Can somebody explain why this area is such a massive filter? Like, you don't need to smash your head against it. It's a 100% optional, so every bit of frustration you inflicted on yourself is entirely your fault. You can just walk around it and come back later if you feel like it.
>>721009654I found it very easy was honestly surprised by how people were getting stuck on itbilewater was way worse
It's the area you tend to end up in and then think that it's mandatory
people not understanding what a metroidvania is
>>721009654It’s directly after the bell beast and the arena in the middle is challenging. It introduces the pogoing which filtered a lot of people but I got used to it in minutes.
>>721009654i don't even get why people think it's hardthe fat ant dude at the start is super easy to cheese, shakra solos the arena for you, and you can't even fight savage beastfly when you first get there because you need the glide cloak
>>721009654Hunter's march is a mid to end game area that is accessible from the start. It's also designed around you having the dash bare minimum since the traps are actually impossible to avoid
>>721009782what is hard about bilewater? I am honestly asking. it is on paper the easiest zone in the game. there's no boss. it's just a quick loop around with a few platforming sections. 80% of the enemies are those super easy to kill explody flies that respawn infinitely so you can just stop and farm them for silk if you need to heal.
>>721010003it is locked behind an "ultra tough" (you can just pogo him) ant with a big bone sword.Given most people who think hunters march is hard, probably had a tough time pogoing the ant beforehand.
>>721010296Plus, via memory zone, you can get to the purified zone and get the item to negate the poopy water.all you need is double jump.
>>721009654You can't know what is optional and what isn't. That's why I hate exploration in this game because basically if I want to explore everything I need to try guessing which is the optional path. Because if I accidentlaly follow the main path then I need to turn around and go that outer route for that stupid fucking flea.
>>721010296There is a boss, the runback to him is a pain, the blowdart guys are assholes, getting rid of the maggots when you don't have your cocoon is a pain.
>>721010296it just has a long runback to the boss that has a gauntlet before it.
>>721010494>You can't know what is optional and what isn'tgame literally has a big fucking icon on the map and a quest journal entry telling you what you need to do. thats the only non optional shit
>>721010296>there's no bosslol
>>721010494>Zoomer literally describe exploration in videogames>that's why I hate exploration in THIS videogame >this videogame that's also a metroidvania What did he mean by this /v/?
>>721010296that's because you went there without double jump
>>721010546the runback is piss easy if you got the wreath.the only difficult part of that zone is the shit water that prevents healing.hell, even the boss isn't bad if you have the right items (boomerang/bombs). It's the adds that will kill you.
>>721009654Someone playing blind isn't going to know the area is optional. You unlock it after fighting Bell Beast so it makes sense to think that's where you need to go. It's also the area before you unlock dash/sprint, which helps a lot for evasion from that point on. Compared it to Hollow Knight, where you unlocked the dash in Greenpath. Not only was movement simpler, but Greenpath was a much easier area.
>>721010494Get your feet out of your mother's pussy before you start writing opinions online.
>>721009654>Can somebody explain why this area is such a massive filter?Tricky Ants + Pogo red thorn sections + Probably only got Hunter's Mark with diagonal down thrust, also funny bench.
>>721009654gamers hate paying attention to what the enemies are doing
>>721010630I've heard this thing before please stop being giga retarded. It's like telling the player that hey look you need to go to africa but you have no idea where the roads are and which leads to where
>>721009654It's not hard, it's just annoying as fuck.As far as you know, at that point in the game, it's not optional.You're just going into each area thinking it might be the key to progress. Nothing tells you otherwise.As for why it's annoying, there are no benches, the benches there are are trapped, which you have no way of knowing unless you get spoiled, and the parkour is mindnumbing. Especially with the default crestThe enemies also hit and tank the hardest compared to anything you'd meet at that point in the game.Any failure is all the more devastating because you need to walk the longest walk of shame every time, and it's not unlikely that in frustration you'll fuck up one of the parkours which require perfect inputs every time or the myriad flying enemies will fuck you up otherwise>you can just walk around it and come back later if you feel like itunless you look this up on the wiki, nothing suggests this to be the casethe game forces you to explore, then punishes you for exploring?
>>721010296havent you noticed you dont have a map for bilewater yet? did you notice some familiar rings on the walls in a certain place in bilewater?
>>721011449It doesn't punish you for exploring, it presents you with a challenge and expects you to build the skills to surmount that challenge or leave to gather enough gear that less skill is required.
>>721009654You have to be actually retarded to be filtered by hunter's march.
>>721011449I was going to type up a big thing about how you're complaining about having to explore in a metroidvania AND not being immediately rewarded for doing so (despite the fact you get both a tool and a crest). Then I remembered you need the wall hang to get in, and so it's after bellhome by which point it should be obscenely obvious the hunters' march is not necessary for progression (at least immediately).
>>721011449>As far as you know, at that point in the game, it's not optional.>You're just going into each area thinking it might be the key to progress. Nothing tells you otherwise.you are playing a metroidvania, zoomer.
>>721011447why did you decide to pick up a metroidvania in the first place if you dont like the core fucking concept
>>721011447>/v/ when no yellow paint
>>721012572Because I was told that it is le hard game and not a walking sim.
>>721010296>there's no boss
ATTENTION FUCK THE FLYING NIGGERS IN THE ARENA FIGHTTHAT IS ALL
>>721012856sounds like exploration is too hard for you
>>721009654I heard it's a starting area but couldn't find it??
>>721016057Yeah open world games are my greatest enemy. Can't stop thinking about how much time is being wasted, and how much better the experience would be if it was more compact format.
>>721016479>open world >metroidvania Embarrassingly childish knowledge of vidya
>>721016593It plays out like 2d open world if you stop to think about it and don't get stuck on the semantics.
>>721009654It's not. It's just a shitty trap bench meme and a meme boss with shitty summons, not even that hard, people just struggle with the fucking 4-5 hit slicing 2dmg bug the boss spawns (Better get used because pretty much every act 2 flying enemy is like that)
>>721016479>Yeah open world games are my greatest enemy.and despite knowing you dont like this you still bought the game
>>721010396The ant isn't even hard. You can just pull it back to the narrow corridor and it won't be able to jump anymore, so you can just walk up to him, attack until the obvious tell that he's going to swing the bone, and then walk back until he dies.
>>721010296>there's no bossYou don't even have access to the gigaAIDS half of the zone do you
>>721009876If you miss the dash in Deep Docks, you can think this is the only way forward, and even the place to obtain it given how pixels some jumps can be.
>>721009782You obviously only went there later. If you go there before dash it's probably one of the hardest platforming sections in the game. Bilewater is a complete joke in comparison. Half the jumps are doable with just a pogo so silkshot and double jump complete trivialize them.
>>721012572metroidvanias are typically better designed than shitshart
time to play a better Metroidvaina
>>721022672lol... they copied silks attack 1:1
>>721009654>>721009963>Autistic mentally-ill troon has never played real metroidvanias and doesn't understand the logic of people who have.In real metroidvanias, if you're not supposed to be in an area, you can't enter it. If an area requires a double jump, you can't enter it until you have a double jump.Hunter's March doesn't require anything to enter, which makes anyone with a functioning brain think that you should be able to do it as is.>This diagonal pogo on pixel-sized hitbox flowers is impossible, so I guess I'll just leave my corpse from dying to spikes, lose all my currency, and come back later, and when I have movement upgrades that I actually have no way of knowing exist unless I look up spoilers online.No, troon, literally no normal person thinks like that. What they think is:>This is an I Wanna Be The Boshy type of game for speedrunning troons, which the original Hollow Knight wasn't, and I'm not having fun, so I'm uninstalling.
>>721023842have u considered just coming back later if its too hard for you
>>721023842This is just embarassing
>>721009654The only difference between the average /v/tard and DarkSydePhil is anonymity.
>>721012146You dont need the wall hang to get into hunters march retardo
