>here's a map 32X bigger with auto generated quests!didn we just leave that Starfield party? quality before quantity Todd.
>>721430223>DiverseEveryone is the exact same height. Male and female have the same bone structure. Most people have the same set of thoughts.The universe is the most plain thing created in videogames.No wonder the game is complete shit. The lead writer is a leftist globohomo.
I'll believe in you, once last time Todd.
>>721430068I just don't believe they are actually capable of making the game that would live up to expectations. All the recent games were shit and they can't get away with "endearingly jank" again. They burned that goodwill
>>721431625Same. It’s probably going to be shit, but I’m going to put my trust in him
>>721431445YES BUT MY GREY IS MORE GREY THAN YOUR GREY, AND MY BLOB MUCH MORE BLOBBY
>>721432024Yes, yes I did read that in his voice
>gamebryoHahaha>GAMEBRYOROFLno spears no buy. No ladders, no buy.>We took gamebryo and modified it so its the creation engine now.Its gamebryo, Todd.
>>721431445That's right, and they also want you dead. Do not buy TES6
>>721430068>"It's the culmination of everything we've learned over the existence of Bethesda. A game we always wanted to make. A world *I* always dreamed about ever since I played Ultima on my dad's Apple computer for the first time. Let me take you on a journey to Tamriel. One last time." >screen fades to black>WORLD PREMIERE>epic drums start playingI'm ready.
Duke Nukem Forever development cycle
>>721432201It's not gamebryo. The gamebryo engineers themselves said there is practically no gamebryo code in CE.>Muh laddersWhat exactly would that add to the game?
>>721430223And no awareness of the correlation between that, and the objective quality of the game.
>>721433430He wants to look at his lady characters ass instead of playing the game like all zoomers
>>721430068has there been news?this picture is from 2023
There will only be one town and one city in the game, and you will have to rebuild the others because dragons destroyed them all similar to Fallout 4, so Bethesda doesn't have to do much work. Screencap this.
>>721433587Don't need ladders for that, considering the series has a TPS camera
>>721433430>its not gamebryo>look at hexcode>its still has gamebryo riddled all in itlol. lmao evenyou can't hide incompetence
>>721434129No I don't think I will
>>721433430Which is why it still uses the netimmerse (gamebryo) model format, right?
>>721430223Damn....Guess I'm gonna have to install a lot of LGBTQP+ content removal mods then.
Todd. Pls. I aint buying skyrim for 31 time.
>>721433152>we’ve All people who put the soul into 1998-2011 are long gone
>See that mountain? you can smell it now
How to make a good TES game: >make the map small>make the map extremely dense with interesting things to find >do a version of the A-Life from STALKER and create a virtual fantasy ecosystem of mythical creatures going about their daily lives>dont bother with gay shit like raytracing, just focus entirely on making the actual game as fun and engaging as possible>give the weapons accurate physics >let the magic system do incredible things like accidentally igniting a forest fire or freezing a lake Basically dont bother with graphics humping and put all the dev time into what actually matters, that being the ways you can interact with the world Oh and write some gay story that everyone will just ignore
>>721434983>PWhat's that meant to stand for?
>>721435854Just make skyrim again with better combat and writing, and you make gajillions
>>721430068I have prepared my body for the inevitable disappointment. May god be with us all.
>>721436261You know Todd is going blow it focusing on some new bullshit feature, probably ai or proc genHe should’ve just pulled a Miyazaki years ago and released the same game with marginal improvements
>>721434363>>721434563I'm just going off of what a gamebryo dev said
>we rewrote the renderer
>>721435854>make the map small>make the map extremely dense with interesting things to find'Tainted Grail: Fall of Avalon' does this. It's more dense than Natsuru.
>>721435854>make the map smallNo, you've already lost me. The journey is half the fun in these games, paired with survival mods and Soule's soundtrack, I sometimes wish Skyrim was bigger.
>>721437715Look at Just Cause 2 and Just Cause 3 if you want proof that bigger map doesnt translate into better game. It's better to have interesting shit behind every corner than wide open areas with jack shit in it
>>721436225poopoo in peepee
>>721440192Those games are nothing like TES. They're power fantasy games where you go fast and blow shit up.
>>721430223then why do bethfags keep telling me that starfield is a white man's game made entirely by white boomers for their fellow white boomers and the only people who hate it are celeb-worshipping zoomers and coloreds
>>721440456>(You)
>721441189>Games where you fly around in jets, glide with a wing suit and blow up large structures is the same as TES. Such low quality bait isn't even worth a (You).
>>721430068As a company goes mainstream and becomes more successful, the members of the original team leave and the company is less likely to be able to reproduce the product that the original team created.
>>721430223>diversity is the indicator and determinator of qualityLove this myth!
>>721430068BG3 > modern Elders Scrolls Bethesda goy slop
>>721430068>aw shit here we go again.png
>>721442434The best indicators of a game being good is the creator being White/Asian and more importantly - autistic.
>>721442324Skyrim was already a watered down experience when it came out though, that's why it was successful. The main problem now is that the things that made a game successful in 2011 aren't the same things that make a game in the 2020's, as you can see with starfield. If bethesda are smart, they'll hire some solid writers and really go all in on the quest design and player impact. That way they can get away with their shitty graphics and floaty combat.
>>721442468dog poop > turn based combat
>>721430068Imagine still listening to this grifter cunt.
>>721442667Man, I'd hate to find out what that says about low skill, brainless direct player input garbage.
>>721430068when will they ever stop using their dogshit engine?
>>721442667Ah a brainlet I see. I bet chess would be hard to grasp for you.
>>721435854>make the map smallno
>>721442864Why not?
>>721430068No.>>721430223Everyone is exactly the same though.
>>721435854So the opposite of a Bethesda game?
>>721442864Wide as an ocean deep as a puddle. Anon is correct, a smaller densely packed map with well crafter dungeons/towns/forests/mountains etc is inarguably superior to what they shit out with starfield and to some degree fallout 4 and skyrim. Especially with their assbackwards directive of >players can build the map for us>and we'll get away with it
>>721442434In a sense, it is.
>>721442912because skyrim is already tiny and dense. fallout 4 is tiny. the biggest complaints i have about these games are their maps. the worlds aren't believably sized when you can cross an entire province in less than an in-game day. you can scale the map up and still have it be dense>>721443093you don't understand why it's a problem in starfield. it's not shit because maps are too big. it's shit because there's fuck all in them, each play area is about the size of skyrim in starfield and it's still shit. >well crafter dungeons/towns/forests/mountainshow do you cram well crafted forests and mountains into a map smaller than skyrim which couldn't even manage it?
>>721443093It's 200+ years into the fallout setting. Give me a fucking city with people commuting and travelling the territories with their highwayman to the next functioning city. Todd you absolute nothing dingleberry.
>>721443759No, I understand perfectly fine. And I am correct in all of my assessments of bethesda's lackluster D tier, and overly overcompensated creative team.
>>721443759>you can scale the map up and still have it be denseBethesda can't
>>721443931well if the argument is that it'd be better than starfield then sure i can't really argue that. todd could shit in a bucket and it'd have more interesting stuff to find and do than starfield has>>721444000they did it for fo76. the map is the only redeemable feature in that game
>>721444000who can?
>>721430068How to make Skyrim 2 a guaranteed success* Extremely easy to mod* Strong sandbox elements* Decent combat* Interesting settingOptional* Decent story* Dense map with lots of things to do
>>721444286In this day and age? Probably no one.
>>721444421Todd is too committed to actioninizing and regressing the skills system to implement good gameplay.
>>721444421In other words, they just have to make the game good for it to succeed?
>>721430068TES VI is going to have to be nothing short of exceptional or it may kill bethesda
>>721444680It doesn't have to be "good", just good enough
>>721443835The DESIGN DIRECTOR can't imagine a setting changing over time.
Something they must not forget to include if they want it to succeed is the console command that allows to freeze time and the console command that allows to freeze an npc.If they could go even further and add some system to make you pose characters like in the Sims 4 wickedwhims that would be even better.Reminder that if Skyrim is still so popular 15 years later it's as a porn screenshots sandbox, not as a game.
>>721444680The base game doesn't have to be good, just potentially good with mods
>>721444891Which is a high bar for bethesda to reach these days
>>721445139people don't want to mod shitty games anon
>>721444492And in the past?
>>721445594Creating something large scale that's still dense? Probably your mom.
>>721430068and again, it just works.
>>721445827Kek
>>721445139Ha ha yes, just like Starfield am I right?
>>721445332>>721446005Skyrim is shit
>>721434363Show me the hex. I've got do dog in this fight, just interested how this works.
>>721445827That doesn't make any sense.
>>721444286>>721445594They've had plenty of time to do it. It's easy. Draw your map and mark down any major landmarks on it. Draw a grid on your empty map that divides it into tiny sections. Hire a ton of map artists that work solely on that and assign a section to each. It's done. See how easy that was Bethesda?
>>721446156And thus you proved the "dense" part correct.
>>721446182Hey now that's game design, buddy. Bethesda doesn't do game design.
>>721446182That doesn't answer my question at all.>>721446262Pathetic attempt at humour.
>>721430068Studio will be closed after tes6 flop release, one last bumpy ride for todd.
>>721446182Nigga Heil Hitler Memorial Kanye West Statue is now next to a great pyramid filled with gay starfield dancers.If they did that, you expect anyone competent to review it for cohesion? The managers are too woke and/or cowardly to say no to their tranny employees and obviously let them run with every shit idea that pops into their head.
>>721430068And 32 times less actual stuff in the game.At this point the series is just an engin for influencers to farm content-slop.
>>721446751Sadly TES6 will likely sell well despite Todd having streamlined the product into a 4 minute video with no player input (which won't work).
>>721436758I have zero faith in bethesda, I was just talking in theory. Todd can't do anything worth anyone's money
>>721444286I've done some modding here and there and I could've easily created, at a very comfortable pace, a very dense map that is at least four times the size of Skyrim in the amount of time it took Bethesda to release Skyrim after the release of Oblivion, especially if it was my full time job.Am I a genius? Am I extraordinarily industrious? Am I somehow special? No. It's just that videogame companies these days are full of incompetent lazy hires. "Videogame" companies these days are financial entities with the purpose of financial speculation that just happen to make videogames as a byproduct.
>>721449175I highly doubt you could've, considering how long it takes people to make large scale mods.
>>721449758Large scale mods aren't just maps though. And keep in mind those guys are doing it in their spare time, that means sometimes they can only work on the mod a few hours a week. I would be working on it at least 40 hours a week if it was my full time job.
>>721430068>thousands of unique islands
>>721450029The "dense" part is the content, not just plopping down structures in the world with nothing to do in them or no story/context to enrich them. Good luck navmeshing the map too.
>>721430223who cares how diverse is the team if the product is a bland piece of shit
>>721450391>”boat” building >”colony” building>”mod” shop
>>721450554How poorly that aged, virtual signaling for unlimited dei blackrock bucks basically collapsed that summer Now he’ll have to actually release a good game, I’m sure he’s got this guys HAHAHAHABA
>>721448798nta I wouldn't count on that. TES is in the same boat as GTA - they're relics of a previous generation of gamers. Unless TES6 is some sandbox cloud-based game with a dozen hooks into social media that runs on a tablet, there's plenty room for it to flop. For a close parallel, see Dragon Age. They were building a mobile game and probably wanted to do F2P+MTX. They scapped that and went with a PC-first vision and even removed all DRM and still couldn't get the game to take.
It just needs ambiance
>>721450393In Skyrim the density corresponds mostly to:Forts, bandit camps, word walls, interesting landmarks, towns and dungeons. The map artist can contribute to 3 of those at a minimum.
>>721452375Are you serious? Elden Ring (2022), Baldur's Gate 3 (2023), 2024 was kind of shit, I don't remember what games people liked, and 2025 has E33 and Silksong. These are all normal video games with no external garbage or cloud-based shit, what are you smoking?
>>721437715Go play gothic1/2/archolos and you will see a map 20 times smaller than Skyrim and yet having same amount of content, meaning you waste less time walking to objective, once you experience that you can never go back
>>721430068>our development team in india with 200 million employees is working day and night to produce this very first AAAAAAAA game
>>721430068SHUT THE FUCK UP MIDGET!!!
>>721452662And you have to filled those places with things, so that's>Writing>Navmeshing>Voice acting>Encounter design>Books>Environmental story telling>Lighting>Optimisation so the game doesn't crash the second you load into a huge cell. And this is assuming you are just using pre-made assets courtesy of Skyrim.Again, people have spent a decade working on a Morrowind and Oblivion Remake in Skyrim. Yet you think somehow think you can make a world 4x the size of Skyrim, that is also dense, all by yourself?>The map artist can contribute to 3 of those at a minimum.Pretty sure that's what they did in Skyrim, had other departments help flesh out the world. I remember in one of the documentary they talked about anyone in the studio was able to submit a quest and if it was good enough they added it to the game.
>>721453184I've already played Gothic1/2, I enjoyed them. I don't want TES to feel like Gothic.Nothing in Gothic evokes the feeling of exiting a cave at night, looking up at the aurora borealis and hearing thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqkQRgGdAPo
>>721453718Did you even read my original post? I said I could've created a MAP bigger than Skyrim in the time it took to release Skyrim after Oblivion. Could I have done it if I was working on it 40 hours a week? Yes, I could have.
>>721454729>a very dense map that is at least four times the size of SkyrimIs what you said, and who couldn't? Making a landscape and plopping down shit is the easiest fucking thing to do. Even I did it for fun in the Creation Kit. Actually populating it with good content, i.e making it dense, is the hard part.
>>721430068>32 times the detailin the cum-inflation by bestiality mods too, I hope
>>721455124>a very dense map that is at least four times the size of Skyrim is what you said, and who couldn't?Glad we agree on that.
No Jeremy Soule = No soul
>>721443053Pretty much yeah. If they could get their head out of their ass on some of their old ways and keep the core magical exploration intact it would be a great game
>>721444421A dense map with things to do is not optional. It's what has allowed Skyrim to be played for over a decade. There should always be something of interest just over the next hill
>>721456174I didn't think you were boasting about something so simple.
>>721430223If you force diversity just for the sake of it and cultivate a snowflake "safe space" mentality... its not diversity anymore. Clown world, when will it end. And im not even a conservative, im a bisexual degenerate saying this.
>>721435854It's simple, you get jeremy soule to do the music. Oh wait.
>>721457109You must've missed the part where I mentioned I wasn't trying to make it seem like I was anything special.
>>721458401>Am I a genius? Am I extraordinarily industrious? Am I somehow special? No. It's just that videogame companies these days are full of incompetent lazy hires. "Videogame" companies these days are financial entities with the purpose of financial speculation that just happen to make videogames as a byproduct.
>>721433152>A world *I* always dreamed about But Todd, wasn't that Starfield?
>>721436261This anon knows what's up. People will say Morrowind 2, but realistically 90% of people would be delighted with a Skyrim 2. It's sad how we can't even be sure of Bethesda being able to reach their 2011 levels of quality
>>721430068Enough with the brown leather already, Jesus Todd. Everyone knows light blue and brown don't mix you should be wearing navy blue AT BEST
>>721436758Reminder New Vegas' dev team Avellone included could've made a Skyrim spin-off and Bethesda said 'no'
>>721430223this reads like someone is holding his family at gunpoint
microsoft/woke devs not going to make fantasy racism simulator.
>>721459597Is it the same obsidian that made outer worlds ? Anything theyve done after NV was dogshit
>>721459395I know the indutry is filled with cheap fucks, but one would imagine Bethesda could muster up enough money to hire some decent talent for TES6.
>>721444421>a map with things to do being more optional than decent combat Hint: people that still love and play Morrowind and Skyrim don't do it because they have strong combat
>>721458821
>>721444937>it's as a porn screenshots sandboxYou've spent too much time on /vg/, retard
>>721430223my hopes and dreams for TES6 are under Mariana Trench
I'm most interested in what the new "gimmick" will be. Wouldn't surprise me if Bethesda tried to put a LLM in the game to give some NPC's "endless" dialogue. It's been one of the more popular mods as of recent, and with Microsoft having their back, I wouldn't be shocked if they tried some stupid bullshit like that.
>>721458821Exactly. I mentioned 3 (three) times that I wasn't anything special.
>>721444937Most games have photo modes these days, buddy
>>721430223that explains why it was so ugly and dogshit
>>721460470>I'm just an ordinary guy, but I can do [Thing] better than the professionalsIn what world is that not boasting?
>>721459959What part of "New Vegas' dev team" made you think I was talking about Obsidian post-2014?
>>721446150hex code for money in morrowind: 0000000fhex code for money in starfield: 0000000f
>>721460416It's probably just going to be ocean exploration and ship combat in the Iliac Bay
>>721460746Professionals are the reason why games are the way they are today
>>721460416I'll go balls out if it's VR. Skyrim VR is one of the better VR games and an actual from-the-ground-up VR TES would get to me to drop thousands of dollars on gear to play it. MS also has the Hololens project so it's not impossible, but I'm not expecting it, either. AI bullshit seems the most likely.
>>721459597>and Bethesda said 'no'I'd say this supports the theory of Todd being mad at F:NV being a better game than F3. New Vegas sold almost as much as Fallout 3, while having a much lower budget and development time. Pretty retarded to not let them make more.
>>721460746I'm just an ordinary guy that would get more work done than they did if I was putting in 40 hours of work a week. Because Bethesda employees are extremely lazy. Case in point: Fallout 76, Starfield.
>>721459959No, the same Obsidian that made Nev Vegas, you monkey. Read.>ds ? AnIdiot.
>>721460839So the memory location for money is the same. Is there anything else?
>>721444421>* Extremely easy to modI'm sure the thing 95% of your audience don't give a fuck about is the first thing you should mention.
>>721460931But that won't turn any heads. Bethesda knows they gotta pull out the big guns if TES6 is going to be a hit, and some half assed ship combat won't do that. Just look at how people reacted to Starfield's "over a thousand planets" bullshit. Even before the game launched, people already knew it was going to be shit.
>>721446751>tes6 flopI feel like they still have enough normalfag goodwill to successfully sell another turd. Even though Starfield fell off way harder than I would ever have expected.
>>721432201>shitposter who doesn't play games doesn't know ladders are already in the engine
>>721443093Oh look, it's that phrase again.
>>721461331Their biggest issue now is that Skyrim is becoming so old that the people who grew up with it are getting too old to care, and there's a whole generation of teens who's got no real relationship to the series. They've got nothing to market it with towards zoomers. First person fantasy game? Already got hundreds of those. Good graphics? Not happening. A gripping story? Lmao, as if. They've got nothing but the name of the Franchise, and the people who grew up with that franchise are getting too old to give a shit.
>>721461060>let obsidian make a game for an IP you didn't make, but acquired>don't let them make a game for your baby, your homegrown IP>THIS SUPPORTS MY SCHIZO THEORY THAT THE DEVS THEEMSELVES DISPUTE
>>721461545Would you not describe a circle as round?
>>721461879>they hate money and care way more about owning their IPMakes sense for the company who sold out to Microsoft. Thank you for your sane take
>>721460995Indies and mods aren't much better.>>721461102You'd be wasting your time like an idiot if you can't actually fill the map with content.
>>721462626just take the L lil bro
>>721462764What L? You boasted about being able to do something any retard with UE5 installed can do. Yet you were too stupid to realise that you actually have to put shit to do in the map.
>>721462883Just put the fries in your ass bro
>>721462883I'm NTA. I can't believe you are defending Bethesda, lol. Everyone can attest to their incompetence and laziness. And now they can attest to your stupidity too, kek.
>>721430068I never thought I'd say this but I don't give a fuck, Itl probably be terrible
>>721430068Before I retire please
gamebryo just needs to goit's stiff as fuck and everyone looks like a dead-eyed wax doll. animation are stiff and just cycle in a clunky manner. everything in the setting looks like it's made out of dough or gingerbreadthis kind of aesthetic works somewhat when the game has an endearing jank to it, but we've moved past that and there's no excuse for characters moving around like it's vrchat
Hard to get excited for something when its missing Soule.
>>721463089Thanks for proving that you're a retard.>>721463357Are you really this illiterate that you think I'm defending Bethesda? Holy shit, the average IQ in this thread must be rock bottom.
>>721463669NOO SAAAAR BETHESDA IS TOP GAMEDEV HIGH IQ SUPER POWERLmao, you're a retard.
>>721461879>"they didn't do it because Todd cares *too much* about TES, it's his baby, he wouldn't want someone else to make a bad game set in his world!">releases Legends>releases Blades>releases Castles
>>721462514NTA but you don't understand what it means to sell your company to another as large as MS. It's basically an investor pitch to an investor with infinite money. It's not that they hate money. It's that they know that if they agree to sell they'll have shitloads of money to do whatever they want. It's only after the first few unambiguous failures that the subsidiary loses independence (like Bungie is experiencing now). Those first years post merger are literally heaven for a developer. Probably why Beth made Starfield. They're baiting MS with TES6 to get money for whatever else they want to do. It will eventually fall apart, but by then Todd and everyone else with any sense will be gone, and all MS will have is yet another dead IP for their graveyard.
>>721431087>Skyrim>"Its all in this note">Open it>Go to %location name% to (kill boss npc OR loot chest in the last room)SOUL>Starfield>Does basically the same shitSOULLESS
>>721463929>Illiterate retardHow did you manage to twist shitting on a retard to defending Bethesda. Are you two dating or something?
>>721464235you are an illiterate monkey fucking retard who can't read defending bgs lmfao
>>721431445Thinking Emil has any serious beliefs is giving him too much credit. He's Todd's childhood friend who climbed up the ladder via nepotism and is now at a position that he's hilarious too underqualified and untalented to occupy. Hence he's overcompensating with corpospeak to secure his role.
>>721459597They did my boy Avellone dirty
>>721464402And where did I defend BGS you retard? Go ahead, point it out.
>>721461259I don't know, people have wanted a new pirate game since Black Flags. No, Ubisoft's new AAAA masterpiece didn't count.
>>721463972>partner with Microsoft in 2001 for an Xbox port of your game>immediately water down your IP the next year with an RPG built from the ground up as a LotR trend chaser on shit console hardware to reach a casual audienceI don't think you understand your Toddsoft history anon, Microsoft had Beth by the dick before Morrowind even released.
>accept quest>leave room>loading >walk hallways>loading >reach port>loading >enter spaceship>loading >leave port>loading >pick planet>loading>land in port >loading >leave spaceship>loading >hallway>loading>leave station>loadingEven I got tired of yellow texting this shit
>>721464821>Acting as if the watering down didn't begin with Morrowind
>>721430223What blackmail does Emil have on people at Bethesda/Zenimax that he's still employed as one of the shittiest writers of all time?
>>721465074>oh no I can no longer aimlessly wander around procgen slop worlddaggerfall autists are the worst
>>721444421>How to make a good game:>Make a good gameAnon...
>>721464821A partner is like a bitch tier, "associate" of a company. I'd guess Bethesda got dev kits or DX preview builds or something. That's a far cry from being a significant fraction of a $70 billion buyout. What LotR trend chasing game did Bethesda release in 2002? And how could they chase that trend when the first movie released just a month before? I think you're unduly mad.
>>721465213>Didn't deny itAt least you aren't delusional. Morrowtards love to cry about casualization whilst worshipping the game that started it. News flash, if you reward a company for dumbing shit down, then they're going to keep dumbing shit down.
>>721465213Starfield really isa return to form
>>721461890>come on fellow anon, it is totally natural and organic for the same talking points and canned phrases to be repeated endlessly
>>721464189>"Its all in this note" That's Creation Club shit
>>721462514>muh money you NEED to care about money over integritySubhuman.>>721463583>I have no clue what I'm talking about but NEED to post an opinion!: the post>>721463936Obsidian was wanting to make an actual mainline game, fuckwit. That's not the same thing as a mobile game and a fallout shelter clone.
>>721465319It's called oblivion you fucking retard, the 360 exclusive they started developing in partnership with MS immediately after Morrowind.>It went 180 with Oblivion. Because Peter Jackson’s Lord of the Rings was coming out, and it was fucking great. And since technology had come so far, Todd was like, “We’re gonna make that. We’re gonna go back to traditional fantasy.” So basically, kill yourself you dumb faggot. >>721465402Daggerfall is a piss easy game, please elaborate how Morrowind is any more or less casual.
Trannies in the thread yet coping about how bg3 wasn’t a flop, so people actually LIKE faggot propaganda?
>>721430068It will never be released and is totally fake videos with no actual in game footage.
>>721465074>oh no, not my Giantish skill, it added so much to my game
>>721460416>Flight Simulator: You have to be always online to utilize the power of cloud rendering!>TES6: You have to be always online to utilize the power of cloud dialogue!
>>721463583You can only play the endearingly jank card once and can't keep doing that for 15 years, not when you are company that size with MS bucks. Not that bethesda was small before and probably really shouldn't have gotten a pass on a game with 5 in the name but because of how big mainstream success it happened to be it managed to get away with it by virtue of being the first game of this kind for many people.Times have changed TES6 needs to be a real next generation game. You can't just make fallout 4 (a game already woefully outdated when it came out itself) in space and call it your major title again.
>>721436225PedophilesIt's a bit redundant though.
>>721431087https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDKXJFm0Xk0
>>721465769>Smaller world>Less stats>Less systems>Retard baby proof dungeon design>Far easier to make a broken build
>>721465769Do you know what years are? What year was the "next year" (>>721464821) after 2001? When did LotR release? Why should anyone keep replying to you?
>>721465925>real next generation gameWhat does that entail exactly?Not like any of this matters anyway, because Bethesda still has ZERO competition in the first-person fantasy open-world with lite-sim elements genre. Starfield flopped because it was sci-fi, TES6 just has to be slightly prettier Skyrim.
>>721465656>Obsidian was wanting to make an actual mainline gameIndeed. An actual good game, unlike those listed. A New Vegas to Skyrim's Fallout 3. We couldn't be having that, now could we.
>>721466896Why would Bethesda let Obsidian debut a new Province? Or did they want to make a new game in an already explored Province?
>>721467181We don't know a thing about what ideas they had. They could've easily set the game on an island like Redguard did with Stros M'kai. Roscrea, for example.https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Roscrea
>>721465480nta but it's simple herd mentality psychology for one. Also, it's an extremely valid point. The game is utterly and admittedly shallow, even by Bethesda themselves. In their delusion they imagined the game to be magically filled with mods while they ironically crippled the consumer incentive to have access to mods by buying out talented mod creators and paywalling content.
>>721466492I didn't say oblivion released in 2002, work on your reading comprehension ESL>>721466281>smaller worldthat was actually developed as opposed to the same slop copy and pasted 1000x>less stats90% of the removed stats are various languages, which I will consneed to you was better for the personality build>less systemsnot really, unless you count bland procgen quests, free money, and a 3D model of a boat as essential systems.>retard babby proof dungeon designsoftlocking your game from poor dungeon design is not a feature>Far easier to make a broken buildin daggerfall you can get infinite money by just taking loans and never paying them back, besides, available systems have nothing to do with the game being "casual" or not. Any game where you can savescum is casual by design.
>>721467181>Why would Bethesda let Obsidian debut a new Province?That's the point. They wouldn't because they're pussies and they know it would have had more sovl. Just look at TR, despite some weird community project idiosyncrasies it's way more charming than at least 50% of the TES content Bethsoft has put out since Morrowind.
>>721467406A game on a island would've been fun. I wonder if Obsidian would've been capable of making a Bethesda sized open-world back then without having access to a vault of pre-made assets though.>>721467976>Letting a contracted studio take on one of the major selling points of new TES games. Come on anon, are you actually this stupid?
>>721469176Bethesda will be insolvent and all their fans dead before they cover every province at this rate.
>>721432201At least it's not UEslop
>>721467617>that was actually developed as opposed to the same slop copy and pasted 1000xAnd the world felt appropriately scaled. Unlike Morrowind that relied on a slow ass walk speed and an omnipresent fog.>not really, unless you count bland procgen quests, free money, and a 3D model of a boat as essential systems.The removal of climbing. Can't have that in a world scaled to a baby's playpen. Also banking and the variety of houses.>softlocking your game from poor dungeon design is not a featureIt's almost like the game had unlimited saving and reloading. I am still seething at how shit Morrowind's "dungeons" are.>in daggerfall you can get infinite money by just taking loans and never paying them back, besides, available systems have nothing to do with the game being "casual" or not.And yet it's nothing compared to Morrowind's busted and poorly balanced enchantment system.>Any game where you can savescum is casual by designFalse. Savescumming won't make a tiktok retard who can only follow the objective marker on his screen capable of playing a game with no objective markers.
>>721430068Bethesda lost ALL good will the minute they made fun of Charlie Kirk
>>721465080It's not like that. They're a clique of woke weirdos who all agree with each other. In their eyes he is great because he has the same beliefs. It's completely irrational.
>>721465426Both yes and no. I have been thinking how the same approach to a design can come from entirely different reasons and it makes all the difference in the world.>Daggerfall>Randomly generated content so each playthrough would feel like a new adventure. To generate an incredible amount of content that would be infeasible, if not even impossible, doing it "by hand" with manual human effort. >While the functions will be the same, the locations and setups would be certainly different enough that you won't already know where to go and what to do.>The possible layouts and features the randomly generated content has a level of depth where even after many hours of playing the game, it can generate goofy and interesting setups that bring back that sense of novelty again.>The major flaw is that sometimes the generations are objectively awful, sometimes making certain dungeons actually impossible to finish as a consequence.>Starfield>Randomly generated content just so they did not have to make the dungeons themselves.>The variety and functions are minimum, they all feel samey with no surprises.>The only advantage to the modern day random generations is simply that it ensures it won't make unwinnable situations ("soft locked" dungeons).>They know it's shit. They actually expected their modding community to improve their gameplay, add new elements to their procgens, and create the interesting NPCs and new 'handcrafted' content for them, and then approach some mod creators to have their work sold as 'third-party DLC' via the Creation Club shit.Beyond the surface they're entirely different. Not the same at all. Modern day Bethesda have nothing to do Daggerfall (Todd joined after Daggerfall, he's to blame for TES Adventures Redguard BTW). Fallout 4's (that's was really when Bethesda 'died') random gen content is a laughable mix of pathetic incapability and nefarious rent-seeking.
>>721469319At this rate, probably. I don't anyone foresaw a 15yr gap between TES5 and TES6. Shame Obsidian went to shit some time ago, would've love to see a TES from them right about now.
>>721469983Bethesda Game Studios and Bethesda Softworks are two different companies.
>>721470839I honestly wouldn't mind randomly generated dungeons in TES6. Starfield was their first attempt at doing it in their modern engine, so they'll be more likely to do it well this time around.They've been using Fallout as their test bed for the Elder Scrolls games since they got the rights to it, so I wouldn't be surprised if they plan on using some systems from Starfield.
Don't worry lads, Beyond Skyrim is coming out any day now. Aaaaaaaaaaaany day now...https://georgetr1.github.io/Beyond-Skyrim-Map/
>>72143006832 times the bugsand 32 times the performance requirementssee that mountain over there? you can SNEED it
>>721472479Don't you mean Skyblivion?
>>721431445They brought MK back?
>>721432024Ironically they had no diversity in what was going on in their grey matter.
>>721440897Because bethfags are retards, next question
Have they at least pretended they don't support murdering people who disagree with them or they just ignoring it and hoping everyone forgets?
>>721472623This year!
>>721469176Yes, he absolutely is.
>>721473056I'm hopeful too, but they haven't even finished the world space of the Imperial City so no nav mesh or quests or QA or anything else has been done. I expect a delay.
>>721440897 I've only seen 1 poster shill Saarfield and he's probably taking the piss
>>721472479>>721472623>Everyone hates oblivion>Somehow they all want to play it on the skyrim engineWhy tho?Plus, the original oblivion and the remake are much more fun than skyrim and morrowind.
>>721473306Only the Imperial City itself was unfinished right? I thought everything was basically finished apart from navmeshing?
>the original oblivion and the remake are much more fun than skyrim and morrowind(You)
Can't wait to finish my playthrough of Elder Scrolls 6 and then immediately go boot up Morrowind for a playthrough of a better and more immersive video game experience.
>>721435854>make the map small>make the map extremely dense with interesting things to findNo lmao.I recently played Skyrim and was annoyed as fuck that I couldn't walk 5 minutes without encountering enemies guarding their lair.Oblivion did it better in this regard. Stuff was more spread out.
>>721472356If they actually do that then I'am never buying the game. I would only change my mind is if they proved me wrong and it turns out to be amazing. But I have no hope of that at all. I am not some boomer elitist either. What I long for is the 'action adventure' gameplay of Skyrim that has the level of mechanical depth of Morrowind, as well as a sense of danger (so no level scaling, areas that look scary actually are and will wreck your shit and leave you with costly repair and illness curing bills), and have interesting writing. My only hope of that happening is when Skyrim becomes fully playable on the OpenMW engine and someone does their own complete overhaul themselves, including rewriting and replacing the godawful dogshit that are Skyrim's quests. I might even try to do it myself but as of now even the Special Edition engine doesn't support the types of gameplay mechanics I want without breaking.
>>721473819Must be nice to be so easily amused.I am jealous of those that can just enjoy the simple things.
>>721473630Well and some of the Deadlands that haven't been done since it's like bonus so that when each portal rotates through a different worldspace it isn't just pulling from a pool of 7. But the Imperial City being unfinished puts a stop on every thing related to the city until it's done. And it's the largest city in the game with a lot of quests and a lot of space to navmesh. And it's not just that it's unfinished, it's still waiting on architecture pieces to be done from the last I read, so it's still basically in the post concept stage still. It'll be a while.
>>721473630Supposedly. Devs are QA testing quests and reporting bugs until they can work on the Imperial Cityhttps://www.youtube.com/@RebelzizeXtra/videos
>>721473606>Everyone hates OblivionNo, it's just the most awkward one. It doesn't have the depth of Morrowind or the smoothness (debatable I guess) of Skyrim. It's on that cursed version of Gamebryo that's buggy as shit and a pain to mod. The Demake is ugly, destroys the originals art style and atmosphere. Skyblivion is expanding on the Oblivion, like redoing the also the copy-pasted Ayleid Ruins and Oblivion Gates to actually have unique layouts and designs. Structures are being expanded, like Cloud Ruler Temple and the citites. And best of all, it'll have all the improvements of Skyrim SE and it's bevy of mods. Armour and first-person animation mods especially will be see immediate use.
>>721474190>>721474239Damn. Guess I'll just have to do a TTW playthrough after I'm done with the winter Skyrim playthrough.
>>721430068and 32x the genders and skin tone 7?
>>721474190>it's still basically in the post concept stageSome part of it *has* been built, according to this videohttps://youtu.be/0-Egq51mJSA?t=469
>>721473985>mechanical depth of Morrowindwhat mechanical depth? it's just a dogshit success chance calculation
>>721474394Or play Project Tamriel, I picked it up last January when they released Anvil and it's very good. >>721474526Oh yeah that's fair, the Arboretum was finished earlier this year.
>>721452375>I wouldn't count on that. TES is in the same boat as GTA - they're relics of a previous generation of gamersA 2006 Elder Scrolls game with an HD skin came out this year and outdid every other game on the market so YTA
>>721474526>>721474897Oh and the Waterfront has been done for years at this point, unless they are redoing that as well. It wasn't very different from the original.
>>721474897I might just do that. Are the new areas they showed off at modcon releasing this year?
>>721475262Dunno, I think the plan was to have Markarth area stuff for Skyrim release. And maybe one other big area in Morrowind. They don't really do release dates.
>>721474826I am a warrior-mage supremacist and I want my enchanted heavy armor while wearing my fabulous robes too as I cast my custom made OP spells of doom. I also use a mod that allows me (and NPCs) to cast spells on a whim so I don't even have to switch away from my weapon to cast my spells. I need it. You might say>"That sounds like some bitch made casual shit"Yeah, it is. Don't care. As I've said, I am not an elitist. Looking up how to create OP builds and choosing to do so is easy mode. I love it. I don't hate Skyrim because it's "Casual" (I pretty much am one) I hate Skyrim because the writing is painfully bad and the gameplay is uninteresting. Morrowind's depth comes from exploiting it's systems. And Skyrim has not even a fraction of Morrowind's depth.
>>721475479Can you continue playing on the same save after major updates?
>>721475027>outdid every other game on the marketLet's not get ahead of yourself there Todd.
>>721474267>The Demake is ugly, destroys the originals art style and atmosphereTranslation:>I'm a contrarian and will call it bad and ugly because other people think it's good and looks good also my ewaste computer can't run it
>>721444910halloween vampire ass plastic teeth
>>721430223Based straight ally Emil
>>721477260Nah, it's simply ugly, not technically, but artistically. OG Oblivion was bursting with colour, and they made another brown-gray UE5 mess with fog everywhere. There is no reason to play the Demake over a modded Oblivion.
>>721477814>MUH COLOOOOOOOOOOOR>actually pretending unfinished facegen potato heads and low res textures are SOVL because you're too stupid to adjust your own saturation
>>721477971Yeah, colours. Oblivion's character models are ugly as shit, but the world was always the star. Why would I pay $50 for an ugly Demake that failed to retain the atmosphere of a 20yr old game?
>>721476736It depends on what they change, if they just add new worldspace then it's fine. But if they modify some existing space then who knows.
>Enter>Right-wing AAA studioWokesisters...our response?
>>721479643literally who?
