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Open Beta

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2352620/Fellowship/
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Least obvious shill thread.
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>soulless cartoon WoW artstyle
nah
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>>721025437
>characters are ugly westoid looking wow clones
Pass make your game less disgusting to look at
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/v/ isnt good enough for m+
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>what if we took M+ autism but made it the entire game
I am honestly at a loss on trying to find something worse to spend your time on
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No white male character? NO THANKS.
Fuck you.
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>>721025724
mythic raiding
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>>721025674
>>721025724
Mythic+ was just a stolen idea from gw2. Like most of your content updates after 2012.
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>>721025437
looks fun gonna try it tomorrow if my friends want to
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>>721025724
not only that, they also copy some of the other worse stuff of wow.
like, how spellcaster dont use the staff to cast, they just have it on the back as an accesory, they just move around the hands to cast.
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>EAC
not a good start
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now it's 3k queue
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>installs arc
ugh
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Just in time to test my new naga and quelch my wow thirst until ascension coa and tauri legion release
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>>721028375
2300
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>>721025437
>Let's take one of the worst things that happened to WoW and make a whole game about it.
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>>721027938
All these years and I'm still mad about this
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dont care unless they add discount tauren to their discount wow
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>>721025437
why the fuck would limit character customization this much especially when there's fuck all for choice for different classes to begin with
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>M+ is... le bad!
>*sits on her Limsa bench all day waiting for her troon friend to log so she can start her public ERP session*
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>not a single white man
>Dwarf is black
>2 men out of 7 characters
I have a feeling this game isn't made for me.

Good luck, I guess. But I'm not interested.
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>>721025859
Except gw2 sucks
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>>721028830
1500...
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>>721025437
Troon game
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>>721025437
>no big titty tauren
hard pass
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Yeah, I'm not going to sit through this for a playtest.
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>>721029713
>>721029421
ARC Games did hire Sweet Baby Inc for previous games.
It makes sense they'd hire them again.
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>get rid of everything MMO to play just the dungeons
>keep the retarded gameplay mechanics instead of creating an actual combat system
Beyond retarded
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Explain to me why I should play this sloppa when Wayfinder already does the Co-Op, WoW-esque dungeon stuff BUT the character designs are 10000 times better with half naked women, monster men and an actual proper white male paladin.
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>>721029713
Ain't no fucking way that's real lmfao
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>>721030103
Based but it's missing monster women
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>>721029421
I'm so glad I'm not this weak and in need of representation.
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>>721030218
you tell em xister
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>Arc
Slimy chink mode activate
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>>721030103
that game is dead though
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>Arc Games
They worked with Sweet Baby Inc for years. It was "reported" they no longer work with them, but given the kinda slop they push out and how this game has 0 white men in it, I'm not inclined to believe that at all.

Buy an Ad next time, faggot
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Very good, 30 minutes in queue and the session expired at the end. Nice game.
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>>721029713
What a peculiar... fellow
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>>721029713
classic transvestite moment
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>>721025437
>no controller support, but a dev said they are really trying hard to get it implemented.

BASED
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>WoW Dungeons: The Game
>But with pre-set lame ass characters

Swing and a miss.
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>>721030693
timed out again
fuck that shit
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>>721025437
This is....hard to look at. Modern audience?
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>>721025437
I like m+ but I don't want to play a clone that has 10 different addon UI elemnts scattered across my screen.
I don't see people playing this when most people do m+ for gear and cosmetics, this is catering only to people chasing scores.
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>>721029713
>>721031320
oh.
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>>721025437
Just make a fucking fantasy PSO clone with plenty of character customization or fuck off.
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>>721031391
it's such a weird move because it's banking on attracting an extremely small group of players from WoW that don't care about how their character looks at all and just want to push challenging dungeon content but that's completely unsustainable from a large playerbase angle
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>>721031531
white man come home
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>>721031552
>small group
Did you stop playing during the Legion era?
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>>721031531
>PSO
sorry, did you say ERP dressup chatroom? sure, coming right up
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>>721031808
I don't see why it's so hard to do this and then also add good gameplay
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>>721031660
Number of people who push keys is extremely small, most just do enough for the easy weekly, up to easy 3k at most

More importantly people who push keys AND raid or pvp will stay with WoW because theyre already playing WoW for the other modes too
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>>721031391
Wtf are you saying
It's just a movable standard ui
You can make it look like default wow ui if u want
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>>721032084
ok
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>>721031608
hope he finishes it
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>>721032880
These are not key pushers
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>>721030103
Game would have been good with a traditional leveling system. Max level being 30 with souless warframe mods is the dumbest thing. Should have been based on PSO episode 1 and 2 with grindy slow leveling and gear that is rare that can change things up. PSO was the first of its kind and still the best apparently.
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>>721025724
M+ is the only reason to play wow now.
Raids are just weak aura checks.
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>>721032880
You mean these?
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>>721033887
>tranny mode is the only reason to play wow
can't wait till you kys
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>>721035385
m+ is straightcoded
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>>721030103
last time I checked in on wayfinder the devs were still working on their editor, which sounded quite nice, but this long after the game is out no one really cares anymore unless they release it together with some dlc or something.
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>>721025724
why does /v/ hate mythic+? I've never played wow so I cant speak to the quality but a system to add challenge to dungeons and the ability to give smaller groups an end game system to play seems like a good idea on paper.
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>>721030586
is not a mmo anon, you can play it solo or with some friends.
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>>721037152
M+ requires knowledge about the game and skill, the average player can't even reach +10 without struggling and getting shit-talked for playing like shit.
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>open launcher
>click play
>closes and nothing happens
bleh
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>>721037152
Only game mode where the addons don't play it for you.
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>>721037152
Imagine speedrunning expect it's 5 guys doing it at the same time and one guy fucking it up ruins it for everyone.
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>>721025437
Gameplay looks very oldschool and not necessarily in a good way. I'd be willing to try it but the art style they went with isn't doing it any favors. It looks so unappealing for a game that on paper has all the things I'd want in a co-op dungeon crawler.
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>>721033887
I solo tier 11 delves and gear my characters in Heroic gear and crafted weapons. I don't do M+, I don't raid, I don't even do LFR.
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>>721038074
I'd probably play it too since the concept is appealing but the lack of custom characters and barebones options for classes makes it dead on arrival for me
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>>721025437
Looks gay
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>>721025437
Faggot artstyle
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>>721029713
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>>721029713
They didn't have to copy THAT part from blizzard too.
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Looks fine. Is it any good for anyone that playtest it?
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>>721041265
You can't really play it right now, constant crashes and multiple-thousand player queues are pretty much fucking it all up
You also have to re-queue if you crash/DC
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>>721029713
he even put on his grandma's best dress for the occasion lmao
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>>721025437
>What if wowa but just the infinitely scaling rdf

huh
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>>721039275
BVSED DELVEBVLL
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HOLY SHIT, /v/
COME PLAY WoW
COME HOME, WHITE MAN
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>>721025437
>makes wow players seethe
kek
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Looks like mobile shit. $25? Shove it up your bussy, faggot OP.
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You actually can't create your character? who the fuck made a dumb decision like that?
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>>721042882
You VILL play what this tranny wants to, chud. >>721029713
There's only 2 male characters by the way. The tanks are female and niggers. GG
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>>721042578
Where's the price?
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>>721025437
>hero based
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>>721025547
Opened this thread cause it looked like WoW.
Watched the gameplay on the store page, this looks like absolute garbage.
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>>721027938
>like, how spellcaster dont use the staff to cast, they just have it on the back as an accesory, they just move around the hands to cast.
I hate this so fucking much. Its so stupid.
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down syndrome game
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>>721037152
its annoying because always without fail there are some dungeons that are completely fucking miserable to run because something in it is overtuned. Plus timers are sometimes so tight that even a few deaths will just brick the key. But people don't even wait for that, if they have one death they auto leave and your key is bricked. They need to LYNCH these key leavers and fucking spank them for that shit seriously
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>>721037152
Every complaint I see about mplussy is people
>declined from group because non-meta spec
>declined from group because you're not massively outgeared
>leavers
>die once, vote to abandon
>asspulling
>tank holding the key hostage
>male night/blood elf from azralon/quel'thalas/ragnaros
Sucks for them I suppose. DelveDEITIES don't have to deal with these issues
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>>721025437
So is any of this playable at 2 players?
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>>721029713
What the fuck? Honestly how can you work with a guy like that and look at him with a straight face? He looks fucking ridiculous, wearing a dress but so lazy he couldn't be bothered to shave his beard.
What an attention seeking twat.
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>>721043336
That trailer looks terrible. It would be better marketing if it was just some unedited playthrough of a dungeon played by the devs
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>>721030103
i don't think anyone is going to defend this game
enjoy playing wayfinder i guess
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>>721044383
>What an attention seeking twat.
You sound insecure
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>>721044590
Take the dress off and put on some proper clothes you silly cunt and have a shave you look half-way like a Muslim convert and a tit.
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>>721029506
So what's the problem? WoW sucks and this game's stealing from it the same way
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>>721029713
You guys make sure not to financially support these people's games, right? They hate you and want to see you and your entire family dead.
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>>721030103
>half naked women, monster men
Are there half-naked monster women, too?
Your answer determines whether or not I look into this game.
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>>721044590
I cant wait until youre all annihilated
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>>721045180
Correct, I only support games that are either politically aligned with me or politically neutral. I prefer politically neutral as then their focus is only on the game.
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>>721025437
>Fellowship is a multiplayer
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>>721029713
that's just a crossdresser though? if he was on hromone she woulnd'T have such a beard growth.Even weirder since crossdressing is 100% a fetish thing, like going to work with a buttplug or worn panties on your head.
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it looks exactly like wow
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>>721046476
worse, it looks like tryhard hardcore raider modded wow, there is no way this game will surive past 6 months, no one likes this ultra competitive autism shit, except ultra autists and they are playing wow
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These clowns managed to make a game where dps is the most boring role. Healer is the most popular role because its the only one that actually does anything beyond interrupts.
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I played this during a closed beta months ago, possibly last year? I forget, honestly. It had issues and some jank but it was really fun overall just...doing dungeons instead of all the MMO Levelling fluff bullshit. Only having like 6 hero options kinda sucked, the matchmaking had issues sometimes and occasional bugs fucked things up. Overall enjoyed it though.

Already off to a bad start with this open beta though...not even the queue, which is expected because so many faggots want free games let alone Mythic+/WoW dungeons, but anti-virus alerts on install, it force-installs ARC Launcher(it didn't do that during closed betas), and if I see there's no new heroes when I get past the login queue in a few minutes, I'm gonna be pretty pissed and wonder what the actual fuck they've been doing since I last played. There were supposed to be like 20-30 heroes I remember reading, and I want to try something new.
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>>721048659
Update, got in, still no new classes. What the everloving fuck have they been doing for months?
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>>721025437
>That armour design
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>>721025437
Hmm, sounds kinda interesting
I'm sure /v/ will hate it
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>some trannies got together to make a whole fucking game based around B O B B Y K O T I C K ' S M A Z E

kek wtf

total M+ death
kill them all
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>>721049020
Try out dresses
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>>721025437
I actually played the previous beta.
It's sorta meh. You don't really see a difference between difficulties until you hit like very high levels, the customization, both visually and mechanically, is gonna be a big point of contention too and overall it feels somewhat uninspired. I get that it's meant to be exclusively the wow group mythic something thing but if it's going to rip off like 5% of everything another game offers, there'd better be 5 times more content in that small ecosystem. And with how the game is set at the moment, I don't see that happening.
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what is even the progression like? doing m+ with no reward is kinda retarded
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>>721050343
You unlock new talents/passives for the character you're playing in addition to different ultimates. You also get gear but I'm not sure how much that actually matters aside from some soulless item level chase, because its not like gear seems to have any interesting interactions with your character's abilities.
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>>721025437
>Retail WoW raiding simulator
Why would I play this when retail exists?
You just took the worst parts of WoW and made them into a game.
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>here's your game designer
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>>721051218
name one wrong thing with this
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>>721051289
name one right thing
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>>721052245
One of his testicles.
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>>721052245
the horses are cute
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>>721029713
Kekaroooo
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>>721029713
>>721051218
>can see him going full bardmode
>instead opts to troon out instead
Shitty m+ authism aside the main problem i see with this game are the trash sweetbaby tier character designs.
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>>721029713
It's a damn cult man
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>>721052442
he looked like a normal attractive guy up to one year ago
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wasnt there some study going on about the internet spreading mental disorders or some shit. Im starting to think thats real.
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>>721029713
how do these people even get hired?
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>>721052749
You don't need a study, it's common sense
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>>721051289
Troons are unironically hot and interesting but not those boundary pushing ones
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>>721052660
i bet a girl got him to go full trans
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>>721052912
google his name and you'll find his linkedin with a lot of supportive comments from female names so that's most likely it
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>>721051218
Why doesn't he shave the fucking beard?
Why don't they even try to pass anymore?
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>>721025437
Is it true you can only play as premade characters, and not as any race/class combo?
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>>721052886
Youre just as mentally deranged as they are
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>>721025437
World of Warcraft and its consequences were a disaster for the games industry
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>>721029713
how can someone who looks like this be trusted to DESIGN a game? What an utter lack of self awareness
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>>721046476
wow they even intentionally modeled the ugly third-party addons
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>>721037152
Because it gets instantly populated by sweats who will shout at you for not playing with 120% efficiency like they are (they're not) and you're dragging the team down goddamnit and they have to carry your ass and WHATTHEFUCKAREYOUEVEN DOING DPS HIGHER HEAL ME HEALER GODDAMNIT DO I HAVE TO DO EVERYTHING MYSELFFUCKYOUI'M LEAVING - the game.
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I miss when wow had that RPG feeling to it...
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>>721025437
>heroslop
Dropped like a hot potato
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>>721030103
>played this for an hour or so with my brother thinking it's going to be co-op kino on the level of Darksiders Genesis
>it's incredibly easy and fairly boring
>lots of parts scream "this was a failed mmo hastily hacked back into a co-op/singleplayer game"
>haven't touched it since
I really wish I could fire it back up again but just thinking about redownloading it for the possibility of it getting better 1-12 hours later is a massive turnoff
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>>721025437
>Forced coop
>No single player

Into the trash
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>>721029713
He's just wearing female clothing. It's not a big deal, I've done it before.
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>>721057364
Lmao this is exactly why MMOs and co-op games just rot the second they become "meta-ized." You go in thinking you're gonna chill, maybe do some basic DPS rotation, enjoy the vibe-then suddenly you're in boot camp getting screamed at by some guy named xX_Doomslayer420_Xx who thinks a +3% crit chance means you're trash for not respeccing. It's like trying to casually play basketball and someone brings a whiteboard and yelling drills.
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>>721056185
Yeah it's so fucking dumb. Probably a game design pushed by that tranny, because xhe knows everyone would make the standard white male character if they were given the choice.
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>>721030929
WoW doesn't have customization either though.
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>Worst of WoW's visual design language
>Worst content in WoW to begin with as the only focus of the game
>literally copies 2004 WoW artstyle and animations because only retarded WoWfags would play this shit anyway
>the UI from the meme
EoS in 1 week
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>>721030929
Character customization is a massive waste of money. More multiplayer games should get rid of it.
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>>721027938
>>721028983
>>721043420
>how spellcaster dont use the staff to cast, they just have it on the back as an accesory, they just move around the hands to cast
Wielding spells is 1000x cooler than waving a stick around, gtfo back to harry potter shit.
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>both tanks are girls
>70% of the cast are girls
Don't tell me this is going to be their whole launch roster.
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Is this a good game to healslut in?
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>>721059480
>you may hold ze fireball as it sets your whole arm on fire
>you may, however, not touch any other source of fire, not even step on it
>that's death
Sure is cool, jan. Also, retarded.
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>>721058934
I think you may be reading too much in general developer laziness to minimize effort spent on modeling shit when they clearly have no skills.
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Questing in MMOs was always a meme and is one of the biggest reasons the genre died
>just solo for 100+ hours lol and then you can play proper group content
No thanks
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>>721060751
>he quested solo
lol fag
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>>721060751
>he didn't have friends
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>>721060751
I agree, questing is some outdated garbage design
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>>721059880
make them girls and sell skimpy outfits for cash? or maybe that crossdressing game designer just wants to have his character wear pretty dresses.
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>>721025437
>holy trinity
>night elf knock off
>"mmorpg" aka slop
no thanks
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>>721058934
Actually dropped based on this alone
If I can't play a femworgen or something analogous to it, I'm not gonna fucking bother. Literally a downgrade
Back to waiting for tauri Legion, I suppose
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>>721046398
>like going to work with worn panties on your head.
based employee of the year
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I don't understand why they thought it was a good idea to make it only premade characters, with a very limited pool, instead of giving people some degree of customization
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it's shit
it's actually so ass
>muh holy trinity
>literally nothing to do besides shitty WoW dungeons
>button mashing DPS gameplay

at least Blizzard had the decency to recognize how shit their game is they decided to put a one button macro
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>>721061194
>>721060363
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>elvui style UI
Soulless
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>>721025859
/v/ isn't good enough for whatever m+ is called in gw2 neither.
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>>721025724
Didnt this already happen with Wildstar??
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>>721029713
Well, any speck of interest that I could possibly have in the game is now gone.
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>game is called Fellowship
>supposed to invoke feelings and association with Lord of the Rings, that Fellowship
>>>>game is actually LoL/WoW art vomit ft. WoW 'gameplay'

honestly this is a bit insulting to people who thought it'd be more Tolkien inspired
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>>721059009
Transmogs are are thing though?
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>>721025724
Unironically a good thing
MMOs should never had M+ and endgame focus
Dungeons and raids were supposed to be narrative tools, but it was all ruined by autists that just want to only play dungeons and paid a lot for number go up experience of running same dungeon for months
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the entire concept of this game makes no sense. even if you think dungeons are the best part of WoW, they only work because they're not the only thing to do in the game. nothing in any MMO is good enough to be considered a game on its own
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>>721059009
... What? Are you retarded?
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>>721062831
No developer understands this concept because they themselves never actually engaged with the games they are copying, they just vaguely tampered with the subject matter at some point then decided to exploit a word of mouth popularity.
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>>721037152
>no queue, have to apply constantly
>Rating too low/RaiderIO says you have no experience
>fuckass LATAM players
>OCE shitting up the key
>dungeon has a fuckload of mob% you have to kill
>Overtuned specs only ever get invited
>Valorstone & Crestcap disincentivize you from farming M+
>no incentive to do any keys higher than 10 anwyay because gear caps out at heroic
>Weekly vault picks items from the entire dungeon pool of that season, not from just the dungeons you did
>some dungeons have an exacerbated loot pool
>dungeon routing is hyperautistic and entirely dependant on the tank
>because it's very inaccessible, there is already a massive lack of tanks
Honestly there are very little alternatives to gearing. Heroic raids are shit, Delvin' Melvins cope and sneed but get 0 gear from their shitty one-man-dungeons... and Mythic raiding still having the 20 man hard requirement means that most guild these days can't get into mythic raiding without constantly pugging.
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>MMO is supposed to be about exploring a BBW (Big Beautiful World) while doing quest and dungeons or grinding or whatever
>Take all that away
Also the fact that it's styled after M+ so it's not a crawl as much as a sprint to beat the clock.
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I kind of like it and I haven't played WoW for years.
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Okay I take back what I said, this is soulless slop
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>go take a piss
>kicked due to inactivity
>3000 people que
>alt + f4
Who the fuck thought THREE MINUTES is an acceptable inactivity period?
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>>721059880
No. A CM that was on a stream said they hope to launch with 9 heroes, possibly 10.
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>>721062831
You don't understand the mentality of M+ people. They WANT to push keys all day every day. Everything else is an annoying distraction.
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>>721025859
>Mythic+ was just a stolen idea from gw2
I believe it. Guildies tried to get me to do fractals, felt like a super retard and just wanted to go back to wvw. I miss my big zerg fights so much bros. I miss my maguumabros too
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>>721064174
Forgot to add this is a problem. They are targeting M+ sweats and eventually the game will only be for them. Casual players will be left in the dust.
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>>721052318
Kek, you got me. Have a (you)
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>>721029506
GW2 unironically has better combat and gameplay than WoW.

Now the game itself rarely takes advantage of it but it's still better.
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>>721064330
wrong, GW2 movement is floaty and bad, and entire gameplay is 1234512345 while a buff bot keeps quickness and other buffs on.
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>>721064607
WoW niggers are so retarded
they complain about other MMOs and claim WoW has the best "movement" and "feel" for combat
meanwhile they implement THIS
also GW2 has jump puzzles and mounts (that are the best), WoW fucking doesn't
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>be in que for 45 minutes
>in that time position goes from 3000 to 1900
>request timed out
what the fuck are these swedish trannies doing?
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>>721064174
I just want to do m10 with my full stack while talking smack to my friends :(
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>>721025437
I wouldn't mind to play it, but visually it's looks very bland. I can't imagine myself to play as any of the characters in this game.
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>>721064607
>calls GW2 movement floaty
>plays WoW
Uh huh... WoW has the floatiest movement I've ever experienced.
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>>721064607
>entire gameplay is 1234512345
that sure sounds a lot worse than wow's 111111112111111112111111112
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>>721064950
WoW is universally recognized as being the single greatest feeling MMO ever and justifiably so.

>>721064995
WoW has never been like that except for a short period, if you were playing a Mage, where everything was immune to fire and only had frostbolt.
At this point playing WoW optimally especially in endgame content is pretty much playing a twitch shooter.

I've played literally all MMO, have thousands of hours in GW, GW2, FFXIV and WoW among others, so your lies and your bullshit have to substance to me.
GW2 is a bad game, a bad sequel, and Anet ruined the game by stripping it of all content and features that made it fun to play on release.
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>>721064995
Didn't you hear? There's the one button assistant now, so it's just 11111111111111111111111111111111111111
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>>721064759
I don't get this, can't you just do this with macros? I remember in wrath ret and prot pala could easily do 1 button rotations
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I keep having to alt-f4 due to infinite loading screens
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>>721065123
>never been like that
It literally is now because the core audience was too stupid to handle dumbed down rotations and to chew bubble gum at the same time lmao
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>>721025437
>fuck it
>opt in
>about to download it
>check page again for details
>kernel level anti cheat
Fuck off.
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>all of the tedium of """""hardcore""""" dungeon grinding
>without any of the fun of exploring a big, fleshed out world filled with other players
brainrot
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>>721065123
If you have ever played these games and at any point you would rank WoW above anything other than FFXIV, then you are just simply fundamentally lobotomized.
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>>721058934
I remember some Korean mmos did the same, I played one years ago that looked like Diablo and paladin class was designated only for female elf.
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>>721065123
>WoW is universally recognized as being the single greatest feeling MMO ever and justifiably so.
PFFFFttt by WoWfags maybe LMAO
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>>721065123
WoWfag everyone
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This is literally just worse Tarisland
If you fags let based Tarisland die then you better let this shit die too
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>>721029713
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so let me get this straight...there is no world exploration, there is no character creation, gear doesn't affect visuals, there is no character growth outside of gearing...so it basically has none of the good things about an MMORPG and only all of the bullshit? LMFAO
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>>721025437
might as well play real friendslop instead of vibecoded m+ game idea
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>>721030103
I had a good time with wayfinder, but couldn't get my old group into it. I'll try with the new game again.
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>>721065464
no open world exploration, no quests, no economy, no trading, no characters of your own

it took out the MMO and RPG out of MMORPG and just gave WoWslop "end game", slapping itself with Tolkien's Fellowship as a title
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>>721065220
the only one I'd put above WoW is GW1, and early Tera might have been almost as good if it wasn't ruined.
XIV is WoW but bad and boring, and GW2 is just a shit skinner box.
Also still no GvG.
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>>721065747
>111111111111111111111111111
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>>721065123
>WoW has never been like that except when it has been
lmaoing at your life
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>>721065971
yeah for a period of like 6 months 20 years ago and only for a specific class, I mean warlock was kind of fucked up as well because debuff cap but overall this wasn't even the experience for 80% of classes even when the game was at its most barebone.
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>>721065697
makes sense that it was designed by a troon. troons, being hyper-liberals, can't create. they can only destroy or repurpose. the troon simply has a gross misunderstanding of what makes WoW and other MMOs good, just like they have a gross misunderstanding of how biology and attraction works.
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>>721025437
I'm having a blast!
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>>721066048
It is like that right now, no matter how much you cope
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>>721037152
wow players are braindead troons who don't even read patch notes yet act like they're top 3 MDI runners
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>>721025437
mmorpg titans can barely shit out enough dungeons per expansion and these indie shits think they can make a whole game based on just that?
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What classes are in the game? Seems a bit retarded that they have a specific hero for every class. Now they have to add a billion visually distinct armour pieces per character, instead of having overlapping ones.
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>>721066253
I wish but it's really not, some classes are like 100 apm at this and none of them involve doing 1-2 over and over
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>>721066434
there's girlboss, girlboss, sneaky girlboss, frost girlboss, furry girlboss, fat midget and fire mage
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>>721066434
is this a dungeon siege mod ?
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>>721066495
my interest is mildly piqued depending if i can also make them all niggers
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>>721025437
>Endless queue to get into the game
>Just to get into another queue to get into a dungeon
>Dungeon is filled with boring trash mobs that just take quite a while to kill
>Skills have no feeling of impact, just feels like busywork spamming buttons
>Game gets stuck in loading screen
>Repeat from step 1
I was moderately looking forward for this, but I can't say I'm impressed
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Is it just me or is this thread just about few wowfags who are upset about this game
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>>721066551
I mean at this point just get WoW and farm M+ for a couple weeks until you have nothing else to do, it'll probably be a better experience
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>>721066543
yea the first girlboss and fat midget are niggers, fire mage is some kind of a sandnigger / kebab person
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>>721066585
nu-wow is shit, this game is a slice of that shit
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>>721066540
No it's an old Russian game called Evil Islands. It's a tactical coop RPG with real-time combat. Pretty cool back then.
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>>721066585
I think most people are asking behind the rationale of taking WoW's M+, making it into a standalone game, and also limiting player characters to premade ones without customization.
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>>721066593
I don't want to pay a sub and I don't want to do all the bullshit extra shit to get into the dungeons though
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>>721066495
>>721066621
>somehow even more pozzed than nu-wow
G R I M
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>>721066585
No one is actually upset
It's clearly not going to be successful
We're just using this as a good opportunity to discuss the dismal state of the mmo genre
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>>721066484
There's literally one button assistant in the game, meaning you press one button for your rotation. I use it in 10+ and still top damage with assa.
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>>721066660
you're in luck, you can purchase, for the el cheapo price of $60, a character boost to get you straight into the action
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>>721044590
I dunno, the guy pretending to be something he isn't because he can't accept who he is and goes out of his way to put on shitty make-up and a 100 year old dress for work seems way more insecure than most men I ever met.
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>>721066593
>giving money to pozzard
shan't
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>>721066675
that's a separate thing - and it also shows how bad people are at playing the game
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>>721046476
>>721057173
What a terrible fucking decision. WoW player are constanly shitting on the box designs these add-ons have. Completely soulless.
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>>721066762
>refusing to finance Satya Nadela's palace in Mumbai
that's extremely racist saar-ji, I expect better from you.
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>>721066660
Ima level wichu bro. You pick a class, open up a guide, you get to max level in less than a day. Don't gotta even quest, just spam dungeons. Then you ready to raid, delve, m+, what ever
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>>721046476
>addonslop UI
jesus christ shitposters weren't kidding when they say wowfags never play any other videogames
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>>721066828
>giving money to activision shitshart
nigger what the fuck are you doing
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>>721066763
>separate thing
It's quite literally advertized go you on the general skill page, as it's part of the core experience
>because people are bad
Doesn't change a thing.
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>fire mage spender is snapping your fingers
sassy
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>>721066895
Not being poor like you homie LMAOOOOOO KWAB
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>>721066909
except it's not the same criticism as saying the game is 121212, the one button does your rotation for you, while no rotation in the game is 121212, unlike GW2 that is literally just press whatever button is not on cooldown even at very high level.
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>>721025437
pretty sure the devs don't want straight white men to play their games considering how they purpesfully excluded that demorpathic in making their characters despite stealing white male archetypes
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>>721067071
MMO players only make female characters. not a genre where straight white men are welcome.
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>>721049539
Bobby Kotick's N'zoth vision maze was even worse because you had to do a week's worth of dailies just to get another attempt at it. They never ever had M+ keys fully deplete to the point where you couldn't keep grinding them, but they should have.
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So

WoW
>pay $90 to get the expansion
>pay $60 for character level boost
>pay $15 monthly sub
>just play M+ which is limited to 8 dungeons that are currently in rotation
Fellowship
>pay like $20 once

Right?
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>>721067283
We have to make unironic WoW clones for when the military shuts down Battle .net during WW3
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>>721067283
or
> Play a variety of infintly better games instead
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>>721067283
don't forget the premium edition to have "exploit early exploit often" access to the expansion before all the beneficial bugs/exploits are fixed and of course the $90 shop mount tip
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>>721067025
My top damage rotation is literally 11111111111111111. Next cope please.
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>>721067283
>He thinks this won't be a p2w trash wish cosmetics on top.
Oh you funny.
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>>721067283
I mean at least with WoW you get more than just dungeon grinding but yes that's the gist of it
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>>721067394
tell me your class and I'll tell you why you're a liar
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>>721067359
>expecting a crack addict to simply just stop consuming crack
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>>721046476
i have no soul and i must scream
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>>721067440
Not that anon but any class + one button assist/rotation
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So what's the gameplay like, and how is the game overall? Not interested in jaded niggers getting triggered by purple hair.
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>>721067440
Holy shit you're dense even for a cultist. I said assa, as in assassination. I'll let you figure out the class on your own.
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>>721067591
it's tabtarget click the shiny button slop
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>>721067498
even if you use the 1 button rotation you have to press all your CD manually, so it's at least 3 buttons, checkmate
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>>721067591
tab targeting GCD based wowclone
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>>721029713
bro looks like an One Piece character
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>>721029713
damn it really is just a tit for tat wow clone, even down to the troon developers
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>>721067631
>loh is part of your rotation bro
Smartestw mazerat
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>>721025437
>Hey look guys we made the worst part about wow into an entire game and the characters are niggers
ah
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Is it true tanks are locked to female characters?
Whi designed this ahit?
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>>721068103
Me (only plays female characters)
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I'm surprised that there are not more indie devs picking up the formula or creating offline/peer2peer MMO games. Wayfinder was quite nice.
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>>721068103
mmotroons who only play female characters
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>>721051218
What happened to him
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>>721062798
This is a trvke
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>>721068103
>Whi designed this ahit?
see >>721029713
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>>721025437
>entire game around worst part of current wow
lol lmao
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>>721068101
>>721068169
So what's the best part about wow that can be turned into a game?
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>>721064759
>WoW
>Good movement and combat
kek'd
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>>721068197
the feeling you get when you end your subscription and uninstall
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>>721068197
vanilla alterac valley
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>>721068197
Nothing? The game has been a pool of liquid steaming diarrhea for years, the best part would be its EOS
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>>721068169
WoW sucks because of m+?
Is that why people quit the game?
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>>721068197
ERP
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>>721029713
What the fuck is that
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>>721068260
Trying too hard to fit in bro
Maybe one day you'll have real opinions
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>>721068275
yes, sweats ruined it with their autism
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>>721068415
Why they don't remove it then?
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>>721044383
turns out the threat of being fired, blacklisted, and possibly harassed beyond the workplace by his equally ghoulish transvestite friends does a good job in aiding the supression of your genuine thoughts and feelings about said ghoulish transvestites
no one humors the delusions of these sodomites willingly, they do it under severe duress
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>>721068275
yes, if you ignore the greedy practices, the leftist propaganda, the capeshit storyline, and i'm sure there's more to complain about
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>>721067149
nobody plays as a gorllia dyke wearing male armor
people only wanna play as coomerbait
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>>721068197
milking money from shit tastes
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>>721068542
?
plenty of people play female orcs
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>>721068373
I was playing this fucking dogshit game before you were born tranny
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>>721068275
That is an immense factor, yes
Would people have quit anyways for anyo other of the valid reasons why the game is fucking dogshit? Very likely, but the biggest one as it is was M+
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Only on this site I see people whining about M+, what's the problem with it? wow was way too much funneled into raiding before that, M+ offered HL content variation
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>>721066303
>Transvokers getting absolutely cucked
Deserved.
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>>721068597
i don't think someone who played wow for the better part of two decades gets to call anyone a troon, troon
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>>721046476
I am the target audience for this and I will drag all my friends by their legs, kicking and screaming, to get a party going.
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>>721068715
wow quests dont exist
world exploration doesnt matter
M+ is shit, the "game" is facerolling or one button rotation your way into pug groups and people still somehow dying in kotick's magic labrynth
oh and then you can only do it once a week because lmao LMAO nice time gated progress!!
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>>721068863
I pray one of your friends bashes your skull in to put you out of your misery.
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>>721068450
Because they would lose the revenue stream of the schizo autists who grind the same dungeons over and over for months on end, and also because it's their sorry excuse for content as their current team is unable to produce an expansion that is not limited to the same pattern, 4 major zones, then one smaller zone with daily quests per patch.
The seasonal model is also an issue as it obsoletizes the previous content to the point that running entry level content in 11.2 gives you better gear than doing the 11.1 endgame content as soon as the patch drops.
Compare it to The Burning Crusade :
>zone and hub based narratives instead of one linear questline and some sidequests
>all the zones were released day 1
>Heroic dungeons had a lockout so it was impossible to grind it
>someone reaching level 70 would have had to go through the entire content stream (Kara - Gruul - Mag + Zul Aman when released > Tempest Keep and SSC > BT and Hyjal > Sunwell) with catch-up gear being available from vendors with currency you got by doing hero dungeons and raids.
>no timegated core content
Yet TBC had higher player retention than TWW, because all the content was always relevant, unless you were completely done with it but there was always a challenge for you, and PvP was actually functional and engaging, both BG and Arena.
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>>721068597
Still trying too hard lil bro
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>>721068863
"friends" like you are the reason show as offline exists
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>>721068275
No, I quit because WoW tokens made it p2w. Everything else was secondary.
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>>721068770
I havent played it in 7 years trannoid
I quit when the creatures like you started pouring in
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>>721068924
>>721068998
You're just jelly I'm enjoying games.
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>>721068870
Nothing you said is true you schizophrenic
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>>721069010
and yet the game still lives in your head rent free
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>>721068870
>you can only do it once a week
we're talking about M+ which are NOT timegated, unlike raids, are you retarded?
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>>721069131
the weekly vault is where the actual good loot is though
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>>721069174
they literally turned the loot system into a gatcha with the vault and it's fucking retarded lmao
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>>721069174
weekly vault is not M+, raids also give vault
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>>721068963
Tbc did not have higher retention
https://www.vg247.com/only-30-of-new-wow-players-continue-after-level-10-says-blizzard
Tbc had a higher influx of new players, nothing more
>no timegating
Raid and dungeons lockouts are literally timegating
>all zones released day 1
Do you just not know about IoQD and the sunwell?
Tbc never offered a challenge, it was all mindless pigslop as has been repeatedly proven in classic
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>>721069289
>rng means gacha
So I guess vanilla wow is a gacha?
Or is it different when retarded niggers kn 2004 do it
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>>721069068
How does it live in my head rent free when someone literally made a post about it tranny boy
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>>721068197
>that can be turned into a game?
everything can be turned into a game but it won't be profitable
some of the best times i ever had in WoW were running dungeons like BRD with friends as a noob but m+ does not capture that feeling at all
you could make an online dungeon crawler but i doubt you'd be able to see mass market appeal so who would fund it?
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I got semi interested from the premise but then looking at the dev stream gameplay it looks like nu-wow where tanks have infinite threat and zerg pulling 20 mobs while dps spam aoe
The artstyle is pastel smeared bullshit, the UI is lil timmy badly configured first raid frame addons and the menu corners look straight ripped out of league of legend.

I don't know why I was expecting some gameplay type like vanilla dungeon design like BRD
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Has anyone tried out the game yet? All I see is vapid baby rage.
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>>721037152
shit sweatlord system that promotes antisocial behavior
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>>721069541
Gameplay in brd is spamming aoe though?
And aggro is a dogshit mechanic you should blow your brains out for encouraging it
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>>721069541
>Its fucking dogshit and I was expecting cow shit
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the game literally has NO SOUL
nothing is original
>artstyle
WoW/LoL pastel shit
>UI
LMAO IT'S BOXES
>gameplay
no one asked for this, if you want WoW endgame you can play WoW
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>>721029713
Bearded ladies used to be in circus freak shows for a reason.
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>>721069547
I tried it in the demo on next fest and it is literally wow, without any of the MMO aspects, and I quit wow because its fucking shit
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>>721069394
>limited slots
>totally random, could get bis, could get the same item you already have in all slots
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>>721069547
The game had a demo during the last next fast and it's literally just a M+ dungeon simulator with pre-built characters. That's it. I played it and was completely underwhelmed by it. It's mediocre.
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>>721068197
Delves
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I think the world would be better if the devs of this game got Charlie Kirk'd.
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>>721069360
You're right that I completely forgot about it, but unlike the current system QD hardly invalidated the rest of the game, you could get nice stuff from the rep though.
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>>721069630
Well yeah it's spamming aoes when you look at the game with a 20year of meta gaming knowledge but back then it was a slow ass crawl that would last up to 2hrs with careful pulls, coordination with the classes you got.
It was just hard to handle at the time for players. I don't think aggro is a shit mechanic because it forces you to make strategic decisions depending on the kit of both tanks healers and dd.
Anyway point being I was expecting some kind of cool dungeon exploring shit where you take it somewhat slow, a bit difficult where you drop to half hp low mana per encounters. Force people to socialize and talk a bit and talk strategy. That's what I liked about dungeons.
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>>721069718
>limited slots
>totally random
so like boss drops in molten core right? Except in molten core you could get gear unusable by your faction entirely and the vault only gives you loot usable by your loot spec
More importantly you fucking retard gacha games are defined by being able to spend money to get more items
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>>721069547
I guess no one actually tried this
It seems to be just few fags complaining about it because it looks like wow and come up with random shit to drive people away from this
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>>721068197
Raiding technically, but part of the raid experience is also getting to beat classic characters and preparing for the raid with potions, food, talking who gets which items, deciding which group does what. And even then people already made raid simulators and they did well enough.

https://store.steampowered.com/app/2132850/Rabbit_and_Steel/

That's it. That's WoW's biggest sell point.
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The characters look like ass
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>>721069839
>20year of meta gaming knowledge
frost mage cast blizzard is not some intricate trick requiring decades to understand
>It was just hard to handle at the time for players
the downstream effects of leaded gasoline making all millenials retarded+playing at 800 ms. nothing about vanilla wow was ever hard nor required strategy
>somewhat slow, a bit difficult
its not difficult to play slowly and pull 1 mob at a time, its difficult to juggle interrupts and mechanics on 3 packs at once
>a bit difficult where you drop to half hp low mana per encounters
>Force people to socialize and talk a bit and talk strategy
there is magnitudes more strategy involved in M+ than any classic slop, and you take way more damage
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>>721070343
it's easier to heal in M+ than in old 40m raids desu, the damage is so constant and so spikey it's almost as degenerate as Sunwell shaman stacking.
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>>721062798
These people caused untold damage to ARPGs too, retards doing Baalruns for 15 years in D2 made a lot of devs think that's what made D2 popular, when the majority of the playerbase just wanted more story content.
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>>721069630
>And aggro is a dogshit mechanic
Nah, it's great, you're just shit at the game
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>>721069547
waited in que for 50 minutes to get in the game, checked out my keybinds, tried to make the UI not shit, learned my rotation, went for a piss and BAM kicked out due to inactivity, have fun queing for an hour again you nigger t. game
TWO MINUTES of afk = banned for an hour
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>>721029713
god damn it
every fucking time
what is it with game devs and trooning out? it's almost as bad as the speedrunning "community"
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I see people talking about huge healer and tank queue in this game? Is it true?
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>>721068197
The best part about WoW has always been getting to explore the world (of Warcraft (â„¢)). As a kid who grew up with Warcraft 3 as one of his favorite games it was fascinating to me to run through all the locations that were shown or talked about in that game, however brief. Meeting (and fighting) all the big characters, walking through Orgrimmar, walking through Stormwind, through Lordaeron, seeing Dun Morogh for the first time, all these things were amazing. And the more you go away from all of that the shittier the game becomes, because you have to interact with mmo mechanics and with people, the worst kind of people - mmo players. My love for Warcraft is the only reason I ever came back to this game, I tried many other mmos because my friends were always playing new ones and none of them stuck with me, that was until I realised that I simply despised the genre, but I will forever look fondly on questing in Ashenvale because night elf zones are cool while my friends were always like FUCKING OUTRUNNERS WHY ARE WE LEVELING HERE REEEEEEEE

Anyway, this game has no legacy to uphold, no nostalgia tied to it, no established lore and characters, it's just an outlet for poopsocker raiders who never wanted to interact with anything in the game except numbers. DOA.
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>>721068197
Vanilla leveling
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>>721070689
we've been fed so much estrogen most players gravitate towards sucking cock I mean healers
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>>721025437
Poor man's project nortubel
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>>721070818
exploring what, theres nothing to find
the game actively punishes exploring because mobs will aggro and rape you from a mile away if youre in a high level zone
>As a kid
ok but youre not a kid anymore so you arent amazed by digital giraffes
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>>721065209
How is it almost 2026 and people are still losing their shit over this
A sweeping amount of modern games uses kernel anti cheats and you probably play several of them without realizing because it's not something that really matters and the scare was entirely fabricated
There's plenty of reasons to dislike this slop but that's not really one of them
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>>721070882
KILL YOURSELF.
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>>721070631
Theres nothing good about aggro you windowlicking nigger
Its solved by sitting on your hands and not playing the game if the tank is undergeared, and goes away if the tank is overgeared
there isnt anything that could be worse
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>>721070689
with M+ playing Tank is actually taking the entire responsibility for the success of the run on a meta gaming perspective, you have to know the route, which pack to pull, the mechanics, etc...
And most tanks gameplay feels pretty bad, especially at higher M+ one mess up can mean instant death and all mitigation is extremely spammy, wherehas tanks used to have passive mitigation with the duty of holding threat and using CD to not get instagibbed on busters, now shit like Ironfur are constantly spammed.
And Healer gameplay is ultra degenerate now and really not fun, and I say that as someone who has mostly played healer since 2004.
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>>721025724
If this game actually had like 30 dungeons I could see it being fun for awhile. There is no way they launch with enough classes and dungeons to be worth it
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>>721071070
tanking is the easiest role in the game by a mile
healing is only fun when its hard, but you dont actually play a healer do you
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>>721025437
The only people who will play this are mentally ill raidfags jonesing for a new dose and even more mentally ill sodomite healer bottoms cruising for cock. The former will drop it and go back to WoW or to whining about PoE2 on the Steam forums within a month, and the latter will follow them or go back to grooming children on Discord.

I give it 6 months before EOS.
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>>721071197
>healing M+ is hard
it's not, it's just degenerate and passive.
If a run goes well, you have nothing to do but heal the "passive" damage, if a run goes bad, you have no influence on the outcome because past a certain point mechanics are unhealable.
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>>721071012
>NOOOOOO! Why do I have take other players into account when I'm playing a genre based around party play/ WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!
>*Dies with aggro mit off CD*
Really retard? What's next, you're going to complain that tanks and healers decide how many mobs can be pulled?
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>>721037152
It's the epitome of every soulless decision made in WoW.
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the "holy trinity" is objectively bad game design and dev niggers still fall for it
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>>721071550
its the opposite of passive
>you have nothing to do but heal the "passive" damage
the passive damage is a boss doing your entire healthpool every 5 seconds for an entire fight
you have to plan cooldowns and ramp/burst to cover the damage
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>>721071853
Much better than everyone being slightly different flavours of dps.
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>>721071720
Anything that ends up with you NOT PLAYING THE GAME is objectively terrible
>you're going to complain that tanks and healers decide how many mobs can be pulled?
you pull around DPS cooldowns btw, thanks for affirming you have no idea how to play
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>retail is 20% raiders
>20% M+
>10% pvp
>50% mounts mogs cheevo mentally ill autists who've been collectings shit for twenty years
someone thought it would be a good idea to spend millions making a game for these 20% of players?
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>>721072075
Seems to me like your just an ADHD retard in need of constant stimuli.
>you pull around DPS cooldowns btw
>Yeah bro, we'll pull this pack now that our dps' abilities are off CD. What's that, the tank only has a 1/3 of his mana left, oh well, we pull anyway.
I'm assuming your entire MMORPG experience starts and stops with modern WoW?
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>>721072215
But WoW has like over 9 million players?
20% from that isn't bad.
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>>721072230
>the tank only has a 1/3 of his mana left
Meant the healer, obviously.
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>>721072230
healer drinks while the pull starts you retarded shitter
holy FUCK how bad are you
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>>721025859
>Like most of your content updates after 2012
Everything in wow was stolen even before then
Hell, everything Blizzard has ever made was stolen. Their entire MO was
>steal something someone else did and polish it
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>>721037152
M+ is an e-sport and is STILL an e-sport
every video game e-sport has failed but counter strike, valerant, and league of legends?
e-sports failed everywhere in the world but korea and maybe china?
TLDR its an e-sport and the majority of people hate e-sports
>why do people hate e-sports?
because e-sports ruin games, games should be the players first but with e-sports its e-sports first and the game/mode is designed around the e-sport
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>>721072548
Guess I was right, your experience with MMORPGs starts and stops with modern WoW.
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>>721072313
those 20% bip into all the other shit wow has to offer which this game won't, after the fomo fades these people won't hold 5% id bet
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>>721072645
>because e-sports ruin games, games should be the players first but with e-sports its e-sports first and the game/mode is designed around the e-sport
nice meaningless word soup, I assume your favorite streamer told you that?

All games are designed around the players, there is nothing about M+ that isnt designed around the players
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>>721072698
>5%
Even 90k players is huge for small indie studio like this desu
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>>721072651
you can do that in any MMO, and no MMO besides mordern WoW has hard dungeon content in the first place
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>>721072935
We both know 0% of wow addicts are going to switch from the only game they play to this
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>>721072941
I see wow is the only MMO you played
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WoW invented videogames
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>>721073037
>no argument
uh oh
Sorry you got btfo retard, try not being dogshit next time
nobody good at video games would ever defend aggro
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>>721073069
Wow would not exist without Everquest
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>>721029713
Aaaaand im out
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>>721073434
with all these queues timing out after 40 minutes you've never even been in
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>2h in queue
>do one 10min dungeon
>maintenance
haha very fun game
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>maintenance will take 35 days
cool, cool.
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>>721071969
you don't have to plan shit because the only reason people would die to that damage is if you're afk, it's literally the most passive shit, nothing different to stacking shaman in sunwell and having them spam chainheal.
Even dispels as a mechanic are mostly gone to the point that most newer healers don't even know dispel is a thing.
Get a grip faggot and stop defending bad game design that makes healing boring and existing only to say it exists.
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>>721029713
OH MY GOD
NO!
DELETE THIS THREAD!
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>hours long queues
>check player online through community hub
>6k players in-game
huh?
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>it's okay when wow does it!
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>>721072645
e-sports destroyer class fantasy in retail, its why everyone has a heal, its why everyone has a save ability, its why gladiator stance was removed, its why first aid was removed, its why hunters lost the ability to spec swap pets for five years. If they add something and it doesn't fit the e-sport mold even though the players love it they remove it, e-sports first, players second.
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>>721074293
yeah youve never healed in your life lmao
spot healing doesnt get you through damage spikes and you cant just mash heal like its 2004, if you dont have buffs rolling your healing will do fuck all
>Even dispels as a mechanic are mostly gone
holy shit youve NEVER played this game
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>>721074579
glad stance was removed because it was overpowered
warriorniggers wanting to be overpowered doesnt mean everyone else likes it
NOBODY liked first aid you retarded nigger
and pet changes were made because people kept clamoring for rpg mechanics
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>>721074771
>NOBODY liked first aid you retarded nigger
I like first aid in Classic. Bandages are really fun and useful
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>>721074727
Bro I've literally been healing (and taking) since the release of the game, I only started playing DPS with TWW because both tanking and healing are fucking shit passive spammy low impact garbage.
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ok but can I play a healslut in this game, this is all I care about, unfortunately with M+ autism comes the expectation the healer will be doing damage as well
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I wish death upon this planet, it would be a blessing
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tranny game
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>>721029713
And my dress!
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>>721029713
every fucking time
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>>721044383
umm ackshually he's a drag quuen mkay chud
heckin validate xir existence and boughted xir game
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>>721075021
No you haven't
Nobody who played a healer would claim that dispels dont really exist anymore, you outed yourself
>passive spammy
Do you even listen to yourself? These are contradictory
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>>721029713
zoinks scoob
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>>721075086
good girl
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>>721074276
fuck i was about to start
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>>721067025
I'm too late but your seething about gw2 shows you obviously don't play it. There's only 2 classes in cureent meta that use skill priority most DPS use a real rotation. There's 0 classes that just "press every button on cooldown" you're just parroting some non criticism you read from another retarded anon or are making up from the 15 minutes you played. If you want to offer any proof of your claim I'm happy to refute because I literally make and test rotations for the games end game site.
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>>721029713
Least disgusting WoW player
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>>721033581
Because the modern audience doesn't have the attention span to put in time on a game. Notice how a lot of older games series are now leaning heavily into action combat and faster movement? If you can't fully clear a game in an hour these days people will call it too long and boring, grindy etc. Zoomers have quite literally ruined gaming.
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>>721037746
Are you so retarded to actually believe this? Show me someone using no add-ons who's clearing high keys. You can't because they still play the game for you. Track enemy cool downs, warnings of what spells to kick, when to use defensive. M+ is just 5 man speed raiding.
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>>721025437
>friendslop
>endless scaling rogueslop
>ugly nu-wow slopstyle

That's three strikes, your game is shit.
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>>721037152
it's esport sloppa designed to farm rage engagement by driving people insane
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why are tranny fantasy 14 so mad at this game lmao
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>>721076084
bro literally the only content I haven't done in GW2 are the raids and I've been playing the game since the day it released, I have a boxed copy of it ffs.
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>>721078053
So you've done strike and fractal CMs/LCMs? Any content that requires a rotation and has a DPS check at all? Or are you just a hypercasual who seethes at "end game" content
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>>721030321
>it's real
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Troonship. If you download this DOGSHIT, you're a tranny
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>>721025724
The core concept of Mythic+ is good for a video game. The problem is this is fucking WoWtism with DPS meters and DBM and a clear timer that makes the whole fucking thing unfun slop.
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>>721064607
>GW2 movement is floaty and bad
Everytime I read this take I remember Athene desperately trying to shit on GW2's smooth walk animations that were (and still are) miles ahead of WoW's
What happened to that guy anyway
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game freezes for the first minute (compiling shader?)
text is too small

there's no tutorial, you are expected to be a WoW veteran to understand how targeting and spellcasting works.
needs a basic arena with dummies that you can say "I already know this, skip"

there's no tutorial, to play the game you have to get into a group with real people and experiment there.
needs a basic dungeon with AI companions like at the end of the WoW new starting area experience
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>>721030321
came here to post this. not touching this faggot shit. a game with 1 single troon finger involved in it is worthless
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>>721030103
>monster men
Why'd no one tell me about this
I should try out the game
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>look up some streams
>can't even customize your character, you have to choose between dykes, sheboons and beta males
>entire game consists of standing around some giant table waiting for a queue to pop
>nothing to explore, nothing to customize
>UI is a clusterfuck of debuffs, timers and procs
It's as shallow and soulless as it can get, probably made by equally soulless fellows.
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>>721025437
Cute (but kinda chunky) barefoot girl sighted, who is also a monk clone, which I've been itching for ever since wow died, I'll look into your game.
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>>721081760
That's a man, troon.
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>>721051218
sis thinks he's sven
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I tried it and normally im more open minded than the people here but something is just fucking off about this this.
>90% of roster is female and 1 black dwarf
>Supposed 10-20k players on but a 5-10m queue for healer?
>10k+ people on and not a single word is being said in the server chat for like an hour
>Very low feedback on damage when hitting enemies
>Constant disconnect/crash issues with me and all my friends with varying PCs
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>>721082461
Try dps queue, it's under 30 seconds.
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>>721081358
>skip tutorial
>"wtf why no tutorial"
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>>721083281
where?
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>>721064607
retarded take to be honest, GW2 combat relies on landing bursts, if you spam your buttons you will be dodged/blocked/whatever
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>>721065123
"use 12 different spells in a very specific order every single time for your basic ability to do damage" is not good, either.
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>>721025437
Why can't I play as a white dude?
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>>721081260
there is so much shit to dog on gw2 for idk why people decide to pick movement, the game literally has good jumping puzzles and there are multiple fractal maps that require jumping from platform to platform to survive (i played super long ago and fractals were the endgame at the time)



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