It's been 20 years since Xbox 360's controller released. Why haven't controllers innovated since then?
>>721127714They have. What do you think gyro, touchpads on controllers, and back buttons are?
they have
>>721127807cringe
Just got one of these to replace my 360 wired controller that shit the bed
>>721127795gyro is the only serious one of these and outside of nintendo is barely supported
>>721127807>symmetrical thumbsticks
>>721127807When will Sony admit the offset thumb sticks are more ergonomic?I understand sticking to tradition, but it's time to move on.
>>721127714They have>It didn't catch onDon't care. Consumers are retarded sheep. It's still an innovation.
>>721127714This is why gamers are just a bunch of niggers. You change the controllers, people complain. You don't, people complain.
>>721129237That's fine if they weren't on the buttom.
>>721127807trans coded af
>>721127714>Why haven't controllers innovated since then?Because Xbox is holding everyone else back. Literally everyone else is trying new things, but Xbox fans are typically dudebros who think that adding new buttons will turn them gay
Would you prefer AA batteries or a built in battery for controllers?
>>721134447a wire
>>721134447Built in battery that can be replaced without having to open up the controller
>>721129883Yeah, people are sheep for not spending $50 on a PC only controller that they'll barely use because most PC player prefers mouse and keyboard for most games anyway. I mean no dev was ever going to implement special gameplay features that required the extra buttons or touch pad because 3rd party devs don't have any upside for shilling the controller for valve and 1st party devs don't exist because valve was and is a joke as a game developer. A wired 360 controller was $10 cheaper and touchpad are only superior to joysticks at one thing which is being a mouse which if you own a PC you already have.Yes it the Sheeple's fault that the steam controller failed. not that fact that some of the most popular genres of PC games that people won't use mouse and keyboard for are 2d side scrollers and fighting game which require a good D-pad or a fighting stick. It's not like steam is known for having a library of thousands of 2D indie games or anything. The steam controller failed because the only use case for them was the steambox/game streaming and maybe laptop gaming none of which were or are mainstream.>>721134395How many extra fingers do you have? Like yes you can put a couple extra button on the underside but then you really need to start worrying about button reach and hand size vs controller size and shape per person and accidentally bumping buttons just holding the controller to tightly because fingers that soul purpose was to craddle the controller are now tied to button inputs.
>>721127714You can't really improve over perfection
>>721127714Because people are not ready to hear the truth...
>>721127714That damn thing IS the reason why innovation has stalled. Games expect controllers to fit the Xinput standard, which restricts what you can do.
>>721127714Same reason the smartphone "hasn't", the form factor has been perfected, you can only refine the technology inside it
>>721129550They're not if you use the dpad primarily.
>>721129237I honestly didn't mind symmetrical sticks when they were this way.
>>721136784>dpad in 2025
>>721136239>mushy and flexes like a fisher price toy with horrible triggers sweetie..
>>721137121great for fighting games
>>721137121Yes.
>>721137121Don't tell you're one those freaks that use the analog stick in plataformers?
>>721136239The DS3 sucks, it's built on top of a good foundation but the build quality is way worse than the DS1 / DS2 and the new features it has compared to those don't make up for it at all. The only reason I ever use it is when I'm emulating PS1-3 games on my PC, since playing those with any non-Sony controllers feels wrong to me and I don't have an adapter for my DS1/DS2 controllers.
>>721127714it is perfect
>>721136897best “modern” controller dpad
What now?
>>721127714luv my 360 controllernothing else comes as close in comfort usability and build quality.>>721129550I prefer asymmetrical layout but it really depends on the game played.if you play games that require lets say constant camera controlls like an fps a symmetrical is better because then your hands are in same position instead of being crooked.but since I mainly just play racing games that do not require constant camera controlls asymmetrical is my choice
>>721127714>It's been 20 years since Xbox 360
>>721138569Wow, one cool feature. Too bad the rest of the controller is dogshit.
>>721138664so, it innovate...
I love my 360 controller. I recently installed hall effect sticks in mine and it feels better than new. If it had gyro it would be perfect.I've tried the Xbox One and PS5 controllers but I just don't like them as much.
>>721138354I really enjoy the form factor and how compact it is. It's also not as heavy and overall love the design. Hope Sony would someday release this with a proper fucking build quality (and batery)
>>721127714They did, it was the worst one of the bunch in terms of features, but everyone who just got the DS3 would get f*cked in the *rse when everyone would just drop support for its features after scptoolkit. Gyro and touchpad support will be dropped in the future soon. At least the DS3 lasted longer than the wiimote fad, where support didn't grow past glovepie keyboard binds. There doesn't seem to be a clear way to use these in Windows as controllers without Dolphin.
>>721139480>Gyro and touchpad support will be dropped in the future soonFor the DS4, I meant. But probably for Switch controllers as well.
>>721138354But you CAN get cheap adapters for DS1/DS2 controllers. Cheap as long as you don't care about DS2 pressure sensitivity. That latter part is tough to get.
>>721139456This is obviously subjective, but it not being as heavy makes it feel cheap to me. I think controllers should feel substantial.>>721140452Yeah, me not having one is my own fault because I keep forgetting to buy one
They have innovated, they innovated into becoming worse
>>721127807>worse than DS2
>>721140646You know what's very subjective? Dropping a brick on the floor at 3 AM, waking up my whole family, having all the pieces on the floor and 50$ went to the garbage. If I'm lucky it'll break my feet instead. I totally agree that if it's way too lightweight it feels cheap but the DS3 has the rumbles so I find that to be a sweetspot. The 360 controller with batteries is also cool.
>>721127714god that d-pad was a mushy piece of shit
>>721141147Why are you buying $50 bricks and dropping them on the floor at 3 am
>>721129550i actually prefer the dualshock setupalso gyro and that touchpad are super useful with steam input
>>721138479Absolutely not. the Xbox series controller disc dpad is second only to Saturn's
whats the best controller that isnt xbox series x or ps5
>>721127714The 360 was obsolete, unergonomic garbage when it launched and the entire Xbox lineup has refused to get better, so garbage controllers that can't do anything well have formed the lowest common denominator for 20 years.>Retarded retro DPad that isn't usable for anything, if you want to play fightan games or 2D platformers you are always better off with an arcade stick>Retarded Diamond face buttons instead of something like the Gamecube that incentivizes fun design>Retarded dual analog sticks so that it can pretend to be able to use mouselook, but really just makes the face buttons unusable so that the player can pretend to play cameraman>Uncomfortable gun triggers so that it can trick dudebros into thinking that it can really play FPS gamesEven now Xinput is fucking up controllers, because a lot of controllers that do ship with gyro just don't have that functionality on PC due to using Xinput to connect for some retarded reason.>>721127795They're copium. People are obsessed with back buttons because dual analog makes face buttons harder to use, they're not an innovation.The only touchpads actually placed in usable positions are on the SC and Deck.Gyro is good, but it's just a half measure and already obsoleted by full 6DoF referenced tracking solutions.>>721129883The build quality on this feels bad and the ergonomics were compromised by the sudden design change that included the face buttons and stick. Some aspects of it are cool, but it's very much a prototype.>>721137191>>721138035>>721138479Arcade sticks or dedicated 2D controllers are immeasurably better than some DPad for a handheld controller that also has all the inputs for 3D. DPads have no place on modern controllers.>>721139480Linux has support.
>>721142529>DPads have no place on modern controllers.
>>721142843They serve no functional purpose and are just being kept because people expect to have a DPad.For menus there are countless better input methods like touchpads that actually allow you to use more than 4 cardinal directions to select things.For 2D games the ergonomics of the modern controller are too shit, so you are better off with a controller that actually has ergonomics for 2D like an arcade stick or dedicated 2D pad.Name an actual use for a DPad on a 3D controller.
>>721143151>Name an actual use for a DPad on a 3D controller.Quick selection in menus>but a touchpad is betterNo it's not.
>>721143280The only reason it would be better is if the menu is designed like shit and has no hotkeys.If the game really has enough menu navigation to need a DPad, then it's not worth compromising the controller for and you should just use a mouse.
>>721132151that's not a pair of joycons
>>721143151>Name an actual use for a DPad on a 3D controllerNot having to deal with having to use multiple controllers for different games? I can use my gamesaar to play both 3D shit, old games and even fighters, I don't feel the need to get separate controllers for them. Retrofags get retro type controllers because they always play those, fightfags get an arcade stick because they always play those, etc.>thinks touchpad > d-pad while talking about muh ergonomics>going off against xbox-style controllers THIS hardNigga I can tell you're a sonyfag through and through, if we're talking ergonomics then fuck the dualshock and fuck symmetrical joyshit
>>721143592A touchpad can only be used for radial menus, and we already have analog sticks for that, and input will always be slower because you have to contact then drag instead of just pushing the fucking button on a directional pad. Hating Dpads is hands down the weirdest fucking hangup I've ever seen on this board.
>>721136897Still the most comfy controller I've ever used
>>721143645If you're against multiple controllers, then just use a keyboard and mouse, it's capable of basically playing everything and everyone has a keyboard and mouse. The logical extension of your argument is to get no gamepads at all. Consolefags will need to get new controllers every gen anyway, so why not get a dedicated controller of good quality for the games you like to play instead of being forced to get a mediocre controller that doesn't?>Nigga I can tell you're a sonyfag through and through, if we're talking ergonomics then fuck the dualshock and fuck symmetrical joyshitNothing I've said is positive towards the Dualshock controller and is just as negative towards it as the 360 layout.>>721143751A clickable touchpad can be used for a lot of things. >You can use it to fake a DPad poorly>You can use it to do radial menus, no contact and drag necessary, just tap the area on the touchpad that does the thing>You can use it to bring up any kind of menu and then navigate that menu>You can use it for gestures I guess>You can use it to define areas on your screen where you want to control a mouse.>You can use it for global mouse input
>>721127714Gamers are bad at adapting to change and they want things to work like they always have, even though the Wii Remote's dual-hand setup with IR aiming was objectively superior. Even Gyro Aiming is superior to simple dual-stick gameplay, but gamers throw a fit if you change the rules.
>>721138603what are you replacing your analog sticks with these days since originals are no longer manufactured?
>>721127714xinput
>>721143151>Name an actual use for a DPad on a 3D controller.how about as shortcuts for weapons, items, etc.? are you genuinely retarded, you fucking autistic sperg?
>>721144613welp havent done anything since mine dont drift or atleast not noticeably some anon in this thread did mention that he swapped out for some hall effect ones >>721139194 this anon
>>721127807>innovation is being disposable garbage
>>721144720>Shortcuts for X,Y,ZNone of this requires a DPad, you're not replacing every input of a controller with 4/8 directional DPads just because they're all shortcuts for something.
>>721144723the original ones on mine are too busted by now, no amount of cleaning can save them anymore. the hall effect ones I saw on aliexpress didn't strike me as being too good, people in the reviews were saying they felt too floaty. I've ordered some potentiometer ones but I have a feeling those are gonna suck too.
>>721143151>For 2D games the ergonomics of the modern controller are too shitNo, they're not. Xbox has shit ergonomics because of placement. That's not the same thing.
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>>721144356Just play PC games dude, the mouse and keyboard was made for you
>>721127714If it ain't broken, don't fix it.
>>721144931They still include angled handles that are supposed to make it more comfortable to use the analog sticks.>>721145056The unfortunate reality is that modern control schemes are unusually shit and constantly decide that they need hardcoded button combinations, context sensitive buttons, no hotkeys and a nonsensical camera that doesn't work competently with a mouse.
>>721128141>>721129237>>721129550>>721132151>>721140748>>721144757
>>721145818>unusually shitThis is your opinion, and it's not objective, you just have a really weird hangup
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>>721146059I like my DS5 but the spring for the trigger resistance snapped in like 3 months.
>>721146470>>721147127>Anons can't comprehend not developing Stockholm syndrome for Xinput shit
>>721127795It's insane how so many people are denying these are upgrades. I outright refuse to play games without back buttons, it's too much of an advantage. Gyro also revolutionized FPS games on console. Flick stick is the future of console shooters, it's just a matter of when developers will catch on.
>>721127714Same reason as with bike frames: they just stumbled into perfection early on.
I bought one of these 20 bucks controllers and it's insane how much better the analog controls feel. Sadly the dpad is missclick prone in tense games.
I got this controller and it does shit on the 360 controller as it should. I don't know, there have been many advancements. It's just they're not used frequently enough.Gyro is not used because it's not a standard, period. It does have a bit of a learning curve and multiple control methods. It makes analog aiming stupid as shit. Analog sticks are not meant for precise aiming and aim assist proves it. This controller (pic related) has capacitive sticks. These are the best analog sticks in the fucking market (they decided to call them capacitive, which is confusing because the Deck has "capacitive sticks" but they're a completely different thing), and they still aren't as great as having flick stick properly setup. People don't use back buttons often because some controllers put them in places where it's easy to press them accidentally, plus there's no standard to bind extra buttons to them. Again something that is only limited purely by standards. This controller right here allows you to use keyboard keys and shortcuts on those. But it's limited by one thing: connectivity. You need the dongle for those functions. All of these neat gimmicks are limited purely by absolute horseshit. Microsoft doesn't ever help. Valve is trying to do something about this, but they basically have to translate mouse and keyboard inputs into these functions. The world would be a much better place if these corporations decided not to cockblock these features but you know, imbeciles like OP exist that go "y-you don't need this" "this is a meme". These are fucking great when setup properly. All you're doing is getting in the way of great things. We're not in the Wii days anymore.
>>721149196GAMESIRPUTTING THE SIR IN INSURMOUNTABLE
>>721149416That's a mobapad rajeesh
>>721127714Xinput
>>721127807To counter the replies to this post, I will say that the force feedback triggers and haptics really were innovative additions to gaming controllers and the DualSense was the progenitor to that. I really like this controller generally speaking. I just wish they could>switch to hall effect sticks and triggers, better yet TMR>restore pressure sensitive buttons and D-pad>change the actual shape of the triggers a bit because the current shape is a bit too sharp around the edges to press compared to xbox counterpartsNothing fancy like extra/swappable buttons or whatever. If they could just do the above small changes next generation I would be really very happy with the standard model PS6 controller.
>>721141950Nomad and Vita had the best D-pads of all time.
>>721146994How old was that controller?
>>721134447Xbox has the best battery setup specifically because of this. It's a little pricey but it's just like the DualSense in that it's rechargeable but it lasts 10x as long and can be hot swapped mid-game, you will basically never run out of battery.
>>721136239I love the DualShock 3. I have about 4 of them so far and I'm looking to get more down the line so I can keep playing pressure sensitive games.
>>721139194why don't you get a hyperkin xenon?
>>721138618this is the sort of phrase that sounds like a joke at first
>>721138954Someone should make a mini keyboard that slides in and out of a controller so that when you're not using it, it looks like a normal controller. I think that would make these things viable.
>>721127714So why does it have a reputation for having a bad dpad? I saw someone clear Mushihimesama Futari on the hardest difficulty with xbox 360 gamepad just fine
>>721139480>Gyro and touchpad support will be dropped in the future soon
>>721127714Only if controllers had 2 extra face buttons would I consider console gaming. I don't care about other gimmicks.
>>721140696That's exnovation.
>>721151718What is the maximum mAh battery capacity for an Xbox controller battery?
>>721129550Because they aren't. Try playing Skate with top thumbsticks, see how well that goes for you.
>>721142425Neither of those is the best at anything. I would say the best controller on the market right now is a cross up between the Apex 5 and Vader 4 Pro, but no controller will be a one answer solution for everything. 2D fighters for example you would either get a pad for or 8bitdo M30. 2D platformers any SNES clone would work, racers I would say Logitech G920 and pressure sensitive games for PS1/2/3 you would be forced to get a PS3 controller for.Time Crisis I have no idea what light guns exist on the market would have something decent for. You'd need to circumvent the CRT shit somehow.
>>721143151You are such a filthy retard.
>>721136239really good at collecting sweat and dead skinI still have it after 14 years and its fucking up
>>721152478Get a Defender Pro in January 2026 https://retrofighters.com/our-collection/defender-pro-wireless-gamepad/>Pressure sensitive △ O X L1 L2 R1 R2 (full PS2/PS3/OG Xbox support)>Full gyro support (SixAxis)>Anti friction rings>Back buttons>Turbo button>Hairpin trigger locks>1000Hz latency>WirelessIt's quite literally a modern PlayStation 3 controller.
>>721141950Series d-pad is unpleasant to slide your thumb over, the shape is wrong. It looks good on photos, but it's still a glorified menu button that you would not want to use for a longer time.
>>721152340You are nostalgic for a cheap solution to selling individual handhelds and home consoles to households with mass-produced plastic parts. Not only do most people agree that most D-pads on most controllers aren't even good or usable for their secondary purposes of menu navigation, but they are so marginalized that they're usually not even in a comfortably ergonomic position to be used for actual 2D movement. Now that controllers all use universal USB or bluetooth protocols and are generally all quite expensive, there is no longer a need to cling to this cheap solution for 2D inputs.When the EU starts requiring that all consoles must accept all USB controllers bu 2034 to minimize ewaste, you will also see the D-pad go away.
>>721127714Chink controllers mog.
>>721140452>Cheap as long as you don't care about DS2 pressure sensitivity. That latter part is tough to get.i might have gotten lucky but i just checked reviews on amazon until i saw one that was $10 and had people saying it worked for the pressure sensitivity
Xbox Series controller would be the best modern controller if it had TMR sticks.
>>721129550>When will Sony admit the offset thumb sticks are more ergonomic?They actually did. When they announced the PS4, they were asked exactly that question. They replied that their own internal studies showed that offset sticks are supirior, but some MBA or PR asshole at the company thought that by dowing so they would lose some of their playstation branding identity. Yep, the litterally opted for a worse design in the hope to please some retarded playstation fanboys.
>>721153970Symmetrical is better for 2D games and asymmetrical is better for 3D games, that's it.
>>721153482This, but the vader 5 pro should be out soon enoughHoping it'll have TMR sticks
>>721144878I've had aliexpress hall effect ones in for months now, I cant say they feel notably different, but im not really a joypad connoisseur . I tried to mod some TMR ones in, but was unsuccessful.3D printed d-pad was the bigger upgrade.
>>721127714engineers dilemma. you can't improve what's already perfect
>>721151518>force feedback triggers and hapticsI don't know why anybody cares about this shit. It's just distracting.
>>721155027That garbage just makes controllers heavier for no reason.
>>721155027It's more engaging to me. It's an acquired taste like root beer.
>>721129883Its presets for steam input on valve games were trash, which are a big reason they didn't appeal to a lot of people. And if it wasn't for Scuff's lawsuit for patent infrigement Valve would still sell it.Been 4 years using mine, once I got used to dual trackpads and gyro aim the stick became irrelevant, If I ever get a second one I'd mod it to change the stick for a d-pad and add a scrollwheel.
>>721127714>Shit d-pad>4 Generations of consoles and still no gyro>>721135394While I do agree the Steam controller would benefit from a dpad, the right trackpad does a good job if you know how to set it up correctly, just Valve didn't bother to properly explain how to do so and Steam Input wasn't as good as it is now.>>721136897>No gyro
>>721127714>>721127807>Why haven't controllers innovated since then?They have, but you retards refuse to check different options
>>721153043>slide your thumb overThat's wrong. You keep your thumb in the middle and treat it like a stick
>>721146059>Muh haptic feedbackSteam controller had that already and somehow Sony managed to have shittier drifting sticks than the switch.
>>721143151Dpads are more precise for cardinal directions and diagonals. Analog fucking sucks for peecise input but is need for 3D games. >fighting gamesThe optimal controller is the one you are most comfortable with and have practiced the most.
>>721159020This looks painful to hold
>>721159609That's an argument for using it over an analog stick, but not really an argument for using a D-Pad instead of something that's more overbuilt than just a membrane bridging some PCB traces. This was an idea they came up with for cheap mass-production, that doesn't mean it's the best solution ever.It's a remnant of when every console and handheld needed a cheap controller that only worked with that console, but now there's really no reason to insist that one central controller needs to be able to play every game on a console, especially since it is making games on consoles worse.
>>721128175SIR
I watched marky brownee's video on smart glasses and thought the ''armband that registers electric impulses'' shtick was interesting. will (VR) controllers adapt this as well? might we see the same for other body parts?
>>721151518GAMBLING
>>721127714How are the gamesir controllers? Any good?
>>721134447built in, its not 1998 anymore.
>>721168138I like the Tegenaria Lite a lot, but I mostly play 2D games and retro games. My only complaint is that the cable is about 2 meter/6 feet and not 3 meters/10 feet.
>>721168696I'm looking into the pro right now for the gyro, I'm guessing the dpad is decent if you use it for 2D
>>721135394>Yeah, people are sheep for not spending $50 on a PC only controller that they'll barely use because most PC player prefers mouse and keyboard for most games anyway. Yes, using the thing they've always been using because they've always been using it is definition of sheep. You understand me.
>>721134447Still using my Xbox One controller for no reason other then it still takes AA. Love me eneloops.
>>721128175is it good? was thinking about getting one.>>721134447external batteries because all batteries die eventually and no off brand lithium battery replacement is good, they all suck and die way faster compared to the one that comes with the controller.
>>721134447wire
>>721138479I have no idea why Nintendo went to a shittier D-Pad for the Switch Pro. Even the DS/3DS D-Pad was better than the Switch's.
It's basically as good as you can get in terms of layout without compromising something else about it.You can't add more face buttons without cluttering up the joint or making them awkward to reach. You can't add more shoulder buttons for the same reason.Premium controllers like Xbox Elite or Switch 2 Pro have added grip buttons/back paddles but it's been so long with the Xbox style they can't be meaningfully standardized so they're just "lmao here's some customizable buttons if you feel like it" which is admittedly nice.
>>721170865The implication that nothing much has changed meaning that there is no room for change just seems very disingenuous, a major problem with these controllers is that they all need to work around the Xinput problem, which is that Xinput only supports the exact inputs on the 360 controller and most native controller remapping functionality in the late 2000s and 2010s was (and mostly still is) just broken and unusable.Even without Xinput, no new game is going to add extra functionality that they need to take out for a specific console version.>It's basically as good as you can getEven without changing much about the layout itself, you could add higher quality sticks, gyro and dual stage triggers.>They can't be meaningfully standardizedController standardization is fucking cancer anyway.
>>721127714>wirelessAt least post the wired one, the peak of controllers.
>>721169052>I'm looking into the protegenaria pro?
>>721163028I thought that too but it's apparently not made in india>>721169520I like it quite alot, the buttons are extremely similar to the 360 controller (membrane) but not quite as raised, the D-Pad is alot more clicky, the sticks are more linear / need less resistance to push, bumpers are a little more awkward for my hands, triggers seem identicalI got it over the Gamesir G7 specifically because of the placement of the select and start buttons
>>721127714It pisses me off that xbox still uses AA batteries in their controllers. In 2025 that should be against the law lol.
>>721168138If you get past the ridiculous name that sounds like the kind of thing /v/ would think up about an imaginary Indian company(they're from Hong Kong) yes they're really good. A wired G7 has been my PC workhorse for the past few years.
>>721128685genuinely maddening how few shooters support gyro on playstation
>>721173212it’s annoying but at least the controller isn’t easy to swap out a rechargeable battery unlike nintendo and playstation
>>721173415*is
>>721173212>xbox still uses AA batteries in their controllersAll controllers should be like that. At least I don't have to throw away the controller when the battery eventually dies.
>>721174369You can buy a battery and replace it pretty easily at least for ds3 controllers that I have experience with. As long as the recharageable batteries are easy to replace it shouldn't be a problem. AA Batteries leak, fall out, and add weight.
>>721172952g7 pro
>>721127714>Why haven't controllers innovated since then?They have. They've innovated in the ability of controllers to break as quickly as possible following the expiry of their manufacturer warranties.
>>721138603>symmetrical is better because then your hands are in same position instead of being crookedI would love to see how you hold your controllers, the only thing that changes is my thumb placement, the rest of my hand is the same regardless of the thumb stick placement.Absolutely wild take from you.
>>721127714I saw linus shill the EasySMX X20, is it any good?
>>721178047 Yeah exactly. Unless you’re gripping the controller like a caveman wrangling a coconut, both stick layouts result in the same wrist/finger positions. It’s pure muscle memory at that point. Some of these "ergonomics experts" act like their hands start melting if the left stick isn’t in the top-left corner.
>>721179007The asymmetrical thumb stick layout does make it slightly more comfortable for your left hand since the thumb is in more of a naturally neutral position, but I think you're largely correct.
Just use assymmetrical to play 3D games and symmetrical to play 2D games.>but 2D games don't exist anymore!Silksong.
