She's written to be a pretentious cunt

retarded
that's like saying electricity or gravity is bad

>>721343336
Attons a faggot.

>>721343408
Retard is you

>>721343336
Some retard dev/writer had a whore psychotic bipolar mother and projected being unable to satisfy her wishes in any way onto this character

>>721343336
Free will was the popular thing at the time. It was almost its own genre. Ayn Rand was getting a resurgence in academia. It's why everyone suddenly stopped wanting endless war and world policing.

The Force causes Star Wars

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>"EXIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILE!" Kreia shook the Ebon Hawk as she calmly scolded the Exile through the force
>"DID YOU PUT 5 CREDITS INTO THE GOBLET OF HOMELESSNESS?" Kreia's query splitting the Exile's brain into pieces
>"It may help him - if nothing else but to survi-" The Exile mentally stammered in response
>"AND WHAT IF BY SURVIVING HE BRINGS A GREATER DARKNESS UPON ANOTHER?!" Kreia bellowed with a gentleness greater than the detonation of the Mass Shadow Generator
>"And what if it doesen't?" The Exile meekly replied as he collapsed to the floor
>"THE FORCE BINDS ALL THINGS,THE SMALLEST TOUCH SENDS ECHOES THROUGH THE FORCE, EVEN AN ACT OF KINDNESS HAS MORE SEVER REPRECUSSIONS THAN YOU KNOW! BY GIVING HIM WHAT HE HAS NOT EARNED ALL YOU HAVE HELPED HIM BECOME IS ANOTHER TARGET, AND IN THE END ALL YOU WILL HAVE WROUGHT IS MORE PAIN! THAT IS MY LESSON TO YOU" Kreia's tender tutoring giving the Exile an aneurism
>" I will consider what you have said." The Exile gasped as he jammed a life support pack into himself
>"That is all I ask." Kreia said as she gave another 50 influence points to Jedi Jesus

>>721343336
She got raped so hard she went blind and lost force sensitivity. Probably just feels betrayed by "the force" and all the other shit is her trying to rationalize.

>>721343336
This cunt needed to chill the fuck out, it was only 5 credits. Acting like the universe was going to collapse in on itself is mega cringe

>>721343336
Kreia wants free will. Force is, as defined in the prequels, deterministic. It's not that complicated.

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>>721344453
>get stabbed to death for 5 credits
>"yo relax lol, lmao"

>>721345234
>The universe loses a beggar
I can see why Kreia was so upset, because she begs all the time for influence points

>George Lucas, an idiot: Anakin was the Chosen One and he fulfilled his Force given destiny by killing Palpatine and dying in the process (meaning Fate/the Force was deliberately guiding events to the perfect setup of putting his son in front of him 20 years later when he was at his most emotionally vulnerable and fatigued after decades of self loathing)
>Idiots on the Internet: The Force doesn't work like Chris Avellone says! Pay attention to the CANON! (That directly states that yes it fucking does, lmao)

>>721343336
>Give a homeless a pittance
>A bunch of other homeless mug him
Maybe if Kreia shut the hell up he wouldn't have been shanked in the streets

>>721345632
BASED

She was a sith who went insane.

Its strange Jolee came to the same conclusion that the force will force the lightside and darkside to to cause some large fucked up war every hundred or so years but he didnt go insane from it

>>721345234
she probably made them do it cause she coping

>>721345983
>chose to live like a recluse in perhaps the most remote location possible short of just flying to the Outer Rim to find a planet nobody's ever seen before
The actions of a completely sane man

>>721346121
He literally didn't have a choice

Was Kreia hot in her youth?

>>721345578
His destiny was killing the Palpatine
The Force didn't intend for this to happen in such a tragic way
What occurred was the Force's backup plan that became necessary due to Anakin's own retarded choices
We talk about Space Christianity. Read Jonah, you can take part in God's plan the hard way or the easy way.

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>>721343426
Atton is funny, unlike Carth who was a mopey faggot

>>721346306
That's not even remotely true

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>>721346121
>Guy just became a hermit probably crushed Wookie puss
>vs a woman who went insane she wanted to kill the force for its inherent nature and as a result kill everyone in the galaxy

>>721346464
One, Lucas explicitly says "destroying the Sith" includes Anakin as well because he's Darth Vader
Two, the Force is Space Taoism

>>721343336
Sex with Visas Marr

>>721346623
>crashed on a backwater planet in his already malfunctioning ship with zero ways to repair it
He basically tells you as such in one of the convos you have with him.

>>721343336
Isn't she just a force ghost? Hardly anyone ever interacts with her and, iirc, she never interacts with any object.

>>721346812
It's both Space Christianity and Space Taoism
This is why the balance isn't equal amount of Jedi and Sith, but the elimination of the Sith who want to hoard all the Force to themselves
Had Anakin not became the Sith, he wouldn't have to destroy himself. He did, not wanting to trust the Force/God, so the Force/God had him fulfill his destiny the hard way.

>>721346967
>makes the choice to stay in the Shadowlands for 20 years when he could have gone to live with the Wookies, at the very least
So, not true.

>>721347162
>moving goalposts

>>721347050
Guess all those times she sliced a droid in half and stunned the entire room with force lightning was my imagination.

>>721347050
She literally gets her hand cut off at the beginning of the game. Put down the meth pipe, anon.

>>721347162
Literally why would he want to live with a bunch of extremely xenophobic walking carpets? He totally made the right choice.

>>721343408
People don't form sects and cause massive galactic conflicts because electricity coaxed them into doing so.

/v/ is mad because shes right about everything

>>721343408
How is gravity not bad? I'm forced to stay on ground and I'm forever in constant mild pain because it keeps pulling me against the ground
My entire mode of existence and everything I experience is defined by this shit, where I can go and what I can see and do
Fuck gravity

>>721347406
>he lacks critical information

>>721343336
Star Wars is super retarded and gay.

>>721345438
>she begs
????

>>721347597
>go into orbit and exist in zero gravity
>turns out your entire biology relies on gravity and your body starts going to shit without it

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The Force is a lot like the warp in 40k. It's a huge hazard to use if you aren't highly trained with it and can turn you into a monster with only the desire to dominate and destroy everything around you with zero regard to whatever your original priorities were. And that isn't EU shit. That's what the movies are about.

Kreia takes that issue to the extreme.

>>721347406
kotor2 is chaos-gnostic

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She will never be appreciated enough. Making local normies seethe by simply going "think before you act and think why you're acting" is so powerful.

>>721347597
There wouldn't be places to go without gravity.

>>721348031
She's manipulating you from the start thoughever

>>721347783
>your entire biology relies on gravity
Yeah because gravity made it so

>>721343336
she knows about the Whills
so should you

>>721348062
What if I like being manipulated by GILFs?

>>721347392
I think they'd go full jihad when they find out how the new mandalorians sourced the beskar for their new capital.

>>721347597
>Prolonged exposure to zero gravity causes severe muscle atrophy and bone density loss, cardiovascular deconditioning, fluid shifts that lead to puffiness, impaired vision, and balance issues due to inner ear disruption

>>721348058
You only think that because your gravity addled mind has convinced you that it's not a "place" if it doesn't have topography and shit
Emancipate yourself from mental slavery, reject Gravity

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>>721347392
>Mandolorians never rise above being the galaxy's biggest attention whores for the next 4000 years

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>>721347392
>Have a series people actually enjoy about an outcast mercenary doing mercenary things with a small group of ride or die comrades helping each other just get by in this bitch of a galaxy
>Turn it into girlboss' autistic shiny sword quest because one of the season 1 actors liked Trump
How did they manage to fuck things up so bad?

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>>721349038
>2 hands
ruined

Has ANY other character shared her perspective on the Force since her inception? Its definitely an interesting way to view things

>manipulator hates being manipulated
It's that simple really.

KoToR 1: The Force Awakens
>intro ripped from og Star Wars, rebel ship attacked by imperial cruiser, macguffin jetissoned in escape pod
>wookie buddy gets locked away by gamorreans
>teasing Bastila about rescuing her the same way Han did with Leia
>"look! this R2 unit has a bad motivator!"
>shown around a high-class area by a shady guy like on Bespin
>heroes' ship is discount Millennium Falcon
>villain is a cyborg sith lord
>planet gets blown up by the villain to start act 2
>"don't get cocky" turret section
>"he is too old to train"
>heroes unwittingly fall into the enemy ship's tractor beam
>stealth mission to free someone goes south and turns into a loud escape
>gunslinger hero tries to gun down the villain, who effortlessly deflects the attempt
>"I am your father" style reveal from the villain in the 2nd act low point
>final act has a huge space station protected by an emitter on a planet
>hero initially fails to turn loved one back to the light side
>"It's a trap!" space battle initially goes bad
>hero finally turns loved one back to the light through sacrifice and they help him win
>final battle takes place in a command center overlooking the space battle
>big victory parade where not everyone gets a medal

KoToR 2: The Last Jedi
>despite the hopeful ending of the last entry, it seems like everything's gone to shit
>mentor character deconstructs the whole setting for our young hero
>"let the past die, kill it if you have to"
>no real main villain, after the supposed one gets unceremoniously killed on an exploding ship, the final act is a wet fart
>"hah, you thought there would be some big twist about your background? lol nope" speech from the final boss

I guess it really does rhyme.

>>721349232
Closest I can think of is Jolee from KOTOR 1

>>721343774
this would be valid if the guy didn't actually die or murder someone

>>721343774
sick r/kotor material

>>721343408
>he doesn't know

>>721346619
nah carth was funny too
his behavior was more charming in a cheeky way if you were a woman
if you were a man, he was direct and firm. you should want this kind of behavior from those close to you because otherwise you don't know where you stand with them.
insecure people don't like him because he doesn't immediately fall in love and praise you

if you charged up her loading ramp would the pleasure be doubled thanks to the connection

>>721349232
Kenobi in star wars
Yoda in empire strikes back
Vader in return of the jedi
Qui Gon Jin in phantom menace
Probably more in the books

>>721352743
vader kind of does in star wars as well
and han solo

>>721349232
Dexter jettster in attack of the clones.
B2-34 in revenge of the sith
Its pretty common, every one in star wars basically is exactly like kriea.

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>>721352743
>anyone from the OT
The absolute closest any of them get to Kreia is when Vader tells Luke that it is his destiny to destroy the Emperor, which the Emperor has already forseen.

That's what Kreia means. The Force itself has chosen a champion to end Palpatine's reign and bring down the Empire. Vader isn't trying to avert it or change it, he's just trying to hitch himself to Luke's rising star.

>>721353405
What? You wanna give that thought a second pass?

>>721353450
You wanna give an actual criticism instead of a contradiction?

>>721353405
Kreia's mindset was that she resents the thought that the Force is manipulating her and everyone else to its own will at all, none of that sounds anything like her deal

>>721353450
>Kreia: The Force is manipulating us all and deciding events on a galactic stage to suit its own whims
>Vader: Luke, buddy, the Force has decided you're going to kill the Emperor and I want to come with
Even Kenobi and Yoda decide the only part in the Empire's downfall they're going to play is to train some kid from a backwater shithole. 20 years of sitting around waiting for "the last hope" that is Luke Skywalker (and Leia).

>>721343892
The cry of the jedicel when he gets redpilled on how cringe he is for 'helping' (he was just hurting more people by being cringe).

>>721353897
Yes, that's why I said "closest" and not "exactly what she says". Vader can see the Force's manipulations and accepts it, because it's only the Emperor's death that has been decreed. He can still get something he wants out of the situation so he has no reason to fight fate.

Contrasted by Luke who is told by his mentors that Vader's irredeemable and has to die, which he resists until Anakin proves otherwise.

>>721343892
A daring synthesis

>>721353984
You haven't even asked me what I meant in my vague statement. You're pretending you can read my mind like a total fucking narcissist.

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Say it

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>>721354959
*Kneels before Jarjar*
You...were right...I apologize...

>>721354959
Your movies always sucked.
It's fantasy in space for retards.

>>721354959
your a sell out nigger faggot

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>>721343892
This is the post that made me realize that Kreia, probably deliberately to manipulate you, mirrors the council's fear and inaction when you do light side actions. The same exact arguments about the potential blowback or effect on the force or the ramifications they can't conceive of at the time that left them paralyzed to act when they needed. The damn witch will still criticize the council for that in other conversations.

>>721355781
The Council got cold feet because of Exar Kun and the Sith War turning a bunch of Jedi to the Dark Side, then refusing to get involved in the Mandalorian Wars because "the last time Jedi mass mobilized into a galactic conflict a load of them became evil". Then were proven basically right when Revan all but brought the entire Order down.

Kreia's making a generalised point about your actions harming others without your intention. The Council was making a specific point that Jedi can't be trusted to fight wars without harming themselves.

>>721349232
Disney Luke in TLJ

>>721347597
yeah, this man gets it.

>>721356149
>Then were proven basically right when Revan all but brought the entire Order down
Revan's entire thing was that they needed to act when the council wouldn't. Everything went to shit because they let someone else lead and guide the Jedi for them not because they went to war.

>>721355339
wordswordswordswords
Go back.

>>721346812
>>721347143
The force is far more like Manicheanism, or even gnosticism, with the good evil duality.

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what if I told you "grey jedi" exist just not how it's generally percieved by fans? (well, just "grey", the jedi part makes no sense)

>>721356457
>Revan's entire thing was that they needed to act when the council wouldn't. Everything went to shit because they let someone else lead and guide the Jedi for them not because they went to war.
The council's entire purpose seems to be shifting blame and doing nothing essentially spinning in place. That's a good trick.

>>721354959
Mara Jade

>>721347050
If you played the game, you'd notice that Kreia's "invincibility" to people is explained. Even at the jedi enclave scene, when Kreia reveals herself, the Jedi remark her to be a shadow of the Exile. Disciple's whole shtick is realizing that Kreia is fucking with people and hiding her presence.

>>721349926
The difference is that KOTOR 2 did not have to completely ruin/force a previously established character to act in such a way they never would all for the sake of 'subverting' expectations

Also there WAS a big twist about the Exile, they were literally special.

>>721356457
Revan's Sith Empire was built on the foundation of the Republic soldiers he'd led into battle, regular men and women who weren't corrupted by the Dark Side but radicalised by how brutal the war was. Next to Exar Kun's little spergout it was the biggest galactic conflict the Republic had been in since the Great Hyperspace War against the original Sith. Neither the Jedi nor the Republic troops were prepared for how bad it got by the end.

>>721355781
What? Kreia dislikes it a lot more if you go dark side, especially if that includes murder hoboing, aka killing NPCs without much reason. Light side is her preferred road for the Exile. People just chimp out, because she asks the player to make their actions for their own sake, instead of just dogmatically following either light or dark, in pursuit of alignment points.

midwit sightings are all too common these days
see>>721356786

>>721345578
Also Lucas :
During the Clone Wars, the Father drew Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi, and Jedi Padawan Ahsoka Tano into the realm from the Chrelythiumn system.[2] The Father realized that Skywalker was the prophesized Chosen One, and that he could maintain the balance of the Force between the two children once the Father died.
I don't think Georgie boy really knows what anything means.

>>721357181
eat shit I can prove it

>>721357157
well the stupid bitch doesnt realize the games systems dont reward fence sitting
im gonna get my full light / full dark bonus as fast as i can you wrinkly crone

>>721357157
She doesn't want you to choose either side, the game itself tries to railroad you into it. She'd prefer it if you just gave up the force again.

>>721357429
so make a reddit post, faggot
this place isn't for attention seeking

>>721357490
Almost like it's supposed to make the player think about how the force funnels force users to certain types of behaviors...
>>721357501
While she says that making the Exile feel the force was a mistake, once that door was opened, she wants you to choose. There's a reason there is no "middle"-path, because no such thing exists. You have to choose, but you can choose on your own terms, which is what Kreia wants. Alignment points are so plentiful that you don't have to dogmatically pick every alignment choice. The Exile is the only one with free will, and Kreia wants you to use that free will.

>>721357501
>She'd prefer it if
Her last words are pretty much "go, do whatever the fuck you want, just as long as it's what YOU want to do. rebuild the jedi order, go into exile again, whatever, I don't care."

>>721357812
i'm not, i'm just lending my opinion because the topic of grey jedi will inevitably come up and people will be retarded about it

>>721357490
most of the guides show you can capitalize by choosing the light side response and when Kreia scolds you just walk it back, you usually lose nothing

>>721358134
except the self respect of not using a guide to dictate how you play the game

>>721343670
Is free will no longer popular or something?

>>721356821
Shes hot

>>721358418
Doesn't need any guide. Just pick the response that says you will consider what she said, or better. In Peragus, the game teaches that different characters gain and lose influence from different things. Kreia is obviously prideful, which is why by respecting her you gain influence and prevent influence losses.

On the other hand, there are things you can do that she won't forgive by mere words. Killing randomly is something that she despises and you are unable to prevent a influence loss. Lightside moments are just her trying to teach. Random killings are her being disappointed.

>>721343336
Revan buck broke her completely. That was her problem.

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All the "classic" Star Wars games aged like shit and are such a chore to play. With the exception of Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy, because id Tech 3 was the pinnacle of PC-gaming. So these two games still play incredibly. Every other Star Wars game, including KOTORs, fucking sucks donkey balls. KOTOR 2 is also for midwit troons and pedos.

>>721359546
isnt the philosophy of kriea guy a pedo

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>>721359673
Yes. He's Canadian, and he is in jail for CP.

>>721359673
Yeah. His philosophy of Kreia video is also terrible and inaccurate.

>>721354959
>sold the rights to Disney
>cried about it and called them "white slavers"
he deserves less sympathy than when he just made bad movies

>>721343336
She believes the force is inherently bad because it affects everything around it either directly or indirectly and takes away the agency of everyone it comes into contact with. It corrupts light and dark in different ways and it makes people weak because they rely on it too much. Her views are actually pretty mild, slightly right of center beliefs. She wants to destroy the force because everyone relies on it too much and it makes them weak, and people who can't feel it or use it are still affected against their will just by being around it, so it takes away their agency and personal choice.

This isn't really that crazy of an ideology, all things considered. She also exists as a critique of Star Wars itself, how even the "good" guys do evil things but get a pass because they're doing it in the name of good. KotoR was not the first piece of Star Wars media to explore these things, and it wasn't the last.

>>721359787
>traps
>loli
>evafag
>prequelfag
Jesus christ

>>721359787
do we know that for a fact or did he just go quiet?

>>721359851
What was bad about it?

>>721359546
You need to watch better video essays.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ovwQJnItzU

>>721343336
She failed at everything she ever did in life, and it finally culminated in the ultimate woman moment, that is trying to kill the universe for causing her failings.

>>721359787
>and he is in jail for CP
I've never seen people prove this and its been parroted for awhile. Its funny his videos went from >Star wars, Eva, Traps, star wars and finally cunny

>>721360561
I haven't watched the video in years, but from what I remember, surface level analysis of Nietszhe, mistakes in Kreia's actual motivations, assumptions about things, like Kreia definitively being Arren Kae, and focusing on the wrong things. If you google around, I think there was some Kreia autist that wrote a review of that video. I don't agree with every point of that review, but it was largely correct.

>>721343408
The Force is both an everpresent law of reality and something metaphysical and spiritual, driving fate and giving people powers. To compare it to gravity while reasonable would be somewhat wrong. Hell, The Force can be killed or cut off from an entire galaxy if you go by what happened in the galaxy of the Yuuzhan Vong or just the general existence of The Exile in KOTOR 2. Kreias hatred for it mostly stems from what happened to Revan and her other students, the Jedi/Mandolirian wars and being betrayed by Sion and Nihilus.

>>721343892
>I will consider what you have said.
unironically that is all she asks
if being presented with a simple dilemma gives you aneurism maybe you should've stayed exiled

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>>721343408
Gravity? Who gives a crap about gravity?

>>721343336
not enough dick, so she turned into a karen

>>721354959
OT >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> insane fucking power gap >>>>> One Piece >>>>> Prequels > Sequels

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>>721361524
karen?
aren k.
arren kae
coincidence? i don't think so

>>721361789
aren't okay

>>721343336
She wants you to be some boring ass middle of the ground fence sitter, fucking annoying

She sidnt say for le bad.
Play again.

>>721343336
>the force doesn't allow for free choice
>that's why i'm gonna make a choice for everyone and kill it
kek

>>721343336
>character just wants you to think before you act instead of just clicking on blue or red options
>this triggers midwits twenty years later
This is why every bioware character does nothing but suck your cock and tell you how special you are

>>721347406
ANON YOU DUMFUCK, OUR BRAINS RUN ON ELECTRICITY

>>721362274
Maybe yours does

>>721362421
Everyone's does, what next? You gonna tell me there aren't skeletons inside of us?

>>721362483
You sound like a typical nosebreather normie

>>721360369
No it's pulled out of their ass. It's more likely that he's actually dead.

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>>721347814
nuh-uh

>>721360112
>shes a militant angstheist who is mad at God
we know

Post Kreia lewds already

>amazed over the Exile cutting herself off from the force
>tries to replicate the results with two apprentices
>fails so terribly that the galaxy is now threatened
>never even tries to achieve it herself
>seeks out the Exile and spends an entire game lecturing her about shit
>dies patting herself on the back as if she had a hand in the Exile's accomplishment
While I can appreciate some of the wisdom in her lectures, and the game lets you tell her off a bit, but it's annoying that you can never really get to the crux of how pathetic she really is.

>>721363568
>it's annoying that you can never really get to the crux of how pathetic she really is
She admits that herself when you criticise her for using the force

>>721362274
It's an entirely different scenario. Energy just exists and operates based on a predetermined set of universal rules. It doesn't have a will or agenda.
The force doesn't just exist. The force DOES have a will and agenda. And not only is the force not beholden to universal rules, it can directly counteract or bend the forces of nature to exact said will. What next? You gonna claim that carbons should be worshipping oxygen as god?

>>721363568
anon the entire game is about proving her wrong

>>721363789
>You gonna claim that carbons should be worshipping oxygen as god?
Shouldn't they though?

>>721343336
>Reven left without saying goodbye. So she is mad at the Force about it.
I seriously disliked her and wanted to jettison her in space.

>>721363819
The entire game is about proving that she's a petty bitch who doesn't follow what she preaches. Doesn't mean she was wrong.

>>721363708
one throw away line that she shrugs off and never mentions again

Are Mandalorians niggers?
>WE FIGHT FOR HONOR
>slaughters civilians just because
>don't care if a fight is fair, will pick on unprepared planets because GLORY OF BATTLE
>claim to not care if they loss but their FIRST goal the second they regain any semblance of power is planning to settle the score
Just a bunch of violent fight monkeys without a shred of empathy for other people who DON'T like to slaughter civilizations for fun.
I would murder every Mandalorian in this setting if the option was presented

>Qui-Gon Jinn believes that the Force is an actor with agency and a will, a plan that it wishes to be followed
>when Qui-Gon Jinn died, he understood the Force so well that he was allowed into Space Heaven, the first Jedi to have done so
Qui-Gonn Jinn must be correct that the Force is God. Kreia's quest is foolhardy because you simply can't beat God.

>>721364658
For Canderous you can tell some of its a facade. In KOTOR 1 and 2 you can tell hes distressed by losing the war, the men, the fall from grace his people experienced in being manipulated to attack the galaxy. Then you meet others who share that same viewpoint. They dont like that they lost period, nobody does.

>>721343408
>that's like saying electricity or gravity is bad
accept those are real
the force isn't for most
you basically saying magic is real
retard

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>>721364887
Qui-Gon was a stinky hobo of a Jedi

>>721343408
Gravity doesn't tell me what to do or corrupt me if I have strong emotions like the force does.

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>>721343336
>unironically whats her problem
not enough young dick

>>721364897
I just really get irked by the hypocrisy. Mandalorians justify their fight culture by insisting they wanted 'worthy battle' and to prove themselves against strong opponents but most stories you hear of the Mandalorian Wars is them picking on Cathar/Onderon who had no real means of fighting back at all and it was just Mandalorians gassing themselves up for picking on weaklings. Then when Jedi got involved they got fucked over and they refuse to see the irony in now being at the mercy of a stronger civilization, that for all their boasting of strength and how 'the weak serve to feed the strong' they refuse to acknowledge who the weaker ones were in this exchange.

And then they keep talking shit about how the second they're ready they're gonna start shit up again like they learned nothing from the previous experience. Just a worthless, mindless 'race' of 'honorable' 'warriors' who talk more about honor than they actually display it.

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>>721365115
>and smells like a rodian
what did he mean by that?

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>>721365509
To play devil's advocate - there is a conversation with Canderous in KOTOR 2 where he admits picking on Onderon and Outer Rim worlds was beneath them but they did it intentionally to rile up the Republic. The Republic wasn't engaging them at all and so they thought if they burned enough worlds they'd HAVE to take action, even if it was tasteless to pic on unprepared worlds the ends justified the means of getting a real opponent to take action.

>>721365974
NTA but I always found that excuse shoddy. Fight the Jedi and Republic army on their strongest worlds, broadcast it to them. Imagine needing to pick on a kid so you can fight his adult brother, then complaining he kicked your ass.

>>721365974
it really shows where their priorities lie if they think that having a glorious battle is more important than not deliberately killing civilians

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>>721365974
>comic establishes the entire messing about in the Outer Rim was to lead the Republic in a false sense of security before they blitzkrieg'd their way to Taris and into the Mid Rim
I know the comic came out long after the games but it was still weird reading them first and then finding absolutely no reference to the most major events in them on Taris. I think the closest they got to a direct reference to the games was the Mandalorians nuking Serroco.

>>721343336
The ending is so shite

>>721354959
American Graffiti is hokey shit

>>721355339
>censored Hitler
lol
lmao

>>721343336
>uh actually dark side murderous sith aren't bad and jedi aren't good
Damn, that's deep.

>>721343336
I've never watched Star Wars before. Is it worth watching them all? Do I start with the first one or the prequels?

>>721367337
Watch the luke skywalker films. Play kotor 1 and 2. That's everything worth a damn.

>>721367337
Start with the originals

>>721367337
Start with the original trilogy. Find the 4k77/80/83 versions online, the versions on Disney+ and every home video release from the last 30 years are hackjobs and not the movies that people actually liked

The prequels suck and you will not like them unless you are a toddler, they can be ignored

>>721367337
Yes Star Wars is worth watching
Watch the original trilogy first THEN the prequels, you appreciate the prequels more knowing what they lead up to
Avoid the sequel trilogy like the plague

>>721367618
>The prequels suck
Yes (except for III) but I still think they should count as mandatory viewing alongside the original trilogy because they are George Lucas' unfiltered vision for his creation, with all the bad/good that brings

>>721367618
>The prequels suck and you will not like them unless you are a toddler
Fuck you, I was the target audience when phantom menace came out and I still didn't like it.

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>>721367337
>Is it worth watching them all?
They're mediocre to bad unless you watched them as a child. I only like this franchise because I grew up with lego star wars, clone wars and video games. But the order is 4-6 1-3. Don't watch the Disney movies.

Someone post the pretzel audio

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https://vocaroo.com/16YCaFRim64v

>>721367337
Only the original trilogy has any merit at all. To watch (and enjoy) the other movies, you have to be retarded. Original Star Wars movie is good, Empire Strikes Back is excellent, Return of the Jedi is decent.

>>721368110
Prequels have great lightsaber fights, cool villains, political intrigue, and ends in bitter tragedy
I'm not saying they're high cinema or even 'good' but you are missing out on 'something' not watching them.

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>>721368019
What just blessed my ears?

>>721367767
>except for III
Especially 3. The way it hamfists the transition from prequels to originals is awful.

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>>721354959
He was right.
>Women shouldn't be in the workforce

>>721368410
The lightsaber fights aren't that good. People may make heckin' onions face when seeing their marvel hero jumping around, but it has very little to do with the movies intrinsic quality.

The villains aren't that cool. They are mostly underbaked shit that come and go as the story demands.

Political intrigue is terrible. The movies are stuck between wanting to portray anything approaching depth, then realizing the movies are for manchildren, or literal children, thus refusing to actually explore anything actual "deep".

Lastly, the tragedy is also underbaked trash. You can see what Lucas was going for, but he utterly fails at the presentation and the journey. It requires imagination, alternative media and disregarding what is actually presented, to think of the prequels as a meaningful tragedy. The movies range from bad to mediocre.

>>721368019
>The republic trooper continues to stream his violent beheadings of kidnapped imperial officials
https://files.catbox.moe/jup5cu.mp4

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>>721368019
kek

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>>721354959
https://vocaroo.com/198b2Tu1s6Qy

>>721367337
>Is it worth watching them all?
The original is the quintessential heros journey, and you'll fully understand why people have so frequently looked back on it since as a constant source of inspiration.

Prequel trilogy is mixed. It has a lot of issues, but it excels at rule of cool. Spin off media, from cartoons to vidya, based on it tends to be decent and sometimes amazing.

Sequel Triolgy is a joke. The Force Awakens is a New Hope if it was made by untalented people. It's a weird homunculus trying to act as though it's something it's not. The following two movies are horrendous, and you will be worst off for having seen them. It's also as though the creators actively hate the concept of cool.

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>Sith lord character can marry his twi'lek slave
>Before sex she tells you she is a virgin and waited until marriage
>Sends you mail talking about wanting to make your ship more suitable to have babies
Yeah this could never happen in a modern bioware game.

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>>721369923
She also is kinky and likes you shocking her.
Then they made all companions and the MC bisexual.

>>721369923
It's lame that you can't progress her story past the 10% mark unless you free her. It's fine if you don't want a slave romance, but don't cockblock me from any content with her past the starter planet unless I free her.

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This is a bully free zone! We love our Mission here.

>>721370347
What do you mean? I am pretty sure we could've killed her by overzapping her before.

>>721347143
>but the elimination of the Sith who want to hoard all the Force to themselves
I don't know, they weren't the ones conducting midichlorian eugenics in on-screen media.

>>721370426
After a while, she gets accustomed to being shocked and refuses to talk to you unless you free her.

>>721370397
twi'lek brat needs correction
blue butt made for spanking

>>721368802
>The lightsaber fights aren't that good
Fuck you yes they are. Look at some of the behind the scenes, there is a LOT of fine detail that go into the fight choreography

>>721370397
Yeah, I love making her best friend and guardian execute her in cold blood

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>>721343336
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq1N8K0IyWs

>>721370397
>Mission is unequivocally best girl
>She can't be romanced

Outrageous. Unfair even.

>>721365248
Sex

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>>721343336
>unironically whats her problem
the Force, she makes that pretty clear

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>>721377353
Disney's Mandalorians are so gay

>>721377353
>go take a bath
Fun fact: there's a whole story dedicated to a group of bounty hunters trying to kill Boba Fett while he takes a bath

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>>721377353
>Mandalore the Indomitable was loyal to dark side Ulric Qel-Droma
>Mandalore the Ultimate was an imperial intelligence glowop secretly loyal to Vitiate's Sith Empire
>Canderous was loyal to Revan
>great war Mandalore was loyal to Sith Empire
>TOR Mandalore was working for Sith Empire
>most of Clone Wars Mandalorians were loyal to Darth Maul
>rebellion era Mandalore regime was loyal to Palpatine
>Bobba Fett worked for Darth Vader

They were always useful idiots for the Sith.

So we agree that Kreia should've been a love interest right?

>>721378331
>>Mandalore the Ultimate was an imperial intelligence glowop secretly loyal to Vitiate's Sith Empire
SWTOR isn't canon

>>721378501
Neither is kotor.

>>721378501
The mandalorians being manipulated into attacking the republic by the true Sith empire was set up in kotor 2

She’s a simple character — yet profoundly complex in her beliefs.

She was both a Jedi and a Sith, and eventually realized that despite their vast differences, both were entirely dependent on the Force for everything. Dith Nullius is the apex of this idea, as he is essentially one with the dark side of the Force.

She wants to increase human autonomy and freedom, and despises "doing good" for others when it robs them of the opportunity to overcome challenges on their own.

However, she may fail to recognize that acts of kindness can be positive-sum — benefitting both the giver and the receiver. She also doesn’t fully see that "survival of the fittest" is not a good long-term strategy for society as a whole.

She hates when you lean into the dark side, because in this game the dark side is depicted as outright psychopathic, a complete loss of self-control. For her, giving in to one’s emotions is the same as surrendering to the Force — and she resists that.

At the same time, she fails to see that strong emotions can be a source of endurance and strength.

Despite her skepticism of helping others, she is genuinely willing to help you in any way she can — even sacrifice everything — so that you can make your own choice, even if it’s a choice she disagrees with.

She ultimately realizes that the Force is not just an energy field, but an active participant in events — the main cause of the endless conflicts in the Star Wars universe. Its constant drive for balance robs humanity of true agency, and its primary tool for achieving balance is mass violence "star wars"

She might not even be opposed to the violence itself — but she resents how it strips away free will. To her, the only way to truly liberate humanity is to destroy the Force entirely, freeing everyone from its influence.

>>721354959
The prequels I could stand, but he ruined the legacy of Star Wars not just for himself but for everyone when he sold it to Disney

Does anyone actually play the "canon" female exile in this game?

>>721380383
I did it when I played through both games before playing SWTOR

>>721356846
COME ON, YOU TALENTESS SLAVIC PIECE OF SHIT!
FUCKING SAY IT!

>>721354959
KOTOR 2 is better than anything you ever made. FAT BOY

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you can be between light and dark without being in the process of falling to the dark side, but it's not an easy feat to achieve

>>721380383
I did and it's a sidegrade compared to the male Exile exclusive content. Atris and her relationship with the male PC is much more interesting. You also get Handmaiden who is much better than the blonde faggot. Atton is a good bro companion as well, he makes a better right hand man than Carth ever did.

The only thing you really lose out on is Darth Sion being a more complete character with a girl PC. You get to see a different side of Atton as a character in the "romance." His dynamic with Sion is also genuinely kino. The love triangle with blonde faggot is also very entertaining because it's so detached from the rest of the games tone.

>>721359787
>video about loli art
>Cucknada
>jail
So it was for a bunch of drawings, or actual pizza with actual victims?

>>721372850
How can one have a twi'lek character and not make her romanceable?

>>721381209
you can't

>>721382924
People say it was actual pizza he shared on discord.

>>721347050
she explains that she can hide her presence when you ask why Atris didn’t recognize her

>>721360369
It's real. All the documents were posted in kiwifarms.

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>>721383169
you can.

>>721384403
nope

>>721384403
>yidsney shit
You can't.

>filonislop

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>>721384558
you can.

>>721377353
>Two Wars Same Time, dude

>>721384737
Fanfiction. Kill yourself.

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>>721354959
THANK YOU, GEORGE.

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>>721384876
you can.
(original scripts written pre-buyout)

>>721385023
Yeah. She's fucking dead. Retard. You keep posting retarded fanfiction:
>>721384737
>>721384403
Kill yourself, imbecile.

Revan understood snacks.

>>721385108
>t. seething filonijew who got banned off of /tg/ again

>>721385149
Yeah, that's why he called his bitch Bastila Snack

>>721343336
think of the force like her dad and her unending angst and pseudo intellectual babble as her need to ride the cock carousel.

>>721343408
If you had an opportunity to kill electricity to prevent endless war would you do it

>>721386686
can I increase the amount of electricity to escalate the war?

>do thing, bad
>dont don’t thing, bad
>wait, don’t not do anything either. That’s apathy.
Wow. Great writing.

>>721343676
MUDAWADA BADABEENEBOBO.

>>721386935
>think before do thing, consider every angle
that's what she wanted to teach you

>>721386837
Yes that is what is currently happening

>>721343336
>unironically whats her problem
She's forever trapped in a game liked only by arrested development millennials. Just like Morrowind and New Vegas.

>>721387115
Oh excellent. Carry on doing that then.

>>721387054
>i have considered the all angles and have decided to do Thing

>bad

>>721387387
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2U-3L68gPQ

DO NOT MATE WITH THE MIRALUKA

>>721387601
fuck you grandma, I WILL fuck the miraluka

I always wondered if the more powerful sith that would follow Kreia: Palpatine, Vader, Dooku, would hear of her teachings and if they'd consider her a hipster or something

>>721387938
They clear her and would beat the shit out of her because she's a woman

>>721387938
They would think she is a retarded idiot. You can't kill the Force. There is no life without the Force. "Life creates it, makes it grow, its energy surrounds us, binds us". Midi-chlorians are in all living beings. She is a really fucking retarded character, and Avellone clearly did not understand Star Wars, and thus it's best to pretend Kreia is a retarded schizo and treat her as such.

>>721387387
Well yeah, because the character needs to learn it. All she wants you to do is
>Do thing because the secondary and tertiary ramifications will be a net positive to yourself/the situation at large
She just wants to teach you chess on a cosmic scale, to be as manipulative as her. The story of the game is the Exile learning this, that's why you as a player can't actually achieve it. The character achieves it at the end.

Crazy dark sided bitch who hates everything

>>721383254
If he really did that, he's one hell of a retard.

>>721384257
So it was real pizza? Usually, the crazy antis are the ones who end up adding cases to the the Dr. Pizza effect list.

>>721388182
Yuzhan-Vong thougheverbait.

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>>721347783
>not merging with the sandtrout first
shiggy

>>721389108
No, it's kind of complex. He did watch CP but that's not why he got caught.
His little sister was, along with one of his aunts, the ones who reported him to the police. Remember the pics he posted years ago of a little girl in pijamas/sleeping/eating bananas? That was his little sister when she was underage. Basically the past came back to bite him in the ass. The police came to his door and then they found the CP and the loli stuff which didn't help.

>>721346219
I like his introduction, where the bio-scanner is just reading off all the damage and trauma with words like "bones that have been crushed to powder"

>>721387054
no, shut up liberal

>>721343336
She was a Sith. Everything she said or did was just a lie or a manipulation so she could kill her enemies. That's it. There's nothing more to it. She never had any real philosophy or deep meaning to her teachings. It was all just psychobabble to confuse you until she was ready to strike.

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>>721365248
What would a romance route with Kreia look like?

asking for a friend.

I only ever played KOTOR 2, is 1 worth it still?

>>721346525
reminds me of
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Idz90Y66kE4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxBKUFR40sc

>>721393564
Yes, absolutely. I played 2 first as well, but greatly enjoyed 1 regardless.
Make sure to use the HD menus mod, because otherwise equipping weapons or using items is a pain in the ass.

>>721390447
Sounds vietnamese

>>721378836
and there's a difference between being manipulated and just being a brainwashed mind slave to the Super De Duper Saiyan Sith Emperor who is so mega powerful and cool and awesome

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>>721354959
Missionbros...

>>721343892
kek

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>>721343336
ill force myself upon her and see if her tone changes

i love granny pussy so fucking much you faggots have no idea