>>721264509I don't care about this little chime tapping tellytubby. He should've rightly been burned alive by the Last Judge. How did he even make it to the citadel? LOYAL MERGWIN is the best character, perhaps the only character save for Grindle.
>>721264694>How did he even make it to the citadel?he had true faith and was free of sin, the hunters journal description of the last judge even says her job is to make sure only those free of sin ever make it beyond the gates of the citadel
so which has the best map?silksong seems better designed, but hollow knight had the better atmosphere
>>721264972Hallownest no question. Much of Pharloom sadly feels like videogame levels recklessly cobbled together.
>>721264972I think Hallownest wins out for me but not by much, and probably wouldn't if I'd played Silksong first
Feels bad beating game too late. The threads are turning into typical HK shitposting bait trash threads. I have little time before all meaningful discussions dies out
>>721264972I happen to find City of Tears pretty overrated, but Silksong doesnt have anything quite as cozy as Greenpath/Garden and is overall too bleak/run-down.
>>721264694He followed you
>>721264904>Faith>SinNigga one of the primary themes of the game is that the religion is a bullshit means of supplicating the workforce, claiming that this little boy's 'faith' protected him from the hundreds of insanely murderous hazards is insane. He is a baby-yoda tier marketing ploy and it righteously pisses me off to see so many trannies-in-training falling for cuteness over LOYAL MERGWIN's countless virtues.
What’s the purpose of this big empty water cave at the end of putrified ducts? Is this another “sorry, story hasn’t happened yet, come back later” act 3 thing?
>>721264972Hallownest feels like Team Cherry first brainstormed what a bug kingdom would logically look like and how its areas/infrastructure would interconnect. Pharloom feels like a gamey collection of Metroidvania areas for the most part. Also Pharloom doesn't emphasize the CLIMB aspect as much as the developers initially told us it would. Reaching the Cradle feels no more elevated than reaching Crystal Peak.
>>721265365It's the gypsy promised land.
>>721264972HK has a better world, SS has better level design.
>>721265349>LOYAL MERGWIN's countless virtuesbeing a bootlicker?
>>721265365I think that's the new caravan location once you rescue enough fleas
>find wanderer crest>feels worse>find beast crest>feels worsebros... should I just upgrade hunter already.. I've been holding off on crest upgrades because I assume they're very limited and I expected to find a crest I enjoyed more but I'm starting to get worried
>>721264972pharloom is so much nicer to navigate blind. the game nudges you in the right direction, where hk lets you run in circles until you happen to stumble upon the thing you need
>>721265250anon... I haven't even found act 2 yet...
>>721265560>wanderer crest>feels worseHe doesn't know...
>>721265506Confidence, charm, and selflessness. Sherma is a blatant narcissist who employs performative kindness and naivete for personal advancement.
>>721265349>Nigga one of the primary themes of the game is that the religion is a bullshit means of supplicating the workforceJust because GMS is running a jonestown cult doesn't mean the game is critiquing the idea of having faith as a whole, the most virtuous and sinless of the pilgrims also happens to be the only one who completes his ascent unscathed
>>721265349The religion of the pilgrims is older than the current state of the Citadel, so we have no reason to believe it's fake. The Citadel itself is older than the whole Silk ordeal and they pilgrimaged there before it turned into a mechanical monstruosity.
>>721265250Unlucky. These threads were great until some very angry individuals who just want to attack other people for no reason latched onto them.
>>721265560you get enough memory lockets to unlock every crest slot
>>721265648
>>721265365In addition to what the others have said, that cave serves to show what the entire area was like before the citadel began dumping its waste there
>>721265662I assume it's "the highest dps" or whatever, but it feels like the game is made for the diagonal pogo and the short range scares me>>721265838Huh, surprising, ty I guess I'll just fully unlock hunter
>>721265365It was promised to the (((fleas))) three thousand years ago.
how likely are we to get an act 4 where you help rebuild Pharloom? because it sure feels like shit to be booted back right before LL after beating her
>>721265893i had the same thought, but it's because i was used to the slight delay of hunter's pogo. Wanderer has no delay at all so you can jump on top of anything and attack down to pogo instantly.
>>721265690Imagine how kino it would've been if Sherma turned out to be the trve villain all along ...
>>721266195imagine getting so assmad you make this
poshanka!
>Start a boss with 700 fragments>Die over and over gain>Run out of fragments to craft traps>Use up my reserve scrap I bought with rose>Run out of it again>Try to do the boss without traps>Perfect everything but still not there>Switch to Hunter, Equip Barbed Bracelet>Defeat the boss>Get addicted to the it>Never take it offPlease tell me there's a "Tool" slot item later in the game thats passive bonus or somethingOr a fast attacking Crest with no tool set
>>>/vg/General begone.
>>721266195just go back to the other thread bro
>>721266140Oh my science, is that a heckin' subverted expectation?! Me and my friends on reddit would find that totally awesomesauce!!!
Just got the witch crest, and it was refreshing ot get around without trinkets for a little bit. It's too easy to find maps and have the compass on all the time. Should have had a sidequest in act 2 to upgrade the compass, because it gets confused inside citadel because of magnetic ores or something.
>>721264509The Pale King should've given Hornet full blooded sibling.
>>721266195Yeah, it is over the second they released the boss rush DLCs.
>>721266318>tfw no Shakra wife
>>721266531Herrah should've negotiated for it
>>721266518Witch crest is based due to range but it has such a shitty heal I can't justify upgrading/using it
>>721266518>upgrade the compassWhat?
PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP PLAP
>>721265250Thread's useful if you're stuck somewhere and not sure where to go. Otherwise yeah the brief wild west period where nobody knows anything yet has passed.
Wait a minute. Hollow Knight calls Herrah a "common beast" as if she weren't really a Weaver. But Hornet is called "half-Weaver" in Silksong. Did they just retcon that bit?
What do the dice do? I just brought them from grindle because I missed them in act 2
>>721266337There's a crest with three silk spell slots and no tools in Act 3
:(
>>721266801sometimes they negate damage
>>72126680110% chance to block a hit and slightly increases Wanderer's crit rate
>>721266796Could be a retcon yes. But compared to Higher Beings like the PK, even Weavers are plain.
>>721266796Is that a hunters journal entry or something? I don't see why the residents of Hallownest would recognize the weavers as anything other than common beasts given higher minds by the pale king
>>721266889
>>721266726Made for big void tentacles.
>>721267050i saw it but cant find it
you can hit the zap tool to angle it
>>721266965>>721267001No, it's mentioned Herrah is a "common beast" when her husband dies pre-HK lore, because it was considered strange for them to be together. It's assumed her husband was a "pure Weaver" or something whereas Herrah was more like the monsters you fight in the Weaver area in HK.
>>721264972Hallownest feels more well thought out and has more memorable areas.>lake above city of tears>the Pale King's wyrm carcass coiling around Kingdom's edge and covering the area in "snow">the Void lighthouse>Mantis village keeping Deepnest in check.>3 higher beingsMeanwhile Silksong>rainy/water area under the infected maggot swamp and underwork lava pools>Bilewater connected to the Vaults for some reason>Exhaust Organ's mass grave not connected to the whiteward corpse dump/cremation chamber, instead it leads to the Architect.>Bilewater got polluted by the Putrified ducts, they don't actually connect to anything, the industrial area of the Citadel is barely connected to Bilewater(and even then at worst it just produces smoke and scrap metal)>Greymoor directly worked for the Citadel but is separated from the Citadel by a jungle full of cultists and Vietnam>super cold snowy area right on top of a dried out desert
>>721264509Forced reddit character
>>721264972Silksong is better designed gameplay wise in how it lets you approach things from multiple ways, and be able to deal with stuff without needing all the tools.Hollow Knights is better thought out as a world.
>>721265580weirdly i had the opposite experiencei never had to go "ok where the fuck do i go now really?" with HK but had to with the sequel. then again could just be a side effect of brain damage caused by browsing this site for years
>>721265893i played the whole game with it and didn't have any issue with the pogo. there's multiple crests with a similar pogo so they accounted for it.
>>721267342Greymoor is based because the reason it's so grey is because it sits directly under the citadel and is covered with spent silk dregs that are constantly falling from it. All the bugs you fight in that area are ones tasked with gathering/cutting/storing those dregs to presumably return to the citadel, which is why they have the "weapons" they do, they're all designed for silk cleanup. It's one of the more well thought out places.
finished act 2 after 36 hours. How bad am I? I did every quest though
>>721267837don't worry about time on a first playthrough, it doesn't mean anything
>>721267837I needed 30 hours just to finish Act I
>>721267724>because it sits directly under the citadelIt doesn't though, it sits under Wisp Thicket and Sinners RoadIf it was well thought out Greymoor would be under the underworks, maybe even the whiteward dump so they can justify needing to reclaim silk from the ashes of dead bodies/justify the gloomy atmosphere(but this wouldn't explain the rain either).
>>721265349His faith inspired him to go beyond his limits and show compassion to everyone who had fallen. Religion in of itself isn't a bad thing: it's only the organization that abuses faith and monetizes it for its own ends that's evil. God's church is the people, not the organizational structure that controls the people. That's why it's so nice to see Sherma's faith rewarded in the end. Under his guidance, it's possible the religion of Pharloom will be changed for the better. Rather than one seeking immortality through physical means, it could someday be one that seeks spiritual immortality through good deeds and good works!
Damm so I just finished Silksong and don't know what to play next. Would really like some non ironic RPG, but nothing concrete comes to mind.On my should play soon list I have>Mind Over Magic>X4>Touhou: Fearless Frogslayer>Another run of Crusader Kings 3>Deltarune>Robert on Earth>Dual EclipseI find games by looking at a list of recently cracked stuff
This was the hardest boss I ever had to deal with
>>721268061There is no rain. That's all silk dregs. You're right though it could have been placed a little better. It's still technically under the citadel but there's other stuff in between. If it went Citadel -> Whiteward -> Underworks -> Greymoor it would make the most sense.
>>721267837I'd say that's a normal/average time
What does the little screaming baby do? I carelessly died from a pogo explosion and didn’t get the dumb thing, and I apparently missed opening the one way wall that would make getting back there less of a fucking chore. Do I need it for Act 3? My patience with this game is wearing thread thin
>>721268484it unlocks a meme ending and a very annoying quest to get a good crest
>>721268451>Double damageGee, I wonder why.
>>721267837I took me double that.
>>721268484You get a new crest out of it>Is the crest good?Maybe
>>721268006samebeat act 2 at 60h and finished the game at 80h + 100% at 85
the ambush at this part was the scariest shit. two fucking scissor men in the dark.
>>721268430Emulate Odin Sphere
where the fuck is the colloseum of fools equivalent in this game?I need to kill!I NEED TO KILL!
>>721268484Crying baby is required to get a Crest.And also to get an alternate Act 2 ending.
>>721268610wait for DLC :^)
ESHCANOEESHCANOHOOOOOOOOEEEEE
>>721268610coral arena gauntlet best I can do
>>721267226That's correct
>>721268606>EmulateThat's a bit of a chore, but I'll add it to the list
>>721264972hallownest is a much more coherent and interconnected world. We used to think The Hive stuck out like a sore thumb, but silksong has several shallow awkward areas like the hive (wisp thicket, mount fay, verdania, the coral tower, sands of karak, even the new abyss)HK1 was also more true exploration and a world that you carve your own path through which was only bad for people who had a brainlet moment like >>721265580>>721267471HK1 outright gives you more freedom in exploring areas in different orders without having the necessary tools. Not to mention pogoing on your own shadeSS is a lot more railroaded. You get branching paths or different ways to reach a location but no real route variety
>>721268061>It doesn't though, it sits under Wisp Thicket and Sinners RoadThe world is not 2D, anon. The Citadel is on top of the mountain, Underworks and Whisp Thicket are inside the mountain. Greymoor is somewhere on the middle, which is bellow the Citadel, but not underneath it.
Caretaker: I see you have found the source of the thread bullshit or whateverMe: No i havent whatHornet: Yes of course randomly whacking niggers has led me to believe every bug has kil la kil sentient silk in them or whateverCaretaker: Yes of course, and now you probably know who i amMe: No i dont whatHornet: Yes of course its obviousAm i just retarded or what, what is going on
>first boss in the game has the best themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vick40gW0mE
>>721267668Did you feel like the range difference was noticeable or not really?I already feel like I'm swinging and not hitting enemies pretty frequently
>>721268610bruh every other room in Silksong is the trial of the fool
>>721268610Yea, the game hones your killing skills but then there's nothing worth using it for.
>>721268547>>721268575>>721268629Fuck it then, I’m just using the base crest anyway. Though I’m probably just going to quit soon. I’ve unlocked all the fast travel, so I’ve explored most of the game, and I’m sick of running around doing random crap waiting for Act 3 to open up, hoping that’ll make the game more fun than tedious for me again. Thanks anons.
>>721266195trvke
>>721268889>implyinghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZaZoY4f9-8
>>721268610With how cancerous some gauntlets are in Silksong I'm very afraid of possible Coliseum expansion
>>721268938it was noticeable at first but i got used to it after a little bit.
>>721268884Hornet knows more than you do. (You)'ll find out in time.
>>721268884Did you beat Groal?
>>721268548Glass cannon all day everyday brotherI wish I could do even more damage and take even more damage
>>721266318mieszko!
>>721268457>>721268061greymoor feels like a complete nothingburger because theres literally fucking nothing in it. Its like the Forgotten Crossroads in terms of "not much specific circumstances happen here" except that makes sense specifically for the crossroads because they were in fact crossroads, where a lot is blatantly stored and theres some commerceMeanwhile in greymoor literally nothing happens. Theres no notable groups or organizations to speak of, other than the crow fuckers that have literally zero defined interactions or goals with anybody else, which is comically shallow compared to the Soul Sanctum or the Mantis Tribe or whateverlike genuinely, almost every single area in silksong that isnt directly attached to the Citadel is a complete unfiltered nothingburger plot-wise. Just compare the ants to the mantis tribe
>You can button mash to extend the duration of thread storm>You can button mash to extend the witch crest's charge attackWhat other "hidden" moves are there that work like this?
>>721268889they dropped this track way too early and then it basically never showed up again right?
>>721264509POURRIS MOI LA MOULINETTE DETRUIS DONC LA FOUFOUNETTED'UN ENFANT SUR LE BANC
>>721269184you can WHAT
>>721269184you can hold the button during the architect pogo and dashing attack to 'charge' them for about double damage and additional range
>>721268730Its Dolphin so it really isnt
>>721269223I put this into google translate and now I'm on a watchlist. Thanks froganon.
Lost Lace doesn't have a third phase right...
>>721269184If you hold down the button when using the backdash charm, Hornet will scuttle around on the ground like a funny little crab
>>721269184You can also do Witch Crest's charged attack while moving.
>>721269220It's reused when you fight Moorwing and Pinstress
Tfw no fat bug gf
Having Lace 3 as the true final boss feels like if Sekiro ended with fighting Genichiro 3 without Isshin.
>>721269448disloyal WHORE
make way for the baddest bitch in town
>>721268430>X4As in Megaman X4? If so then play that
>>721269156It's fucking insane how the entire lore of Greymoor is hidden behind two optional NPCs.They'll tell you how it used to be the main food-production site of the citadel until the zealots took the reigns from the weavers (or gms took control of Pharloom) and turned it into a silk-capturing site.That's why the weapons of the enemies in the area are shaped that way. That's why the area consists of two windmills (that's what the two towers are). And that's why there's a food storage hidden above the disgraced chef boss fight.Without those two telling you this, you'd never know.
>>721268889>the trailer music from years ago ngl I basedface a little bit when the moorwing fight started
>>721269563What do you mean? Leaving Zote to die is canon.
>>721269603As in, the game X4.
When Hornet hangs from a ring, it suspiciously looks like she has her hands tied up on it. Just look at the animation. YOU JUST KNOW!
>>721267837mine is going to be more than that. i'm at 30 hours and have 0 songs.
>>721269448she belongs to Zote's dick
>>721269329Is Odin Sphere actually on Dolphin?
>>721269685If it wasn't Zote it'd be some other faggot poser bug. These hoes ain't loyal.
>>721269463Geni 3 is a jobber, having your anime rival be the final boss works in this context story wise. I don't think she's that fun mechanically though, especially compared to the radiance
I think they forgot to design this boss.
>>721269638the trailer music was the void climb song though
So how exactly were you meant to figure out the way in the mist? Sure, you get the cue to follow the butterflies but that's it; they do not move in the mist so I thought that I had to go towards another group of them and the ones closest to an exit was the key. Would have helped if the hallway just outside the mist with the butterfly had a needolin item there that would trigger the butterfly or something.
>>721269941just use wanderer and bounce on her head
>>721269941Literally. Maybe it's a punishment for those who don't use diagonal pogo crests?
Where do find the key to The Unravelled's pit? I can't focken remember it
>>721269941I spammed boltvessel bolas into its face and it almost instantly died.
>>721269956there was a second trailer in 2021 or 2022
>>721269903my qualm with geni 3 is that not only hes too much of a jobber, the fact you have to fight him every time you want to fight SSI is not only a little lame, it also forced them to make SSI easier, his third phase is practically a victory lapif i was the CEO of fromsoft i would have made it like this>genichiro 3 is more of a real fight with more fancy black-mortal-blade attacks>checkpoint after genichiro, in the first time you defeat him, you get your gourds back
>>721270095Furnace hallway, check for hidden area above vertical shaft.
>>721270095It's in a completely bullshit hidden room in the ceiling all the way to the right
>>721270032It was badly designed because literally everyone thought the same bro dont worry about itNot to mention that you have to play your needoline for quite some time to make them move
>>721270032You gotta for their help
>>721270095fake ceiling in whiteward, at the exit of the room with the bean guys and the furnace there's a ceiling you can jump through
>>721270032It requires curiosity.>geez, i wonder what happens when i needolin these flies
>>721269309The spirits from the Mist fit ghost better
>>721269903Lace 3 is a way more intense and complex fight of course, but I don't think it has the narrative impact TC intended simply because the game doesn't shed enough light on Lace as a character and her interactions with Hornet are scarce, especially next to all the NPCs Hornet constantly runs into and forms bonds with.
I WANNA REFIGHT FIRST SINNER AND KARMELITAFUCKING PUT IN THE ARENA ALREADY TC YOU FUCKS!JUST PUT IN A MENU IN THE BENCH LIKE ENDER LILIES!
i like the voice of these guys
>>721270179>Not to mention that you have to play your needoline for quite some timeI think the bigger issue is that the needolin is rarely used. You could have used it only once after you've gotten it if you didn't go back to some of those doors, which doesn't exactly make players think it's a tool that they have at their disposal.
>>721270032>Okay this is CLEARLY not working I'm just moving in circles or some shit>Is this a secret woods situation? I'll move left all the time, see if it just repeats or what>Okay it's not that simple, what do I have to work with>I sometimes reach a corridor in which these fireflies go through the exit>Wait there are fireflies around here, like, just around, not in a lamp or anything>(Big brain moment here)That's how it went for me, the whole thing took like 20 min
>>721270545Don't nearly all the cogwork robots have the same voice?
>>721264509The hell do i do with this thing, it constantly screaming in my inventory is annoying, i thought i had to bring it to the specimens asking npc in greymoor but that doesn't seem to be the caseAlso for all the doom and gloom everyone says about bilewater, it didn't end up being all that bad although i can see the runback for the boss area can be cancer, thankfully i managed to beat the guy in my second try.
>>721270553I played it in Bellhart as soon as I got it and the bug there started singing, imagine most people did the same especially if they played the first one as it's similar to the Dream Nail
>>721270032It's the same shit with Mount Fay. You enter a new area that seems untraversable at first, and you're unsure if you missed an item in a different area, so you leave. TC forgot the genre of their own game multiple times while designing it.
>>721270720take it to the npc in shellwood
>>721270474That's why Silksong would benefit greatly having a Lace DLC. They just need to make sure not to feature-creep it into becoming a standalone game.
>>721270720There's one other root npc you have most probably interacted with. A while ago now.Hint1: After bellheartSolution: Greyroot. The one that asks you for those purple pollipsAlso There's a secret ending related to this quest and that you can miss out on, might want to look that up, AFTER visiting greyroot
>>721270746Yeah I was waiting for a cold-resist upgrade after I first found it. Didn't even notice the damn rings.
Key of the Apostate? I just got all my shit back and found the bell beast statiom
This is my personal list of the bosses i've beaten
>>721270937It's nowhere near the Slab
>>721270937Much later in act 2.
vittu
>>721270629I definitely knew that those fireflies were a part of the solution but I just didn't know how exactly. I had so many other areas to explore that I gave up and went elsewhere. Got spoiled from one of these threads. Can't say I'm annoyed as it saved me time.>>721270738>I played it in Bellhart as soon as I got it and the bug there started singing, imagine most people did the sameI didn't. I just didn't want to because it used up silk. I know it's silly but that little thing disincentivised me for doing so.>>721270746>>721270913I noticed the rings from far fields and blasted steps so I guess that was never an issue for me.
>>721269941definitely the most low effort boss in act 3
>>721271008where groal?
>>721271103nyymi mitä vittua
Boss fights aside, how is the Silksong metroidvania exploration compared to Hollow Knight 1?
>>721271147Forgot him, he's B tier
>>721268430i decided on octopathplaying the 3h demo rn
Why is Shakra like twice as hard as any other boss I've faced so far? I'm getting my shit pushed in hard.
>FUCK OFF
>>721271008Trobbio was a great boss fight what are you on about. Do your eyes not work very well?
>>721271227I didn't like octopath wheni tried it because it just felt like a collection of unrelated storylines between the characters.
>>721271249Because she can fucking teleport and attack 50ms after teleporting.The fight becomes fun once you learn her attacks though.
>>721271305B Tier is generous I had about as much fun with him as savage beastfly 2no they dont
>>721271271pogo
>>721271305NTA, but Trobbio is kinda mid while TTrobbio is an S-tier fight.
>>721271428duhh
bitterly disappointed that Pharloom does not have a Deepnest equivalenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dHFv-dAND4>inb4 wormwaysare you trying to be funny?
The expanded Deep Docks is such a nigger area. Why are there no benches in this shit?
>>721271587wormways>LE BUT-wormways
>>721271646are you trying to be funny?
>>721271008here is the objective list
>>721271623There is but it's so using the key early isn't a complete waste
How to kill the ceiling nigger in the wormways tunnel?
>>721271218It's unequivocally worse sadly. The movement almost makes up for it thoughever.
>>721271752toolspoison tools
>>721271752stand under the platform, hit him once or twice and get back under
>>721270032There's literally nothing else in the area except for enemies. After a few loops you're bound to try interacting with the fireflies.
>>721271752Hit him, I did it at the beginning of the game and he took forever to kill, I thought he was invincible but he does die, would probably be easier to kill with dash and dodge I imagine
why are there bells everywhere?
>>721271008Is the big flea even considered a boss?
>>721268610TC spread the colosseum around the entire game this time
>>721264904>Last judge only let in those free of sin>immediately attacks hornetIf anything this proves she is indeed a whore who had bug sex with many other bugs, probably way too many to count
Act three should have been more hidden, no quest objectives. Should have taken players over a week to figure out
>>721272113she tells this in the journal, why would she lie about it
>>721271720This is like a 9/10 bench only because it's so far away from anything. It could be 10/10 if they put it one or even two screens away from the fast travel.Grand Bellway bench is far and away the most useful bench but it's not unique enough to be my favorite.
>>721270746I think the hint with Mount Fay is meant to be the outside areas of the slab, since you only really have one way to go to escape it forces you to discover the torches and thus the heat mechanic. Upon learning that, I figured that Mount Fay involves a leap of faith.I guess for people who didn't let themselves get caught, you never really get to see the Slab until way later.
>>721272332The last judge ruling further proves it
>>721272029Pilgrims carrying bells undergo a phase transition and decay into a dead pilgrim and bell.
>>721271008For me, it's:
>>721272415>let themselves get caughthaha yeah it was on purpose haha
>>721272437really nigger
>>721272437>Karmelita below Father of the Flame
>>721271623I feel you brotherI'm trying to do this gauntlent here but the run back can fuck off
But why
vote for the Pale King, he will make benches free
Is there anything in Bilewater in act 1? Or any reason to go in?
>>721272437why karmelita so low
>>721265349>Why don't you give up?>Because he never did
>>721272630What's his stance on raising the max limit for mobs to two damage?
>>721272682Only misery, come back later
>stuck at flea juggle, cycling between reaper and wanderer for range/speed>can't even break 15 after like 10+ tries>google it just to see how much people are having trouble with it>watch some esl guy get 71 with hunter, just up slash and dash, jump + up slash on the final juggle to finish the combo earlier>huh, I'll try that I guess>first try after I get 42
>>721269941Feels like she was meant to be the act 1 boss after you find the wall grip, but they figured the fight would be to hard to instantly go in to after getting it so they sectioned her off for later. Makes sense because the area is extremely short and they even threw in the cancer kid boss there.
>>721266601That was around the same time it got a switch release.Coincidence?
>>721272630I want to TP his head and watch him struggle to reach with his tiny arms.
>>721272335its 10/10 because sometimes in Act 2 you can find Ballow hanging out there enjoying the sauna as well
>>721272707>took an immediate dislike to this lil nigga's naivety in the marrow>started to warm up to his constant optimism after each new meeting>his faith challenged in whiteward, he still stays strong>his prayers for you in act 3He really won me over. I was expecting to find him annoying.
hwhat does the green mean?
My last battle with Lost Lace with scuffed as fuck but man, was it fun. Overall, I'd give Silksong a solid 9/10. I want art of Lace and Hornet scissoring with a big human cock inbetween them.
>>721272952that's the moss berry charm, when you get hit twice you get 1 silk, breddy ingredible
>>721272596The gauntlet only has 3 phases. I just spammed voltvessel.
>>721272804I feel like taking away the floor is something you're only allowed to do in the endgame. I've heard some people say she was designed for Shellwood originally but I guess even TC thought that was too cruel for that stage of the game.
>>721272530>>721272582Father of the Flame was fun because I love the diagonal pogo.The entire fight is designed for it.>>721272693>why karmelita so lowBecause she's a shit boss.>blocks most of your attacks just because>constantly moves into you>have to fight an entire fucking gauntlet before being allowed to learn her moveset>best strat against her is to spam poison cogflies
>>721272780>cycling between reaper and wanderer for range/speed>had to use google to realize you should just go for the in between
>>721272952it's from the charm you get for finding mossberries. can't remember the name
>>721272780Yeah hunter is the sweetspot between range and attack speed for jugglingReaper is fucked because it's slow and alternates between and up and downward slash, so the hitbox changes.Wanderer is ok but the smaller range simply makes it less generous.I've heard witch and shaman can be good for it but I imagine they have the same issue reaper does with speed.Beast probably ends up being the same as wanderer.Architect sounds completely wrong for the job but I guarantee someone did it with that crest and will swear it's secretly the best option for flea juggle.
>>721264694He's a stealthmaxxed assassin who drives that needle through skulls when nobody's looking.
Best charms for each slot?
We didn't have to kill him
>>721272952It's 1/2 a silk charge.Weirdly if you upgrade the charm by bringing her all 7 mossberries it produces two half charges instead of just one full one.
>>721266195Unironic trvke, cocksuckers only know how to say git gud and skill issue because they don't want to accept any meaningful criticism
>>721273147Yeah maybe he goes back to normal if you just ignore him and make GMS fuck off with the void shit
>>721272596Make sure to destroy the black fuck cancer below it, makes the gauntlet a bit easier.
>>721273142quick heal, dice, everything else is situational
>>721264972Pharloom has areas that I like more individually but Hallownest's all actually fit together. There's not really a comparison worth making beyond that.
>>721273142Yellow: DiceBlue: Pollip Pouch or the other one that's for spellsRed: Youdidntbeatthegameflies
>>721272596POISONCOGFLIESREPEAT AFTER MEPOISONCOGFLIES
Imagine NOT having your own spa let alone NOT even having a home in Bellhart. Are you just poor or retarded?
>>721273086>best strat against her is to spam poison cogfliesThat's the best strat against everything. Also the gauntlet is barely anything. It's 3 waves and most of it is enemies from act I meaning they die in 4 hits max. The last bit with the two Last Claws you can just spam curvesickle at 'em. You have infinite tools in the dream sections.
Reminder that Wanderer cheaters didn't beat the game
>just found First Sinner>she beat my ass 7 or 8 times>when I bested her, I didn't see the little icon that says she's in the hunter's journal >so I did the next platforming bit, the entire time thinking she was gonna jump out for a final form
>>721273293it'd be nice if you could get the spa a lot earlier than getting sylphsong
>>721273226Quick heal feels useless if you aren't using the extra heals per bind charm.Jumping up while the boss is attacking is a free healing opening in most fights.
>>721273293I really dislike Act 3 because it makes exploring miserable so I don't want to linger and just finish the game.
>>721273349quick heal is so fast compared to not, floating heal is pretty strong though
>>721273331Speaking of FS, did anyone else figure out that she doesn't strike a killing blow? You wake up outside her jail instead of on a bench because she doesn't actually want to kill you.
>>721271689I liked Second Sentinel at around B tier and wasn't impressed by Last Judge but overall that's a pretty solid arrangement.
>>721273313Bing mother fucker
Do I have to do anything special for the "REAL " ending
>>721273221What black fur cancer? There was just a signle spear bell head dude below it
>>721273439not really
>>721264509I thought he was a girl for an embarrassingly long time.
>>721273429>spoilerWell yeah, she's testing you to see if you're capable of wielding her power. Makes no sense she'd actively try to kill you when your goal is to also bring down GMS.
>>721266195Almost true. It's missing how Youtubers tried to one up each other with ever more difficult challenge mods for epic videos that get gorillions of views and the developers thought that the core community actually wanted that in the sequel.
>>721268884hunter's journal at whiteward and its relics tells a lot, Hornet just expose the conclusion.
>>721273497Probably because he's wearing a dress
>>721273497With Rule 63, anyone can be a sexy little girl.
>>721273591but he's wearing a cloak
>>721271689Wrong
>>721273429I interpreted it as a dream fight.
>>721273657>seth>S-tierlolno
>>721273470Just a bit right from there, in the corner, just off screen.
>die in dream>have to play the song again to enterWhy can't I just respawn in the dream?
>>721264972Hallownest feels more cohesive. I think Silksong's lore and story is a little messy and that it kinda puts the map into a detrimental place but I also think that's because Silksong's Godhome equivalent is absent and in the future is probably going to clear things up a bit. Assuming it gets that.Pharloom looks way better if we ignore the cohesive aspect.Pharloom also plays better to my liking outside of some of those extremely pesky areas that have like no indication of existence.Hallownest's best areas are better than Pharloom's, but overall Pharloom outmatches Hallownest.The Infection in Hallownest being built up over the game is better than Silk+Void combo dragging things down. I think SilkVoid is cooler in theory but in action it's not as cool as the infection because of how sudden it is.
>>721273710I thought the fight was really fun, but I actually use the Clawline properly.
>>721273657>All the peak fights and community favourites are against nimble and fast enemies that feel enjoyable even when you lose>Majority of bosses are fat fucks that contact damage you to deathWhat did Team Cherry mean by this?
What things count towards the 100%? I'm gonna use the speerun save to do the other
is the fire buff tool thing worth using? Is the damage increase to your needle worth giving up a red slot
>>721273859I imagine it’s just easier to make a fat fuck boss.
>>721273335It was nice when pre-clearing couriers because it meant you could heal and top off on silk without activating a bench
>>721273932It's a 50% increase for a bit.
>>721273938It definetly is but these niggers had 7 years and unlimited resources for a game like this.
>>721273657It took me a few minutes to remember what boss this wasI still don't get why he was where he was
>>721273710Seth is a great fightYou can just say you got filteredNow Tormented Trobbio? That's a D tier fight
>>721274107Too obvious/10
>>721273932It stacks with poison, so especially on wanderer you can absolutely vomit out damage. You definitely sacrifice range and versatility but by endgame I was using it all the time.
>>721274107Tormented trobbio is fun. All of his attacks are telegraphed so you just have to not be trash.
Where do i find the horse-looking bug running on a steer? I looked everywhere in Underworks and couldn't find it
>>721273657I feel Tormented Trobio was a bit annoying with filling the screen non stop with explosions. Not worth an S. First Trobio was great and that was the S.
>>721273737No idea what you talking about mateThere's nothing here just rock
>>721274147>>721274191Spamming a bunch of screenwide aoe particle nonsense does not make a fight goodone on one nail fight against an honourable opponent? cinema
>>721274234It’s in a bullshit hidden room. I can’t remember where.
>>721265732I don't think the Citadel, the original "simple stone" one, is older than Silk, but it could be
>>721274289Just don’t get hit by them. You get plenty of time to dodge
Its time, all the hopes and dreams of the pilgrimages ride on my shoulders, its time to save pharloom, its time to beat lost lace, gomen flick... but i have to go all out... just this once...
>>721267001Lore tablet in Fungal Wastes"This border bounds the twisting, scratching things. Their dead sire, once of honoured caste. Their sealed mother, but the common beast."
>>721272682Without double jump you can't go far in it, so no.
My only issue with this game is that bilewater is hidden behind two secret doors. The enterance in the citadel should’ve been more obvious.
>>721274503>The enterance in the citadel should’ve been more obvious.The entrance to the citadel is obviously the Sands of Karak.
Where is the Weaver weapon you need to make a trap? I thought you need to go to far fields nest secret area but there is nothing new.
>>721272952Druid's Eye tool. If you bring all the mossberries in the game back to the Moss Druid the tool will be upgraded to the Druid's Eyes (plural), doubling the effect.
>>721274554That’s not what I’m saying. I’m saying that the tradition between the citadel and bilewater should’ve been an obvious door and not a hidden tunnel.
>>721274587Weavenest Alta
>he paid for silkshitkek, couldn't be me
>>721269609I think the run-off from Sinner's Road and Bilewater killed the soil and thus the farmsNothing in the game says so, but it feels reasonable
>>721274619Transition
>>721274464Devs should have been based and made an achievement for breaking it
>>721273657>Worst three bosses are two flies and one mosquito>Hornet advocates for fly and mosquito genocide in Hunter's Journalwhat did Team Cherry mean by this? Maybe they intentionally made these fights ass so you could understand Hornet's point of view?
>>721274619It's a secret way to enter the CitadelObviously it is hidden
>>721271428>half the enemies in the game force you into using the default weaponWhat were they thinking?
>lost lase phase 3what the fuck nigga
>>721274760jump, retard
>>721274713Nine Sols was cruel for that. I'm never breaking the pot.
>>721274385I don't mean older than Silk itself, but older than the whole Silk-related ordeal in Pharloom from GMS/Weavers/current citadel
>>721274689It was up on csrin before the steam servers even started working, I had to pirate it just so I could play and still paid for it afterwards anyway
>>721274725Through the exhaust organ, sure, but you don’t actually find out the exhaust organ is part of bilewater unless you find the other bilewater entrances, both of which are hidden.
>>721274760Have you tried not standing in the massive plumes of void?Also you can walljump over the katamari ball, that might help you
>>721274689PirateGOD, I kneel...
>>721268430If you're not burned out on metroidvanias yet, Worldless is short and sweet (also no grinding)
LAST ONE TO GOAAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>721264972I preferred Hallownest until Bilewater. Then I realized that the Citadel and it's areas aren't meant to be natural. Once I took that into consideration, things started making sense, with the one exception that Mt Fay really should have been to the east. Personally I'd have let this game simmer for another year if it meant the could turn the Coral Tower into it's own area above Sands of Karak, and move Mt Fay to the east above Putrefied Ducks. If they did that, Pharloom would be S tier design.East Mt Fay with ice caps and clear water sources that provides natural flowing water that runs down into the Lake in the Ducts, Bilewater, Greymor (which is very rainy) and Lost Verdania and Far Fields. It naturally runs westward and creates the sea like Coral Tower and the lush areas of the Moss Grotto beneath.Then the Citadel gets built midway this natural flow. Starts harnessing the water through the building of the Ducts which in turn dries out everything west. This creates the Sands of Karak and the Blasted Steps. Only reason Mosshome gets sparred is that it's further down enough to get other water sources.Meanwhile they pollute Bilewater with the wastes from the Underworks which in turn pollutes the Ducts and even creates the dreary atmosphere of Greymor which isn't quite polluted, but doesn't look right. It might even explain why Verdania become desolated. Far Fields again only escapes because it's further down enough and perhaps the volcanic activity affords it some natural fertility to the soil.The point is everything about the Citadel is unnatural and it utterly fucked everything in the area, disrupting a natural environment.
>>721274234It's above the massive saw-edged square that moves in an L shape.
>>721274949>got my oil before even finding sethheh, sucks to be you
>>721274029Citadel robot dumped in Far Fields. The Pintress says the Citadel hunted her order, so i think he was sent there to kill the Seamstress, or whatever her name is.
>>721274949The bounce is really the easiest out of them. You got this.
>>721264972gameplay: silksonglore/coherency/atmosphere: hollow knight
>>721264972Hollownest and it's not even close. It's like going from DS1 to DS2.
>>721274689it's literally on gog so you can get it drm free from a torrent you fucking retarded faggot
>>721274689
>>721275014Already had the oil, I'm doing this for the memento>>721275042Thxx
>>721275067DS2 is better than DS1
100% in under 30 hours was surprisingly easy, even had enough time to spend multiple hours clearing out things that didn't count for 100% like the hunter's journal, all of the mementos, everything for the house, as well as a handful of other achievements on the way. Was my second playthrough, but I enjoyed it so much more this time around that I think I can definitely say I like Silksong more than Hollow Knight now.
>>721272780I struggle with the special fleas that fall fast so I prefer shaman
>>721275185In your wet dreams, contrarian
>>721274267Then you already destroyed it or every copy of the game is personalized
metroidvanias shouldn't have sidequests
>>721269073unequip the magma bell, pussy
>>721275245I played for a few minutes on gamepass after beating the game on steam to get team cherry the microsoft kickback, and the earlygame is so incredibly smooth once you know what the fuck you're doing and aren't constantly paranoid of getting murdered. It's truly a game meant to be replayed and mastered, which is a bit daunting given its scale but goddamn. What a game.
>stuck in mosshome>stuck in docksI'm not cut out for this game
>>721273497where is it even stated that he's male
>>721267342>Bilewater got polluted by the Putrified ducts, they don't actually connect to anything, the industrial area of the Citadel is barely connected to Bilewater(and even then at worst it just produces smoke and scrap metal)Bilewater didn't get polluted by the Ducts. The pollution came from the Exhaust Organ and then seeped up into the Ducts.
>>721264509He badly needs to be tickle tortured by Hornet. Look at that round little tummy, he's seriously asking for it.
>>721275245>doing a second playthrough of a game full of THAT PART, and right away at thatI'd rather play La Mulana once more
>>721275450Go away
How the fuck do I get to the Ant Queen's area? Doing the dream song at the statue does nothing and I can't find any path towards her marker
>>721274760concentrate on the whites of her eyes, it's easy to lose track of her if you don't
>>721275368The quest says "he" or "him" I think, probably in other dialogue too because I knew it before I got there although maybe someone had said it here first
>>721267342>>super cold snowy area right on top of a dried out desertanon have you heard of mountains? do you know how elevation works?
>>721264972>Mount Fay should have been above putrified ducts - draining melt water to feed the citadel, then pumping waste into bilewater>Sands of Karak should should have a larger area above it that connected to the slab. It's a dried up coastline, after all, and should be at the surface.>Wisp Thicket should have been between Shelwood and Grand Gate>Cogwork Core should extend downwards to connect with Underworks>Whiteward should be shifted eastward under Whispering Vaults. Greymoor should have been directly beneath Whiteward, collecting silk dregs from corpses that filtered downward.>The Marrow and Farfields should be swappedThis would have fixed the biome incoherency issues of the game for the most part, I think.
>>721274982>it's intentionally bad
I FOUND THE 16TH MASK SHARD. IT WAS THE BLASTED STEP ONE IN THE ENTRANCE TO PHARLOOM YOU NEED CLAWLINE FOR. FINALLY GOT 9 MASKS
I have no idea how can anyone find all mossberries blind. Or are there act 3 excusive ones?
>>721274982>East Mt Fay with ice caps and clear water sources that provides natural flowing water that runs down into the Lake in the Ducts, Bilewater, Greymor (which is very rainy) and Lost Verdania and Far Fields. It naturally runs westward and creates the sea like Coral Tower and the lush areas of the Moss Grotto beneath.Would have made more sense
>>721275547Do you have Silk Soar?
>>721275547Look to the heavens.
>>721275695Obviously
>>721275547
>>721275605>Mount Fay should have been above putrified ducts - draining melt water to feed the citadel, then pumping waste into bilewaterYour pale lake (ocean)?
>>721275667There's one that's a little tricky to find, but doable in Act 2
>>721264509>get old lady flea>see fleas on map>only need two more>theyre in fay mountain and bilewater
>>721265349I think he is meant to represent the opposite. Yes pharloom exploits its bugs and treats them horribly with the excuse of faith, but he is proof that there is something worth preserving here. Also he grows after a point by challenging his faith in whiteward
>>721275667There's 7 right? I found 6 on my own, don't care enough to look up where the one I missed is cause the charm isn't any good, I imagine they're all in leafy areas so there's only so many places
>>721264972I much prefer Pharloom. Seems to be the unpopular opinion around these parts. But I find it really beautiful how act 1 is relatively linear (while still having optional areas to explore), only for act 2 to open up significantly, with the Citadel as a branching out point. As you explore in a much more open ended manner, from Citadel's Songclave or the outside's Bellhart. And I really like the three strongholds of Bonebottom, Bellhart, and Songclave too. And the other various little camps. And I like how the various regions work together as well, like how you've got the factory portion of the citadel, to support the mechanical constructs of the greater citadel. How the Ducts and Bilewater are contaminated by the Citadel's refuse. And it's also kind of impactful to climb up towards the Citadel, when the most civilized piece of architecture you've had at that point is probably Halfway Home at Greymoor (I love Bellhart but it's kind of a shithole held together by strings). It serves as quite the contrast that worked on me versus the harsh lands I had to traverse to get there. And of course, I super love how much movement and platforming Pharloom's level design involves. But I'm guessing that element was a bit outside the scope of the question so let's just disregard it. Though addendum. I still think Hallownest is awesome. I just find Pharloom cooler.
>>721274812I wonder if The Slab was the original temple
So uhhhhWhat exactly is plasmium? Is it another evil godly thing like the infection and the haunting that should not be messed with?Its kind of really weird how Wormways was pretty much completely unaffected by the void but instead taken over by the plasmium plants that were already there prior. Not to mention how we can see with plasmified zango that it can just straight up turn you into a zombie
>>721264972Pharloom is better imo, but hallownest feels more interconnected
>>721275738Then have you tried... using it?
>>721275949have you tried sucking my silk
Fire sword thing is kinda ass?It lasts for like 3 seconds.
Anyone else dissapointed you don't fight john hollowknight? even as a secret dream boss or something??
>>721268359This is hinting that Sherma is a pale being. Note the change in his color. Do not trust it.
>>721275664fyi 17-20 are all act 3 exclusive so if you cant find them thats why
>>721275918Keep playing
>>721275756Melt water pooling under the mountain before percolating down. There is a roof to that lake, clearly.
I fucking lost it when the fat fuck groal started spitting out soul
>>721274760lost lace is garbage, only soulsniggers like it
>>721275996it synergizes with poison so if you have both you do 50% more damage and poison
>>721275605>The Marrow and Farfields should be swappedI don't agreeThe Marrow is dry because it's precisely between. Far Fields has greenery because it's getting water from above (or did once upon a time), and likewise Mosshome is green because it caught the run off from what used to be the Coral Tower area.Marrow meanwhile would have been between the two, and Greymor doesn't seem to allow for any run off bellow (and it's further east anyways)
>>721275918it's literally just lifeblood from the previous game, the guy is just calling it something else
>>721275245Wait you don't have to get the house stuff and the mementos for 100%?
>>721275772The Mount Fay one is really easy.
>>721276197only quest completion and tools matter
>defeat the final boss>say "that's it?"anyone else know this feel?
Is it just me or is Bilewater like the true central point of the game considering how many fucking times you have to go through it just to collect a ton of bullshit
>>721275918It's Lifeblood, but yes. A highly regenerative, mutagenic substance that spreads like an infection. The Knight can't overdose on it because he's half pale being (who can resist its mutagenic properties) and half void entity, while Hornet can only resist its effects to a certain extent.For mortal bugs it will horribly disfigure and mutate you into some horrific abomination, and even the Void stays well away from this shit, plasmified enemies won't turn abyssal. Zylotol and Zango are idiots playing with forces far beyond their comprehension that wound up consuming them in the end.
>>721275605I feel like mount fay is nice beside the slab, it makes the prison seem even more isolated and horrible to be in
I am missing 2 mask shards and 1 silk spool and I refuse to use google
>>721275547jump at the statue my dude
>>721272693Made for proneboneing
>>721276326no i said "finally, fucking trash boss, this shit just ruined the finale"
Groal sums up everything that's wrong with this game-long runback platforming to a boss with summons.
>>721276015Silksong likely follows the Dream No More ending, so both the Knight and the Hollow Knight are 'dead', having dragged the Radiance down into the Abyss as Shades.
>>721264972mid development SS and it's not even close
>>721275996I also dislike how short the buffs are but it's good
>>721276331>1 time for groal/the act 3 soul>1 time for Shakra's quest>1 time for the baby, but it dumps you pretty close to the fast travel spotI spent way more time in the Citadel
>>721276394It was one spool, one tool, and one charm for me. Decided to leave meat on the bone for the DLC replay. Also the silk spool is probably in mosshome because that's the one everyone misses
>stumble onto Green Prince/Verdania completely by accident after fucking around in Craw Lake after beating Crawfather.>"Oh cool, extra area that I can open up with the shaman's song. I wonder what I get from doing this">It's another heart>because I already had both Khan and Karmelita's the quest was considered completed and the third marker disappeared from my mapfuck offfffff I don't remember where it was and I don't want to look it up
POSHANKA reply if you like Shakra
Man, I can't fast travel from the final level after killing the final boss? this place is a chore
>>721276224
>>721276326I said this when I realized the final boss was a rehash of a fight that was already rehashed.
>>721276569POSHANKA
>>721276456The boss doesn't actually have summons. There's a gauntlet before you fight him, and occasionally he'll stay underwater while two Stilkin pop up to attack you, but you never fight Groal and other enemies at the same time.
>>721276538You can still do the third marker and get that heart
>>721275918>find xylophone after he's knocked back too much blue drank>play the needolin>zero internal monologueI laughed
>>721276503So basically the same but with Verdania and Coral Gorge instead of Wormways and Blasted Steps/Sands of Karak.
>>721276538Go to the Grand Gate, specifically the giant elevator shaft.
>>721275996Yeah the juice and this both needed less charges but longer duration. Maybe a longer apply animation if they really extended the duration. They’re just tedious to use as is.
If you didn't get the purple quill, you haven't finished the game
>>721276326I liked it, I don't get why you guys are so upset about the final boss being a final duel with Lace. Then again, I only played HK for about an hour.
>>721276659>>zero internal monologueThat's because all the silk within him was purged by the Lifeblood.Whenever you needolin bugs, you're reading the silk inside them.
Damn son Architect moveset is strong. The charge attack especially. Shame it's a tooltrash. Maybe in DLC if they remove shards it will be playable.
>>721276785It’s just lace for the third time but this time with screen shake and terrain hazards. That’s a bad final boss. Fine as a penultimate one.
>>721276326I feel like Silksong ends at the 80 percent point because it brings up tons of story beats from HK's Godhome without having the finality of it, and that finality is "I broke a light bulb in Heaven and now I'm manifesting Hell into my being". Hornet even talks about it a bit with the snail shaman and the heart hunt is reminiscent of this too.I don't think Team Cherry wants the DLC for SS to be an alternative ending, I think they want it to be the definitive ending and are just pulling back right now.
>>721276394I wish the game had more diegetic ways to guide you towards what you missed. Like>Use Needlolin + ->and a silk thread show you the direction of the closest mask shard/spool fragment you missed>Pay exhorbitant amount of rosaries to Grindle so he forages missed memories lockets for you>Magnet compass yellow tool that beeps when you activate it close to a Craftmetal
>>721276785can someone explain me the ending?
Is it me or are flees super cute?
>>721273657People rate the skull crawlers too low. This is better. They’re just easy.
>>721276786Isn't that good?
>>721276785It should have been a sex duel
>>721276864You liberate Lace and GSM accepts death.
>>721276361>>721276183Ah right. I had forgotten it was called something else originallyI'm mostly wondering what its origins because its really weird how this is the second time we see it being untouched by the void. Back in HK the life blood room was just straight up inside the abyss and even then it was simply untouched as well
I think it was the right call to remove the coral area. It makes no sense with the lore for there to be a perfect serene area left. The ducts have the hidden away pure water area still undisturbed was supposed to be a rarity
>>721276817>Shame it's a tooltrashROSARY CANNONSILKSHOT
>>721276892I like them. In my autism I would raise Hornet's head up as they awoo'd themselves back to the caravan.
>>721276926Well, yes and no.Yes, because now they can no longer be controlled by GMS.No, because now they're being controlled by the Higher Being behind Lifeblood instead.
>>721276926its like curing cancer by injecting yourself with turbo aids
>>721276785Your interactions with her are just lame, she really doesn't feel like a fully-fledged character.
>>721276503This is baseless conjecture. But I'm thinking they might have traded the Coral region for the Blasted Steps / Sands of Karak because it might have looked more beautiful and grand than the Citadel itself. Which might have made it an extremely cool and impressive set piece to play through, but it might have also felt really unimpressive if the mighty Citadel, that's supposed to look pristine and almost perfect (on the surface at least), would look inferior. But having the Coral place connected to Bonebottom, might have also made players feeling too inclined to stick to the west side of the world map as much as possible. I don't know. A part of me really wish to play this version of Silksong. But I also feel like it's probably presumptuous of me to assume it would have been better just because it looks beautiful. In the end I am lacking crucial knowledge.
>>721276969>MUH LORE!!!!Don't fucking care, the area looked cool so I want to explore it
I love this makes twitter mad
>>721276969It’s DLC bait.
Is this accurate?
>>721276848And Lace was fun to fight, I don't see th eissue.>>721276864You save Pharloom by saving Lace and GSM finally lets go of her strings and embraces the Void. Lace finally achieves freedom for the first time in her life and presumably, Hornet basically adopts Lace because she needs silk to live and it's better she get silk from her rather than vampirizing it off people living in Pharloom.
>>721276864You save Lace and Pharloom, Ghost saves you both from the abyss.that's it. There's no hidden obscure esoteric lore interpretation. Those might come with the DLC.
>>721276892They are, I like the big flea the most, weirdly reminds me of a dog I used to have.
>>721276969It was the right call, but I hope they find a way to bring it back with dlc. The tral looked beautiful and I want more
>>721276864 Lace is voided. Silk wants to protect lace so she made a cocoon of silk in the void as a sort of barrier. She then used her silk to try and destroy Pharloom. Hornet with the everblooming manages to purge the void from lace. Hornet then tells Silk that she’s going to save lace, silk gives Hornet all her silk. They go up, the flower disintegrates, but little bro is there to save Hornet. They get saved. Lace cries because her mom actually cared for her and now she’s dead.
>>721276982I don't want to farm rosaries (shards) just to have 30 seconds of fun.
>>721277128Yes, that's because the "fleas" are literally puppies bro. Half the game is cute-bait.
>>721277096Wait, aren’t they related? Is that why Twitter is mad?
>>721277118>There's no hidden obscure esoteric lore interpretationDon't understimate youtubers trying to make some buck
>>721277096I thought twitter likes this shit?
>>721276224Source ?
>>721277204By the end of the game when you have no further use for rosaries and have thousands of them that's what you use them for. You just gun shit down.
>>721277196>She then used her silk to try and destroy PharloomI thought she was just trying to protect her self, and the void was simply crawling up the silk threads into pharloom. She wasn't actively trying to destroy it.
>>721277263Youtubers are renting free in my head.
>>721277196why is little bro a ghost? I completely forgot about HK... 2bh
Is the rosary cannon useful at all. It seems like trash.
>>721277096Twitter likes troon ships though.
I just got the sinner's road simple key. Should I do wormways or green prince?
>finally get the flea mapper gal>i was only missing 3 fleasdamn i'm good
>>721277290>Implying I have rosaries in the endgame
>>721277353Its a minigun :D
>>721277365Wormways so you can get the wanderer crest.
>>721277346He isn't actually a ghost. That's just "his name". He did become the void lord and rape the moth god in the boss rush ending.
>>721277263Them loretuders are gon' completely starve to death my nigga fr
>>721277068That's because a vast amount of her circumstances are reminiscent or similar to Hornet's, so she's very much a younger reflection to Hornet's character. Take what happened to Hornet and the opposite likely occurred with Lace. We know Lace took up the role of 'protector' of Pharloom, but she was more like a rabid dog attacking everyone she met more than an actual guardian. She's very pitiful because she misunderstands the point of her creation and lashes out because of it. Basically, she's a younger Hornet who never had real parents or mentors to raise her.
FLEA BOUNCE!!!!!!+!!!!!!!+&+(7+7
>>721277096>I love this makes twitter mad
>>721277346three of the five ending s in the base game of hollow knight including the two dlc endings have the main character lose his shell and channel the void/merge with the void. That’s just where he is after the ending. Same with all the other billion siblings chucked into the void that we see behind him for a split second.
>>721277246>>721277264nope. it's "problematic"
>>721277096Makes everyone mad by my experience, that's what makes it based.
>>721277457isn't wanderer crest behind the chapel? I got there by falling from above after getting float.
>>721277379For me it was 4
>>721277346He's a void entity wearing the shell of a bug. In the Dream No More ending both he and the Hollow Knight shed their shells to drag the Radiance down into the abyssal sea. That's where he's been ever since.
>>721277468What the fuck is the Void/Shade Lord anywayAt first I thought it was the manifestation of the void in its entirety but the Knight seems like it is poking around with its own mind despite that.
>tranny spams the same set of images again
the fact that team Cherry remembered to put in all of Ghost’s siblings into the ending except for the hollow knight makes me believe they have plans for him in the future.
>>721277527niggas are gleefully playing with their ladybug dolls because it makes people they don't know nor who know them mad
>>721277501you made that up it's safe horny
>>721277567>At first I thought it was the manifestation of the voidI think it is, the Knight just becomes that
>>721277501It's for trannies and redditors.
Question about the lore I don't get:>who created the citadel? Was it the weavers, GMS, or was it just normal bugs after discovering GMS? >what eas the role of the weavers of pharloom? I know>Why are there no weavers left in the game? Did they left or did they just all die out?>Why did GMS want to capture you?
Bros, what the FUCK is plasmium anyway? I thought it was some magic bug bitch's blood who was so pure/magical it created these flowers that gave you extra life. In SK it's some kind of malicious zombie virus like the Radiance Infection.
HORNET!! GET PREGNANT!! GET PREGNANT!!
>>721277745>2 months ago
>>721277862It’s the juice that helps you but if you use too much it becomes bad.
>>721277710So why is it actively hostile to Hornet until it isn't?
defend input readingprotip: you can't
what is the reward for collecting every single flea? how can i check the number i found
Bros, Nuu is actually kinda cute?
>>721277893>trannies were headcanoning their gayshit even before the game was released
>>721264509Is there a tldr on act 3. I got one of 3 hearts but is it worth exploring everything to see what changed Also I don't wanna be spoiled but besides the desert where tf are the other 2. There's no way I missed any hidden zones and idk how tf I can possibly reach them.
>>721277353It's 80 ammos max with 3 damages per shot. 240 damages total. Your basic nail attack when fully upgraded does 21 damage. For comparison the Silkshot you get with the Forge Daughter is 510 damages total, although that one use silk and requires resources to craft.So, the cannon is trash, but it's fun enough to go BRRRR when you can afford it
>>721277862Lifeblood was banned in the original hollow knight world. Guess why. Also remember the bugs that obviously interacted with lifeblood and their state
What’s the plasmodium doctor meant to be unconscious on the floor and also in the hidden boss area at the same time or did my game just bug out?
>>721277762I'm still unsure about the "pale being bring sentience/sapience to bugs" thing.They seemingly only uplift shit like beetles and spiders and flies, whereas races like Mantises, Wasps, Fleas(?), Ants, Slugs, Snails, etc seem to have had culture and society before the Pale Beings showed up
>>721277954The implication of SS's true ending is that the Void isn't uniform and Knight is basically just one entity amidst it.
I have just unlocked this door.
>>721277762GMS created the citadel with her weaver army by conquering and destroying the surrounding lands. The weavers lived there for a time as the demigod ruling class with the local bug population as their slaves, until they learned they were "just" ascended normalfags instead of "true" divinity. They converted the citadel into a giant industrialized musical instrument and made the religion into being about singing forever to keep GMS asleep forever through the power of industrialized song. Then, they bounced.The Pharloom weavers were a skeleton crew left behind to ensure the machinery was working properly and that granny was indeed still asleep. There also seem to be dissidents who remained loyal to her, like Widow, that were enslaved by the majority weavers.There aren't any weavers left in the game because they're borderline infertile and having kids is very hard for them, so their losses due to time can't be easily replaced.It's not clear why the Citadel wants to capture you. They're somehow enslaving captured weavers for their silk but why specifically is never mentioned. Lace frees you at the start of the game because she's worried GMS would want to replace her with you, and then tries to kill you when you stick around instead of running away.
>>721274689I'll fucking buy it again when the CE comes out. And all the new merch they eventually come out with cause I'm a consumerist whore.
>>721277968A nail upgrade. There's a big flea that'll give you a map of all the remaining flea locations, but you do have to find her first.
>>721277993THIS is what Nuu looks like IRL.
>>721278001Did you forget you can jump really high now?
>>721277862Lifeblood was beautiful and serene in HK but it still fits as a weird parasite
>>721278019Yeah, there's naturally occurring bug races that are sapient but there's also bug races "uplifted" by higher beings. This was a point of contention in the original HK because the Pale King showed up with his uplifted bugs and started taking over everything.
>>721278078Enjoy the rape from BBC (big brass cock)
>>721277963The "input reading" in this case, is just enemies attempting an escape as you approach. I almost don't even know why people even call it input reading. Even if technically accurate, it kind of implies there is something more to it by calling it that. In practise the end results are very mundane. You approach, they attempt to back off. But you're fast and you'll hit them anyway.
>Swift races>"oops you made 1 tiny mis-input or missed the tiny hitbox on harpooning the pogo spots, gg start the entire race from the beginning"FUCKING FUCK WHOEVER DESIGNED THIS SHIT
It's over. Im never getting that pale oil.
>>721278131
>>721277862It was always malicious.Back in HK's lore, it was explicity told to you that it was taboo to use lifeblood, and tbose who usee it were criminals like joni.Now in silksong we realise why, because while it has benefitial properties, these most likely are a lure, a trap, to get people hooked up. To normal bugs, once they start abusing the substance, they become mindless husks whose only purpose is to become seeds of lifeblood to propagate it, like an infection.Also, back in HK there was a hidden higher beibg related to void and lifeblood, he even appears in godhome too. So yeah, lifeblood is just a higher being like the radiance, and as all higher being, they only care about controlling bugs.
>>721278181Skill issues
>>721277954My guess is he didn't notice her until she took a big dip in it
>>721278081>It's not clear why the Citadel wants to capture you.The cages mentioned partial-Weavers being sent to specific areas, likely to keep them powered with their silk. Most likely the Citadel wanted to use Hornet as a power source and farm silk from her until she died. Since she could generate it naturally, she'd be a huge asset to the Citadel.
>>721278190>Help the fleas for the entire game>Now, the fate of the entire world is at risk>They have something that can massively help you>They won't just give it to you as thanks you have to jump through hoops for itWhy are they like this?
>>721277356This.
>>721278190Nigga you can do better than 10 if you reached this point
>>721278190just get in the rhythm bro
>>721278019I’m pretty sure that’s still accurate. There’s a reason the clockwork core, the most technologically advanced area in the game, is next to where GMS is. There being sentient cultures before GMS just means there could have been a pale being around before her. Maybe it’s the fluffy guy on the mountain. In hollow knight if I remember correctly, the white lady is a native to the nest, so sapience doesn’t need to be retroactively justified.
>>721277954The flower's protection meant ghost didn't recognize her, so it was just formless void attacking.
>>721278258Yes but why do that when GMS is literally right there acting like an infinite silk battery, unless they're worried that using GMS's silk would wake her up or something. Never clarified.
>>721278164What the fuck, that fat retard is chasing me through the entire area?He's even climbing after me.
>>721278226tedious time-wasting design issue
>>721278317>>721278190oh also sometimes RNG fucks you so just suck it up>>721278324the clockwork area was one of the many experiments to keep things running forever while things were failing
>>721278190Just use the third act crest bro.
>>721278353a lot of the game is just tedious bullshit
>>721278258What the cages in the Cradle? I thought they said that's where they FOUND the Weavers, they're obviously looking all over the world if they found Hornet, maybe I misread
>>721278181>lose at a race>has to do it from the beginning>gasp100% genuinely asking, what do you even propose they should do?
>>721278353it's super easy and then you make one input error and fall down and you have to restart
>>721278019I don't think it's that he brought sapience but rather that he brought individuality.
>>721278353My only issue with this is that the area is only accessible in act 3. Should’ve just been in the normal part of far fields.
>>721278289Gypsies
>>721278258>>721278331Wait I thought it was GMS herself sendsing out those edicts because she wanted her daughters back? Lace and Phantom were made out of desperation for that urge.
So whats the most honest crest?We all know Wanderers are all tryhards and Architect is just completely busted.I vote for Shaman since they literally get nothing except a bit of range
>>721278464the problem is that ANY mistake is an instant "lose the race"that's what I'm bitching about
>>721278521it also increases silk skill damage, but also the game is over when you get shaman
>>721278353Just hit him to slow him down
>>721278521>40 hours in>98% of my time was spent with hunterI regret nothing
>>721278521Reaper because it’s the worst one.
>>721266740>Otherwise yeah the brief wild west period where nobody knows anything yet has passedNo? I've been trying to make pilby survive the whole game (he disappeared for me mid act 2) and nobody has an answer for that yet
>>721278517GMS has written the weavers off as a lost cause as per the Lace cutscene, we don't know if it was GMS ordering weaver kidnappings or the conductors
>>721278607Nah, reaper lets you stay airborne almost indefinitely because of the wide pogo
>>721278521I've been using Reaper since I got it but I watched the 1 hour speedrun last night and Hunter is definitely the most soulful
>>721277762>who created the citadel?Grand Mother Silk. She established her kingdom there and conquered the surrounding smaller kingdoms to cement her empire. That's why the Coral Gorge dried up into the Sands of Karak and Verdania is long collapsed.>what eas the role of the weavers of pharloom?They were originally the nobility of the kingdom. GMS raised small nonsapient arachnid beast bugs up to bipedal sapience and treated them as her own children. She tried to suppress the truth that they weren't actually descended from her, but they found out anyway.>Why are there no weavers left in the game? Did they left or did they just all die out?When the Weavers uncovered the truth they turned on GMS. Some of them fled, leaving Pharloom to migrate to Hallownest. Others were captured and killed. The Citadel's bugs, in their religious fervor, also cannibalized the Weavers for their silk generation. They even tracked remote Weavers and Weaverspawn from other lands to bring them back to Pharloom in service. Widow is implied to be a quarter Weaver spawn, brought back to Pharloom and enslaved to service.>Why did GMS want to capture you?The Citadel wanted to capture Hornet because she's a living source of silk, but the Citadel was manipulated by GMS to bring her there because GMS wanted Hornet as a surrogate daughter, closer to the Weavers of old and purer in nature than the rebellious punk that is Lace.>"Full Chamber to the kingdom of the White Wyrm. Claim the Weaver, in half part. Last of their line. Sensed strong with Silk.>Resistance anticipated. Quell with rune cage."
>>721278521Shaman makes spells hit like a truck, and can just cast them without even hitting the boss just by equipping Weavelight, you can straight up just evade the boss/cling to walls and spam pale nail until you win
>>721278521Hunter is canon obviously
Ill give it 1 hour and if i dont beat it im gonna cheat
Flea bounce I can't go above 52. I need help....
>>721278019Regarding that I have two mutually exclusive theories:First, that the idea that sentience was given by the pale king is pure bullshit that he used and spread as propaganda to avoid people from gettibg put of Hallownest in mass.My second theory is that this is a characteristic unique to pale beings, but the pale kibg is not the only pale being, the white lady also is, which could explain why there were sentient bugs before the pale king and after his death(?), but still you don't find intelligent life outside any kingdom.
>>721278331GMS is sealed away, so they couldn't get more silk from her, I thought. All the silk around the citadel is old as shit and/or from the weavers that were once around. The Citadel at that point is running on fumes, and since they can't find good replacements, all the shit requiring silk to run is going to stop working soon, which means GMS would become fully awake and break out. She was already manipulating the Citadel by controlling the silk left around through the barrier, but most she could do was cause people to go apeshit, I think. Lace and Phantom were born from her need to breed, but she was already satisfied having Lace for a daughter than none at all.
Are there two hunter crest upgrades? I definitely got one as soon as I got the harp. Now I drop in again after finally getting the witch crest, and I get another hunter evolving dialog, unequipping all my trinkets and all. I already got 2 universal slots before.
>this whole time I thought weavelight just sped up the silk regen given by silk hearts>turns out it also lets you regen an extra silk bar as well, meaning you always have enough for a skillanything else I should know about tools that isnt outright stated in item descriptions?
This thing is hot shit, you should to be able to aim with it beyond swapping directions and hoping for the best and at least be able to jump with it
>>721266740This is my main issue with popular games these days. I like to both discuss games and take my time with them. But by the time I'm done, everything and the dev's mother has been datamined, rushed, and discussed by end of day 3.
>>721278736This, it's how I beat Karmelita. Also worked great for Nyleth too. Against Lost Lace I used more spells than just Pale Nails.
>>721278860this is video games now unfortunately, people digest everything super fast
>>721278886what is that spell? It's the only one I don't have
>>721278695And who put GMS to sleep then?In her hunter's journal description it says that she wants to wake up but can't.
>>721278860Maybe finish them faster instead of sucking dick?
>>721278995Go back to where you fought Grandmother Silk.
>>721278860I get it. I took a week off and put in 70 hours in the first 10 days, but obviously not everyone can do that.
>>721279045thanks
>>721278995Pale Nails. Head back up to the Cradle and you can bind Grand Mother Silk's severed arm to get it. There's a spot in the long hallway with the Grand Reeds that you can use Silk Soar on to get back up there.
>>721279006The Weavers betrayed Grandmother Silk and sealed her away in a cocoon.
>>721279008No, i prefer to enjoy things. The whole, consume as fast as possible and get excited for the next slop shit has to end.
>>721279006The weavers did
damn courier's rash is pretty tight huh?
>>721278857yeah it's clearly just a joke item but it's not even funny by virtue of doing shit damage. i tried it against the big guys with violin bows and it took almost my entire magazine to kill one.
>>721279006>And who put GMS to sleep thenWeavers, as a fuck you and to become the rulers. Too bad GMS could control the bugs because they were infused with silk
>>721279140But she also has the power to create a cocoon considering the end fight takes place in a cocoon.
>>721279187You got your speed boots?
>>721278785Lost at 62 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>721279187Not really, but bumping into walls does decrease your timer lol
>>721279187Just clear the enemies between you and the goal and you should have no problem. I took 3 damage on my first run and still made it.
>>721279187do you have double jump?
>>721279243Cocoons can either keep others out or keep them in, I guess. Hornet wraps her own dead body in cocoons before popping them open like pinatas.
>>721265648You have a quest marker on your map
>>721279289If i lose again in the 50s, I'm using cheat engine
>>721278353Is that the dashmaster?
>>721278353>>721279423He looks a lot less like sans undertale than Hollow Knight led me to believe
>>721279239And what is the haunting and why did it begin?
>>721279578Yeah. He's in Act 3.
I actually took the effort to destroy every single void mass on the map and nothing fucking happens
>>721279661The bugs injected themselves with silk to make them immortal, but since all that silk came from GMS she's able to puppet them in her sleep, which is the Haunting.
>>721279472I'm slowly making my way over there okaysome fucker locked me up in jail recently it's not my faultnow I'm on some sinner's path or whatever the fuck, don't like it, simple as
>>721279661That's GMS controlling the bugs in her sleep
>>721279762That's not true. Pilgrims from everywhere are controlled by the haunting. Even wild animals are controlled by strings to attack you.
>>721279743Seems like removing them makes void infested enemies spawn less often.
>>721279776>some fucker locked me up in jail recently it's not my faultDoesn't this only happen in act 2?
>had to saveacum for shell fragments against the docks biss bitchThis game fucking sucks
>>721279851Microsilk is in the drinking water, turning the freaking bugs gay!
>>721279851That's because the silk corruption spread from them to their children and their children's children. This is all in the Songclave Snail's dialogue after you visit Whiteward.
>>721279762>>721279661Basically, if you've ever played The Citadel, the Haunting is akin to the mass hypnotic mind rape wave the Sleeping God used. Quite literally 1:1, with the exception that Hornet doesn't use a blessed nuclear bomb to abort GMS out of existence (and rape Sherma minutes before getting vaporized).
>>721279852in the area where you removed em yeahbut nothing globally or if you remove all of em
>>721279851
>>721279851>Pilgrims from everywhere are controlled by the haunting.They are pretty rare pre citadel
>>721279743When you return to an area that had one, it will have less void enemies.
>>721279893Nope, I was exploring paths I hadn't done yet in older areas and some fucker locked me up
>>721279743I did too was hoping it would do anything
>>721279893I think if it happens in Act 1, because you can't open the path to the citadel you just end up finding the bellway and leaving through there.
>>721279984A lot of these feel like they should rhyme, but they don't.
>>721279984Took me a while to realize these are like headstones left at the places where they mummified Weavers.
>>721279319wtf that explains it
>>721280281Maybe they do in Weaverish
>let's just make a huge boss that zips all around the arena and spams multiple projectiles, that will be fun to play against
>>721280281this wasn't written by Dr. Seuss
>>721266889That's it. I'm not visiting anymore of these threads until I'm done with the game.
>>721280425I beat her first try, is not that hard lol
>>721280243can confirm that's what happened to me
>>721280425you can dash out of 99% of her moves and jump on reaction to the ones that don't get beaten by that
>>721280502Do you really go and click every spoiler image and textfucking retard deserved for it
>>721280243there's also a way to walk out of it, iirc, it took me to some mountain or whatever
>>721280425Jump on top of her like pure vessel
>>721280593I can't help it, now I'm going to fuck off.
>>721280596True, but you can't do the mountain in Act 1
am I a shitter if I find the final act 2 boss hard10 attempts and counting
>>721280704She's easy to overthink, that's for sure. She doesn't have contact damage on her body so you can just go ham while avoiding the needles.
>>721280704yeahyou're probably overthinking it
>>721280512>>I beat her first try, is not that hard lol>t.
>>721280606hard to do that when she's spazzing out and jumping all over the arena
>>721280771>>721280779I'll try harder guys.
>>721280425>that will be fun to play againstnobody said this once during the development
>>721280425Equip Silkspeed. You'll thank me.
>>721280803It's always this
>>721280803Does scuttle have i-frames or something? Didn't mess with it.
>>721280669>wait so what happens if I DO try to do the mountain in act one>bellbeast there>walk out>start freezingah
>>721281117Oh, you're gonna freeze. You need a movement ability but it's gonna be a hellrun to the top no matter what.
>>721280923didn't do anything for me
>>721280803 I fucking hate that crest it wasHunterRed: Flintslate, Straight PinBlue: Multibinder, Injector BandYellow: Compass, Spider Strings+ Magnetite Dice + Weavelight
>>721281117You can't progress without a specific movement skill
>>721280986Idk, but it does make Hornet move like a cute spooper
>>721281261>>721281159ah yeah I checked outside and there's an impossible jump really early onI thought I might be able to cheese it with a pogo off a hanging ring, but the ring doesn't give you a pogo despite being hit with attacksfair enough
>>721281393Good instinct, you'll figure out what the ring is for later.
>>721274982This might shock you to hear, but they actually made an entire, huge area with the design of the Coral Tower and then scrapped it for lore reasons, they wanted those lush environments to be in the past. I understand where they were coming from, beautiful coral ocean doesn't really fit in Pharloom's present.
