Competitive StarCraft: Brood War on the 'log.Today is the second day for the round of 8 of Afreeca Starleague Season 20:SnOw (P) vs EffOrt (Z)Will it be snowing today? Korean livestream: https://play.sooplive.co.kr/afstar1English livestream: https://www.sooplive.com/sctvenSpanish livestream: https://www.sooplive.com/sctvespoficialJapanese livestream: https://www.sooplive.com/sctimesLiquipedia page:https://liquipedia.net/starcraft/ASL/20
last thread >>721330836pregame here https://play.sooplive.co.kr/dn2116/287759792
>>721420346?????????????????????????????You're not the usual OP and you're also an hour too early.Matches start in 40 minutes, mate.
>>721420346>on the 'log.kill yourself
NEED CHILLS TASTELESS
feel bad for snow, i feel like he's gonna losethis is his worst match up and effort is quite different from other zerg players
lets see some dark archon shenanigans
>>721422053snow seems to do poorly on the strategy side of things. You see him pick the same strategy as Bisu in a PvP and absolutely destroy with superior micro. But then he makes some really retarded game ending decisions only to somehow extend the game by 20 minutes by amazing micro but never enough to quite get out the win.He's my favourite player due to how absolutely absurd the micro is but he does make the wrong calls a lot.
>>721422315hitlerimissu
>missed JD>missed our boy rax and mini pain
Whats the Snow - Effort split? From last thread seems like most anons are rooting for Snow>>721422053>effort is quite different from other zerg playersthats why I like him
>>721422616>missed JDIt was fucking painful, if you are fan dont watch that one
>>721422687why? dong played well, just made like two mistakes that cost him the games against mini
>>721422636If anyone's going to kill Snow, it's Effort. If you'd asked me yesterday I'd have said I was rooting for Snow, but I kind of want Effort to waste him so the RO4 isn't a blowout with Snow vs Barracks.
we got this alienbros
>>721422687 Yeah that series hurt, man. JD looked crisp early on but Mini just abused every little overstep. That game 2 was especially brutal-felt like JD had it until he decided to take a fight uphill into goons like it was 2009 again. Still, peak Zerg form flashes here and there, just not enough to close it.
>>721422616There were a couple of good games in the Barracks vs Mini set yesterday, but also a lot of cheeses. Mini's soul died on the final game.
>>721422891>Mini's soul died on the final game.FUCK I needed to be there, mini pain is what gets me through life
Stargirls shouldergame is immaculate today, hot damn, bare but obscured by her hair. What a tease.
a few weeks ago i checked the korean stream and there were live translation subtitles, are they gonna do that again? don't care for these english casters.
>>721423019Not a fan of her top, makes her look like she is trying to hide pregnancyBut her warm smile disarms all objections
I do genuinely think BarrackS has a better chance against Effort rather than against SnOw. SnOw's PvT is leagues above the rest, he'll crush BarrackS 4-1 or 4-0.
>>721423215iirc Snow is the best PvT player in the entire world and basically only loses to Flash.
A reminder that they intentionally made every BO8 game into PvT or PvZ, even cheating during the pairings and re-rolling, so that every protoss player is eliminated before the BO4 round. The weakest race can only get into the finals through PvP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nmqs_6CBzcU
...is he doing Hydra bust on a map with such a long walk distance?
>want to play a fun double stargate game>opponent maek hydras
>>721423602with such a long rush distance it's only a 97% win instead of 99%
HE MISSED THE CANONS BEING UNPOWERED
>>721423602It's either that or muta. That's literally like every toss vs zerg game
kek cute idea
lol nice hydra attack retard
We see more and more burrow usage
>use burrow>jump the reaver>instead of just pumping damage pause to think whether you shoot the shuttle or reaver>give the reaver time to kill all your hydras>wtf
LETS GO
>no observerare you kidding me
why is Snow just sitting there with his big army cluster while his bases are bing harrased? why no push?
>jinjin reuploads the truthbomb on overlords being OP>first game in ASL is a drop game
Snow? Melted
>>721424062he keeps losing his obses
mm brobes
Snow do something
Best of 4 group:BarrackseffortsomaLarvaProtoss will never win another championship. The game is completely solved against them.
>>>/vst/
Snow picked Roaring Currents, correct? What do you think was his intended build?
fuck me effort destroyed snow that game.
AIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE
>>721424305lol when vst got made I made an ASl thread and it was immediately deleted.
>>721424314Walk in from the front with dragoon reaver. It would have helped if he doesn't lose every reaver and observer.
Defensive reavers was the play if he was gonna go that route. Two reavers + canons on that right side island would have saved that base from any drops. He should have went storm and dark archons instead though. >>721424350Shuttles and reavers are weak as heck, and Effort knows it so he was constnatly diving on them. 'sair-Reaver was considered too risky a build for years for a reason.
>>721424075kek>Bread? Buttered
>>721424314He definitely intended to just never get storm, only build dragoons, and leave his army sitting around doing nothing
>dude this map is so protoss favored>is actually zerg favored as always
>>721424447map doesn't matter, the game is zerg favored
>finally get a CoDra game>toss loses with it like a retard, ensuring it will never become a popular playstyle
Do they still do balance updates for BW or is it totally stable?
If effort wins this ASL, it will be the last ASL I'm watching.I'm so fucking sick of zerg.
>>721424528last balance patch came out when the towers were still standing
>>721424534>>I'm so fucking sick of zerg.
>>721424534How would you feel about an Effort-Larva final?
Snow's jacket with 0 stars is sad to see
>>721424534don't worry about it
>>721424725>zvz finalskill me
>>721424534I think soma deserves an asl win; effort and larva already have one. but yeah for now I'm tired of zerg winning, would be nice to see a protoss victory
>>721424534maek?
>>721424534at least effort is actually entertaining to watch unlike soulkey who is basically a turtle terran player
>>721424741got plenty of quality groupies
>>721424854>>721424896absolutely disgusting, i wish they'd place normal looking people in those front seats and not these plastic abominations
>>721424970
>>721424896Is StarCraft actually popular with a v e r a g e Korean gfs, or are they just there to be on TV?
>>721424896
>>721425021They're like youtubers or twitch streamers, with good viewerships, so out of their thousands of fans at least 20-50 are gonna show up live for every game. Notice that early R24 often is half empty room, and then they get more crowded as it goes?
>>721425021most of these girls are starcraft streamers themselves
>>721425021Most of these girls are streamers and members of the starcraft university or whatever
>effort has begun to make
>>721425201he's on proper 3 base macro, no dishonesty here
INVISIBLE MAN
CAPED
>>721425290THE DRUGS I TOOK SEEMED TO LIGHT UP MY BRAIN. SUDDENLY I REALISED THE POWER I HELD: THE POWER TO RULE, TO MAKE THE WORLD GROVEL AT MY FEET
Goddamn
a fucking commander invisible man
wow this push is going great for Snow I sure hope he did not forget to make obs
STORMEGG
>>721425464
ggvery well played from snow
i though zerg is supposed to swarm enemies with superior numbers, not protoss
Invisible man won on his own
>>721424528>Do they still do balance updates for BWNo.>is it totally stable?No.
>>721424068Haven't seen the soulkey video yet, burnout? Tired of winning! Trump predicted all this
>>721425753kept playing LoL with camwhores instead of practicing
Coco is cheering for Snow.
>>721425823SoulLOCKED
maek... ling?
>>721425823I feel for soulkey. I watched him IRL and the guy was a charisma void. Even in the short time I met him, he didn't seem like someone interesting at all. And it doesn't seem he can put on an online persona at all.His only value as a streamer is his skill, not his personality. So you either play SC at a very high level, or you get a different job. He'll never be able to be a variety streamer and get views.
>>721425862Coco gives it up for free to old men
O shid here come the brodoss gorsairs :D:D:D:D
BZZT BZZT BZZT GET ZAPPED GET ZAPPED GET ZAPPED
hmmm.. oberlorbs :DDDDDDD
what was Effort trying to achieve in this one? why he kept going in despite the cannons?
F
Snow's winning, bros...
nerf corsair speed holy shit what a broken ass cheesy unit
>>721426026yeah he was complaining that his viewers only wanted to watch him play starcraft
>>721426162>open starcraft stream>no starcrafts-sugoi...
>>721423492They had a rule that players from the same r16 group couldn't end up facing each other that's why they re-rolled.
>>721426141>bald late age boomers love protoss ape gameplay
>>721426125i think he wanted to break the front and cut off corsair and zealot productionand i think he almost had this one, snow just miraculously somehow saved his corsairs with insane micro
Idk why so many people doubted Snow here, even when he lost to Soulkey he gave an hell of a run for it
>>721426293Same mouthbreathers who doubt Light
>>721426384Haha... yeah...
that muta control last game was ass how did this chum beat SoulKey
>thread dead as fuckThis is why you should root for Jaedong
>>721426293Depends if he keeps picking the right builds. Once snow gets and edge is almost certainly game over. The only way to beat snow is to out strategize him. But i've seen him make retarded decisions too many times to believe it's over.
I love korean casters so much.
kek this peeping probe
>already has obs upits over
>>721427006When the hydras saw the probe and didn't attack it I kept thinking>hmmm... drobe....
how many lurkers is this guy losing to a single zealot holy shit bring back soulkey
>effort
he gets F for effort
>didnt cancel forgefuck
>>721425823I'll never get how koreans can have great taste in rts but play such a terrible moba.
MAEK
TOTAL MUTA DEATH
>>721427237riot did really well with marketing LOL to the koreans. korea didnt have a WC3 culture to build on either.
>doesnt target nexusbring back soulkey
how did Snow managed to get contained in this one? overmade cannons?
mmmm drobes
>>721427330its sad they still play that slop though after what riot did to their game. maybe in due time I suppose.
DROBE GENOCIDE
MMMMMMMMM DROBES
>>721427237>>721427330the timing was also unintentionally perfectsc2 just came out so it was a transitionary periodmbcgame and ogn were winding down and eventually closingesports beyond just sc1 were starting to get popular and be fundedlol was THE hot new game during a period when koreans wanted something that wasn't just diet scbw
that was a weird game
Snow seriously looking unbeatable.BarrackS gonna get CRUSHED.
Effortbros not like this..
>effort has good ideas but bad executioncalling it arty is going to say the same thing during cast
>>721427396Contained? He just didn't want to go out until that point.
>>721427549
>>721427396>how did Snow managed to get contained in this one? overmade cannons?he threw away a tonne of zealots to lurkers trying to defend the forge. That gave effort a reasonable chance for a come back.
>effortbro(s)>implyingHe did his job knocking out SK and was meant to die to Rush he just got luckyGET OUT!
>>721427534I remember being a kid when sc2 came out and being massively disapointed with it compared to bw. Can't imagine how bad it was for folks with a fully developed mind.
>snow first scouting everytimeorganizers are feeding him info this is bullshit
Noticing:Terran can't do anything but cheese nowadaysZerg lose like 70 overlords and never defend them and they can't handle DTs and seem to forget any DTs exists, don't even place overlords over basesProtoss can't use corsairs properly and throw them away, if they keep them alive and keep chasing overlords zergs will eventually falterThis post was made by the NOTICING SQUAD
>>721427768SC2 was a huge shitshow. From the start people weren't sure they could even play the game in internet cafes because of the always online thing. Then blizzard was being a bitch with esports, they didn't want to lose SC2 like they lost BW, and strangled the entire scene in the process. And then the game is not that impressive.
>>721427768The amount of astroturfing blizzard did, especially on the teamliquid forums, was insaneANY attempt at organic conversation talking about what was wrong with SC2 was immediately shut down by hordes of people strawmanning your arguments and complaining about how you were killing esports - unironically, this was what they claimed, if you did not give your full support then it was because you just wanted the game to fail
uh oh, he's starting to maek...
>>721423492>he doesn't butter up his zealotsshiggy
....did he just sacrificed 4 hydras for one cannon?
>>721427941noticing:protoss have been retarded for so many years zergs and terrans have lost the ability to play against a toss.
literally the only thing that effort needs to do is 30 hydras before 8 minutes and bust throughhe hasn't done a single serious hydra all ins
CAPEMAN SPOTTED
>doesn't destroy the gasLOW ENERGY, SNOW, VERY LOW ENERGY
>>721428110It's so fucking weird that I want him to just maek
effort is channeling Soulkey turtlezerg
>successfully baited effort into making 20 sunkens while snow gets 5 basesLMAO
>gets told what the most op unit is>doesn't protect ithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lkn4m7Ytw4what was effort thinking?
>>721428393>protoss on more bases than zerggrim timesat least wigglybois might give him a shot
I like the inverse hg trench on this map.
>>721428393make that 6
>make cannons in exp>lurker drops no longer workA REVOLUTION OF PROTOSS TACTICS
I can't remember the last time I saw Archons built.
low effort
>>721428579It happens a lot in PvZ because they can make high templars useful again instead of waiting for their mana to come back
it's over effortbros
>>721428579it's okay against ling/defiler
this is just a skill canyonsnow massively outplayed effort this entire series
effort's been at 160 supply for the past 5 minutes despite floating 3k mineralscommited to not building an extra hatchery at any cost
>mogged in sc>mogged irlunlucky
>>721428110Hydra all ins don't work if the toss sniffs it out, you have to trick them into thinking you're doing something elseOr the toss has to trick himself
>>721428791>Hydra all ins don't work if the toss sniffs it out, you have to trick them into thinking you're doing something elsethis is such absolute bullshit
>>721428579if you have a 0/250 HT its better to just make an archon and get fresh HTs.
If effort clutches this game it'll be amazing
jesus these storms dont fucking miss snow is godly
fuck now I want to reinstall and see how high I can get my apm in the campaign after not playing for years.
>effortI guess he has a public humiliation fetish
POWER OVERWHELMING
>I know, I'll sack my army to kill eight cannons again
>5000 minerals and 3500 gas
>these upgrades>these kills
>>721429046archons inherit HT kills IIRC
Snow is the god of thunder and storm
>>721429046>protoss remembers that shield upgrades exist>winrate increases drastically in lategame pvzso this....is the power....of using more than 5% of your protossbrain....
>>721428887Snow could make carriers if he wants
These storms god damn
The protoss missions are one of the most painfully boring stages of any RTS
good games today
late game P is too good vs Z. 3-3-3, reavers, canons, storm. No base can be broken.
So many good storms in one game snow makes it look so easy
Poor effort
>>721428846Try it on ladder at any decent rank and you'll see
>>721429225of course missions are boring if you're playing an overpowered race
>>721429225maybe that's why I don't remember them then...>>721429253That's why it's over if toss control the map early.
>>721429283it's more like the zerg made zero effort trying to dodge storms and pull hydras out of it
Next Week>SOMA v BEST>BISU v LARVAHeart? Mind?For me I expect soma and larva, but I'd like for Bisu to make it throughFuck best though
Kino last game, 1 good game per night is all I ask, so I'm pretty happyRIP Barracks in the RO4
>>721429253soulkey wood have won
>snow v soma finals>soma winssnows pain might reach mini levels
>>721428846we literally saw that in ro16>maek hydra :DDDDD I'm gonna boooooost :)))>toss makes actual units>zerg dies
I wanted to see more games but kinda glad to see Snow win. Could be his season
>>721429356too busy playing LOL to be useful>>721429335I like. larva, bisu, rax, snowlarva is the memesterbisu because an old guy is allowed one more gorax because he's /ourguy/snow because he's good and should be rewarded with a win
SHOULDERS HOULDERS
Why is the presenter always giga smiling and happy for Snow, he's definitely her favorite
>>721429335I love Soma and Best being in a pair together because they both tend to choke this late into a tournament. I think Soma's got the edge but that's probably going to be a close setI think Larva's going to stomp Bisu, but Bisu vs Best would be kino in the RO4 so I hope he wins.
why didn't snow just make 20 scouts?
>>721429532not bgh minded enough
Remember when Bisu used to own Larva every game? Larva studied Bisu for over a year and countered his play with pure preparation. I wonder whether Larva still has his number, or whether Bisu has evolved enough.
>>721429479he cute
>>721429532Too honourable, op scouts are banned by gentleman's agreement
>>721429335heart: protossmind: zerg>Fuck best thoughwhy? you don't like double dark archons in pvz?
>>721429479Height
>>721429532One day we'll see him again.
>>721429572>>721429602could scout actually be viable in a very late game when you have a billion ressources?
Those pants are really unflattering
>>721429479Snow seems like a good guy, I think everyone likes him
>>721429648why would you make scouts when you can just make 12 sairs and delete all t he overlords on the map
>>721429648I want to believe, but they are practically as expensive as carriers
>>721429602Why did he kill Artosis with 200/200 Scouts then?
>>721429647>made twice (2) in all of ASL history>both times it was game deciding and memorablename a better unit
>>721429648gods no, a full control group of scouts costs 3300 minerals and 1500 gas, plus the mandatory 200/200 for speed and some air upgrades beyond the +1 atk to make it useful, which requires fleet beacontheoretically if you could ever make it to 24 scouts you could kill nearly anything, except that defilers will ruin you in zvp and emp + goliaths will shred you in tvp
>>721429759he needed to go all out, just this once
>>721429789Which map was it that was very weird and zerg had a seemingly invincible build which was countered by building scouts?
See you next week
>>721429759Equinsu Ocha deserve what he get for playing shittu no honour terran race
>>721429309>>721429317You dont understand, i had to go through them on the n64 20 years ago.
>larva beats bisu>larva flukes out soma>larva beats snow
>>721429891soma > bestbisu > larvasnow > barrackssoma > bisusoma > snow
>>721429881?
>>721430036best robbari map
>>721430036>islands
>>721429479she smiles at anyone
>>721430123even me?
>>721420346>sc1 outlasted sc2>sc3 neversad
