How would you fix Sadie's storyline?
>>721518198make her pregnant with arthurs child
>>721518198Sideline the revenge plot and make her arc similar to that one chick in Beaver Hollow whose husband died and who Arthur has to teach to fend for herself. In Sadie's case, as a result of the Van der Linde gang's criminal influence, she should gradually go from a meek housewife to a lying, stealing, selfish, malicious bitch of a woman who takes advantage of Dutch's initial generosity and eventually contributes to the downfall of the gang, akin to a female Micah. Really, anything is better than the grating-voiced rootin-tootin Mary Sue girlboss she is in-game.
>>721518198Make her actually behave like a woman instead of a mary sue dyke
Just make her not an insane piece of shit, sorted, I don't even care that shes a cowboy
>>721518198go outside you fucking virign
make her suck off jack
>>721518198Make her a solely housewife, plap that ass day and night and birthing a football team of kids.
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>>721519736all of themyes even the first one
>>721521160wait fuck I thought jack was the main character you play asDisregard my previous post
>>721518198she's perfect. end of story.
5 hour o'driscoll gangrape scene
>>721518198She had a solid little story as a supporting character. Torn from her marriage into a life of chaos by moronic criminals and she's there to prove to Arthur that you should fucking do something about your situation if it bothers you instead of just crying about it until you die.
>>721518198actually killed her in American Venom
>>721518198have micah rape her when he finds her at the start of the game while me and dutch are outside dealing with the last guy and horsethen she resents everyone so much she tries to kill the gang at the camp and we put a bullet between her eyes
>>721518198Her story and character was fine but grossly overrated and unrealistic. I liked how she went from being a slobbering mess to trying to fit in with the gang, but it quickly went way too far. First she starts killing heaps of o'driscolls and Pinkertons (I think her late husband taught her how to shoot) like it was yesterday. Then she became a fucking bounty hunter and all hope for the realism died off. Get rid of the girl boss shit where she's massacaring hundreds of o'driscolls and tieing down ruthless murderers and criminals. It would make sense if she hired men to help her out with the bounties, but Rockstar couldn't help themselves. Sex appeal wise, she's pretty decent but her voice takes it away for me. I rather listen to a cat with bronchitis hack up a lung than listen to her throat cancer for more than 10 seconds.
I think she would work better if she was quiet and reserved given her trauma even if they kept her becoming this awesome gunslinger or whatever.
>>721522021>awesome gunslingersince when?? disingenuous moron
>>721522132did you turn the game off when arthur died?
>>721518198Why did they give her such a fat fucking ass? Was that really necessary in a cowboy simulator?
>>721521357Nooooo
>>721522132>since when??Nigga, people are shitting on her for being Mary Sue. Why the fuck do you think that is?
>>721521214>not blue eyes
>>721518198making her the protagonist
>>721518198Adding anal and impregnation to itIn all seriousness, Sadie as a character concept isn't bad, she's a classic revenge rape story. The main issues with her character area) She's constantly and frequently shilled by the other charactersb) She suffers absolutely zero consequences for her actions, even going against the game's main themes.c) She has too much focus when she supposed to be side character in the story.These are all fixable. Get rid of the shilling and have some characters dislike her or show the holes in her abilities; have her face consequences for violent retarded tendencies like death, jail, maiming, dislike from the others, etc.Reduce her role in the main quest. No Sadie in what's supposed to be the emotional climax of John's RDR2 story.
>>721522610RDR2 has the best take possible on "realistic" womenThere's no exaggerated design for sex appeal like a Team Ninja game, and they all dress appropriately for the time, but they all still got attractive sexual characteristics in realistic ways.Sadie has a fat ass, Karen has big tits like a hot slampig would, even the wilderness widow had nice tits, the kinda skinny girls can have that sag well.
>>721518198she dies at the endit makes no sense how everyone in the gang got their comeuppance except her
>>721524132and they are all a disappointment in the end, without any decent romanceable route
>>721524132What about the Bogdanoff in the bottom center?
>>721524753Yes, Arthur is weirdly celibateIt's sorta justified with his backstory and trauma and such, but it still came off as a bit forced Like, he doesn't even kiss his love interest which he repeatedly goes on dates with.Rockstar isn't shy about sex (though 2 has a lot less of it) so maybe. It wasn't just prudishness that made them do that, but also the fact that they don't want people thinking Arthur infected every woman he kissed with TB
>>721524753they should have let us romance Mary Beth
>>721524886It's a bad picture, she looks fine
>>721525109Arthur has romance teasing with almost all the girls in camp, and nothing ever comes of it.
>>721518198Delete her and her missions from the game. Nothing of importance would be lost. She doesn't bring anything to the story and could be easily replaced with any other companion. She is just there to act as a girlboss.
Abandon it entirely. She's basically female Micah, every time she does something she causes massive problems for the gang that barely gets any kind of pushback similar to how Micah does.Instead I'd have Arthur teach her how to shoot and be smart, learn how to hunt and sneak and assassinate. Not fight, the girl boss shit is lame. But a woman sneaking around assassinating people through guile and intelligence and utter ruthlessness is actually pretty good if they make it a point to teach her that she can't fight a man face to face. End her story after ages with her getting her revenge and finally leaving the gang only to return when she hears of Arthurs Death. Maybe she helps John a bit in the post game, but finally decides that life isn't for her.
By removing her entirely and adapting her storyline to one of the other girls in camp that they ultimately did nothing with. For example, instead of Karen becoming a whiskey rat after Sean died they could have had Arthur teaching her how to shoot and becoming a Big Mama killing machine. There were too many characters in the game to begin with, and they didn't do much of shit with a lot of them. Sadie was superfluous.
>>721518198Instead of coming into camp you day and find she screaming and acting bossy with the people who help her while having 0 olbigation to, just find that she kill herself when no one was looking, best ending for this character and it actually makes sense.
>>721525109>Mary BlandNah.
>>721525658>you can help her out at camp by teaching her fighting and survival skills>if you ignore her too much then towards the end she gets killed>if you teach her enough she survives and in the epilogue she helps John in getting revenge for Arthurthis would have been cool
>>721525991>Blandyou sound like the kind of guy that will end up getting stabbed by his crazy latina gf
>>721525109we all had her
>>721526084Pretty good suggestion. Much more natural than what RS pulled in the game. She just becomes all powerfull, gun wielding killer starting in act 3. That completely threw me off, because I kinda forgot she existed when I was immersed in exploring the world.
>>721518198Make her exclusive to RDO.You can easily replace her contributions with literally anyone else in the maingame.
>>721519301This. I mean, wearing pants and firing guns? Women never did that.
I liked her story. The only weird part was that she went from moping around camp to being a competent gunslinger apparently entirely through a change of clothes. I get that she would have had some experience with firarms and survival living on that tiny ranch in the mountains, but killing a deer from afar with a long rifle and ending a mans life up close are quite different.
Sadie was obviously a self insert by some chick writer. Every other character in the game struggles and pays for their past deeds in some way, and she just does whatever the fuck she she wants whenever the fuck she wants while being praised for it and without suffering any personal consequences. She barely even mentions her murdered husband after a certain point. Just a terribly written character, junior high school creative writing class bad, like I said before they could have spent that time and effort fleshing out the stories of any of the other female gang members and had a much better story for it.
>>721526669Her suffering was just front loaded. Also what did you want her to do, mention her dead husband in every other sentence? Now that would be shit writing.
>>721525658>>721526084Unironically would have been one of my favorite characters if this is how they treated her. Actual character growth both literally and figuratively, while also giving a woman an actual combat role that's more realistic yet still in a time where such a thing would have been seen as incredibly bizarre.
>>721526347yeah by the time she started becoming more prominent I barely remembered she was the widow we had rescued at the start, and like >>721526597 said it felt like her skills had come out of nowhere
>>721518198non-ironic answerAxe the whole "I WAS A BADASS WOMAN BACK AT MY RANCH" thing, she still becomes a shootin' tootin' cowgirl, but without that little shtick.Make her transition from traumatized woman into vengeful spirit just a touch more gradual, it starts with her wanting to participate in some random chores with the gang, but you gradually know that she's just out on revenge towards the O'Driscolls. Axe the roaming gunslinger/bounty hunter epilogue, at that point she settles down into a peaceful ranch life, like Bonnie or some shit. She goes hunting putting her newly acquired gun skills to work. John finds her in this state, and she agrees to help him kill Micah.
>>721525109Too young for Arthur.
>>721526769They turn her into some kind of rockstar bounty hunter living a life of luxury at the end of the game, who just rides off into the sunset and is never hunted by the Pinkertons. That's shit self insert writing. And yeah, if someone you loved and intended to spend the rest of your life with were murdered right in front of you it would effect your entire life afterwards and you'd probably mention it more than a couple of times. Shit character.
>>721518198Here's a good way that is believable. Have her turn into Lady Macbeth character that is seducing and whispering in Dutch's ear to get vengeance on the O'Driscoll, slowly leading her making Dutch more and his downfall more believable.
>>721527162The pinkertons made it clear from their first interaction with Arthur that all they really wanted was Dutch. Bounty hunting is a legal profession, why would the Federals give a shit at that point? You the player know that her Husband is dead, her repeating it would just become tedious.
>>721518198Just let her get shot in the intro. That way she wont have to anguish about her dead husband.
remove her
>>721518198I'd make her a non-essential npc and I'd rework the game so it's not a prequel tied to the gang and make Arthur just a wandering outlaw/bounty hunter
>>721527162Why would the Pinkertons care about her? They were hired to capture Dutch. Pearson and all the women get to live a quiet life because they'd be no help in capturing him.
>>721518198she gets raped and killed during her introduction and is never mentioned again
>why would the Pinkertons care about SadieBecause she killed a shitload of them? Did you motherfuckers even play the game?
>>721518198That ass can fart
>>721525282>>721525109>>721525042>>721524753Thats the whole point. Arthur is literally dying and his heart has been broken beyond repair. Mary Linton is his lost lenore, and your only choices are either helping her but keeping that wall up and saying "I love you, but we could never be"Or keeping Arthur's heart closed and fucking her off.Arthur's destined to die a sad lonely death. His story is not meant to be happy, its meant to be a tragedy
>>721518198Play as myself and kill the gang and make their women mine.When will mods do this to actually fix the game?
>>721529076>His story is not meant to be happy, its meant to be a tragedyAnd I'm going to criticize it doesn't represent me.
>>721518198Dies on final mission, that’s it. That completely fix her story line. The main issue I had with Sadie was that she played the dangerous game of revenge the whole game. A game that ended up killing many of the characters in this series. But Sadie managed to walk out of all of it alive. Her story betrays the main theme of the Red Dead Redmeption in that violence begets violence begets violence
>>721518198Horse servicing mini-games at camp with Abigail joining in.
>>721529076this makes rdr1 even more hollow now
>>721529076>His story is not meant to be happy, its meant to be a tragedyyeah but it's almost too bleak, reminds me of Billy Parham in The Crossing
>>721518198by removing it in its entirety.
>>721518198RDR GIRLS + BLACKEDWe playing?
>>721525109Her VA is ridiculously attractive.
>>721530416LENNY!
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>>721530673That smash cut to a conga line is one of my favorite moments in all of video games.
>>721530060And thats why its good. The game is literally about death. About Arthur's slow physical death from an unstoppable illness, metaphysical death of the van der linde gang (And the old west they represent), John's inevitable death that we know is going to happen because the betrayal of the government (Which is portrayed as basically nothing more than another gang essentially) but can't stop etc.It was always meant to be bleak>>721530048Yeah but thats kinda the point. Everything they did, they did for nothing. Even Jack surviving RDR1 leads to him becoming an outlaw and perpetuating the cycle.Its TLOU2's "cycle of revenge is bad" story done 10000x better, because the characters actually get a satisfying revenge sequence but the sub-focus is on the price of revenge, the price of living as an outlaw.>>721529492The games are fun essentially because we are not represented. We are not cool cowboys
>>721531605>We are not cool cowboysWhat's cool about having a sad lonely death?
>>721518198Muh dik
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>>721519146Thats just Abigail though, at least Sadie is interesting. Im tired of every chick with any level of grit being lumped with the girl boss/whore class.
They already fixed it by cancelling her woke spinoff.
>>721531893The way you get there
>>721531605>It was always meant to be bleakI guess you are right, it's just that RDR2 is such a comfy open world game that I would have liked the story to be a bit more optimistic. But Rockstar's stories are always very cynical after all
I didn't feel like she was woke at all. At least her anger stems from the pain of losing her dead husband. She's still a heterosexual woman. She'd be garbage if she was forced to be a dyke who lost her dyke wife in the late 1800s.
>>721532420What nonsense are you talking about
>>721529076The issue is that his lost Lenore is alive and well and he doesn't even kiss her.>>721530048Lol no
>>721525109>Multicultural highly literate gang of outlaws from the 1800's who REALLY like to read and kill people.Fucking kek.
>>721530470>ridiculously attractive.>6/10 30yo white womansir...
make micah rape her
>>721525042>Yes, Arthur is weirdly celibatedude's broken, had a kid, fucking died, now it's all downhill and feels like the gang is the only thing he has left
>>721541906Post Cuba I'd understand, even post Sean's death, but he's not really broken to such point in chapters 1 and 2 and most of 3 and there's plenty opportunity
Was just browsing the catalog but I just finished RDR2 for the first time about a week ago, guess I'll post my thoughts not that anyone cares.I just never played it when it came out, didn't have much interest but got it on sale about a month ago and was bored. Spent a good 200+ hours playing through the single player, not interested in the multiplayer at all.Anyways, my main gripe with the game is how many plot holes the story has. For example, the blackwater stash being inaccessible to them despite them all knowing exactly where it is, no one can go back and get it because reasons for literally months. It's just a stupid plot contrivance to give the gang reason to endlessly need more money. The biggest thing that made me roll my eyes was after Jack is kidnapped, and the Pinkertons just saunter into the camp armed and the gang just lets them go. Why wouldn't the Pinkertons, if they actually gave a shit, stalk out the camp, knowing exactly where all these criminals are, call in all the local law they can find and assault the camp? They would never get away, they could kill / capture Dutch with ease. Then, on the mountain in the Epilogue. I get the theme of the game is that revenge = bad and leads to more bad. Fine, but shit I killed literally 50+ guys on a literal snowy mountain, what the fuck were all those cunts up there eating? The scale of the game for the sake of gameplay ruins the experience. A smaller scale story with less combat and something more to the gameplay would be better. All Rockstar games seem to have the same issues too. The finale would be better if it was just you riding up the mountain with charles and sadie and maybe killing a small number of goons and then confronting dutch, not facing an entire army where the waves of enemies feel endless. That was just my main gripe, the game tries so hard with realism, but the gameplay betrays that objective entirely. It's just boring, it's not as if the gameplay is bad just repetitive.
Also, act 5 was such a pointless slog, they could cut that completely from the game and nothing of value would be lost, it's just a complete waste of time. My main issue with the game was the gameplay itself. Barebones, boring, repetitive. Just like RDR1, almost every mission is identical, ride a horse to location, shoot 30+ people in the head in dead eye, mission ends. Arthur racks up a kill count in the thousands by the time the game is over. Fine, I get that. A game needs to have some gameplay and the entire game is centered around just shooting people in the head. There's nothing else to the gameplay, all the other elements like hunting and fishing and gambling are barebones and pointless outside of 100% completion for the challenges. I appreciate the attention to detail in the game itself too, but most of it is just vanity. The story is OK, the voice acting is good, the animations and models are all well done, not the best I've ever seen but really good even to this day for a game almost a decade old now. I liked the epilogue more than the actual story with Arthur too. I just don't see how anyone can consider this a GOAT. Even for story-based games there's better stuff out there. I hated most of the characters most of the game because they aren't good people and the game never really makes you feel good about all the murdering and killing you're doing either. it's an 5/10 in gameplay, 9/10 in design of the world, graphics, etc. and 8/10 in characters, dialogue, script, etc. To be honest the gameplay is the main reason I have zero interest in RDR2 online. If there's not an actual interesting story arc why would I bother with the mediocre gameplay?
having never played a rockstar game, I just played RDR2 as if it was yume nikki
>>721527016>Too youngno such thing in the old wild west
>>721518198The epilogue is really bizarre. The main theme of the game is that revenge wont help you feel better and only causes problems, but the finale is the trio going on a revenge mission, two of them receiving seemly mortal wounds, then achieving their goal and making a full recovery. Charles and Sadie really should have died at the end, and it really dilutes the game's message that they did not.
>>721543491pretty good review, I agree with basically everything. My fondest moments with the game were about roaming the beautiful world and finding interesting details, while the story and gameplay were meh
>>721543491but anon, my tiktok video about horse balls swealling hit 1million views, best gaem ever
>>721526385She's a weirdo tho
>>721521351She's a really proactive character in the later missions. She concocts the plan to rescue Marston while Dutch is content to let him rot
>>721543936That decision of hunting down Micah after everything John worked towards is the single decision that lead to the events of RDR. Ross found Micah, traced John back to Beecher's Hope and kidnapped Abigail and Jack to force Marston into hunting Bill, Javier and Dutch, before being executed by the law himself. If John had understood what Arthur and Abigail tried to tell him (forget revenge, be a man and focus on your family), he would have lived in peace until old age or sickness got to him. But because he still didn't get it after trying so hard, because he still couldn't move on from what happened, he ultimately gets killed and Jack becomes a degenerate just like he was.That's the point of the epilogue. It's a traged. and it could have been avoided if he just listened, he was so close.
>>721521214her husband looked like a massive cuck
>>721521214>brown eyes>moles fucking EVERYWHEREI wouldn't say perfect, anon
>>721518198delete her entirely from RDR2add sex mini-game with Karen
>>721546429>If John had understood what Arthur and Abigail tried to tell him (forget revenge, be a man and focus on your family), he would have lived in peace until old age or sickness got to himHe wouldn't thoughLike, that's huge gap in the narrative.The idea that Ross and Ford could've only tracked John down because he went up that mountain to kill Micah is immensely retarded even if you suspend your disbelief.John was a literal federal prison. He settled near a large city where his face is well know and he was part of a historical massacre/robbery. Also Ross knows his face.This narrative of "ohhhh if only John didn't hunt down Micah" is one of the clearest indicators of why 2's writing is so much worse than 1's.
>>721543491>all the other elements like hunting and fishing and gambling are barebones and pointlessThat really not true. Hunting is pretty complex with the whole correct use of ammo, identifying the location, setting lures, checking the rating for the animal.Saying it's "pointless" is also pretty ridiculousIt's a videogame, everything you do in it is pointless
>>721518198Remove her from the game. Her entire character seems like some teenage girl's badly written self-insert fan fiction.
>>721549407Blackwater isn't a large city though.
>>721551037It's the second biggest city in like 5 states.It's large enough
>>721518198She needs to talk less. She got so annoying especially in the prologue when she became this insufferable bountyhunter acting like a man.
>>721525109I wanna be a better man for her.
