>Castlevania: Order Of Ecclesia was 17 years agoSad reminder: Konami killed a masterpiece franchise for no reason.
>>721040036That "masterpiece" franchise died because it failed all its attempts at 3D and everyone got tired of its 2d games reusing the same sprites from Rondo and SOTN
>>721040036>Released September 2024Update your timetable anon.
>>721040303It's literally just a short little bonus game by M2. They're great at remastering games, but honestly not so great at making stuff anymore. It's okay.
>>721040475Still counts though, the franchise is alive through collections and collabs with other games.I do wonder when they will unveil a new castlevania, now that Metal Gear is out of the way.
It was a noble sacrifice in the name of pachinko.
>>721040239>it failed all its attempts at 3D and everyone got tired of its 2d games reusing the same spritesThats the problem, should've never went 3D, skipped the 6th gen entirely and invested that money in new sprites for downloadable vanias.
>>721040036>retards say that Konami should capitalize on shitty cartoon and release a game>make numerous crossover content that actively distance itself from the cartoonI'm fine with the series being dead and like the Dominus Collection. I'm not playing Dawn of Sorrow.
>>721040239>and everyone got tired of its 2d games reusing the same sprites from Rondo and SOTNno we didn't
>>721041165I did faggot
>>721041072>I'm not playing Dawn of Sorrow.I did and I regret it.
>>721040239Castelvania 64 was almost good, if they just built off that formula they would have relevance. Instead they went GoW clone and after that failed just gave up
>>721040036IGA killed the franchise with a lot of mediocre games and autism over canon. Konami would have either needed to throw out 3/4 of IGAs games or reboot the series. They chose the latter.The series then died after that because Konami management killed their gaming division. They are slowly rebuilding right now. With Suikoden surprisingly being the IP they're bringing back. And I'm glad. If they don't fuck up Suikoden, I'd gladly see Castlevania come back. But only if they get a good developer to do it.
>>721042378>With Suikoden surprisingly being the IP they're bringing back.As a mobile gacha game.
>>721041165I didn't get tired of the same sprites. But he'd recycle old sprites and make them move worse. Also he kept making the castle designs and weapons worse each game. Basically, he phoned it in after Aria. And he's still phoning it in terribly with his Castlevania knock offs. He should seriously go back to writing soap opera VNs. It was the only thing he was good at.
>>721042458Like I said. We'll see if it works. They claim you can play the whole thing without spending money. But we'll see. Beyond the gacha, they did a surprisingly faithful remaster of Suikoden 1 and 2. And they're doing an anime. Something Konami stupidly never greenlit during the height of Suikoden's popularity. It LOOKS like they care. But we'll see if they actually do once everything comes out.
DIE, SHANOA!HOW DARE YOU...EVEN FORGETTING...WHO RAISED YOU...YOU STUPID DISCIPLE!
>>721042378>IGA killed the franchise with a lot of mediocre games and autism over canon. Konami would have either needed to throw out 3/4 of IGAs games or reboot the series. They chose the latter.Fuck you retard. Konami forced IGA to make Castlevania games on increasingly smaller budgets. We could have had 12 SOTN-level 10/10 games with the budget of MGSV.
>>721043069>We could have had 12 SOTN-level 10/10 games with the budget of MGSV.Only if other people developed them. The reason most of the games after SotN weren't good is the people who worked on SotN didn't return, except IGA. You'd need the head director and amazing artists SotN did to get a SotN level game.And please don't give me the budget excuse. IGA was making 3D games with way bigger budgets than SotN. They just sucked. Likewise, Circle of the Moon was great on a GBA budget. The key difference, IGA didn't work on it. And he hated it so much he made Harmony as a response directly to CotM.
>>721043389>Circle of the Moon was great on a GBA budget.Debatable if it was good at all.
>>721043069>We could have had 12 SOTN-level 10/10 games with the budget of MGSVThat's not how it works. SOTN was an anomaly. It can't be recreated.
>>721040036Order of Ecclesia was the worst Igavania tho'
>>721041072>>721042220are you niggas stupid? is the best Castlevania, now that Dominus Collection fixed the shitty magic seals
>>721043726If you play it on a TV (Advanced collection, emulation, whatever), it's great. One of the best Castlevania games. It even looks great when it's not on the GBA dark screen.>wah you have to double tap to run!Exactly the same as Richter in SotN. CotM also improved on many other things like jumping momentum, dedicated button for high jump and so on. Of course any game has room for improvement. But the later IGA games took big steps backwards.
>>721040650Metal Gear AND Silent Hill.The time is approaching bros, we just gotta WAIT.
>>721043917>That's not how it works. SOTN was an anomaly. It can't be recreated.it was SURPASSED when Iga had the budget of 3 bags of peanuts to work with instead of only 1if Iga and his team can make Bloodstained with the budget they got, imagine what they couldve done with a proper AAA budget
>>721044073>Exactly the same as Richter in SotNan extra mode in SOTN, as opposed to the main mode in CotM
>>721040036Hollow Knight is the spiritual sucessor
>>721042364The weird thing is making it a GoW clone wasn't even that big of a departure, IGA's 3D games were basically hack-and-slash/beat-em-ups anyway. But it never fit.
>>721044178Bloodstained was trash. Don't reply to me again
>>721044073>Exactly the same as Richter in SotN.No one uses the normal run though.You spam either the slide or the airdash to move around.
Aria is better than SotN though
>>721041072>>721044071Just play the rom hack that replaces the anime portraits and automatically does the seals for you. It's called definitive edition +
>>721044243And movement/running in CotM is better than Richter in SotN.>>721044387I use the run. Doing up, down, FR, R over and over to get 0.2 extra seconds of movement is just stupid.
>>721044596>I use the run. Doing up, down, FR, R over and over to get 0.2 extra seconds of movement is just stupid.That's why Harmony of Dissonance is the better game. It was fun dashing through the castle
>>721044178In the sorry state that it launched on Switch and needed several patches to even run correctly?
>>721044856>It was fun dashing through the castleBecause the castle design is so bad, you want to just skip through it. Plus they make you constantly backtrack and switch castles.It's shit.
>>721040239That wasn't a canon game and wasn't even made by Konami.
>>721045083>Because the castle design is so badthe castle design was good though. The visuals and sound added to the atmosphere as well. It's the most gothic castlevania ever. I can't believe they didn't add the forward dash to other games.
>>721044856No, it sucked ass because jumping killed all of your momentum.>B-But Speedrunners-No normal person will ever find out speedrunner tech.
Is this series the only Japanese game series where religion IS the good guys? The church is pure good in this series.
>>721045351>No, it sucked ass because jumping killed all of your momentum.do you expect to continue your dash when you jump. That's stupid
>>721045138IGA made multiple 3D Castlevania games and he considered them canon. He fucking considered Judgement canon (and the 1999 game). That's one of the many reasons he sucked and killed Castlevania.
>>721045454MegaMan X does it
>>721045317>I can't believe they didn't add the forward dash to other games.They did. It started in SotN and is present in a lot of others after Harmony.>>721045454>do you expect to continue your dash when you jump.You can in SotN with Richter/Maria.
>>721045508Curse of Darkness and Lament of Innocence are fucking great. I assumed you were talking the the 3D reboot where you play as Dracula.Side note: Ayami Kojima's art is fucking amazing.
Castlevania was cool when it used Vampire Hunter D for inspiration. Now there is no good source material to draw from anymore.
Shanoa was best girl and Miriam was a cheap copy.
Lords of Shadow 1 is the best-selling Castlevania game
>>721045448Not always the case.The witchhunts that led to Dracula starting his war on humanity because of his wife's murder. Also the Belmonts were in exile before the pope begged Trevor Belmont to save them.
>>721045696>Curse of Darkness and Lament of Innocence are fucking great.
>>721045448The Church was evil in the Gabriel games.
>>721045783>Vampire Hunter D for inspirationBitch please.
>>721040239Whoa it's like turning a 2d franchise 3d is retarded and rarely works
>>721045938They're all secondary to the 1985 OVA.
>>721045838The Church ever since Castlevania have been backing the Belmonts. Alucard works for the churn in the modern games with the Belnades descendant.
Dracula killed the franchise, literally
>>721045841I lost all sympathy on that position once people defended the Netflix cartoon to shit on those games.
>>721045913Those games aren't main universe canon. And a Spanish company made that.
>>721046003Yeah they realized how hard they fucked things up after the events of Dracula's Curse and started being more open to working with the Belmont clan and magic users.
>>721046147>main universeThat's not what you said originally.
>>721045838>Crucifixions are the favorite execution method of the ChurchNo. I hate "sympathetic" Dracula. I'm glad LoI established that he was always a cunt.
>>721040036OoE is dogshit. Lords of Shadow was great. They were never ever going to do a Julius game ever.
>>721045913No it wasn’t. It was just there.
OoE is great. Lords of Shadow was dogshit. They should never ever do a Julius game ever.
>>721046387The main villain was the leader of the knight branch of the church.
>>721046313Did Lisa deserve to die? No she didn't.But Dracula damning all of mankind instead wasn't the way he should have gone about it.
Does she do art for games?
>>721044071dawn is made actively worse by its closeness to aria, which is a reminder as to why direct sequels shouldn't really exist for these sorts of games (looking at you, samus), and the soul-crafting system is probably the worst of the mechanics in any igavaniaeverything but the sprite resolution (good ones anyway) and weapon specials was simply better in aria, the only coherent complaint /v/irgins ever give it is BUT IT'S TOO EASY as if being fun is a secondary priority to enlarging your e-penisdawn has gergoth and original castlevania area and a decent number of fun souls, but frankly the only thing that matters is the pinnacle theme
SCIV is in the runnings for one of the best video games ever made
OoE is my favourite game because it has a good blend of oldschool Castlevania and SotN-style Igavania with the straight forward map design sprinkled with side paths opening up after progression power-ups. I also really like the story since it was basically set after the "age of the gods" where the Belmonts are all gone and evil roams free. Shanoa is a literal who only manages to seal Dracula because she's a test tube baby designed to house his evil magic. There's no chosen one or God blessing bullshit here. Just humans fighting against darkness and fate. It's also very bittersweet and poignant how Shanoa's victory ultimately becomes lost to time and herself forgotten despite being the one to revive the Belmont lineage.
Whats the best way to play Aria? Or the DS games?
>>721046534>Did Lisa deserve to die?She had sex with the antichristSounds like a good enough reason to kill her to be completely honest
>>721046786>good blendLike mixing gravy with cheesecake. It's not a unique mix that incorporates the strengths of both, it's just a bad Igavania. The only "classic" thing about it is the linearity until the castle, levels don't even have alt routes.>storyGotta be real, I don't care for endless hoop-jumping used to justify yet another Dracula being defeated by yet another non-Belmont. The problem of having a continuity, I suppose, but classic megaman didn't sweat the details much.
>>721046976Yet their union resulted in humanity's greatest protector.
>>721047210>it's just a bad Igavania.Yeah I like it more because it's a classicvania with an Igavania thrown in at the end.>levels don't even have alt routes.They have multiple paths that are opened up on backtracking, sometimes required like to save villagers.> I don't care for endless hoop-jumping used to justify yet another Dracula being defeated by yet another non-BelmontThere's not really any hoops. The plot is essentially>Find and stop Albus -> Barlowe betrays you -> Stop DraculaAnd Shanoa didn't even defeat Dracula. She just tries to commit suicide to seal him temporarily. A cool detail is how this is the only game where he doesn't transform, implying he was just toying with her the whole time. I really like that since it hammers home how much of a normie she is compared to the chosen one Belmonts.
>>721045970kek nope it's the other way around in classicvania, D's influence didn't become more apparent until SOTN
>>721047489>Shanoa didn't even defeat DraculaNo, she kills him by using the Dominius glyphs, turning his own power against him. Using them however takes the life of a mortal, but Albus's ghost steps in take Shanoa's place.
>>7210402393D Castlevania is literally just Dark Souls. Too bad Fromsoft found the formula before Capcom did.
>>721047762yeah all that platforming in Dark Souls
>>721046976It's implied Dracula wasn't evil (or at least the prince of darkness) until after she was killed. But the origin of Dracula has already been done three different ways in the series (four if you count the shitty "anime"). And each one contradicts the other. Two of them being shitty IGA rewrites. So at this point, the "canon" is pointless.Castlevania was at its best when it was a tech demo for various different Konami teams. And they didn't try to make it a canon story. They just built off whatever the last team did.
>>721046534The entire Netflix cartoon is about making excuses for Dracula. The entire cartoon is about moral inversions and I suspect most of the people defending this shit are SotN fans.
>>721047740Ah you're correct. I misremembered and forgot that Dominus kills Dracula but only because it's literally his power.
>>721047762>3D Castlevania is literally just Dark Souls.Idiotic things said in every thread for an IP. Just like "Zelda should have voice acting" and "Final Fantasy should be more like FF7."
>>721045838I really can't why she would stop Alucard from saving her.
>>721048057SotN is fucking good and I will die on that hill.Giving Alucard and Dracula actual motivations.
>>721048231Maybe she didn't want the angry mob to go after him next.We don't know how strong he was at the time of her death, since he was still very young.
>>721047489>multiple paths that are opened up on backtracking>backtrackingYeah that's the bad part. One way is progress, another is "come back later", which is why I say it's a bad Igavania, and a classicvania without alt routes. One format is reduced to its most boring version, another doesn't click because the player is nowhere as limited. It's like if the various indie attempts at Castlevania 2 were full of fancy movement abilities: that shit just doesn't mesh. I mean, was there a single Igavania where axe armor represented the same thread it did in the first game? That's what the disparate OoE levels feel like to me: medusa corridors that are not dangerous but annoying, because of minimal player commitments.
>>721044071I hated Dawn of Sorrow when I first played it cause I tried to get every soul and that game becomes dogshit if you try to do this, you're supposed to just to like a rougue type run where you get what you get and you work with it and if you want different stuff you do a different run, and maybe try to get to the black panther soul fast so back travel is faster
>>721048057I'm a SotN fan as well as a fan of everything Castlevania until Harmony. I hated the anime from the start because of how it depcited all the CV3 characters. Especially Trevor. But also, even if I didn't know anything about CVIII or SotN, I would have found it stupid. "Haha dick jokes and Trevor is a whipped loser! So funny!" Also, the pacing and writing is terrible just on its own.>>721048231It's a dream. And until Succubus fucked up, he thought he was just reliving a memory. He probably repeats this dream over and over and has gotten used to it.
>>721048536The problem is Aria encourages you to get every soul. And so, if you were playing Dawn as a follow up, you'd expect the same thing. But Dawn is shit because it ruined so many things Aria did. Not just the souls but also the weapons and castle design and characters and so on.
>>721048459You're literally admitting there are alt routes, which is why it's a bad Igavania. If there weren't any then it wouldn't be an Igavania at all.
>>721048653>Trevor is a whipped loser! So funny!Did we watch the same show? He's one of the characters they did right.
>>721046313Humanity brings Dracula back with Black Mass, and they do it again and again and again. World Wars, corruption, etc. Dracula is right. Humanity should die.
>>721040036Started playing the GBA games after beating SOTN the other week and some of the bosses in Circle of the Moon are kicking my ass. Am I underleveled or just retarded?
>>721048858He spends 3/4 the first season as a joke character. One "cool" fight scene (which was also terrible and not Castlevania at all) doesn't redeem all the terrible dick jokes. They turned him into Vash the Stampede. But CVIII isn't suppose to be a comedy.And Sypha is arguably worse. She's a shrew girlboss in the "anime."
>>721048959Circle is one of the harder games. You need to actually stop and learn patterns/movement well. But once you do, it's amazingly satisfying. You can also find spots where bosses can't damage you and use the healing card combo.
>>721040036Michael Jackson looks amazing here
>>721049309>You can also find spots where bosses can't damage you and use the healing card combo.That's what I had to do for those zombie dragon pricks
>>721040239Hey if it ain’t broke don’t fix it
>>721049239No point in arguing with a stick in the mud.
>>721047649Nope. Just watch the 1985 OVA and you basically have Rondo of Blood all there.
>>721049459I'll take that as you are admitting what I said is true. It's fine if you like it. I'm just saying I didn't. And a lot of other people also didn't.It's really telling that the only people I ever see who say they like the Castlevania anime always cite the two same things. Alucard and the fight scenes. But ignore how 90% of the show is badly written filler.
Bets on what comes first.Bloodstained 2 or SotN decomp?
>>721042378>rip off the battle system from SaGa Emerald Beyond of all thingsWhy tho?
>>721040239>>721042378Where did this insane faggotry come from? The handheld games are by no means mediocre, in fact, they're even better than SotN in various ways.
>>721048829Dead end with a big fat unreachable ledge is not an "alt route", I am talking about how the established "you'll get the item if you backtrack with a new ability later" design doesn't work with linear non-connected areas, those need "alt routes" like CV3 or RoB do.
>>721040036It's cool, we have a worthy successor.
>>721040036[DEVASTATING NEWS] You are old and all those beautiful memories of your youth are less than thin air
>>721050217>The handheld games are by no means mediocre, in fact, they're even better than SotN in various ways.Read the thread where a dozen people have already argued over it. And made a good case why the DS games are worse than SotN. I personally said Circle of the Moon improved on a couple aspects of SotN. But think the later games didn't.
>>721049576And it's pretty telling you've only watched season 1.
>>721046387isn't there a preist in LoS thats stays hold up in his safe building while the villagers suffer, Gabriel gets mad at him and at the end he looses the protection and gets eaten?
>>721050258Ahem.
>>721050439>The Reddit Adventure of Referential Humor
>>721050307>I personally said Circle of the Moon improved on a couple aspects of SotN. But think the later games didn't.You're retarded and wrong. Every single one of them has better game balancing than SotN, for one thing. Then they focused on different stuff on top of that, and that focus let them refine various mechanics that were only half-assedly slapped onto SotN as an afterthought.
>>721045938Makes for a great pinball machine. Castlevania would too, but vidya based pinball is rare.
>>721050439Lodoss Warvania and Lunar Nights are way better
>>721040239>everyone got tired of its 2d games reusing the same sprites from Rondo and SOTNNope, faggot
>>721049465I haven't watched that one yet but Bloodlust was great
>>721048858>Trevor vs a live wallpaper>>721048436A lot of the details of the death doesn't add up. I prefer the idea that vampirism is inherently bad rather than the hypothetical "good" vampires in the show.
>>721050628Pinball FX should do a collab with Castlevania.
>>721045696>Curse of Darkness and Lament of Innocence are fucking great.They're turds, actually.
>>721050578>You're retarded and wrong.Stop talking at that mirror.>Every single one of them has better game balancing than SotN, for one thingHoly shit I can't disagree with this hard enough. But I don't even know what you're considering "game balance" to begin with.>Then they focused on different stuff on top of thatAside from some gimmicks like souls and seals, not really. Their biggest problem is not only copying the SotN formula but recycling assets from that game and later games. And then doing stuff like making movement worse, lowering the amount of weapons, worse castle design and so on. Which I'm sure you're going to claim it's the opposite. But I'm just saying my opinion.>and that focus let them refine various mechanics that were only half-assedly slapped onto SotN as an afterthought.They didn't refine them well at all. And many of them are just ideas SotN did but done in a different way. But unbalanced or made worse. A lot of the ideas SotN did were repeated in souls. But souls didn't really do them better. And shit like Harmony and the 3D games are just worse in every way.
>>721050307>one retard being the only person arguing that they're bad>THE GENERAL CONSENSUS IS THAT THEY ARE BADretard
>>721050827Maybe a Symphony or CV3 remake could actually show a canonical death scene for Lisa.
>>721050439>retrowaveDown the shitter it goes.
>>721046138What are you talking about? The Netflix show doesn't justify the PS2 games being such dull wastes of time. People were rightfully calling those games mediocre or worse 20 years ago. They pale in comparison to a dozen 3D action-adventure games from the period and even on their own terms they're obnoxious.
>>721050628Virtual Pinball is the most overlooked genre in gaming. But it's not that castlevania would specifically work well as Pinball. It would work just about as good as any IP. Unless they did something really original like Kirby Pinball or Sonic Spinball tried to do. Those games need remakes.
>>721051002Multiple people have said they're bad. I know because I'm one of them. But not all the posts are mine.You assuming everyone who doesn't agree with you is the same poster is typical 4chan cope.
What's the best version of SotN nowadays?
>>721048750Exactly. Aria is deceptively easy to 100% if you know what you're doing, and the game encourages it. Dawn is a never-ending maze of pointless fiddly progression systems stacked on pointless fiddly progression systems, it's just a chore through and through, and the seals are the least of the game's problems.
>>721047762You dont understand Castlevania at all buddy
>>721051152emulating PS1 still
>>721051152Original PS1 or the Xbox version for sexy Alucard voice.https://youtu.be/kGoNjcodfls?si=U7B9wFnPYxagI1SU
>>721051002This is the power of autism. It is forcing people to tolerate you via retard fatigue.>>721051023No.>>721051072Too many people defend nig Isaac and shitting on those game to do it. I don't fucking care anymore. CoD could be Superman 64 tier and I wouldn't care.
>>721051000>I don't even know what you're considering "game balance" to begin with.Yep, I didn't think you would.>recycling assets from that game and later gamesThe GBA trilogy did not reuse a single asset.I've noticed your posting patterns in these threads before, btw. Shut the fuck up you autistic retard.
>>721051257>No.Lisa's death is literally the catalyst for the entire Castlevania saga.
>>721051129>he makes multiple posts saying the game is bad>he thinks the people defending them are all the same person as that's what he doessadand retarded
>>721051362technically it was the death of Dracula's first wife
How has somebody not just...ripped off Metroid's map again.
>>721051274>Yep, I didn't think you would.No counter argument or examples. Saves me having to respond.>The GBA trilogy did not reuse a single asset.Holy shit, you're either naive or arguing in bad faith. Probably the latter based on the rest of your "points."
>>721045970Castlevania is more of a composite of Indiana Jones and Universal/Hammer movies.
>>721051496Not the worst Dracula movie but way worse than it should have been.
>>721051717And an even worse game.
>>721051502Could first person Castlevania work?That new Indiana Jones game got me thinking about whipping vamps in first person.
>>721051828I don't personally see why not. But it wouldn't be my ideal. Honestly, I think the 64 games get moving and attacking right, it's just the level and encounter design and out-of-place adventure game-y stuff that drags them down. Just give me 64's options and feel with a camera that doesn't suck ass and a Metroid Prime interconnected world.
>>721051362The cartoon fucked it up beyond repair. Dracula is a cunt. Let's move on. OoE wouldn't be improved if he brought up his wife. Fuck Dracula. Fuck Lisa. Fuck Ellis.
>>721052423Lisa has been canon since 1997.
That /co/ Castlevania thread had that one anon constantly seething about people acknowledging that evil exists.
>>721051519>you're either naive or arguing in bad faith.This isn't a matter of opinion, retard. You are factually wrong and if you weren't then it would be extremely easy for you to prove it.Again, the GBA games do not reuse a single asset, and even if they did, it wouldn't matter because SotN reuses a fuckton to begin with.
>>721052931You see, evil is just a social construct. The Castlevania anime was a statement about the evils in society and within us all. We're all Dracula. And that's why he's actually the hero. Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.
>>721051660Don't forget Ray Harryhausen monsters
>>721047762>3D Castlevania is literally just Dark Souls.Soulslike are very closesly related to metroidvanias, but not the same thing. Metroidvanias must include opening paths with new skills/items.Curse of Darkness got it right on paper but the mechanics and controls sucked in practice.
>>721053019>You are factually wrong and if you weren't then it would be extremely easy for you to prove it.Axe Armor, Medusa Heads and a couple others are reused from SotN. Other enemies in Aria are reused from Harmony. And some sprites from CotM are also reused from other games.>and even if they did, it wouldn't matter because SotN reuses a fuckton to begin with.I never said SotN didn't. I don't think reusing assets it's bad. You however made a claim they didn't reuse a single one. Which is wrong.What I did say however is that they didn't reuse the assets well. Some hitbox and size issues. It did get worse in the DS games (Alucard's sprite in DoS being the absolute worst). But it's still wrong that the GBA didn't reuse a single asset.
>>721053141Genre names are pointless. People can't even define an RPG without Bethesdrones throwing a hissy fit.
I don't think it's all that great a game upon revisiting...but there's something intensely nostalgic to me about the castle entranceway music in Lament of Innocence. https://youtu.be/NI7cKOL09u8?si=OJvCvLZUl0mUvfpzAnd Rinaldo's cottage is max comfy. Maybe it came out at just the right time in my life when I thought the sky was the limit, I don't know. I was really excited for it back then, wound up beating it on a rental, but it didn't sour my opinion of it at the time. Don't think I ever did fight Beelzebub though.
>>721047762They’re not that similar but Dark Souls is a good framework on which to build a 3D Castlevania. If Konami weren’t retarded they would have already made it, or better yet just outsource to Fromsoft.
>>721052625Lisa is canon, but Dracula's first wife from back when he was a human known as Mathias, Elizabeth died of some illness and Mathias got angry at God. Elizabeth was the one who technically that set everything in motion.
>>721053364>Genre names are pointless. Despite making that post, truth be told, I totally agree.Video game genres are beyond retarded.
>>721047762>3D Castlevania is literally just Dark Souls.So fucking tired of idiots saying stuff like this. You're basically saying "all that matters is art style and tone." There's more to the games than just being dark and having some design similarities. And they're not even that similar in design.
>>721044351reply, bitch>>721045060i played it on PC
>>721044856HoD is definitively better than CotM, Maxim mode is fun too>>721045083oh boo hoo, the genre known for backtracking makes you backtrack>>721045351how is that worse than constantly double tapping?>>721044471i dont mind the seals in the Dominus collection actually, QTEs are fine in this instance
>>721054060>the genre known for backtrackingThar would be RPGs. There's tons of 2D Action/Platformers that don't make you backtrack.
Did the people who say HoD is better than CotM even play all the way through CotM?
>>721050258without the shard system i dont expect this game to be better than Bloodstained 1, but im still getting it, having a job system in an Igavania sounds cool as hell
>>721054323I played through both. CotM is only fun on thief mode, when card drops are often enough for you to experiment with. Otherwise it's just an exercise in tedium. HoD had shit music but it was at least fair.
>>721051828>Could first person Castlevania work?i dont think so, a THIRD person Castlevania, totally coulda shame a 3rd person Metroidvania doesnt exist
>>721054490>fairSo it was too hard for you. But that's the opposite of tedious. Harmony on the other hand is legit tedious. Too easy and terrible progression.Circle is also fun to play on all the other modes except maybe Strength mode.
>>721054145>There's tons of 2D Action/Platformersthe genre is METROIDVANIA, its not just a plain 2D Action/Platformerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroidvania>Exploration and backtracking is required to discover previously undisclosed game mechanics, reveal story details, and solve puzzles, eventually leading to the knowledge required for progression.
>>721054709>too hardyeah I figured you'd fall back on this. CotM isn't hard, but it gatekeeps it's own mechanics behind drops that never happen. Imagine Aria of Sorrow if you had to grind half an hour or more for a single goddamn soul. That's CotM. You can shove your git gud's up your ass, cause I did finish the game in spite of how fucking broken it is.
>>721054770shit i misread and accidentally quoted the "Metroidbrainia" section, FUCK
>>721054786>Imagine Aria of Sorrow if you had to grind half an hour or more for a single goddamn soul.to be fair, some souls do be like dat
>>721054490I like the card drops adding variety to different playthroughs, kind of like a randomization element to character speccing that determines a build. I never thought you were supposed to get every card and just getting the ones I did gave me a bevy of powerful options that I could apply in different situations. Some combinations even letting you get to certain spots early was cool as hell too. HoD on the other hand is a bunch of flat hallways that zig one way until you hit a vertical rise or drop then zag the other way. Enemies are pure cannon fodder even without your spells which are basically nukes. They're fun to fuck with, kind of like when you've learned SotN some and you go "I wonder how fast I can kill this fucker," except you're doing it on a first playthrough just by using the systems. Then there's pathing, relentless backtracking even for these games, locked doors that compound on key abilities with literal keys just to waste more of your time. Game is basically a keyhunt for Dracula guts across two arbitrarily separated castles where nothing particularly excited or memorable takes place in either of them. And when Dracula does appear as a mother brain ripoff, you just wail lo him like all the other bosses, maybe crouching sometimes. But uh, you can furnish a room, I guess. The new Bloodstained is bringing that back for some reason.
>>721050663luna nights is one of those weird games that have aspirations of being metroidvania but not the design know-how nor the breadth of contentthe core combat is fun from start to finish, but enemies are few, areas are dull, and the whole thing would have been better as a collection of levels few secrets like bionic commando rearmed>t. never touched anything toehoe related ever
>>721054906Luck is a bitch, but statistically speaking you're gonna get a couple of decent things just running around. My very first playthrough got me an early bat soul and I was happy using it for like 70% of the game (especially against Medusas).
>>721054770Metrovania is a subset of 2D Action/Platformer which only applies to Metroid and Castlevania games. And many of those don't even fit the original definition anymore. I used the term 2D Action/Platformer to point that out. And to cement that not all of them require backtracking.
>>721053258>Axe Armor, Medusa Heads and a couple others are reused from SotNBlind retard
>What is a depraved son?!>Alucard, that's who!>*tosses whine glass and breaks down crying*
>>721040036We're never getting a proper 1999 game.
>>721053650They can be defined but you should be able to bully homos who think a man with a mutilated penis is a woman.
>>721054786>Imagine Aria of Sorrow if you had to grind half an hour or more for a single goddamn soul.Dawn of Sorrow?
>>721056273IGA said that Judgement was that game. Either as a joke or to get people to stop asking for it, who knows. But he said it in an interview.And really, would you even want him to do it? It would probably be some Harmony level shit gameplay with a Lament/Curse level story. The idea of it remains intriguing precisely because you didn't see it. It's mysterious. Just like tons of people wanted to see Samus' origin story. Then hated it when they got it.
>>721055515>which only applies to Metroid and Castlevania gamestheres lots of games which fall under the Metroidvania umbrella, not just Metroid and Castlevania, it is a genre, and games within this genre almost always have backtracking, is very difficult to even imagine a Metroidvania without backtracking, since progress is usually unlocked via new abilities, if you didnt sprinkle inaccessible areas all over the game that can only be accessed later with new abilities, then its hardly a Metroidvania
>>721040239no, it died because kojima is a fucking retard and he stuck his nose where it didn't belong. we could have gotten the 1999 game if the LOS games weren't made
>>721056273I honestly, genuinely, don't care. I remember talking about this with people back in the late 2000s/early 2010s, and my stance hasn't changed. I can understand wanting it for the sake of completion, I guess, but it's not like we don't know what happens. It's just background fluff for Aria of Sorrow. There was nothing precious about it. It was an excuse to play as a femboy with Pokemon powers. Never mind the fact the series has a grand total of 0 (zero) stories worth caring about: what would a 1999 game even deliver? Especially taken with the context of the time? It would've meant yet-another teenage femboy (Julius pre-twink death) running around another anachronistic clusterfuck castle. What would make a 1999 game different?
>>721056652nta and i see your point, but still, i think the final battle against dracula deserves an adaptation instead of having numerous games just telling us how badass it is
>>721050787The 1985 is when you can really see how much CV drew from the manga.
>>721045696CoD might've been one of the worst games I've ever played.When a room with a switch in the middle that makes a flight of stairs appear is considered a highlight in terms of level design you know your game sucks massive ass.Cool stealing mechanic, thou.
>>721056273I think 1999 would benefit from being done as its own series/era of games, as opposed to trying to make one game live up to something fans have heard about since SOTN came out. Really roll out the red carpet, as though it was a natural progression of the series in the 90's. But that approach would come with its own risks.
>>721056664>it is a genreIt really isn't. It's become a genre because people on platforms like Steam use it. But it's so overused basically any action or 2D game has the label. Just like every 3D action game (and even some RPGs) gets called a "soulslike" now. Very few of them are actually like Metroid or Castlevania. And like I said before, even some Metroid and Castlevania games don't even fit the Metrovania classification.And many also don't have backtracking. If you consider that a requirement for it to be a Metrovania, then Metriod 2, Other M and others aren't Metrovania.
>>721047762why capcom?..
>>721056664Metroidvania is broader than a genre, it's a type of game structure, such as level-based and open-world. Actual genre doesn't matter, the only thing that does is whether the game is structured like a metroidvania.For example, Cave Story is not a metroidvania, but Pokemon Red is.This is because Pokemon Red has you encountering progression gates, which need to be unlocked by obtaining and using multi-purpose key abilities, after which you need to obtain further abilities in order to unlock further gates.The key detail is that you need to be able to encounter the gates BEFORE you have their required key ability, because if they don't actually lock you out at any point then they're not gates at all, just obstacles. This is also the part that facilitates backtracking, and it's a required part of the metroidvania structure. Pokemon Red follows this structure perfectly, but Cave Story doesn't.
>>721059178>Pokemon Red>MetrovaniaWe've gone full retard. Time to reset the human race.
>>721059876It's true, retard. I'm not even the first to point this out.
>>721059973Your own chart proves you wrong.
>>721060379It doesn't, it proves me exactly right since only the first row matters. If you don't count the entire first row then where do you draw the line? Are Metroid Prime and Powerslave not metroidvanias?Stop arbitrarily deciding things with mental gymnastics and stick to first principles, you moronic faggot.
>>721059178>Pokemon>metroidvanialollmao even
>>721060620>If you don't count the entire first row then where do you draw the line?At purism on both axes, not just one of them.>Are Metroid Prime and Powerslave not metroidvanias?FPS games with unlockable areas are not metroidvanias just because they have unlockable areas.
>>721060784I know the idea discomforts you on an emotional level, but stop being a mindless femoid-brain and you will understand that it's true.
>>721040036I wish fromsoftware would take over and make Castlevania into a soulslike. What else does konami have to lose? They've literally given out the license to dead by daylight where you RUN AWAY as Trevor Belmont.
>>721061013>FPS games with unlockable areas are not metroidvanias just because they have unlockable areas.Are you going to ignore the fact that 2D Metroids are essentially run 'n guns while Castlevanias are ARPGs?Those fundamental genre differences are perfectly acceptable, but lean just a bit further into the shooter side, or just a bit further into the RPG side, and it's suddenly not a metroidvania anymore?Again, you're just doing more mental gymnastics with no consistency.
>>721061302>it's realhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQWEWR4V-m0
Do any of the other games have an ost as good as SOTN? CotM isn't doing it for me
>>721061783I think the PS2 3D games were a real standout for the series.
>>721062941Music-wise I mean, of course. The games themselves are alright.
>>721053496Lament is a bad game but the music is great.
>>721050217people think worse graphics = bad games
>>721061302Konami does not want to invest more money in Castlevania. They have already invested a large amount of money for Team Mercury to develop Lord of Shadow and it was a failure; only the first game sold well, but the two remaining ones sold worse than even the Nintendo DS games. When they finish all the collections of all the Castlevania games, they will probably leave the franchise in complete oblivion.
>>721043389CotM is a paint by numbers soulless metroidvania that isn't even better than HoD.
>>721042378This. IGA is the reason why castlevania was shelved. The retard made awful games.
>>721046646Unpopular opinion: all great metroidvanias are easy.
>>721065132You're retarded
>>721049576You kids are so spoiled these days. Reading your complaint threads is like listening to rich people bitch about being broke.
>>721040036>konami killed a masterpiece Incorrect. They revived it. There's massive interest for a new souls like CV now.
>>721057663You are violating basic logic with your claims here. A thing is what it is. If you're going to argue that there's no consensus on the term metroidvania as a genre, then you're simply not part of the discussion period. You're just talking to yourself. Not even that anon. Just making an attempt to help you notice the wall you built.
Anyone thinks OoE isn't the best CV game ever made is wrong by the way.
>>721065726Most people who watch that series don't play video games, at most they played Castlevania SOTN. Furthermore, the success of that series should have reflected in the sales of collections; Castlevania Dominus Collection didn't even sell a million copies. If Konami doesn't see an increase in video game sales, why should they invest in that series?
>>721045448It's because whenever they had the idea to use the evil church cliche, they made them separate quasi-religious organizations for canon autism reasons. Worst offender being Ecclesia, done so subtly as to *literally be fucking called "Ecclesia"*
>>721065112Embarrassing samefag
>>721051072>People were rightfully calling those games mediocre or worse 20 years ago.I legit fell for the propaganda and believed they were mediocre wastes of time until I actually decided to finally try them out, and holy shit, they're actually really fucking fun. I feel like the level design is the biggest shortcoming, but KH2 also had really basic level design, too, and that's one of my favorite games. the jank 7/10 ps2 sovl kino really will save your life
>>721066220Shanoa is a beautiful gothic girl, but the game does not add anything to the narrative of the franchise and besides that game was a commercial failure at its time which forced Konami to seek Team Mercury to make Lord of Shadow, which definitely dug the grave of Castlevania.
>>721066817>to the narrative of the franchiseI really don't give a shit about the "narrative of the franchise." Wow Dracula, gotta kill him. Who gives a shit about between games? OoE had a strong story between its characters and a lot of shakeups to the formula that made it vastly more interesting as a game, and Shanoa's glyph system was the most polished combat of the franchise
>>721050439People are shitting on this, but the idea of actually making an honest to god sequel to Simon's Quest is really fucking novel and cool. I guess that's why I like Order of Ecclesia so much
>>721067179An eery, kinda depressing town really helps sell a severely missing element of Dracula in Castlevania. OoE could've done even more with it but the village is still one of the reasons I love it so much. I like seeing, to some degree, the extent of evil affecting the populace.
>>721066654>If Konami doesn't see an increase in video game sales, why should they invest in that series?Castlevania is now a multimedia franchise. The IP leasing by itself is low risk high profit venture. You don't understand the machinations of a business corporation at all.
>>721066654>Most people who watch that series don't play video games>yeah I think most of the people who watched the show (primarily males aged 15 to 30) don't play video gamessure thing man, it's not the 90s anymore
>>721042364This. I’ve been replaying it recently and it’s pretty comfy with how much it feels like classicvania but 3D. The problem is the camera is sometimes your biggest enemy and some old-school design choices that can be frustrating.
>>721056761Another game where you ACTUALLY play as a Belmont this time? I don't fucking know, considering how long they've been out of the games, that would've been fucking sweet.Also, femboy twink Julius is fucking fanfiction, he was an epic handsome chad with facial hair even at 18 and super buff like yet somehow a teenager like Jotaro Kujo, for example.
>>721067853Even at the time, as a kid, in the era of "what the fuck are 3D controls, even?" the game was just way too clunky on release. They definitely should've iterated on it though. On the otherhand I don't think Lament of Innocence is a bad attempt at the CV formula in 3D either. The castle of infinite repeating corridors was a real problem though.
>>721064560>Konami does not want to invest more money in Castlevania>He doesn't knowExpect it, it's fucking coming.
>>721066748>there is only one person who disagrees with medumbfuck.
They also recently got Takarazuka Revue(very big deal in Japan, mainly to women) to do a musical; they are for sure cooking something, it's just a matter of time.
>>721044178bloodstained is literally bootleg version of SOTN though.
>>721068209Dracula is back baybeee..
why did they almost completely abandon the whip as the main weapon after SOTN?
>>721061102>femoidIncels really can't help exposing themselves, can they?>>721061367>Castlevania>ARPGYou really are out of your mind.
>>721066817>muh meta-plot
>>721069145why does she have ice cream spilt on her back? Is she stupid?
>>721069201Villager quest bypass
>>721069145It was confirmed by leakers, it's for sure coming.
Bros should I buy SH f just to support konami ?
>>721068772Are you implying that's a bad thing?
i've played castlevania 4, SOTN and i'm almost finished OOE. What game should I play after i finish OOE?
>>721068916Can't have equippable weapons if Vampire Killer is the only weapon the main character has. Can't make it one of the weapons either because then what's the point of equipping anything else?
>>721069498not in itself no. but you said it surpassed SOTN when in reality it was a rehash with slight differences.
>>721069498Not him but I hope he meant it is a bad thing. Bloodstained is absolute garbage. Those who think it is good like the better CV games should be immolated.
>>721069584then make vampire killer a late game weapon or a weapon that can be upgraded and used alongside other weapons.
>>721069560Rondo Of BloodAria of SorrowPortrait of RuinBloodlinesAdventure RebirthCan't go wrong with any of these
>>721069584They literally made an entire game that proves you wrong. >>721069661>then make vampire killer a late game weapon or a weapon that can be upgraded and used alongside other weapons.Yeah, they might call it CV Painting of Destruction or something.
I really wish there was another CV with the omni directional whip but thoughtfully designed around it
>Order of Ecclesia>Dracula actually walksIt took him a couple of centuries, but he finally learned it.
>>721040650>now that Metal Gear is out of the waydelta was not a new game
i forgot to steal albus' and barlowe's glyphs
>>721070075time to commit dominoku
>>721040036Are there any good Aria of Sorrow Clones/Successors? I've already played Bloodstained games.
Will you get Bloodstained 2?
>>721070768Aria of Sorrow Alter, the romhack. Same souls but everything else is different, even the weapon balancing.
>>721069635>Bloodstained is absolute garbage.How? In what way?
>>721069479Buy the castlevania collections.
>>721070772When there's a Switch 2 version announced.
>>721071353It's sad that you even have to ask that question. It has the worst aesthetics that a game could have, it's downright ugly as sin. Music is mediocre. All designs (characters, enemies) are bland and uninspiring. Side quests are just dumb fetch quests. Main story is unapologetically a copy of CV. The whole thing is insipid and drab. I spit on Iga for making such filth and advertising it as a CV spiritual successor when it is just slop for retards.
>>721040036Kojima killed it
has anyone here played v rising and the castlevania stuff in it? seems to be well reviewed.
>>721068970Lol I've seen what the people who call people incels look like. Go lose some weight.
>>721071330Will look into it, thanks anon.
>Mina the hollower>Adventures of simon quest >New 3D CV from platinum games>SoTN remake (2D)castlebros... we are eating good.
>>721073379>>Mina the hollowerisn't that just rollslop
>>721073629more like burrow slop.
>>721069560The original.
>>721073629Mouse girl pussy in my castlemania!
>>721073995>girl
>>721074042Fag.
