People keep saying Kingdom Hearts in a bad place now. Why?
They dropped all the Final Fantasy stuff that made it fun
Bad place being modern square enix
>>721167027Bad place because no games.KH3 was released 6 years ago and is mid as fuck without the DLC + mods.Melody of Memory was released 5 years ago.Dark Road was a piece of shit.Missing-Link was in development for like two years before getting cancelled.And we still have little to no information about KH4.Bottom right looks fucking nothing like Sora, by the way. They homogenized all his physical features and now he looks like any other bishonen bitch from Final Fantasy Whatever.
>>721167072Thought it looked more final fantasy than ever but okay
NO HANDHELD TO PUT SIDE GAMES ONTO AND PREVENT ENORMOUS WAITS BETWEEN TITLES
>>721167027same shit happened to naruto
>>721167027It has literally always been bad.
>>721167027from soul to slop
>>721167027Did his necklace shrink or did he just grow massively?
>>721167072Final Fantasy stopped being fun, that's the problem.
>>721167642Final Fantasy hasn't been fun since 6.
>>721167027Kh was never good
>KH4
>>721167027>disney angle is minimized, reduced to watching clips of a Disney movie before fighting an OC boss (kh3 had a whopping two fights with an actual movie villain and the first one was basically a glorified tutorial)>final fantasy elements nearly completely stripped, kh3 outright had fucking none of them present>story got dumber, plot beats soft retconned to shove in more contrived shit, characters would be introduced several times as several different ones even in cases it made no sense like literal dopplegangers are now their own person, and this has happened MULTIPLE times for the SAME character>nomura outright attempted to hijack the franchise with verum rex because he's assmad about versus XIII still, outright attempted to speedrun the last act of kh3 and completely fuck story pacing purely to try and get the legacy characters out of the way. failed so fucking bad we're now going back to sora again anywaysthe end product is a generic, confusing, and frankly uninteresting anime bullshit game with barely any of the charm or oddness of the franchise. people say the series needs to be less disney and FF focused in between breathing exclusively through their mouth and I say thats fucking stupid because thats the literal core of the series, yet if you presented a generic JRPG to them they likely wouldn't even look at it because KH having cloud strife and mickey fucking mouse is why anyone grabbed the shit at the store in the first place. thats like saying you like smash brothers but you'd really love it if it was just a bunch of generic functions while they go on to not buy rivals of aether.
>>721167027Unreal EngineNu DisneyMade by Square-Enix instead of just SquareNu Square-Enix as thatDirected by punished overworked NomuraIt's not just bad, it's dumpster fire tier
>>721167027Why? I dont see anything wrong in itIts just evolving graphics You people are so weird
>>721167027Look at reaction commands in KH2 how well programmed, robust, uninvasive and woven into the real-time gameplay they are.Now look at "cinematic attacks" in FF16. It's pretty clear how far Square have fallen and how little they care about good gameplay.
>>721167027The PS2 graphics have been used for a while they’ve become iconic within the series at this point
>>721167362>And we still have little to no information about KH4You better start rallying up those Silksong fans to start begging for KH4 now
>>721167973KH1 was Lightning in a Bottle
>>721167027>KH3 came out almost seven years ago>The story sucked to the point that no one really cares anymore>KH4 still years away>They don't make side games anymore>Only supplementary content is shitty mobile games>Even the newest shitty mobile game got canceled
>>721168637>Sora's hair gradually gets less spiky with each gameIt's like a visual metaphor for the death of soulBravo nomura
>>721167027KH3 was just that bad
>>721168989>Riku's hair gradually gets spikier with each gamew-what did nomura mean by this
>>721168525I always imagined future KH would just look like the pre-rendered openings of 1 and 2 but they went with realism slop like with every other fucking game
>>721168707can't imagine such a scene happening in KH now.
I liked 3Will be buyed boughtinged 4.That is all.
>>721167973>failed so fucking bad we're now going back to sora again anywaysSora was always going to be the main character throughout the franchise. He was designed to be.KH3 was the end of Xehanort, not Sora.
>>721167027mainlines after KH2 taking a decade to come outalso at least you had a bunch of spinoffs and mobileshit between 2 and 3, there has been nothing for KH4 since shortly after 3's release and it's still 2 years away at best lmoa
>>721168326I wouldn't call KH4's graphics a result of "evolving".
>>721169748wanted to add that of course there is a quality problem, but the cadency of releases is a big problem as well not considered often enough, just for FF look at this shitpost 7th gen (and arguably already that) was a mistake, I wonder if SE will actually try to fix things post 2028 or will just have their big titles taking 5 years instead of 10
>>721167425Mobile games were supposed to be the side games.
>>721169093Riku became the protagonist in DDD, had some kino lore fights against Ansem, then Nomura stopped caring about him. If he wasn't even in 3, you'd hardly notice.
>>721167027probably because there hasn't been a decent KH game since KH2.
>>721170185His story basically concluded with DDD. That was a Riku game with a Riku story. He had the more interesting world interactions while Sora just kinda fucked around. Riku is the one that passed the test. He's a finished character, as his arc that started all the way back in KH1 was finally resolved. So he really doesn't have much to do now.
>>721169748> spinoffsYou fell victim to the classic blunder
>>721169748>spinoffsOh, anon...
>>721167554Both
>>721167425Missing Link was supposed to be that
>>721167027Because we waited fucking ages for KH3, and it was absolute dogshit aside from the DLC which should not have been DLC to begin with. Only to be put back in the waiting room for KH4 which nobody has faith in anymore.
>>721168989It's a metaphor for growing up.
>>721170530> DLC which should not have been DLC to begin with.It's literally the Final Mix release for 3
>>721170383That's the problem. If the show is contractually forced to go on forever, you need to either put "finished" characters on a bus out of town, or figure out some new arc they can journey on. You don't let someone as badass as Riku just stand around looking like a useless idiot.
They dropped the Disney part which is what made it fun. Just having Disney theme isn't what makes KH fun, it's also having the Disney stuff be very self aware of the FF stuff and even being apart of or having stakes in it. This is why KH1 is the best story wise because you have moments like Kingtridn talking about how he knows about key blades and other worlds or how Beast travled across worlds to save Belle. New KH games don't do that anymore. They need to just get rid of the rule that the worlds can't be connected. It never made sense and Disney has always loved having all their characters interact with each other, it's part of the reason why Disney theme parks even exist.
KH4 Sora looking the way he does is a product of the world he is in, people would know that if they weren't fake fans. He isn't going to look like Noctis lite all the time.You can literally find the interview confirming this anywhere online.
>>721167072It’s like removing a series staple, and no, the Moogles hardly count
Why does KH3 look like shit? Like, all the others actually look like they are from their movies. Even with more styled IPs like Herc and Nightmare it still looks good. Everyone looks like how they would even though it's 3D.
>>721170407>>721170467fine handheld titles you know what I meantI'm tired gimme a break
>>721167362>KH3 was released 6 years agoholy fuck somebody pause everything please
You can only pick one to dance with
I miss when the games mixed FF in and wished they went further with it by including more Square properties besides TWEWY.
>>721170812Sometimes I need to step back and think about scenes in KH1. Donald Duck and Goofy have a serious conversation about the fate of reality with Aerith from FF7. This is a real video game.
>>721171192Marry, kill, marry, marry.
>>721171192Well Kairi is useless and Aqua is retarded so that leaves the other two.Does Roxas like to share?
The game canoncially ends with 2 imo. Everything after it has been irredeemable shit
>>721171264>Donald Duck and Goofy have a serious conversation about the fate of reality with Aerith from FF7And in that same scene, Donald pulls a 4th wall gag with the camera. This kind of silly juxtaposition is bizarrely missing from the later entries.
>>721171510Everything after 2 is apocrypha, except my daughter, Xion. She's canon and happy working at a cafe in Twilight Town.
>>721167027Look at the current state of SE and Disney, the cancelled KH projects, and how KH3 turned out, and tell me KH is in a "good place" right now
>>721170812Isn't that a Disney rule though? Even in the parks the mascots have their designated areas. Mickey, Donald, Goofy and the more Disney OC characters are the ones who can move around freely. Even in KH1 some characters talk about how they're aware of the other worlds but outside of using them as summons you don't see them there. Even KH1 is the one who establishes the idea that these worlds need to be kept apart and Sora can't let it slip that there are other worlds or that he isn't from there, hence the whole costume change he occasionally has.
>>721171510I'm at peace with that. People want to keep juicing a series long after it's exhausted, but sometimes you just have to let go.
>>721167072No anon..they became final fantasy, they assimilated. Because of this they serve both roles
>>721171917Disney is intensely strict. They barely even let Square use Mickey Mouse at all in 1. Kingdom Hearts only exists because Michael Eisner was a fucking madman and let things the company otherwise wouldn't permit come to pass.
>>721172434IIRC that was more of a contractual issue rather than a personal Disney rule that they decided to break. Some other company had the licensing rights to Mickey at the time and they had to be convinced to let Mickey show up and even just as a quick moment at the very end and mostly as a silhouette.
>>721167072Eh they already used FF7 to death and Nomura will refuse to use pretty much any character that isn't his. Plus with looks of 3/4 anyone from FF15 will just get confused for a KH character
>>721171917I think it's less about not interacting with the outer worlds and more that every world just rigidly follows the movie script nowadays. Compare the worlds of KH1 and KH2 for example.In KH1, the worlds were a backdrop for the character interactions and used for Sora and friends to learn a series of lessons with an overall theme carried throughout the game. The worlds catered to the story, and while some worlds still have small ties to their source material's plot, they're not the dominant factor. Monstro and Neverland are perfect examples.Then look at KH2. Most of the worlds follow the movie plot very strictly, to the point where if Sora never showed up then nothing in the world would have changed, making your presence in the worlds feel less impactful. The worlds are platforms to tell their own stories and maybe vaguely tie in to the overall theme of the game and it just doesn't feel as natural. Land of Dragons is literally just the plot of Mulan. Halloween Town is literally just Nightmare Before Christmas, etc.The entire rest of the series continues to do this (with only a small handful of exceptions i.e. the Pixar worlds in KH3). It makes the worlds feel less connected because your presence in the world just feels like one big whatever. KH1 handled it better because you were interacting with the world, whereas most future games it feels like you're just watching it happen. Having to watch the finale of Tangled or the entirety of Let It Go recreated in KH3 is a perfect encapsulation of the problems with later entries' Disney worlds.
>>721172852The Pixar worlds in 3 are fun as setpieces, but I still felt that the Disney characters would rather be spending time with anyone else. Jim Hanks sounded like he wanted to fucking kill himself calling Sora a new friend. Sora's biggest bro among all the Disney characters is Hercules.
>>721172852>I think it's less about not interacting with the outer worlds and more that every world just rigidly follows the movie script nowadays.Oh yeah, 100% agree. KH2 I think still pulls it off just because the world's stories are divided in two parts. First time around is basically just the movie but the second time around it'll focus on the OC stuff. I prefer the KH1 approach but I think it still worked in KH2. After that I'm guessing Disney tightened the leash to the point where only Pixar were bros and let Nomura have his fun.
>>721173271Disney gets blamed for a lot of things, but the rigidness found in KH isn't always their fault. Arendelle's inclusion, as well as recreating Let It Go, was entirely the developer's decision. They got an early screening of Frozen several months before its theatrical release and loved it so much they wanted it in the next game not knowing how massive of a success it would eventually be.
>>721173442Also, on a somewhat related note, Disney was 200% okay with having Sora in Smash Bros. It was Nomura being a hyper autist that almost made it not happen.
>>721167027KH4 fucking when? Did they not learn the last time with KH3 and not take a decade and then some to release a sequel?
>>721173442But wasn't the whole issue with the Frozen world that the directors were adamant about not letting the funny japanese man touch their masterpiece? Pixar were the ones who encouraged something original, I think to the point where they consider the events of the game canon within their own canon. I doubt the next Toy Story movie will mention it but it wouldn't surprise me to see some keyblade in the background or something.
>>721173618This is a situation where it actually makes sense why it takes a million years to make a game. It's 50% game, 50% renegotiating the end of WWII every fucking day.
>>721173683Yeah, iirc the creators of the recent properties were still around as opposed to KH1/KH2 so they were protective of their creation. they should have ditched Frozen.
>>721173683Pixar was also very strict about how their properties were handled, including forbidding the writers from copying their movie plots like a lot of KH worlds do. They were also forbidden from adding any sort of enemies or bosses from their worlds which is why both concluded with giant Heartless/Unversed fights.Man, I would have liked to kick Zurg's or Randall's ass in KH.
>>721173964That's the story I heard, at least. Compared to the older movies in the previous games where Disney had the final say, the new ones still had their respective directors have the final say. And with Frozen in particular it was such a behemoth that they weren't going to let some lowly video game smear it. I certainly don't doubt that it was Nomura who wanted Let It Go added but I have to imagine he wanted to have Sora participate in some way, not just staring like an extra in a movie.
>>721174362>I have to imagine he wanted to have Sora participate in some way, not just staring like an extra in a movie.Yeah, that's very likely why Sora feels like such a background prop in the worlds based on more recent titles.
>>721174327Zurg and Randall couldn't really fight, though. Randall's a limpy dweeb and Zurg is a toy with tank legs. DARKNESS could make them stronger, I guess, but I see why the original creators would balk. Not everyone has the irreverant spirit for fanfiction, especially when faced by intensely arrogant Japanese like Nomura himself.
>>721173756Yeah, but the end result is the complete neutering of Disney and FF, again, like KH3. I'd rather they cancel the franchise at this point.
>>721174593>Zurg and Randall couldn't really fight, though.Zurg had a whole ass boss battle in the Toy Story 2 game. You're not thinking creatively enough.And Randall had a whole machine ready to go to kick the trio's ass which didn't work until the climax. But for reasons already stated, it was an Unversed rather than some cool mech.
>>721174791https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htRxH9s7aA8I guess? You would have to take some immense liberties to make this guy a threat to Sora. As a character he's meant to be a joke. Hes not actually supposed to be legitimately dangerous.
>>721171192Kairi. Out of all 4 of them Kairi and Aqua seem like the only ones who know how to dance. Namine and Xion both look like they don't have a clue what their doing. >>721174603I agree with this but they need to first release 3.5 and have Sora become King of Radiant Garden, have him gather an army of FF and Disney characters to challenge and beat Xehanort and make Kairi his wife/ Queen since she is the princess of that world and finally Fuck her.
>>721167072The original premise was "Final Fantasy, but with Disney included." Instead, what we got was "Disney, but with Final Fantasy included." Then it evolved into pretty much just Disney save for Sora and a few other non-FF characters.
>>721175190Kino game.
>>721167027
>>721176709If you play it muted.
>>721167027kh1 and 2 was a bunch of retarded fanfiction but it had fun with the concept, KH3 had to many IP lawyers meddling with it to have any fun with the disney worlds.
Are any of the good DLCs playable on the PC release collections? I know at least one of them is only available as an extended cutscene movie.
>>721178326er, not DLCs, i meant the handheld games
>>721167027>try to finally understand all the mobile plot shit to better understand the series>delistedWhat the fuck is wrong with this series?
>>721178590>This series.It's Square Enix autism.Final Fantasy and Nier both pull the same shit. Kingdom Hearts was just an early adopter of the switch to mobile gacha games, which FF followed soon after, from when Square stopped supporting the DS/3DS
>>721178590You basically have to watch a gay cutscenes compilation of the mobile games on jewtube anyways. Not that those mobile games were playable to begin with.
>>721167027Any thing owned by Square Enix is "in a bad place"Anything having to do with Disney is "in a bad place"
