You played it today, right?
>>721054310No. I stopped doing it a month ago because it felt like a waste of time instead of just reading. Might just delete the deck and only mine rarer words now>3400 reviews pending
Yeah>tfw brain cannot for the sake of it remember some very specific 20 cards that have evolved past being leeches as they have been there for 4 months straight
>>721054541>>tfw brain cannot for the sake of it remember some very specific 20 cards that have evolved past being leeches as they have been there for 4 months straightSuspend them. It's just a waste of time and enable them later when you see them more in immersion
>>721054452How long have you been playing the game and are you able to play visual novels yet?
>>721054310How do i play?
>>721054629Read this guide made by a fellow anonhttps://learnjapanese.moe/routine/
No, I just woke up. I tend to do my reps around lunch time these days.
>>721054629google ankigoogle core 2.3kdownload deckinstall ankiimport core 2.3kreview all the cards
Yeah and I also watched Lily's show
>>721054613What the fuck is wrong with your subs, dude?
does this shit really worklike is there even a single instance of someone making actual and meaningful progress with this shit to the point of being able to read smut jap vns without assistance in a resonable time frame
>>721054880what might you be referring to?
>>721054541This, except half my deck
>>721055084what do you mean, does it work?It's just flashcards. you ever learned with flashcards? sure it works.You still need to learn grammar and shit from somewhere else.
>>721055140The あ being bold, dude.>>721055084Sure. I was able to read shit after about 6 months, comfortably after about 2 years. I can't even remember the last time I read a trannylation.
>>721055084If you commit to it and don't give up, yes. It works.
Kaishi 1.5k or nothing.Fight me. Core 2k sucks.
>>721055331>The あ being bold知らないです~ Just weird subs I guess desu
>>721055084Get a grammar deck (JLAB)Get a vocab deck (Core 1.9k)Once you finish them you'll be able to read VNs or consume media in general with easy language. If it has VA even better.With some basic stuff on your mind, from there you can kinda "autopilot" it, just keep reading more and more and you'll naturally get better over time. It'll probably take around 8 months to a year to finish those two decks I mentioned.
>>721054310そうだよ。俺はアンキドローンだ
>>721055428Do whatever meme deck you want, all that matters is that you do one, and then start mining.
>>721054541>>721055194So relatable... But I think I have a solution for this problem: add 1-3 example sentences to the front (just Japanese text, no translation/reading). Also, make sure the sentences are very simple with 0 unknown words. If you can't remember the word right away, try reading the examples and it should help. After some time you will notice that you don't even look at the example sentences anymore and recall the word strait away. This is what I'm doing to all new words in my mining deck. I even automated this process with fetching example sentences from tatoeba.org (or generating one with ChatGPT if tatoeba example is missing/too long/just plain bad) when creating cards (I have my own program to import words from a txt file into Anki).
>>721054310it's good for jogging your memory, but I'd rather play vidya and read grammar points or something>>721055084flashcards help you remember. they won't teach you:>word usage (of non-obvious words like とりあえず, あえて, ともかく, わけ, かける, etc.)>differences in usage (you ask or refer to a dictionary of synonyms)>grammar (if you're using a grammar deck it'll take way longer than 5s per card)I've always wondered why language learning is dogshit across all languages.>no focus on phonology. people saying shit like waTAshi and tomoDAchi>no focus on sounding natural. it's absolutelyi grating to hear people begin every sentence with "私は">no lists of FAQs with every question under the sun (e.g. lists of fixed phrases like ごめんください and おあがりください, ご存知とは思いますが... とっくに出かけている)>hiding of complexity (beginner textbooks avoid はvsが like the plague, it takes forever to get to keigo and causative, meanwhile ~させていただきます is everywhere, stuff like ここから先は is nowhere to be found despite being extremely common)>word usage is an afterthought. compare what you see in textbooks vs real life or raw media. the vocabulary won't match, even with that of kids' media. shit like writing an email or letter is a fucking ordeal since you have stuff like those annoying seasonal greetings.>nothing is done to explain similar expressions that overlap. e.g. でvsにて, たびにvsにつけ, だけでなくvsばかりか, わけvs次第です
>>721055596>俺absolutely disgusting
>>721055084Space repetition is like magic, it just works. For vocab anyway, you still need to immerse and study the actual language.
i was studying n2 words from https://japanesetest4you.com/jlpt-n2-vocabulary-list/ and a few months in I realized half this list is not even real n2 words fuck why the fuck do niggas lie on the internet
ねえ、あんたらはどこで練習読み物を読んでいるの?ねえねえ教えてちょうだい、 私も読みたいなのです
>>721056528Lmao, why not just read something and pick words from there?
>>721056557https://reader.ttsu.app/manage
>>721056528just read a japanese newspaper nigga
I think I'm neurologically incapable of learning Japanese. I'm sorry, otaku.
>>721056643これは何です?
>>721054310Gave up learning Japanese like 10 years ago, it was not for me.Too much effort for the benefits.
>>721056110Grown men using 僕 always confused me
>>721056897Sounds like you were doing an awful job. I would put my current benefit:effort ratio at 100:1 after 10 years, and I'd estimate that it'll be around 500:1 by the time I die.
>>721056897you sound jewish, no offense
>>721056930The most popular youtuber in Japan uses 僕 and I can't tell if it's because he's an internet personality or if he actually uses it in normal conversation outside of videos. The dude is 36.
I've been learning Japanese for 10 years and I'm finally probably going to be able to ready basic VNs soon! I'm really excited.
>>721056850It's an ereader for epubs. Unfortunately, the jps got weapons grade drm on their books so you'll have to hope someone cracked what you want to read.https://lolibrary.moe/ can be used to search for cracked books. Sometimes they're in collections instead of being available individually.
>>721056930僕 is actually reasonably formal and appropriately distant. It's a decent pronoun to use at all ages depending on the situation. Why are you so confused? When do you think you're supposed to use it?
>>721057363>Unfortunately, the jps got weapons grade drm on their booksWhat? Dude, ripping epubs is completely trivial, the issue with Japanese work has never been DRM, it has always been legality and interest. Japs don't do it because they're bootlickers, and chinks would rather rip it and only use that version to produce MTL slop.
>>721057148You're joking but that's not too far off from me, I've been learning for 6 years and could probably just about barely read a normal VN.
>>721054452>1600all mined btw
>>721055084Have used it for everything from japanese, multi-variate calculus, to... okay just those two, but it does work.
RTK every day.Anki for revision.Spent about 3 weeks learning just the alphabet. Now I've been 6 weeks chipping away at Kanji, learned 110 characters so far, but only their pictograph and meaning; not the pronunciation or the Japanese/Chinese readings of it.
>>721057685Why are you so lazy?
>>721057824>Now I've been 6 weeks chipping away at Kanji, learned 110 characters so far,I'm just going to tell you right now, you are doing something incredibly wrong. An average rate would be 140 characters a week, you are going at a pace more than 6x slower than that.And you don't know meaning, you know RTK keywords, which might be tied to one meaning if you're lucky.
>>721055084Yes, but it's a tool to reinforce learning, not a means to learn new material (unless you are a turboautist). DJT is littered with the bitter, empty husks of those who tried to power through Core 2k as they started learning.
>>721057824RTK did wonders for me, very glad I spent the time to do it before I dove in. It gets faster as you get used to it. If you're not using kanji.koohii to support, move to it ASAP.Good luck bro.
>>721057148yup, that's me
>>721057904>140That would be 20 characters a day, something that I just cannot do.>And you don't know meaning, you know RTK keywords, which might be tied to one meaning if you're luckyYes, I had my suspicions. Everywhere else I've seen Kanji had multiple meanings.How do I improve my flow?
>>721057904Like 70 a week (10 a day) would be average surely. 140 is pretty hardcore...
>>721057910so what does learning japanese actually look like
>>721055084I've read like 15 light novels this year after locking in and doing srs since last autumn.
>>721054310For me it's jpdb
>>721057981You won't be able to read anything after you're done with your kanji study.
>>721057981I did kanjidamage, not RTK, but it's essentially the same system. What I found useful about kanji study and mnemonics was modifying the existing ones to also include keywords for kunyomi, it has onyomi by default. Some of the mnemonics were gay retard shit so I just made up my own for those.20 a day should take you about 5 to 10 minutes, and your other 200-300 reps from previous days should take around 20-30 minutes. If half an hour a day is too much of an investment for you, you should probably give up now.>>721058001No, 20 a day is average. Hell, after KD I went through core at 50 new cards a day most days, just because most of them were essentially just reinforcement for kanji I already knew.If you don't know a card in 5 seconds, you don't know it, because you're not going to spend 5 seconds staring at it in text.
>>721058229Why would you think that's the end of your kanji study?
>>721057981find the tricks to them>the rikusho. 6 categories of moonrunes. keisei moji are especially important since they have meaning and sound components (e.g. 酒 has the water radical on the left, hinting as to its meaning, 複, 復, 腹, share the reaing フク)>5 categories of compounds: similar meanings (落下, 上昇), opposites (海山, 上下), former modifies latter (洋服, 外人), latter is object or complement of former (殺人, 登山, 閉店), former negates latter (moonrunes of negation) (非常, 無礼, 否定, 不正, 未定)>pay attention to radicals, or rather, the 300~ish unique parts omonrunes are made of>naritachi and etymology occasionally help>some runes share kun-yomi. 睡 and 眠 have ねむる(sleep) and form 睡眠(sleep), 歓 and 喜 have よろこぶ(rejoice) and form 歓喜(joy), 選 and 択 have えらぶ(choose) and form 選択(choice), etc.>mnemonics and drawings. sometimes they help>learning to write obviously helps (muscle memory). stroke orders can be guessed in like 98% of casesmoonrune instruction is sorely lacking in the west for some reason. kanken autists have a ton of tricks they resort to
>>721055084have you never studied before in your life?
>>721059669You'd be surprised how many students have never really studied anything, not even once.
>>721059669yes I did study something and it almost never involved a substantial amount of rot memorization
>>721054310FUCK I'M SORRY I FORGOT
>>721054310Always do, even if it's 1 am in the morning. Retarded question though, how miserable will it be trying to play dangitgrandpa if I only have Kaishi 1.5 and half of Tae Kim's guide under my belt?
>>721057098Its just a colloquial way of addressing yourself, not strange for a youtube personality at all.
>>721059741This is more because schooling is designed around the retards, and so without any challenge to overcome, anyone with an IQ over room temperature passes with zero effort. They train you wrong on purpose, to make you weak and easily controlled.
>>721059084I'm questioning whether there's any point in studying kanji in isolation. Are you gonna go through all 常用漢字?
>>721057910>who tried to power through Core 2k as they started learning.I did this and it worked.The key is to start reading ASAP before the motivation leaves your body.Actually putting the language to use and unlocking material you never had access to before carried me through 5+ years of learning the language.
I'm gonna start reading a new VN tomorrow, I could use some help choosing. It's gonna be either Ooe, Meteor World Actor or Ouka Sabaki.Honestly Ooe seems to be the best according to some reviews I've seen and the setting seems really interesting but it's BL and I don't know if if I can just skip past the gay parts or if they're important and if there's a lot of them.>>721060030It doesn't matter too much what you choose as your first game, it's gonna be slow and difficult anyway. That said, the trial minigames might be a bit harder because you'll have to read things on a timer and choose the correct word or spell things or that kind of stuff but you shouldn't get stuck, it might just take you a few tries.
>>721060103There's a great point to breaking up the process. Learning 1.) meaning, 2.) reading #1, 3.) reading #2, 4.) an unfamiliar bunch of lines all at the same time is kinda miserable. There's a reason most English natives hate the process, and why most foreign learners of Japanese can barely read a children's comics after years of legitimate coursework where their peers in other languages are often already engaging in short novels. It's that tackling all four of these aspects at once with each kanji in isolation is a grueling task that most learners are not prepared to power through.RTK aims to break this cycle by targeting the most unfamiliar part of this, and the one that has a structure that you can learn to help when you encounter unfamiliar examples in the future. It tries to also engender similar pathways (focusing on particles and how they are assembled) that native readers build an intuition for and often learn to exploit to excel at. The other parts are relatively trivial to learn once you have that part in hand.If you're rushing to read a VN as soon as possible, RTK is probably not for you. If you are serious about reading Japanese like an adult.>>721060193You are the 1%. Congratulations. That does not mean it is a good way, or a way worth recommending to the beginner.
What was the site where you could learn by reading Yotsubato? I lost the link and I can't find it in google anymore. Does anybody know what I'm talking about even?
>>721054310no
>>721060449I don't see this as a point at all, actually.When I was done with kanji study, I could recognise and guess a reading of 90% of all kanji I saw, and I was right probably 70% of the time. When I was half done with RTK 10 years earlier, I could recognise a few kanji and say some meaningless keywords. The effort required to add readings to your mnemonic is essentially zero, it's like a 5% increase in mental effort for a massive increase in the feeling of accomplishment.
>>721054310i "play" it every dayhowever i also "play" other stuffit's hard, but also pretty fun金星 is my new favourite
>>721054310Don't need to
post yomitan setups
I'm at the point where I can read porn or children's manga and know the majority of the words and enjoy it, it feels great. I'm dreading the next time I try to read an actual book and feel the crushing despair of how little I actually know.
>>721056110thisif a person is not using watakushi, their posts are not worth reading
>>721060980>no pronunciation dictionary at the top>no kotowaza, yojijukugo, and expressions dictionaries at the topyou really need to step it up
>>721058001I'm an RTK defender but if you're doing less than 25 a day you're doing something wrong. It shouldn't take you more than three months to get through.
>>721061120huh what u meanthe accent dictionary is right there, so are the yojijukugo and kotowaza ones. i don't need to put them at the top because they're there to fill in when the main dictionaries fail. also they're all monolingual
>>721057952>kanji.koohiiI was pretty happy when their message board went under. There were some world-class autists on that board who would brag about their SRS retention rate and flame anyone who disagreed with their methods.
>>721060749Great, I have no clue what your 'kanji study' was, but good for you. Saying you think it could be better (sure! agreed!), that it didn't work for you (fine! that's OK), or that you think it's wasted time (disagree! but I'd have to know what you're comparing it to) is fine and reasonable. Saying you don't see the point at all either seems incredibly disingenuous or reflective of you not actually be able to reflect on your experience at all.
>Recognize word in anki deck every time>The word comes up during immersion>Don't recognize itI hate this so much
I recently learned that you can just ask chatgpt to explain the grammar of a sentence or the nuances of words or kanji and it will do it, it's fucking amazing.
>>721061273You have literally 0 ability to tell when its bullshitting you and when it's not. What a dumbass fucking way for a dumbass like you to wreck yourself.
>>721061273posts like this really hit home how we're already so fucking cooked
>>721061197>they're there to fill in when the main dictionaries failsee this is the problem. specialized dictionaries come first, then the general ones. the former have more thorough/complete definitionsalso>>721061232you're probably recognizing the picture instead of the word when you flip the card. try to read the words to yourself or something
no but....
I can read read visual novels but I can't even write elementary school level kanji lul
>>721061707>play game for 700 days in a row>still no progressさすがduolingoで学ぶだけのことはある
>>721061221Why do you talk like such a passive aggressive faggot?I told you I did RTK, and it was worthless. From the 10 year break I mentioned, you could infer that I found it so worthless that it made me give up on the language for a decade. I'm not talking from theory here, I'm talking from personal experience with the material.Breaking up the process just creates more points of failure. The most important aspect in language learning is getting to the point at which reading is comfortable, and RTK DELAYS this point, which is why it's awful. You can learn Japanese after doing 5 years of duolingo and then 5 years of real study, but going back and saying "no duolingo was good actually because otherwise I wouldn't have started!" is absurd.
>>721061753I can read academic research papers but I can't even write kana by hand anymore, get on my level.
>>721061538>see this is the problem. specialized dictionaries come first, then the general ones. the former have more thorough/complete definitionsi don't need a thorough definition because the actual acquisition of the word in its many nuances comes from immersion. i just need to know enough of what it means to comprehend how it was used in the context i didn't understand. if the simpler definition fails to convey that then i scroll down to the other definitions, and consequently read more japanese overall as a result
>>721061538>the pictureI don't have pictures in my deck but if you meant the word as a picture as opposed to recognizing the individual radicals in the kanjis then I guess
>It's another NHKeasy article about it raining a lot
>>721054310>start learning japanese>this thread shows upwtf
>>721061707And how do you feel about your Japanese skill level after nearly 2 years of that?
>>721061273I don't know why people are replying to this like it's a crime against humanity when it's really a good learning tool. There's times I understand all or most of the words in a sentence but I don't understand the exact meaning of the sentence itself and then the AI breakdown helps me.
>>721062336it's literally 90% of what the actual news talks about lately too. always going on about ゲリラ雷雨
>>721062071>acquisition>immersionwhy are these buzzwords so prevalent in jap learning circles? you don't "acquire words." you learn their associated linguistic features, nuances, connotations, and what other words they collocate with. "immersion" has become this stupid, vague bogus buzzword online communities use to beat themselves up every day (I just need to read more, yes read more), which delays actually using the language (proper sentences, not broken japanese). then you end up with questions like "what's the difference between "方向, 方面, 方角, 方位, etc.goddammit even japs have realized at this point that "just sucking in words" won't teach them english https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEfOY0HL-74
>>721062667I'm not paying for your patreon tatsumoto
>>721054310Huh? Why use Anki when I can just make 1 million localization seethe threads and think about trannies all day?
>>721054310Why should I learn Japanese?
>>721057148>>721057685Are you fucking kidding me? it takes that long to be able to read Japanese novels?
>>721054310I went on a drunken bender 2 weeks ago and haven't worked up the courage to get back into it. I should.
I'm just using this site https://cijapanese.com/landingComplete beginner is the only level i can understand, i also have Genki 1 but am too lazy to use it
>>721063021you can learn it in two years if you put in a few hours by day
Please tell me how to learn Kanji, Wani Kani method is terrible and i hate Anki, writing them down individually is a lot of work too.
>>72105798110 is much better and if you feel more confident switch to 20 some days. Personally I think 20 can be a lot and can burn you out
>>721063303Writing is not worth it. Honestly anki is the best option and kaishi 1.5 is the best for beginners
>>721063110This is pimsleur level garbage.
>>721063432No it's not.
Whatever you do, avoid /djt/ like the plague. That place is completely pozzed.
>>721054310>been meaning to make Anki deck based on old Biochem and PCAT study materials so I can get a refresher Hoo boy that sounds like a lot of work that will likely make me very, very bored.
>>721063401What do you use after you are done with kaishi 1.5?
How do you start practicing output? After seeing the damage ESLs did to my internet I don’t think I can bring myself to go ruin the Japanese internet.
>>721063620Consuming Japanese content.
>>721063571yeah its bad
>>721054310>>721054310>>721054310Okay who has the learn Jap resource links?
of course, I can read most twitter posts that come up on my feed thanks to it :^)some days it feels like I made huge progress and some days I feel like I know barely anything but it's fun and I still have motivation to learn and engage with the language besides grinding anki mindlessly I really should get into 'real' reading but I'm too lazy
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1dSSvUb__gtjKHHsen1t0MGrxmnHi0N7h/viewthis has level 0 reading text and is super good for beginners.
>>721054310I was consistent for a month but now I have 300 reviews and I don't know how re-enter. And this might be a dumb question but how do you start attemping to read
>>721063803I dont know how people spend a long time using anki, i personally finish a deck in less than 10 minutes because i know most of the words.
>>721063064You can do it!
>>721063878How many cards per day?
>>721063673Tough shit. English is the biggest language in the world. An English native learning JP, a niche language used in a single small country and nowhere else in the world, is naturally something that natives should be flattered by. You chose to learn Japanese over Spanish, French, Portugese, Chinese, etc. If they don't understand this and treat you hospitably, they lack logical thinking in their brain and thus can be ignored.
Man, I am so jealous of you Japanese learners. You've got so many good tools and resources.I'd kill to have something like mokuro, jimaku or an actual good dictionary like 新明解 or 大辞林.>t. filtered at N3 level, became a Mandarin learner instead
Anyone here knows japanese and have ever had to write anything? i rarely have to write something down in English.I'm probably going to skip writing and just focus on reading and listening.
>>721064007>>721064007>>721064007Do you guys have resources for like French or Spanish?
>>721063762https://github.com/donkuri/japanese-resources
>>721063878well, I started as a complete beginner with the 6k deck, did about 2,8k cards of that then started my own deck which sits around 2,6k cards now, mostly doing the reviews nowadays
>>721054310Yea, just doing the vocab reps is ez mode; it's the grammar I'm struggling with, specifically like N4 grammar. 尊敬語 and 丁寧語 is kicking my ass and I keep forgetting if I'm supposed to conjugate shit in て form or ます stem form. I'm hoping that if I just keep reading/playing my vidyas in nihongo, I'll eventually stop fucking it up.
>>721055084No, what you need is a way to learn using analogies. For example, fish is "sakana" in Japanese. Imagine putting a sack on a fish.
>>721064065Yes, why wouldn't there be resources? French and Spanish are the most widely studied non-English languages in the world.
>>721056096>>no focus on phonology. people saying shit like waTAshi and tomoDAchi>>no focus on sounding natural. it's absolutelyi [sic] grating to hear people begin every sentencei with "私は"You shadow people. E.g. you watch a movie/TV/audio and try to pronounce it like the guy. >>word usage is an afterthought. compare what you see in textbooks vs real life or raw media. the vocabulary won't match, even with that of kids' media. shit like writing an email or letter is a fucking ordeal since you have stuff like those annoying seasonal greetings.It sucks but those are specialized. It's like how you learn math in high school: sure functions are the foundations of math, but it's not going to prepare you for riemann spheres. The best you can do is get as much native text in your target language, understand how that works, and go from there. Don't just translate English to Japanese, get as much Japanese to Japanese text as possible so you can replicate it.
I discovered いろいろな日本語 Youtube channel and was able to understand 80% of what he said in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe8AV2VcGoEI'm so proud of myself.
>>721064325how long have you been learning
>>721064189Just read more. Grammar study is a joke, you need a bare minimum to get started but past that it's just osmosis.
>>721064056Writing is difficult however in my opinion you should try to focus equally on reading, listening, speaking, and writing, because your proficency on one corner of this "language box" expands the total boundary of your WHOLE box, if you get what I mean. If you keep pushing in only two corners, not only do you end up with a strange shape (huge cultural gaps in your vocab), but it's harder to rectify it once you go back to improve your neglected skills.Writing is definitely the least important though. If you absolutely don't want to and are certain you'll never need to use it, then you can skip it, I guess.
>>7210643731 year
>>721064404how in the fuck? can you share your secret?
>>721054452That's exactly what you're supposed to do. I stopped mine 6 months ago after 3 years of non-stop studying. But now that I have a solid base and can actually read shits I no longer need to use Anki.
>>721064056The only time I write Japanese is when I write a kanji I don’t know into google translate
>>721064435I sleep 1 hour a day
>>721062917>yeeeeeeeees goy, just read, read, reeeeeeeeead. nevermind that you talk like a babyyou're like metafaggot tourneyfags who diss anything that isn't part of the prescribed meta held up by their favorite ecelebs and then do a complete 180 the moment the list changes
>tfw you will never be Nihonjin even if you know the language
>>721064664That's cool tatsu. Why don't you go back to cloning the yomitan repository down to the word and every commit
>>721054310First thing in the morning.
>>721064672that's just a fact you have to accept, it doesn't mean you can't enjoy their cultural output or make friends
>>721064720>anyone who disagrees with me must be some shady internet scammerwhat is this schizobabble? I literally recommended a synonyms dictionary and a thesaurus, not a website
>>721054310>flash cardAre you taking a Japanese test or something?Just read stuff. Seeing how words are actually used in sentences is how you really learn. Just reading kanji off flashcards won’t help you connect them to anything
>>721064664>nevermind that you talk like a babyWhat does speaking in Japanese have to do with reading/playing vidya in Japanese? You know forming sentences and reading sentences are two different skills, right?
>>721064830
>>721064952Seeing words in context is important, but how can you read a sentence like ‘This is a red apple’ if you don’t even know what ‘red’ or ‘apple’ means? You need a foundation first.
>>721061753>>721062059You've become a true nipponjin.
I learned 20k cards in three years. AMA
>>721065310How many new cards do you add every day? How many reviews do you do every day?
>>721065214That dude sounds like a total fucking retard if he forgot to write after writing daily in school for 14 years.
What helped learn Japanese is listening to JPOP and JROCK music for 20 years and in some days i even spend the whole day listening to Japanese music. i also played a lot of games in Japanese dub and watched a lot of anime. i only started seriously learning the language about a year ago.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzuuxp7dsxQ
>>721065214>he doesn't soragakingmi
>>721065118find something to read that matches your level, even if it’s a picture bookjap kids didn’t start off reading eroge either
>>721064952what the other anon saidand the most used decks have example sentences for every single word, even if you make your own deck you can add sentences
got too hard to keep up with the reviews every single daythe classes I was taking were giving me so much shit to load into my anki after like 10 months I was having like 300-400 a day, god forbid I miss a day and it doublesswitched to wanikani a month ago and the pace is alot more comfortable but fuck me it's got me doing shit like 上 and 水wish there was a way to skip ahead
>>721065416Jap kids already know thousands of words before learning to read though
>>721065398Understanding Japanese lyrics is the final boss of learning Japanese, literally some songs even Japanese native people don't understand it.
>>721065457>retarded cat poster is a wanikani shillTale as old as time.Enjoy that "comfortable pace" as you learn almost nothing and take 50 years to learn how to read.
>>721054310I installed a few decks about a month ago and even started playing Ace Attorney on the side to mine words. Not the best game I could've picked, but it's been fun.
>>721065360Varies wildly. First thing I ever did was to disable the setting that adds a specific number of new cards every day, and instead choose the number manually whenever I did my daily study. Early on, I would often add 100+ new cards every day, but as time progressed, I moved down to 50 and eventually to 10-20. When I finished my prebuilt 10k deck, adding new cards slowed down a bit as I had to start mining words myself, but sped up again when I began studying names of Japanese people and places. I always made sure that my daily reviews were kept to a reasonable number that I could finish in less than an hour. They probably peaked somewhere around 500-600 per day.
>>721065867I already know all the grammar and I know how to readI started on 敬語 like last week and trying to get faster at readingjuggling classes, a job, free time, and like 500 fuckass flashcards everyday ain't it, spacing out bits and pieces I can knock out on my phone or tablet at lunch or on the train works way better
>>721066027You know you can do anki on your phone, right? Well, at this point you've probably got 2k reps due anyway so it's already over for you.
>>721064325i watched first 2 minutes and i can kinda understand what he's saying, but that's because some things are apparent from the context, and also i read youtsuba. i wouldn't say i can 100% understand what he's saying as if i was a native speaker or something, it's more like guesswork in some places and prior knowledge.i've also been learning for about a year slowly
>>721066091I literally bought the app I'm well awarewanikani with tsurukame is just more comfortable also the UI isn't shit
>>721054629>>721054726The core 2.3k is rote memorization and it's boring and shit. I've found a much better deck called Jlab's beginner course, it teaches grammar and words simultaneously by showing you examples directly lifted from anime. It's nicely paced, easy at the beginning and every next card is teaching you a new concept uses concepts from the previous cards, every card has a long detailed explanations, links and sources for further reading. It's very well made it's what I would recommend everyone who's beginner at Japanese.https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/911122782It's best consumed with 10 new cards per day to not get overwhelmed by hundreds of reviews and then you abandon it. Even with that seemingly low number of new cards you'll get through the entire thing in less than a year and you'll actually get a very solid foundation of Japanese.
>>721064435nta but yeah I could understand about that amount tooI'm about a year in of 4-5 hours a day excluding holidays and sometimes weekends when I didn't feel like it
>>721066270Your opinions don't really matter, do they? I would much rather listen to someone who actually knows Japanese.
>>721063673unironically, move to japanforcing me to use it has helped alotI still fucking suck at speaking though since I will forget some grammar when I have to apply it on the fly
>>721064265No I was wondering if you guys have any resources from French or SpanishLike how you guys have stuff for Jap ready to go
>>721066507are you guys getting paid to shit up the site? No matter the board, faggots like you with your weird dismissive smug narcissistic posts are there.
>check /djt/ out of curiosity>still a schizo centrali'm convinced there's like 5 posters in that thread total
>>721066270i used this deck, finished it some time agoit's nice, but the audio and especially the pictures make it way too obvious to just guess what the meaning of the sentence is, and as such i find it actually detrimental to the learning process
>>721067046Like any general, really. Look at the shame that is the dall3 thread. Most pathetic shit on /v/.
>>721066270Kaishi 1.5k is the best one for beginners rn
>>721056557小説の場合は「https://bookwalker.jp/」を使っています。携帯を日本語に設定したら、アプリも書籍を日本語で表示します。支払わなければなりませんが、海外では最高の最高の書籍以外は見つけにくすぎて、私にとっては取引として十分に価値があります。漫画ならどこでも簡単に手に入ります。
Paused all new and disabled N3 until the end of the year. Taking the N4 in December. Also doing daily bun pro.
>>721063021No youre being baitedIf you study for one hour every day then in a year to be able to read 90% of the languageFrequency learning shows you the majority of the vocabulary used commonly so all you need to learn is grammar to matchSimple as
>>721067876
>>721054310It's been so long. I've tried many times but after a few days/weeks I couldn't be bothered to continue.
>>721061273>>721062440I agree, it's a great way to break down a sentence and fully get a grasp of everything although I wouldn't rely too much on it. Not only are you incapable of telling whether the AI is bullshitting you or not, but it's an easy way to build bad habits out of it. It's pretty similar to using other translation tools when you can't make sense of something in particular, very handy to keep around but it can very easily lead to having it do most of the work for you
>>721068059You are simply not angry enough. I was reading VNs in English for several years, and I kept getting more and more angry from the trannylations. Constant errors, leaving out honorifics, americanizing certain things. I couldn't take it, so I just learned the language. You need something that will make you mad.
>>721068050Stop looking at qualifications, they arent a measurement of fluencyLearning to read is easy and takes way less time than this
>>721068240>t. someone who doesn't actually know how to read Japanese
>>721068240That's true. N1 is nowhere near fluent. No, you won't be able to read VNs without looking up new words every few minutes for a while even after getting it. Plus all that shit that has "usually written in kana"? You will see all of it written in kanji eventually when the writer decides to be chuuni or fancy, so you need to know it.t. N1
>>721067876>If you study for one hour every day then in a year to be able to read 90% of the languagelol>>721068240lmao
Never ask an ankidrone to formulate and speak out a full sentence.
>>721068240jlab shill detected
Is using OCR to translate & read raw manga better than using Anki?It's been a while because of life stuff but I want to dip my toes back in without going crazy and burning out
Hey look Lois, the thread's getting raided by DJT trolls!
>>721068561literally me, I'm shy
>perma-dekinais over on /djt/ have to ask for timestamp in order to believe someone could actually do thisgrimwotd及び難い
>>721054310I didn't like Anki when I was using it. I've used a lot of different resources and honestly I just think I'm too stupid to learn.
japanese is a mickey mouse languagelook at how many characters and phonics you need even for simple questions or statementsenglish is the best language then german then portugese
>>721068649No, retard.
Mined these today乱れ牡丹 みだれぼたん sitting sex position 岩清水 いわしみず facesitting御所車 ごしょぐるま type of cowgirl where the girl rotates 360 degrees
>>721068949>germankys kraut
>>721067876>If you study for one hour every day then in a year to be able to read 90% of the languageLEMAO, source: my ass
>>721063021>>721067876So which is it, /v/?
>>721068949>english is the best languagecould you spell the word "mercedes" for me out loud?
>>721069086both are bullshithow fast you'll be able to read things depends on too many factors to reliably determine that it takes "X hours" flat.anyone that tells you otherwise is a dunce
>>721067249True
>>721069139Good morning
>>721054310I usually play it after lunch.Blog tangent incoming, but help me out with a personal dilemma if you would /v/ros.>continue working 20h/week, move to comfy wfh QA job for the next 6 months and get to save up some money >BUT along with other constraints like family and pets needing extra care don't have the time to get better at game and am forced to persist in stagnation if I'm to balance it out with actually finishing college, which I'd also not be able to put as much time towardsor>let contract run out in a month and run with the bit I've made which should at least keep me afloat for now, most importantly freeing up time which I can hopefully use towards freeing myself from the college conundrum in a timely fashion once and for all, while also having more free time to invest and really get into the game among other pursuits>BUT pass up super comfy job in the grand scheme of things I'd love to actually be able to keep working in if I had to choose a job to stick to long-term (granted as a regular worker, not on a student contract), along with short-term passing up on saving a few thousand eurobucks I could spend on nifty shit later onI don't feel like any choice will be satisfying.
>>721068967why not
>>7210690861 if you spend 14h a day on it as a neet 2-4 is a more normal estimate for most peopleBut as the other guy said it depends on a lot of factors
>>721068649Just use mokuro https://nyaa.si/view/1883088load into https://reader.mokuro.app/can make your own if you know what a cmd line is https://github.com/kha-white/mokuro
>>721069139This joke is about three decades too old for most people on /v/ to get.
>>721055428>Kaishi 1.5kIm doing thisClose to 1400 wordsWhat do i do when im done?
>>721068949>portugueseporquê
>>721069262nta but just use bilingualmanga or whatever the name was
>>721069086The truth is somewhere in the middle. It's the exact same with any skill, really - don't expect to be comfortable for a long while. But if it takes you longer than four years then something is going wrong with your learning and you need to reevaluate your approach.
>>721069356Start making your own deck. It'll be a pain in the ass at first but it'll get easier as you go
most of /djt/ has been at it for literal years but still can't write a single sentence that isn't baby tier. that's who's giving you advice right now
>>721069336sounds about right, i'm 42
>>721069482>>721069139wheres the trip qm?
>>721068980>御所車 ごしょぐるま type of cowgirl where the girl rotates 360 degreesis there a video of this? i want to witness it.
>>721068949TRVKE
>>721069514no idea what you mean, i never used a trip in my life, sorry
>>721069139>>721069336i dont get it can you please explain?
>>721069259If you think you can finish college while working and you might have a job at the company then I would suggest to tough it out.But if not, then I would suggest just focusing on finishing college and getting that responsibility off your back.
>>721059131Thanks for the tipsJapanese learn future one four eight eight
>>721054310I already beat the game
>>721069518https://www.fuzoku-move.net/special/sex-potison-gosyoguruma.htmlJust some visual aid from a guide
>>721060980>>721061120This too
>>721060980do you really need that many dictionaries?
>>721061797How do you translate だけ?Never found a good answer like i did for ばかり or 掛か/ける
>>721062237I think he meam you picture the whole sentience instead of just the wordYou mentally remember it as a whole
>>721054310There is no "optimal" or "right" way to learn a language, you just have to try shit and see what sticks to you. Japanese learners are incredibly lucky in that they have so many tools and resources available compared to the average language.
>>721054310I've never used Anki in my life. I just play video games and read raw manga. Seems like an extra amount of work unless you want to pass N1 or something I guess but I'm not wasting my time learning words I'll never need to know
>>721070270You managed to fully figure out かける?
>>721064007>learning JP, a niche language used in a single small country and nowhere else in the world, is naturally something that natives should be flattered byDo japs respect you if they find out you took your time to actually learn japanese?
>>721064672But your kids can
>>721070543yes, they'll tell you 日本語上手, the highest compliment there is
>>721064672I don't want to be Japanese, and I say that with full respect. I love being American.
>>721066091>anki on your phoneWait really? Tell me please
>>721070630I uno reverse carded them, and told them their japanese isn't half bad either.
>>721070708https://apps.apple.com/us/app/ankimobile-flashcards/id373493387https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ichi2.ankiYes, iphone users have to pay for it
>>721070270>だけjust/onlywhat problems do you have with it?
>>721070714さすが外人様
>tfw going back to them yesterday after taking a break for a monthaaaaaaaa
>>721070543they wont necessarily respect you given the current nationalist climate across the entire population however they are too polite to be rude and will superficially complement you
>>721070778you can just use ankiweb for free
>Spending so much time and effort learning japanese in order to read VNs, the bottom of the worst works of fictions produced by japanI learn japanese in hope of one day meeting yumika saeki to ask her to rim my asshole and I legit feels like it's a more constructive goal than any of you retards.VN is a dead fucking genre propulsed by mediocre wannabe authors because of indie desire autism back 20 years ago, you old farts really are stuck in the 2000s.
>>721070849Set your daily review limit to 9999
>>721070938that's not the problem, the problem is cycling through a bunch of ones that i forgot and need to relearn
>>721070539Yeah its very similar to a verb we have in our language, is very similar to 置く, so for that word i use the english verb to put instead of our verb.Makes it easy to remember
>>721063303If you're using pre made decks just stop, they're an ok option if you want to learn a lot of vocabulary but the default settings are way too overtuned and a lot of the vocabulary you'll learn you probably won't need anyways so it's just going to lead you to burnout. If you're at a level where you can somewhat comfortably read stuff you're interested in I suggest to just keep at it and make your own deck out of the vocabulary you think you'll need or that will stick with you. It's a lot of work but there are a lot of ways to automate it and it's a good motivator to keep reading since you'll keep running out of words to mine and will need more material.
>>721070778when did it came out?I remember search it but it wasnt on the playstore
>>721070787sometimes it feels like that isnt the meaning, like in the duolingoで
>>721071107Jul 21, 2014
>>721070856Our countries were technically allies in ww2 and ww1 so i don't think they would be mad, im also pale like them
>>721071107dunno but the anki site links to it
>>721071224https://www.tofugu.com/japanese-grammar/dake/would that be helpful?
>>721071224https://nihongokyoshi-net.com/2020/02/19/jlptn5-grammar-dake/
>>721071224I think you're confused by phrases like だけに that's used for puns
>>721071380>>721071487So i can think of ばかり and だけ as 類語?
>>721071679If not straight up 同意語
best anki deck ka
>>721071843The one I mined myself
>>721071890share dekiru?
>>721071679https://nihongokyoshi-net.com/2019/11/27/jlptn4-grammar-bakari/>It refers to having a lot of the same thing, or doing the same thing repeatedly. It's often used in a negative sense.
>>721071679they're contexually different. ばかり emphasizes excess
>>721071679i think it's more like >it's just Xvs>it's nothing but Xor some such, don't quote me on that though
>>721071936The point is to mine it yourself.You can find a core6k or something deck if you just want common words.
>>721070923good thing people can use the acquired knowledge for other stuff
>>721071991So 余り?>>721071942>>721072047Cant bakari right after a past verb imply it just happen (like not long ago just a few moments ago)?
>>721070923i don't think many anons are doing it just for vns desuif anything manga or video games are the usual culprits
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