There has literally never been a more vindicating time to be a Sonic fan. What the fuck happened in the last five years?
>>721067837Sonic was always cooler than Mario. Mario loses the moment a kid has access to Sonic
>>721067837Sonic Team stepped up. Yuji Naka also got fired.
>>721067837Sonic Generations got censored so it doesn't count. The other stuff? Yeah. Mario is well and btfo.
The passion of Kishimoto
Does Blaze wear pants or not
>>721067837>>721067923>>721067985SA2?Peak
>>721068089Yes
>>721068089It's very obviously pants.
>>721068047>Mario is well and btfo.Mario gets 9s and 10s every year from shit that is seen as inconsequential, while anything above mediocrity is seen as some great comeback for Sonic.Also the Mario Movie made 3x as much as Sonic did. Good for Sonic for not being shit anymore, but a movie and two games (one a spinoff, and the other being glorified DLC for the last 3D Sonic game that wasn't shit) isn't exactly btfoing Mario anytime soon.
we’ve done this song and dance before >game that does better than expected critically (Colors/ Frontiers)>subpar “classic” style game (4 / Superstars)>Sonic Generations>Mario Kart “killer” (Transformed / Crossworlds)it’s all downhill from here
>>721067837>DemolitionD declares Sonic Advemture 1 to be a great gamePeople were wrong about sonic for a long time. Even when the games sucked there was no reason to give up on the franchise.
>>721068207Mario is gay and retarded as a franchise and the mario movie sucked balls. I don't hate playing the mario games but I never remember them.
>>721068280Let's be real, the Sonic and Mario movies both suck balls.
>>721068210There was not a highly successful movie franchise attached to the IP in the 2010s, anon.
>>721068207Sonic is finally getting positive reviews from IGN.Mario is opening theme parks.They are not in the same universe to anyone other than deranged Sonicfags.
>>721068554Fuck you, now you have me imagining a Sonic theme park. Think of the rollercoasters you could have. And the music too.
>>721068501all the more reason for Sega to get complacent once more and shit the bed as they do
>>721068212>DemolitionDWHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO??????????????
>>721068554This isn't quite the slam dunk argument you think it is.Mario is opening theme parks and enjoying that level of success because he is like Mickey Mouse: a sterile, unflinching cartoon mascot that is safe and can be stamped onto pretty much any product you choose. He is rounded, cuddly, and inoffensive. He is designed to be as broad and marketable as possible, which is fine, but doesn't leave much else to him. There is no personality there beyond 'OKEY DOKEY, WAHOO!' His own brother is the more interesting character. Plus the setting is the most generic candy-coloured thing imaginable. There is no real danger, no mystery.Meanwhile, Sonic's universe has a bit more grit and edge to it. People die, permanently. There is lore. Cool music. I'm not going to act like it's the bloody Iliad, but there is actual stuff to latch onto. It damages the potential for broad appeal, but it's undeniably a more interesting universe than Mario's.
>>721068554Mario wants to be the next Mickey Mouse so bad. I wouldn't be surprised if Miyamoto already has ideas for his own country like Walt did with Epcot.
>>721068893Anon. Sonic is a cartoon rodent.
>>721068893> Sonic's universe has a bit more grit and edge to itsure, in the 2000s. Today? Lmao.
>>721068893Honestly I wish Sonic was more like the OVA nowadays. The more dramatic moments in stuff like Frontiers didn't do it for me. Felt a little silly honestly.
>>721068893You left out the part where Mario consistently has really good games and Sonic games have largely been shit.
>censored remaster>movie slopSure, if you like Sonic being a merchandise franchise it's a good time but for those who like VIDEO GAMES (remember where you are) it's still as bad as ever.
>>721067837Sega started treating it as a flagship franchise again and bought out the reviewers.That's the only difference. The quality is just as bad.
>>721067985Yuji Naka quit in 2005, dude. He had nothing to do with Sonic other than being CEO of the Balan Wonderworld company that they outsourced Sonic Superstars to. Then he got imprisoned right when the game was getting conceptualized so he literally had nothing to do with Sonic for 20 years at this point.
>>721068089i need art of her not wearing pants now
>>721068712>ride spins you to 9000rpm and launches you through bumpersfund it
what's the best 3d sonic game?
>makes sixtillion dollars>cultural impact of a wet fart and nobody even remembers it a week after releaseHow does this happen?
>>721070190Official? Sonic adventureFan? Sonic robo blast 2
>>721070283Illumination. They make pretty movies that make gangbusters, but their writing is as boringly basic as it gets.
>>721068207Deduct the nintendo bonus and you'll get the real score.
>>721070084
>>721070372>sa1>better than just okay
>>721070283I don't really care for mario or sonic but when I watched this movie there was a lot of children in the theater.
>>721070283I liked it. Comparing it to the first Sonic movie it's probably like a thousand times better.
>>721067837Sonic was always good
>>721070190Sonic adventure 2.
>>721070558I agree it's better than Sonic Movie 1, but man it's going to take a lot for the Mario movies to surpass Sonic Movie 3, that's the perfect video game movie adaptation imo
>>721067837I'm glad people liked the move (never saw it).Shame the games aren't very good yet.
>>721070675Sadly Sonic has no better story to tell than SA2, not even close. Without diving into the comics, and that's a lawsuit waiting to happen.
>>721070675Sonic 3 was surprisingly fun, even though I wish they could've played Live and Learn in it's entirety. Sonic 1 was a very generic kids movie and I felt genuine embarrassment watching Sonic 2.
>>721070504It's got the schmovement. Levels are so open and have possibilities to go real fast if you know what to do, sa2 kind of still has that, but not really. Everything after is more on rails progressively
>>721070798The next one seems to be a mix of Sonic CD and bit of Sonic Heroes, I think it could work, the director and writers convinced me they know this franchise pretty good.
>>721070835You could tell the people who made Sonic 1 & 2 didn't like or understand Sonic, but those who made Sonic 3 were big fans. The Mario movie was also made by big fans, and it looks like the sequel will see the corpos stepping back on the idiotic decisions like replacing Mario music with Take on Me.
>>721070675>that's the perfect video game movie adaptation imoGet real. I can accept someone liking it as a film, but as an adaptation it sucks ass
>>721067837>censored port>movies>racing gsme with day-1 $30 dlc
>>721070440Do add 10 points to the score.
>>721071014What was censored? Post it.
>>721070978>You could tell the people who made Sonic 1 & 2 didn't like or understand SonicWeren't they made by the same dudes? I wouldn't be surprised if Sonic 1 was so generic due to executives not wanting to take a risk. After it was a hit, they gave them a little bit more freedom for 2 and then let them go all out with 3. Hopefully that means 4 will be pure Sonic.
>>721071014Just so all other anons are aware of the level of retardation they are dealing with, whenever someone mentions the 'censorship' of Shadow Generations they are talking about two inches of cloth added to the back of Rouge the Bat's costume.These are the straws they must clutch at to make the series look bad nowadays.
Amy solo game when
>>721071014>these well-received things inextricably associated with the brand being discussed don't count because... well, because I say they don't, okay?!
>>721071207I blame AVGN. Nobody focused on the negative before that.
>>721071014yeah, rouge's tits were more covered upthey also rewrote the generations part REALLY weirdly...Shadow generations however, is REALLY good.Ideally you should play the OG generations and then pick up the shadow generations half of the package.>>721071207they're always inconsistent and weird about rouge's boobs. sometimes they're there in all their glory, sometimes they're covered... It's weird.
>>721071425>Shadow generations however, is REALLY good.I hear people say this a lot but I've never played it. I didn't like Generations.
>>721071425I mean, it's good, because it's essentially DLC for Generations and Generations was good, but it's really short, and despite that it still felt like it dragged on. They can do better, and worse, oh so much worse.
>>721071583I thought it went on for just the right amount of time and paid alot of respect to Shadow in the process.
>>721071425>Shadow guarding Maria's hymen with his life
>>721070675Based and Truthpilled, Mario movies are stuck with dog shit illumination and all their movies are just pure slop which Mario Movie 1 felt like in areas.
>>721071547I'm not sure how you'd feel about it...
>>721067837>What the fuck happened Personally I think the whole ugly sonic thing was where the "redemption" arc started.The fact that they were willing to go back and fix it rather than doing what every other company does now and tell its fans and customers to get fucked earned them a lot of good will.
>>721071939What's good about it? Nobody ever says what they like about the game, just that "it's good!"
>>721072000It was inside job. There is no way they fixed the entire movie in such a short notice.
>>721072000I always wondered if they used Penders' art as reference by mistake. It looks a lot like his art, not gonna lie.
>>721072056I still don't buy that narrative. There was already so much bts stuff and merch being made before the change. It was literally just executives being fucking retarded and not understanding why people like Sonic's design.
>>721070675Sonic 3 was alright but I can't get over the toddler humor. I get it, the movie is for kids but Mario movie is also for kids and the jokes feel less toddler centric. Also what the fuck is up with the music? Wow they used an actual Sonic song for like 20 second, is that supposed to be impressive? That shit should be blasting through the whole movie
>>721071743as opposed to Alvin and the Chipmunks with the occasional fight scene
>>721072056This conspiracy theory has always been fucking stupid. They had the entire marketing campaign and reams of merchandise with the ugly design ready to go (so much surplus, in fact, that they had to start giving it away for free years later with copies of Colors Ultimate).The studio was not in the business of pissing millions down the drain for no reason. It cost them millions more to fix the model, but it paid off in the end with PR. Tyson Hesse had to beg and beg them to get them to capitulate. It was not as easy as you're making out.
>>721072052If you dont like gens you probably wont like Shadow Gens. You can just think of it as Gens with better controls, much better level design, and Chaos Control. The physics have improved in some areas, (Ramps) but got worse in others (Springs)
>>721072052It feels good playing as Shadow, he has a bunch of attacks and abilities exclusive to him, and his levels are fun to play through.The boss fights are hype as fuck, the music rules, the story's kinda' beautiful... It's all very well presented. It's an overall good package.
>>721071547Shadow Gens does play differently to Sonic Gens but it would depend what you didn't like about the original. For instance I didn't like how sluggish Shadow was in the air and even his boost speed was a bit slow for my liking but I did eventually adjust to it.
>>721071743I don't think I've seen an illumination movie since the despicable me. Are they really that good?
>>721072162>Sonic 3 was alright but I can't get over the toddler humor.I have a really bad sense of humor and thought the double Jim Carrey antics were funny. Anything with the fat black lady or anyone else in the series was dogshit.
>>721072056You are mentally ill.
>>721069361You might just be irony poisoned.
>>721072673>set to be a major character in Sonic 4Oh fuck, the next wave of furries is here, isn't it?
>>721072793Amy isn't supposed to be sexy, she's supposed to be annoying.
>>721072865>Amy isn't supposed to be sexyThen they failed, miserably.
>>721072939That's just because every Sonic character is designed for sex. If you want wife material, try Cassia the Pronghorn.
>>721070675>konichi-whaaaaaaait was for toddlers. The self congratulation here for passing the somewhat low bar of having two good games in a row (one is a rerelease) is crazy
>>721072865
>>721073295>Boom AmySurprised they even bothered trying to make Boom a thing in Japan, it was explicitly designed for Westerners.
>>721067837irs crazy sonic got saved by sonic maina from then on its been plus plus plus
>>721072052Greater focus on 3D platforming levels than Sonic Gens if you prefer that style. Has a limited flight power that can be used for some dumb skips once you get the ability to whip it out. Hub world is pretty varied in challanges offered, but also feels great to explore as you unlock all the stages and reintroduce life and color. You get to play as Shadow the Hedgehog
>>721068893>Meanwhile, Sonic's universe has a bit more grit and edge to it. People die, permanently. There is lore. Cool music. I'm not going to act like it's the bloody Iliad, but there is actual stuff to latch onto.
>>721071014>>racing gsme with day-1 $30 dlcwhy you upset about DLCdonkey knog what its like the 5th best game ever 20 dolla DLC thats less then a free update of astrobot but 5th best game ever enjoy that slop anon
>>721070283I wish we got the greentext version
>>721070798We haven't got the SA1 adaption yet
Maria's fat ass
>>721067837Watch out, bubsy is coming for you.
>>721074189You have a stroke trying to defend a season pass?
>>721067837Nothing. Game journos aren't being upitty fags about kids games anymore. Objectively though, we're in a weird fractured sonic era. There are too many secondary or "fans of the series but not the games" these days. Surpringly the films weren't a cancer as most normies go for jim carrey.
>>721074434Chaos is a boring villain.
>>721077557Nta, but chaos as a whole is just cool. Thats all sonic needs.
>>721070675I wouldn't say perfect but Sonic 3 is the best video game adaptation so far
>>721067837A focus on Shadow.
>>721070835I thought it was nice to see a hollywood film be sincere in its fights and tone. My father loves these films because of jim carrey and thought the dual fight at the end was great. They did cuck out of using live and learn though.
>>721070283Nobody who watched it is old enough to post here yet
>>721070675Sonic 3 has its problems but I agree it’s one of the better movie adaptations of a videogame, especially considering how the first Sonic was not an adaptation in the least, and Sonic 3 had to pick up from where 1 and 2 left off
>>721074162>xitter meme imagego back
>>721071014The irony of you criticizing day one DLC when Nintendo announced DLC and merchandise for games that aren’t even out yet on that last Direct
>>721067837
>>721071547Shadow feels more like a platformer than Sonic. Also the stages feel like actual stages with creative level design as opposed to just “DUDE just hold down boost lmao”
>>721068210So the next Sonic game is gonna have a different formula for a new audience. And then they're gonna go back to Frontiers styled gameplay only for that to flop miserably.
>>721078516Sega sammy struggles as they gain and lose japanese foothold in seconds. Reminder they wanted yakuza to be the main brand and they made that so lame and uncool to the masses in record time. Even with all the ads and eceleb shilling it only sold in the asia's because they wanted to see hawaii and kiryu. We've gone back to them falling back to sonic at this point. Even persona underperformed despite its retard spike at the start.
>>721077794this but unironically. Nobody talks about how Sonic “suddenly became good again” right on the year of Shadow
>>721078870Persona suffers from online "fans" not real fans. There are more people who claim to like persona 5 than who have actually played it.
sonic peaked with the sonic boom cartoon
>>721078451>announced dlc for games that aren’t even out yetwhat do you think the season pass is, stupid?
>>721074820always stroking my big cock anon
>>721078870The real Sega killer is gacha. They have no real gacha competitors. They're losing heavily to chinese and korean games like Nikke and Wuthering Waves. Not to mention Genshin Impact, Deep Space, etc.
>>721078516>>721078870Someone @ Sega thought acquiring Angry Birds was a good idea.
>>721078870Persona underperforms because 5 is a fucking 10 year old game now
>>721080135Yeah I don't know why they bothered.
Name a bigger downgrade.
>>721080232And? Its still about the same fans buying. The western push did nothing besides bring in obnoxious fags on twitter who "love the characters and story" but never played it. Metaphor also had a strong start but fell off a cliff after its first 2 weeks. Raidou just came out and you can buy that for 25-30 in some places. They don't know who or what to target.
>>721068207Was the Mario movie good or successful? Was Mario Kart World good or successful? McDonalds may sell better than a 5 Star Restaurant but the quality of the food is vast between the two. I don't care what sold more. I care about what was objectively better. And Mario lost to Sonic this season. Period.
>>721080327sonic is 30 years old, he has to do formal poses now
>>721080740Mario/Nintendo is objective better than Sonic/Sega. There's a reason that latter lost the console race and is about to almost get acquired by Microsoft.
>>721080740Nta, but how? Mario kart world is a much better made game. Sonic while fun feels cheap and janky.
>>721080327Sega of America vs Sega GLOBAL
>>721080454People aren't buying shit because there's nothing to buy. I'm not buying P3 ported again for the Switch 2 or whatever the fuck, make a new game already
Sonic Team needs to make a new Phantasy Star already.
>>721080897Then what? Its not going to grow. The same people who bought persona are the same one's who'll buy the new one.
>>721067923Fpbp
>>721067923that kid then turns into an turbo autistic furfag
>>721068210>game that does better than expected critically (Colors/ Frontiers)frontiers got mid scores
>>721081531Depends on the kids access to the internet, and what he has access to.Rouge's large bat tats kept me normal and productive.
>>721068893>he is like Mickey MouseDoes Disney even use Mickey for anything these days
>>721081706after they censored rouge, lobotomized amy and all the idw shit I don't think the kids will turn out normal.
>>721068210parallelfags are mentally illimagine waking up and going>i ate burrito yesterday. i also atte burrito on the summer of 2005 and the next day my dog died.. today my bird will diecan you not live life without perceiving events as repeating consistent occurences?
>>721081531I don't disagree with you but let's not pretend Bowser hasn't turned an entire generation into monster fucking Bara scalies and Mario autism is a very real thing.
>>721067837I dont like the Sonic movies and I don't think I would have liked them as a kid too if they came out exactly as is without any altering. They do not feel like what Sonic embodies.
>>721067837mania time was better mania was also a better game than odyssey that year too
>>721081798Kids don't know or care about comics. Those things struggle selling at all. If they do add secondary media to the games, as long as the girls are cute and normal its fine.
ReminderThe moment Sonic 4 movie flop, Sonic back to be a fucking joke
>>721081949Also playing Live and Learn with Super Sonic only to abruptly end it with egg man being spanked was incredibly retarded. Idk im just a hater I guess, I cant bring myself to like movie sonic design either.
>>721068893Thats on nintendo for treating mario as the breadwinner he isSega just didn't know what to do with sonic since he was just popular overseas rather than home turf, sonic 06 and the 25th anniversary stream being good examples of how little investment they arranged for him
>>721081949They're not sonic. They're good normie/family movies though. I've mentioned this before but my father and his friends get excited for a new jim carrey film, and use it as an excuse to take the families to the movies as a group. I was on college break when 3 released so I tagged along for it. It was pretty good, but you have to get over the fact sonic isn't sonic and knuckles is star fire for whatever reason.
>>721081962>as long as the girls are cute and normal its fine.They are literally Tumblr OCs looking and one of the artists of IDW promoted actual child pornography to children.
>>721069408mario games are just poslished mediocrity. I havent played good mario games since before sonics dark age
>>721082092I thought it was for the better. Both the eggman/gerald fight and sonic and shadow were handled sincerly. My theater had the fathers and older men there, including myself laughing and enjoying the carrey fight.
>>721082345As true as that may be. As long as the girls are cute and aren't dykes or fags in the games then it doesn't matter. Kids don't read or care about comics.
>>721082506This might make some tards angry, but archie was at least somewhat polular with kids. The current idw comic era is bought soley by terminally online men and trannies due to identity politics.
>>721067837>SonicShadow*
I think we can all agree that the sonic movies an mario movie are not very good at least. sonic does just enough to feel passable but is dragged down by forced humor and human interactions and mario like its games looks and sounds nice but is shallow with awful direction.
>>721082639Sonic's "family" suck. Eggman and even stone are good.
>>721081798>idwUnironically tranny infested, but that's a near guarantee nowadays to anyone working with children comicsits best to avoid that entirely
>>721082825They added trannies to the tmnt and made the fucking transformers name litteral and gay. I hate idw
>>721082506If they add any comic character, the first thing they should have sonic do is slap her on the ass to establish this isn't comic shit.
>>721081747They had those Mickey Mouse shorts during the 2010's, and he is Disney Sorcerer's Arena (2020-2024), Disney Mirrorverse (2022-2024), Disney Speedstorm and Illusion Island. If we're counting tabletop, there's the Lorcana TCG. Other than that, no new shows, mostly just there for merch.
>>721067837Happy for the franchise for sure, but dammit, that next mainline game NEEDS to be good, because you know that, if it's shit, all this is going down the drain AGAIN.
>>721083854The next game is likely Frontiers 2.
A bunch of movies and a bad open world game sold very well, which prompted Sega to give Sonic Team an actual budget and dev support on projects.Also Iizuka moved up the chain and they got new producers, lmao.
>>721068210>FrontiersGame was terrible. It just sold well.
>>721067837They listened to their audience and got better at marketing.>>721080135Hey, they probably thought they could make lightning strike twice.
>>721085887I say it's quite the opposite. We're out of the ironic era, but they still listen to rando's on twitter and online as opposed to proper sonic fags
>>721080062If Sega was smart they would have handled Phantasy Star better, because good god did they kill it for overseas. I still remember when the America branch some rep said it would be coming out for us but then it took 5 or more years for Phantasy Star Online 2 to come over here and the moment it finally did likely others and myself just didn't give a fuck anymore. It's just stunning how they dropped the ball.
>>721088347I just looked up and it was in fact 8 YEARS!
>>721068845>who>posts literal who
>>721088347Do you remember when phantasy star online 2 was good? The original japanese version was great man. I spent so much hours playing that. The relaunch ruined everything
>>721073038Who
The timeline is actually pretty clear. It can all be traced back to the first Sonic movie.>Paramount fixes shitty Sonic model, earns the movie goodwill and interest it may not have had otherwise>movie comes out and it's fine, kids really like it and this drives interest in the games, Sonic 2 reinforces this and also gets the fans onboard with more game characters>Frontiers releases, and is the beneficiary of this goodwill even though it's mediocre, the sales prompt Sonic Team to be given more budget and people>Sonic 3 releases, best movie yet, everyone likes it for the most part>Shadow Gens releases and rides the movie's hype wave because of Shadow, does really well>the perfect feedback loop of games into movies into games is now created>all the while the brand is saturated everywhere with toys, IDW, Prime, basically there is more Sonic content than ever before>Sonic Crossworlds seizes upon the middling reception of Mario Kart World and does gangbusters critically>you are here, Sonic is on top of his game againNow they just need to not fuck it up.
>>721067837>What the fuck happened in the last five years?Movies and Frontiers convinced Sega to put more money and effort into the series again.Stuff like Forces was shat out unfinished on a shoestring budget.
>Sonic movie 1 billionIt took an entire trilogy, and IIRC not a single movie even grossed 500 million globally, even with SA2 nostalgiafagging. Pretty standard fare, nothing crazy.>Sonic x Shadow GensA step up, but still replete with retarded and contrived Flynn nostalgiafagging, rehashed plotlines and character arcs, and automated hallway gameplay that still fails to live up to the best of Gens/Unleashed levels. >CrossworldsGenuinely fun-looking game - better than MKW, even (not a particularly high bar to clear). My only criticisms is that it looks a little jank and lacks a ton of polish graphically and animation-wise compared to Mario Kart. Gameplay is paramount, but presentation matters too. Then again, it's nu-Sonic Team, so what can you do.Nobody wants to hear me troon out about my feelings about the state of the franchise, so I'll spare you the autism, but as a 2000s fag, I'm largely indifferent to the series' output for the last five years. It just ain't the Sonic I grew up with. Meh.
>>721088347if sega was smart they would have been aware of osrs/wow classic and how properly maintaining their legacy mmo would pay off wildly. The western release of pso2 was basically a speedrun of the roadmap so they can throw it in the trash and promote NGS
>>721080327Classic Sonic turning into whatever the fuck that thing on the left is.
>>721070675>Better than Sonic movie 1Mario movie was fucking awful. I liked the animation. That's it.
>>721081706"Rouge's large bat tats""normal and productive"contradicts that first claim, and depending on the severity, the second as well. Sonic fans really don't know how weird they are.
>>721090097>still replete with retarded and contrived Flynn nostalgiafagging, rehashed plotlines and character arcsCharacterfags...>still fails to live up to the best of Gens/Unleashed levelsCan't agree. It's still hard to top Savannah Citadel but Generations is PACKAGED WITH Shadow Gens and it's very easy to go back and see how bad that game actually is when you're not looking through the lense of "at least it's not Colors!"
>>721080327Unironically prefer the left.Encapsulates Sonic is supposed to be cool. Though doesn't matter when he loses massive cool points as is for having the voice he currently does.
>>721090097Boost sucksIf they kill boost there is at least a 1% chance I buy a Sonic game ever againIf they make another Shadow game there is a 75% chance
>>721074458Farting in a tuba
>>721090097All 3 Sonic movies outgrossed Detective Pikachu, the supposed highest grossing media franchise of all time. Let's not downplay things here.Mario hit those numbers because, well, it's fucking Mario. He's peak normie-tier.
>>721090020It's all gonna depend on how they portray Amy. If she's not cute enough the girlboss shitposters will tank online discussions, and if they try to give her 'mass market appeal' she'll be fucking boring and make her character discourse even worse.
>>721068179>spatsI despise you, even the amy like dress on the left has them instead of panties/ a longer dress
>>721068207>:Also the Mario Movie made 3x as much as Sonic did.>SALESSALESSALESSALESSALESSALESSALESAlright, now let's see the critic reviews...
>>721081832But my bird did die Anon, as it was written in the prophecy of SEGA
>>721067923https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaTa-wJIWZ0
>>721068554>Mario>Incel>Sonic>Fucked Hatsune MikuYou're right, they're not in the same universe in things that truly matter.
>>721067837Still waiting for Sonic Adventure 3 with chao gardens. Without IDW shit or an american writer
>>721090097>Flynn nostalgiafaggingLet's not pretend the series hadn't been marred with nostalgiabait for years prior to him writing the games.
>>721090950Not to mention people seem to not realize any movie under the Illumination umbrella always does big numbers after the 1st Despicable Me movie. So while yes Mario would have gotten a lot already for the ip itself, it being an Illumination film is why by default it was always going to be high. Whereas for Sonic the fact it got impressive numbers especially with how Paramount needed a win given how their franchises like Transformers and TMNT have been underperforming for them that it's no wonder they see it as their new golden goose of a cinematic universe to work on
>>721090097First movie was in the theaters for maybe two weeks before the lockdowns happened.The fact that it didn't bomb and killed the franchise there because of it is a miracle.
>>721090950Detective pikachu was dead on arrival when they casted the ugly gross lead. I was in japan when the first trailer dropped and heard audible "ohhh" when revealed.
>>721092961Sure, but it wasn't reference faggotry. We're in a bit of a better place, but it's not perfect. Anything is better than the gross irony phase meant to appeal to faggots who don't like sonic. The current one isn't better since it's targeting comic fags who in turn never play sonic games proper.
>>721067837>There has literally never been a more vindicating time to be a Sonic fan.You guys said this when Frontiers got good reviews.You guys said this when Generations came out.
>>721080327
I think Lost world is a neat game, Baldy M'cnosehair notwithstanding.
>>721072056This theory has already being debunked from people that literally worked on the movie, showing actual stuff with that horrid design, some even said we even had an ugly tails too.Paramount actually tought ugly sonic was fine as an adaptation until the internet turned everything into fire for it.
>>721094251Based. The movement is fun once you figure it all out.
>>721068089>>721068179>>721068181I can't believe there are people who never considered pants from the getgo
>>721068554Mario is only opening theme parks because the only thing more pathetic than a disney adult is nintendo adult
>>721068089She won’t be wearing pants in my bed
>>721094031and I'm saying it now for Crossworlds, feels good being a SonicChad
>>721096856They see white muzzle and connect dots that aren't there.
>>721067923Nah old mario mogs every sonic.
>>721097742Sonic 3 rapes Mario 3 and World, it's not up for debate/thread404 NOW!
>>721097227You freaks never learn, do you?
>>721067837why are Sonic fans so insecure about being Sonic fans? You feel 'vindicated'?
>>721070283The term gets overused but it applies perfectly to the Mario movie. Slop. It's slop. It is a mediocre piece of media based on an extremely famous IP so a ridiculous number of people go to see it purely off that. Not quality. Not writing. Not word of mouth. Just "It's [popular thing] as a movie so I guess we should watch it." Compare this to the Sonic movies. Nowhere as popular of an IP, awful first impression. The reason people bothered giving it a chance was because they put the effort into fixing Sonic's design and because of that a successful movie franchise could spawn from that decision, one which caters to fans whilst also drawing in a new generation with each entry. The Sonic movies have flaws but they care more about what Sonic fans and adequately attract new fans.The Mario movie contributed nothing to the Mario franchise. It's just 'Mario movie.' Generic Illumination slop.
>>721098603I agree with this portrayal. Solely because rigby ends up with a nice life.
>>721098716My guess is because when the games are at the lowest, it's pretty damn low and the highs being pretty damn good; the lack of consistency makes them a punching bag for humor. Because of that, there's always going to be an inferiority complexYour image is a good example as well. People rag on Jersey until something good comes out, so some will get defensive/insecure
>>721070798I feel like blending CD and Heroes could make for a genuinely interesting storyline with Metal Sonic as an antagonist. 06 is rough but with hindsight I could see them making something entertaining out of it. Frontiers also has the recipe for an interesting movie. Beyond that...Sonic X's Metarex?
>>721091330Making Amy cute is so fucking easy that I'll side with the shitposters if they fuck it up. Just give her a puppy crush on Sonic and have be girly. Even if they make her more competent than Sonic as long as they have those two elements she'll be cute.
