Playing it for the first time and just beat Psycho Mantis, so I think about halfway through. Am I the only one that thinks the gameplay is abysmal? Did it just age poorly? I dig the story and music though.
The gameplay is kinda jank but it does force you to engage with the mechanics because of it. MGS2 is a lot smoother but as a result you're never in danger since you can just pop people in FPS view from a full room away. I recently played MGS for the first time and I think the only time I thought the gameplay was outright annoying was the Revolver Ocelot fight. The beginning health bar is just too small for a boss fight that early in the game, you're kind of forced to cheese it by just using the Square+X run to chase Ocelot around instead of actually outgunning him. Meanwhile after one or two bosses your HP balloons so much that you're never in danger in combat.
>>720965541What's wrong with it? I've been playing it today and I think it's still good.
>>720965825>MGS2 is a lot smoother but as a result you're never in danger since you can just pop people in FPS view from a full room away.Yeah, that's part of what's fucked up with MGS1. I could easily kill every guard I see with the suppressed SOCOM...if I could fucking aim the damn thing, as it stands it's only useful against bosses and you just awkwardly aim it in a direction and pray. I look forward to that then.>>720965935The stealth is too easy, literally just don't go through the cone on the minimap, hug the wall to get past cameras, done. "Tactical espionage action" should be more than that. Maybe it gets more depth later in the game, I don't know yet. The combat is very simple, no more interesting than Mario jumping on top of enemies.
>>720965541The game becomes so much shittier after that point
>>720965541>>720966296Being "simple" or "easy" does not equal "abysmal". I don't know where this idea came from.Sometimes, that simplicity IS the thing that draws people in. It's easy to read, very tactile, and any fuck-ups you can only blame yourself on.And again, not to sound like "back in my days...", but it's very important to stress how rare any sort of Stealthan' was before 1998. MGS1 and Thief 1 both practically sparked and skyrocketed the genre into popularity, a decade after the OG 2D Metal Gear games.>you're kind of forced to cheese it by just using the Square+X run It's a literal intended gameplay mechanic. How can it be a "cheese"? And did you people not know of that equipping Ration = auto heal?
>>720967194It equals abysmal because it's not fun. It's work. I have to do the stealth thingy to get to where I need to go. I have to do the combat BS to get past the boss. I'm not playing the game excited for any of those things, I'm excited by the story. In this way the game feels spiritually like a JRPG.
>>720967459It isn't work at all, no one is making you play the game retard
eh I wouldn't use the term abysmal. I think the fundamentals are mostly fine, the only element I would describe as bad would be the socom and famas aiming and that's just not a huge part of the game, action is mostly focused on getting into a position where you can do damage against bosses, not precise aiming or a lot of gunfights with guards.Is the difficulty balance in the second half of the game wonky? yes. are stealth arenas to scarce and easy? yes.mgs2 mostly solves these issues. guard vision is a good deal more threatening and the level design is more dense and constricted. also you can play on hard without having your radar taken away.
>>720967459then watch a YouTube video on the story? no ones forcing you to play it
>>720965541the controls suck on playstation 1 but you get used to it. make sure you make a lot of codec calls to really get more out of the game
I actually kinda appreciate the jank, you can't just murder hobo your way through a segment like all the future games.
But the game is fun on gameplay aloneThats why VR Missions was made. Its literally just a pack of a bunch of bite sized missions revolving around pure gameplay
Asking here cause there's no other threads. I want to play MGS2 and MGS3 but I can't play it on my PS3 cause I don't have any official controllers that'd let me use the pressure sensitive buttons. What's the next best way to play it? The PC HD collection? Getting it on the actual PS2? RPCS3?
>>720969751Get a refurbished controller retard
Tip for every boss: Just use codec, they'll just tell you. You're probably doing this but seriously there's a few fights that people don't know what the fuck they're supposed to do and the answer was just to use codec to naturally learn it instead of looking it up.
>>720967459This is the effect that homogenizing all gameplay mechanics has wrought. Zoomers are averse to learning how to play a game. You're not supposed to be able to headshot every guard across the room. The remake, Twin Snakes, did that and it sucked.>>720969751The Master Collection is good. It's just the HD collection from 2011 but better.
>>720970494How do the pressure sensitive buttons in that work?
>>720970530They remapped them, so the pressure sensitive controls are now their own discrete buttons. It's much better, so now you can hold someone up with a gun and not accidentally blow their brains out because you let go of the button too fast.
>>720965541It kinda is. After that point, the game forgets it's supposed to be a stealth game, with subsequent maps barely having any stealth at all. Also, get ready for a boss rush that will drain your resources dry.
>>720970668So, how do I lower my gun outside of unequipping it outright?
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>>720970668>>720970494I assume the PC version is the best, right?
>>720970872Click one of the sticks. L3 or R3 I think.
>>720965541Nope those are common zoomer opinions shared by many of their favorite streamer hive mind. You also forgot more zoomer buzzwords like "old" and "clunky".
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why is the gameplay so abysmal? the platforming is too easy, literally just jump over enemies. "platforming" should be more than that.
>>720969751The Master Collection was notoriously shit at release, but Konami was ridiculed so much that they course corrected the same way Nintendo did with the N64 app and made it one of the best ports.
>>720969751Get a cheap Dualshock 2 or 3.Then play them on PS3.For DS2, get USB adapter.Failing that, the PC Master Collection ports with fan fixes are a OK alternative.Chad move: get PS2.
>>720967459Lol
>>720966296>I could easily kill every guard I see with the suppressed SOCOM...if I could fucking aim the damn thing, as it stands it's only useful against bosses and you just awkwardly aim it in a direction and pray. I look forward to that then.Funny you say that, one of the biggest complaints about the Twin Snakes is that the MGS2 style gameplay trivializes multiple moments of the game
>>720975272The biggest fuckup Kojima ever did was introduce the tranq gun in mgs2. It ruined the difficulty for the games ever since.
>>720965541My last playthrough was back when I bought the legacy collection for PS3. The game is honestly overrated. Doesn't mean its bad. It is still a cool game with imo the best setting (shadow moses beats all the other places in terms of setting the mood and theme), the music, and even the cast of characters. However in regards to the actual gameplay and how they actually utilized shadow moses? In hindsight this all could have been way better. The game benefited a lot of being one of the first of its kind ever. Its probably THE GAME that popularized the movie game. More so than even FF7.
>>720969751MGS2: Substance and MGS3: Subsistence on Ps2.
>>720965541The stealth sections are just padding between the boss fights and action scenes. It's still a good game except for that torture scene, just not an amazing stealth game. If you want a good ps1 stealth game check out Tenchu: Stealth Assassins .
>>720975149How did they course correct exactly? MGS1 still looks and plays like shit compared to even a GOG version.
>>720965541For context what are your favorite PS1 games?
>>720965541Replayed it recently trying to achive BB rank with a keyboard. it aged like a fine wine. You are just a shitter
