Is Pokemon a JRPG? Pro Nuzlockers think not
Two years too late to help Final Fantasy.
>>721392561yes, it's in the monster catching subgenre of JRPG
RPGs are games with heavy influence mechanics wise from actual tabletop role playing gamesPokemon IS a JRPGCase Closed
>>721392561If you think dark souls is a jrpg you're a fat pedantic retard
no one has ever calls dark souls jrpgs. weebs got duped by the fatlus logo and hated the western aesthetics and action gameplay
It's Japanese and an RPG, shut up retard.
it's japanese it's an rpg>>721392801see above
FF mainline stopped being final Fantasy for awhile now gameplay-wise. Also there exists plenty of other JRPGs that deviate from classic FF. To that end practically all of them are influenced by Ultima in some way.
>>721392561Pchal is a pozzed faggot (literally)
>>721392856Also I'd recommend either Digimon Cyber games or SMT games that let you cap demons.
Only Red and Blue is a JRPG
>>721392561Is SMT not a JRPG?Dragon Quest 5?Digimon Story?
Monster catchers are a JRPG subgenre. Only mongoloids that think>japanese unga>rpg bunga>so jrpg bongoignoring that JRPGs have always been wizardry clones because that's all they made at the time, and that was the useful distinction that was preserved as wrpgs, jrpgs, action rpgs, etc diverged from just being an "rpg".
>>721392561SMT is a jrpgPokemon is SMT for super babies.
>>721392561I would recommend them Dragon Quest Monsters
Playing Dragon Quest for the first time was honestly like discovering a Rosetta Stone for Pokemon. I am really serious when I say that if you haven't played Dragon Quest, you don't really understand the context of Pokemon and how it came into existence. The idea that JRPGs as a genre is codified by not exactly sharing the aesthetics of Final Fantasy is such a wrong way to view things. Even still, yes, Final Fantasy and Pokemon are still extremely related in terms of gameplay.
>>721392561>Pro NuzlockersWhy would I listen to a massive faggot?
>>721392561I’d recommend them Final Fantasy V>using temtem as if modern releases retroactively changes the definition of something elsekanye may have said he’s a nazi but he’s still black.
>>721393056JRPG and WRPG are distinctions made by an American media outlet that wanted to sell you more American games. The J and the W truly mean nothing more than Japanese and Western. Any additional meaning you derive is headcanon.
>>721392561Yes.
>>721393139the impetuous for trading monsters actually came from getting duplicate rare drops in DQ and being unable to share them with friends and drops having rarity lead to shitmon and raremon with different levels of desirability
Casual JRPG with a focus on collecting monsters
Why is there such a fierce debate about what a JRPG is? I've honestly never heard anyone say something like Wizardry, Pool of Radiance, and Daggerfall are not WRPGs, despite having wildly different gameplay from each other.
>>721393627Literally racism.
>>721393627Because normies don't want to be associated with Japan. It's basically racism mixed with inferiority complex, but they don't admit it and do mental gymnastics
>>721392561Never post anything from this conceited, fat kraut ever fucking again.
Trick question, you dont recommend anything to pokemon fans because they only want stuff that says "pokemon" on it regardless of genre.
>>721392768No, rpgs are games in which you freely build and expand the strengths of your character AND make choices that change the story and its outcome. Pokemon is absolutely not an rpg.
>>721393627A sense of superiority i suppose, kind of like that image of all the gacha guys on a train saying "my game is actually a bigger deal and I'm totally not like everybody else".
>>721392829Souls is a Japanese made wrpg, or jmwrpg for short
>>721392561
>>721393228Wrong. A jrpg is a FNIAR game with weeb aesthetics. If it doesn't check both of those boxes, it's not a jrpg.
>>721392561I wish pokemon games got HD-2D Dragon Quest 3 style remakes. Would easily be the best value games on the entire market
>>721394356Western aesthetic but the gameplay is clearly Japanese RPG-designed. It's part of the action RPG subgenre.
>>721392561I fail to see how Pokemon isn't a JRPG
>>721393627JRPGs murdered WRPGs in the 90s. FF7 sold 11 million copies which is more than probably eveyr 90s WRPG combined. thats why every WRPG casualized itself for consoles. most americans cant even name wizardry despite it being the hit game that put RPG games on the map everywhere. mutts seethed and put JRPGs in a ghettoalso "JRPG" and "WRPG" arent even native to japan and japs only use it now because of steam tags and MTL content
>>721392561It's a JRPG made for toddlers.
>>721394473japanese-rpg design is western-rpg design. souls is a chicken and egg like
>>721394137kek
>>721394239is pokemon a dungeon crawler then?
>>721392561That's stupid. Just because FIFA tards wouldn't play another game doesn't mean that there isn't other sports games. That's just pokemon babies being pokemon babies
>>721392561That's more a problem of recommending based on a single genre. If someone like Battlefield, you wouldn't recommend Mass Effect because shooter.
>>721392561>is dark souls a jrpgYES. Yes, it is. You can have action rpgs that are JRPGs. The trails and tales series have action and they are JRPGs.
>>721394239Lol no. Even on tabletop the gm can mandate certain paths and outcomes occur. You're wrong.
>>721394239good thing RPG's aren't the same as JRPG's then
>>721392561Yes because all JRPG means is RPG made in Japan
>>721395320False.
>>721394424There's no such thing as "weeb aesthetics" though
>>721392561If someone likes pokemon I'd recommend them a jrpg over something western.
>>721392561Is this the guy that wears pokemon print shirts and jackets?
>>721392561>he doesn't know about blue magic>he doesn't know about summoners
Is there any roguelike monster collector game that isn't a nuzlocke mod?
I think the phrase "role playing game" is the single worst genre descriptor ever conceived by the human race
>>721394239>in which you freely build and expand the strengths of your characterWhich I do by catching Pokemon of different strengths, fire mons, grass mons, etc.>AND make choices that change the story and its outcomeI can make choices in the form of "I'll now go to city X", "I'll head east and use surf to cross this water" that affect the diegetic freeform ´story´ formed in this playthrough.
>>721395338The J in JRPG stands for JapaneseIt's not a style or genre, it's just the country of origin
>turn based with no in-combat movement >party of characters>linear story with bosses, puzzles, dungeons and some exploration It's a JRPG, just that you have a lot of possible party members and compositions. But why even try to struggle against the label? It's not a judgement of worth, it's merely a shorthand to describe features. monster catching jrpg informs everyone about what kind of game to expect. This is behat genres are for.
>>721392561JRPGs force you to use more than one character lole
>>721394239>AND make choices that change the story and its outcomethat has never been true of rpgs, the "role" is mechanical, a role (class, stat, skill, weapon) you are playing is different from a role you could otherwise be playingqed
>>721392829Thats because its an action rpg which is another genre altogether.
>>721394758NTA but mainline Pokemon is monster collecting subgenre of JRPGs. There does exist Pokemon Mystery Dungeon for dungeon crawl and if you wanted a tactics flavored Pokemon there's Pokemon Conquest which crosses over with Nobunaga's Ambition.
>>721393627the term should have never been a thing to begin withsome fat loser somewhere at some point was trying to make the point that they weren't "real" RPGs and here we are
Dark souls isn't a JRPG because... because I said so!
>>721394239>AND make choices that change the story and its outcome.Lmfao What? So I Guess Final Fantasy isnt a jrpg then if thats suddenly a rule.
>>721392561Just because temtem is specifically a pokémon clone it doesn't mean they stop being jrpgs
>>721392561I think what never gets mentioned in these discussions are that JRPGs aren’t RPGs. You don’t make any choices or roleplay at all. You’re stuck as a predefined character with a predefined personality. I prefer calling them “Japanese Number Adventures”. They’re adventure games and you battle people with numbers, I think it fits.
You can't "roleplay" in a video game. You can only truly roleplay in a tabletop game, where the only limitation is your imagination.Gaming-wise, "RPG" is a pretty meaningless label that gets slapped on a bunch of different genres simply because they have numbers that go up.
>>721392561Pokemon IS a JRPG, just a simple (and kinda bad) one
>>721392561If someone liked the gameplay of pokemon I would recommend them SMT.Pokemon is a JRPG.Dark Souls isn't and anyone who calls that a JRPG is genuinely mentally challenged, though.
>>721395648Is conquest any good? I never see anyone talk about it
maybe RPG should've been called "virtualD&Dlike" or something like that.
>>721395775>You’re stuck as a predefined character with a predefined personality.Unless it's a silent protagonist, in which you're expected to pretend that the character is "you" even though literally everything else about them is pre-defined, so it just ends up being a character that doesn't speak
>>721395551Probably some fat tryhard who's embarrassed about "anime games"
>>721395648i was alluding to old crpgs with no choices and consequences where you just fight through dungeons. c&c being a necessary element of rpgs is silly
>>721395731you can go more primitive than that and look at the dozens of crpgs that your only "choice" was did you collect the key yes:pass/no:start the game over
>>721395729Souls aren't RPGs at all because every action taken is skill based and can't be replicated on tabletop. It's an action game with some rpg elements like leveling.
>>721395828Is it an RPG?Was it made in Japan?If both of these are true, it's a JRPG, nothing else matters
>>721395790>You can't "roleplay" in a video game.If you had a game where the devs went wild with the choices and consequences allowed to the player, I think it should be possible. The constrictions of a gameworld are no different than those put in place by a DM, you just have to loosen them from the standard to get closer to an actual irl DM.
>>721392561Yoshi-P was right
>>721395775That's most classic RPGs though.
>>721392561The only argument that Dark Souls isn't a JRPG is that it doesn't look like anime and it isn't turn based. Both are retarded and not an argument since others JRPGs also don't have anime graphics and aren't turn based
>>721395775That's not true. There are plenty of JRPGs with generics as the MCs that let you select dialogue and offer choice in how you go about adventuring. Most notable would be Etrian Odyssey and Rune Factory.
i've seen this thread before
>>721393627normies are retardsits the same thing with mecha, normies like gurren lagann but dont want to admit they like mecha because thats for icky incels
>>721392561He is right. People who don't understand that don't get how china can come from a local craftsman or danish from the local bakery.
>>721392561this guy is retarded
>>721392561Pokemon is literally SMT but for children(not in a bad way, unironically for children)
>>721395961"Looks like anime" is also a retarded stipulation since all anime look different anyway
>>721395497not as bad as roguelike
>>721393228and nobody cares, not even the japanese care. only internet spergs that care more about gay political wars cry about this shit
>>721396019Who the fuck says gurren lagann is not a mech show? It's just not a "real robot" (I think that's what it's called) show, but that's a distinction that has existed for decades.
I would definitely recommend Dragon Quest to someone who likes Pokemon
>>721393627Retards who don't want to admit that they like weebshit, and somehow their particular flavor of Jap content is different than the other ones because it's more popular
>>721394473hardly even western aesthetic, it's anime aesthetic with a western fantasy theme
>>721392561>WOULD YOU RECOMMEND TEMTEMNo one would recommend they/them desu
>>721396058There's a lot of commonalities between most anime artstyles, even if they are different from one another
>>721392561I definitely would never recommend They/Them to anyone. Also JRPG only means RPG made in Japan, which definitely describes Pokémon. Pokémon, Final Fantasy, Chrono Trigger, Xenoblade, Kingdom Hearts and Dark Souls are all JRPGs, even though they vary greatly in gameplay from one-another. Hell, modern FF and old school FF are ALSO wildly different in gameplay, yet every mainline FF is a JRPG."PokémonChallenges" more like "PokémonChallenged".
>>721395775>are that JRPGs aren’t RPGs
>>721395775>You don’t make any choices or roleplay at allYou cant roleplay in WRPGs either>BUT THERES OPTIONS IN BG3I cant recruit the snake druid, I cant recruit goblins.Theres no choice but the illusion of choice to go on their linear railroaded campaign
>>721395961Dark souls ripped its whole aesthetic from berserk
>>721396081At least with "roguelike" there's a generally agreed upon set of mechanics that can be gleaned from the phrase (a game mechanically *like* rogue). Obviously the term doesn't make a whole lot of sense to people who aren't entrenched in vidya culture, but roguelikes are a genre that you won't catch normalfags playing too much so it's fine.Can't really say the same about "rpg" though; I've seen more threads full of people arguing what defines an rpg than any other genre in the medium. "Role playing" is such a nebulous concept that it could be argued to apply to almost any game in existence, so the entire conversation boils down into semantics about what a video game "role" is, and even then there's always some exception.I's say the only other genre descriptor that comes close is "action adventure."
Games can be from the same genre but target different demographics, like pokemon is made with children in mind and SMT is made with wannabe philosophers in mind. Just how there's bloody fighting games and cute fighting games
>>721395320>>721395397Wrong.
>>721395502>I can make choices in the form of "I'll now go to city X", "I'll head east and use surf to cross this water" that affect the diegetic freeform ´story´ formed in this playthrough.Absurd levels of cope.
>>721393627Same reason people say they read "graphic novels" instead of "comics".
>>721396541Which itself is bullshit since 99% of widely considered roguelikes are NOTHING like rogue.
>Pro NuzlockersReally? Where do they compete at?
>Pro NuzlockersYou could just say 'huge fag' and save yourself some characters.Anyway, Pokemon is absolutely a JRPG but only gens 2, 3, and 5 really lean into it. A lot of the storyline beats that aren't related to your league challenge in those games are very in keeping with JRPG story conventions with gen 2 being 'early game' JRPG story (bandits and shit attacking towns) and Gen 5 being 'late game' JRPG story where you are taking down a destined nemesis to save the world.you could make arguments that Gen 7 had some aspects of JRPG plotting, in particular with Team Skull and Lusamine's story but I don't necessarily think it's as strong an example as 2,3 and 5.Also, does this nigger think SMT isn't a JRPG?
>>721395525>It's not a style or genreWrong.
>>721394239What choices change the story and its outcome in DQ(1)?
>>721396727If it isn't Japanese, its not a JRPG.
>>721396752i choose to be buddies with the dragon lord and sit next to him all day and hang out
>>721392561https://x.com/pChalTV/status/1580358992173600768he posted this 3 years ago btw
>>721392561I'd hit them with a shoe and recommend DQM
>>721396019It's also because most other mecha aren't as easy to digest. Gundam got lucky that Wing, G and Seed aired when they did. Most of the other series were never really as popular in the West outside of maybe 08th MS team. The rest of the series are either too long or the tropes aren't as approachable for normal people.
>>721392561>Pro Nuzlockers
>>721396821Correct, but it also needs to be FNIAR.
>>721395932JRPG is a genre.Defining it as "an RPG from Japan" is meaningless retard shit that nobody with a three digit IQ would entertain for a minute.
>>721397326It's notThe world isn't divided into "Japan" and "everywhere else", we don't call platformers made in Japan JPlatformers
>>721397326>this word doesn't mean what it means because I'm a faggot pseudo intellectual
>>721397326Things from Japan are not their own genre
>>721397442Japanese RPGs are distinct enough from RPGs from the rest of the world.
>>721392561?I mean, pokemon isn't that different from an older final fantasy. You get into turn based battles where you attack and use items. Otherwise you walk in towns talking/healing and buying items. Monster collectors/battlers are a subgenre of jrpg
>>721397542Bullshit because whenever someone compares DMC and Nu-GoW, GoWfags bring up how they arent the same genre, when they are.
>>721392561Pokemon is more of a rpg than modern FF/trail/whatever action games
>>721397760Bleak but true statement
>>721397736The main difference is how you gain party members.
>>721393627I understand the point you're trying to make, but Wizardry has unironically been a Japanese series longer than it's been a western series at this point, so it feels weird to put it in that list.
JRPG and WRPG as terms worked better in the past, when distinctions were more obvious and localized. Nowadays with games doing whatever they are mostly pointless terms now.
>>721392561I would recommend them Shin Megami Tensei games , this guy is retardedJRPG is the genre Monster catching/handling is the subrenge
>>721397901Every game is open world action with RPG elements
>>721396640t. doesn't know what an RPG isIt's precisely this element of choice. The game presents me with a map-if I were a player, I could ask the DM, "I want to cross this mountain, follow that path, etc." These are choices I make when I choose my role-in this case a Pokemon trainer. A computer RPG cannot do every conceivable option, that a player/DM can account for, that's AI erp territory, therefore the ones it can are converted into a computer RPG.
>>721392561It's a turn-based rpg from japan, of the monster team builder subgenre.Dark Souls is of the Action RPG subgenre.The observation that "jrpg" is too broad in meaning to narrow down recommendations would be true, but the stance that Pokemon isn't in it at all is a buffoonish way of solving that issue.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shoEjIkOkGs>blah blah blah
>>721395465Monster Girls and the Mysterious Adventure 1/2
>Pro nuzlockerthat's fucking pathetic, man
>>721392561I like how nothing is a JRPG to retards like this anymore unless it's a literal turn based FF or DQ clone. I half expect people to say that Persona isn't a JRPG pretty soon.
>>721396658nta but they aren't roguelikes and the problem solely lies with the game rogue legacy deciding it wanted to call itself a roguelike despite being nothing like one and other games realizing they could also just lie about what genre their game is in.it is solely due to a misinformation campaign and now the "roguelite" genre has overtaken, roguelite is the dumbest fucking name for a genre both because of origin and what it is describing, games that are not roguelikes effectively.they should have just stuck to calling their games what they are, platformers.
If your "fighting game" doesn't display frame data and hasn't been verified by The FGC, then it's actually a brawler and NOT a Fighting Game
>>721398185You can not "choose" where to go in Pokemon because you can only unlock things in one specific order.
>>721398594You can in Scarlet/Violet but it's kind of a shit game in any case so I don't think anyone really cares.
>>721398594>you can only unlock things in one specific order.You didn't play the game.
>>721392561Holy shit people have some retarded takes nowadays
>>721398185the people who misunderstand this are the same people who don't understand if you ask them about the story of something and you receive a summary of the plot.they cannot understand that the choices you make with your characters throughout the game, where you go, how you build them, the experiences you (as in you the player) have through them, etc are what shape the story of the game, and while this is not as free form as a tabletop rpg, there is still a very clear difference between the choices you can make vs a game where you are not making choices about things.
>>721398594Gen 1 has a handful of branches in the mid-game where you can take a different sequence. The newest one is open world, and has 3 different storylines you can progress separately(gyms, titan pokemon, enemy team)
>>721395790I play two sessions of TTRPGs per week and I disagree. Roleplaying isn't a binary. In video games you can still make up a role and. play your character accordingly. It's mor restrained but you're implying that no roleplay is possible unde restrictions which is a very twitter/ragebait way of thinking so I hope you're just trolling. Sandbox RPGs like Kenshi, CDDA or starsector work pretty well for roleplaying.
>>721392561>"pro nuzlocker">yeah bro this game made for children with single digit iq is too easy let me add arbitrary rules to have a modicum of challengeWake me up when someone does a solo run
>>721392561Genres and sub-genres are something intuitive that anyone who isn't a subhuman can understand. Of course, gaming has been filled with sub 90 IQ mongoloids and midwits who just follow popular naming conventions like cattle.The term JRPGs is not a real genre anymore. It can be synonymous with the "4-niggas-in-a-row" or "Classic JRPG". But really "JRPG" and "WRPG" are just umbrella terms that you use to preface the actual sub-genre you're about to talk about. Pretty much every single game out nowadays can be categorized as follows:>Genre >Sub-Genre
>>721392561I would recommend final fantasy because temtem is online only ass.
>>721398674It's a not uncommon belief that Scarlet/Violet are one the better designed pokemon games, but that it's assembled and runs like shit.
Every game is an RPGPokemon is a Japanese IPSo yes.
>>721392561Idk what the fuck temtem is but I'd recommend Shin Megami Tensei if they want pokemon but with some challenge which is definitively a JRPG series.
>>721396418Entire Saga Series, and Metal Max series apparently aren't JRPGs.
>>721392561Yes, technically is a jrpg, but a strange one.If you convince a pokefag to play a traditional jrpg, probably will get bored of frustrated.It's the same situation of smash bros with traditional fighting games.
The base genres of like RPG, Action, Adventure, Puzzle, Fighting, Sports, Simulation, Platformer are all pretty useless descriptors on their ownthat's why subgenres, and just describing the game with complete sentences, exist
>>721395629this negro is correct.
>>721399716Genres are retarded. Nobody considers GTA a racing game even though you control vehicles for a good chunk of the gameplay
>>721392561What is it with these people constantly outing themselves as racists who hate everything japanese?
>>721399947People call GTA a sandbox. Which it is. A Open World Sandbox.
>>721392561>retarded niggers still try to claim J and W mean anything more than region>people seriously don't know that JRPG was coined by magazines during a time when word count cost money so writing "role playing game from japan" needed to be cut down
>>721399947I only played SA and it's definitely a racing game in my book>>721400153It's less open world than the 3D mario games. The missions are in a set order
>>721399297I would more or less agree with that if you include general balance and progression under the umbrella of "assembled." It's ambitious, but lacks all of the proper thought and planning to make anything it tried to do work. That said, I have almost zero knowledge of the DLC and I think people kind of decided that was a much better attempt.
>>721400298All of the consoles were from Japan back then so the default was to assume a game was made by japs unless otherwise stated
>>721400471Imagine taking a kids game seriously enough to dissect and analyze it. It's designed to milk allowance money from 10 year olds it's not that deep bro.
>>721392561I'd recommend anyone ANY final fantasy game over Temtem no matter the context
>>721400703I wanted it to be good, honestly. I'm one of the people that still liked Sword/Shield and dumped over 140 hours into it and the DLC. But I really can't stand playing Scarlet/Violet. It has too many problems. Sometimes I just like to turn my brain off and play the silly all ages game, but Scarlet/Violet wasn't it.
>>721392561>would you recommend them final fantasySure, why not?
>>721392801Dark Souls is a 3D CastlevaniaCastlevania has been an arpg series since SotNThey're also both Japanese
>>721394424Tales and Star Ocean and Ys and KH are all JRPGs
>game is an RPG>it is a game from japanyeah....sure it isn't
>>721392561Well technically it is a monster tamer but it does have jrpg combat.
>>721399297Runs like butter on Switch 2. 60fps without drops. I liked S/V but my first experience was with a Switch 2 with that 60fps patch.
>>721392561Do they like the good Pokemon games and not just being a retarded muh living dex slopeater? To be fair they would probably like FFX/X-2 either way because they still have monster collecting
>>721399947GTA is a sim, the same way MGS and MonHun are. It's a bad goyim simulator but a sim nonetheless
JRPG = dragonquestlikesARPG = Yslikes, soulslikes and diablolikesDRPG = wizardrylikesCRPG = baldur'sgatelikesWRPGS = CRPGS and elderscrollikes
JRPG=Game I likeSimple as
>>721402075Naming shit after specific games is unnecessarily restrictive.
>>721402075You forgot SRPG, TRPG, TTRPG, HRPG, ERPG, MMORPG, MORPG, iRPG, and /vrpg/.
>>721392561I'd categorize it as a shit game so if somebody says they like Pokemon, I'd tell them to try out something like Big Rigs or Devil May Cry 2
>>721401396>game is an RPGIt isn't though.
>>721392801Dark Souls is an RPG made in Japan, so it's a JRPG.
>>721393228>JRPG and WRPG are distinctions made by an American media outlet that wanted to sell you more American games. The J and the W truly mean nothing more than Japanese and Western. Any additional meaning you derive is headcanon.This is correct. Anyone who disagrees is a retard who needs to come up with better terms for game genres or a full blown weeb who will NEVER be Japanese.
>>721392561Death to nintentoddlerniggers
>>721395863menuvania
>>721400298so if it has nothing to do with the game itself, why would they ever have to mention it's country of origin?
>>721392561>If someone said "oh man I really like pokemon games" would youturn 360 degrees and walk away, yes
>>721402876Wrong.
Now I see why Trump Admins doesn't want any pregnant female taking Tylenol
>>721392561That faggot is such a massive tool it is unreal. Also yes I would literally recommend a traditional jrpg over temtem
>>721394356westoids can't make something like demons souls even after a decade of cloning and copyingwrpgs are all gay sex and cuckolding simulators>>721394473western aesthetic is tranny flags and niggers
>>721392561Knowing this pathetic German exists legimtimately makes my day worse. Holy fuck I hate him
>>721398594>You can only unlock things in one specific orderOnly up until the SS anne and after the last gym. The entire mid-game is freeform.You can beat blaine before surge . The only requirement to fight blaine is surf (beating koga) which also is only locked behind clearing the pokemon tower to move snorlax.You don't even need to clear celadon game corner to get the sylph scope if you glitch the ghost fight with a pokedoll.
>>721392561No. JRPGs have an emphasis on art, setting, plot, and characters, with roleplaying mechanics taking a backseat, but still being present. In Pokemon, there's art and setting, but there's not really any plot, characters, or roleplaying mechanics. Instead, there's a creature collecting mechanic, unique to the genre, those creatures get leveled up, similar to an RPG, but that's a means to an end, while collecting creatures and becoming the best Pokemon trainer is the goal of the game. In JRPGs, seeing the characters and story unfold is the focus of the game, very different from Pokemon.Pokemon is not a JRPG. The only real similarities between them are being made in Japan, turn based combat, and stats for Pokemon, but the similarities end right there.
>>721407698Pokemon has more lines of dialogue and plot than the original final fantasy game on the NES.Is it a deep, meaningful plot? no. But it's there.Does it take a backseat? Also no. It's minimal because it was a gameboy game originally and space limitations are a thing.
>>721393228JRPG was a slur invented to mock RPGs that came from japan.
Oh, look! It's another "nobody cab agree what RPG means" thread, again. It would be fine if there was some meme material, but everyone just spams the same old tired arguments and bland walls of text. Please, PLEASE, someone post something funny.
>>721407698>Instead, there's a creature collecting mechanic, unique to the genre, those creatures get leveled up, similar to an RPG, but that's a means to an end, while collecting creatures and becoming the best Pokemon trainer is the goal of the game.Pokemon has a story and a final boss, and the majority of player almost definitely consider the game finished when they beat the League Champion, and don't seek to catch em all as a primary goal. This is like saying the real goal of FF7 is to master every materia.
>>721392561>would you recommend them a JRPG or another JRPGWhat a clown.
>>721392561If someone likes pokemon I would literally recommend them to play almost any other jrpg instead, because at least then you'll be getting a game with an actual story and depth thats deeper than pokemons battle system which is basically put the circle block in circle hole braindead.
>>721392561>Nuzlockerlmao who cares
>>721392561People who believe Dark Souls is a JRPG are mongoloids. It is an ARPG. Just because Japan made it and it's an RPG, doesn't make it a JRPG. It doesn't need to originate in Japan to be a JRPG. E33 is a JRPG and it was made in France. JPRGs have certain design elements and that's what makes them JRPGs; that's how genres work, it has nothing to do with their country of origin. The name JRPG comes from the fact that Japan was making a bunch of RPG titles back in the day and they were all in the same vein: 3-4 niggas in a row, turn-based. Turn-based. That's the big one here. Westerners weren't making much of these at the time, so "WRPG" came to be known as the kind of RPGs westerners were making, because they didn't share the same design elements as the RPGs the Japanese were making at the time. That is where the distinction comes from. It just so happened that Japan and the west were the only ones making games at the time. If the west was making all the turn-based niggas in a row games back then, then the term would be different, they'd probably just be called RPGs, or maybe they'd be called TRPGS, who really knows?
>>721402075This but unironically.
>>721392561DQ5 has an entire pokemon-esque monster capture system and released 4 years before pokemon existed.
>>721392561I would recommend them Shin Megami Tensei...
>>721407698There is no emphasis on story or characters in 99.999999% of NES JRPGs including the original Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest.
Japan classification of RPGs is better
>>721410010Fixed your image. Notice how now it makes no difference whether it's western or Japanese? Yeah, that's because that's how genres work.
>>721410328>west on top japan on bottomsounds about right
>poorly written waifuslopjrpg>poorly written waifuslop but the women are uglycrpg
>>721392561What kinda moron doesnt think pokemon is a jrpg?>turn based combat>leveling up increases your stats>random encounters>story about fighting god atleast in gen 4Its just SMT for kids
>>721410375So if your friend enjoyed E33, would you recommend them Dark Souls or would you recommend them FFXIV? I'll make it even easier, your friend only has one arm.
>>721410010>What the west called Japanese RPGs the Japanese call console/light as in simple>What the west called Western RPGs the Japanese call computer/"heavy" as in denseSo >>721393770 & >>721393791were right. And >>721410375 is even here to reinforce it: the only reason to separate them by region like the west does is the idea that Japan is inferior.
>>721397535Nigger there is nothing more pseud than arguing linguistic literalism.>>721397542Correct. The style of game is its own genre.>>721397442That is more evidence for JRPG being a genre and not meaning literally RPGs from Japan. Not less.
>>721410593separating it is important because I can just buy a jrpg and not get hit with tranny propaganda instantly.
>ummm only japs can make jrpgs that's like saying only the french can make french toast. that's retarded
>>721409295Any distinction other than country of origin is objectively wrong and worthless. If it's not made in japan then it's just a turn based rpg not a jrpg.
>>721411289is Wizardry Chronicle a jrpg? Is Etrian Odyssey a jrpg?
>>721395834I played it and enjoyed it. Didn't go for the true ending because it gets grindy as hell. The gameplay is fine for a middle of the road SRPG pokemon spinoff. The biggest issue I had with it is that pokemon only gets 1 move, so you can find yourself needing to rebuild your team in a hurry when your frontline tank evolves into a ranged support.
>>721392561Yes it's a JRPG, this nigga is autistic and has spent too long convincing himself of his own intellect
>>721392561Mainline Pokemon is DEFINITIONALLY a JRPG.It's a turn based RPG with levels, skills/spells and items.That is a JRPG.
doesn't this guy cheat his nuzlockes to avoid "random" deaths
>>721411625Most Nuzlocke content creators cheat these days period.If someone uses rare candies that they hacked into the game to skip grinding, they cheated and didn't actually do a Nuzlocke you did a battle sim where you only battled specifically the trainers you absolutely had to to finish the game.This alone disqualifies like 9/10 Nuzlocke 'content creators'.
>>721411828>can skip all random encounters with wild pokemonDoesn't that defeat the whole purpose of a nuzlocke? Where's the challenge if you only need to engage battle 30 times in your whole playthrough
>>721412315They also look up the enemy's moveset beforehand and calculate what's going to happen every turn knowing the AI programming inside out
All video games are role playing
>>721412380it's more reading a spreadsheet than playing game huh
>>721412315Obviously. But a bunch of retards online have convinced themselves that the only part of a Nuzlocke that actually matters are the Gym/Elite 4/Evil Team battles.They treat it like they're doing a competitive run and research every battle they have to do and everything while skipping every battle that isn't 'mandatory', as if beating the AI wasn't piss-easy enough to begin with.The whole meaning of what a Nuzlocke is has been completely ruined by these faggots because cheating your way through the game makes for 'better content' (as in, ADHD riddled children watching your videos won't get bored at having to watch you grind levels between each gym and you can churn out more slop content due to faster playthroughs thanks to cheating).
>>721412380Then there is no randomness left and defeats the whole purpose of a nuzlocke, that's so fucking gay
>>721411828>>721412380>>721412540https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7HswymqyBMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=348xCaGgfLw
>>721412508Any nuzlocke is easy to overcome by just not bothering with shitty filler mons and overleveling your starter like usual, you have to put even more autistic restrictions on it to ensure you'll eventually lose someone to a critical hit.
>>721397020Pits
>>721392561It's a subgenre in the JRPG genre.It's a monster collecting/raising JRPG. You level up the monsters by gaining EXP in battles. No different from a typical JRPG party. Just it's the party is within the main character's "party."
>>721392801It's technically a JRPG, but it's more a Japanese WRPG.
>>721413058No, it fucking isn't. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Dark Souls has fuck all in common with any Western game. It's certainly nothing like skyrim or a tranny bear fucking cuckoldry simulator they call WRPG.
>>721413058you're calling it a western rpg because the presentation is a non-anime western setting when the gameplay has more in common with zelda and castlevania than it does with crpgs
>>721412706>uses master ball on everythinghow disheartening, if this is what kids are doing these days.
>>721413058
>>721392561I'd unironically recommended them SMT: Nocturne or DQMQ: Joker
>>721392801It isJRPGs are games that allow you to avoid all the actual game skill check parts by grinding. If you use speedhacks to grind resources and stats in dark souls you can beat the game effortlessly. Real action games do not allow you to do that.
>>721410010Lunatic Dawn is a better example of JCRPG than Dark Spire.
>>721394356None of the wrpgs ever made comes close to souls shit. It's obviously a Japanese RPG series from tone, gameplay, and art direction.
>>721392561If you think tomatoes are a fruit you have an extremely poor understanding of how fruit, categories, and language in general work. Ask yourself this: if someone said "oh man I really like tomatoes what are some other fruits that taste similar" would you recommend grapes or apples? Also I'd like you to think about if it would be useful to define durians as a fruit in the same way.
>>721392561Pokemon is a jrpg, Dark Souls isn't
>>721392561Pokemon is a JRPG template kids game. Even Shin Megami Tensei is considered a JRPG.
>>721392801It's a JARPG.
Dark Souls is a Souls likeIt pretty much reinvited its own genre Pokemon is a JRPG
>>721392801>all this coping in the repliesJust hilarious.
>>721396048>>>Pokemon is literally SMT but for children(not in a bad way, unironically for children)SMT:>buffs/debuffs>weaknessesPokemon:>18 types>buffs/debuffs>abilities>entry hazards>terrain>weather>trick room>held items>megas/z-moves/dynamax/tera>singles/doubles/triples/rotationQuiet SMTroon. Pokemon mogs the fuck out of your dogshit series in depth and difficulty, which is why you became irrelevant to some faggy schoolgirl spinoff lol
>>721407982Japs still don't understand what role-playing is, which is why they're losing customers.
>>721395928But action RPGs are a thing. Kingdom Hearts being one of the most mainstream examples of an action JRPG.
>>721392561where's the cutoff? is it at squenix 4 niggas in a line?
>>721392561>>721392801"jrpg" is a pointless term that is not descriptive and is not used for anything we didn't already have terminology to describe prior to "jrpg" and "wrpg" being coined. Terms that were just coined to shill American RPGs of the time while more easily disregarding the competition.
>>721392561It is a JRPG, but it's sperm cell's first JRPG, and any true degrees of depth and complexity exist solely in PVP because the goal is to appease the lowest common denominator in order to maximize sales.
>>721393228That's cool but JRPGs and WRPGs are very distinct from one another nd you're a moron for not being able to tell the difference between the two.
>westroons will pretend their game is "more rpg" because it checked if your charisma is 8 not 7 once or shoved a dice in their face
>>721393228revisionist, people have been happily using the exact distinction I'm referencing for over 2 decades.
Jarpigtrannies play movie "games" and call them Role-Playing games lmao. No wonder your goyslop flops.
>>721418321persona is a wrpg
>>721407982They're called JRPGs because only weebs who are obsessed with Japan are calling them RPGs.
>>721417353Can I get some recommendations for single player text RPGs?
>>721418923There is EraToho.
>>721417353Console style RPGs started with PC-88.
pokemon is a turn-based pal-likedark souls is a 3D hollowlike
>Ummm If YOU think X is Y then I am an extreme faggot and (white noise)
>>721392801It is a JRPGYou have statsand gearJRPGYou loseGET FUCKED
>>721402876so god of war ragnarok is a wrpg.
>>721392561>Pro NuzlockersWhat.
>>721402876Dark Souls isn't an RPG, it's an ARPG.
>>721392561id recommend dragon quest monsterswhat the matter nigger, dragon quest not a jrpg?
>>721392561pro nuzlockers unironically don't know anything about the game other than numbers
>>721422836I want you to reread your post. And if you're capable of shame, feel embarrassed about your post. Because it's fucking stupid.
>>721423001ARPGs and RPGs aren't the same thing
>>721393627i call any game i can level up in an rpg
>>721393627Racism
>>721423025One is a specific type of the other. If it is an ARPG, then it's an RPG. It's right there in the fucking acronym. I didn't think I'd have to point this out to what is ostensibly a grown, literate adult.
>>721392561When I discovered final fantasy I thought it was pokemon but with more characters fighting at once and more fun
>>721394356It's an action JRPG
>>721394424Cthulhu saves the world is a JRPG
>>721423132So you agree with me, they're not the same thing. So you can't call an ARPG a JRPG, that would be a JARPG.
>>721413058Please read Bezerk
>>721392561holy fucking retard kill all e-celebs and twitter screencap posters
>>721393627Because people are pedantic as fuck and like to nitpick definitions until they don't mean anything anymore. Same reasons troons tries to nitpick "woman" into oblivion or the "roguelite don't exist as a genre" crowd. Or the people insisting metroidvania don't exist as a genre because [... absolute retard nitpick...]You're getting people who can convince themselves oxygen is not air, blue isn't a color, female don't exist, Dungeons and Dragon isn't a tabletop roleplaying game, and metroid isn't a metroidvania.JRPGS are a subset of RPGs, usually turn based, usually character driven, usually Japanese, that is almost immediately recognizable by a non-literal autist. Expedition 33 is an obvious non-japanese jrpg. Pokemon is obviously a jprg, though a light one, that spawned itself its own subgenre of jrpgs. It's not rocket science.
>>721394521And look at how the tables have turned, nowadays WRPGs (actual RPGs) sell significantly better where Jarpigs are continuing to be irrelevant.
>>721423858when?bg3 only sold to normalfags because d&d faggotry and the gay ass voice acting
>>721393627Jarpigs are movie games masquerading as RPGs, WRPGs are actual RPGs you can roleplay.
>>721424017wrpgs are ugly and boring as fuck so they lost
>>721424017Wrpgs usually have nothing to bite into. No story. No reason to care.
>>721423964>when?Since Morrowind. No jarpig sold as much as Skyrim or revered as much as BG3.>d&d faggotry and the gay ass voice actingPure cope. Game is popular because it's good and can be played with your peers simultaneously. Also roleplaying, which is hilariously absent in jarpigs.
>>721424151>t. wrpgslopper cope postyou could have just said you were a critical role tranny
>>721424090>>721424143You keep saying this when RPGs end up being more popular and revered by everybody, while jarpigs get more and more irrelevant each passing year.
>>721424189>no rebuttalsWhy are jarpigtroons so bad at coping? Your goyslop is completely irrelevant and barely sells at all lmao. People want real role-playing experience, which is absent in jarpigs.
>>721424229nobody cares about wrpgslop besides journos and d&d redditors who love cape shit did you clap when you saw the gay animal sex option? now THAT is what gayming is all about
>>721424291no one cares about your furry hyper inflation bimbo skyrim play through
>>721424338>still copingThis amount of bitching over being irrelevant is hilarious. Even E33 completely shat on every single Jarpig that was released in the last 2 decades lmao. Keep coping.
>>721424407>e33refer to>nobody cares about wrpgslop besides journos and d&d redditors who love cape shit
>>721424406>no one cares>aside from millions of people who buy and enjoy it
>>721424494Normalcattle aren’t people
>>721392561Why can't jarpigoyslop sell though?
d&d reddit tranny lost now he’s dumping his seethe folder kek
>>721424482E33 is a JRPG made by westerners (and jeets)
>>721424542>tranimetrannies aren't peopleTruth nuke.
>>721424545Nobody respects weebs
>>721424590it’s turnbased but it appeals to journo trannies and wrpgs reddit trannies by having ugly western character designs
>>721392561You made this post as if someone being a "pro nuzlocker" means they know better than the average person what is and what isn't a jrpg.
>>721424656Nobody respects anyone
>>721424545>garbage stories>low-quality cutscenes>braindead "game"""play"">terrible art styleOnly sub 60 IQ mongoloids enjoy this shit.
>>721395775rpgs despite their name have nothing to do with making choices or actually role playing as someone ie make believe its entirely about stats simulating dice rolls for your rolethats itthats the only aspect of role playby your retarded logic ace attorney and 999 are rpgs because you make dialog choices
>>721424613>n-no u>le truky nukey you lost and got raped
>>721417025>>7214170253rd gen berry mixing was more complex than smt
>>721424705>trannies trannies tranniesHoly shit cut your dick off already
>>721424794>tranimetrannies with their jarpigslop got lost and got rapedYeah I know.
>>721424846>NOOO YOU CANT CALL ME A TRANNYtranny meltdown
>>721424846Cut xim some slack. Xhe's just mad that jarpigslop xe's been shilling for months is completely forgotten and flopped.
>>721424742Anyone being weebs that is
>>721424908so true sissy what gooner mods you running in shartrim btw????
>>721424889You see trannies everywhere, I bet you think about them all the time. Who does that unless they secretly love them or want to join them?
Jarpiggers see this and say>wow he's literally me
>>721424978I see I’ve struck a nerveywnbaw
>>721425023Nice projection
>>721424973Truth hurts I know. When E33 completely raped fagluslop I just ended up laughing for 20 minutes straight.
>>721425054cringe troonflection
>>721425016Why do jarpigtrannies love these forced crossdressing segments for their self-insert characters?
>>721425068and then you dilated
>>721425147Only jarpiggers do that fortunately.
>721425208>n-no uI won
>>721392561Pokemon is a game franchise for braindead manchildren, so yes.
>>721425208>>721425249If you were in the same room right now you'd kiss
>721425309>homosexual fantasies I won again
>I wo-ACCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKK
>journoslop article screencapI can’t stop winning
Sales numbers make tranimeslurping jarpigger afraid.
Looks like they tired themselves out, sweet dreams little manchildren.
>>721392561so pokemon, smt and digimon cyber slut are not jrpgs
Why are sales fags so retarded? For fucks sake, sport games and call of duty are on top every yearAt this point having mild sales show the quality instead, because the more normalfags enjoy it, the more likely is it for it to be trash
>>721392561why wouldn't I recommend the turn based FF games? would this retard not tell someone that likes pokemon that maybe they'd like SMT?
>>721392561ragebaiting with bad takes for engagement towards his shit content seems like it's this guys thing huh.Anyway, buy an ad etc etc
>>721423858>And look at how the tables have turnedthe only good WRPG in the last 20 years is bg3, and that's serviceable at best
>>721397234Absolute braindead zoomer
>>721429652Retard.
>>721392561If it isn’t a JRPG, what is it?
>PokemonChallengersOpinion discarded, i hate this fucking literal faggot and his shit takes.
>>721392801JRPG isn't actually a genre. It's simply an RPG made in Japan. There are many other action JRPGs but people don't question those because because they look very Japanese.Dark Souls is Japanese, with a lot of Western influence, and yet still has a ton of Japan in its DNA.
>>721393228so close but so farWhen you say JRPG what you're actually referring to is also an WRPG.JRPG is a term invented up to sell more games because DQ came from Japan, despite being an Ultimalike
>>721424229>popularity is the metric of quality
>>721433292It sells a lot and it gets great reviews from both gamers and journos alike. What else do you want?
>>721433204When people say JRPG they mean fatlus garbage or any anime-styled game with turn based combat
