In hindsight, I still like this game. I think the lack of boss fights and branching paths held it back but it's still really good
There's not a single 2D Mario with decent boss fights. Not saying it's an excuse to not even try having one per world, but I don't see it as a real knock against Wonder.
>>720983198Ok? I don't care about your opinion
The most important thing about this game is that it made New Mario Bros playable, because the gameplay of the previous game (and Mario Maker 1 and 2) is just awful.The guys didn't have to change much, they basically made Mario more capable of changing direction while moving, making the game closer to Super Mario World in this regard, and the difference was huge.When I tried to play Mario Maker 2 after playing Mario Wonder, the shock was brutal. The gameplay of New Mario Bros is so unpleasant that it seems like it always has about 7 frames of input lag by default, but that's not the case, it's just that Mario moves like shit.Having said all that... Mario Wonder is just another monotonous and bland game made for children, the only thing Nintendo is capable of doing these days. It's impossible to play the official Mario games if you're used to Mario Maker and romhacks.
I hate 2d mario and I had a ton of fun with this game.They finally made it interesting to me.
Wonder gated progression and mobile game shit. It made me dislike the game. It's like, let's make NSMB but with more annoying stuff. I also didn't like the level transformations, it also felt like a mobile game.
>>720983465>Mario Maker 1 and 2) is just awfulMario Maker is a funner experience than Wonder, easily. When you find the good traditional levels that is.
>>720983621Maker is the best Mario game since the original NSMB on the DS.
>>720983198this one got memoryholed hard.
>>720983745The game was only popular because of the hype surrounding the movie. And that cringe-worthy Sonic X Mario Twitter shit.
>>720983921The game had no connection to the movie.
>>720983621But Mario Maker's movement is terrible.In addition to input lag (I believe there is at least 4 frames of input lag in that game), there is also the fact that Mario's movement is based on New Mario Bros, which is total trash.I'm surprised that it took Nintendo almost 20 years to update Mario's movement, which it finally did in Mario Wonder, making the game much more enjoyable to play since now it doesn't feel like Mario is waiting 7 frames to start reacting to your commands in the air or when you're trying to change direction.
>>720983198It was overhated. It's a competently designed platformer balanced for kids to play, but lean on content for series veterans.
>>720984053The game rode the hype of the movie. Wonder would have been less popular if it weren't for the movie, probably an NS2 launch title.
>>720983573>Wonder gated progression and mobile game shit.>>720983745>this one got memoryholed hard.>>720983921>The game was only popular because of the hype surrounding the movie.Internet brainrot has been getting real bad jesus christ.
>>720983440Some of Yoshis Island bosses are pretty ok in comparison.Though whether you even consider Yoshi games Mario games is subject for debate.
>>720983198What really holds it back is that it's fucking baby mode easy. Except for the very very very last level, even the five star challenges are just boring.
>>720983440I like the NSMB ones. The first one
>>720983440It really doesn't feel like designing decent boss fights for a 2D Mario should be that hard. I'm pretty I could do a better job. Just take some notes from classic Sonic.
>>720983440I like Mario's bosses.
>>720983465>just another monotonous and bland game made for children
>>720983198The problem was it being far too easy. Wonder Flowers turned the second half of levels into Story Mode difficulty. A shame since the presentation and gimmicks in a few levels were sort of fun, but again, total waste.
The wonder seed sections just rub me the wrong way. It's a very good game otherwise, and those sections aren't even poorly designed, just disruptive to an annoying extent.
>>720983921The game was hyped because of the new Mario voice if anything, also bc we really thought it would remove all of NSMB weird janky ass physics but it was just 'upgraded' from there, like the mobility from SSB Brawl to WiiU, just marginally improved.
>>720985838Seriously, there's no way anyone with even the slightest skill could feel engaged with the official Mario games. Mario Wonder is even easier than New Mario Bros games, by the way.Mario Maker is the only "official" option for those who like Mario but don't want to play levels designed for retards.
It’s my least favorite 2D Mario. It just feels soulless.
>>720983198I'm hopeful the Switch 2 Edition will do something interesting with the returning Koopalings, Wonder-charged Koopalings will probably look cool, at the very least.
>>720987382Really? More than Wii?
>>720983198forced soul
>>720983745When I saw the switch 2 version during the direct my first thought was “oh yeah, THAT happened”
>>720987382It's much more soulful than New Mario Bros, which had become mass-produced games.But there are some things that really aren't cool. Those flowers making "Marvel"-style jokes (I don't know the right term) are painful, clearly some old farts trying to do what they think kids around the world like as humor:"He's not going to do that, is he? Oh... he did."
>>720984262>series veteransWhat the fuck is this comment lmaoooo
>>720987313Honestly, I've been trying to convince myself to get a Mario game on Switch but Odyssey looks too BING-WAHOO!, Wonder looks too easy (and I could just play World), and while that Bowser's Fury bundle looks like good value and fun enough I just dunno man. I'm stuck in a cycle of Splatoon, Monster Hunter, and Slay the Spire.
>>720991176did you at least get tropical freeze
>>720983198Mario wonder is the best 2d mario game since super mario world
>>720991261No, why would I spend so much on an 11 year old game?
>>720985492>Classic SonicThose are even worse than Mario's
>>720983198>>720983440Not having many boss fights is a good thing. They're not very good generally.
>>720983198the backseating flower brought the entire game down.
>>7209916012D Sonic has the potential to be great. Sega just refuses to do anything new.
>>720991601Nah dude, 2D Mario bosses have always been awful waiting games. What's great about Mario is that the skill ceiling is super high, but during your typical Mario boss it suddenly falls down until it's barely even above the skill floor. Classic Sonic has always let you beat bosses quickly if you knew what you were doing, which is in harmony with the level design which also let you get through levels quickly if you knew the layouts and had some good timing. That's good design. Having to wait all the time isn't.
the whole ghost player gimmick made the entire game for me, i did that last section of the final badge level a good eight times, only to purposefully die when my ghost teammates didn't make it
>>720991812>but during your typical Mario boss it suddenly falls down until it's barely even above the skill floorBut enough about Odyssey.
>>720985838based neckbeard
>16+ million copies sold>92 metacritic score>/v/ desperately tries to pretend the game was a failure Never change.Anyway I was pretty disappointed to see the presentation of the expansion pack focus on the multiplayer, I hope they single player content will be significant too.
>>720992059Odyssey actually let you beat bosses quickly. It might be the only Mario game to let you do so, honestly.
>>720992826Those first two aren't real metrics of quality You're a fucking dumbass
>>720983465I've grown suspicious of posts featuring "...", makes me think it's a bot.
>>720993479I am not a bot. I have a habit of putting "quotation marks" on everything, though.
>>720993324No matter how much you cry and piss yourself the game was never "hated" and "forgotten" like the posts here try to gaslight you into.
>>720993479>>720993739Oops, my mistake. I have a habit of using "..." too. As far as I know, bots don't usually use it, mainly because the way I use it is grammatically incorrect.
>>720993479An ellipsis doesn't necessarily mean that a post came from a bot—some users simply have a habit of using them.
>>720994061>—kek
>>720983198The multiplayer is the most important part of modern 2D Mario games for me and it has worse multiplayer than Wii and U with almost all player interaction being axed, which makes it worse than those.
>>720983198Not that it's a high bar, but NSMB DS had the best bosses out of any of the 2D Marios, and I won't pretend otherwise.
>>720996078Easily true, no doubt
