then? I can't imagine any of them does?You would have to play multiplayer games to be challenged if you're that amazing.
>>720919636Fighting mobs isn't meaningful in E33, either.
>>720921795>But which jrpg challenges you then? I can't imagine any of them does?That depends. Are you going to be a retard and insist that anything that isn't a purely timing/mechanical challenge doesn't count?
>>720921998>>720921795Also you seem to have moved the goalposts from "good gameplay" to a game being challenging. Are you one of those retards that thinks difficulty = quality and nothing else when it comes to gameplay?
>>720919883>And no, they're not soulless copies with no free will who act/think exactly how I want!>"See things as they are, not how you want them to be"LOL oki doki. You go die in basement now.
>>720889497Lune is incredibly popular though. She is probably the reason half the players don´t choose the Verso ending. I´m pretty sure 2 million players can´t all be into feet too.
>>720921326>tells gustav to stop being a bitch and not kill himselfThat's not girlboss. That's something any Slavic woman would tell her husband if he starts acting like a lil bitch
>>720922448That was his point, dingus>what a slavic woman would say to her husband“Give me heroin needle, dont wipe it”
>>720919554>>720919709Painted Renoir doesn't feel they're the slightest bit useful. Clea and Sciel are garbage of a worse stock than past expeditioners, and Maelle was a helpless little girl in their last meeting. This can lead to two possibilities. They believe Verso over Renoir and the outcome ends up the same. Or they believe Renoir over Verso, and now they have to beat Verso. Assuming they manage to do that, Maelle would have to beat Renoir without Alicia's abilities, which would fail.
>>720889497>Luna>Girl boss
>>720922751>Painted Renoir doesn't feel they're the slightest bit useful.You don't get to use this excuse when he is literally defeated by them and he still doesn't say a single thing.His literal greatest enemy, The Curator, is there teaching Maelle how to erase them which is the absolute worst thing possible for him, and he STILL does nothing.If he told Maelle the truth she could've awakened to her paintress powers and joined his side to fight against real Renoir. Instead he chose to say nothing and now his entire family was obliterated.
>>720912052Because it looks cool.
>>720889497>the 4 gamer girls i know represent all girls who play video games
>>720923035That would lead to Maelle fighting Verso and gommaging him. Renoir obviously doesn't want that to happen. The point of protecting Aline is to protect Verso.
>>720925089No it wouldn't. Maelle didn't gommage him even as he literally begged with tears in his eyes.She also didn't even know how to gommage. Painted Renoir sat there and watched as The Curator taught her how to do it on him as a training exercise for what they would do to the Paintress 10 minutes later.
>>720889497>every gamer girl I know wants to be a pretty princesses wearing pretty dresses
>>720921998No they could be difficult in other terms. I wouldn't consider grinding for levels to be difficult though, just time consuming.
She was probably the only mildly interesting character but like with everything I'm this game nothing was done with her
>>720925597Maelle didn't recover her memories until she herself was gommaged. At that point, she would see Verso as an enemy and would gommage him the same way she blindly gommaged Renoir.
>>720897651Can confirm, dated enough 30-40 yr old single women to know. Also the ones who are "career-driven" at their dead end retail jobs lol.
>>720889497>Not womenWomen are the ones making them (and don't give me tranny cope unless your stupid ass thinks kathleen kennedy is)
i like women in armor
>>720925898PRenoir had no good reason to be so mysterious, he should've just talked to the expedition. It's not like they were any threat to him, so if they refused to listen to him or attacked him after he tried reasoning with them then he would have had a good reason to fight them. It's just a plothole.It's too bad because him being this mysterious man works really well otherwise, it's just his motivation to act that way doesn't make sense.
>>720925898That would make even less sense because being erased is Verso's #1 mission. If that would result in Maelle seeing him as the enemy and erasing him, then he had no reason to lie and should actively antagonize her.
>>720926306That wouldn't free Aline from the canvas.
>>720925763Why did we shift from good to difficult?
>>720889750My dream women desu. Focused and self righteous, naive as a consequence but fair if convinced? Sounds like at least an interesting life.
>>720921326sounds like you are a homosexual
