Primary melee means more strict yet less fun
>>720917746>GAME I LIKE: GOOD>GAME I HATE: BADokay retard whatever
>>720917918It's funny because it's more likely than not that you operate under the same principle.
>>720917918He's not wrong tho, top two are better than bottom two
>>720917918> YOUR OPINION: SUBJECTIVE AND INCORRECT> MY OPINION: OBJECTIVE TRUTH???Also missing the point
>>720917746What is this image even trying to conveynone of these games have anything in common besides Metroid and Silksong being the same genre
>>720917746>noooo you can't mix genres and ideas because... oh my god you just can't, okay?Eat shit. Melee + bullet hell is great. Furi is brilliant. Rabi Ribi is the best nonlinear progression-based action platformer.
>>720918234>>720918326> not seeing pattern in boss design> not seeing how cuphead is both more difficult and more fun because you don't have frustration from dodging and chasing>>720918326metroid is mixed and on top, metroidvania is action-platformer or some shit
>>720918234i think it's about how ranged vs melee games operateall of them have little in common however, so who knows what OP baited us with, beyond X SUX PROFF ME WRONG
>>720918537"melee bullet hells" have been a thing in video games way before souls games even existed.. what the fuck are you talking about
>>720918567>>720918673The point of these images is in this message>>720918537Your replies are pretty reddit because they don't prove me wrong or expand the whatever discussion can take place, they're just rephrased "apples vs oranges"
>>720918537>he thinks Cuphead is a better game than Furioh I see the problem: you are a retarded niggerfaggot.
This has nothing to do with primary melee, souls combat system just sucks. Sekiro is great precisely because it's an action game, not a souls game.
>>720919497Why do you think souls combat sucks
>>720917746Dual analog control schemes and diamond face buttons layouts have been a disaster for game design.They never work and they usually just mean that 1/6th of your available inputs are occupied by some irrelevant shit like camera controls, so the shoulder buttons need to pull all the weight of the gameplay while the left analog stick fumbles everything.At least sometimes the left analog stick pulls its weight when it's used to direct hordes of minions or make your character dodge, but when it's used to aim or look around it is super weak.Diamond face buttons just reinforce this by making none of the face buttons very important when these are buttons that the game should be using to teach the player from first principles and figuring out which actions are fun.That's what is making the game strict, yet less fun, you're stuck playing cameraman like in souls or overcomplicating shit like in Metroid Dread which only would have needed standard 8 directional aiming like the old games.
>>720919328i didn't even play itbut 1 game with hypothetically good melee bullet hell doesn't justify all others anyway
>melee bullet hellIt's called a platformer, you remedial.
>>720917746Dread sucks. The counter mechanic that these dogshit devs introduced in Samus Returns is trash and ruins Metroid. That is all
>>720919264>incoherent ramblingscall nutriments nigger or the zelda(?) essayfag, those are at least interesting in their autistic arrogancecould just make a point like a normal fucking person, and not this wack explpitable in the OP
>>720917746Cuphead is one of the least fun games I've ever played. You literally just hold the fire button down the entire time while jumping over bullets. Sometimes a pink bullet shows up and you jump a second time. I don't know if I could design a less engaging "hard" game if I tried.
>>720919730It's because you initially don't want to be open to my point you refer to its form, while it's been presented in humorous way specifically for people to not take too seriouslyI'm not here with a fucking PhD thesis or something, you either think for yourself what do I mean, especially after I've said it explicitly or don't reply with your brilliant perception on communication
primary melee is "less fun" to you because you are not good at video games
>>720917746rollslop have a disaster for gaymingtoo late, but at least people is starting to realize
>>720919960it took only 20 replies for another certified gamer G O D ® with capital G and capital O and capital D you fucking AI-replaceable shit, how do you think, did I beat those games before shitting on them or not?and, more importantly, did (You) beat them you you goon on Miquella all day and pretend you've won?
>>720919557It's slow and boring. Both attacking and movement are restricted by stamina. Lack of movement and defensive options, parry in souls is too risky and detached from blocking, primary defensive option is rolling. The combat system seems to be designed to be accessible and the difficulty comes from the enemies, so your attacking options are lacking too. I like bloodborne, which I consider to be a step away from souls; and I love sekiro, which is a proper action game.
>>7209195788-directional aiming requires actual level design to consider sightlines and enemy locations. Free aim puts it on the player to figure out.
>>720920118not "you you" but "or you"
>>720917746>m-muh Dork Souls1997, you retarded zoomer. assassinate a podcaster as penance.
>>720919578>>720920167Based and thoughtful replies, thank you (unironically)
Silksong is fun (so far - maybe I'll sing the same song as the Op later in the game), Elden Ring was a snoozefest from start to finish. Can't believe that shit is so popular. I have to wonder if Op ever played 3d ninja gaiden games. Primary melee is the best when done properly.
>>720920239I'm 1996 but from Eastern Europe so PC have been only gaming platform until I've bought Switch and PS4 few years ago I know I've missed some cult classics :(
Congratz on making an image that manages to convey 0 information.
>>720920163>It's slow and boringIt's meant to be grounded fantasy>Both attacking and movement are restricted by staminaAnd that's bad how?>Lack of movement and defensive options Bro your shields? >parry in souls is too risky and detached from blockingSkill issue>primary defensive option is rollingLiterally not true
>>720920339I haven't, but I plan to play ninja gaiden 4
>>720920118mad
>>720920623>And that's bad how?It dictates the flow of combat, making it slow. Did you play sekiro?
>>720920167Which sort of makes it a given that it was included in game that put so little thought into its level design beyond constantly ushering the player through turnstiles into the next set of 3 isolated rooms, but it's still bad and limits how complex the actual fun gameplay can be, a symptom of which can be seen in the overuse of timing challenges, aka parries, that are only concerned with hitting the button at the right time, rather than spacing or problem-solving, which would have been much easier if you had face buttons which are much more adept at sticking in the player's headspace.
>>720920650If you enjoy ng4 you should play more action games. I'd tell you to watch guides on youtube before playing to alleviate the learning phase, but I would hope a game released in this year has good tutorials.
>>720920703Just because both ar action gams, dosn't mean they need to adhere to the same combat philosophyYou complaining that souls games rquire stamina managment so you can't just attack forever and saying that parrying is too risky just makes you sem like a shitter desu
>>720920623NTA> It's meant to be grounded fantasybut bosses are fast, it's playable character that's slow> And that's bad how?because bosses are fast :) "stamina management" is fromdrone's way of saying "if you get better at fighting boss, you only need less tries, but not less time", which is reinforced further by scripting using more aggressive attacks back-to-back if you damage them too much> Bro your shields?Nerfed since DS3 (more combos so stance is broken), just like parrying (less bosses to parry OR few parries to riposte doesn't justify crit damage)Primary defence option *is* rolling and don't put a smart basedjak face to mention jumps or sprinting away
>>720920774Based, basedOP, FWIW>>720920870I think I'll go blind and watch guides if I get stuck, we'll see
>>720920894You can stop the player from attacking forever in more interesting ways, e.g. through enemy behavior, like it's done in bayonetta. Sure I'm a shitter at souls - I don't play games I don't enjoy. I'd rather spend my time with something I like, e.g. Nioh.
>>720921010>but bosses are fast, it's playable character that's slowWith the exception of NPC battles, bosses are literally inhuman. You're a human dude going up agaisnt monsters, demigods and other legendary beings, so of course they'll be OP compared to you>because bosses are fastSkill issue>Nerfed since DS3Now I know you're trolling lol
>>720921320I'm "le chosen undead" and in DS1 i didn't feel much slower compared to S&O or even Artorias (he's just a frog), in DS3 or ER I always feel like neither equipment nor weapon arts matter> Skill issueConsult this>>720920118> Now I know you're trolling lolnot proving me wrong :)
>>720921642>not proving me wrong :)The game proves you wrong. Try actually using a shield in your playthrough next time
>>720919960>>720921320motherfuckers who say "skill issue" don't know that I did beat Malenia without armor *and* without bleed and I can shit on ER for being "fast" or having annoying or difficult bosses
>>720917746I didn't know melee bullet hell was a term but I really enjoy games like that. Any game like that other than tevi, hollow knight and silksong??
>anon has several types of games to choose from>anon complainsretard
>waaa I can't manage my stamina waaaaskill issue
>>720919557Because it's no monster hunter. MH did the slow and methodical action combat thing earlier with more options and actual positional depth compared to dark souls. Souls is only good for its atmosphere/vibe but I grew out of this phase quick after I realized I could get the same thing from movies and books without the bad gameplay
>>720917746>melee bullet hellI'm glad people are waking up to this.
>>720917746>ER is... LE BULLET HELL... you have to dodge... LE EVERYTHINGRemind me, what's the cheese people tend to use against PCR?
>>720920703I played Sekiro, Sekiro is trash garbage, go play an actual action game like Nioh 2
>>720917746stick to nintendo game then what's the problem, casual babyheard a new kirby is coming out
>>720917746The fuck is a melee bullet hell? Are you brain damaged or something?
>>720922387>Because it's no monster hunterthankfully. MH is way too fucking slow>I could get the same thing from movies and bookscringe
>>720922361At 16 seconds Rellana pivots 180 degrees within one frame completely independent of her animation. Do people really defend that garbage?
>>720922521I did and I like both.
>>720922867Don't move goalposts now shitter-kun
>>720917918fip bipOP destroyed
>retards get filtered by a difficult game and try to make up all kinds of buzzwords for why the game is at fault and not their lack of skillA tale as old as time.
>>720923015I don't care about stamina management. It's not a thing unless you refuse to put any points into stamina and then exclusively jump L1 with powerstanced colossals.
Then what is the issue? Assuming you're this anon >>720921010 your complaint about shields being usless is literally false. If bosses are too agressive for you, just use a shield.
>>720917746Why are niggers here so repulsed by doing anything remotely difficult in their lives and going on to complain that somethings hard?
>people still reply to reddit threads
