Does /v/ like blobbers
>>720895989yesrecommend me somewizardry variants daphne is shit so don't you dare say that onealso no dungeon travelers
>>720896042>wizardry variants daphne is shitYou have shit taste, it's fun.
>>720896081everything looks washed out as fuckcharacters look really bland, most of themit has lots of mobile shit mechanics
>>720895989play wizardry variants daphne, easily the best bloober in the last 2 decades (perhaps even EVER, not exaggerating) the nips love it. We have a general as well on /vg/!
>>720896372holy cringe
>>720896081>>720896372Based.
>>720895989game name?
>>720896372>play this microtransaction weeb gachaholy shill
I like Wizardry but I don't like Wizardry Variants Daphne. Wizardry and gachashit just don't mix.>>720896042Class of Heroes 3 releases tommorow
>>720896616is it good?
>>720896372>>>/vg/539428559Imagine shilling p2w gacha and then asking gacha thread to shill it too in /v/
>>720897389uhmmm anyon, that's what wuwa does every dayand genshinand blue archiveand girls frontlineand brown dust 2and on and on and on
>>720896151You're insane, because the look is like one of its saving graces, especially compared to drpgs as a whole.
>>720896042
>shilling daphne before anni
show me a single bloober with as much S0VL as this and I'll play it right hecking MEOW
What do we think of Drecom investment into AI tools, /v/?
>>720898112im still not convinced this is ai anon, is this another thread ebin meme? i haven't been visiting the thread for a while as im waiting for the new dungeon to return
love blobbers butjapan cant make good blobbers
>>720898224>im still not convinced this is ai anonIt's just the artist got tired of drawing all details and just smeared complete gibberish instead+got eyes completely wrong>is this another thread ebin meme?No, all art in the game was AI slopped over past few months, and Drecom announced that they use AI platform for productivity
>>720898224eyes and smile are 100% ai
>>720895989What if the blob is a ball? Ranger pelts baddies from a distance and spots traps, barbarian smashes with head on collisions, protector resists knockback, wizard freezes moving hazards. There is a pinball game kinda like that, but I'd like a marble guiding one instead.
It can't be a good blobber without H-scenes.
>>720898052That's not even a blobber because you can see your characters. A blobber is defined by your party being a "blob" behind the camera, and you interact with them via portraits.
I've only played a couple and I guess I liked about half of them?>Liked EO1 and EO3>Liked Labyrinth of Refrain up until enemies started crit crippling my party constantly>Didn't like EO2 or Undernauts
>>720900091'Blobber' means the entire party moves as one, as if they were a singular blob.
>>720896042Persona 1
>>720895989im trying to convince my zoomer(vidya tastewise) friends to play might and magic merge mod in multiplayer with me
>>720895989I really, really like Elminage but it's sort of an acquired taste.
>blobber thread>nobody even talking about M&MGrim.
thoughts on wizards & warriors?
>>720897073Do you like Old School Wizardry? If so you'll probably enjoy the class of heroes series. Each successive game was RELATIVELY more forgiving and "modern" but even 3 is a hardcore classic style blobber more comparable to games from the 90's than, say, EO.
i heard this genre has a surprising amount of yuri gameshand over the list and i'll leave you guys alone
>>720904476I think you may have been had, mate. Either that or people think that a single game is "a suprising amount" of Yuri for thus genre. It's witch and lillies which isn't particularally good in terms of gameplay or translation, and even the Yuri is questionable due to being generic scenes for custom characters.Oh I guess there's the moments of girl on girl fanservice the Mary Skelter games. But that's stretching the definition of Yuri to the absolute limit given there's, you know, a dude around.
>>720896575Elminage
>>720905279>moments of girl on girl fanservice the Mary Skelter gamesdoesn't idea factory turn male mcs into a joke char in every sequel, I thought that's what happens in the sequel
>>720895989I like blobs.
I love blobbers, but I dislike modern anime aesthetic. My favorites are M&M 4+5, and wizardry 6+7.I'm looking forward for Underkeephttps://store.steampowered.com/app/2411200/Underkeep/List of blobbers on steam, if anyone is interested:https://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Released_DESC&tags=10695%2C3839%2C1720&category1=998
>>720895989They are all shit. The classes and items are fucking boring.The best thing to ever come out of it is Etrian and the series is dead.Crazy how nobody ever tried to make a super ambitious one.
>>720905801>Crazy how nobody ever tried to make a super ambitious one.no playerbase
>>720900091and where is the difference functionally? How does it change the gameplay to occasionally see your characters? Because gameplay is how genres should be defined, not purely cosmetic shit. You had a point if you could move your characters independently from each other in a way that where they are physically influences the tactical ramifications of how a battle plays out, but this doesn't seem to be the case.
>>720896372Behead gachaniggers
>>720896042I'm assuming you have played Labyrinth of Refrain and Galleria games?Zanki Zero was also a fun animeme blobber.
>>720905742>rake in grasshappy to see jng guys are still making games.
>>720905924Yeah but autism as a driving force is a thing. And autistic nerds are kinda the guys who are playing this.
>>720896042Shining the Holy Ark
>>720897073I got the game shipped to me early and from what I've played the balance is all over the place. Early game starts you off with easy piss enemies, then the second area the enemies randomly get hard as fuck. Third area, they're even more difficult and the boss feels near bullshit. But once you beat that, the difficulty mostly dries up to the point I'm at. For some reason, after that difficulty spike, the game resorts to making you fight stuff you've already gone against, sometimes even first area enemies which do jack shit to you. I haven't been going out of my way to grind either, I run away from fights when backtracking and at this point run even when exploring new areas often because they still put in piss weak enemies I've fought maybe 4-5 dungeons ago. The only potential difficulty so far afterwards has been bosses.Stat growth is mostly tied to species rather than class, so if two humans are in different classes and swap to the same one, they'll have pretty much the same stats. It gets really retarded in some areas, like Dwarves having insane HP growth so they can end up with about 6-8 times the HP of some other species.
>>720904476There's Witch and Lilies, though I haven't heard anything about it since it went into an apparently disappointing early access
There's this one anime game that was in third person, turn based combat, I think it had 'tower' in the name. Anyone know what game I'm talking about?
>>720895989Not anymoreThey got boring eventually
>>720896372>wizardary>but with gachathis is literally evil
>>720907167golden sun at home
>got all excited they announced a proper translation of Elminage 2 was coming>9 months later and nothing happened I HATE VIDEOGAMES
>>720895989What exactly is the appeal?I've played a little bit of etrian odyssey and that weird one on the ds with drawing spells and it seems like it's just an infinite loop of>enter dungeon>grind/explore until resource exhaustion>exit dungeon>pay like 99% of your entire haul to heal and restock>repeat foreverThe whole map drawing thing never really got interesting, yeah there's teleports/shafts/traps on the floor but they're mostly unavoidable initially and then after writing them down they're just bypassed anyway.Other than that it's just like if you took the random battles of a regular jrpg and that was the entire game.
>>720910594All the fun of dungeon delving with none of the annoying cutscenes and story shit. I don't care to see a bunch of angsty teenagers cry for 20 minutes straight every 2 hours.
>>720909907Maybe this:>https://store.steampowered.com/app/3524160/Crescent_Tower/
>>720910763Nope that's not it. It was very anime, the characters were wearing school uniform, and one of the girls used a huge ass spear. You see your party from behind during combat. I really don't know anything more than that
>>720910750I guess that makes sense, but I just don't really enoy the jrpg style battles then. It never really seems like I'm doing anything, if you know what I mean.Like I setup a party, and it just works a specific way in every combat. Everything kinda boils down to just mashing attack every turn but with more buttons/menus.I suppose the game is then just about strategizing to pick the right class/item combos for a zone/boss? But that gets really boring because of all the grinding you have to do to buy shit, level people up, and hire new characters. I admit there's obviously SOMETHING there, I wasn't just playing the game for no reason, but at some point around the middle in every game I try I just run out of steam and lose interest and can't quite put my finger on why, or what exactly was fun for the first half.
>>720911034possibly ray gigant
>>720898716i'm said i missed this marianne
>>720911473Yeah that's the one, thanks
>>720911267Depends on the game and how far you are. In most experience inc. crawlers you can autobattle half the fights, but the ones you can't could wipe you. Wizardry can kill you with any fight and you always need to pay attention. Elminage is similar.I like how tense the games get while dungeon diving then trying to limp back to town with my stuff.
>>720895989>Does /v/ like blobbersI like them... in theory.All the ones I've tried end up having massive problems one way or another. Starting from balance issues, idiotic outdated mechanics, needless obscurantism, and so on.For being one of the oldest genres of vidya and being relatively easy to make, it still lack the "ultimate" blobber game.I wish I weren't an useless person, as this is the sort of genre I would have liked to make a game in.
>>720911624Hmm, maybe that's the issue, I really dislike those chaff battles, they're not only easy but take up like 80% of your fucking time.I'll try out one of those harder ones and see if I like it better. I've heard that they actually basically force you to map things because the traps will annihilate you and not just do 10% chip damage.
>>720895989Anything Elminage gives me Nam flashbacks
>>720905742Found 2 Steam curators for this genre too.https://store.steampowered.com/curator/43912104-J-Dungeon/https://store.steampowered.com/curator/45269002-Grid-based-FPDRPGs-and-related-hybrids/
Labyrinth of Galleria is great
>>720911778>balance issues, idiotic outdated mechanics, needless obscurantismThose are core parts of the experience
I rather call them Drpgs.
>>720914827DeutschArrpagee, ja
how do i make a good battle system?for now i've eliminated standard attacks since skills and items are the interesting/fun partbut balancing, designing skill synergy, making battles interesting feels like a very high hurdle and is one big tangled problemi really enjoy making random dungeon generators and character customization systems, but battle systems are always the blocker for me
>>720915219>i've eliminated standard attacksanon I...
>>720915219Add a stamina system that lowers to empty every three attacks and you have to wait an irl minute for it to refill.
>>720895989>talks about blobbers>has a drpg imageI will tell you once you know when to use the term blobber properly.
>>720916068>he's still doing this
>>720895989I do but there's none I want to play right now. Would be nice if something came out like wiz daphne without the gacha.
>>720897389it's a good game and a fine general.
>>720916897One of these statements is true and the other is false.
>>720915219I think normal attacks can be allowed to be fine and even good, the main thing is that it should be a conscious decision to build towards making it good rather than it being the only option for a fighter or archer or any martial. And good doesn’t even have to mean the best option, just a tool in your kit that can serve a useful function.
>A PATHETIC babyDICK loser like YOU levelled UUUUUUP!? *spits*WTF
>>720917325>+0 to all stats
>>720914827same
>>720916897>fine general.
>>720914827
>>720898052Shut the fuck up, retard. What game is this?
>>720895989I would say no. I like etrian, but the other blobbers I've played have ranged from bad to just okay.I have hopes for AIgolemeth
>>720919518that's the wizardry gacha
>>720919815>Cool thing wasted on the worst genre possiblehate to see it, oh well
>>720919914Wiz daphnie would genuinely be praised as the best blobber in 10 years if only it wasn't a gacha. Mobileshit mechanics are the only issue, and yes, that is a pretty big issue.
>>720920045And yet, it is. Hope someone rips off the rest of the game as a normal game.
>>720920045no it wouldn't, it has 0 content
>>720920045it's an impressive game graphically, it feels like some sort of modern fire emblem but a drpg. Too bad the equipment and character farming was bastardized by gacha. The Japanese are the worst when it comes to raping nostalgia for money.
>>720920140>equipmentfuck this>character farmingthe what?
>>720915219i like what rance quest did and made every skill have a limited number of uses for each dungeon. it's just a more serious take on a stamina system. when your healer can only cast heal 5 times you really have to think about when to use it, or bring 2 healers if you think one can't handle it. the old wizardry games were the same way with spell ranks.
>>720915219Darkest Dungeon positioning shenanigans, but in a square instead of the line.
>>720922081you need tons of copies of all the different classes to give your main squad their abilities. LIike giving everyone heal or different element spells.
>>720922341path of the abyss
>>720922341Mistover had thisa game so bad it got removed from stores entirely
>>720896372How viable is it to clear most or all of the content f2p if I start now?
>>720896042Etrian Odyssey 3 and onwards (go back to 1 and 2 if you are ok with much more standard blobber)Shin Megami Tensei Strange Journey
>>720911267>Everything kinda boils down to just mashing attack every turn but with more buttons/menus.Play EO3 and onwards, class complexity greatly increases in the series over time and stuff like ailments actually matter.
Generation Xth gang?
why elections tourist still seething about gacha in 2025
>>720924861Like any bearable gacha, the main singleplayer content is clearable with whatever you manage to scrape together f2p. Anything beyond that, well good luck.
>>720924861it's a grind game so you can do it with just gameplay but idk like 120 hours of gameplay at least
>>720924861there is no stamina so you can grind all day, most power come from gear anywaybut current starter packs are lousy as shit compared to what they were giving on start/before steam release
>>720928091the best thing about daphne is all the bullshit is so expensive any sane person is f2p by default. I'm still salty about the Garuda pack change.
>>720928408>I'm still salty about the Garuda pack change.me too>you beat that boss? great>let celebrate it with a pack>just 100$wtf were they thinking
>>720928582JP gacha greed has mad me more racist
>>720895989who the fuck calls them blobbers? I'm almost to my 40's and I don't even remember people calling these games that even back in the 2000's.
>>720895989play Madou Monogatari Honoo no Sotsuenji
>>720896372>megaman gacha gets an offline version>octopath gacha gets an actual game versionI'm sure there's other examples but this gives me hope. I will be waiting it out.
>>720923727>spoilerYou fucking take that back
>>720923727good thing I got it on physical
>>720895989what? blobbers?
>>720929854dungeonslop crawlerludokino
>>720929680No. The final update added difficulties sliders so you can completely customize the difficulty yourself. What this actually means is the dev team were completely clueless how to balance the game themselves and completely gave up and tell the players to figure it our themselves.Don't get me wrong that game has it's charms, but it's objectively a terrible game. A kusoge even.
>>720929656link to single player cotc?
genre peaked with grimoire
>>720910128Almost like they were both produced by the same guy
>drpg/blobber thread>Gachafags desperately try to turn them into Daphne generals>that one lurking schizo who won't even discuss the games and will attack anyone who discusses Wizardry 4-7 for not playing in the most optimal way possible>the same 3 games getting mentioned over and over againI genuinely used to like these threads.
>>720896042Daphne is genuinely the best one released in the past 5 years. I'd recommend some other one if you're new to the genre, but if you're a veteran then you won't get better.
>>720930323The game that that one schizo worked on for 20 years? What ever happened to him. His ramblings on /v/ used to be some funny shit.
>>720930881>Daphne>best one released in the past 5 years.
>>720930323Sapes, when will they ever learn?
>>720930980Well then name a better one? As far as I know the genre is dead as fuck.
>>720915867Labyrinth of the Demon King combat is gay as hell, but damn something makes me keep playing.
>>720930980Says less about Daphne more about the genre
>>720907167god damn now that's a hidden gem. I've never even heard of this or seen it on any drpg list / thread
>>720910594>what's the appeal?give SMT Strange Journey 30 minutes of your time if you want to know.
>like a dozen people in my MMO guild started playing wizardry gacha a week agoWhat's the appeal? I dislike gacha but they seem to be having a great time.
>>720931160Wizardry Five Ordeals, Starcrawlers and Der Geisterjager
>>720930980It hurts because it's true
>>720931328I'm always surprised no one knows about this when this board dickrides the hell out of Golden Sun. I wonder if it's because of the average age of the board.
>>720926174The story might be dogshit, but damn if it wasn't fun to find equipment and have the portraits change.
>>720929929DC is dungeon crawlers not blobbers
>>720931606im 34 and I just don't into sega saturn. never even tried emulating it for panzer dragoon.
>>720930264octopath 0
>>720932153I honestly forgot about the game until like 2020 and I think most people skipped emulating Saturn because it's notoriously underbaked and the console itself is, what $200? It's the definition of a hidden gem for sure.
>>720930491>>720907167Loved golden sun and never knew about this. Is it easy to find an iso and can a saturn emulator play it?
>>720931328>hidden gem>prequel to golden sun
>>720930914It came out, and then the manual which was required to even understand the game took another couple years but eventually came out, everyone who played it realised it played like a game from when it started development and either liked or hated it because of that, and that was the end of it.
Untold 2 really burned me out, it'll be years before I feel like playing an etrian game again.
>>720932593ricky's flat ches
>>720896042Grimrock 2
>>720896616heh
>>720932587High-key, I'm happy for the guy. I should try finishing what I start before I kill myself.
I've played these games for almost 25 years, and only in the last year and a half am I seeing people insisting on calling them blobbers. I don't remember the term usage at all at old forums.
>>720932983I never heard the term either. Probably like 'immersive sim' where only a few people used it but some zoomers heard it once and started to use it all over the place
>>720895989I dunno, I only tried SMT1 for a bit and didn't care for it. Is it supposed to be a good one or not particularly?
>>720930808
>>720933173It's not that good. SMT2 is a bit overrated too especially compared to the rest of the genre.
>>720931491>Starcrawlersmeh, mediocre at best
>>720932983i remember people in the early two thousands using it. it's also used a lot on rpgcodex. the genre has been dead for such a long time though so who cares
>>720931485just try it anoni bet you dont
>>720933265It doesn't say anything about the word blobbers being used at any early point, also including Morrowind and Diablo II? I'm not sure whoever wrote this is sound of mind.
>>720933352It scratched a certain itch for me. I really enjoyed some of the class designs. Like the gambler archetype is so fun to rng with for example. I admittedly just really like the game.
>>720932983i dig it out and found thisanyway gratz on crawling from your under basement dudgeon
>>720933763Sometimes something less complex and autistic is just the right thing.
>>720933657dunnoits slang, rather loose(like you mom, lmao) term
>>720931491this looks like shit dude
>>720895989>blobbersThey're called RPGs or 3D RPGs or "dungeon crawlers" if you want to be cute. "Blobbers" is not a word and doesn't mean anything.
>>720933763gameplay is fine but that is it, you just run go dungeons and there is zero pressure, no storyjust didn't feel it and after some rime just noticed that i am just looking number go up
>>720933913So does Wiz 6 and that game is fantastic. Playing the wrong genre if visual fidelity is really important to you.
>>720930808What program is that?
>>720905742Might and Magic leveled down when they abandoned grid movement and the AI started getting caught on level geometry. I miss Xeen like you niggas wouldn't believe.
blobber, for better or worse, remains the sole precise term for this genre
>>720934010sup zoomie
>>720934143No it does not. It's retarded. It focuses entirely on one incidental detail that doesn't matter, and conveys no information at all.
>>720900402
>>720934183I've played this shit since Dungeon Master (1987) was a new game. Blobber is a shit word and you should be killed for speaking it. Call them RPGs.
>>720907167People actually remember that even exists?
>>720934123Grid cartographer (pirate it or wait for a sale)It has a ton of mapping tools and even has an automapper that links to a good number of older games. I started playing the genre with EO3, so even if it "casualizes" the mapping aspect of older games, getting it was a no brainer to me and it would be for anyone who likes map-making like in EO.
>>720934470https://store.steampowered.com/app/684690/Grid_Cartographer/
>>720914827No one cares about your weebshit term.
>>720934575Still better than your Reddit shit "bloooburr".
>>720932983>I've played these games for almost 25 years, and only in the last year and a half am I seeing people insisting on calling them blobbers.I too like to ocassionally larp as a fan of games I don't actually play.
>>720895989Don't you mean dungeon crawler?>>720904476I wouldn't say so, Mary Skelter 2 has one lesbian couple but its not a yuri game
>>720895989I have a hacked 3DS, what should I play on it?I already have all the Etrians
>>720934851a game just needs two females in close proximity with each other then the yurigoggles do the rest of the work
>>720934081There is story but it's shit and I don't remember much of it. Something something warp dimension, zombies, powerful artifact...
>>720934653it is and was dungeon crawler
>>720895989Recommend me some (PSP,3DS)also just call them duengeon crawlers
>>720935012The term dungeon crawler doesn't mean anything anymore when any game with a dungeon is calling itself that.
>>720910594>pay like 99% of your entire haul to heal and restockThe equipment you do buy are significant upgrades. If mapping turns you off then you have poor taste but the newer releases have a mode that maps for you
>>720932983>only in the last year and a half am I seeing people insisting on calling them blobbers. I don't remember the term usage at all at old forums.It's some kind of dumbshit word that was used in some early usenet group or something. And that's where it should have stayed. It's a fucking worthless word, it's trying to be funny when no humor is appreciated, and it doesn't even make sense when explained. Dungeon Hack and other similar games that have a single character can't be "blobbbubs" cause theere is no, blob, you play as one character only. But otherwise the game is fucking identical to Eye of Beholder. What kind of retard would try to claim EoB and Dungeon Hack are different genres? And does Lands of Lore stop being a blobbo bluuuh during the sections where you only play as one character? The answer is no because blorbo blarb is not a real word. No one should ever respect it.
>>720935261what drpg mean then?>you are seriously retarded man, take your meds(they will not help you but maybe they will make you stfu)
>>720935261>The term dungeon crawler doesn't mean anything anymore"Blobber" never meant anything in the first place.
>>720915219>Eliminated standard attacksWhat do you do when you don't have mana?You do not have to remove them, skills should be stronger but they cost you resources
>>720935391i don't know, that's what the japanese call them
>>720935248Dark Spire is a decent one to start with and Strange Journey is one of the best in the genre. I say that completely unironically too. Elminage gets a lot of praise, but I've yet to play it
>>720915219>how do i make a good battle system?>for now i've eliminated standard attacksFucked up at the first step son.
>>720935624exactly, take your weebshit and go to 2chan
This blobber schizo is one person. He saw the word on /wizg/ and has been having a panic attack about it since.It's not a coincidence all these posts started when this thread was linked there.
>>720934106Not really, I will continue to play SMT and Daphne. There's no reason any game in 2025 should look like absolute garbage.
4 niggas in a row with blobber mechanics mogs trueblob games. I like seeing my party members doing goofy animations.
>>720935886
>>720895989yes but I am bad at them and like them when they are easier.
only wizardry , etrian odyssey and wizardry 8... and PQ1 i guess. Played a bunch of old grid rpgs but they get stale really fast and by fast i mean 10 hours.
>>720935261Pokemon has dungeons and it is not referred to as a dungeon crawler. The main focus of a dungeon crawler game is travelling through a dungeon
>>720936090>He plays on picnic
>>720932419wtf is golden sun you actual boomer
>>720936475Go play some games and report back in a year.
give me a 4 niggas in a row where i can actually line up four niggasall i can think of is barkley gaiden
>>720936715kanye quest
so is every jrpg where the party members walked into the PC and dissapeared a blobber now?
>>720936475zoomers are trannies, they break the door, shit on the floor and ruin everything, completly uninvited
>>720931328It's because it was for the saturn
>>720936887everything is blobberthere are action blobbers, single character blobbers, turn based blobbers, grid blobbers, open world blobbers you will be assimilated
>>720936887Do they fight together in that same blob?
>>720926174Anybody?
>>720931485it's a phone gacha gameyou're not missing anything
>>720935426blobber literally means you have a party but control them as one
>>720937980isn't that most jrpgs?
>>720938054maybe if theyre first person perspective
>>720935984>daphnefagNot your genre
>>720935391DRPG means Dungeon RPG, which is useful in English as a kind of catchy JRPG like term for denoting what you're really talking about, which is basically Wizlikes. Dungeon Crawlers is just too broad; since games like Ultima Underground fall under the same moniker. Blobber is fucking useless as a term too, as it can apply to both in some cases, while failing to strictly apply to either in other cases; UU being case in point, and I guess you could argue Wiz4 also doesn't fall under the umbrella.>>720936009Daphne has goofy animations.
>phone game>gachaShan't. If you don't have to play anymore then don't play.
>>720936715Etrian Odyssey 5 and Nexus
>>720938551Why does the lady have a satanic skeleton knocking back her drinks?
>>720937708I played a bit of it a decade ago but I've never actually bothered to stick through it even though I enjoyed what I played
>>720938551>t. retard
>>720905279>Oh I guess there's the moments of girl on girl fanservice the Mary Skelter games.Are you retarded? The 2 main characters in the 2nd game are LITERALLY a couple and their love life is an important plot device.
>>720931491>Five OrdealsIs that the one with like fifty bucks of DLC packs on top of the base game? Why the hell would I play that against, say, just emulating Elminage?
>>720938736>Pmoonfag seething about gachalol
>>720938954That's just what he likes to do
>>720896042Any old mt \ smt games, most are blobbers. Undernauts, if you want some urban modern weeb stuff.Legend of grimrock, 1 good 2 shit (mho)Bard's tale, a classic.Moero chronicle if you want some moe anime shit.Operencia if you want some east europe vibeEye of beholderMight and magic 1-8 9 is shit.
>>720939221Well that's because the DLC is actually 2 previously seprate and Japan Only games that were refit for the 5 ordeals engine. Plus 5 Ordeals is actually Super Wizardry Maker, though a lot of the scenarios you can get will be in japanese of corse.
>>720939221>buying dlc for a game with custom scenariosDoing it wrong--the custom scenarios are a gameplay autists wet dream.
I like Western blobbers, Japs tend to fuck it up.>sucking Wiz4's dick as if that retarded level of difficulty is supposed to be standard>bullshit grindan gaems to pad out the game's limited content>g*chaI will not play your game.
>>720939619I didn't know this actually. I should get the dlc after all.
>>720896042Kowloon High School. The only blobber/drpg/fuck of it's kind.
>>720939498>9 is shit.why?
>>720940195Unfinished, rushed because 3do was dying and they had no money so they packed up a beta version basically. It's also awful basically on every term from gameplay to voice acting. Honestly is basically meme material and nothing else.
>>720939963I thought they liked Wizardry V? Everyone hated Wizardry IV.
>>720939963>>sucking Wiz4's dick as if that retarded level of difficulty is supposed to be standardI'm curious, which games are you referring to here? I haven't encountered a Japanese dungeon crawler that has anything remotely similar to Wizardry 4's bullshit, and I've played a fair number of them. If anything, most of them are too simple and easy.
>no mention of grimoireBunch of sapes in this thread.
>>720941280Ctrl+f is a useful shortcut, buddy.
>>720940647The only really bullshit puzzle I've run into in a Japanese Wizardry clone is the major arcana paintings in Elminage, because your only clue is if you have a Bard and know which tarot cards have instant effects and which ones have persistent effects.
>>720937708I will play this now
>>720941280Mute the music, or you'll be slowly driven insane by MIDI trumpets during chargen.
>>720941280it is you who is the melon head
>>720895989Anyone play this? How is it?https://store.steampowered.com/app/3413150/Makai_Agito/
>>720941280retardGOD
>>720910594Rpgs in its purist form. Buffs tend to matter, party formations tend to matter, debuffs tend to matter even on bosses. The most basics of rpg mechanics going all the way back to the original dungeons and dragons table top game with enough freedom for players to play however they like. Basically actual gameplay, some of which are just a lost mechanic in modern rpgs. The kind of things this board is always complaining about that's missing in rpgs since 5th gen. These are more often times not boggled down by story, animations, battle animations, and load times making them much much faster to play to the point where even random encounters don't seem as bad as you can fly through battles much faster than most rpgs. Mapping out dungeons is like crack cocaine because you wont fill satisfied until you've filled out every inch of a floor as those sometimes can lead to secret paths on some tiny ass tile. If the EO style mapping yourself isn't your thing then there's loads of ones that auto map for you, I never liked doing it myself personally either. In some games you had to be cautious when moving to the next floor too because just when you think you got the game down to a science, different enemies on the next floor can always shake things up so there's always something a little different going on.They're peek boomer rpgs that's an acquired tastes. You have to keep trying different ones to really appreciate them more.
>>720910594It's about exploration. Treating the dungeon like a proper expedition and not just a hallway where you fight filler enemies until you get to some cutscenes.
>>720930808name some games then fag instead of bitching
>>720910594Story? Some might and magic have a shitton of story and stuff to see other than killing monsters.
>>720935984daphne looks like shit to me desualmost like AI slop
>>720937195lol based
>>720942237the note about buffs makes me wonderare there any dungeon crawlers where poison is well designed? it's usually either overpowered or worthless, and often just a skill or twoi don't think i've ever played a good involved poison rogue or wizard
>>720944132Not really. In the games I've played, it's only ever been useful as a trigger for pursuit-style attacks.
>>720895989God Elminage's art direction is so good, probably top ten in rpg's monsters designs. It's like a perfect blend of victorian fairy tales and the fucking Ars Goetia.But really it's quite impressive that the artist mangaed to make such classical designs so effectively creepy.
>>720944626If you say so.
>>720944626>20 skeletons
>>720944960>>720944626Don't look china men!
>>720944960What's so strange about that, anon? Skeletons are everywhere. In fact, there's one inside of you at this very moment.
>>72094496040 skeletons? I only see 80. Good lord, there are 160 skeletons out there!
>>720944960If only you knew...
>>720896557this webm got me to play daphne and now I have my own Chloe wife
>>720944925Ok fine "except for the skunk girl"But for most of them it still applies
>>720895989Are ninja any good in Llylgamyn Saga, or should I keep my fighter a fighter?
>>720946343
>>720948580I didn't play that one yet, but aren't fighters in wiz best going sam for spells then lord for stats and gear?
>>720938736It plays better on pc. It's on steam.Also you don't have to partake in gacha. You can seriously ignore it.
I fucking love Blobbers.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJvNZAxW0qk
>>720898052>>720896557>"is this a blobber or a jrpg">"It's a good game, sir.">it was a mobile game with ads
been enjoying undernauts labyrinth of Yomi
>>720898052Wizardry 8.
How's Labyrinth of Zangetsu?
>>720895989atm my favorite is wizardry daphne by farill give class of heroes 3 a go, still have 1 and 2 installed in my phone
>>720896616Didn't it come out years ago? Or is it suddenly getting an English version?
>>720895989i recently discovered that the mary skelter games have yuri: does it start in the first game? how often do kisses and general fanservice is there?
>>720951560Wizardry Daphne doesn't have any ads, ever.Also it's on PC. The mobile version is inferior.
>>720956986Who gives a fuck, are you a tranny?
>>720898052>gatchashitIt's souless by default.
>>720957164>Wizardry Daphne doesn't have any ads, ever.It's gatchashit.With gatchashit the whole game is no more than an advertisement to buy in-game currency to gamble for "content".
>>720957690Try it. The first dungeon is simply fantastic.You can feel that they just made a good game and slapped some gacha on top of it to satisfy the investors.The game isn't build around the gacha like all other gacha games, it's the other way around.I hate gacha because I'm not a chink, but WizDaphne is legitimately good. You don't need to spend a cent except if you want "this specific costume for that waifu" like an incel.
>>720957828In most cases, you are correct.But for this one specific game, you are wrong.
What games are good to play on a phone, apart from Daphne?DRPG sound like the best genre to play on mobile since it's turn based but I can't find good ones.
Very little Labyrinth love in this thread. You're gonna make Eureka sad...
>>720958341You can just put emulators on your phone, anon. PSP for Elminage Original.
Anyone play Bard's Tale 4? How is it?
>>720958341emulate strange journey
>>720958485these games are disgaea skinwalking as blobbers
>>720958341MIZ is a wizardry clone where you play as a halfling
>>720951810It's great, if a bit on the easier side. It's a shame that they're changing the genre in the sequel, it seems.
With how popular dungeon crawling media is getting (countless manga, anime and novels), it's weird how no one really attempts to capitalize on that. A blobber DRPG with multiple dungeons and towns, with some life sim and romance elements, would sell gazillion copies.
I'm playing Dungeon and Bride. Very interesting open ended RPG. The dungeons are very 3d with lots of going up and down, traversal magic, well designed enemy encounters.Too bad the porn is 99% NTR shit but it's uncommon enough that I don't even care anymore, it's just a fun dungeon crawler.More games should have hand drawn armor that changes characters' portraits. Must have been a huge amount of work.
>>720896151>everything looks washed out as fuckif you think daphne isn't colorful enough you're kinda fucked lelthe only thing I can think of is those japanese wiz1 clones like class of heroes or experience's entire library
>>720958341slice and diceit have demo, its addictive
>>720960138I actually want to make my own one day but the stuff I want to make doesn't have the setting to capitalize on that in the first place.
>>720910594it's exactly as you describe it, yesand some people enjoy thatfilling out the dungeon feels nice, it's the same kind of monkebrain feeling as watching number go up
>>720960138>he thinks because zoomies read manga/listen to podcasts about fantasy dungeon crawling adventures that they actually want to play drpgs like they're an untapped ripe marketLMAOOOOOOOOOOOO RETARD
>>720910594>pay like 99% of your entire haul to heal and restockkino, more games should do that
>>720952252You gon' get rapaxed
>>720960138People like to see their characters on the screen. Yes this seemingly trivial requirement is a big enough detriment to the genre to hamper its viability.
>>720953217Competent, with some absolutely baffling design decisions (like the resurrection costs being completely out of tune). It actually got an enhanced edition on Switch, but it was neither released on PC, nor translated to english.
>>720961324So do like Shining the Holy Ark does and have a dude who jumps forward.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/4005090/Dungeon_Antiqua_2/Something to keep an eye on
>>720961530But that's four niggas in a row, not six niggas in a square.
>>720960957Yes, actually. Zoomies yearn for the dungeons, the only thing needed is an entryway drug.
>>720960138Dungeon Meshi was created thanks to the author watching her father play Wizardry with her as a child. So yeah, play wiz daphne anyon.
>>720961615It's an un-blobbed wizardry, just like the first gamehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3198540/Dungeon_Antiqua/
>>720961530Is the first one any good? It's only $8
>>720961712no blob, no buy.
>>720961760It's good, but super short, the first playthrough took me 4 hours. There's a leaderboard for how fast you get to (and defeat) the last boss, so maybe short length is intentional.
>>720915219>for now i've eliminated standard attacks since skills and items are the interesting/fun parttardbro...
>>7209617051. it's a gacha2. there's no life sim elements to it. you don't cook, you don't fish, your main character is a rotting corpse with no dick, you don't forge bonds and have heartfelt taks with your comrades
>>720946065Based. Take good care of your Chloe and be absolutely sure to make her bathe.
>>720961712Isn't that just Crystal Project?
>>720962301you do forge bonds with your party anyon; some straight up hate you, but grow to respect youno romance shit with everyone kneeling to kiss the ground you stepped on though, this isn't a korean/chinese game; the world wants you dead. Hell, Lulu wants you dead at times (and will have a laugh when you DO die kek) god i love her
I'll be honest I've played so many blobbers and none of them scratch the itch the way Etrian Odyssey does. Great combat, great dungeons, great music, great gameplay cycle. Every time I play a different dungeon crawler it's like this is fun but damn I wish there was a new Etrian Odyssey.
>>720962790Sorry, anon. No DS, no mapmaking, no new game.
>>72094168370% through thisIts a bootleg devil summoner clone except the demons work like personasI think it runs on some RPGmaker version which uses Javascript so the performance is fucking awful. You'll encounter random frameskips and obnoxious 1 to 2 second loading times between menus. You might hate it if you're an autistic minmaxer since the game has a bunch of items and skills which offer permanent stat increase on level ups and trying to maximize gains from those gets annoying.
>>720948580you make your fighters into samuraininjas are just a wasted slot
>>720898052Here you go fren
>>720953217bad
>>720962790I was like that 'till I played Daphne and now... it's hard to go back to Etrian. Daphne was made by ex-Acquire devs (tenchu, octopath, etc) the director made games like Way of the Samurai so you know the world is filled to the brim with details and esoteric interactions. The art has Kosaki as character designed, but most importantly, Katsuya Terada (a GOD of illustration) is the monster designer. Music is by Hitoshi Sakamoto. The seiyuu is filled with stars like Inorin and Koyasu, but most importantly, it has seiyuus that worked in Record of Lodoss War including the original efuru that started it all Deedlit (Yumi Toma.)It's not just memes, this fucking game *somehow* got an all star development team to make fucking voodoo magic. It was funded by the japanese government; it was so successful it practically saved the company from bankrupcy. One of the most interesting games released past year. It was Yoko Taro's game of the year.Even more important than it all: it has made Wizardry popular once again in Japan. It's main demographic are hardcore gamers and ojiisans. You see +50yo players on twitter posting their love for the game every day; and it's now filled with fan art all the time. It's the closest we'll ever get to a bloober popularity explosion.
I hate gachafags so much it's unreal.
>>720963530>post talking about EO>Daphne shill out of fucking nowhereI refuse to play the game because of people like you.
>>720907167i never played this but i had Shining in the Darkness for the Genesis and i liked that. that game was where i first learned the phrase "tally-ho" and i still think of Shining in the Darkness anytime i hear it (which isn't often, but still).
>>720963660>>720963759Nobody gives a shit what you think.
>>720963530>Katsuya TeradaHe did the art for Tale of the Forsaken Land, didn't he? I liked that game. Wish we'd gotten an English version of Busin 0 at some point.
>tfw love party building and turn based combat>fucking hate mazes and having to search for hidden passagesI wish there was a genre with the retard proof hallway dungeons of modern rpgs but the combat of wizardry and etrians.>>720963530does it have the gadgeteer class though?
>>720962790I feel like if there's one thing the games get right, as shallow as it sounds, it's that you get to feel cool, mainly the later games. Even something as basic as Imperial which is just a warrior with a giga nuke sword feels awesome to use.
>>720963778A classic. RIP in peace, Yoshitaka Tamaki.
>>720895989Sort of, I like the perspective but I don't like having a party. I prefer games like King's Field.
>>720963963Does a lot of Japanese Wizardry have gadgeteers? I thought they mostly stuck with the original eight, sometimes with OCs or early-Dark-Savant additions like bard. I didn't think Wizardry 8 was particularly popular with the Japanese either.
>>720963935TotFL is part of the Busin series; everyone is begging for a translation of the sequel/prequel, and thanks to Daphne, it may happen one day!>>720963963it's slowly adding more classes. We got Ninja and Samurai, they promised more later on. Lord should be this or next year; from there, all the classic classes will be here, and the exotic ones will start being developed. We finally got confirmation that beastfolks are ALL the animal races from past games, so true furry/lizards are on the board now (i personally cant wait for rawulf adventurers.) The holy grail we all are waiting are pixies that have been confirmed since promo art... any day now...
>>720895989I played the original wizardry games last year and thought they were a really cool adaptation of tabletop dungeon crawling, especially for the time they were made. It was surreal seeing how the game did its best to adapt D&D random encounter tables despite the hardware limitations of the time, and realizing that all the endless turn-based RPGs spawned from the original blobbers missed that point entirely.
>>720964546Have you played Ultima too? Because that was the other game that DQ copied.
>>720964546There was an event on Daphne were characters from a Wizardry manga actually came from the wireframe looking dungeons. I was so fucking cool. Also, 98% of the playerbase couldn't kill the event boss because it was too hard kek.
>>720963963>>720964405Weird as it sounds, Elminage sort of made its own spin of the gadgeteer...with its version of the Alchemist.It's not really Wiz8's Gadgeteer but you can still combine stuff to create unique tools like something that lets you breathe underwater, consumables that erase or restore fixed random encounters, objects that let you see the exact dice rolls and so on, on top of that Elminage Alchemists can use certain materials to buff equipment to the stratosphere by giving them racial affinities or other nifty perks.
>>720964487>rawulfHuh don't you mean felpurrs?
>>720961705as other anon said, its gachachatter is nice but no relationship or anything like that, little customization
>>720915219You know that "skills" become common attacks when you remove the common attack right? This is something that made Diablo 3 total shit in my opinion, you get a weapon then never once use it because all you use is skills.
Stop calling it blobbers for fuck's sake.
>>720963530the company is retarded tho, no wonder they were at brink of bankruptcy their gacha is also in credibly jewy and in dumb way
>>720964487will there be mooks?>>720964796does it get the omni gun though? that thing carried me in the fight against the sea monster.
>>720965159That's not an apt comparison at all. All Diablo games have a generic Basic Attack/Auto Attack/whatever you want to call it. An actual example of this would be Darkest Dungeon. Not a single class has 'Attack' as an option, everything they do is a skill.Your issue with Diablo 3 is that all offensive skills' damage was tied to your weapon damage, unlike Diablo 2 where you could have a dagger that does 1 damage per strike but it had +10 to Fireball, making it really good for a Sorceress.
>>720964954we got a full felpurr, MEANING that full rawulfs are confirmed to come sooner or later. We already have a female one (Savia) male ones should be full beasts. >>720965062but there is a relationship system anon, and there is a SHITLOAD of combat/character/gear customization. It's a fully realized/developed videogame first and gacha second.Costumes wise there is also a good variety with some characters having up to 4 different costumes depending on their job and special quests completed. Some even more if they got a special banner with an alternative style. >>720965339and it works for them kek, they got the ojisan market that nobody else was getting. It's a crazy game in so many perspectives.>>720965351uhm, I would be first in popular japanese races. I wouldn't bet in the cosmic side of Wizardry.
>>720964405basic classes are>fighter>knight>thief>priest>mageadvanced classes>ninja>samuraialmost all characters can dual class(but only in pre designed option)what even gadgeter do?
>>720964546>>720964794
>>720959621I doubt that.
>>720965421>and it works for thembut it not works for us, little content, bugs, little currency>>720965421I mean relationship between other adventurers, there is none, all you get is random chatteryou can raise affections to MC but that is alland I mean visual customization, sure you can equip stuff but it don't change look of characters, alt skins are limited(there is like less than a dozen alternate skins total)nd often low effort(like request skins being mostly recolors) and class changed skins are locked into the class
>>720965351>does it get the omni gun though?No, as I said, it's not really the same as the gadgeteer so you do not create new equipment but rather buff preexisting one, you do create alchemical items that serve as various support for dungeon crawling.Elminage's Alchemist is really a weird mix of Wiz8 Alchemist and Gadgeteer, you get some odd selection of spells and the ability to craft some gadgeteer style items.It's also notable that directly reclassing an Alchemist into a hunter will let the Hunter inherit ALL Alchemist cantrips unlike any other class, and in Gothic there IS a gun in the endgame that synergizes with a skill unique to hunters that lets them shoot anything that suffers from any status ailment for free every round, and of course Alchemists are the masters of status ailments as well so with some serious mental gymnastic you sorta do have the omnigun...
>>720965428>what even gadgeter do?they have gadgets that work like bard instruments and they have a special gun that gets more powerful as you level up.
>>720955132Class of heroes 1 + 2 got a re-release recentlyClass of Heroes 3 is new
>>720966871The english translation is new. 3 came out just a bit after 2 but was never translated until now, 15 years on. The remakes also gave a new translation to the first two, so no more pinp slapping samurai
Class of Heroes was made by the Wizardry Daphne team btw
>>720965414I am in fact referring to the auto attack, I like seeing my character use his weapon. When your weapon is constantly covered in particle effects it makes the game less fun.
>>720967035Have people managed to do any kind of modded/custom portraits for the CoH games? Feels like this should be a must for every blobber by now.
>>720966871look cheap
https://store.steampowered.com/app/3413150/Makai_Agito/This any good?Or any other suggestions for simple indie dungeon crawlers?
Anyone remember when Stranger of Sword City came out on PC? /v/ had some good threads, mostly about custom portraits kek.
>>720967201It definitely is. Playing through the English release, my main complaint is that I keep seeing the same enemies I've seen ages ago. And I don't even mean just recolors. There were these trees that hit like a bitch in the third dungeon when I was only about level 10. I'm near the end of the main story, they're still showing up even though they're just a joke now, I one shot them extremely easily.
>>720967018Interesting. Didn't know.>>720967201Never said it wasn't.
>>720967443
I thought blobber was specifically for Dungeon Master style games, not turn-based shit.
>>720967953>Dungeon master Uhh?>>720967750>No ricardo
>>720967750Please tell me the game animates the portraits based on actions used, and that they're not completely static at all times.
>>720968027lol
>>720895989>blobbersI only learned of this word from the last dungeon crawler thread a few weeks ago.
>>720896151>everything looks washed out as fuckIf that colorful-ass blobber is what you consider "washed out", your mind has been raped by moe anime. Kill yourself, preferably right now.
>>720898052fucking kill yourself
>>720905801Mmmm, nah, you're just a faggot. Etrian is dogshit.
>>720968027Wiz 8 is close
>>720967415Path of the Abyss is one I finished recently
>>720968281>Etrian is dogshit.
>>720938736bAsed
>>720967415see>>720963009
>>720962301It's not a gacha. It has gacha but it's not a gacha.
>>720963009>bootleg devil summoner cloneSOLDSucks altus is never gonna make anything like that again.
>>720968332>no KenAshcorp
>>720963759>I refuse to play a good game because people talk about it positively on /v/Grow up incel, you don't matter.
>>720964794I couldn't beat the dragon. Since I was max level the scaling was notoriously unfair and I kept losing, so I gave up.
>>720962790Wizardry 8. No i'm not joking.
>>720898052>DRM only allows the game to run on a native Windows environmentDropped.
>>720965185>Stop calling it blobbers for fuck's sake.It's a meme here to gaslight people into believing that it's a real term that always existed. They make fake screenshots and everything.
>>720938736if you don't have the time to play*
>>720968942Being this delusional isn't healthy.
>>720926174>>720937708I recognize this UI from that code something experience games
>>720968073It was invented here in 2024.
>>720963963>tfw love party building and turn based combatif you're not allergic, you may try touhou genso wanderer series
>>720969221>>720969016
How bad is this shit?
>>720969710it's older than you are
>>720969710full access to your computer basically>>720969802what are you talking about nigger
>>720963009>I think it runs on some RPGmaker version which uses JavascriptGoddamn it, I hate that shit. I've come across a few games that use it and they always run like crap regardless of the computer, even though RPG Maker games shouldn't take more than a potato machine to run.
>>720969710>Kernel level anti-cheatI don't give a fuck what game it is. Don't install that shit.The worst part is that those things don't go away.
>>720907167Best fuckin dungeon crawler i ever played m8. Me and my bro are actually making a blobber inspired by stha.
>>720895989blobbers? ohh, you mean role playing games. suuure, I like role playing games.
>>720970341>"muh kernel!">installs logitech drivers
>>720970981>ImplyingI haven't used logitech kuso in like 15 years.
>>720969071same studioit's amazing how they managed to keep the gameplay virtually unchanged for 30 years
>>720970573Four niggas in a row.
>>720970573you roleplay as 6 dudes in 2 rows?meds now
>>720898052why cant jap devs lock in this hard when making actual games jfc
>>720972369simply gacha is like x100(0) times more profitable and practically no risk
>>720967443I remember, those were some comfy times. Doubly comfy for me since I already played it previously on vita and there was no risk of spoilers.
I kinda liked Wizardry Variants Daphne when it has stuff to do but outside of the main story dungeons, the content is rather lacking.I really wish it was not a gacha but instead a full game you buy once with no paid gacha shit. But I understand, it's the current state of the industry.
Toughts on these games and Labyrinth of Yomi?
>>720973032Saviors of Sapphire Wing is fun, they actually do try to sell you the characters (they are set but can be any class)Stranger of Sword City is portrait kino. Also technically a sequel to SoSWThey have baller soundtracks btw>Labyrinth of Yomi?The best gameplay you can find in an experience game.
>the entire genre is carried by East making endless copies of Wizadry with anime tiddies why west indiefags refuse to participate?
>>720974736Grimrock is arguably the best of them all.
>>720926174>>720937708spoonfeed me the files. I downloaded one years ago and it BSOD my PC
>>720974793This. I only come into these threads in hopes to see someone discuss nonweeb games but alas every thread is hijacked by the same etrian/gachawizardry spam.
>>720930808Wish I knew about this program when I was trying to understand what the hell was happening in Wiz 7
>>720896042Potato flowers in full bloom
>>720974793>>720974903Grimrock is Dungeon Master (real time, puzzle heavy), not Wizardry (TB, stats, party building heavy)
>>720973032Stranger of Sword City will kick your ass like the good boy you are.Revisited balance out the difficulty a bit.
>>720975029And both are blobbers.
>>720974736fuck it. I've been soul searching for a game I actually give enough of a shit about to see development through from start to finish. that's never gonna happen so may as well reassert western dominance in dungeon crawling. shits gonna be wizardry 1 as fuck though because I hold deep hate and infinite vitriol in my heart.
Is the Krondor series considered a blobber?
>>720902504>>720910159>>720911624>>720912337>>720944626>>720945517>>720958513>>720965918I have Elminage Gothic on PC, heard Elminage Original is more beginner friendly. How good are these games for a DRPG/blobber noob?
>>720969710just use chink emulator
>>720975197It is a hybrid. Bloober during exploration and tb tactics during combat. But since it doesn't take place solely in dungeons, it doesn't get grouped with its other peers.
>>720975220Original is a good introduction if you never played Wizardry or the Empires spinoffs, Elminage is pretty much offbrand Wizardry Empires.Original is easy until the postgame, but it will feature almost fully open progression that you will have to figure out on your own and dungeons tend to feature some soft puzzles, including a dungeon dedicated entirely to a puzzle, the game is easy enough that you can run any party casually and beat it provided you pay some modicum of attention and learn how the classes work, being the first Elminage it also means most classes are ridiculously overpowered, most notably thieves, alchemist and brawlers, Gothic nerfs most of these so you actually have to know what the hell you're doing rather than having a brawler erase entire enemy groups on his own as if he's Lu Bu.There's also some really fun mechanics that the series progressively drops because they're too OP, like stealing enemies' built in equipment, as in you can legitimately steal dragon fangs and claws and use them on your party members while said dragon doesn't know what the fuck he can do to you since you can even steal his fire breath, literally, Original thieves are busted.
>>720975817How does Wizardry Empires series differentiate from regular Wizardry? Are any of them any good?>said dragon doesn't know what the fuck he can do to you since you can even steal his fire breath, literally, Original thieves are busted.KEK. I'll get Original on sale.
>>720964546Every other RPG took from it.Wizardry is as influential as Super Mario Bros, maybe more so.
>>720976112>How does Wizardry Empires series differentiate from regular Wizardry?It's more or less just more Wizardry V, as the series progresses it tends to incorporate its own specific quirks and classes that are a mixture of Dark Savant classes and some new original stuff.Elminage was born because the devs that made the Empires games lost the rights to the IP so they created a new one that is pretty much just a direct evolution and in fact even used assets from the Empires games, for all intents and purposes though there's no reason to ever go back to Empires as even the first Elminage is already more fleshed out than those.The thing about Elminage is that while it does have a lot of classic Wizardry DNA it still tries to add its own spin on a lot of things, including some fairly original classes like the Herbalist, the Servant and the Summoner which lets you pretty much plays as a roided Werdna, or in terms that are more known to /v/, you can pretty much turn the game into bootleg SMT as Summoners can recruit ANY enemy in the game if the pass the binding check and even turn them into legit characters rather than just automated summons.
So what do we think of today's Daphne patch?
>>720976958good
>>720976958If it's not the fourth dungeon I don't care.Small patches are just to milk the waifugacha subhumans.
>>720895989Any good ones on 3DS/DS or PSP/Vita?
>>720975029
>>720922138that's vancian magic
>>720978309It's kinda dumb really. I think mana points are the best spell system for gaming.
>>720975347Sucks there isn't more games like it. Was a favourite from my DOS era.
>>720975347It's funny, I grew up reading the Riftwar Saga/Feist novels, but I only realised they had games in the last few years.
When is wizardry getting an overlord collab Did they make the promotion quest past lvl 30 easy yet
>>720898052>mixed>in-app purchases>kernel-level anti-cheat>reviews complaining about in-game adsYeah, no
>>720978880>Did they make the promotion quest past lvl 30 easy yetNew characters powercreep old characters it's not even funny anymorelvl30 promotion quest is a joke nowThere are compilations of one hit killing old bosses, just 30k damage in one hithttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/MB2WnsCunqs
>>720896042Heroes of the seven islands released last week, might quell my thirst for Might & Magic replay
>>720978967Half the reviews are complaining that the game is pay2win (read: too hard for them).
>>720960232The art style looks ridiculous
>>720979636Top review - with over a thousand hours of playtime - mentions being kicked out of the game due to an ad starting to play automatically. That's pretty damning
>>720980069>Got kicked out of game randomly with any auto advertisement websites such as youtube while in game, then cannot log back.What the fuck does that even mean
>>720895989I liked Might and Magic 6, Etrian Odyssey 3, To Heart 2 Dungeon Travelers a lot
>>720980392Game crashed while he was playing
>>720980069I'm 80 hours in. Closest thing to in game ads are notification dots about new stuff in store which are just new bundles to sell $70 gem and pull packs. Overpriced gatcha bullshit, but nothing close to auto playing ads.
No thoughts, just swing until the enemy is dead.This is how I enjoy my bloobbering.
>>720961324>People like to see their characters on the screen.Which is why we have DRPG off shoots that do exactly that, we just call him JRPGs by default for some reason thoughbut.
>>720967443>>720967750>>720972738is it a good game?
>>720981846If there’s one complaint I have about this game, it’s that there’s no proper huge, dumb big smash class in the game. I thought Dark Lord was gonna be that but it was a bit underwhelming for that purpose. That’s one thing I’m not a fan of for a lot of these games, it almost always puts an emphasis on hitting lots of times, single strikes tend to be really underpowered.
>>720982820there's the unite attack, I've seen a screencap of someone doing a damage cap attack with Ruri on the snek boss
>>720895989>haven't touched DT2 in like half a year>still stuck on the villa after getting the princess and meidoI feel like I can't touch my other crawler games until i finish the main game for it.Call it autism but i hate dropping games if I was enjoying them
>>720960232>hand drawn armor that changes characters' portraits + nude armorI will now buy your game.>That male character design + the porn is 99% NTRI will no longer buy your game.
>>720983472I can't remember what I did to beat that, I just had the nun (turned nudist witch) nuke everything through the main story desu.
>>720980041I was pretty shocked it wasn't a game from the early 2000s>>720983737They should've asked Alicesoft if they could use Rance. He would improve every porn game
>>720976336It's entertaining to trace back the lineage of RPGs and seeing how almost all of them come back to Wizardry, which is itself based on D&D, which is itself based on LotR.I sometimes wonder what video games would be if LotR never existed.
>>720984106I'm still mourning that hobbits didn't get translated into a race of barefoot lolis that are omnipresent in anime fantasy media.
>>720960232>hand drawn armor that changes characters' portraitshate to defend slop, but i think i'd be ok if someone hand drew equipment and base character portraits, and then used ai to generate portraits with all the different armor combinations
>>720984867Yeah it would be an ideal use for it, especially with some manual touchup. In this game all the races had to have somewhat similar proportions to make armor edits minimal. A lot of armor is gendered too, though you can still get some pretty feminine looking armor on your guys.It's fun when you forget to equip underwear on a guy and his dick sticks out from under his armored skirt
>>720976336It's not just rpgs, basically the entire japanese fantasy genre is based directly or indirectly on wizardry. Yes, you can blame sirtech for isekai.
JAPANESE GOBURIN
>>720985614Wasn't there something about a guy buying a D&D Rulebook while on vacation in America?
>>720985638>goblinNo.
>>720975029Grimrock is also finnish which explains the autism part.
>>720985638Really gotta appreciate that it says "please select a target", very polite of the game.
>>720978396I didn't say it was good or bad, just what its called.it isn't some unique mechanic thought up for a rance game, its from some fantasy series and been used in a lot of games.
i need...busin translation...please...
>>720985896Dnd was popular in japan for a short time around when the original wizardry games were being made, but it fell off in popularity and influence relatively quick. Wizardry was and is a much bigger deal there long-term.Oh yeah, you can also blame sirtech for dogbolds, not a mistranslation the dnd monster manual as is often claimed.
COH3 SOON
>>720985614 It's insane how direct the line is too. Wizardry hits Japan in the '80s, they tweak it with anime aesthetics and suddenly you get an entire genre's worth of stuff spawning from it-Etrian, SMT, even stuff like Sword World and Lodoss. And then modern isekai just took that same formula and slapped truck-kun on top of it. Sir-Tech accidentally rebuilt an entire mythos on the other side of the planet and probably never realized it.
>>720982730>is it a good game?Overall rather good, but the grinding and leveling up is kinda overbearing. Also I hated the Life Points system.
>tfw got tricked into buying dungeon travelers 2 by /v/
>>720967443Reminds me I should give another try to my Mr.Magoo meme build in that game. All luck, no fucks.
>>720960232one thing I realized after a few months of research into drpgs is there just isn't much out there that's new. You really do have to start looking into hentai drpgs to find something interesting even if most of them are braindead easy. There was one in black and white with a fox girl I enjoyed, Girl in Dungeon as well but as you also mentioned most of the sex is NTR in this shit so you can't win for losing..
>>720988271>buyinganon.... also yeah it's a monster sex game you didn't know?
>>720990949>also yeah it's a monster sex game you didn't know?yeah but it's ugly as fuck (and ez)
>>720991190>t.
>>720895989Been playing this monster game called silarim ultimate or something. Its fun as a game you play on the side of a video.
>>720979281It's not powercreep, samurai is an advanced class.Also who cares about some whale (skill level 7 lmao) applying a meta strategy like some incel.That's not a real way to play the game.
>>720895989What are the best games in this genre, like with the most classes.
>>720992442It's powercreep, and recent 2H buffs make it even sillierWe used to have 700 damage skills/spells, now if you don't do 5k damage per turn you are severely undergearedGame is not even at 1st anniversary, and it's mismanaged beyond joke.
daphne is what happens when the entire monkey paw curls
>>720992775getting iarumas to hit 800 on that dam dragon was pretty sweet
The majority of the party building in Daphne is protected behind a huge paywall. If you're a F2P cuck, you're just going to be grinding for resources with a basic bitch combat system with no meaningful decision making nor resource management, and if you're going to spend money, might as well play an ordinary DRPG or just another genre instead of going through the humiliation ritual.That said, I can't deny the "high" production values is extremely pleasant.
Class of Heroes 3 just dropped.Playing it now.
>>720959269And that's a good thing!
>>720973032I'll play these games during the weekend nowThanks for the recommendation anon
>>720995835Speaking of it, I don’t know why some classes or subclasses just give you random agility boosts for equipping armor that has no boosts, and in some cases it applies only for the subclass. For example, I have an Otaku subclassed as an Idol, if I swap the classes around so Idol is the main class, she becomes a lot slower. It’s so weird.
>>720997818Probably there's some passive effect that's listed somewhere 12 menus deep and potentially translated wrong.
>>720997818That depends on what agility does. Maybe it's a way to catch up and avoid making them slow as shit.
>>720984106Fantasy is still all pervasive (all inspired from history, myth and folklore). It is how you translate it into maths and mechanics that facilitated imagination was the sauce. Thank this nigga for that.
>>720998550Yeah, I noticed in creation that the stats referenced weren't the ones shown and assumed they half-assed the translation.
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>>720997818If we use more basic classes, like fighter and thief, would you not expect the thief to still be faster with fighter subclass than a fighter with thief subclass? I guess I wouldn't personally expect an otaku to be faster than an idol, so from a logical perspective it seems weird, but even if there isn't some passive effect that you're missing (half-assed translation or not), often classes have hidden increases in stat scaling anyway to increase their effectiveness at their given role.
>>720998550It’s not listed anywhere. I noticed it on Dancer though, on top of the previous mention. I have no idea how it works.>>720998601It’s just action speed from what I’ve noticed so far. It’s a big boost too, something like 50 agility.
>>720895989Whole thread with Jun Sumei art shared?
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Should i play Variants Daphne?I liked Tales Of The Forsaken Land and Labyrinth Of Lost Souls.
>>720998893I’m probably missing something, because it’s something that only happens when you equip stuff. You’ll get a boost, usually a big one. Other classes have something like that to an extent, but it’s much smaller. And some things are things you can easily imply or are listed, like equipping weapons the class isn’t proficient in gives less attack and the passive that gives more evade with less armor. This is the single mystery.
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>>720999337
yes
drpgs are sovlful. We will get a real game that's as good looking as Wiz Daphne sooner or later trust the plan.
>>721000220based
>>721000375so diiirty...
>>720971923What was the name of those titles again? I forgot even though I'm sure I have one downloaded>>720998880Half the library is between those systemsAnd it always depends on what you played
>>720998880If you haven't played dark spire (on DS) yet, stop what you're doing and play it
>>720988271>Buyingloool
>>721001096thanks
>>720999149Depends on your tolerance for gachashittery. You can, in theory, beat all the content with whatever no name bozos you can scrape up from f2p gacha pulls, but the game will try it's hardest to convince you that's not the case and that you should buy more pulls. If you are able to withstand the psychological bullshit and f2p anyway, then you'll probably enjoy it if you like the other JP wizardy games.
Why do blobbers not invest on character animations?
>>721002002Devs think it doesn't pay off.
>>721002002Money, and it's more workload for them, it can be done but generally it's uncommon.
