Why is Tomba never brought up when people discuss Metroidvanias?
Because people love slop and Tomba is anti-slop
i would really prefer it if...
>>720978443i would prefer it if you would be quiet
>>720978492>>720978574Slop lovers in question
>>720978443this... looks fun
>>720978443I like that jump.
>>720978443because it's not a metroidvania?
>>720978618>>720978624Additional slop lovers join the fray
>>720978698great job, guy i don't know
>>720979035Didn't stop A Link to the Past
>>720978443i mean the game is pretty shitso maybe that's why
Someone who's played Tomba 2 convince me to play it, I liked the first one just fine, tell me like 1-5 things about it that are fun and/or good.
>>720978443nobody actually played it (except me)
mizuno cute
>>720978698But yes, you are correct
>>720978443it copies too many other games, such as using pigs as enemies.
>>720978443It's more of an adventure platformer. Combat plays barely a role in this game. Any real metroidvania has a high combat focus.
>>720979710I can't in good faith recommend Tomba 2, not while Zippo still exists.
>>720978443youtubers and streamers don't play it, how do you expect the kids of today to know about iteven those people who played it back in the day, barely talk about it nowadays. which is a shame, because it is quite fun
>>720978443I really like how when rerelease of tomba got announced comments were just about that speedrun moment
>>720979710I honestly think Tomba 2 is shit. Imo they should have kept the cartoony graphics. Just go for it and save often, no more life system, you die once its game over
>>720979801Bullshit it had a demo disc
>>720979710It has less back tracking. 1 is probably the better game due to the environment and atmosphere.
>>720980314ya everyone played that not that actual game
tomba 1 and 2 are coolwish there was tomba 3every other opinion is shit
I've never even seen gameplay of Tomba, I only know it from the memes. Is it really a metroidvania? I might try the games out then
>>720978443Not enough combat for the tryhards.
>>720980212What's Zippo
>>720980605as someone else said, it is less focused on combat. it's a sidescrolling action-adventure. but exploring the map, gaining movement abilities to progress, backtracking etc. is all thereit's been years since I played it, but I remember it being very funlook up some youtube videos or something
>>720978443his design looks french
>>720978443>>720978443alright.
>>720979710theres santa claus
>>720978443Loved tomba 2, managed to beat it despite awful pirate translation, feels good man
>>720979710Don't. It's a major downgrade.>gameplay is much more generic and bog standard>literally no reason to ever remove the two fursuits (other than equipping the pig fatsuit), you'll be playing the entire fucking game with them>Tomba looks uglier, not to mention he now needs an ugly fucking bug fairy to do the talking for him>the game world is much less cooler and the lack of cut content unironically makes the it feel much less mysterious, what you see is what you get
>>720981196Forgot the most important part: Tomba controls like ass compared to the original. He's much less nimble and athletic, it's a day and night difference.
Why are boomers so obsessed with e-celebs?
>>720979710the OST is goodthe game is prettyIdk I had fun with the game and I played it after 1yeah your retarded friend sucks but that's it
>>720979710i just finished it at 100%. it's arguably a better game but lacks the soul of the first game. It's way better when it comes to item management and tracking quests, and generally just more polished for better and for worse. if you like Tomba 1 you'd like Tomba 2.
>>720981524*zoomers/v/ used to talk about games until zoomers started flooding the place, now it's all who said what about the game and what a "lolcow" they are in real life
>>720981296>literally no reason to ever remove the two fursuits>Tomba controls like ass compared to the original:^)
>>720981992a remake of tomba 1 with a quest menu would be nice, that's the only thing I remember that felt like it was missing. and it was a nice addition to the second game.
>>720982071But Anon tomba 1 has Event menu. I think it opens when you press select it gives you option to check map, events, items and something else
>>720982368my brain is a sieve
>>720982060>have to equip the ugly as fuck fursuits to uncripple your character who controlled perfectly in the originalAnd there it is.
>>720982445>too bad to play videogamesget some skill fucboi
>>720979710It has more plot than Bubsy
>>720978443the character design of this game reminds me of adventure island
>>720983071huh, never thought of it that way, but you're not wrong.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG4iUNxtjlcthe soundtrack in Tomba 2 is a travesty compared to the original. for some reason Sony changed the music for the western release, probably using some dirt cheap freelancers
>tombaIt's Tombi, TOMBI!!!
Why are there so many pig villains in video games?
>>720985114japanese xenophobia
>>720985114>cant even name 4pathetic
>>720981993Boomers still keep talking about their speedrun e-celebs daily, you can't even have a tomba threads because of gossiping boomers mentioning an e-celeb
>>720985114Aren't most common animals used as some kind of enemy in games?
Makes me happy to see actual discussion about the game for once
>>720980670Presumably in response to some seeing Tomba 1 as "too obtuse" so they added a "helpful" tutorial character named Zippo who speaks in a helium voice and tells you the solution to things you come across.He also talks for Tomba in cutscenes.
>>720986440He is the reason I still have not played the sequel and probably never will despite loving the first game. I'm explicitly playing retro games to escape shit like this.
>>720986440God he's so annoying I wanna punch him in the face so badly.
>>720979710the sequel is strictly better as a gamebasically took everything from the first and just added more and improved on it.a lot of the people who try to shit on the sequel I suspect only played the original as a kid and never the sequel, which they experienced a lot later in life and it didn't have the same mystique for them, idk I played both around the time they released, I have nostalgia for both, but the sequel is much better and far more fleshed out.there is just so much more going in the sequel it is hard to really say specifically what is better beyond just quite literally "everything"
>>720987493I don't get why someone would try to engage with "everything is better" as the foundation of their opinion. If you just explained your passion for the sequel honestly instead of trying to be arrogant about it then many people would listen even if they like the first one better. But like that it feels more like you're bitter about people like the first one better than actually having any opinion worth listening to.
>>720987820have you played them? because it sounds like you haven'tits basically an expansion of the first game where they just made the same game but bigger with more stuff to do, more areas, larger areas, larger variety in gameplay.I cannot possibly understand how you could dislike the second game if you like the first because they play exactly the fucking sameto me its like saying you liked warcraft 3, but only reign of chaos and hated frozen throne, like what, nigga its the same game with just more stuff what are you talking about.if you dislike them both I would understandbut if you like the original how tf do you not like tomba 2 as a sequel, there has to be some other factor towards it because of how it is as a sequel.fuck unless you just REALLY like backtracking, which is the only major change, that the sequel has significantly less backtracking and opportunities to do things the first time you go there, it isn't as if there isn't stuff you want to go back for, but just less tedious backtracking.if it isn't some weird nostalgia reason you just haven't played both of them.
>>720988503I don't like the tutorial guy killing the entire flow of the game, the graphics for me are worse in every single way and the movement is worse. Besides that the first gets tons of novelty bonus for being a unique new game while the sequel is just more of the game. At least the tutorial guy is undeniably a worse change so you saying "everything is better" is honestly very hard to listen to because it's so clearly wrong. Again I just don't see the point of trying to engage with extremes. It only hurts your own standing and opinions.
>>720985282You're thinking of zoomers, we had countless great Tomba threads back when boomers were the only ones on /v/
>>720981993Yeah, it's totally zoomers who are autistically spouting speed runner memes that are older than them every time Tomba is mentioned. Fucking idiot.
>>720988801Anon no one gave a single fuck about ecelebs until zoomers, it was seen as unserious for a young adult/adult to watch and talk about fucking YouTubers or streamers
>>720988714>the first gets tons of novelty bonus for being a unique new game while the sequel is just more of the gameso you don't like the gameplay and are more interested in novelty.arguments like>it looks worseare incredibly subjectiveit looks worse? no, it doesn't.its pure opinion and isn't something you can quantify or should try to argue about, the sequel looks much better and has a far crisper aesthetic, the different areas are far more varied and interesting providing visual differences throughout the game compared to the original which is far more samey and has a far more restricted palette.>the tutorialsoh yeah very different from just pop up messages, super different to give them a character instead of just having it written then.>the movement is worsein what way?you just keep saying shit is "worse" without justifying what is actually worse about it and why that is worse.you have more movement options and get even more throughout the game, the base movement is identical to the first game, identical, if you think there is a difference, you are just objectively wrong and its a bias you have against the game if you think its any different, not a fact.>clearly wrongthe only thing clear here is that you have a deep nostalgia for the original and never played the sequel at that time. I guess I really struck a nerve directly calling that out on you that mad you spaz out like this say insane shit, as if you determine my "standing" and the quality of opinion, lmao, take ur meds schizo.
I only played 2 growing up and it's one of my favorite games. Is the remastered of 1 worth it or should I just emulate it instead?
>>720989681Why are you so angry? >you just keep saying shit is "worse"And you just keep saying it's better. None of your opinions are substantiated and you continuously make poor faith assumptions about people liking the first better. You care too much about being right in your opinions. I would have loved reading a passionate take on the sequel but this autistic /v/ screeching is just pointless.
>>720978443It's a niche game and I would prefer if it stayed like that. it's also a puzzle/adventure game mixed with light jrpg elements, you have like 130 tasks/events to solve, something that's not the focus of metroidvania games (fighting enemies, exploration, unlocking map areas with new powerups etc.), metroidvanias are actually much more simple in their design than tomba. I still consider tomba to be genuinely fun to play and one of the best games ever made.
>>720983234El Capulinita
>>720980073>>720985262
>>720990001>this post has caused you to lose standing>-5 standing>-3 opinion level>be careful, further loses in standing may incur penaltieslmao you one of those people who just loudly scream their opinions and when anyone asks why you just repeat the same thing as if they didn't hear you and don't actually have any reasons right? you have so clearly never actually had a discussion with someone that wasn't you just screaming at them.no, I gave you concrete justification for my reasoning in the overall structure of the game, about the visuals, gameplay improvements, and how similar the games are despite it being a sequel and called you out for not actually making any points at all and then you say "no you" and try to say the same thing back to me, except anyone can plainly see I did justify my arguments.you keep speaking as if you are some authority on it and your opinion is what decides reality, but you not only can't even make an argument or justify your thoughts, you are literally no one and your opinion is irrelevant>hurts your standing>hurts your opinionlmao I fucking can't
>>720990413>no, I gave you concrete justification for my reasoning in the overall structure of the gameNope. I know that in your head you believe you did so though.
>>720985114One reason is Japs think of Orcs as just being anthro pigs. In LotR Tolkein describes the orcs as having pig-like noses. Jap translations took this a lot more literally and on top of that, they look like pigs in Dragon Quest which firmly established them that way in the minds of Japanese fantasy fans, especially those that play games. It''s why for instance, Ganon is a pig.
>>720990195Thanks for the list of evil pigs in videogames.
>>720978698I got some slop in my pants for you little boy
>>720989989Remaster if you want to support the devs and the guy but the original emulated is fine too. They remade the music and you can change between old/new in the new remaster but I liked the old one better. I don’t think there’s any other changes. I won one of the games in a cereal contest and never supported the dev so I feel bad because the first game especially is one of the most unique games of all time. But the main dev Fujiwara went back to his old job at Capcom so he’s set for life no matter if you pirate or buy. This must be the first time we’ve had a Tomba thread without it all being the speedrunner meme in like a decade. >>720988503Nta but I didn’t like the 2nd game but I get what you’re saying it is an improvement but it still had flaws. The handholding and voice acting are horrible. The devs did a horrible job with the English dub and got scammed pretty sure it’s just one guy doing many characters but if you play the Japanese version the voice acting is great with prolific voice actors still in the industry. I didn’t like the 2nd because it also felt like a reboot, the plot is still so similar and it reuses so much from Tomba 1 and I wanted a very different kind of adventure.
>>720986440This type of obnoxious companion character is one of the worst trends in vidya history.
>>720989989i'd emulate it
I fucking hate the racing challenge in the first game.
>>720990496>no you didn't>the sequel looks much better and has a far crisper aesthetic, the different areas are far more varied and interesting providing visual differences throughout the game compared to the original which is far more samey and has a far more restricted palette.what do you call that?>the sequel has significantly less backtracking and opportunities to do things the first time you go thereor this?>you have more movement options and get even more throughout the game, the base movement is identical to the first gameor this?>basically an expansion of the first game where they just made the same game but bigger with more stuff to do, more areas, larger areas, larger variety in gameplay.or this?>I cannot possibly understand how you could dislike the second game if you like the first because they play exactly the fucking sameis this not elaborating further on the last point to make it clear what I am attempting to demonstrate with the prior point?this is all built off my original assertion>basically took everything from the first and just added more and improved on it.>there is just so much more going in the sequel it is hard to really say specifically what is better beyond just quite literally "everything"it seems you don't actually understand what making an argument is, you make a statement, then justify it. to make an argument against what someone else has asserted you need to actually address what they sayhere is an example of it happening in >>720989681 where I address your point about tutorials>oh yeah very different from just pop up messages, super different to give them a character instead of just having it written then.because the first game just directly has guiding messages without any character saying them.see how I DIRECTLY address the point you make.its clear you just don't actually know how to have a discussion with people and resort to screaming ignoring people.address the point, make an argument, or you are wrong
>>720990702i'm not going to say it doesn't have flaws, that would be ridiculous.probably the worst thing about the sequel is that it isn't very innovative in adding significantly new elements to the gameplay.if you want more tomba as the first game presented it, then it does exactly that and expands on it. if you wanted something new but similar, then yeah, it fails at that.personally I don't think that is an issue.I had never thought of it as a "reboot" but yeah, you really can see it like that, its quite disconnected from the original and provides a very similar experience.
>>720990792Peak comfy stuff right here
>>720991041The tutorial point is exactly where you just tried to force your wrong opinion to overwrite my personal experience with. No, the tutorial guy is not just like the tutorial signs. He is completely intrusive and honestly downgrades the experience to a children game because he is thinking and acting in place of your own thoughts. He is clearly there because they received feedback that the first game is too hard or complex.To make yourself credible you should acknowledge such points instead of trying to force the narrative that every point of your opposition is wrong.
>>720991538>force your wrong opinion to overwrite my personal experience withLMAOyeah thats called having a discussion schizowhy are you here if you don't want to have a discussion with other people? do you just want people to agree with you? to say you are right?that isn't a discussion, you should write a diary if you want.>my personal opinion>with your wrong opinionyeah you think you are an authority when you can't even make an argument or articulate a point beyond>you are wrong>this post as caused you to lose further standing>-15 standing>-40 opinion level>your low standing now makes everyone view you as a: retardthe fact you still think I might "hurt my standing" and that having a discussion "hurts my opinion" is hilarious
>>720991807>when you can't even make an argument or articulate a point beyondSays the person that continuously posts schizo garble. How about trying to make one legit point about your case?
>>720991937it seems like you missed the next line, its how image boards workthe>you are wrongis apart of that, it is utilizing the mechanics of the quote function to demonstrate this is something you are saying and I am acting as if you directly said this rather than this be me paraphrasing you with quotation marks to signify that.you do understand how that works, right anon? not see retarded that you can't actually read, right?because it sure is making it look like you are.
>>720992157You are pretty much just saying it's better because it's better, because it has more quantity. There is less backtracking. None of these are objective positive traits. When someone counters your point you're just saying they are wrong and that you're right. The rest is just ad hominem.
>>720978443It never clicked with me that Tomba 2 is a metroidvania. I always just flagged it as 'Adventure Game' in my mind. But only the latter parts of the game are walled off by abilities, aren't they? The first 70% are mostly linear and progression is gated through area-specific quests.Love this pink-haired dude though, played Tomba 2 a bunch.
>>720992452pure projectionyou have hurt your standing, continuing on like this has hurt your opinions as well.
>>720992609Ok chinese slave, 2 social credits for your efforts.
>>720992705>the rest is ad hominem>has nothing to say in any post but ad hominemlike I said, pure projection.
So when is Bowlbo coming out?
>>720992767Imagine trying to grasp at straws when any ground for fair discussion is out of the window now for ages now. You're like some retarded lefty who acts surprised that people are fighting them with their own medicine.
>>720992609I read the string and as someone with no skin in the game you are both mentally ill
>>720978443Forever tainted by that faggot chibi. Caveman did nothing wrong
>>720993230Chances are it's a bot arguing with itself.
>>720993009this has been the case since you responded to meyou are the guy who started with summing up your "argument" towards me as that my "standing and opinion" would be hurt, you were never interested in a discussion and clearly just wanted to vomit your opinion out and be "right". Every step of the way you have tried to get me with some gotcha but you are just too incompetent to actually make an argument.i'm here for the love of the game, I enjoy discussion and watching morons flail around saying dumb shit is always going to be funny to me.>>720993230sure looks that way.I will always engage with these kinds of people who have realized they cannot act this way in person due to getting dismissed so they act this way on the internet and think a discussion is a contest to win, which always breaks down to them just yelling and hoping to tire the other person out and them giving up. turns out I have a bit more stamina at it than they do, it helps that they can never actually make an argument and its hilarious to me.that probably does make me mentally ill, but damn do I enjoy it.
Because it's not really a metroidvania. Those games are designed in a way that skills act as keys for progression, whereas Tomba uses keys in a more literal sense, being items that are found or received through quests.
>>720993634>started with summing up your "argument" towards me as that my "standing and opinion" would be hurtYou are so butthurt about this. I just told you that your extremist opinion about a children game does more damage to your credibility about having legitimate points to offer. Which by the way was true. You never cared about discussing anything, just about being right. And till the end you didn't provide a single legitimate opinion that wasn't filled with pointless seethe.
It's probably on me for supporting Limited Run Gaymes, but is the digital rerelease borked input wise? I tried playing 1 on the Switch and movement feels awful. I played the demo on PS1 back in the day and don't recall it feeling that way, though obviously that was a long ass time ago tooAlso I got as far as the world with the laughing/crying flowers and didn't know where to go from there, felt like I was in the wrong area
>>720994292lmao man still thinks he is able to dictate what is right and wrong, the arbiter of opinions in the world right here ladies and gentlemen.you disagreeing with someone doesn't make them wrong. I think in the case of you specifically it actually makes them right.
>>720994494>Also I got as far as the world with the laughing/crying flowers and didn't know where to go from there, felt like I was in the wrong areagotta talk to the actor and climb the mountain
>>720994757Yes, we are almost there. Now you just need to apply that logic to yourself and then we finally reached the reason why it's retarded to be extreme about your opinions and it only serves for cancerous discussion, as you have wonderfully demonstrated.All you have to do is not be a hypocrite and apply the same principles to yourself.
>>720978443does it count as metroidvania though?
>>720994893>extremethe cognitive dissonance on display by people like you is always astounding.from your inability to formulate an argument which you try to accuse others of because you cannot understand what it even looks like, to your constant personal attacks and crying about doing it to you after you attack them, to even here and simply not understanding that you absurd opinion that you are somehow always correct is insane and just how insane it is.man really is standing behind "this will hurt your standing" and "hurts your opinion" as if he is not a lunatic for saying that.
>>720995235Yes, if you were not a complete lunatic that gets a perverted sense of satisfaction out of this as you yourself admitted then being extreme and cancerous about your opinions hurts your position in a fair discussion. Though all things concluded it's still funny how this made you so extremely butthurt that you mention it literally every post.
>>720994758I feel like I definetely did something like that, I had to give him inspiration right? Tbf last time I played it I was in hospital shitting blood and on all sorts of meds and infusions, so maybe my head wasn't quite screwed on
>>720995176Why wouldn't it
>>720992817hopefully never
>>720996026it was considered a platform back then, especially the second game being 3d and having a smaller world
>>720996216Yeah everything was considered a platformer back then, the "metroidvania" term didn't gain popularity until the 2000s
>>720978443>MetroidvaniasThey are called "search-action games" now.
>>720978443its not a metroidvaniaits a dizzy clone
>>720996739they are called hollow-likes
>>720988503Im very confused i thought 2 was 3d and thats why i never tried it because low poly 3d is eye cancer
