Could a squad of brotherhood of steel paladins take down a single space marine?
>>720987191nah
>>720987191Nope
>>720987191I barely know anything about Warhammer but even I know the answer is a big fat fuck no
If it's an actual muh lore space marine as intended then no.if it's a literal interpretation of lore info like numbers, calibres and so on, then yeah maybe.
>>720987191Sure if the Brotherhood has Rocket Launchers and Gattling Lasers
>>720987191maybe if all of the have a fat man and shoot at the space marine simultaneously, anything less than 50 cal. wont do shit do the average space marine, but a bolt round would shred through power armor
>>720987191With the weapons in that image? Hell no. They're basically guardsmen in tin suits, the minigun would plink off the armour and the lasers would need successive lucky shots assuming they're on par with lasrifles. While they're both power armoured, one is a frank horrigan style genetic abomination and has armour made of sci-fi bullshit material.
>>720988397I don't know if a regular human rocket launcher from Fallout could destroy a WH40K Power Armor.Power Armor is also practically impervious to Lasguns so I think Fallout lasers would be just as useless.
>>720988889>on par with lasriflessee here's the problem with all these would X beat a space marine because if take the fact that those laser rifles from fallout are actually vaporizing people legit and not just because it looks cool then they absolutely would trash the space marines because temperatures that hot, as in total destruction of the human body and anything and everything on it (not the loot somehow tho) is so hot they every single know element in existence would also sublimate. In other words the laser rifles would be doing what the necrons flayer weapons are described as doing in lore and literally tearing every atom of the target apart.
>>720987191sure, if the writer wants them to win
>>720989646A lore-accurate Fallout laser rifle would be equivalent to Volkite guns in 40k, and Volkite can vaporize space marines, yes>>720989628Imperial Guard missile launchers are pretty low-tech. Generally if you have a weapon that can kill a tank, you have a weapon that can kill an Astartes. Since, you know, 'walking tank'
>>720987191>baseline humans vs psychoniggerehhh nah
If basic tau weapons can put serious hurt on a space marine, then yeah im sure with the right weapons a few BOS members can down a marineHowever that is if they can catch the marine, a space marine isn't a slow lumbering beast but are actually incredibly nimble
>>720990097If we take tabletop into account then guys with autogun/normal firearms can kill space marines with them.
By table top rules, easily.By Dawn of War rules, easily.By Space Marine rules, maybe not.By lore written from the perspective of an enemy faction, easily.By lore written from the perspective of the space marines, no chance in hell.So I'll say, yes, easily.Especially if some enclave plasma guns get factored in. Ceramite is allergic to plasma.
>>720989628>Power Armor is also practically impervious to LasgunsOnly to an extent, and that extent reaches it's limit from saturation fire. A space marine can't just stand in front of a multiLas forever
>>720991145And even then iirc in some depictions massed regular or just regular lucky shots through the eye lens kill space Marines easyIt doesn't happen really ever in stories about loyalists but you'll see it in stories about the guard vs chaos marines
>>720991145True, should have said that the plates are impervious. Joints and eyes etc can still be damaged.
A space marine in SM2 gets killed by a piece of fucking rebar. Space marines aren't invulnerable you fucking retards.A group of paladins can probably take on one lone space marine albet it with some casualties.
>>720989628Also depends on if the lasers are hot-shot or just regular las tier
>>720990380True, there is that saying along the lines of "fear not one lasgun but a hundred" said by a chaos space marine iirc
>>720991925I think the main thing the paladins need to worry about is the marine's speed, not so much how tanky the marine isIf they can land the shots, sure sweet, hard part is actually landing the killing blow
The paladins need gauss rifleslasers wont workplasma could work but it wouldnt stop the marine from retaliatingbullets wont workmelee outside of a super sledge wont work
>>720993018>lasers wont workThey can kill a marine>bullets wont workThey can kill a marine>melee outside of a super sledge wont workThey can kill a marine
>>720987191if they ambushed him with anti-tank weaponry they probably could kill him. depends how skilled the space marine is.
>>720989646See this is some death battle bullshit where you laser(heh) focus one one aspect and extrapolate it to make porky pig a universe destroying god. The lasers are pretty weak, and half decent armour can shrug them off, which is why plasma became more popular towards the end of the war. The comedy ash piles still having fully intact armour means you probably shouldn't assume it's the force of a thousand suns destroying all matter.
>>720993018>plasma could work but it wouldnt stop the marine from retaliatinglolwutmarines get oneshot by plasma rifles all the time
>>720987191Depends on what they are armed with and how comparable say a gatling laser is to something like a multilaser from 40k.I'd say probably, muhreens are not invincible, and with anti-armor weaponry or sufficient amount of just firepower, a squad of paladins could probably bring down a single marine. They are essentially comparable to Imperial Stormtroopers wearing powered armor. They aren't superhuman themselves, but their gear is advanced to a point where they would probably be somewhat of a threat to a lone spesh muhreen.
>>720989628wasnt space marine killed by a wooden spear
Could I impregnate a Tau? Serious answers only.
>>720993460>The lasers are pretty weak,Laser rifles changed the tide of the US-China war anon. Power armor and tanks were the only things that could hold up to more than one laser. In terms of lethality they were a flat upgrade over bullets, modern Fallout games just treat them as a sidegrade to gunpowder firearms because Bethesda are hacks who want stupid shit like 'balanced weapon categories'
>>720993460I know, that's the point I was trying to make.In a vacuum and focusing on certain things these characters can do or are armed with leads to fucking insane power scaling bullshit.When in reality these "fights" are entirely down vibes and who your favorite is 90% of the time.
It's like a FT-17 going up against a M1A2. Now extrapolate the tech difference across many millennia. Even if the shape is vaguely similar they are in no way comparable.
>>720987191probably not. they seem pretty useless in Fallout lore. the Marine would tower over them and are genetically engineered for combat.
>>720987191>Could a squad of brotherhood of steel paladins take down a single space marine?No
>>720993750This. People seem to fucking forget that laser rifles are fueled by literal fucking fusion reactors. Microfusion cells aren't just batteries, they house a miniature fusion reactor inside of them. Laser weapons in Fallout fire with the power of the fucking sun.
It takes literal space magic for regular firearms penetrate space marine armor.As in almost all Xenos fire some sort of non kinetic bullet or energy that can partially ignore physical armor.And the only reason regular looted Orc guns can penetrate Space marine armor is because Orcs collectively believe they can.Orcs are literally capable of collectively believing in to things and altering the laws of the universe but they are too stupid to reilize it.
Tesla Cannon could do it, but that's really the only weapon fast and strong enough to get a hit on a space marine. A space marine's real advantage is their speed. Tau use rail guns, and even as fast as those are Tau have to lead their shots to hit marines.>>72099350540k plasma is stronger than Fallout plasma. 40k lasguns blast holes in ferrocrete which is stronger than concrete.
>>720993824>It's like a FT-17 going up against a M1A2. Now extrapolate the tech difference across many millennia. Even if the shape is vaguely similar they are in no way comparable.Space marines get bodied by fucking retarded green mushroom people born less than a week before the fight with crudely made axes all the fucking time.
>>720989628>Power Armor is also practically impervious to LasgunsNo. It isn't. As veteran Astartes warn their scouts. Stray shots hitting your optics will blind you and force removal of your helmet, which makes you vulnerable. The throat plate can only take a few direct hits. Lasgun fire will still only barely dent the armor at the joints but enough dents add up.Any Space Marine that gets isolated and pinned and saturated by direct lasgun fire is going to have a very bad day. Same with basic explosives. Astartes AVOID all of this with very good tactics, never operating alone and normally having superior firepower. It isn't their power armor that makes Astartes effective, it is their correct employment in the situations where they are most effective. Many times during the Great Crusade the Imperium just thought "Space Marines are the bestest ever, just throw enough of them at problem to make it go away!" and saw them get slaughtered until Robot Girlyman wrote the Codex about how to properly use them. Including literally throwing just Space Marines against mass saturated lasgun fire and being shocked SHOCKED when dug-in ordinary light infantry with heavy weapon systems could actually break a glorious charge of Space Marines.
>Dude! Spacemarines are so badass and shit>They die in droves like everything else>The Chaos Gods are immortal and can't be beaten because the universe needs them! >They literally only exist because of life itself, and the universe worked just fine before they popped into existence. Plus, they are confined to only the milkyway galaxy. So, they are not all that powerful anyway.
>>720993987Everything I hear about 40k sounds like a literal child wrote it>Nu uh it takes SPACE MAGIC to get through my armor you can't beat me!>I have FEEROCRETE which is totally like 100x stronger than concrete! Try and beat that!
>>720993987>It takes literal space magic for regular firearms penetrate space marine armor.No, it just requires people to aim for joints and lenses (or get lucky). An old vulnerability brought up several times in early codexes is the neck joint, where bullets would ricochet around inside the ceramite collar plating and essentially turn the Astartes' throat into freshly ground sausage. The MK 8 armor added an extra plate to cover the neck specifically to prevent that. >And the only reason regular looted Orc guns can penetrate Space marine armor is because Orcs collectively believe they can.Ork guns are high enough caliber to match a bolter's lethality you retard. Ork guns rip normal humans into bloody chunks and can punch through ceramite plating on a direct hit through sheer brute firepower. They don't need Waaaagh! energy to empower their guns, and in fact they can't even use it that way. All the Waaaagh! field does for their guns is makes the risk of jamming significantly lower (they still jam, just not constantly like when a human tries to wield them).
>>720989881You mean the lore accurate fallout laser weapons that literal steel armor has a huge resistance to because it's reflective? Lol
>>720987191Fuck no, those mooks would get shredded.
>>720994034Brotherhood of steel get bodied by fucking retarded green ogre people born less than a week before the fight with crudely made axes all the fucking time.
>>720994501Yeah. turns out that having advanced tech doesn't make you invincible so thanks for proving my point in that Marines can get bodied by paladins too.
>>720994293It IS written by menchildren for menchildren.
>>720989628Anon, when we use actual numbers as presented in materials. 40k ground equipment isn't much better than other Sci Fi universes. It's scale not tech that gives them an edge.
>>720993987>It takes literal space magic for regular firearms penetrate space marine armor.This is just fucking wrong.Sufficiently powerful lasguns penetrate marine armor just fine. Hell, sufficiently high calibre regular bullets do it as well. Space Marine armor is not made out of invincibilium, ceramite is just very tough.>As in almost all Xenos fire some sort of non kinetic bullet or energy that can partially ignore physical armor.Nigger, Orks fire just regular ass bullets and they can penetrate marine armor with their bigger and shootier guns.Tyranids fire literal fucking maggots and acidic grubs etc that penetrates marine armor.The Craftworld Eldar fire thin disks at superhigh speeds which penetrates armor, while Dark Eldar fire tiny shards laced with poison, that does not penetrate armor but can get in trough soft spots and what not in the armor.>And the only reason regular looted Orc guns can penetrate Space marine armor is because Orcs collectively believe they can.Orcs are literally capable of collectively believing in to things and altering the laws of the universe but they are too stupid to reilize it.This is just completely wrong. Orks wield big fucking guns that fire big bullets.
>>720994293Almost all scifi has fantasy materials at some point. It's fun.>>720993987>is because Orcs collectively believe they canNow that just isn't true. Ork psychic field is 90% fanlore. They kill space marines with them because they carry fucking enormous guns and shoot them a million times.
>>720988889We actually have stats for a Rotary Cannon and they can kill space Marines due to volume of fire.
>>720994578Orks are stronger than supermutants. Not all green retards are born a week ago equally.
A marine by itself is not insurmountable. In a squad vs squad engagement I would give it to the marines. In a lone marine vs squad engagement the squad wins.Fallout weaponry is deadly enough to punch through Marine armor reliably. The marine has agility and strength on his side but those only go so far.
>>720994009>A space marine's real advantage is their speedlol no, 40k isn't an anime you stupid faggot. >40k plasma is stronger than Fallout plasma.There's really no reason to think that. In-universe lore, in both cases, plasma weapons are hellishly deadly and capable of killing tanks in one shot. >40k lasguns blast holes in ferrocrete which is stronger than concrete.The specific example you're citing is from Gaunt's Ghosts novels, where they were shooting into concrete on overcharged lasgun settings, not ferrocrete. Fallout laser weaponry is able to melt tanks into slag under sheer volume of concentrated fire from a squad, which is a significant step up from what 40k lasguns can accomplish.
>>720993460Anon, you're doing the same thing but for 40k.Guardsmen have killed space marines with sharpened sticks. So I guess fallout lasers oneshot them.
>>720993987The ork waaggh field shit is massively over-hyped and over-soldyeah they affect reality, but it's a little nudge, stuff like an extra mile of gas in the tank when there actually isn't, a blunt axe chopping a bit better than it should.Not shit like they can shoot people with a stick that looks like a gun or they turn invisable when holding something in front of their face.
>>720994695And yet a regular ork - not even a Nob or a warboss, can pretty reliably kill a marine with a choppa. Not even a power weapon choppa equivalent. A fucking axe.
>>720994616You are blatantly wrong about Orks, shockingly so. Their ability to warp reality through belief is the most core aspect of their ability to do anything at all in the setting.
>>720987191Lore Space Marine? No. Video game space marine? Yes easily.
>>720990097Brotherhood makes regular use of Plasma weaponry which makes Space Marine armor useless.Fallout Paladin Armor is resistant to explosive and rapid fire rocket (Red Glare) damage.From this I can (pretending to be the 40k fan level retard) conclude that Brotherhood Paladins are immune to bolters and oneshot Space Marines.
>>720989646You are genuinely retarded. Go chew on a fork. A laser or even the Guard's "Las", which is somehow in the Lore a coherent beam of light that has concussive force.... ISN'T AN 8 FOOT HORIZONTAL CYLINDER. It is a one foot pew pew shot that can't put a hole through a gretchin. So, no. That las rifle isn't going to do shit to the Brotherhood armor.
>>720994882>Their ability to warp reality through belief is the most core aspect of their ability to do anything at all in the setting.You have successfully just outed yourself as youtube-lore slop consuming nogames who hasn't touched an Ork codex in his life
>>720987191If all three come equipped with heavy weapons yeah they could, although the space marine would be favored in this matchupI mean even in 40K you got guardsmen/traitor guard that score the occasional kill on a space marine so I don't see why BoS paladins should't be able to do the same
>>720987191Every Space Marine is basically a Frank Horrigan, so no. Not unless they take them by suprise with heavy weaponry like Gauss Rifles, Tesla Cannons, Plasma Casters, Mini Nukes, etc. And the Space Marine is a unnamed jobber.
>>720994882Not to the extent you claim, retard. Waagh field is more like a grease that makes their shoddy stuff run better instead of breaking down constantly. They don't need it to be able to kill space marines, their shootas can do it just fine because they fire bullets the calibre we'd see in fucking anti-aircraft cannons and heavy machineguns as their minimal standard because they are fucking hulking green gorillas that can witshstand recoil that would pulverize every bone in your arm if you tried to fire one of their guns.
>>720994864A regular ork could also kill a brotherhood of steel paladin with an axe.
>>720987191The Astartes would sprint at these niggas and clothesline the lot of them cartoon style. They'd crater the fucking ground with their legs poking out like Wile E. Coyote getting pancaked by a piano.
>>720995096And a Supermutie could kill an Astartes with an axe.
>>720995096Yes. That's not really the got you you think it really is though. It's basically saying the paladins can win.
>>720993919This is a really retarded comment. The power supply doesn't matter, all that matters is how much energy the gun imparts on the target.You talk like a faggot redditor or a woman.
No.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMGWJNRoWPE
>>720993987Tau use normal ballistics (railguns) and these penetrate space marine armor better than the magic space rock guns.>And the only reason regular looted Orc guns can penetrate Space marine armor is because Orcs collectively believe they can.Retard gets all his information from Youtubers.
>>720995134>>720995179No, orks are way better than super mutants. They're somehow much less retarded. Orks would waste supermutants, they're actually capable of operating vehicles, making firearms, organizing as an army, etc.
>>720995292Orks are the only reason the Emperor isn't fully dead.
>>720995342pretty sure that's his steady diet of pysker souls.
>>720995134Would a Supermutie be equivalent to a Nob? And Frank Horrigan equates to a Meganob in armor?
>>720987191If you take gameplay as cannon. Yes, absolutely. Laser and Plasma in Fallout are retarded and can melt/disintigrate anything with a critical hit. Not pierce or punch through DISINITGRATE and GOOIFY. That would make Fallout energy weapons as strong or stronger than what you see Necrons use.Of course, this is a gameplay argument.
>>720995309>No, orks are way better than super mutants. In terms of being able to actually reproduce, sure.
>>720995342Go back to youtube, loreslopper
>>720988454A standard infantry lasgun fired at maximum capacity is the equivalent to a 50. cal round.
>>720994293Because you only hear about the series by retarded manchildren.All lore in 40k exists for one purpose: to sell models.
>>720995382Is Fallout Laser equal to 40k Las?
>>720987191A better question would be who has the better looking power armor and why is it the BoS?
>>720995023>You have successfully just outed yourself as youtube-lore slop consuming nogames who hasn't touched an Ork codex in his lifeThis is literally every "40k fan" ever. The real ones are too busy painting for 60 hours a week.
>>720994293Ferrocrete is a Herbert creation, if I remember correctly.
>>720995426I mean that's a big part. Super mutants have to be manually made from people during a people-critical era, so they're basically growth hardcapped even without breeding. And they're still having trouble managing these retards. Every super mutant you shoot is a huge loss to their numbers, they shouldn't even exist in any real amount by 3. NV gets that right at least.
>>720995342go back to Roblox retard youtubesloppa.
>>720995852Technically speaking would concrete with rebars be ferrocrete?
>>720994293>>720995852I'm samefagging here. I'm wrong. Ferrocrete is a real thing and the actual term came about at around the same time it was invented.>>720996043Yeah, it's this crap, but I was thinking it was something more advanced, but ferro-cement and ferrocrete are actually old industry terms.
>>720987191Definitely not, knights and paladins under their armor are still just people while a space marine without his armor could still rip them apart.>>720991925>A space marine in SM2 gets killed by a piece of fucking rebarBecause he was ambushed and took a point blank explosion which didn't do shit to his armor, the rebar went through his tiny visor slit which is one of the only weakspots an astartes has, good luck to any paladin trying to hit the 8 ft monster running 60kph him/her.
>>720997495>60kphHow many gallons is that?
>>720997672more than 3
>>720987191The right paladins with the right weaponry and knowledge of how to exploit a SMs weaknesses could. The bums on the left are not the right paladins, they'd get absolutely bodied. For that matter, it's not actually hard to kill a single basic bitch tactical. Unarmored cultists with makeshift weapons can bumrush and overwhelm them through weight of numbers.These are supersoldiers that were designed to fight in squads of 10-20, and armies of tens of thousands, supported by hundreds of thousands of mortals, and armed with a panlopy of weapons, armor and vehicles made specifically for them.
>>720997672about yay big
>>720998730About tree fiddy?
Power armor in fallout aint shit, can't even hold up to a .50 bmg sniper rifle
>>720998808fuck off, loch ness monster, get your own money
>>720998820Even in 40K that would punch through most personal armor short of terminators
>>720995709In terms of described effectiveness, roughly. Better than bullets versus unarmored targets like chinks or tyranids, but thick plate will stop it dead easily. However 40k lasguns are used not for their power which is acknowledged as wimpy, but for being a logistician's wet dream. Minimal needed maintenance, creates its own ammo from sunlight and heat, point-and-shoot operation with little training needed, and very durable.
>>720995556Nah, a standard lasgun shot is roughly equivalent to modern 20mm autocannon. The closest 40k weapon to real life is the heavy stubber which is basically a super advanced 50 Cal machine gun.
>>720995709Significantly weaker. 40k lasguns can shred even heavy armor.
>>720987191spess muhreen would win that fight barefist with no armor
the fucking space marine isn't going to fight back? even if 2 well placed plasma shots would kill john marine, his reaction speed is way faster than any normal fallout human, he'll just outrun and dodge everything and will start to fire his assault grenade launchermaybe a squad of enclave operators can kill it, frank horrigan would kill it for fucking sure
>>720999386A good lasgun shot can cleave your arm off at the shoulder. Or turn your guts into burning melting goo. But calling it like a 20mm is a gigantic exaggeration.
>>720993893wtf is this from? looks like astartes but I thought that was canned
>>720994915Wrong, lore space marines dies too all sorts of shit, especially plasma.
>>720991925The rebar was also some unobtanium material with Young's Modulus measured in terajoules. 40k's theme is that all the weapons used are super advanced space magic made from inperishable alloys but nobody knows how to make them or what they even are. Think of a caveman who came accross a piece of rebar made from modern chromium vanadium steel.
>>720999553Lol, no amount of reaction speed is going to help the space marine if he can't even move at Anime 'nothing personal' speed.
>>720999553Fucking Yujiro Hamma can wipe out a bunch space marines and he doesn't use any 'magic' or 'ki/chi'
>>720999807I base my head canon on comparing lasgun impacts and bullet impacts on concrete.
>>720999553Space marines get killed by feudal world peasant knives to the throat. Space marines in their armor get killed by gorillas swinging cleavers. Space marines get killed by dinosaur equivalent bites. Space marines get killed by tanks and artillery. A space marine's strength relies on another man's seed inserted deep inside them that replaces their genetics, instead of their own.
>>720999080Fallout 50 bmg is significantly weaker than heavy stubber, which in turn is pretty poor at killing space marines.
>>721000369Those gorillas and dinosaurs are REALLY strong.
>>721000247Those aren't comparable because they have inherently different ways of transferring energy to their targets. Lasguns work by ablating material off their target so they essentially explode fron the inside out as their guts and bones turn into rapidly expanding superheated gas. And it's a simple fact that lasguns are not THAT big an improvement in terms of lethality over simple autoguns, their advantage is in logistics.
>>721000369>OrksThey're insanely strong>Dinosaurs Tyranids are also insanely strong
>>721000369hey, they EARNED daddy's seed by being abused as litle boys, you take that back
>>721000419.50 BMG is the heavy stubber you retarded little nogames shit.
>Play Rogue Trader >Think Space Wolves are cool>1 random inquisitor acolyte goon with Psyker abilities led an entire Space Wolves squad onto an icy planet before mercing then all>One single Acolyte Psyker>When you met her it's like the most underwhelming fight in the game I swear Space Marine abilities can be extremely varied depending on the story
>>721000521Stub guns are advanced versions of modern firearms and auto guns are more advanced, but you're correct that the method I used to compare the power of the weapons has its limitations. However, we don't really know how a lasgun works, eg. how long of an pulse it fires. It might for example rely on thermal shock to do damage.
>>721000879>Think Space Wolves are coolimagine liking the space furries
>>721000879if the Astartes has a name, they can even fight Primarchs 1v1 and winif the Astartes has no name, they're cannon fodder that die in a single sentence with zero ceremony, their sacrifice unremembered
>>721000836Do you seriously think the heavy stubber and m2 browning use the same material on their barrel?
>>720993636Pretty sure any humans that are let in are also sterilized along with essentially being slaves
>>721001090>Do you seriously think the heavy stubber and m2 browning use the same material on their barrel?they can make heavy stubber barrels out of literal tin and aluminum on Necromunda, it doesn't change what their caliber is
>>720987191I don't think they'd survive long enough to even deal damage
>>72100087940k operates on an extremely rigid powerscale that you would do well to memorizeHelmet < No helmet < Pauldrons with helmet < Pauldrons with no helmet < Hat <Pauldrons with hat (unconfirmed, no reported instances at this powerscale, may cause instant apotheosis)
>>721001090Until there's a 40k period table yes
>>721001195If you don't know how barrel yield strength impacts the pressure distance curve of a bullet you should probably shut up.
>>720994386Aren’t their guns literally just boxes full of bullets like the turrets from portal. I recall some detail about someone trying to fire an ork gun and it didn’t work until the ork saw him trying to shoot him with the gun and then it worked because the ork believed it worked
>>721001337>alloys and atomic lattice structure don't exist
>>721000879Inquisitors are hyped up unreasonably all the time. Like there was that one time an inquisitor yells at the named Custode who helped created the Sororitas because she was pissy at the existence of the Sisters
>>721001495if I can't see it it doesn't exist
>>721001163Sterilization was only ever hypothesized in a non-canon games ending. Once. They also wont turn you into a servitor, so not a bad deal.>>721001389No, that's fan lore. They have engineers with instinctual understanding to make firearms and vehicles.
>>721001389A very important thing to remember is that 40k doesn't really have canon because retcons and inconsistencies are so common, so everything is headcanon. That being said, the theory that Ork weapons only work because of the WAAGH field is an in universe theory. I like to think that it's just a cope invented by tech priests who don't understand Ork tech.
>>721001573Based.
>>721001727Weren't there instances in novels where people came upon recently fired Ork guns that were nothing more than pipes and wood glued together?
>>721002153Not literally pipes and wood glued together but it's some pretty ramshackle shit.
>>720987191Proper BoS paladins or like the jobber Bethesda/TV show ones?
>>721002331I thought they were literally just crap they cobbled together that was nonfunctional in reality, but Orks could use it.
>>721001573what are you breathing, then?
>>720987191Space Marine wins ezpz. Paladins would need to ambush the Marine with nukes, hope for direct hits and that the Marine doesn't one shot each of them with the superior range of his bolter and superhuman reflexes nor is able to close the distance for melee combat at which point the Paladins would be totally fucked. Everyone arguing that Marines die all the time in 40k ignores that the dangers are totally OTT compared with anything in Fallout.
maybe if they all had miniguns one of then could hit something important or something, or maybe if one of them had a missile launcherI don't think two laser rifles are doing squat
>>721002429No.Ork guns are sound in theory and design it's the craftmanship were it goes all funny for other species.The issue is that the ork "glue" that holds these things together and makes them "safe" to use is incredibly temperamental in the hands of non-orks.Take these two shootas in front of Iork McCollum. In a orks hands these two things would be perfectly safe and work 99% of the time with minimal discomfort to the wielder. In a humans hands these things are uncomfortable pieces of inaccurate shit that has just as much chance as the chamber exploding in your face as it does firing normally.
>>720987191No, SM are way faster and durable.They'll tank way more hits and avoid them, just to shoot a single bold round through the power armor weak spots
>>720987191Imperial Armor technology is actually incredibly crap.Like worse protection than modern materials crap.
>>721004271This is more to do with lasguns being fucking insane than anything else.
>>721004271retard
>>721004448Anon, go compare the numbers for anything they've given real world numbers for.When they do, the stats are laughably bad even by WW1 standards.That's why they stopped.No amount of "Its magic future materials" can overwrite MBTs that are slower, heavier, and with worse protection than the WW1 tanks they're modeled after.And vehicle armor has the advantage of not having to wrap directly around a bunch of meat. And the servos to make that meat perform better in the case of power armor.
>>721004271considering imperial infantry run around with fucking kneepads sewn on their breeches, I agree
>>720987191There's a chance, yeah. Space Marines are not invincible and we've repeatedly seen them go down to mooks. Simple Murphy's Law, they might not do it a lot, but they'll manage at some point.
>>721005369Please elaborate what Murphy's Law states. I'd love to hear your take.
It depends on whether the Space Marine is named or not. Generic Space Marines can be taken down by a squad or two of generic Guardsmen. They are not the unkillable gods secondaries make them out to be.A named Space Marine has absurd levels of plot armor and nothing can kill them.
>>721006624Unfortunately the 40k ecosystem has been evolving and names don't always bestow the apex predator status anymore.It depends on HOW named they are now.In fact is a name is dropped out of nowhere you can almost be certain that even a generic space marine will outlive them now.
>>720987191Space Marines are fucking stupid in just how absurdly capable they are. They aim perfectly, within 1mm of deviation, by instinct. As in it comes as naturally as breathing to them, they don't even think about it. They could rotate through a line of ten people, civilians and targets, and rotate through every needed kill without a scratch left on the innocent in less than <2 seconds. Unless you're the Marines Malevolent, then you'd just throw a grenade and laugh.
>>720987191If they took a whole bunch of chems beforehand yeah
>>720987191the hoods of steal can't even kill wastelanders with their mighty stick up their arses.
>>720987191No. The lone wanderer canonically joins the brotherhood of steel and a Bethesda protagonist is overpowered every time so they could beat a space marine, the generic jobberhood paladins are useless
>>720993636do you really want to share genes with a stupid Y nose, cow feet for the rest of your continued genetic existence?
>>720987191The correct answer is they could beat a generic space marine, because generic space marines have died in a variety of retardedly simple ways and aren't unbeatable planet soloing gigachads.If it's a named SPESS MEHREEN that 40k suck off in the lore literally nothing can kill them because games workshop will kill you in real life before they allow you to imply one of their precious boys die.
>>721008936I just think it would take at least a chapter of space marines to bring compliance to fallout earth
>>720987191They wouldn't stand a chance, a single bolter round would obliterate a single Brotherhood of Steal Paladin like a hotknife through butter. Brotherhood of Steel are simply normal humans in powered suits of armour put simply.Whereas a Space Marine is a Super human demi god, with superior strength, speed, reactions and reflexes. Their armour is also plate Ceramite which can easily deflect and defend against weapons that can destroy mobile armour. They are unstoppable forces of nature for a reason. An entire Star system in the 41st millennium can be conquered with fewer than 50 Space Marines, fewer even if there is a Named Space Marine with them.
>>721009341The official power levels of things in the 40k universe is determined by tabletop.Space Marines get routinely btfo by everything. 50 space marines will barely take a town, let alone an entire star system
>>721009341nah they'd lose
Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka vs Margaret Thatcher with the same body mods: who wins?
>>721009341lol. So Space Marine 2 doesn't have one die to a little bitty rebar to the head?
>>720999912Amazon collab show, secret level or something. It's amazing you should watch it and yes the guy who made Astartes did work on this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncauRK9f75Q
>>721009542That's not true even remotely and you know it, the tabletop power levels change by edition.The 'fluff' is what I decide to base the power level of my Brothers on, and if you have a Blood Angel running at you shouting 'HORUS!' know that you are a dead man, there is nothing you can do but accept your fate.
>>720999912Astartes was never canned. It got picked up and touched up (audio fucked) by GW's on their own streaming service and they've teased Astares 2 for next year.Gonna have nids, chaos, tau, orks and terminators.
>>721009640Space Marine 2 has Titus and his two brothers almost stop a Tyranid Reconnaissance force. Brotherhood of Steel can barely in comparison defend Helios One against humans with primitive, standard firearms of the era.
>>721010032Answer the question, did a space marine die to rebar to the head, yes or no?
>>721010254>Answer the questionYou're talking like I know what you're talking about and said it didn't happen, post a clip of it happening from the game because seriously, no I don't remember it at all.
>>721010348Did you even play the game? Because I found it hilarious and very memorable when Varellus just gets instagibbed by a small explosive sending a bar into his skull because he was the only one who wore a helmet
>>721010348https://youtu.be/UmYk5mZ_sl4?si=5hWJJYiftX5PkcnF&t=94different anon. don't know how you don't remember it since it's the big chaos reveal.
>>721010568>>721010590Well this is very different from what that weird lad was saying, he was implying that a piece of rebar fell on a Space Marines head, not that it was shot by an explosive mine straight through his eye. Yeah even Space Marines are going to die if they have their brain scrambled they're not immortal, simply very, very strong.
>>721010738>he was implying that a piece of rebar fell on a Space Marines headunreal cope in real time
>Space Marine would win every fight, they are so superior to all other settin... ACK
>>721010738Just admit you were wrong retard
Impossible to tell. A single marine can either level an entire fortified city or die to a dozen of hobos with rusty knives
>>721010738>I-it doesn't count that a normal piece of rebar from some cultshits hidden C4 killed my precious soldier manI'm sure a fat man can kill a space jobber then since last I checked nukes are stronger than basic explosives and it'll probably knock a piece of dirt into his eye killing the space marine instantly
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>>721010738>Literally just a small explosive that doesn't even damage the surrounding area at all is all it takes to kill a space marine if they get some shrapnel in an ouchie spotLol
>>720994587>menchildren
Sup-com would destroy anything 40k has time and time again. The most basic unit is as big as as a knight and it only gets bigger and shootier from there.And unlike 40k it's not a major investment or some millenia old relic, it's all mass produced unnamed reclaim kill bots slaved to a mech that dwarfs every Titan in the setting.
>>721011147I think I would die from that too.I must be as tough as a space marine.
>>721011005It's the difference between a Named Marine and a helmet. Or Matt Ward and the Ultramarines or Aaron Dembski-Bowden and the Black Templars.
Yeah, space marine 2 shows that they're made of paper.
>>721011346God the old art was soulful
>>721011272Three bolter rounds to the cockpit and it's dead.
>>721011272sure, but that is fucking ugly and boring, same forgettable shit like battletech
>random handgranate can kill a marine>random rocket launcher can kill a marine>random chainsword/ axe can kill a marine>random tyranid with its claws can kill a marine>n...no, fallouts rocket/ plasma/ laser/ nuclear based weapons could NEVER even put a dent in a marines armor, th...th...they would like, die instantly!I swear, 40k spergs are the greatest fag in all of fandom
>>721011408That's John Blanche for you, he said that he wanted his art to be as if someone was recounting to a someone their experience of seeing a battle or a Primarch like a war report, which is why the art is well to me a bit inspired by court room drawings in the nicest most gratifying way possible and yes as you say they have something that newer more corporate art does not, passion.
>>721011474>random tyranidnot really random, but purestrain genestealers can claw through terminator armor as well
>>721011474>Wh40k spergs...and yet you're the one spamming in the thread, seething at wh40k.
>>721011474Fantasy was always the superior setting it just doesn't attract as many autistic paypigs as sci-fi.
can I post a 40k related image I find amusing?
>>721011474>I swear, 40k spergs are the greatest fag in all of fandomits mostly just space marine and some imperial guard wankers that do this
>>721011474saar you dont understand the ceramite armor is impervious, a handful of space marines can take over an entire planet in 24 hours.
>>721011643it doesn't attract anyone anymore lmao they killed it haha;_;
>>721011660taufags are the worst offenders of making goon threads and eldarfags only know how to bitch and moannecronfags and orkfags are alright
A lot of people seem to think space marines are like a dark souls boss you beat by MY SPEED IS SUPERIOR. Or that the power armor makes them slow. It doesn't, it makes them even faster. They sprint faster than any sprinter, have superhuman reflexes and agility. You're not the one dodging and weaving, getting in his blind spots and striking weakpoints. He is.
>>721011751Oh he's mad, he's steaming
>>721011645You have my permission>>721011474SPESS MEHREEN fags are the ones behind 90% of 40k's bad actors. The weirdos who want to fuck Tau are never a problem for example
>>721011801thanks anon
>>721011801>The weirdos who want to fuck Tau are never a problem for example
>>72101164340k will never have Ghaz kick Abaddon in the balls and walk away singing how he's the best so it'll never have the SOVL fantasy had before they killed it
>>721011794is sucking off spess muhrine speed the new thing?I keep seeing that stupid fucking quote like "something that big shouldn't move that fast" like it means anything other than the author is a dumbass.You ever seen a moose or a bear or lion? Those things are fucking enormous and they are fast as fuck.
>>721011794>They sprint faster than any sprinter, have superhuman reflexes and agilityeasily one of the stupidest and least provable feats of space marinesi dont think you understand just how fast they would have to be to run at those speedsthey would run so fucking goofy with their proportions
>>721011794V.A.T.S directly to the skull with a gauss rifle job done back to sitting around scratching the elder's balls until fallout 5 in 2033
>>721012217oldcron pride galaxy wide
>>721011794The White Scars are even faster than the average Marine thanks to their gene seed, Jaghatai khan once lost his shit at seeing all his boys being killed and went so fast all people could see of him was a blur, and yes he killed everything in going really fast.
>>721012217You know this was made by reddit because of all that text drowning out it's meme potential.
>>721012217Wot a dumb draw'n ya stupid git
>>721012217Grimderp purist is the only way to go and you know it.
>>720988261This.40k is incredibly inconsistent. They even used to acknowledge it with a tongue in cheek "movie marines" list, with individual marines costing hundreds of points to field.Nowadays the writers have lost all subtlety and fun so they take their bullshit seriously.
>>721012525Dats it boys tell dat git humie to do one or get crumped
>>721012716>It was satire all alongThis is a cope.
>>721012217The only part of 40k that's even remotely original is the unrelentingly grimdark spin on the literal treasure trove of far better sci-fi settings, novels, and short stories it stole all its ideas from. Fuck you if you complain about 22 hour workdays and billions of people being executed because one Cardinal of the Ministorum threw a shitfit because a single starving child asked him for a piece of bread. That shit is awesome. You start turning this shit into Herohammer with the Primarchs returning and 'fixing' the system, and all you've done is erased the sole legacy and identity that made it worth playing and reading about in the first place.
>>721012170>Talos vaulted a pile of rocks, his boots crashing down on the other side and never missing a stride. His eye lenses flickered runic sigils between eighty-four and eighty-seven kilometres per hour.
>>721001163Guevesa sterilization and Krieg shovels are the easiest way to identify a secondary.
>>721013089>he takes ADB books as canonlol, lmao, this is the same author who wrote the Emperor signing a pact with Chaos to gain the power and knowledge to create the Primarchs, permanently tainting the entire Imperium as a giant secretly Chaos-tainted shithole
>>720987191Could they, yes, would they? Maybe, but probably not. The thing people overlook in the se inter universe things is the mentality. If a marine sees you and perceives you as a threat, they will just try and kill you immediately, not observe, not question, not negotiate, just start the killing. Most people from another universe will probably try to talk, which is why they'd be dead. A marine's power isn't standing there tanking shots while nerds argue about if ceramite could take the punishment forever. It's that their guns are deadlier than you expect, they're faster than you expect, stronger than you expect, more durable than you expect (for every post about how marines die in some retarded way in a BL book remember there's an example a marine that just keeps fighting with like half their torso missing and lived) and are psychologically programmed to kill at the drop of a hat.
>>721012217I'm in the camp of Xenos being superior both in terms of aesthetics and the lore. I don't give a fuck about the imperium or it's lore in any which way. The only remotely interesting aspect of the Imperium are the Admech.
>>721013175I suppose your own imaginary lore bests me then. I concede.
How would Frank Horrigan fare against a single space marine?
>>721013337>imaginary loreJust watch Astartes or Angels of Death for a good depiction of how quickly space marines can move at full sprint. They can outpace an olympic runner, but they're not faster than a speeding automobile.
>>721013343Average no named Marine he would win, against a named Marine like Cato Sicarius he would lose.
>>721013343Without plot armor a generic space marine is getting butchered by Franky
>>721013427Astartes is the peak example of space marines wank ignoring actual power levels. They shrug of attacks that would absolutely kill a space marine
>>721013173Sterilization has been implied to occur but never officially set down as canonKrieg shovel memes are more about the WW1 aesthetic they're going for and trying to relive the good days of /tg/
>>721013520To be fair, anything in the whole setting is potentially killable by a named space marine. Its why the books are basically popcorn movies. They're fun, but read like a marvel movie wanking off the heroes 90% of the time.
>>720987191It would be possible, but it would be very tough and the Marine would likely win. They're superhumans akin to super mutants or Frank Horrigan except the result of a far more refined process, the armor is proofed against las/autogun weaponry in its own universe similar to what fallout has, and their basic weapon fires armor piercing mass-reactive rockets meant to blast apart enemies with more advanced technology and who are intrinsically tougher than regular humans which is what the BOS are made up of. BOS are more equivalent to guardsmen generally
>>721011843Did Halo fags really get this butthurt?
>>721013343Instantly obliterated by pinpoint-accurate bolter fire to his dome if they're both armed.
>>721013560Unless there's more content than the guy put up on YouTube, isn't the worst thing they go up against an auto cannon?
>>721013560Angels of Death is much more canon-accurate in regards to the amount of punishment a marine can survive, but regardless Astartes does a great job of showing how Marines move. They can do sprints, and their arm movements can be very very quick and precise, but they're tanks, not anime fighters who run faster than the human eye can follow and speedblitz everyone they fight. Their armor is their main advantage in most situations as it allows them to tank an amount of firepower that would wipe out a company of guardsmen instantly, just so long as it's not an anti-tank weapon or a psyker.
>>721013343Shrugs off bolter fire to the dome and punches the space marine into chunks like he did that Deathclaw when he smells the mutant in the space marine's blood
>>721013758I don't really enjoy the 40k setting other than the odd book, I really like the 30k setting the Great Crusade era and the Heresy. I know what the setting is, and it's basically super heroes and all that corny shit and I love it. But it's the vastness of the armies, the equipment used, the battles, the scope of all of it is so much greater than the average 40k setting.The exception to this is the Space Sharks, I fucking love the Carcharodons so much, they're so unique and different and yet still loyal somehow.
>>721013089>eighty-four and eighty-seven kilometres per hour.motherfucker do you know what that looks likehave you been around a fucking car beforeyour legs would look like mr krabs
>>720987191Yes. They have weapons that can hurt him, and they have numeric superiority, so they have a chance to win.
"Transhuman dread. Aximand had heard iterators talk of the condition. he'd heard descriptions of it from regular Army officers too. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing: taller and broader than a man could ever be, armoured like a demigod. The singularity of purpose was self-evident. An Adeptus Astartes was designed to fight and kill anything that didn't annihilate it first. If you saw an Adeptus Astartes, you knew you were in trouble. The appearance alone cowed you with fear. But to see one move. Apparently that was the real thing. Nothing human-shaped should be so fast, so lithe, so powerful, especially not anything in excess of two meters tall and carrying more armour than four normal men could lift. The sight of an Adeptus Astartes was one thing, but the moving fact of one was quite another. The psychologists called it transhuman dread. It froze a man, stuck him to the ground, caused his mind to lock up, made him lose control of bladder and bowel. Something huge and warlike gave pause: something huge and warlike and moving at the speed of a striking snake, that was when you knew that gods moved amongst men, and that there existed a scale of strength and speed beyond anything mortal, and that you were about to die, and if you were really lucking, there might be just enough time to piss yourself first."
>>721000879>1 random inquisitor acolyte goon with Psyker abilities led an entire Space Wolves squadInquisitor with space wolves, now that's lore breaking or that the Inquisitor has been planning this for a long time and with some powerful backing too.
>>721014107The Heresy novels are even worse for marvelization than the rest.Read the older codexes. Scope was there back then. I can recall stuff like a 2 page break down of the fall of Macragge to Tyranids or a really great one about a Dark Eldar siege. Both were 3rd or 4th edition I think?
>>721013874This. The actual anime ninja faction within the setting are the Eldar, who canonically are supposed to be able to move so fucking fast that human eye has trouble tracking them.Too bad fucking no official media or even fan media ever depicts the Eldar as their codexes describe them in terms of their speed and agility.This probably comes the closest to stuff I've seen but even still it depicts the eldar too sluggishly and clumsily imo.https://youtu.be/CcFcmPQklyY?t=265
>>720987191the shittiest, weakest shits take SMs out constantly. why wouldn't a moderately serious opponent like a brotherhood paladin? a squad would manage with ease
>>721014397>The Heresy novels are even worse for marvelization than the rest.I know, and like I said I know it's corny shit that is meant to make you based face when a Primarch appears and yes I fucking love it.
>>720987191depends on the gear and situation. Ambush with energy weapons or Fatman? Yes.Any other situation, no not a fucking chance.
>>721014580Completely fair.I can respect if someone is having fun with slop if they know its slop. I enjoy slop sometimes too.
>>72101410740k only doesn't match the scale of 40k because Space Marine Chapters are so incredibly small and yet treated as such a distinct and pivotal aspect of whatever the Imperium does, as opposed to just a very useful and effective set of Shock troopers.
>>720989628Fallout Energy weapons scale really well in terms of 40k man portable weapons. They're closer to lascannons than they are to lasguns. Prototypes for the laser rifle cut through feet of steel in a fo2 terminal entry, and the laser pistol in fo2 is said to output megawatts of energy and tear men in half with a single shot. Bethesda is of the opinion that lasers output enough energy to turn Sentry bots, Mirelurk Queens, and behemoths into ash, which puts fallout lasers closer to Necron weapons than imperial ones.
>>721014107For me it's a combination of the aesthetic, philosophical vibes, traditional fantasy undertones combined with more regular sci-fi elements that pulls me into 40k. I don't hate something like this for example: >>721011272, but it's terribly generic and not something easily distinguished amongst the many other examples of sci-fi settings with very similar aesthetics.
>>720987191Bolters are way more powerful in some books. It is like being hit by a tank shell
>>721015820I don't think the bolter being a tank round or an rpg level shot matters here, the BoS guy is out of the fight if he gets hit regardless.
I'm more of a Blame!fag, desu
>>721017142Killy could solo all 18 Space Marine legions and Primarchs EZ no diff
>>721013343Actually tears a Space Marine in half.
space marines get instapasted by a mininuke
Lets be honest here for a second, this is (you), isnt it?
>>721017786W-What's wrong with Sanguinius?
>>721011474why the hell is an eldar using a fucking iphone?
>>721014030>when he smells the mutant in the space marine's bloodoh look at the pot yelling at the kettle. at least the marine can get his dick up
>>721017217I don't recall if the Imperium had anything on the level of the actual Sun (beyond Psyker stuff)
brotherhood would foam at the mouth seeing admech being....admech.
>>721018239>Purer than you, mutie
>>721018074>eldarAnon...
>>720987191Power armor in Fallout is weird as fuck where it and the user can survive 3,300°C (6,000°F) heat right under the source, tank a mini nuke like nothing, and make you strong enough to break a deathclaw's jaw with a punch but there's other times where regular 5.56 and regular grenades cripples it. I'd give it to the space marine 10/10 times.
>>721017887If you have a favourite primarch at all you're a nufan. They were supposed to be just mythological figures but now they're marvel heroes.
>>721013175I mean, that fits way better than the Emperor actually seeking to make humanity better.Especially if we also take him being immortal and around prior to the fall from the heights of the Dark Age of Technology.Fucker was scrounging with scraps and mutilating his soldiers into temporary gene-hacked disposable weapons.If he was as smart or prepared as they want him to come off as, he'd have the technology of the DAoT to make his reconquista of human space a cake walk.Instead, he barely scraped by, made incredibly dumb choices, and doomed humanity entirely. And quite possibly all life in the universe by his idiot forces attracting the attention of the tyrranids.
>>720993460>The lasers are pretty weak, and half decent armour can shrug them off, which is why plasma became more popular towards the end of the war.Its important to remember that prior to 3 lasers were late to end game weapons and had dialogue about cutting people in half.Sadly 3 fucked things overs so people could specialize in energy weapons from the beginning.
>>721014380They mention how they owe him a debt of honor but were really fucking unhappy about it
>>721017887Nothing specifically. The meme is making fun of all the absolute zoomer retards who only like the family friendly, 'nice' Primarchs such as Guilliman and Sanguinius and Vulkan. They're the same people who rage hard enough to smash their monitors when the Imperium loses a battle, rare as that is, and who throw a shitfit whenever they read and actual 40k book and see the Imperium being horribly inefficient, bloated, and corrupt like it has been called for 10 whole editions of the game to this very day
>>721018517Is it weird to have a favorite mythological figure? Last I checked, Sang is still dead.
>>720987191take this shit to /k/, it's their level of discussion
>>720995556>>720999386Lasguns are almost never fired at full power because they'd use up juice too fast that way
>>721001005>Stub guns are advanced versions of modern firearms and auto guns are more advanced,wrong
>>720988397They'd never be able to land a hit on a Space Marine. It'd be like fighting a methed out armored deathclaw with a rapidfire rocketlauncher and chain claws.
>>720987191nothing tech based will put a dent on space marines unless it's on Star Wars / Star Trek interstelar level fire power, and that's just the bare minimum to stand a chanceironically character from a D&D swords and sorcery would stand more of a chance, especially if we are talking about unrrestrain magic use from an enemy that does not need concern itself with the chaos gods
Idk, in game Fallout lasers and plasma which would fuck over a space marine barely penetrate thick leather so it'd really just be whether you're talking about in a lore or gameplay aspect. I'd say in lore the space marine still has a good chance so long as he isn't ambushed, cornered, and or immediately disarmed and even then he'd have a small chance at victory if that particular squad isn't the best. In gameplay though I'd say it'd be nearly impossible for them to get the space marine unless he's butt naked. That also reminds me, what weaponry both sides get, does the squad get laser rifles or just regular brass? Does the space marine get the standard issue bolter and chainsword or did the emperor himself deem it important to kill those BOS members and he's allowed any weapon short of a relic.
>>720989646Fallout laser rifles don't vaporize people most of the time, they aren't super powerful. They only do that on crit kills, and it can be explained as some "SCIENCE!" nonsense where the laser hits the atoms just right and causes a chain reaction that splits their atoms like a nuclear bomb. The plasma gooification works by a similar principle. It's incorrect to say that the laser rifles are powerful enough to vaporize someone in a single shot reliably because they aren't. 40k lasrifles should be capable of the same thing if they were operating under fallout SCIENCE! physics.
>>721018591The entirety of lore about Sanguinius and most other primarchs in old editions was what they were doing during the Siege of Terra, if that. I distinctly recall the old Space Wolves codexes basically saying Rus fucked off and that was everything that existed about him at the time.But that was the point. 40k wasn't about characters, it was about the setting and factions. The more named characters that have been added the worse the setting gets. The more focus they get the worse the lore gets. One person is not supposed to be able to shift the unbearable weight of momentum that the galaxy is under. But now we get marvel slop heroes soloing daemon worlds and other random bullshit.There's even persistent rumors of them trying to further sloppify Tyranids by adding persistent "heroes" with personalities beyond the Swarmlord
>>721018901What if brotherhood paladin is hoped up on psycho+jet. And has a stealthboy with a fatman?
>>720987191can a space marine take down a warframe
>>721019091>They only do that on crit kills, nu-Fallout fag detected, get the fuck out>>721015104
>>721019162Then he doesn't feel a thing when he dies.
>>721019134While I get your point about faceless masses, I do think that having a pseudo-pantheon still fits in with the setting, especially since over half of them don't even do anything due to them being dead or corrupted. Meshes better with the Imperium's religious aesthetics once you get to the upper tiers.I do agree with you on the tyranids, though. Their whole point is being a giant horde of exposable bugs completely indistinguishable from each other. Are they trying to pull a Kerrigan or something?
>>721019221Warframes im pretty sure are close to alpha level psykers right? Your average space marine would get fucked.
>>721019408GW have consistently said that the reason Tyranids aren't that popular is because they have no "personality" to identify with.Swarmlord was a way to set the stage to add that, and the Norn Emmissary was another try at it. But its not a big priority because, well, there are Marine kits to sell
>>721019895Let's hope they don't go through with it. Can't imagine it would go over well with the people who like Tyranids.
>>721019895Norm Ems aren't characters, although they are among the rarest bio-forms.
>>720987191Totally, even a squad of guardsmen can fuck up a marine with lasguns if they focus fireAlso, power armor is just fucking insane, It allows you to survive a nuke, if it's just a marine vs a brotherhood squad, he should worry about ammo
>>720987191YeahBut only if they chug Nuka Cola Quantums/Grapes and a shit ton of Stimpaks
>>721019221Depends which frame.Most of them, probably not. Maybe Loki, maybe Wukong. The ones without ridiculously overpowered abilities like Mag or Nova.I've seen some people compare Grineer armor to Marine armor, but I have my doubts. Marine armor is made of special space metal and Grineer are just regular dudes.I think the question is more like how many marines could one Warframe take on, and the number for a lot of them is dozens.
>>721018427okay then, warcraft flavored eldar
>>721019224Old games are non canon now gramps
>>721012217I'm unfortunately a Chaosfag mixed with AdKek.I was going to do Nucrons but I've decided against it.
>>720991925Space marines are as fast as anime swordswmen (samurai x)
>>721012217I started with Tyranids, did a bit of Chaos and if I were to get back into the hobby I'd do Genestealer cults despite the cost.So I have no special feelings about the Imperium and how grimderp it is. The least interesting part of the setting is Marines and anything adjacent to them.
>>721012217I'm bottom left with sympathy to bottom right. The setting was better off when it felt genuinely hopeless and it keeps getting worse and worse. At this point, you're better off just ignoring the fluff altogether and creating your own headcanons.
>>720987191A squad of guardsmen can kill a space marine if their dice get lucky enough.
>>721021182In reaction times yes but not in physical movement, you'll never see a SM do a judgement cut. They absolutely are terrifying in motion and go faster than anything their size has any right to, but don't violate the conservation of momentum in thr way shounen protags do. One ceramite-covered arm probably weighs more than an entire regular person.
>>721001223>Pauldrons with hatI present to you the King of the Setting
>>721018591Man, they're halfway to walking back Horus' death.Sanguinious coming back is practically already happening.
>>721023297But the whole point of his existence is that he's dead
>>721020306>t. canadian
>>721023297Black Library is amazing really, you'd think nothing could be worse than Rulebooks GW prints and then Abnett and the rest of those faggots go and write 30k books.
>>720994293everything sounds dumb if you make fun of it.
>>721023916I loved the lore blurbs in old 3rd and 4th edition books. Have they gotten that much worse? Even 6th edition weren't terrible.
>>720996043> It is composed of a mix of metallic alloys, ceramic polymers and stone of various kinds derived from local sources.
>>721023297If anybody they are walking back dorns death
>>721023297>Sanguinious coming back is practically already happening.Good to know their bad ideas aren't entirely focused on female custodes diversity madness. Turns out they can have completely braindead takes without trying to pander to anyone.
>>721024489Be glad you stopped at 6th. 8th butchered the entire setting into Primarchslop with 'evolving' storylines to try and make it more like 30k, except all the attempts at a serious long-running story in 40k have been abysmal dogshit. The return of the Lion was by far the biggest steaming turd of a running plot arc I've ever seen, there was zero enthusiasm for it both in the books and in the fanbase because it was literally>and then the Lion came backwith zero build-up or explanation for HOW he came back. He literally just appears on a random planet out of nowhere, with zero memories of how he got there.
>>720987191Easily. BoS paladins have critical hits which completely ignore any armor, so space marine power armor is basically just rags.
>>720987191You fucking nerds need to touch some real pussy asap
>>720987191We literally saw one die from ieds lmao
>>721027398>He says on /v/
>>721026728As far as I've heard they've largely tried to memory hole that little debacle and are pretending it didn't happen.As things stand now, technically they exist but they likely will never be mentioned again
>>720994819They literally magic their technology that shouldn't work into working through Waaagh field. Unless you think orks are capable of interstellar travel through their understanding of rocketry.
>>721029067Nah, they'll trot them out in some popular release with something cool to distract from it, then the floodgates will be released.People will largely shrug and accept it, there were always female custodes after all.
>>721029550But like anon said, it can't turn an inert thing into a working gun or do something the orks think is impossible. They have Meks for a reason.Further, Orks were made by the old ones to be weapons. The Meks at least have a genetic understanding of technology. They can build rockets and other technology just fine. The process just doesn't look like a human would do it and safety isn't exactly in their repetoire.So a Mek can build a rocket or whatever to get to space, but you might lose a few Orks because he didn't put an air supply in or some other Orkiness so they have to hold their breath. Maybe they last longer doing that, maybe the rocket goes further and is easier to control than it should, but they can't sit on a pile of scrap and make rocket noises to get to space.
>>720987191According to the tv show you can just shoot through the bos chestplate. Also according to the show which is now cannon you can just take out the fusion core and render the suit useless so probably not.
>>721030651Shooting the fusion core would likely kill the marine too desu. These guys die like fuck when just a rhino explodes
>>720987191Potentially, but highly unlikely.
>>720993987A normal ied set up by a cultist without any special chaos powers murdered a fully armored space marine in the latest game
>>720987191I wonder how HK void would fare against 40k.Is it just a "wtf are you supposed to do against the god of a primal element?" or is some blessings enought to keep it at bay?
>>720987191How does ceramite hold up against miniature nuclear bombs? If the answer is that it doesn't then it ultimately depends on whether or not that squad has a fatman with them.
>>720987191No.
>>721031604Unfortunately, the Shadelord is in the "super vaguely strong" level of strength. We don't know much about it beyond it being stronger than everything else in Hollow Knight.
>>7210202614 warframes could do some utter disgusting crippling damage to the imperium because the teno have reproducable imperium-tier and above levels of tech.If we're talking lore then I think even a plague knight would choke on Saryn's spores.
>>721031745Id say it'd hold up even better possibly. The only case i know of the space marines dying to a nuke was when the salamanders chapter and vulkan were on istvhan. The nuke got dropped right in the middle of their formation killing a ton of them but the salamanders were still able to somehow fight out of that situation and get away. And that was some premo dark age of technology nuke. It would've been hundreds of times stronger than our current most powerful nukes.
>like 40k>hear from friend that black space marines can't exist because they are literally mutated into something else>see black marines everwhere though in mediais this recent dei stuff or something
>>721031604Void in Hollow Knight is just "Leave it the fuck alone and you're safe."If you have the shade lord gunning for your ass you are fucked.
>>721010872>star wars anything>firing accuratelykek
>>721032186yes
>>721031604Well it can't just instantly obliterate literal bugs so I don't think it's faring all that well
>>721032054The thing the Tenno don't have is the ability to go between solar systems, even at the Imperium's random speeds.So Tenno are treated as basically on offlimits/quarantine system and nothing else happens to the wider setting.But also absolutely nothing in 40k is as bonkers as what Warframes can do, so you'd get constant Admech and shit trying to figure out "void magic I don't gotta explain shit"
>>721032186Your friends retarded.. or you're making this up and baiting. You really think that the like 10k strong space marines would all just be white guys? When all you need to do to become a space marine is pass some death trials?
I'd like a 40k game set in less known apocalypse like the harrowing or the pale wasting instead of the usual muh chaos gods again.
>>721032186No. Salamanders specifically were always black (its like a special thing as part of their geneseed or whatever).Also, more in general no, black marines have been around in codexes and painted armies forever. Not particularly prominently or focused on as LOOK A BLACK GUY but just a dude in the background occasionally has been common forever.
>>721032356I think his friend is retarded and told him some stupid badly informed shit about how geneseed makes you more like your primarch and only one primarch is "black" (Salamanders), so it would erase black marine recruits or something equally completely retarded and completely baseless headcanon.
>>721019221I feel like a Warframe that's maxed out to its complete strength would need a top tier primarch to fight it.
>>721032186Anon, your friend is retarded.Salamanders are a thing.And before some fucking retard goes and says "it's their geneseed", the humans on Nocturne were already described as having swarthy complexion when the Emperor first arrived to pick up Vulkan.In other words, they were already black, but the mutation of their melanochrome amped up their darkness by a zillion shades and made their skin jet black.
>>721032750Imagine if the khans geneseed just made every recruit space Mongolian. No matter what...
>>721032750>salamandersyeah he said something about that too not sure what he meant thoughit was during a episode on prime about the squad leader space marine being black but he shouldnt be>>721032356i dunno he was into it before 2000s
>>721002827!
>>720993893Im not expecting high art from 40k but this looks quite corny
>>720987191No. However, a named Fallout Protaganist in power armor could becuase of how broken perks are. Your character literally has toon force in order to be able to do some of the feats the MCs are capable of. Frank Horrigan could probably also beat a single space marine.
>>721033010Tell your friend that you are the one painting the minis. You can make them any race you want. And tell him the emporer of man could literally look like any race he wanted.
>>721019221>Psykers are already literally reality shattering busted with the main balancing fact that actual psykers are retardedly rare and even then those psykers are all schizos who risk getting ass raped and possessed by demons whenever they use their powers at any time.>Warframe are psykers on crack cocaine without the demon rape drawback.No.
>>721026728Sanguinius is literally a Jesus allegory, why would him coming back be a bad idea?
>>720987191If they have Laser and Plasma weapons, yah. Laser and Plasma bolts in Fallout literally melt and disintegrate you. They are massively stronger than 40k Laser and Plasma weaponry. It doesn't make sense and in lore they probably aren't as strong, but gameplay shows them as being ridiculously powerful.
>>721032186Even ignoring Salamanders, the Celestial Lions have been a chapter of blinged up niggas in space since like 4E, and they even have a white primarch (Rogal Dorn)
>>720987191Fallout energy weapons are very powerful, a laser pistol can disintegrate someone to ash instantly. A heavy weapon like a plasma caster is going to hit an astartes very hard.
>>721034171Jesus was a vampire?The more you know.
Reminder that a handheld Phaser from Star Trek can disintegrate a Baneblade with a single shot and a whole squad of Space Marines with a single wide-spread shot.Facts like this usually make 40K fans seethe and then they start making up fake madeup shit that never happened in a vain attempt to say otherwise.
>>721032186People misconstrue a line about I think blood angels starting to slightly resemble Sanguinius to think that they all are carbon copies of the primarch. Which the BLOOD RAVENS NOT BEING RED WITH ONE EYE should rather fucking demonstrate is not true, let alone that some are bald as penny arcade and some have maybeline hair.It's the same way that people think the Asari actually mind-control people into viewing them a certain way instead of just anthropomorphizing. IE Pareidolia
>>721034171Isn't the whole point of his character that he's a Jesus stand-in who never came back to life?
Yes yes, the ONLY black marine will be put in the game now fuck off.
>>721032186Yes and noYes it is probably a recent DEI pushNo, it isn't actually lore breaking, geneseed doesn't erase literally all evidence of who you previously were, it layers a template of certain traits on top of it. There can be black ultramarines (especially ultraniggers since they recruit from five hundred different worlds) the ethnic makeup of a chapter is dependent on their recruiting worlds and then some mutation on top of it. Salamanders aren't niggers they're literally coal black because the organ that fucks with their melanin control is permanently on full blast to deal with the intense radiation of their primarch's (and more than likely their own) homeworld.
>>721034514Space marines would be too fast to get hit by that shit unless the trek dude could also react to laser fire. Space marines are noted as being able to react to fucking lasgun fire all the time.
>>721035126>react topeople can react to gunshots too anon, it's why we have eyes and ears to detect light and sound
>>721034679>Isn't the whole point of his character that he's a Jesus stand-in who never came back to life?Well, clearly they want him to come back, so I'm not sure if that's true, and it's not like there wasn't the miraculous visions and the Sanguinor to hammer in the idea of him being Jesus. Having a second coming wouldn't really be that surprising, considering he was never depicted as evil or even particularly flawed as far as I know. He's also basically depicted as a more ideal version of the emperor, so if I had to guess, GW will replace the emperor with him.
>>721034414Sanguinius wasn't a vampire, he didn't drink blood. His Space Marines do, though.
>>721034519>People misconstrue a line about I think blood angels starting to slightly resemble Sanguinius to think that they all are carbon copies of the primarch.In certain chapter's cases, this is true. The Salamanders, for instance, all of them have very dark skin and glowing eyes, and it's not because they're natively like that since the Terran Salamanders also looked like that, just a bit less dark. A lot of Luna Wolves looked just like Horus, Many Alpha Legionaries look just like Alpharius, I could go on. I guess the idea is that only some marines end up looking like their primarch and not all of them.
>>720994501Super Mutants are fucking cracked. This is what a surgeon digs out of Marcus.>Taking him to Dr. Troy in Vault City to be healed will get him purged of the various bullets embedded in his thick skin, which Troy will then give to the Chosen One. Giving 20 7.62mm, 40 .44 Magnum JHP & FMJ, 50 5mm JHP, 10 .45 caliber, 24 10mm JHP, 50 .223 FMJ, and 20 9mm ball. He has been shot by a lot of people.
>>721034514A star trek ship could sit in orbit and use the transporter to telefrag Space Marines into the planet's core all god damned day. If you remove the Federation's morality they are not to be fucked with.
>>721035235Nigga. Try reacting to a goddamn laser pointer and dodging it as its firing.
>>721035126>madeup fake shit.Space Marines are constantly getting hit by bullets and lasers. Cry, Seethe, Cope, Dilate, Prolapse.
>>721035738People who write fiction treat laser guns like regular guns shooting bullets. This is because they are actually uneducated and don't actually know anything about science, physics, mathematics, geometry, etc... sort of like you.
>>720987191of course not
>>721035739“‘Sire, I believe we should save them for–’ The human said nothing more. The front of his face came free with a sickly crack, the flesh and jagged bone crunching in the Night Lord’s fist. Talos ignored the body as it toppled, spilling the insides of its halved skull onto the decking. No one had even seen him move, such was the prophet’s speed, clearing ten metres and vaulting a console table in the time it took a human heart to beat once.”Pg.93 Void Stalker
>>721009842hold up, homie, we don't know what's going to be in astartes 2, because only the character's backstories have been teased. If i recall, the vignettes have different chapters who'll end up in a kill team or a deathwatch pack.Still can't fucking wait
>>721035967Kek they're big lumbering oafs what is this retarded anime shit, play Space Marine 2 nigga
>>721035967>*gets hit by bullets*
>>721036058He took a brief moment or two to unconsciously alter his carriage; the design of the power armour necessitated a change in posture after time wearing his shipboard clothing. His back straightened and the servos at work in the armour adjusted to his movements after barely a nanosecond’s delay.”Pg.90 Gildar Rift
>>721035967And then that nigga dies to a regular IED he's too slow to react and not strong enough to survive.
>>721036139>*gets his by bullets*
>>721036092“The sorcerer stood at the edge of the marble disc, aiming a bolt pistol. He fired from almost point-blank range. Sabtah had no choice. He slapped the round away. His left hand exploded in a concentric swirl of blood and armour fragments.”Pg.229 Blood Gorgons
>>721036058>play Space Marine 2 niggayou mean the game where they're parrying 8 different things in different directions at once while a regular guardsman struggles to deal with a singular hormagaunt?
>>721035967>>721036139https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d1ChTId2Jm4&t=1s
>>721036242>*gets hit by bullets*
>>720987191>knocks helmet off>shoots in the headsimple as that
>>721036296I haven't heard this niggas voice in forever my god. Did he stop doing 40k vids?
>>720988397>Gatling laserLOL LMAO
>>721036460Fallout lasers completely vaporize anything in fine ash, they mog weak shit lasers from 40k sorry
Gamzas channel is dead af what the fuck happened lmao
>>721036139the person who wrote that doesn't know what a nanosecond is. They just heard the word in Sci-Fi, no doubt written by someone else who did not know what a nanosecond is.
>>721036550>Describes 90% of sci-fi
>>721036460Anon that is a fan animation. Do you have any idea how much of a dumb uninformed Nigger you look like?
A Cadian Shock Trooper could absolute dominate a BoS Paladin. A space marine would absolutely steam roll one.
>>721036460Wow those lasers are sub rebar level?
>>721036520>96.9K subscribersNegative IQ moment.
Why are 40K fanboys so fucking timid and retarded lmao
>>721036784Why are fallout fanboys such feckless dullards?
>>720987191Is the Space Marine named? No? Then yesIs the Space Marine wearing a helmet? Yes? Then yes.
While I have no doubt a space marine could easily destroy a paladin, seeing as a bolt gun would rip their armor apart. I have to wonder how well the different chapters would work. A Black Templar, nova marine, Ultramarines, Imperial Fists, Raptor, Death Guard, World Eater, ect. Those are interesting.and the most important question. How much would a Blood Raven steal if you dropped him in a BoS base?
>>721036879Thy sudden usage of perceived "intellectual" words only serves to demonstrate how emotionally devastated you actually are and how stirred to competition you are by such a simple maneuver as name-calling. See how simple of a trick it is? You are easily manipulated.But alas>frogposter
nightlords rule
>>721037260holy cope
>>720988454Bolt rounds are shit against armor. I think a direct hit would pen Fallout Power Armor, but there's a really good chance of deflection or early detonation.
>>721036707Nigga he used to be pulling way bigger numbers than that
>>721036460that twin las just failed the wound roll
>>721037561What space marine is missing any possible weakpoint in a power armor from fallout? I just heard the other day of a space marine pulling a shot like this. https://youtube.com/shorts/TbCabSzJRvM?si=m6fXCwipxlxgDIzI
>>721036296This video is retarded, does he not know that other than torps an Emperor class ship has point defence that would easily rip through any ship that gets close, they have hundreds if not thousands of point defence, void shields, e.t.c e.t.c. There's no way a little shitty peace loving fag Federation ship could take down an Emp class ship. Now watch people disagree with me because Youtuber said something so it must be true.
>>720994864yeah, but he fucking won't because the marine isn't a retarded training dummy meant to check the Orks DPSthese fuckers have been raised from birth and educated on tactics and martial arts, they know if the Ork with his big axe gets him in the jugular he's fucked so he'll not let that happendo you fucking think knights just walked up to a group of peasents and let them pull him down and beat the shit out of him?fucking retard.
>>720987191Is a squad 3?Fuck no.Is a squad 10, like most modern military's are?Maybe if they're lucky.At the very least the Space Marine's armor is going to get scuffed up, since he can only fire so fast, but the Brotherhood's members are normal humans, and bolters can pierce most metals that the Brotherhood's armor is made out of. One shot would be one kill, with the exception of glancing blows.Fallout weapons aren't that impressive for 40K, but there are plasma and relatively high powered lasers within the Brotherhood's armories. If they know they're coming after a big motherfucker like a 40K Space Marine and break out the gatling lasers and tesla cannons, they might be able to do some damage before they're killed, and with a bit of luck might incapacitate the marine long enough to shower him with enough firepower to cook him alive within his power armor.
>>720994170>force removal of your helmet, which makes you vulnerablein 40k, its actually the opposite. if a marine takes his helmet off, then he gains the most powerful form of armor in the setting. plot armor.
>>720987191>squad of 3 No>squad of 9YesIf their armor is riveted, that’ll be their weakness. Weaponized lasers and plasma are hard to quantify in destruction, but the BoS have tons of those.
>>721037858Gamza thinks 40k is like a weaker verse than halo or someshit.
>>720987191I don't know about the book lore but the table top game has them with bolt guns and maybe one unit in a squad with a slightly larger armament (chaos reaper or w/e, sorry I played Thousand Suns). All of that seems pretty underwhelming and not THAT big of an improvement beyond Fallout power armor with a minigun. THere'd have to be some kind of asspull like "in 40,000 AD, spacemarine armor is made out of a super special alloy" to be able to outclass multiple power-armor wielders.
>>721035738That's not what Astartes do? Unless you mean to claim they're able to move faster than light, in which case LOL you're dumber than most 40k fanboys
>>721038128Does he not know that the Imperium fights technologically advanced civilisations like the Necrons and Tau with their ships and can go toe to toe. I did read in the comments that people were correcting him on how wrong he got the concept of the zoid shields and confused them with a geller field.
>>721037938You have to also account for which chapter that marine is from because they each have different MO's. A Raptor and an Ultramarine are not going to fight the same. A Black Templar and a Blood Raven are absolutely different. If it's a standard Ultramarine, your theory stands. If it's a Black Templar and he gets into melee range, not even ten Paladins are going to be able to hold him off given their brutality in melee range.A Raptor would never get hit and they'd be fighting him for days if he's clever. The Paladins would tire, the Raptor won't. Also have to think about environment, use of cover, if the Space Marine decides to use his more obscure abilities like recalling if he drank some blood or spat in their face.Also does the Blood Raven want their relics?
>>720987191No. Better question is if a squad of Spartans could.
>>721038507
>>721038464>Does he not know that the Imperium fights technologically advanced civilisations like the Necrons and Tau with their ships and can go toe to toe. Toe to toe? With Necron ships? No way in hell fag, the Imperium needs a 100 to 1 numbers advantage to beat a Necron fleet. That's not an exaggeration either, it's shown exactly to be like that in Twice-Dead King. The Necrons have such a massive tech advantage the Imperium's fleets are hopelessly outmatched by a handful of Cron ships, it's just that the Imperium has 1000 times more ships overall and just keep coming, gradually wearing down Necron fleets until they get a chance to move in for the kill
>>721038387Barbelo was the last to advance into the chamber. He moved straight forwards, sighting a traitor in a heavy overcoat wielding a plasma pistol. The man fired. The sergeant dropped his shoulder to avoid the shot. The plasma round burnt through the air to melt the wall where his head had been an instant before. The man fired again. ‘In the name of–’ Barbelo, dodged left and fired, his round vaporising the man’s head and shoulders before the traitor could finish his sentence. ‘We will not hear the name of your heathen god, heretic,’ Barbelo fired again; his plasma round obliterating what remained of the treacherous commissar’s corpse in a crackle of blue energy. ‘Sanctum secure.”Pg.18 H&B 15 – Beneath the Flesh
>>721038614holy fuck that screencap is so irradiated with autism that I can feel my social skills deleting themselves the longer I read it. Shut the fuck up faggot
>>721038867You're in a 40k/general sci-fi threadif you don't have terminal autism already just leave
>>721038670Well alright they outnumber the Necrons but Necrons are spooky scary super, hyper advanced and very ancient so that makes sense it would take a lot more firepower to even the odds against those old fucks. I suppose the Tau and Imperium would be a more apt comparison as the Tau are super advanced but still struggle immensely against the Imperium in combat if the Imperium stops dicking around and takes the Tau threat seriously.
>>720994009>40k plasma is stronger than Fallout plasma.>>720994775If I remember my nerd shit correctly, Fallout plasma weapons work like 40K gauss weapons where they canonically strip away material on the hit.
>>721038867
>>721038697>he's actually trying to argue Astartes move FTL because an Astartes did a head juke on an obvious plasma trajectoryyou're just outright delusional anon. And autistic. And retarded.
>>721038963Not arguing ftl. Just arguing that your brotherhood of steel merchants aint pulling that shit off lol.
Space Marines are stated to be able to move so fast the human mind can't even register it, and causes normal people to freak out, calling it "transhuman dread"You know how in Dragonball the characters move so fast they look like they teleport? Ya, like thatI feel like that isn't brought up very often
>>721039189An un-powered powerarmored astartes makes quick work of your typical "super solders" https://youtube.com/shorts/kQ1a_KK_gB4?si=rwrGBXBQYxGVO2EK
>>721039189Apparently they can move 2x-3x a normal baseline human even in power armour, they could fuck over easily any Brotherhood of steel member.
>>721039189Because it's dumb, they say the Drukhariand Eldar can move like that, they say the Harlequins can move like that. Memes I tell you, nothing but memes.
>>721038484Considering the thread image, I think the Ultras are a fair bet.Also roughly 75% of marines are codex-compliant.
>>720987191Lmao exterminatus yourself
Space Marine wanking in non-tabletop circles is ridiculous and not even consistent with the source game. Marines can die to Lasguns. In fact they do, frequently. They can die to fragmentation grenades, and any number of other "mundane" weapon. Their armor is not impervious to everything and they don't have invincibility. Could a squad of these other power armor guys beat a single Space Marine? Probably, at least some of the time. Some Fallout weapons seem at least pretty close to 40k personal weapons in terms of damage potential.
>>721039874Go to /tg/ this is /v/ and Space Marines are Titus here. Tuff norf lads who ate all the Tyranid pies.
>>721039189Thats the stupidest shit I've ever heard. You want to know what that looks like in the actual 40k game? They can move basically the same speed as elite humans (Kasrkin) sonetines even less. They're not teleporting like Goku.
>>721012831ThisBrits in the 90s were just really dogshit storytellers, don't paint them with the modern post-ironic brush of today
>>720987191A gauss rifle is punching a hole in your precious ceramite tin cans never mind if one of the paladins brings a fat man
>>721039743"Codex-compliant" can be stretched a bit. Also even in the Ultramarines chapters, there are several squads composed of marines with different jobs and duties depending on where they are going and who they are facing. You have everything from Vanguards doing scouting and assassination to Bullworks going in with power swords and shields.But my autism tells me it's just a standard Astartes loadout of bolt rifle, pistol and likely a knife and grenades (possible smoke too). However, I can't tell the rank or company of OP's image, though the gold pauldrons and many purity seals tells me he's high ranking and VERY experienced.
>>720995342no, the necrons are
>>721038614A Spartan is like a surgical knife, they were initially intended to quash colonialist rebellions and their strategies and tactics reflect that. They deploy well behind enemy lines, take out their objectives, then extract. A Space Marine is just a Hammer. They are the ultimate shock troop. They're specifically designed to just drop right on top of enemy positions and tear them a new asshole. Two different takes on Super soldiers with two different Doctrines. If you give the Spartans prep time to set up a carefully planned ambush, they might have a shot.A direct confrontation? No chance.
>>721040043>He says he plays the tabletop but doesn't know the basic lore of the game>Space Marines: They can achieve short sprints of 50–80 km/h (31–50 mph) in power armor, with unarmored estimates reaching up to 100 km/h (62 mph) for elite warriors like Blood Angels. This is drawn from sources like the Horus Heresy novels (e.g., Fulgrim by Graham McNeill, where Space Marines outpace vehicles in bursts) and Codex: Space Marines (8th/9th editions), which describe them as "blindingly fast" in close assaults.
Could she beat a Space Marine, 1v1, no items, Final Destination?
>>721040357Yeah and all that bullshit translates to 6 inches on the table buddy.
>things veered into Halo vs 40KOkay, fuck it. Mjolnir Recon number 54 vs the God-Emperor of Mankind.
>>721040476Longer than you dick.
>>721040183One Tau with a sniper drone wiped out a squad of space marines alone. A Spartan with a sniper rifle presumably does the same.
>>721014461The DoW2 into does a good job of showing this and them btfoing a bunch of SM.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rguPkHT5KkQ
>>721040853This fan made animation tries to show off the speed of the Marines.https://youtu.be/5Eicp0mQHL4?si=V4JS9HUFrf2xrHH-&t=102
>>720994687that thing in fallout uses 5mm ammo or something. it didn't even do very good damage per shot against dudes in football pads in vegas. lore accurate it wouldn't even scratch a space marine. that said they also had plasma guns and nades in fallout which could work better
>>721040791You mean like an Ambush?
The Brotherhood of Steel do have gauss rifles
>>721041064Legion confirmed to have waagh energy via believing their football equipment can tank bullets so it does
Funnily enough if you were take the Covenant and plop them into 40k as a faction they would do pretty well for themselves, considering they field almost exclusively plasma weaponry, which to the Imperium is like the cream of the crop of weapons techA single grunt with a fuel rod cannon could prove very deadly to space marines
>>721041068No I mean hit and run tactics over a large area.
>>721036625It's canon though.
>>720987191absolutely no.
>>721001223What about the objectively best helmet, the beakies
>>721038614>implying a gauss cannon or a stanchion couldn't penetrate bone armor>implying an energy sword couldn't penetrate ceramic and bone>implying any forerunner weaponry wouldn't melt through armor>implying some roided-out s3 couldn't berserk and beat a marine to a pulp with a gravity hammer
>>720993636no. but as with anything you can fuck it with enough effort.
>>720993987>It takes literal space magic for regular firearms penetrate space marine armor>die to autoguns>greyknights dying to literal knights on horseback>chaplain dying to a hobo with a stick>die to arrows to the faceno
>>721001223But no matter what they wear, they all die to poison.
>>721041689>missing the point this hard
>>721041714sorry they what
>people who ask why the funny mushroom hooligans aren’t rigidly set in science and factsAccept the piss take
>>721041839it's from the imperial infantryman's primer. it's a propaganda rag with hilarious amounts of misinformation on xenos and is rightly ignored and used as toilet paper by guard veterans
>>721040141I can tell you probably learned about 40K from Space Marine 2, but I won't hold that against you. Everyone starts somewhere.Bulwarks aren't a thing in the lore (the class is actually more like a type of Vanguard squad member), and vanguards do absolutely ZERO scouting. But that's for a different level of autism.If you look at the OP's image and see that little white shield doodad on his left pauldron, that's a Crux Terminatus. They're given to marines that have earned terminator honors, meaning they can wear the big fuckoff huge terminator armor, which is reserved for veterans.In addition, those spines signify they are a veteran of the Tyrannic war, where the Ultramarines fought the Tyranids. A boatload of casualties came about because of this, and it nearly broke the Ultramarines, so being a survivor of that basically means you're already a hardass among hardasses.Most of them ended up being taken into the 1st company of the Ultramarines, where they put the hardest of hardasses with the coolest wargear being issued to them.So the marine in the OP is absolute monster. Even if he's 'only' got a bolter and the giant knife hanging from the back of his hip, he is certifiably in the top 10% of marines in the setting.
>>721041689>possibly could but Space Marines have fought against such weapons before>not a standard Spartan armament>not a standard Spartan armament>not a standard Spartan armament One thing i notice is that halo glazers always equip spartans with gear they don't have readily access to Also i have yet to see how a Spartan could even handle something like a Librarian, which Space marines have readily access to
>>721041950FUCK DAMN SHIT I GOT IT BACKWARDSThe thing on his shoulder IS the Terminator Honors, meaning he can wear the Crux Terminatus.All the /tg/ nerds are going to bully me and take my lunch money...
>>721042063Post-war Spartans can easily requisition pretty much any Covenant weapon thanks to Arby and friends, and they're first on the list to field test scavenged Forerunner weapons/hybrid prototypes.
>>720987191If it's a a squad of 3 then no, most weaponry they have would barely damage a space marine even anti material rifles and rocket launchers which would have to score a direct hit when space marines can literally dodge them. Your average space marine would blitz them. Now if they have plasma weaponry which is one of the few things that can actually eat through space marine power armor then maybe they could damage them? Problem is that the boltgun a space marine would have would decimate fallout power armor and space marines are fast as fuck and have specialized Auspex equipment meaning it would be hard to get the drop on a space marine to begin with. Then there's the matter of space marines being hardy as hell, even if they did manage to get through the power armor a space marine can survive losing limbs like it's nothing. I'd give a squad of brotherhood of steel paladins a like <1% chance to 3 vs 1 a space marine. They would have to ambush him and then spam plasma weaponry at the marine in an extremely fast maneuver all targeting the head otherwise they're pretty much fucked.
I fucking love Titans, give me a game where I'm a Titan pilot and nothing else. Do not mention that mobile slop to me, it doesn't count.
>>721041950>>721042117You are correct, but I primarily an Imperial Guard fan and I like to read anything to do with urban combat in 40k. Space Marine 2 is getting me more into learning actual TACTICS than just the fluff I usually read. Any book you recommend for more on Space Marine tactics and squad formations?I've been a fan for over a decade but I am too ULTRA poor to get into plastic crack. so I just settle on books, games and TTS.
>>720997495>60kph>as fast as most carswhy do fanboys think running at 60kph is some amazing feat against dedicated antiarmor/antiair units with targeting computers/systems that regularly engage aircraft and other similarly speedy targets?
>>721041950>and see that little white shield doodad on his left pauldron, that's a Crux TerminatusNot to be a know-it-all, but the crux terminatus is the skull and cross insignia on Terminator armor. Also, the marine on OPs pic is in the second company since his pauldron trim is gold. First company members have white trim and white helmets.>>721042117maybe...
>>721000649>Tyranids are also insanely strongthink he's talking about exodite dinosaurs
>>720994614>40k ground equipment isn't much better than other Sci Fi universesYour standard lasgun is a fully automatic laser rifle that can punch through a wall of concrete with infinite ammo and it's the standard issue weapon of the Imperial Guard.
>>720987191A single one would take out as many as they have because Warhammer is boring dogshit
>>721042452So the trim on the armor dictates which company? If my memory serves me, there are ten company to a chapter, which includes the scout/training chapter.
>>721004360>lasguns being fucking insane than anything else.>autoguns are objectively better but the munitorum are cheap fucksno they arent. autoguns are pretty much analogous to modern firearms with a few exceptions and while difficult can definitely still kill a marine.
>>721040108The problem isn't just the ceramite, asyartes biology makes them almost as tough as an ork knob. Even if you put the marine in firing squad you're gonna need to take out both his hearts or his head or else he's just gonna survive that shit. The amount of damage they take is insane , the story of most Dreadnoughts is pretty brutal
>>721042635Yes, ten companies, 1000 marines, but I think due to organizational stuff, there are often more than this. Here's a chart of a codex chapter organization, and you can see the company colors. It doesn't have to be the pauldron trim, but for the Ultramarines it is. Other chapters have things like kneepads, chest insignia, numbers, etc., to designate company affiliation. Blood Angels, Dark Angels, and other non-Codex-compliant chapters don't do this, though.
>>721042681To be fair the lore is pretty inconsistent in that regard. Autoguns either straight up just leave tiny dents in ceramite or can pinch small holes that accrue overtime to weaken the armor before it can be punched through. Most autoguns aren't going shit in the lore though since they're just supposed to be the shit weapons
>>721042635Whoops, forgot the chart.
>>721042879the autoguns used by hive gangers are shit. imperium autoguns are pretty good for what they are.
>>721042879Autoguns are literally just modern day firearms There's old 40k art of hive world gangers using AK's
>>721043005TWO WORLD WARS
>>721040583The God Emperor is basically a Dragon Ball character who once punched a C'tan to mars from Northern Africa and is exponentially more powerful of a psyker than Malcador who could choke out a Primarch on a whim and teleport an entire moon.
>>721043083THREE. PLUS, THE UNIFICATION WARS SONNY.truly the emperor's caliber
>>721042947I'm sure that a better image would show a difference between second and sixth/ third and seventh. But I a slight color difference.What's the difference between a battle and reserve company? Does the battle go out and fight while the reserve guard chapter monasteries/bases?
>>721043083>1911 is in 40k>1911 is in FalloutThe great unifier...
>>721043149Mjolnir Recon number 54, while himself somewhat limited in terms of direct strength, is every legendary hero to ever exist, manifest as a perpetual entity that cryptically goes through apotheosis in the third Marathon game by cascading across dimensions before ultimately shooting beyond a singularity and becoming realized as the hand that holds the universe itself. Arguably, the whole thing is actually due to him being the player avatar. As a player of games you go from universe to universe filling the shoes of an endless array of heroes, and even in the close of the story and the finality of The End, you exist beyond it. And that's the mantle of Mjolnir Recon number 54 with regard to Marathon. It's the Elder Scrolls thing before the Elder Scrolls thing was a thing.
>>721041019only officially canon GW sources should be counted (most of the games and the secret level episode for example) since the imperium and fanboys like to jerk off marines too much vs to what they can actually do
>>721043335>What's the difference between a battle and reserve company? Does the battle go out and fight while the reserve guard chapter monasteries/bases?I think that's the point but in the lore as far as I can tell, the difference is practically nonexistent since 1000 marines is too few to half 500 sitting in your fortress monastery, so they're all fighting constantly for the most part. The only difference is the last three companies, which are training companies and consist entirely of one type of marine, i.e., assault, devestators, scouts, etc.
>>721043005>Rifle caliber is 8.25 longI'm gonna guess the 8.25 long is gonna be a similar round to the 8mm mauser? Which is roughly equivalent to 3006 , which penetrates about half an inch into steel at 100 yards. Ceramite is harder than steel in lore but it kind of depends who's writing it so it's gonna not even penetrate half an inch at 100 yards probably just dent it a bit I don't think 8.25 is gonna really do the trick against power armor unless the marine is suddenly blitzed by an intense hail of like 10 of them going off all at once with fully accurate automatic fire. Even then it's just gonna very slowly wear down the armor even if the marine just stood there.
>>721043529Interesting. Thank you for teaching me about the strategies and lore of space marines, my Ultramarine friend. You are a great man and I hope all your future rolls succeed.
>>721043467Well the emperor pre throne also fought an inter dimensional war across time and space against Horus and has become a semi warp based deity by the time of 40k
>>721043697Yet still got his ass kicked by a random ork. Black library is so retarded and kept in business only by brown "people"
>>721043514You're not getting past Cato Sicarius, he'll smash into you at max speed then head stomp you into mush.
>>720989628>Power Armor is also practically impervious to Lasguns so I think Fallout lasers would be just as useless.What a load of horsehit. 40k armor isn't that strong. Wildcards like the Experimental MIRVs, Holorifle, Red Glare and the Saturnite Fists would be weapons worthy for the Imperium to invest in.
warhammer is such a shit setting
>>721043595lasguns and autoguns do shit if you hit ceramite plate directly. most lasgun and autogun kills happen when hitting marine vulnerable points like the visors and joints. also the munitorum issued autoguns probably have slightly better ammo than we have. ganger autoguns are likely pretty much the same as to what we have now.
>>721043930>Isn't that strongIt's pretty strong with the Pauldrons having the ability to shrug off 70mm bolter rounds.
>>721043975to be fair it's mostly the marine fanboys who are awful. most other faction fanboys are nowhere near as toxic
>>720987191No, but who would win, a space marine or a psycho warrior?
>>720990945Turbo plasmas and by extension the pulse guns would be lethal as shit to spess marine. Not including the early iterations of the gauss rifles that could be manufactured at scale. Before they got nerfed into slow as fuck rail guns.
>>721043801Thing is that could be explained that the emperor was just playing, the emperor pulls all sort of shit like that masking his true image to people and appearing to people in various characters in order to influence their opinions on him. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to say that he pretended just so he could have his Primarch "save" him in order to give them the confidence they need to to run the imperium in his place after ullanor was conquered This is a dude who canonically has so much foresight tha, on an ancient pre space faring earth, punched a c'tan from Northern Africa to Mars in order to subtly influence the development of Old Night era Mars to create the Mechanicus. The guy is a tricky as fuck
>>721043998>also the munitorum issued autoguns probably have slightly better ammo than we have.Maybe? Going off of the stats the size of the bullet and muzzle velocity are basically the same as what 8mm mauser is. Maybe they have special armor piercing bullets of some sci Fi bullshit metal? Like some kind of super tungsten?
>>721018754>Lasguns are almost never fired at full power because they'd use up juice too fast that wayKriegniggers and the Vostroyans do but the former are suicidal and the later practice Napoleonic style staggered fire to maximize their effectiveness.
>>721044106Listen to yourself. You're arguing he was only pretending to be retarded, as if that makes the authors any less retarded.
>>721044427Yeah you right. The emperor's writing is inconsistent as hell. Still though, every Primarch is supposed to be some aspect of the emperor and that includes alphariis and omegon
>>721044302>KriegniggersGod I will never get over the glazing they got in the 4th war for Armageddon while the steele legion AND sisters of battle both got shit on
>>721001005Stub guns are AKs in spess while autoguns are predominately caseless ala G3 minus the kraut space magic. Stub guns are considered lowest of the low that are only good for insurecctioists and an heros. Heavy stubber is an exception because 50.cal is only lead projectile that you will punch through them. By this logic tank rifles and Barrett M82s would be viable when you produce them at scale if your world is too shit for lasguns.
>>721042452>First company members have white trim and white helmets.I was under the impression that was honor guards, but I could also bees is am an retarded.Dark Angels are my boys even if my first army was Craftworld Eldar, and they wear their fancy robes instead. /fa/ as fuck and made of plasma and/or terminators.Ravenwing can go suck a dick. Bikes just feel so lame when they get stuck in.
Alright, just hear me out.Ork. Spess. Muhreens.
>>721044810Da Emprah's Greenest
>>721044810'Ol on we'z nevah made da great gold git emprah
>>720987191BoS are regular people in power armour. Spess marines are bioengineered giants integrated with their suits. Fallout weapons are like BB guns in the 40k universe. It’s like a squad of guardsmen with extra armor trying to kill a spess marine but no support, artillery, tanks.
>>721044810>Oi lads finks dis goes against da big book>Iz you sure da boss approves?
>>721044763>I was under the impression that was honor guardsWell, they're all members of the first company, as far as I know, so I think they do use the white trim. Honor guards are weird, though. For example, I don't recall the Victrix Guard having white helmets, but I think they do have the white pauldron trim.
>>721043083>Can you make us a gun that can kill a bull, in one go?In one shot?>No we meant, like, in one magazine.Oh no! Anyway, I made a caliber called .45 ACP and this can kill almost anything with one shot.>ALMOST anything?Well, yes. I needed to leave something for my next gun, the Browning machine gun, to kill.You'll NEVER guess what gun the Heavy Stubber machine gun is modeled after.
>>721044249>80% of the boolet is now propellant>hardened steel tips with uranium cores by default because resource constraints haven't been a factor for the last 40k yearsLasguns are the mainstay because they're very dependable, easy to use, highly efficient with adjustable power settings and have multiple vectors for energy gathering. Ala solar, heat or static charging stations. They would be the perfect weapon in a setting that doesn't take autism powerleveling as the word of God.
>>721043083Can't go wrong with the classics.
>>721045204I wouldn't be surprised if the uranium was actively radioactive too not depleted. That fits for 40k
>>721040465Isn't Gunbuster gigabusted as a setting?
For me, it's the CIS
>>721045693General Grevious did nothing wrong.
>>721044427>You're arguing he was only pretending to be retardedno nohe IS retardedhe was pretending to lose:)
