>As IP attorney Kirk Sigmon told PC Gamer last September, demonstrable prior art—meaning preexisting work resembling the invention described in a patent's claims—is bad news for patent holders, because it means they shouldn't have been granted the patent in the first place. Sigmon said that courts in Japan have a strong history of siding with patent lawsuit defendants who could present examples of prior art.>By presenting mods like Pocket Souls for Dark Souls 3, which allowed the player to capture enemies in a method resembling Nintendo's JP 2023-092953 patent claims, Pocketpair is hoping to demonstrate that Nintendo was granted a patent on ideas that had already been deployed in game design. If it's successful, it could render Nintendo's patent invalid.>According to Games Fray, however, Nintendo has argued in two separate pleadings that mods simply don't qualify as prior art, because they aren't real games.https://archive.is/EGH4C
>>721023227If mods aren’t real games then emulators aren’t real consoles and you can’t pirate nintendo games
>>721023227What is a game?
>>721023421A miserable little pile of secrets!
Those egotistical idiots! They're going to drag game mods into their little legal dispute and create legal precedent for them to be affected by copywrite and patent laws, too! They're lucky Nintendo's response is "they're not real, they don't count," because if they DID count, there'd be serious ramifications.
>>721024713hardly. and I'd still rather Nintendo get humbled.
>>721024713>copywriteWhy are tendies ESL?
>Nintendo defines "prior art" now
>>721023227That's the most pathetic shit I've ever heard, of course mods aren't real games.Imagine if someone modded GTA5 or SKyrim and then patented that mod. It would create an infinite amount of grifters patenting mods everywhere, from lewd mods to gameplay mods, to sword mods, etc.Nintendo is only grifting against Palworld and everyone knows it, but these idiots are trying to actually ruin games and mods entirely.
>>721024713yeah the serious legal precedent would be people couldn't lazily steal mod ideas to make games
>>721024713If mods aren't considered real games then what do we define as real in this instance? Does that mean mods using the likeness of Nintendo characters in other games are harmless because they're neither real nor used for monetary gain? Does that mean Gmod can have tendie stuff back?
that mod doesn't even use balls lmaoit's closer to the current iteration of palworld with your guys just spawning next to you
>>721025412What they mean is that they don't count as individual games themselves, they exist inside another game. This is because there are a shit ton of other laws that apply to actual games that don't apply to mods.
>>721023227>don't qualify as prior art, because they aren't real games.>games>artlmao
>>721023227>Judge, look! This random guy made a mod inside Dark Souls 3 five years ago, that means Nintendo can't patent it anymore.>Granted, the patent belongs to this random guy now, so Nintendo can't have it.>Random guy can now sue anyone he wants since he has the right to his patent.>Everyone on earth rushes to patent the mechanics from a mod they made as a joke 15 years ago.>A shit ton of legal battles start happening between companies and people or collection of people that made a mod as a group or just want to be annoying.>Games are infinitely delayed until the lawsuits are settled.>Developers now take even longer to make games because of fear of getting sued 5000 million times by random people every day.Thanks Palworld, I knew you always cared about gamers!
why don't they use one of the trillion Pokemon clone games
>>721023227Mods aren't games.
>>721023227>>By presenting mods like Pocket Souls for Dark Souls 3, which allowed the player to capture enemies in a method resembling Nintendo's JP 2023-092953 patent claims,based modders sticking it to shittendo>>because they aren't real games.as if. courts accept proofs of concept despite them not being full gamesthey're practically grasping at straws
>>721023227IP attorney Kirk Sigmon does not practice law in Japan.
>>721027579Japanese court system is not the American court system
Nintendo is evil and tendies are mentally ill
>>721027926yeah, american court system is more like this>>721027065
>>721027065>>Granted, the patent belongs to this random guy nowthat's not how it works you absolute braindead retard.>>Everyone on earth rushes to patent the mechanics from a mod they made as a joke 15 years ago.there's a window to do that you fucktardthere are also laws against NPEs (patent trolls)>>A shit ton of legal battles start happening between companiesgood. the patent system is shit. make it crash and burn>>Developers now take even longer to make games because of fear of getting sued 5000 million times by random people every day.that's already the case, hence the patent system is liquid DOGSHITwanna know how bad it is?>inventors are strongly discouraged from checking that their invention hasn't been patented yet because being aware exposes you to being sued for triple fucking damages>you can ask for declaratory judgment, but if things go south, you'll be facing a big fat countersuit for all your money>there are companies whose lifeblood is renewing patents over and over ad infinitum: patent stuff (drives away investments to competitors, dissuades competition)->enjoy 20 years of no competition->patent trickle of small improvements (competitors are extremely likely to violate these new patents should they enter the fray)->20 more years->etc.
>>721029009So what you're saying is that Palworld devs have no chance?
>>721029335prior art is prior art, patented or notyou lose. better luck next time
>>721023227I like nintendo, but I hope they get gaped over this. Any successful precedent against IP kikery is a win for the industry and creativity at large.
>>721029395>it's doesn't work like that!>it actually works like that!the sad state of palkeks
>>721029501I LIKED their games. They went to shit after the Wii era. Yes, the Wii was a gimmicky shit but it still had some soul and creativity in it.
>>721029395except that mod doesn't even work like thatyou use a summoning spell and your spawns on top of you, pretty much exactly like current palworldseems like kind of a dumb thing to bring up by them desu
I like some of the nintendo games, but holy shit they are the new EA of this era, absolute disgusting company
>>721027291>>721023403>>721023227Dota 2
>>721030814>least retarded tendiecuck
>>721023227>mods aren't real games>still went after the pokemon mod for palworldHmmm
how are you even allowed to patent mechanics that were used in games before
>>721035153How have patent offices not been sued to the ground for granting patents for stuff that has already been invented?captcha N SJWS
Bump
>>721023227>mods aren't real games
>>721035153mods are not games though
>>721035153Same reason why Monster Energy successfully made a bunch of games from high-profile companies change their names because the original titles had "Monster" in them, even though they clearly didn't fucking invent the word.
>>721024713literally blame sony.Nintendo only fucks with Palworld because they joined Sony. All the lawsuits only happened after Palworld formed a joined venture with Sony. And Japanese companies love their patents, Nintendo isnt the only one owning a million of them. They only make use of them if one of them pose a threat to the other. So Palworld, a promising pokemon clone, joining forces with eternal enemy sony? Yeah its patent time
>mods aren't real gamesLove to see how clueless and technologically inept japs are
>>721035153nintendo has a lot of money
>>721040708>literally blame sony.Don't think so, tendie ;)
>>721040708they went after palworld because it sold 16 million copies outside japan. if cassete beats sold that much, the same thing would happen. the issue is having a mon franchise selling the same as pokemon outside japan
So Gary's Mod and Dota 2 aren't legally games if Nintendo wins? Activision Blizzard must be salivating right about now
>>721025147Correction: IP attorneys do. Literally the lowest tier of all attorneys, they make their living blithely arguing that their client of the moment is the only one entitled to the most basic fucking things.
>>721041091What about Yokai Watch, Persona, etc. Those are way more successful franchises than fucking palworld. Ironically the game would already be completely forgotten if the lawsuit wasn't still happening reminding people that it exists. The franchise has 0 staying power.
>>721035394Sovereign immunity.
