What would it be like?
Solar Punk is dogwater. There has never been an interesting depiction of it. Not even back in the 1970's.
>>721503647Forced zoomer aesthetic
Solarpunk is just an aesthetic, it's not an actual theme. There's no substance behind it like there is for cyberpunk and steampunk
>>721503647>Brightcity
>>721503647Never happening Future wil sovlless corpo hellhole without any cyberpunk toys
>>721504325>steampunk>more than an aestheticlol
>>721504325I mean we can come up with oneEasiest answer would be something like brave new world where dystopia is hidden in Utopia
>>721503647Kinda like one of those Solarpunk books, I guess.
>>721503972Solar Punk doesn't work because it's not even a real genre.Cyberpunk happened because there was a natural emergence of stories, art, research papers and essays that were trying to grapple with the implications of cybernetic technology on the future world.Even the name "Solarpunk" makes no sense because the use of the -punk suffix contradicts that solarpunk is supposed to be virtually utopian, there should be no need to be punk in such an environment.>>721504325Even steampunk is guilty of being shallow. It's just Cyberpunk backported into the victorian era at best.
>>721503647I'm more preferable to ligmapunk myself>Johnny: Ligma up, Steve jobs. We've got a city to burn >V : Who's Steve jobs?
>>721504393>the world is entrenched in anarcho-communism, with nation-states and corporations being absent, and the world divided into numerous communes>this system is only kept in place thanks to the common code, an eugenic and eumemic system that subtly kills any rebellious individuals before they become functional members of society
>>721504803this isnt /tg/ nerd
Instead of solarpunk people should just revive futurism.It's an actual genre full of works and isn't just vibes like solarpunk and already encompasses the sustainable green future that solarpunk tries to get at.
>>721504338>>721504393>bright city is being subverted by covert corporatist organizations
>what about cyberpunk but with......steam/diesel engines/clockwork/plants/genetic modification/medieval knights/BBC!!???It's all so tiring
>>721504803you can also have <1% of the population living on the outskirts in the most terrible conditions possible oh that's just brave new world...
>>721504872>Futurism>genreWhat?
>>721504325The punk comes from the DIY attitude, a Build-your-own-robot sort of stuff.It also comes from mutalist, anarchist, decentralized organization, like in Ursula LeGuin's dispossessed.
>>721504393Or you know, a rebellion against the tired mode of rebellion propagated by our popular culture? Cyberpunk romanticizes oppression, fight and struggle. It doesn’t want to show us the world worth fighting for, it wants us to revel in being crushed and rebelling, because virtue doesn’t lie in finding a way out, it lies in participating in this fight.
>>721505278what's your understanding of futurism?
>>721504518Cyberpunk is punk not because of its dark aesthetics, but because the aesthetic is rooted in standing against the status quo of consumerism, capitalism, and classism. Solarpunk is punk because it goes against the status quo of the dystopian future and doomism.
>>721505647I don’t know jackshit, so I googled it. Didn’t say anything about it being a genre.
>>721505705Your description of Cyberpunk and Solarpunk are virtually the same thing.
>>721505469>>721505641>>721505705Go back.
Solarpunk is about building alternatives instead of taking part in a hopeless struggle. In not allowing to be written into someone else’s narrative, to become a safe – predictable – rebel. It’s accepting the grassroot movements, collaboration with all its conflicts, imperfections, as something beautiful and worth telling stories about.
>>721505931This sounds so vauge.
>>721505981Yup, back to square one.
>>721505981huh, almost like its a theme and not a self contained story
>>721505178This but all so cool.
>>721504518>solarpunk is supposed to be virtually utopianthat's your personal impression based on pretty backdrops and positive emotional association with "solar" and anything else remotely "green" sounding. you've been very effectively marketed to. in real life all the "green" movements are full of authoritarians and misanthropes, and a solarpunk type society would reflect those traits.
>>721511046Are you sure about that?
>>721503647Political anarchy requires a highly disciplined, educated, and self-reliant population which means it won't happen because many anarchists like to tattle off to big daddy government instead of resolving disputes amicably with their fellow anarchists
>>721511290sure about what? I've wrote multiple sentences. be specific.
>>721511046While there's no doubt some corruption that needs to be purged from any good work, it's absolutely pathetic to have fallen for the low effort corporate propaganda that environmentalism is bad conceptually.
>>721511596anything relating to "green" has been utterly co-opted by globalists who use the noble facade of "saving teh planet" to systematically impoverish first-world nations. net-zero policies are purely hostile to western prosperity, and do nothing for the planet.
>>721511548Are you sure that you have the right picture about solarpunk yourself?
>>721504325Cyberpunk is mostly just the aesthetic now.
>>721505705Cyber and solar are two sides of the same coin
>>721511596The internet has let the retards congregate in numbers never seen before and the damage it has caused is immense.
Dieselpunk is the best because World War 2 is aesthetically awesome.
>>721504518>Cyberpunk happened becauseof hong kong. that's literally it. bladerunner was inspired by hong kong. all cyberpunk was inspired by bladerunner, and all cyberpunk terminology is inspired by neuromancer (which was inspired by bladerunner).it all comes back to hong kong.and that's the reason why cyberpunk as a genre exists: it's anchored in the real world.solar punk isn't.
>>721503647Solarpunk for an Ecconigga like me
i liked Sunvault, any other good solarpunk anthologies?
>>721503647What makes it punk? Sounds like some pure hippy faggot shit instead.
>>721511596>low effort corporate propaganda that environmentalism is bad conceptually.No, he's correct. Environmentalism can mean not shitting up the environment to make sure we don't fucking die, but it could also mean a corrupt pseudo-communist system with artificial limitation of goods (out of environmental concerns) that the rich and powerful bypass by paying symbolic taxes and fees.Solar"punk" would imply the latter scenario, same as cyberpunk is the grim version of hi-tech future.
>>721514015>>721504518what makes steampunk "punk"?the "-punk" in these "genres" never meant antisocial mohawk losers from a british music underground lmao the "-punk" in cyberpunk, steampunk, dieselpunk and yes solarpunk is just "spunk" - as in archaic word for aesthetic or style or what zoomer monkeys refer to as "vibes">>721504325>>721504383>>721512070yes, it's all just setting aesthetics always was
>>721514386>yes, it's all just setting aesthetics wrong. cyberpunk goes way deeper than just aesthetics. it's hard for me to put into words, because I'm not some philosopher, but cyberpunk is a product of the 80s zeitgeist. there was a great yearning for understanding and tinkering with technology, and the possibilities seemed endless. for young men, cyberpunk was about hope. the dystopian hellholes already existed back then, as well as the fear that they will soon spread over the entire world, but technology was promising prosperity and wealth. at least in the heads of young men. a way to cut through the world with your mind.by comparison, steampunk is just wild west with focus on pocket watches and trains, so it only appeals to westaboos. solarpunk is largely unknown by the public, and if anything, gets associated with climate change lunatics, ergo it doesn't appeal to most people.
>>721513774>of hong kongHong Kong isn't in Japan>neuromancer (which was inspired by bladerunner)not true
>>721515547>cyberpunk was about hopelmao noif anything it was about losing individuality and humanity, getting swept in waves of corporations erasing established natural orders of nations>steampunk is just wild westit's victorian england + zeppelins and gears actually and it's not about anythingnotice you don't even mention dieselpunk because you can't even bullshit excuse it like the previous two (poorly at that) - because it really is just blatantly aesthetics >solarpunk is largely unknown by the publicwell yeah, it's new and not fleshed outit has no real mainstream media about it>if anything, gets associated with climate change lunatics, ergo it doesn't appeal to most peopleok let's not go into red states political shit takes here for no reason
>>721515720hong was the most popular modern city of the late 70s/early 80s and was the main source of influence for cyberpunk aesthetics. japan was up there too, but only after hong kong.>>neuromancer (which was inspired by bladerunner)>not truethat would imply that gibson never saw bladerunner while writing neuromancer, which is 100% wrong.>>721516014>if anything it was about losing individuality and humanitynot for the people who were into cyberpunk. what you describe is the mentally of druggies who waste away in groups of like-minded vermin. the people who were (and still are) into cyberpunk are predominantly nerds and tinkerers who want to control technology to their advantage. it's a fascination that you cannot understand if you are just a blind consumer.>notice you don't even mention dieselpunkbecause I forgot. but I agree, dieselpunk, steampunk and solarpunk are mostly aesthetics. it's for LARPers, not actual people. >ok let's not go into red states political shit takes here for no reasonwhy do you suddenly bring up politics? solarpunk is 100% associated with clime change cultists, which is a big reason why you won't get any young men interested in it, which are the backbone of every popular fantasy setting.
>>721516293Cyberpuink is based partially on Japanese economic domination. Which is why Neuromancer has so many Jap stuff in it. It's "street samurai", not "street shaolin monks", okay? Case hangs out in Chiba. Gibson is a bit of a weeb, read the second Bridge trilogy where some American guy marries a miku. >Blade RunnerYeah, Gibson saw it, but his book was basically finalised by that time. The world is pretty different in both works, anyway. I don't think Neuromancer even has flying cars?
>>721516293Look at this based individual special snowflake you guys. He's le super smurt and deep. He's not a consumerist sheep like Billy and Timmy back at high school. When he consooms slop for goys he is doing it with twinkling hope in his mutt eyes. He is le people and tech nerd with inner dialogue. Other people are not really people you see.
>>721504325Solarpunk actually isn't an aesthetic - it's an ethos. An explicit rejection of pessimism and unsustainability. It's got a manifesto and everything. The rebellion lies in imagining a better future. People who are trying to redefine it as "what if sustainable future but bad" are missing the point.
>>721516293HK is referenced as a bluprint for GitS movie (Mamoru Oshii) and Hollywood in general liked HK aethetics at the time.But CP as a "subgenre" happened due to Japanese tech rise and Japan bashing in the 80s. Nobody was nervous about Hong Kong.
>>721516293>>721516491Gibson reportedly saw Blade Runner whilst writing Neuromancer (or maybe Johnny Mnemonic) and felt like they'd taken it out of his brain. It was definitely the Zeitgeist.
>>721516491>but his book was basically finalised by that timeaccording to him, and as we know, authors are more often than not narcissists who are full of shit.>read the second Bridge trilogynoted>It's "street samurai", not "street shaolin monks", okay?yes. sounds like I need to read his earlier works to get a clearer picture. when I read the sprawl trilogy for the first time, all I could think of was bladerunner, but I guess I'm wrong here.
>>721516014>if anything it was about losing individuality and humanity, getting swept in waves of corporations erasing established natural orders of nationsthis sounds good though
>>721516712>But CP as a "subgenre" happened due to Japanese tech rise and Japan bashing in the 80s. Nobody was nervous about Hong Kong.people were nervous about japan in the 80s?
>>721516804>It was definitely the Zeitgeist.Yeah.>>721516956>>read the second Bridge trilogyI'm sorry, there's no "second Bridge trilogy". There's Bridge trilogy, which is Gibson's second trilogy, after the first one (Neuromancer, Count Zero, Mona Lisa Overdrive).
>>721503647KEKYPOW
>>721517191thanks anon, downloading them right now. I need a good read.
>>721517190Oh yes. Educate yourself. "Jap crap" and "Japan bashing" were a thing. People even died due to hysteria like Vincent Chin.Even Trump was seething about it like he does with Chyna now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucdyUXmojb8His PTSD remained to this day like his campaign speeches about Nippon steel showed, now buried in Jewtube algorithm.This all culminated to and stopped after Plaza Accords.
>>721513774>cyberpunk is... LE NEON LIGHTShello saar
>>721503647play Terra Nil
>>721517557>Vincent Chin>kick a Chinaman to death because you thought he was Japanese>pay $3000 and no jail timewhat the fuck lmao>Kaufman said that Ebens and Nitz "weren't the kind of men you send to jail ... You don't make the punishment fit the crime; you make the punishment fit the criminal."what the fuck
>>721513774Terminally retarded post. Did your mom OD on Tylenol while carrying you?
>>721517557>"Jap crap" and "Japan bashing"Interesting. This was unheard of in EU. My grandpa used to drive a toyota for 30 years.
>>721517640white catholic btw>>721517796bladerunner coined the genre and was influenced by honk kong. these are facts, anon.
>>721517876It came and it went. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1QcjsjjtRcEurope was in on the Plaza Accord too. They're also to blame for crippling Japan. But it was spearheaded by America because they had more to lose against Japan. Europe was already ceding the tech territory at that point. It's why every single app and website that Europeans now use are American made.
>>721503647Shit because the hippies that invented that trash dont get the "punk" part and are adamant solarpunk is a flawless utopia.
>>721517191Maybe he meant the second book in the Bridge trilogy
>>721514386You are anti intelligent to the core stop wasting our time with your baseless "no its not because i says so".
>>721517774When America was great
>>721518425Both posts are mine, I corrected myself.
>>721517949There's literally a short story called "cyberpunk"
>>721518473Sorry your genre fiction is shallow brainrot senpai. Sucks having to be reminded this way I guess.
>>721517876Yellow peril crap was coined for a reason. Your country clearly doesnt have its own car industry to welcome japanese stuff so easily.
>>721518536>inintelligent animal refuses everything people says with no argument>somehow its about me and "my genre"Holy schizo melty.
what is punk
Just started my first playthrough. Why does every dialogue option for V, even the "friendly" ones, make him/her sound like a snarky bitch. Can't I be genuinely nice to people?
>>721518683funkaesthetics>>721518628Again, I'm sorry your slop was pig feed all along.
>>721518578>Your country clearly doesnt have its own car industryIt does tho, but it's mostly off-road and heavy duty. japanese cars were always more popular than american cars in europe.
>>721518742>japanese cars were always more popular than american cars in europeBecause American cars can't pass EuroNCAP standard. Ford has to make tiny cars for the European market. It's also why you'll never see Cybertruck in Europe.
>>721514386>the "-punk" in cyberpunk, steampunk, dieselpunk and yes solarpunk is just "spunk" - as in archaic word for aesthetic or style or what zoomer monkeys refer to as "vibes"Yeah bruv that was definitely it it's not like these people are still alive so we can ask them lmaoIdiot
>>721503647Pokemon
>>721517949>bladerunner coined the genre >a tech noir movie coined a genre that predates itWild."Coined" means coming up with a word. A person does that. Not only did Blade Runner never namedrop "Cyberpunk" but it's a movie that has very little to do with the genre except the surface level dystopian futuristic city aesthetics - ironically enough.There's very little "cyber" in Blade Runner. There's even less "punk" in it. It's a noir movie about an authority figure, a cop, hunting down clones.
>>721504325>>721503647So, basically Final Fantasy pre-SquareEnix
>>721503647>>721503972>>721504325I'd argue that some of the Phantasy Star settings are either Solarpunk or Metropunk. Almost all of Phantasy Star 2 takes place on a desert mars world that's been fully terraformed into a lush, garden planet, complete with giant biodomes acting as city-sized greenhouses, lush grass everywhere and forests, cybercanals distributing water world-wide. It's kind of interesting to play Phantasy Star 4 and see the planet reverting gradually back to desert during a dark age, where it's not all the way back to being DUNE yet (like it was in PS1) but is starting to lose its forests, grass, and etc.I would also posit that Phantasy Star Online has solarpunk elements amongst the ruined Pioneer 1 colony. Phantasy Star Universe stradded cyberpunk and solarpunk as well, with Parum being a 100% terraformed planet. Even the most wild of nature was secretly curated over time, and if you were to dig down 20 feet you'd find metal/stone foundation under the nature. Some really wild shit.
>Nobody mentioned Dieselpunk so far
>>721519490ctrl+F nigga
>>721519485>either Solarpunk or MetropunkJesus Christ this sht has to stop
>>721514386>what makes steampunk "punk"?A large initial focus on the massive class divide that was created by industrialization? Like the brutal working conditions that led to unions, child labor, rampant disease in wretched living conditions, etc.Arcanum is a good example of it, because of its elements of fantastical racism, progress vs. tradition (tech vs. magic), a ruling class that manipulates things from the shadows, and the new industrialized technology being used for horrific acts of war and terrorism.The aesthetic can be used without focusing on the punk aspects but that's just a misuse of it. Granted, I think in general trying to boil stuff down to an aesthetic vibe like that is kind of cringe and I think going "my setting is steampunk :)" instead of a more fleshed out description is dumb even if I get that it conveys info quickly. But if you WERE to just use the aesthetic without the thematic aspect (i.e. a steampunk utopia) it should be -core instead of -punk. Steamcore. Solarcore. Cybercore. Pauldroncore. Whatever the fuck.The solarpunk thing is actually just solarcore because there's nothing -punk about it.
>>721519563First Kung Fu-punk game is on its way btw
>>721519331You're not wrong, but BR is also a movie about technology challenging what it means to be human and about hypercapitalists creating basically a slave class, so it has more in common with cyberpunk than just aesthetics.
>>721519331>There's even less "punk" in it. It's a noir movie about an authority figure, a cop, hunting down clones.I think people kind of misread the "punk" in cyberpunk. It doesn't have to literally apply to the protagonist for it to count. Cyberpunk is a punk vision of the future - that is, "no future". Nothing ever gets better, we're stuck with this shit forever.
>>721517190The Japanese economy in the 80s was absolutely unstoppable. Their real estate and technology industries were insane and people genuinely thought they could have taken over the world. It was called the bubble economy, though, because it popped in '91 and everything fell through, though.America's economy will, eventually, pop just like that and it'll lead to a recession that makes the Great Depression look like a joke. That's just how it is. The American economy has been too dominant for too long with too much unchecked growth and spending.
>>721519563Would you prefer Yoooocore or Wuxiapunk instead?
>>721519906I'd prefer to drive rusty nails into my urethra
>>721503647>What would it be like?Aeon Flux 2005
Name ONE solarpunk game
Putting punk after every word is not an aesthetic
we need more dieselpunk games
>>721520330I actually LOVE this gamehttps://store.steampowered.com/app/1593030/Terra_Nil/
>>721514015Most Solarpunk settings are built off of mass-genociding anyone who doesn't agree with the new green world order/anyone who didn't 'coincidentally' died over the last apocalypse. Thus rises the question whether or not their ends justify the means, or whether the solarpunk society should be held accountable for profiting off of a mass tragedy.
>>721520330
>>721519615>massive class divide that was created by industrialization>industrializationDeindustrialization actually. Or rather, outsourcing. Specifically to Japan and other Asian states.It's fear of losing human autonomy in a globalized corporate world. Nobody fears that Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are going to put you in an industrial factory. The class divide happens IRL because corporations will fire you and send your job overseas. You won't die in a factory. You will die on the streets, shooting fentanyl as you stare into a kanji neon sign glowing overhead, from an overseas company that shook hands with Elon Musk to get your job and sell you cheap AR goggles. As corporate class grows richer.Cyberpunk is just orientalism + globalism lol>>721516712>>721517557It got birthed as a genre because boomers fearmongered about Toyota cars, Honda bikes and Sony walkman. And it kept the Japanese angle (hello giant geisha screens and Arasaka lmao) because this genre is now retro-futurism hence the 80s fashion trends and synth music.If one were to make a spiritual successor/update then a greater focus would be aimed at all things virtual and internet (because both Gibson and Pondsmith came up with the concept of internet before the real thing occurred but underestimated the impact and importance it had). Other than the internet focus the aesthetics would also shift on China baddies instead of Japanese ones. Nobody fearmongers about Xperia spying on you. The Gen X is too busy fearmongering about BYD, DJI and TikTok brainwashing kids with Labubus and communism. So it's still just orientalism + globalism but the big overreaching baddies aren't alien Japanese corporations following profits but alien Chinese corporations following state ideology.When you have time and patience:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnOcxtGUzbAx
>>721520685>Deindustrialization actually.the post you linked to talks about steampunk
>>721520805Didn't see. My entire post is now superfluous.
>>721519701It's in the same vein. But you're better off glazing Matrix and Johnny Mnemonic since they're more faithful.
The only reason we have "Steampunk" is because William Gibson wrote a Victorian scifi novel
>>721520412Dieselpunk is by far the coolest.Followed by cyberpunk, then atompunk and finally solarpunk.
>>721505931I don't know, the few solar punk stories I read were prefaced with "in the beginning, the people getting in the way of green energy destroyed each other in their hubris. In the aftermath, a beautiful homogonized culture was born from these ashes."So, the solution to our problems is mass-population culling? Star Trek was precfaced with something similar, but they went out of their way to call the eco-terrorists as monsterous a faction as everyone else for taking up arms to protect the biosphere. WWIII wasn't something anyone was proud of, and instead of a hedgemonic mono-culture United Earth strived for diplomatic dialogues at every venture and stayed off trying to tell other policies what to do, which would evolve into the Federation's Prime Directive and seperate them from most of their immitators through the crutial fact they are a post-colonial society. Feddies tried to see the point of view of everyone in their efforts to open up a common dialogue, even the facists, and that sounds to me like something nicer than a vegan gremlin who wishes everyone that doesn't follow their strict dogma kills themself, or would attempt to force it on others a-la the Interstellar Concordium. Or the Borg.
>>721521715p. sure Kirk would punch a nazi but all right
>>721515547>dystopian setting where corporations control everything, crime is rampant, rogue AIs are out of control, and the average person does not even have his humanity left>but it's about le hope because you can plug your brain into le interwebz n shitamerigolem moment
>>721522251He kind of does in the Ekos episode, but only after another Feddie tried to get them to do the nazism thing without the racism.
Solar "punk" is a shitty flawless setting where conflicts cant happen because everything is solved already.
>>721503972I read a (very) short story once that was interesting, I think it was just by some guy but it was post-climate apocalypse because the sun just decided to become brighter iirc and the struggle was against the sun causing desertificationthe people that remained after the initial starvation were too busy making embankments, breeding sun-resistant plants and creating artificial wetland/forests to act as safehavens and barriers to recover technologically or civilisationallyif you expanded on a setting like this with stuff like neo-hydraulic empires that are ultimately well intentioned but oppressive and in practice enslave everyone to do necessary work and maybe have certain technologies remaining due to intense use and practical need like increasingly shittier solar panels being desperately manufactured in run-down factories you could get a good setting goingeven the distinciton between haves and have-nots would be pretty easy to establish; the richfags live in comfy and moist undergound greenhouses while the plebs are stuck on the surface in their rammed-earth (not enough water for concrete, trees are too important to prevent desertification to cut down) hovels
Solarpunk as in the whole world has been encapsulated by a gigantic all encompassing solar panel dome owned by an all powerful corporate entity who use it to live in ultra luxury above the dome in sky cities. The rest of humanity live beneath the dome in sprawling cities made up of the scraps of light that trickle down below. Rather than electricity taking precedent, ultrareflective, lossless mirrors have been created as a means of storing and transfering light energy leading to a world that literally depends on light. With crops unable to naturally grow beneath the dome and corps owning most of the light, it's up to black market light tappers to source light from the corporate light vaults, worm farms, highly illegal incinerators, literal holes on the dome or any other means to run the society below
>>721523279Why does everything have to be oppressive and with class divides? >>721523515No that's cyberpunk
>>721514386> as in archaic word for aesthetic or style or what zoomer monkeys refer to as "vibes"No it’s not you fucking idiot. Watch or play literally any cyberpunk media, the protagonist is a punk in the literal, traditional sense. Rebelling against an unfair system of corporate exploitation. Cyberpunk universally carries themes of corporate greed, capitalism, a loss of humanity in pursuit of your goals. Steam punk and the others are set dressing. They can be about anything.
>>721520497The demo looked much better than the finished game.
>>721523669because it's punk?but usually in cyberpunk the class divide is for no reason other than rich fucks being rich fucksin this case it would be more of a desperation to reach some degree of comfort and security
>>721524336"Cyberpunk" wasn't punk because it was "about punks", it was punk because cyberpunk authors were rebelling against the status quo in scifi literature. Then it established a new status quo that Solarpunk is a response to. Trying to make it "cyberpunk with an Apple aesthetic" is missing the point. That's still cyberpunk.
>>721524240>Watch or play literally any cyberpunk media, the protagonist is a punk in the literal, traditional senseSome of the most popular "cyberpunk" media, even mentioned ITT, are authority figures lol while others follow characters that are just petty criminals trying to get-by in a shithole world. >b-but they rebel??After spending 90% of total screen time busting freaks they break away from their individual conditioning, sure.
>>721524968>characters that are just petty criminals trying to get-by in a shithole world.That *is* pretty much punk though
>>721505931>>721505705>>721505641Fuck off chatgpt nigger
The correct term is SoiPunk
>>721524968That’s called inversion and it’s the single most common type of alternate storytelling in genre history. Just because deckard is working for the system doesn’t mean all those exact same themes aren’t still present. Kay rebels and it’s still the same themes. And again, the other genres of “punk” have no themes which is the actual point being argued. you’re digging your heels into the small amount of purchase you have while the entire rest of your point is obviously wrong.
>>721503647solarpunk makes no sense at all, there's no punk
>>721526879That's fine anon you don't need to be a punk or against the system at large apparently. It's an inversion in storytelling you see.
>>721527263the main character doesn't need to be a punk but there needs to be government/authority vs punks/anarchy, the only way I could see it for solarpunk is if it's like demolition man or something
>>721527263M8 do you think cyberpunk media in which the protagonists are employed by the system are inherently approving of that system? The opposition lies in the storytelling, and it's the same with solarpunk.
>>721527263At this point you must at some level know that your argument is dumb
>>721527804There wasn't any argument. Just autists fixating on the word punk not realizing it stands for aesthetics and not a "punk" movement.I stated the fact: Cyberpunk is just an aesthetic/setting. It doesn't need to be about rebellious characters at all (because it's a different usage of the word "punk"). It's a setting/aesthetic like "fantasy". When you say fantasy you expect primarily swords and elves and kings. But the actual theme can be about anything and the characters can be anyone. It can be dark, "high", "low", romantic, isekai, who cares - it's just set dressings.Same with Cyberpunk. You expect corporations, cyborgs, guns etc. But it can be about anything - even about soulless suits and cops conforming with the "system" lol. Wise guy did a big brain take >>721524240>any cyberpunk media, the protagonist is a punk in the literal, traditional senseWhich is obviously fucking wrong and dumb and retarded and shame on him for clicking "post". And when I corrected him because popular examples, even ITT, are actually the complete opposites - he launches that fucking goalpost into the stratosphere lmao >>721526820 just to avoid admitting that he was being retarded and wrong.Sorry but it is what it is. Cyberpunk, like steam/diesel/solar is just a broad aesthetic at worst and a vague vibe at best.
>>721529130You have the media literacy of a particularly dim slug
>>721529653No, you're just ashamed and insecure about the slop you consume.
>>721529763I absolutely don't mind consuming pulp but I at least get it, and, you know, media in general
