>native fps>At 10-20 range>Turn on dlss/fsr>FREE performance and better image quality >Can even turn on frame generation too for extra frames. Why does /v/ insist on staying in the past? Just turn on the frame generation and call it a day. No need to ask developers to compromise their vision just because your toaster can't run it.
>>720990674>$5000 pc>cant even run a game at 60 fps natively I guess I'll wait for a 9090 super.
>just upscale from 720p to hit 60fps bro
>>720990871>$5000 pc>cant even run a game at 60 fps nativelyShould have bought a GAMING console instead of an overpriced spreadsheeting machine
>>720991340the gaming console has a $350 desktop gpu equivalent
>>720990674>FREE performance and better image qualityYou will never have real frames.
>>720991462your 2000$ GPU costs 200 dollars to manufacture btw
>>720991340>buy something to run games at 30fps with dips and fake frames Sure.
>>720992391>buy something that costs 10x more which also runs games at 30fps with dips and fake frames
>>720990674yes goy, buy new hardware every year for thousands he he he
>>720993658You don't have a job?
>>720992287consoles are sold at a loss retard, at least outside of nintendo, those are garbage otherwise there would be absolutely zero reason to buy over building a pc besides retardation
>>720992845>10x moreyou can build a 9060xt pc which is slightly stronger than a ps5 pro gpu for basically the same price
fuck borderlandsfuck randypiss in shit gearbox
>>720995132>consoles are sold at a loss retard,yes? obviously? where is the contradiction here?>otherwise there would be absolutely zero reason to buy over building a pc besides retardationYou already gave a reason yourself in the first paragraph of your sentence. Consoles are sold at a loss and your gaming PC is sold at a 10x premium markup.Is your brain so fried you can't logically argue anymore?>you can build a 9060xt pc which is slightly stronger than a ps5 pro gpuI want to see your 9060 XT run borderlands 4 at 4K 60fps.>for basically the same priceI already have a spreadsheeting computer with a ryzen 7 5700g. there is nothing stopping from just buying a graphics card and putting it in, despite that I have no reason to do it
>>720995402>>720997175
>upscale from 720p just to hit 60that is just sad
>>720997175your ps5 pro isn't actually running native 4k 60 at pc quality you coping retardyou can't pull out magic performance out of a hat
>Eclair 33 @ native 4K, max settings and optimized by 3 french fags and a dog:~40fps average>Borderlands 4 @ native 4K, max settings and optimized by the most talented pajeets:sub 20fps average
>>720997175it's not a markup retardit's a discountyou're paying less up front because that's how sony gets you into the ecosystem, relying on myopic retards with no tech literacy whatsoeverthe 6700xt, ps5's gpu was $480 at launch, a system with it would take about $1kthat's the best case scenario for the consoles that has ever existed and it's still only 2x with a big asterisk
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>>720990674>games run so bad now ue5 ruined ever-ACK
>>720998639post frame data from 80s
Dont they recommend to only use framegen when you at minimum have 60fps?
>>720998639>>720998738>DSRnow post on how BL4 runs at 8K
>>720998639This is at 4k btw.Borderlands 4 at 4k runs worse on an RTX 5080 than Metro Last Light at 4k did on a GTX 980.And Last Light is the better-looking game, despite being over a decade older.
>>720998801Trust the process.
>>720998801DependsOn blackwell especially starting from 40ish is good too usually
>>720998801Yes, both Nvidia and AMD recommend that your minimum framerate when using frame gen is 60 FPS, but just like how DLSS was originally pushed as something meant to get 4k image quality even at a lower resolution but became people upscaling from 360p to 1080p, frame gen is now being used as a crutch to go from 20-30 FPS to 60 FPS.Some good recent examples being the console versions of Black Myth Wukong and Monster Hunter Wilds, both of which use framegen to go from 30 FPS to 60 FPS, and feel like shit as a result.
>>7209988012x frame gen cuts your real framerate by 20%4x frame gen cuts it by 35%it's fucking shit, just turn on motion blur
>>721000378Why are you making shit up? Just the latency increase of x4 is barely 10% most of the time.
>>721000607>>721000378Framegen lowers base fps, mostly depends on CPU you faglords
>>721000607nice misdirection retardhttps://youtu.be/EiOVOnMY5jI
>>721000772Yeah not by that much though. If the latency increase is 10% than "real frames" drop must be significantly lower>>721000816bullshit, literally no one else on the planet could ever record a drop like that from dlss-fg
>>721000965nigger you can enable it yourself and use steam's own tools to measure the drop
>My console is so fucking strong..I can use it to play...BorderlansReally?
>>721000965If you're getting 60 fps with frame gen off and then you turn on x4, you won't get 240. Because frame gen itself isn't free, you'll get something more like 200-220.This is why some people are doing multi GPU set ups with lossless scaling where you can offload all the frame gen work to a 2nd lower end GPU. Lossless scaling frame gen has even more artifact in though so I wouldn't use it personally.
>>721001051nigger i have measured it. It's less than 10% for the latency almost always with 4x mfg4x framegen + reflex is going to nearly halve latency if properly implemented vs no fg+ no reflex.
>>721002040framerate faggot, not latencyframerate gets cut by a third with 4x framegenthe whole point of wanting high framerates is to see smooth and responsive mouse movements and you're not getting that when 3/4 of your frames are ai slop, quite the opposite
turn down the settings retards, ultra has always been a "for future gpus" type of setting>nooo i want to run it maxed out 1440p on my midrangeretards. historically no mid-range gpu was capable of running ultra at acceptable framerates at high resolutions unless there was a 3+ year split between the generation of consoles the game it was made for and the PC hardware>6600 gt, 2004 mid-range, ultra settings>doom 3? ran like shit (~30 fps)>splinter cell: chaos theory? same>half-life 2? ditto>far-cry 1? no different>fear 1? you guessed it>hitman: blood money? a stutter-fest @ 15 fpsturn the settings down to a mix of medium/high and enjoy your frames. if that isnt enough turn on upscaling and framegenand guess what... back in the day we only had the option of lowering resolution and settings, no upscaling or framegenif that isnt enough... BUY A BETTER GRAPHICS CARD YOU FUCKING RETARDS!!!>nooooo this game made for 2020 console gpu should run fine on my mid-range 2015 gpu!!!fuckin zoomers
>>721002315Retarded post.
>>721002315if the game looks and runs at shit you have no excusethere's nothing about this garbage that commands the hardwarein fact it sucks fucking shit precisely because raytracing was used as a shortcut
>>721002315Is that you, Randy? Are you still seething?
>>721002239if thats true than who gives a shit? Latency isn't increased by a third, not even closeso a base framerate of 40, latency of 50fps, and it looks like 160, what would be wrong with it without using a buzzword like "ai-slop?"
>>721002379you cant disprove anything that i said... its ok to be retarded anon... just eat crow and move on>>721002419ya i agree, borderlands is the type of game where massive improvements is graphical fidelity is basically lost on the artstyleif you ask me bl2 and bl3 looked pretty much the same... yet obviously bl3 needed way more gpu power because it does more>>721002453yes i am still seething! dont stop sucking my cock! oh baby youre so good at this!
>>7210023156600 gt actually does 70+fps on ultra hl2 on 1280x1024 with no AA, 50+ with 4xAA and 8 times texture filteringbut nice try niggerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXUen89R-YU
>>721002528muh latency is a poor cope for something that can only be personally assessedagain, the point of high framerates is to have even the most minute of your mouse movements reflected and that doesn't happen when your framerate is fucking fake
>>721002808>This formerly premium GPU >On a game that looks no better than a PS2 late title>At 1280x1024>Only 70+fpsHow shameful. That GPU should have been doing 120+ fps easily. I guess valve doesn't know how to optimize their shit either?
>>721002808>with no aaway to move goalposts like a cocksucking faggot... arent you seething that you cant run ULTRA on your MIDRANGE? TURN ON AA!!oh wait... NOW ITS A SLIDESHOW @ 30 fpsHAHAHAHAHA BTFO BY YOUR OWN VIDEObuy a better graphics card retard
>>721003048You're so fucking retarded and just ignorant on all of this it's not even funny, believe whatever dumbass shit you want to I don't care.
>>7210030725060ti and 9060xt are 160x as powerful as that gpudoes bl2 look anywhere near 160x as good?
borderlands 4 is futureproofin 5-10 years people will still struggle to run it with best cpus and gpus available
>>721003260fg shills have never used or know how to increase the refresh rate past 60hz and it shows
>>721003476>never used or know how to increase the refresh rate past 60hz and it showsYeah I know you haven't. Post a gpuz you nogger
>>721003541>no i'm not actually blind i just can't tell the difference between real and fake frames so i cope with muh latency
dlss/fsr was a tech mistake and should have never been implemented
>>721003848Fsr4 is now available on steam deck devices so stop complaining about sour grapes..
>>721004007>For only a 40% reduction in framerate vs fsr3!>Not even actually comparable to fsr 4 or dlss stillOh wow how fantastic
>>721003121>>7210030729/10 bait, you actually made me start writing a reply
>>721004295Is there something psychological about people overly baring their teeth when displaying emotions? Something like mass murderers and their propensity to torture/kill animals in childhood.
>>721003848I'm OK with it since I play games on a 4k monitor. For people still using 1080p/1440p, dlss/fsr shouldn't be needed.
>>721004295+1 up vote
>>721003072lolthis is the amount of performance uplift that has happened since that gpu and then some since the 9400gt is still faster
>>720990674What if the game is unoptimized on purpose, to distract people from how bad the gameplay is?
>>721005615gameplay is literally the only thing this franchise does right and all that people even give a shit about
>>721004629that's the problem, though. developers are lazy when they come across new technologies like this. they don't think "oh hey how can we implement this to move forward in making new technology better?" they say "how can we make current technology more low effort for us?"
>>721000378I played around with FGx4 on my 5070ti and it does seem pointless, but you are overreacting. It runs fine and very smooth but there is no point in so much fps. Once Reflex 2 drops it could be good. Games going from 40 fps to 120 with better latency would be magic.
>>721002315>we designed our game for future hardware So the reverse of optimization.
>>721005540Videogames need to die even faster.
>>720990674>just use AI upscaling techniques to get 60 FPS on your $5000 PC
>>721008714a 9060xt pc is $1000 max
>>721010139Prove it.
>>721011731top is a respectable build you can upgrade, bottom is the bare minimum console match build
>>721013548total of the bottom one is $731idk how i managed to cut that wrong
>>721013548>Cougar PSU >5500>Powercolor>No windows>No controller includedScam alert.
>>721015829it's cheaper than a ps5 projust buy it with the leftovers
>>721015829>Cougar PSUit's fine for the purposedo you think consoles get high quality shit?>5500matches the ps5 pro>Powercolorthey're a reputable brand?>No windowsretardextremely low iq>No controller includedbasic bitch office kbm combo is $10
>>720990674give it a rest randy
>Joltzdude stream>asks for ideas on builds to make>suggest Rafa blade build>100 chat spam calling me an idiot and saying that build is retarded and worthless>"Hmmm you know what, I think arc knives Rafa could be a sleeper build. Let's do it.">100 chat spam saying the build is underrated and saying arc knives Rafa is the bestI fucking hate stream chatters. Literal god damn sheep.
>>721018939>watching streamers
