what killed the hype
>>721011051the way the devs handled it in EA
>>721011051them taking 5 years after "release" to add deserter parties and basic features warband shipped with into the game, the game is incomplete but you are paying full price for it.
>>721011051lack of modding
>>721011051Lazy fuck Turks didn't finish it and it's still not finished
>>721011051warband is better in every way except graphically
>>721011051the release, game fucking sucked
You spend a decade expanding on an already great game like the original M&B, and people will go into the sequel viewing everything as a downgrade.It's The Sims effect. What, I can't take my vampire ghost baby on vacation to a tropical island and get a pet iguana for my robot butler in the new game? Trash.
>>721011051Most people have already spent the last decade playing this game.
no feasts
>>721011051Throwing the old factions into the trash instead of adding new ones200 years in EA and releasing it incomplete (Paradox style)Crafting system is SHIT!Modders not giving a shit anymore because even the smallest of updates breaks everything
>>721011051>No feasts>No promised multiplayer co-op campaign>Scrubbed their own early access updates and now pretend they never said that>Broken economy>Boring mid-game>Awful late game>Factions more unbalanced than warband>No harvesting season>No drinking from skulls>God awful companions>Dead multiplayer>No napoleonics>Pointless city stuff (alleys?)>Mod scene still on life support>No rhodoksAll it takes is a half-decent set of Devs to make a competitor to this and it'll kill taleworlds off.
>>721012187if it only took a half-decent set of devs it would be done alreadyit's almost as if making a game of this scale is a tremendous undertaking
>>721011051Native warband is a dogshit game, made great through its modding capabilities. This makes warband great.Native bannerlord is a dogshit game. The devs do not want people modding it. This results in bannerlord being dogshit.
>>721011051new factions I dont give a fuck aboutrework of the skill system that is largely worse then the original skill systemperks on skills that only affect NPCs like governersunfinished on release, took forever to come out of EA, basic features not working or not present on releaseskills like rougery and doing shit like controlling back alleys is completely fucking worthless and it honestly took me 50 hours to even know it was a thingmany kingdom policies/decisions didnt actually work or do anything on releasenever fixing or addressing core mid-game and late-game issues where it is impossible to manage things at a macro level. the devs dont actually play the game beyond the initial quest of walking around killing lootersmodding capabilites are abysmal
>>721011230>warbandWarband was just a remake of the original game that also took 5 years to add basic features. Game only started off with 2 factions.
>>721011342the Skyrim model
>>721014012yea but they should already have the tech and the skills to do it fast
games funyou're all retarded
>>721012187>No feastst. Haralus
Warband had few features but executed them in a satisfying and intuitive way. Bannerlord added a million new features but they're such shallow dogshit that half the time it'd be better to just not have to deal with them. The family system for example is fucking retarded, anyone who isn't a family leader is basically just a brainless mook with zero autonomy so building relationships with them or remembering their names means absolutely nothing.Under discussed issue is government funding though. As soon as the game is finished they lose their government funding, so they sabotage the game. Blatantly, objectively, they sabotage it. They padded the dev time by repeatedly redoing things they already made, they intentionally released things incomplete so they could work on them as glacially slow post launch releases, and 6 years later they still haven't given out the full modding tools and constantly release tiny micro updates that patch some one in a billion chance of a texture glitch or something and somehow break everyone's mods as a result. Mods were the lifeblood of Warband, but if Taleworlds steps back and lets modders actually fix their game it'll make everyone realize they're all lazy incompetent grifters.Also cancelling promised features and deleting the old dev blogs to pretend you never mentioned them is such a piece of shit move, fuck these people. Tons of people bought bannerlord for these specific features without knowing they backed out on them like cowards.
>>721011051game is fun but I think the weekly patches kept most away from seriously modding it, 1.3 looks like it'll be sick but expect another 3-4 months of weekly hotfixes screwing shit up. it was also difficult to get invested in a long campaign, which is when the game really starts, if every week your save is getting borked. The typical campaign feel of "at the mercy of dogshit AI RNG whether your side wins wars or not" is preserved from warband but definitely should've been improved upon, but makes it more rewarding when it does work out. Though I've long since switched to playing trve neutral caravaneer merchant lord (with a sledgehammer for taking loads of prisoners for even more money and hunting down bandits), running horses north, wood to the east, furs to the south, silks to the west etc which is very rewarding and fun in it's own way.
>>721011391>sieges
>>721014012People are so used to playing Warband with a bunch of mods that they've just forgotten how basic vanilla Mount & Blade is. Bannerlord has way more features than vanilla Warband.>>721015419>Warband had few features but executed them in a satisfying and intuitive wayWhen was the last time you played Warband without mods?
Also the early dark ages setting is fucking BORING, I HATE vikingslop and im thankful that era is over now, but its a relic of that lazy backwards time. I want to lead heroic knights to capture some magestic jewel of a city or elaborate hilltop fortress not 200 people living in mudhuts around a crumbling ruin. I'd have been fine with it being actual antiquity themed as well and leaning into cool roman stuff and persians and gauls and shit but they went for the terrible hideous boring middleground. Who cares about uniting Calradia if at the end you're still a bunch of dirty backwards retards living in a dark age.
>>721015887Its only been like 4 years, you're not going to magically rewire my brain with your dumbass cope I remember what it was like.
>>721016095>I remember what it was likeNo, you don't It's just impossible to play vanilla Warband after Bannerlord
>>721016009Wow, beautiful! Totally seems worth years of conquest and thousands of lives expended! I feel so rewarded and satisfied that this magestic metropolis is now under my control!
>>721016009lmao it has no vikings dude they are slavs and the dark ages is kino
>>721011051The game was released while still in early access
Remember when they promised designing your own castles and cities and customizing the interiors? Remember when they promised crusader kings esque interpersonal mechanics and said that these would mean you could play forever on the same save without getting bored and would still have stuff to do after conquering the whole map? I fucking remember.>>721016496The Sturgians were obviously meant to be a blend of vikings and slavs(with a more viking lean) before they decided to add nords, the devs have openly said this, they were supposed to be the ancestors of both the nords and the vaegirs. They're literally moving sturgian items and assets to the new faction and changing them to look more slavic now.
>>721016219No its not you fucking retard
>>721016345I dont want to fight for this shithole man. Even the empire cities look dirty and poorly maintained.
>>721017739Making it a prequel was kind of lame. I want plate armor and fancy stone castles.
>>721018023No one would have blamed them if they just did the normal fantasy "technology is frozen in time" shit with the prequel and just made it look the same.
>>721011051The best mod never came out
>People find way to have fun>Devs destroy it>"Why'd our game have no longevity?"Does it still average 3 fucking days to craft 2 swords counting having to rest on your ass in town doing dick shit?
>>721017739>shitholeBarbarian Kino
>>721018023play dark souls and shut the fuck up then
adding another "no feasts" but the general issue is a lack of SOVL
>>721019204needs more ways to roleplay in carlardia or whatever the name is. Claudia. The Land of Claudia.I need to be able to date my tomboy waifu the daugher of Rheagea or Rheagea herself. Hold her hand while I walk through the conquered land and the locals prize me as victor or throw stones at me in jealousy.
Is there a mod that starts you off with your own clan and kingdom already
>>721021282I don't remember names but there are a few. One lets you start as any lord, or ruler of any city/faction, 1 lets you start as a bandit leader, etc
>>721021193Best we can do is a lazy rng based "romance" where she goes "im not attracted to you but how much money do you have?" and then you never speak to her again after getting married.
>>721022174"hmmm i see you see things the same as me">everyone just save scums so they get the result they want
>>721022461>sorry you got the 1% random critical failure despite high stats and high relations thats a permanent irrecoverable failure we can never speak about this again ever :)Did they really expect anyone not to just savescum this bullshit? Its honestly impressive how they made literal romance so soulless, emotionless and unengaging.
>>721016009Blame TW's shit artists.
>>721018807Yeah, The smithing system is so bad, to engage with it completely sucks you out of the game. why make players grind? Just put a focus point requirement on the different tiers and remove energy, done.
>>721015535I think having the big dynamic siege battles diluted it from feeling like a struggle to breach and take the walls and turned it into TDM on a city themed map. Most of the fighting happens in the settlement rather than on the walls.
>>721011051Terrible multiplayer, at least the warhammer mod was fun until it becomes a pure grindfest.
Increasing the sizes of battle units to for example 20.000 is a possibility or would the engine never allow it even after tinkering with its code?This game needs bigger battles.
Who's played this new Beta patch?Is Stealth gay and retarded? I play Bannerlord for huge battles and not sneak around like a goober.
>>721011051i think they managed to catch enough people like me - never played warband so bannerlord is all i know, therefore they don't have to make it as feature complete as the previous entry. i've got a few hundred hours in bannerlord and zero in warbans, sorry boys
>>721011051The release.
>>721024501the game already struggles and taps out at around 1000-1200 units. if you wanted to do something like that you’d need to start abstracting single units as squads or groups of soldiers.
>>721024896You really think the engine can't have more than 2000 units at the same time? I would love for the developers to make it so.
>>721024501that would burn my CPU and GPU>>721023654i always cheat on the grindfest, just use console commands to add whatever you need. Late game kinda sux anyway.
>>721025295the engine is hardcapped at 2048 or whatever the first power of 2 after 2000 iskeep in mind horses also count to this cap
>>721024896Games can have tens of thousands of enemies but they need to be written a certain way (data oriented design), that's probably not how bannerlors was written if it tops out at 2000 on screen and requires a beefy PC to do it.But it's very achievable https://store.steampowered.com/app/1272320/Diplomacy_is_Not_an_Option/
>>721011051too many tiny pointless updates that ends up breaking every mod. mod authors get annoyed and stop modding the game.
>>721025295I played with some mods to adjust battle sizes and I know my beefy pc begins to struggle when theres much more than 1000 units total present. I could shove it higher but also having the game run decently is more preferable. I just think the way the game is programmed and handles everything it needs to it hits a functional upper limit of what it can do. if the devs were aiming for actual division level battles they might be able to but that enters the realm of real programmers needing to make creative design decisions to facilitate that and not third worlders trying to milk as much money from programming the game as possible. >>721025886yea I find this kinda stuff fascinating. there was recently a mod for rimworld trying to address the game lagging to shit during big raids by abstracting raiders into squads with one real pawn and other fakes filling in the gaps. creative solution to help reduce overhead when you spawn 500 raiders.
>>721025886bannerbots aren't geniuses or even good but they're still too complex to run thousands of with current year consumer hardware no matter how you write itunless maybe you rolled a custom engine specifically for the task.
console ports. I'm dead serious.
>>721015419>so building relationships with them or remembering their names means absolutely nothing.pretty much this. they thought adding a million NPCs with names for every town leader/business/villager would make it better, but it just swamps the world in meaningless shit. no, the guild master doesn't need the name "timurid the obstinate"; he can just be called the guild master so i can focus on the actual important npcs with names like lords and not have my brain overloaded.same with companions. procedural companions are just dogshit. feels like a mod implementation with how careless of an idea it is.
>>721011051Nothing. Played the 1.3 beta all week and its great. All the features work, all the bug fixing is genuine. I imagine 1.3 is the final update most people will play with, they seemed to have learned the lesson to just release one proper patch so modders and players can settle with it.
>>721027192I haven't tried it yet for the unfortunate reason that nothing in the patch was particularly interesting to me.But it does look like a genuinely good patch. I was pleasantly surprised.
>>721027461The spear change alone was what I wanted. And I can confirm after 2 hours of testing in custom battles they fix them. Absolutely obliterate cav, even low tier spearmen do well. And they work well in melee too just not against shields.
>>721028091I always had the opposite issue, I loved muh swadian knights and banner knights were always a real let down in bannerlord. Mostly because they felt really slow compared to contemporaries.
We're so fucking back
>>721014031Skyrim was actually praised when it released though, fucking no one was happy with bannerlords
Is this game finished yet
>>721028286>back to beta after fully releasingeunngh?? My knees... THEY'RE BENDING ON THEIR OWN???
>>721029964Do you not know what a beta patch is? You can go into the settings for the game on steam and download patches early to beta test them in some cases.
>>721029887No, they teased a major expansion with boats and the Nord faction in August.
