Can you even innovate FPS in 2025? How will they be able to deliver?
>>721239218by making it in Unreal Engine 5
>>721239287Unreal Engine 5.6!
You dustbin the bangbang bullshit and make an immersive sim.
>>721239218Add RNG
Just make it play like 1. If it is anything like 2, dragged down by things like vehicle sections and unskippable cutscenes, I will probably not buy it.
>>721239287u mean by NOT making it in UE5. I think gamers are not ready for a game that is not a UE slop and actually works on low end hardware
>>721239439Well bad news for you, there are many leaks related to vehicles in Source 2 code, but they also hired Forza Horizon devs so they might be able to pull it off
>>721239574Providing source in case you asked
>FPSDoes it have to be an FPS? It's not like it's a rule or anything. They should just do 3rd person, since it's Half Life *3* and all.
>>721239356What is a example of a immersive sim i keep hearing this term but i dont know what it is
>>721239218just make it fun to play is all
>>721240184wow great thought anon
>>721240184This. Just a solid, fun campaign. All that it needs.
>>721239218What is gonna be gimmick for 3? 2 had physics and gravity gun
>>721241691portal gun in fps setting or some thermodynamic device / fluid dynamics
>>721239218I can't provide a source but I think Gabe said something along the lines of"if we make HL3 instead of chasing graphix we'll make a bet on physics interactions"Sounds like a good idea considering how this path was pretty much abandoned in vidya not counting some crashing buildings in BF games.
>>721241875I don't think he ever said that, but its fucking half life so obviously its true. source engine provides decent enough graphics with high framerates and the gimmick is always the physics and NPC AI
>>721239218By making it actually good.
Be the first game to do fully destroyable environment right
>>721242153How would you make it work with scripted story sequences like in HL2? Too many things to consider that could break
>>721239218The source 2 engine seems like a decent jump from source 1. Materials should get a big jump in graphics.
>>721242235>Too many things to consider that could break>Be the first game to do fully destroyable environment rightThat's the point
>>721242240Who cares about that though? Gameplay innovation is what is needed
>>721242240>cs2 meme clouds What other than that does it do that is unique?
Half life 3 deus ex thief like
>>721241875Which is funny since Source 2 is beautifulIt absolutely rapes any plastic looking UE5 game, but normalfags don't even know about it since the only game actually making use of it is VR slop
>>721242385Please no.
>>721242240They already did source 2 in Alyx, that's not new anymore. HL3 needs to be new
>>721242415>normalfags>VRslopYou are the normalfag
>>721239218Valve could've been smart and release the game in 2013 without the whole "innovate FPS" thing.Now they know people expect something magical they can't deliver. Game could be better then everything they made up until now and people would still be upset.
>>721242375You have to remember that the only Source 2 branch we have seen was for a VR game and multiplayer titles. The updated Source 2 for their next singleplayer non vr title is a different beast
>>721242308I mean in terms of physics as well. Imagine hydrophobia but good and it actually uses water physics to solve puzzles. Cloth, vegetation, and dirt surfaces can actually be changed and used in clever ways. Think of the terrain mechanic in MX vs ATV reflex.
>>721242415why is it so grey
>>721242584It's in East Europe
Physics but more advanced compared to source 1. Also simulation tech like vegetation simulation that makes trees both animated and varied.
>>721242645>simulation tech like vegetation simulation that makes trees both animated and variedWhy do you need this one specifically? Seems like a waste of resources to be honest
>>721242976Because that's the only meaningful way to improve visuals at this point.
>>721239218Something with AI.
>>721242976Your mentaility is why modern games are so soulless.
>>721243053I hope you mean NPC AI as we know it and not LLM slop
>>721243094The vegetation moves in Half Life Alyx in the Zoo level if you touch / walk in it. Already done
>>721239218Half Life 1 and 2 were not even half as Innovative as people claim they were. This modern "VALVE HASN'T RELEASED HALF LIFE 3 CAUSE THEY WANT IT TO BE SUPER INNOVATIVE AND HALF LIFE HAS ALWAYS BEEN ABOUT PUSHING THE MEDIUM FORWARD!" Is literally a narrative that started on Reddit to try and justify why the game hasn't come out in the last decade and a half. The truth is that Valve just doesn't make games anymore, they made their money and became a defacto monopoly and now Gabe floats around on his 30 or so Yachts all day while doing nothing and having a cult that worships him despite having done nothing of note for almost 20 years.The Valve who made games is not the same company as today. Temper your expectations early before you get hurt.
>>721239218No need to innovate hl2 formula was a hit, people just want to follow through on the damn story they put 20 years in hiatusThey'll probably try to add gay platforming like doom or some rpg mechanics I'm sure of it
>>721243128I think AI has great potential when it comes to physics in video games. Simulating realistic physics through honest calculations is too powerhungry, AI could be a very effective shortcut.But also imagine communicating with NPC's through your mic. AI could be very innovative, and it's a shame that its use is restricted to upscaling and generating fake frames which only works well when you already have good framerate.
>>721239218arguably the next step would be on-fly generation of everything, be it destruction physics or character interactions. probably will require hadware AI acceleration and your firstborn will drown in a bathtub if you don't reply to this post
>>721243524Toxotranny
>>721243524>implying I will ever have kidsNigger.
>firstbornThats new and newniggery like i acare Toxotranny thinks we are normalniggers or something
>>721242418Please yes
>>721239287Shut the fuck up Timmy.
>>721243218>Half Life 1 and 2 were not even half as Innovative as people claim they were.Yes they were. Their pacing for a campaign-based FPS is unmatched.
>>721239218Custom controller which is a mouse with an analog stick. You play with two of these. The sticks control your walking and your viewport like with a controller, and the mouse movement controls the cursor for two dual-wielded weapons. Game requires fast reactions, precise aim and twitch shots.
>>721242415>VR slopI'm getting real sick of you flatlet faggots
>>721239218Based on the company's strategy with the rumor of Steam Frame thing, I think they'll use HL3 as this killer app for a hybrid title that can be both VR and nonVR game.
Half-Life Alyx works on a GTX 980, and the graphics are still very good. Half-Life 3 will look great.
>>721242235Do it like Red Faction. The first game was essentially a boomer shooter with destructible physics.
>>721239218MOSShttps://youtu.be/txkxLR2lF3M?si=dnOg_eioWlydmKhG
Half Life 3 will look incredible because it will only ever exist in your mind lmaoNEVER EVER
>>721239218desu I always thought Half-Life was overrated. It was okay back then, but I never felt the need to replay it, and whenever I forced myself to, I realized it aged like milk, especially all these overly scripted events. It did start a huge legacy of mods that surpassed it, but Half-Life was never that good.It remains iconic, but I have a lot more fun replaying other games like Unreal, Sin, Rainbow Six, or even fucking Halo.
>>721245949Yeah it is amazing if you time travel back to 2004. Everyone was so excited and thinking how games will play 20 years later. Well here we are... let's hope we can get this moment again if they ever release HL3
>>721240096Day of Sex
>>721239218A good way to innovate today is to avoid the many "innovations" of the past few years, like resource collection, crafting, loot boxes... and go back to proper shit like stealth and immersive sims.
>>721239678They also hired Rockstar's RAGE people too; they're really all in on this vehicle simulation thing.
>>721239218I wanted to make an FPS that controls like classic System Shock but you're in a power suit protecting you from interdimensional anomalies.
HL3 is too good for this timeline.
>>721239218Make an aussie simulator where you only have boomerangs as weapons and can use emus as mounts
>>721246331Also it would have melee combat like Condemned.
>>721240096It's a corpo buzzword
>>721239218>innovateit will be game of the decade as long as it ends with "NOW ABOUT THAT BEER I OWED YA"
>>721241779They added the portals to deadlock
If Gordon Freeman could speak, he would be telling us (gamers) to be better men.
>>721246679AND... GORDON... YOU KNOW... I'VE ALWAYS HAD A THING FOR YOU credits rollHalf Life: Barney announced
>>721241875It's smart because other than Rockstar and Nintendo, nobody cares about physics interactions anymore in AAA sphere. Also Source 2 is already good-looking enough judging by HLA, so graphics don't really matter at this point.
>>721246750Yeah its a backport from Half-Life 3
>>721248309they snatched devs from all the best companies for hl3
>>721239287>by making it in Unreal Engine 5They should use Unreal Engine 3.
>>721246750Deadlock seems to be the dumping ground of some ideas from the scrapped version of Episode 3/HL3.>The zipline hopping>Portals in a shooter setting>Ice gunKinda wish they brought those ideas into the current version of HL3 as well.
>>721243518>But also imagine communicating with NPC's through your mic.Yeah very innovative, by the way LifeLine came out in 2003.
>>721239218>How will they be able to deliver?They can't. That's why it's never coming out.
It will never live up to 20 years of hype.
>>721256264Wanna bet its announced within 5 months? We can do 500 bucks or even higher if your conviction is really high :)
>>721256339Half Life Alyx delivered, why can't HL3? They have infinite money and time
>>721239387>morrowind style dicerolls not for damage but hit chance>snipers are now near worthless outside of stealth>shotguns dont need to be cotton candy cannonswith a bit of balancing this could actually work
>>721239218I don't give a fuck about innovation I just want solid continuity of the game's plot with the same feel as Half Life 1
I feel like if they don't wait for VR to become accessible to everyone and make it a VR game then there's no point. But it may be a while. That's IF they actually want to innovate.But innovation may not be necessary as long as they make the game with love for the gamer fans.
>>721256576>Half Life Alyx delivered,no it didn't, just being VR made it ass
>>721256364I bet you a half eaten snickers that its going to get announced within 93 days and 23 hours
>>721258286it did deliver when it comes to being a vr game...
by making it in augmented reality. you grab a real gun and load real ammo into it and you point it at people pretending to shoot by shouting PCHEW PCHEW! I am the half life man PCHEW!
>>721239321https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ
>>721239218>incredulous at the thought that a game could be innovative enough for the innovation-obsessed developer that hasn't announced said game>still concludes that the game is being madePut 2 and 2 together, anon.>but they have to finish the storyyyyyyyyyyNo they don't. They could have made and released Episode Three at a time when it was just expected to be another short episodic game, and wouldn't have needed any further innovation but rather would have needed simply to wrap up the dangling plot threads, perhaps with some made-up-on-the-spot sci-fi magic bullshit if writing is hard. It would have been easy enough. I point this out to emphasize the fact that Valve chose not to do it. Cancelling the series at the end of Episode Two's what-the-fuck cliffhanger was a statement about how they don't give a shit about the story and how not everything has to be a trilogy. But gamers can't take a hint, and instead took their unwillingness to develop a small game as some kind of confirmation that they were developing a big game instead, and still believe it after nearly two decades. Tiny smooth-brained gamers. So sad.
>>721240096Starcraft
>>721242068Something like this was at the end of the vidoc, but if we interpret HLX leaks as Half Life then all of the new shit is physics based, ie blood on tires will make you slippery etcBig if true
>>721263489We're literally few months away from Half-Life 3 announcement you retard
>>721246679He's gonna be your companion in 3 btw
>>721265425Obviously. Alyx is in stasis and Eli is a one legged boomer
Is Eli actually angry because Gordon won't get to impregnate his daughter?
>>721265425>>721265553Half Life 2: Blue Shift 2play as civil protection fighting the resistance
>>721239218Make a game that actually runs and doesn't require a 40gb day 1 patch.
>>721265405>"We're literally few months away from Half-Life 3 announcement you retard" ― Anonymous, 2009>"We're literally few months away from Half-Life 3 announcement you retard" ― Anonymous, 2010>"We're literally few months away from Half-Life 3 announcement you retard" ― Anonymous, 2011>...
>>721266830We've never been more closer to an actual Half-Life 3 coming out. Check the leaks. They are doing optimization work which is late stages.
>>721239218Realtime physics and destruction that's actually well optimized and lets you do shit like fill a room with water, freeze it, dig tunnels through the ice and then melt it again etc.or just destructible buildings that can collapse under their own weight and don't magically stay up until you destroy enough support pillars like Teardown.
When are they gonna release Source 2 to the public? I wanna make a porn game with Rubikon physics.
>>721267417Aren't rumors indicating that it's going to do something like this along with having wind effects?
What if they add skins to singleplayer
it will end with gordon freeman bleeding out in the snow epic ryan gosling style and he will speak too
>>721273291>I am...the HALF-LIFE
I believe VR truly is the future of FPS. To truly make VR advantageous over mouse&keyboard, it'll be a game where you have pistols in both hands and you have to aim them independently of each other. This act is impossible on mouse&keyboard.
>>721239218Making a competent FPS would be the most innovative thing you could do in >current year
>>721242534They nearly revealed Episode 3 and it was in deep production. Valve did a documentary on it a year ago. They canned it because it was out of date tech wise.And HL3 is 100% coming.A anon last year on this board posted a Valve employee's LinkedIn account! They had their CV up and the employee was in short working on a prestigious single player fps and was working on level design and combat encounters.If you know you know.Loads of data miner has also proved HL3 has been in development at this point for like 4 years.
>>721243218Go play any fps pre HL1.They are all Doom clones but just get better graphics.
>>721269343Yes.CS2 also uses the voxel tech with smoke grenades, you can shoot through the smoke and it realistically deforms when you fire through it. Or blow the smoke away with a grenade.
>>721239218A lot of leaks show procedural world destruction systems and AI logic. Some invitations are literally the thing that we already have only done properly and in the right circumstance. I think fully dynamic world will be the main selling point with advanced AI that will properly react to it... for once.
I just want her back bros...
>>721276170why did they downgrade her for VR?
>>721275567That's cool
>>721276669If you're talking about her model you weren't supposed to see it up close.
>>721239218They will make perfect ai companion, there is no other option. Valve always took experimental notions and then bruteforced then into extremely well created games. Except artifact lmao.Still, hl1, hl2 and even shit alyx all represent that. Now that ai is everywhere we can expect either amazing lively companions and enemies or new ai director building be unique playthrough every time.
VALVE SHOULD MAKE A REAL TIME STRATEGY GAME. REINVIGORATE THE GENRE.
>>721239218They're doing stuff with temperature and material qualities. Whether it will be a good game or just gimmicky physics sim stuff only time will tell.
>>721277996why can't they just innovate "good fucking game" instead of trying to larp cutting edge computer scientists
>>721256339If it's just as good as Black Mesa, I'll be satisfied.
>>721239218>10 different endings made by choices in the game that actually branch out the game into completely different games with different levels and enemies.>borderline real-life simulation of thermodynamics that is incorporated into the weapons>releasing it with Steam Frame which allows you to play with the headset on with mouse and keyboard>Extreme lore with dynamic dialogue>revolutionary AI that prioritizes survival and can modulate its abilities>open maps that are dense and every room/area can be entered>infinite textures which allows you to zoom extremely close and provide variable resolution always maintaining a high quality textureIdk, this is a tough one, but I think Valve has a chance.
IDK about le innovation but holy shit where is the fps that was supposed to replace tf2 after valve abandoned it?I want the TF2 killer I was promised and I want it NOW
>>721239218https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Elwb2lV88hMROACH AI
>>721239218
>>721280347Dude's starting to look like Breen.
>>721277661I think having a big robot companion like Dog will be the big leap for that due to the design difference, considering how big and powerful Dog is compared to your typical human/vortigaunt companion you got throughout the series. It'll be essentially like something out of The Last Guardian mixed in with the Half-Life framework. Also, an overhaul to the squad system would've been nice. Half-Life 2 squad system is ass I have to say.
>>721275567They're gonna use their voxel smoke tech thing for an enemy or two I bet. They've been trying to do a sentient cloud concept since HL2 beta, no way they're gonna waste it again. https://youtu.be/bvu1p5VHVQg?si=WOo_YnuIvXIL0Dnr
>>721282307that's part of the plan
>>721239218bring back the jump pack
>>721279240all in 50 gbs, if someone can do it, it's valve.
