Nintendo disliked Rareware because britbongs making more technically impressive N64 games than their in-house devs was shamefur dispray. Conker was made as a not so subtle fuck you to Nintendo's management, deliberately being as vulgar and crass as possible (also why Conker destroys the N64 logo in the beginning, but polishes the Rare one) and it pissed off Nintendo so much they sold the company. None of this was made public of course and Nintendo still sold the game because they wanted more M rated titles and didn't want to lose face, but the true reason Rare got sold was really just petty drama.
Rare was never good
>>721538405rare carried the n64 howeverthethough
>>721537935Nintendo didn't even publish Conker. Rare self-published it. But yeah, I'm pretty sure you're right. Nintendo Power did a strategy guide for it but they weren't allowed to even acknowledge the game until around 2008.
>>721538405Correcthttps://youtu.be/mrMl6pzUMzk?feature=shared
meh. all the good rare devs already left by 2001 ish. most of the value was in its IPs at that point and M$ was a new rich player that needed recognizable studios. they probably paid out of their ass for Rare, just to get a foothold in the industry.the shameful display thing I think is overblown but who knows, maybe. Modern Nintendo would never, they love money way too much to let petty small things like that get in the way of business but "old" Nintendo before the mandate era shit - maybe
Here's one:Mario Kart World has been sabotaged by Nintendo because they're making Mario Kart 9 and it wouldn't sell at all if World had a working Grand Prix mode.In fact Mario Kart World was meant to be a mediocre game all along and the fact that it can even remotely rival the mainline titles while being a spinoff was taken as a personal affront by Miyamoto and his friends - severe mandates and restrictions came in from the head of Nintendo to gimp the release as much as possible.
>>721537935Nintendo became very interested in working with more British developers specifically because of how successful Rare was. Nintendo was in talks to publish Glover and Miyamoto wanted Glover to canonically be Mario's glove.
>>721539403buy an ad
>>721539912There's no way Nintendo can sell 2 Mario Kart games on the same console. They already tried with Mario Party and failed.
>>721537935Valve wanted to make the portal gun integral to HL3 but felt it was too complicated and needed a way too big tutorial for it. So they made Portal to work as a huge tutorial and acclimate the players to the gun. But Portal was so successful that they didn't want to miss cashing in it some more and made Portal 2. All this time between these releases made them lose the momentum to release HL3
>>721539912possible. but if MKW was only supposed to be an oppen world spin off (which we dreamt of groeing up, lets be honest) - why is there no free roam with friends mode?
>>721540550why would he buy an ad when you can just post a video on 4chan for free
>>721538405This. Banjo was one of their worst series and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>721540716Let's see what the title will be for the next Mario Kart game.I'm telling you right now my guess:title: "Mario Kart 9"console: "Switch 2"and everything with Mario Kart World will make sense then.
>>721540795Because Nintendo's sabotage wasn't just "go back to being a spinoff", it started during development and its tone was more "you're aiming too high, just be a worse game overall"
>>721537935>Nintendo was involved in Gunpei Yokoi's death, as payback for him defecting to Bandai to make a would-be Gameboy competitor for them>Nintendo wanted to wait another 5-12 months or so to release the Switch 2 honestly that recent Direct just solidified this theory for me>Bayonetta getting into Smash 4 had absolutely nothing to do with the Smash Ballot, it was entirely meant for SSBU and she was picked from the very beginning okay this one's pretty much fucking confirmed but some stupid assholes still try to cope to avoid coming to terms with the idea that Sakurai/Nintendo might have fibbed>the recent game/hardware price hikes have nothing to do with tariffs and companies are just taking advantage of their existence in headlines to justify price hikes with minimal blowback in their direction>Sony and Nintendo have been double-counting their hardware sales for years (and Sony outright pulled the last ~25-30m PS2 sales completely out of their asses) maybe Microsoft too, but it'd be hilariously depressing if the numbers we have for Xbox One/Series are AFTER cooking the books, and on a non-vidya but related note, Disney's absolutely been faking their box office pulls for a long time now too>the Playstation Vita was purposely sabotaged by Sony's American division because they saw supporting it as an unaffordable and low-priority expense in the midst of them still refloating the PS3 and getting the PS4 off the ground>really minor and autistically specific theory: Incineroar/Ken's and Simon/Richter's reveals for SSBU were swapped around
>>721537935NTA, but I would like to add that I believe Miyamoto, by virtue of his influence on the Stamper Brothers, sabotaged the development of Dinosaur Planet to save Majora's Mask. Miyamoto was already butthurt with Banjo-Kazooie fucking over Ocarina of Time, so when he tasked Aonuma to make what could best be described as DLC for OoT and he saw those damn gaijin doing the same thing but with better graphics, fully animated and voice acted cutscenes, a superior soundtrack, and helpful AI characters that the player can command, then he knew he had to sabotage it lest it absolutely massacre the Zelda series.What really sealed the fate of Rare, in my eyes, was Kameo. Pokémon was and still is Nintendo's cash cow, and for the Bongs to try and make their own that is A. unbound from portable restrictions, B. featured wonderful graphics and story, and C. actually let (You) fight alongside your monsters as either the titular fairy princess or as one of the monsters you have caught made Nintendo realize Rare is simply too much of a threat to their ecosystem. Here's Kameo's sister, Kalus, showing her hot bum for visibility.
>>721542685>I believe Miyamoto, by virtue of his influence on the Stamper Brothers, sabotaged the development of Dinosaur Planeteven though we have documented evidence of rare staff explicitly deciding to change it to a star fox game
>Nintendo disliked Rareware because britbongs making more technically impressive N64 games than their in-house devs was shamefur dispray.Thats a pretty popular theory, actually.
>>721542819I guess you believe the legitimacy of internal investigations of three-letter agencies too, huh?
>>721543075there's a difference between schizo theories and flat retardation
>>721543231Typical Nintentard cope. Keep buying Queers of the Kingdom: Nuts and Balls from your masters.
>>721544101Kameo was supposed to be a Humba Wumba spin-off
Hermen Hults is the reason Bloodborne is left to rot on the PS4. The move to Sony California was meant to be the "westernization" of the Sony brand and meant to push big AAA western IP's, Bloodborne was one of the last projects of Sony Japan. We know for a fact that he pushed extremely hard for IPs like Horizon and Concord. He does not want to make bring back Bloodborne because it would reflect badly on his creative choices for the company.
>>721545229Erm, ackshually, Kameo was supposed to be a Maya spin-off.
>>721537935>doubtit's not like conker was big in japan - never even got released therewhen nintendo is angry for real they don't hold backthey are not americans who scheme all the time and pretend and whatnotwhen nintendo is angry they sue people left and right or if that fails they start making patents or at least stop relationship with studiosbut they still bid for buying rare only thing happened is microsoft outbid them if anything they were stingy anddidn't understood the importance of rare for gamecube
The Mario Mandate was never an offical thing but there was a grain of truth in it. Miyamoto is extremely possessive of how Nintendo is presented as a brand and actively works to get rid of Nintendo employees he feels goes against that, namely Takaya Imamura and Yoshiaki Koizumi. He either aids in getting them promoted out of creative roles or puts them to work on underfunded projects he knows will flop. Koizumi has even admitted that he had to "sneak in" the storybook stuff in Mario Galaxy.
>>721540919Yeah everyone gets distracted by the better graphics with Banjo and overlook how much slower and clunkier the actual movement and platforming is than Mario 64. Conker deserves recognition just for the sheer novelty of a cartoon platformer pulling a south park though.
>>721537935Iwata was killed off by the Yakuza because he fucked up the Wii U and 3DS. They either gave him cancer or made it look like cancer.
>>721542432>Sony and Nintendo have been double-counting their hardware sales for years (and Sony outright pulled the last ~25-30m PS2 sales completely out of their asses) maybe Microsoft too, but it'd be hilariously depressing if the numbers we have for Xbox One/Series are AFTER cooking the books, and on a non-vidya but related note, Disney's absolutely been faking their box office pulls for a long time now tooI think SquareEnix totally fudges their sales numbers too. Specifically Final Fantasy, they blamed weak sales from their western devs when FF wasn't moving the needle like it needs to (all though stuff like Avengers did legitmately flop)
The Yakuza franchise has ties to the actual Yakuza and is basically meant to be whitewashing propaganda. The fact the series has cameos from irl JAV stars, an industry infamous for being run by organized crime circles, makes this very obvious
>>721547163Reminder that Nintendo was extremely autistic about how Bowser was depicted in Wreck-it Ralph. Down to the way he holds his cup of tea.
>>721542432>Sony and Nintendo have been double-counting their hardware sales for yearsAdd software sales to that, there's no way luigi's mansion 3 sold more than 10 million copies and the shitty gen 8 and 9 pokemon games doing pokemania numbers despite them both being more expensive, everyone shitting on them and having no cultural impact>>721542685I don't know man, DP leaked and it pales in comparison to both N64 zelda games and even wind waker, it feels like a cinematic sony movie game with how linear it is, lacking the openess that makes zelda games enjoyable
>>721547163After seeing Koizumi turning mario and luigi into star children/reincarnated lumas in the galaxy rereleases I kind of understand.
>>721550481Still not as bad as Miyamoto claiming Mario is 24 years old
>>721550481>After seeing Koizumi turning mario and luigi into star children/reincarnated lumas in the galaxy rereleasesfucking excuse me?
>>721545617More likely they are saving the bloodborne remake for the ps6 launch much like demons souls remake was for ps5
>>721551330>he doesn't know
Microsoft deliberately sabotaged Scalebound's development in the hope that it would destroy Platinum so they could buy them
>>721554852Then they sure got lucky with Near A Tomato doing as well as it did right after.
>>721547163More than a mandate, it's just Miyamoto trying to be or ape Walt Disney for some reason
>>721555442Kamiya has literally said that Nier Automata's success is what saved Platinum
Rareware and Shiggy deserved each other.
>>721540084that would had been funny tie-in despite making no sense
>>721537935If any of this was true Chris Seavor would've talked about it already. He's pretty open about his thoughts and has had more issues with Microsoft than he did with Nintendo.
>>721556752Rare needed Miyamoto like how a dog needs fleas.
>>721537935This is the perfect glimpse into the mind of a /v/tard>musta been... they were seethingbrilliant analysis
>>721549876good, pixar and its californian employees are fucking gay and undoubtedly would make him sip tea like a faggot to subvert expectations.never trust hollywood
>>721559221Both of them needed a dose of Hartgaurd plus
>>721559806>musta been... they were seethingYou'd be amazed how much of human history really just comes down to nothing but this, things are way dumber than you think
>>721559221>that prototype Johanna DarkOh, so THAT is why she has those weird eyes on the cover of the game
>>721560552That Joanna was for Perfect Dark Zero. This is the original Joanna Dark test model; while not the black-haired prototype model used for the NTSC cover art (the PAL cover uses a more complete model as the NTSC cover art was made before the final model was completed), this is still a very early model as can be seen with her emo-looking hair.
>>721560013>Must have been the Jews... the Germans were seething>Must have been the capitalists... the commies were seethingYou learn something new everyday.
>>721538405>>721539403>>721540919>>721547419steve posters were butthurt sonic fans projecting the years of bullying as the most insulted video game fanbase of all time into Banjo, they simply replaced Sonic was never good with Banjo was never good
>>721556752Kemono > western furfaggotry
>>721542685>Nintendo realize Rare is simply too much of a threat to their ecosystemif that was the case, why would they sell their shares to their competition?
>>721562149>furfag>furfag Japan!I bet you even believe Imamura actually designed her too. >>721562852>why would they sell their shares to their competition?Because they only had 49 percent and lost the chance to buy the rest. Imagine microsoft and Nintendo sharing Rare, they would have made even less games than they did for microsoft.
>>721537935OP is full of shit. Also Rare made Conker's Bad Fur Day because they were retards and listened to journos that complained about the original version of Conker being "too cutesy" and "for being just another 3d platformer". The result? Making a game that sold poorly and only praised by a few people who are into edgy, toilet humor.
Donkey Kong Bananza was originally gonna be a Wario game but was repurposed to tie in with the Mario movie. Hybrid Heaven for the N64 was intended as a Metal Gear title. Bernie Stolar sabotaged Sega under Sony’s payroll. The marred development cycle of Body Harvest is why Rockstar shunned Nintendo for decades. Legend of Dragoon was Sony’s Plan B in case Final Fantasy 7 stayed on the N64.
>>721559909Wreck-it Ralph wasn’t Pixar
>>721565759>they made the best game on the N64 Ftfy
>>721567362Surely you don't mean Conker.
>>721562000Why seethe about Sonic when you can coexist? besides the true enemy is the nickelodeon dlc that's taking up half of the slots
>>721550307>PokémonPokémon GO is still extremely popular and the Franchise is right now too big to fail.
>>721537935>nintendo gets rid of high quality devs who make good games, because they were mad they made good games for nintendo consolesYes, the giant conglomerate company who exists to make money is going to be petty and get rid of the people who make money.
>>721567516Chadvok and Spongebob are to Sonic Racing CrossWorlds what Fire Emblem and Steve are to Smash
>>721565759OP is too young and stupid to realize mid to late 90s were edgelord years in pop culture.Crass, vulgar, edgy is what was popular and sold well. And Banjo was family friendly, dont make 2 identical games.
>>721538405now that's a schizo theory
>>721568775Sounds like you're the zoomer because nintendo was 100% embarrassed about Conker's Bad Fur Day because it went against their entire company image. They didn't publish or market the game. It never released in Japan at all while other Rare games did
>>721549619>The Yakuza franchise has ties to the actual Yakuza and is basically meant to be whitewashing propaganda. The fact the series has cameos from irl JAV stars, an industry infamous for being run by organized crime circles, makes this very obviousI'll do you one better: Sega-Sammy as a whole is just a massive Yakuza front. Their arcades are pretty infamous in Japan for being Yakuza hangouts that can and will kick commoners out if they do as much as breathe incorrectly in them.
>>721570325tbf conker was heavily western, I don't think japs would get anything out of it.
>>721562000both sonic and Banjo were nover good, add crash to that list as well
>>721570437>Bails sega out with 695 million he has lying around>dies
>>721571073this just makes a sonic fan and a cuck you simply bend the knee and say your game isn't good
>>721571073Those are literally the only two series that made Nintendo try.
>>721570983Japs literally love the whole stereotype of westerners being edgy and swearing a lot so I bet they would have loved Conkers, it's like blacks and fried chicken jokes to them
>>721537935Rare was also engineers rather than developers, they knew the hardware better than Nintendo did, and here's a take a guy I knew posted about Rare way back: If Rare were brought on board to develop the hardware for the Gamecube, Nintendo would have been in a better spot during that time.Not having the Stamper that reverse engineered the Famicom on board with the N64's manufacturing was a missed opportunity too.
Reggie hates the Mother games on a personal level because he got filtered by the exploding trees back in the day. It came to me in a dream. >>721572443Pretty much, Nintendo selling off rare will always be their biggest fumble.
>>721572443>Not having the Stamper that reverse engineered the Famicom on board with the N64's manufacturing was a missed opportunity too\Arguably half the reason they stayed with carts was because they had Rare. They were never interested in making a "graphix max" console and still aren't. Every north american library of n64 games is half rareware games in most cases. It wasn't that they were trying to make the best games it was that they were making popular big hitters what they could for really cheap and when you have 5 people making Goldeneye you've hit a goldmine.
>>721550307I don't doubt that they did big numbers. Online user reviews are usually a pretty good indication. Those games have gotten a lot more reviews than most at Amazon and other places.
>>721573248I'm not taking graphics, I'm talking optimization. You optimize your hardware so your developers and 3rd parties can develop games for it easier. That said, Rare knew the N64 hardware but carts were a lot more expensive to manufacture. They had to move to disks eventually if money was an issue by 2000/01.
>>721537935Kills me that microsoft ruined the xbox version.
>>721551876It'll be fun seeing bloodborne get butchered by the same dev that did the demons remake.
Nintendo has never liked Retro Studios and has been on the verge of killing them for 25 years, but they always managed to avoid the axe. They gave the studio Metroid because they had zero faith in them or the IP, only problem is that Prime went on to be a big commerical and critical hit and really want the Gamecube needed at that moment. The studio's management has always been a mess but they always scraped by due to talented devs and circumstance, if Prime 4 isn't a big hit it might seriously finally kill the studio for good because they're a huge time and money sink due to said shit management
>>7215391074 of the top 10 best selling N64 games were from Rare and they had 7 games sell more than a million (which is impressive in the late 90s). Nintendo's decision to sell Rare was a retarded decision that likely resulted in them losing the US audience they had left with the N64. DK has also never been as successful as he was when Rare made DK games.
That's not really a schizo theory, in fact it's backed up by both the gigaleak and the rare replay documentary.Nintendo supported rare but after rare blew through basically every penny dkc 1 and 2 made trying to make "dream" then had to push it to n64, and then re-tooled it entirely into fucking banjo kazooie, there wasn't a whole lot of love left. They weren't super successful (mostly cause the n64 wasn't super successful, relatively speaking), and the backburner IP support titles they were tasked with making throughout the GC era (including having to recut dinosaur planet) were clearly ninty trying to squeeze whatever value they could out of them.The sale was like the most obvious choice for them ever, there were no games coming out from them, and nintendo wasn't allowing them the freedom to make new entries in existing IPs, MS did, then they tanked cause those IPs weren't popular lmao. thanks BK and perfect dark.I mean, rare basically just got relegated to kinect slop too, after Ghoulies and kameo and BK and PD failed. Killer instinct wasn't even rare, just license, and sea of thieves was really their last shot, and admittedly, though it isn't my type of game, they're doing well with it and I know lots of people enjoy it a good bit.They've never exactly been shy about their distaste for nintendo's management practices, but rare definitely had a hand in how they were treated and the selloff, Dream was an enormous project, nintendo put a LOT of money into it, just for it to get scrapped and turn into banjo kazooie.
>>721551330If you're still in bread;
>>721575521>Prime 4Prime 4 is the make it or break it title, it can't flop. Even Zelda didn't take eight years to release a title after an announcement yet.
>>721567468Yes indeed, I do.
>>721542432>Nintendo was involved in Gunpei Yokoi's death, as payback for him defecting to Bandai to make a would-be Gameboy competitor for them> Yokoi was riding in a car driven by his associate Etsuo Kiso on the Hokuriku Expressway, when the vehicle rear-ended a truck. After the two men had left the car to inspect the damage, Yokoi was hit and injured by a passing car.Yamauchi had close ties with Yakuza and the WanderSwan hardware was much better than gameboy. In time, he would develop something much more powerful and cheap, since he was the man behind the Nintendo philosophy of using old technologies in innovative ways.
>>721576303What the fuck?
>>721576902the $80 galaxy remasters have a handful of new slides in most of the endings and storytimes.
>>721540735Believable. Now imagine they add a time travel mechanic lol. Would fry people's brains.
>>721572705>Reggie hates the Mother games on a personal level because he got filtered by the exploding trees back in the day. It came to me in a dream.I'll carry the torch on for you. I love this. >it was in an anon's dream
>>721537935Kojima had Fukushima assassinated via the Yakuza.
>>721576053I could see it but it really speaks to how dumb Nintendo's business decisions were and probably why they were doomed to the same fate of Sega until Reggie gave Nintendo Blue Ocean Strategy/Innovators Dilemma to read. Nintendo sold off the company that was keeping Nintendo relevant in America. Nintendo wasn't able to pump out enough games and relied on Rare a lot. Goldeneye sold more than Zelda and was the third best selling game on the platform. They were able to pump out a ton of games. Getting rid of them because of Dream is a Sunk Cost fallacy and it explains why Nintendo so often snatches defeat from the jaws of victory
>>721576902>>721577075I suspect it's expanded lore to tie-in with the movies. Children of the Stars stuff, like from Yoshi Island DS. Try-hard lore in my Bing Bing wahoo.
>>721572705>Reggie hates the Mother games on a personal level because he got filtered by the exploding trees back in the day. It came to me in a dream.I honestly think that Reggie was literally the only one pushing, but people convinced him to hold because of the gay fairies.
>>721538405Good morning, Saar.
Nintendo just makes bad decisions constantly. Part of pandering to children is ignoring that they want to be adults. Ignoring that they enjoy Shakespeare and talent, ignoring that they play GTA. Nintendo will never make a good decision because some prostitute will cry>what about the kids, chud?and the entire subset of suits dedicated to NUMBER UP will shit themselves in wet terror.
>>721577349I disagree, the gigaleak shows just how many resources dream was taking (OOT has an estimate cost of around $40m USD, dream was at $30m USD when it was first moved to N64. LIterally one of the most expensive games of all time at that point. Well above even a lot of modern games, frankly), they were on the chopping block and being forced to use the engine they spent all that fucking money on to make other titles, and eventually that's what killed dream altogether.
>>721576053>>721577349Another realization: Dinosaur Planet getting reskinned cost them two more years of development. Leaving it as is would have been not only better, Rare would have gotten it out the door by 2001. You could be playing DP in January, Paper Mario in February and Conker in March. 2001 would have been a loaded year with those three titles back to back.They should have just ate the loss and kept DP.
>>721537935I 100% believe that Yokoi was taken out as part of a yakuza hit, because he went to Bandai to make the Wonderswan instead of retiring in shame.
>>721574039>You optimize your hardware so your developers and 3rd parties can develop games for it easierNo, you get graphics card company kickbacks for more money and tax breaks for hiring minorities to program.
>>721578349sleep snug, scuttlebug
Croc was originally a 3D Yoshi prototype being pitched to Nintendo by Argonaut Games after they got done with Star Fox on the SNES, but when Nintendo saw it they got so scared they cut them out completely and immediately got to work on Mario 64. Simply because they didn't want a western dev to upstage them with the first big Nintendo 3D platformer.This isn't my theory, this is according to Argonaut's CEO and founder Jez San.
>>721578220Starfox adventures exists specifically so Dinosaur Planet wouldn't. Rare would have made more n64 games than Nintendo were it not for some senile fuck up. They aren't allowed to have a late zelda game but actual Zelda can with MM.>>721578583They should know, they literally taught Nintendo how to make 3d games with the same cursed furshit they burdened Rare with.
>>721578220It was the inevitable failure of the DD that made them push all of their projects, depending on progress to gamecube or cart. 64 was on the way out long before that point either way but DD flopping so spectacularly in japan really made them reconsider everything.DP was an interesting one, starfox 64 was so popular they wanted to capitalize, that's why they had assault on deck. I don't know how far along the original star fox adventures was into dev, but I'm thinking basically not at all given how much of DP was absorbed.the gigaleaks informational sections are really full of some fun communications, I highly recommend you give it a once over if you're bored someday.
>>721577567you are partially right, however this issue of pandering to mostly kids comes from the gamecube days where they tried to be edgy to attract the ps2 and xbox demographic but they failed hard at it.Since then they went family friendly on the wii and found sucess, tried again on the wii u and it flopped hard.Now the switch era is where they went again as a family console but this time remembered that in a family there might be teens or adults, thats why we got oddyties like hotline miami, witcher 3 and other mature themed games on the console.Nowadays switch 2 is looking like another wii u tier disaster unless they get down their high horse.
>>721577349>Getting rid of them because of Dream is a Sunk Cost fallacySunk Cost Fallacy is the opposite of what happened here. This is more like Sony's Concord, where they tried to release a game they KNEW it was shit, because they spent so much money.Nintendo knew Rare was worthless and the biggest proof is how they failed under MS.
>>721578583>spoilersI think Dylan Cuthbert has confirmed this.
>>721577401/smbg/ lost
>>721579052This guy in particular, this is who taught Nintendo how to make 3d games on their own hardware and it was all disguised as a fucking "tech demo". How do you demo your tech when your tech can't demo without tech from others companies lol?
>>721537935Rare clearly mismanaged the fuck out of their company if they went bankrupt so easily. I can kind of get why Nintendo wouldn't want to get involved.
>>721537935>ITT: Schizo theories you can't prove but believeGunpei Yokoi was assassinated by Nintendo for leaving to work on handhelds for other people
>>721572443>Rare was also engineers rather than developersI saw a documentary about Goldeneye and I seem to recall most of team were literal nobodies before working on the game. Like they literally worked in a farm shop or something.
>>721539107Exactly OPs point, for Nintendo it was shamefur that some gaijin brits had to save their asses during that gen-
>>721579424He's kind of of responsible for the Star Fox characters too, IIRC. Miyamoto just co-opted them.
>>721580179Everything about the series reveals Nintendo's bad side, the George Lucas in him really shines with each new addition to the Saga.
>>721580179>Miyamoto just co-opted them.Dylan co-opted his daughter as payback lmao
>>721578583>>721578770>>721579052>>721579424>>721580426Absolute bullshit bong cope. At best Rare helped them learn how to really push the SuperFX chip. Nintendo was prototyping a 3D Mario on the SNES in like 94-95 IIRC
>>721580572Basado
>>721538405Yeah but it also saved Nintendo from doom. Without rare, the N64 would have been an even bigger disaster than it already was.
The Holohoax was a lie created by jews to excuse their jewishness and play the victim whenever someone criticizes their bad behavior.
>>721538405i dont like nintendo but this is a dogshit bait anon
>>721539912I honestly can't believe people aren't sick of Mario Kart and Mario party already? That shit has been stale for years, Pokemon too
>>721581207It's something you play every so often or with friends
>>721577486You're probably right although realistically the game was probably never localized due to poor timing.
>>721580601>Nintendo was prototyping a 3D Mario while rare was getting SWATTED by MI6 for having too many silicone graphics machines
>>721577486>>721581513I have always believed two things: one, Nintendo didn't want to have to localize such a cutesy looking game and have it have a T rating, and Reggie was personally offended by the "Reggie" character in the game
>>721576303this is 100% because of the fucking upcoming movie isn't it, jesus christ I knew these movies would be nothing but trouble
>>721576303>>721581696The new movies did something more insane than Mario Mario and the rest of whatever the 90's movie was cooking. Gotta respect that.
>>721577401I like the mario lore stuff. I hope they make they're gonna make a storyline from the RPGs their finale. Maybe even Geno on the big screen?
>>721582189Cast him.
>someone posted proof of Galaxy's stupid lore additions>now people have to 180 and pretend they like it
>>721581696I'm ambivalent. It's not really targeted at me. >>721582073It seems like it ultimately is going to result in being more merchsnfisable and leading to more tie-ins and spinoffs.>>721582189I don't mind when they try new things but RPG stuff seems never ever. They've even memory holed Toadsworth.Also just like the first flick, I'm sure they'll have a great brand new rendition of a classic track (Jungle Japes) replaced by some pop trash (Take on Me)
>>721537935Rare were unreliable and caused weird problems was probably the actual issue. Their developments ran long (look how long it took from Conker to be announced to Conker actually releasing), a lot of their games cannibalized first party titles (mario kart vs. diddy kong racing, mario 64 vs. banjo kazooie, and if they had stayed on there'd be grabbed by the ghoulies vs. luigi's mansion) and then there was the actual insane issues like needing to pack in an expansion pak with Donkey Kong 64 and the Stop n Swop mechanic from Banjo Kazooie needing to be aborted but it being too late in development to remove the cutscenes showcasing it in game.
>>721582373Martin Hagwell (Rawest Forest)
Online virtual card games will influence the shuffle of your deck and your draws throughout a game for engagement.
>>721583018Anyone who doesnt believe this is honestly naive and stupid. PvP games with paid skins will match you up with better players with fancy skins so youre more encouraged to buy them too
>>721537935Nintendo legitimately hates their fans. Or at least Americans.
>>721582373David Lodge
>>721583374>>721583018Don't they have patents for the tech that they use to do this?
>>721583018>Online virtual card games will influence the shuffle of your deck and your draws throughout a game for engagement.This is why I don't understand how anyone can enjoy digital "collectible card games"
>>721580572no way
>>721570437Both Nintendo and Sega are Yakuza fronts.
>>721584061Yakuza barely exists, it won't make it to the 2040s
>>721584061Actually sega owns yakuza
>>721580179Takaya Imamura was the guy who actually made the characters/universe, Cuthbert just helped name some of the characters.
>>721539701Most of the Rare devs that people know started leaving between 2005 and 2010.Those who left in the early 2000s were some people from Goldeneye / Perfect Dark.
>>721582730>a lot of their games cannibalized first party titles (mario kart vs. diddy kong racing, mario 64 vs. banjo kazooie, and if they had stayed on there'd be grabbed by the ghoulies vs. luigi's mansion) Funny enough that's reportedly the real main reason Star Fox Adventures as we know it exists today: because EAD were already wanting to make their own action adventure follow up to Star Fox 64 but it wasn't going anywhere because it was so late in the N64's lifespan and the staff were being pulled away to work on Mario/Zelda for the then-coming GCN. Fortunately for Miyamoto Rare just so happened to be making their own action adventure game with a Star Fox looking character around the same time, so that's why he convinced them to essentially combine DP and Kyoto's SFA concept into what we know today.
>>721584675More info on this from Imamura
>>721584298>Yakuza barely existsAs a criminal organization sure, organized crime only "disappeared" because it fully engrained into our society
>>721584298Somewhat corrent. It is true that the Yakuza is in decline, but organized crime will never die. They are now known as "Tokuryu" and are a different kind of criminal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokury%C5%AB
>>721540735>and needed a way too big tutorial for itYou say that like Valve didn't create a whole ass chapter just to teach you how to use the gravity gun like 40% into the game
>>721584675>>721584748>"YESSU NAMCO I ROULD RIKE YOU TO MAKE COOLEST STARFOXXU GAMMU PREASE">"But Miyamoto-san U just had Rarewaru makku Starfoxxu adventure...You haven't even reareased it!">AND I DON'T PRAN TO, I DERAY THEM AGAIN! 6 MORE MONTH, YOU GET BUSY. YOU GETTU ME ACU COMBAT DEVS!
>>721537935I can't believe it, a fucking good thread with actual discussion that's not goonslop time wasting question, "pick you're wiaifu", temmie, coco's cocos, Samus, or "OH NO NO NO NO" or "Sisters, Not like this" or "strong female characters" or "tomboy characters" or AI shit.
>>721547163>>721549876So why didn't Miyamoto give a shit about the character assassinations in the movie
ITT Britbongs vastly exaggerating their importance in the vidya industry
>>721537935Absolutely retarded
>>721585167Are you kidding? The Mario movie was the most soulless, corpo garbage ever, perfectly in line with modern Nintendo. Just an IP fever dream of references and brand power
>>721585057>ACU COMBAT DEVS!I completely forgot that's how they initially hyped up the reveal on sites like IGN. It made me assume it was going to be more grounded on not so... space-y. Which ultimately was true but I don't think they showed off a trailer for a good while where they revealed ground combat
>>721585057>>721585601The whole "it's being made by the Ace Combat devs!" thing was such a facade, the final game was just produced by a bunch of randos, some of which worked on fucking Klonoa of all things.
>>721580572What a nerd chad.
>>721537935My theory is that Iwata intended to have Sakurai be his successor but his death and the failures of the Wii U/3DS absolutely tanked any possibility of this happening - not to mention Sakurai may not have accepted such an offer anyways. They had such a good working relationship, not to mention what seems to be genuine friendship. I have no evidence, just a hunch. The guy really seems to embody a lot of Iwata's ideals or at least what he would seek in a designer.
>>721587020*designer and CEO
The reason why there hasnt been a new TES for 15 years is because Todd and company legit seethed at people liking New Vegas more than Fallout 3.
>>721537935Yeah miyamoto was seething that donkey kong country were mogging mario.
Paramount/nick is trying to make spongebob as big of a video game icon as sonic or mario
>>721542432>Incineroar/Ken's and Simon/Richter's reveals for SSBU were swapped aroundI'm really curious what makes you think this, if you happen to still be around
>>721589653Also, by proxy, paramount is attempting to make the sonic ip so dependent on them that sonic becomes an unofficial nick ip
>>721589653Why would they want sponge bob to lose popularity?
>>721585846>>721585601They were as secretive about that games development as they were about mp4. They didn't even mention Bamco was making it this time before canning it.
>>721589951They don’t, spongebob is just as recognizable of a cartoon mascot as mickey mouse and bugs bunny despite the multiple decade difference in legacy, now they want spongebob to be the same way with gaming, think about all of the game related stuff that’s happened with spongebob since the 2020s began
>>721590264Think about all the non game shit Nintendo just throws Mario shit into. They could just do that with Spongbob, they did ffs he has games already. Fucking dumb idea to "uplift" a character into videogame character status when he's already popular, it's like saying the MJ game should've be a videogame character to define his popularity.
>>721549876Reminder that Samus and Link (I think) were pitched as exclusive characters for the Wii version of Marvel Ultimate Alliance but because it was presented running on the ps2 version, Nintendo shot it down
>>721589791...that is a scary thought
>>721590615I’m thinking of it more as a “cover all bases” sort of deal, I’ve heard people who think the show fell off years ago hyped for titans of the tide. Also, mario hasn’t been doing much non gaming stuff outside of merch before the 2020s.
AAA budgets are a complete lie, considering the pajeet slop AAA is nowadays and their outrageous half billion budgets, they did not "spend" $500 million to make the game persay, but all the assets used during the development of said game are included in this "budget". They include stuff like the rent for their offices, the water bill, the CEO's salary, the price of the marketing assets they already own, etc.This is like those retarded charts of "richest men in the world", they do not have billions in the bank, they own stuff that added up amounts to billions, including unrealized gains from inflated stocks that would be worth much less if they were to liquidate them.Same story with game companies, they are including everything they would use regardless of developing a game or not. The actual net budget for the average AAA slop is probably less than 25 million
>>721590831Well, let’s look at the facts>the movies are the most successful part of the franchise right now>they’re made by paramount>we’ve had two new sonic shows since the movies>they both were put on nick https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU_MP9fIo4I>crossworlds may be the most successful sonic game yet>half of its dlc is paramount/nick characters>the most recent mainline title is shadow generations>it only exists as a tie in with the third sonic movie made by paramount, even getting dlc based on the movieIf paramount were to stop supporting the sonic ip, it’d crumble
>>721537935Yeah, the same thing happened to Hideo Kojima; Suits got threatened that their employees could basically highjack the brand from them. Japanese office workers especially don't like overacheivers.
>>721587020Even if that was the case, Sakurai likely wouldn't have taken it just like you said. He would have continued working for Nintendo if he wanted to climb the ladder but I'm sure he really enjoys the freedom of not being tied to a single company. Even if he basically still only works on Nintendo games anyway, it's not the same as being a Nintendo employee.
>>721591408The Konami situation just came down to Kojima spending way too much fucking money for MGSV and Konami themselves wanting to leave console development at the time. You can find an interview from around then where the Konami CEO said they thought mobile gaming was the future of gaming
>>721591456Anon, he's never going to another company. They won't give him the freedom Nintendo would give him and he knows it. After Air Riders, he's going right back to Smash.
I like to imagine at least one person at nintendo was really pissed after finding out about fnaf>be nintendo during 2014>last year was your worst financial year yet and it’s clear the wii u’s sales aren’t going up anytime>kick yourself for thinking anyone would be satisfied playing game where you have to look in front of you and then down at a tablet constantly>find out about this little indie game>see it’s receiving major success>already has a sequel and a third one is coming soon>the gameplay formula literally is about looking in front of you and then down at a tablet to check the cameras and protect yourself>it’s the perfect game for your system>and it’s on pc>the perfect game for your system is on fucking pc
>>721591742MGSV couldn't have been a financial issue because the game made an absolute fuckton of money for Konami. It was likely that Sony was privately communicating with Kojima about future projects (going independent, maybe?) and Konami management retaliated by shitcanning him in the last few months of the game's production.
>>721537935Most of their games had partial performance issues, which probably annoyed ninty more than anything else
>>721589759>Luigi's plunger grab was shown in Simon's reveal August), but it only makes sense with Luigi's Mansion 3 in mind, which came out later (October) between that Direct and the final SSBU Direct (November)>Incineroar's reveal montage re-uses Pokemon SwSh music that was first revealed in the August direct during the Pokeball montageProbably nothing to it, but it's just weird how there's stuff between the two Directs that would make more sense with those two sets of reveals swapped. If you want a real SSBU conspiracy: Shadow was either considered to be added as a Sonic Echo, or his Assist Trophy was purposely kept out of footage and public demos from before the November Direct (despite being a returning AT) to fuel speculation and engagement on social media, which would also apply to other ATs.
>>721537935Sakurai is the reason why Starfy is a dead franchise. He resents the character for being a Kirby rip-off and goes out of his way to make his Assist Trophy a completely while openly mocking him in the Smash Dojo and the trophy descriptions. This in turn sabotaged The Legendary Starfy's Western release because gamers weren't keen on playing a game starring Brawl's weakest Assist. Pic related is from the Starfy anniversary tweet that basically reflects Sakurai's feelings towards the franchise.>>721591456I still believe this is why he left HAL to begin with. HAL probably wanted to promote him to an executive role in exchange for less creative involvement like say Miyamoto. If it was because he "didn't want to keep making sequels" then he wouldn't keep making Smash and eventually Air Riders.
>>721592416*make his Assist Trophy a completely worthless one
>>721589653>>721590264I'd sooner say that it's their last desperate plea for relevance more than anything
>>721592638fuck you anon you are not making Pearl fappable for me
>>721592109Nintendo EPD was basically on fire at the time, i don't think they knew what FNAF was until it was already over.
>>721537935I'm /v/'s only poster.
>>721592416Starfy deserves better
>>721538405Here's a (you) faggotYou're out of your mind if you don't enjoy Banjo Kazooie. I say this as an SM64 autist, I actively play romhacks of SM64 to this day and despite that, I can concede that Banjo Kazooie is objectively better than SM64, even if it does feel a bit slower. Clunky is not a fucking argument for Kazooie because it controls fine and has no superficial fluff like Tooie.>But muh speed shoes for freeze easy peakIf you're going to nitpick that then you might as well bitch and moan about Metal cap/Invis cap for DDD in SM64on the N64 Rare delivered quality hits.Diddy kong racing, B&K, Goldeneye, Perfect dark, and Conker's Bad Fur dayMK64 faggots can suck my dick and balls
>>721591456>>721592416It's been nice seeing him yuk it up with the likes of Kamiya and Harada. I think that's the kind of freedom that the dude also wants, beyond not just being an executive. He's an eccentric dude, I hope he at least has some protégé or something. I do believe he'll always pretty much just stick to Nintendo. The furthest he's strayed from that is like... making his own video series. Clearly not a game. I wouldn't be surprised he has a number of other producers/directors on speeddial that frequently confer with one another about their work.
Yooka Laylee was a travesty. People donated to the Rare team to make a new Banjo Kazooie, then got an uninspired clone. The team take that money and immediately abandon the 3d platforming conceptI see that they are now re-releasing a supposedly better version of Yooka Laylee but I doubt it's much more than a slight graphics tweak. The goodwill is gone.
>>721538405Rare’s NES games are universally fucking horrible. So is all of their really really old shit from their Ultimate Play The Game days.The only games they made that are good are:DKC1/2/3Diddy Kong RacingBanjo Kazooie/TooiePerfect Dark (and goldeneye I guess)Conker’s Bad Fur DayThe rest are bad.
Enders Game programmed by Microsoft ceo
>>721593443can I suck your dick and balls? I don't have a race in this horse I just want to suck some cock
>>721594048>the Rare teamLiterally like two programmers, stop spouting this shit already
>>721594645Playtonic boast that this is what they are, that was the whole appeal of them in the first place.
>>721591217>>721589791...why not.Let them do it. Between SEGA not giving a fuck about making Sonic's gameplay on par with the Genesis games and all the 'fans' focusing more on loreshit and other shit that has nothing to do with the gameplay of the games, they may as well concede that they'll never make a good Sonic game again and those same fans will eat up anything they shit out.>>721592339That's not a conspiracy, that's exactly what Smash does. You reveal all the assists up front and you lose that engagement. They have to make people think a character is playable only to show them in a non-playable role. This is also why you don't see assist trophies in any of the promotional trailers or what have you; the last thing you want to do is get someone hyped up over say, pic related but only one of those characters is playable. Once they're all revealed, that's it. They don't show up again. Even Sakurai knows assists aren't important enough to be showcased alongside the playable characters, it'll make people think they're actually playable.
>>721594404Depends, Are you in London and a biological female because all trannies can do the world a favor and kill themselves and no fags allowed obviously unless you are Gachi level of gay
>>721595004it's OK im not actually a fag I just wanted some (you)s>are you in Londonno, thank fucking christ
>>721594985Didn't Alucard show up in Simon and Richter's trailer as an Assist Trophy?
>>721596073He did, for a split second, so I'll give you that one. But in the actual pre-rendered trailers, you won't see one non-playable character. Imagine if they put most of the fan favorite assists in this scene. That's what I mean.
>>721596613Doesn't foot loli appear in Byleth's trailer?
>>721542889Sega is also spiteful over western devs making better Sonic stuff. But everyone already knows that.
>>721537935Circa 2013, I made a post arguing that Watch Dogs should have Warp Records IDM on the soundtrack. I linked the following example:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjybzwxORzTo this day, I'm convinced that some Ubisoft dev had to have seen that post of mine. Because they ended up adding that exact track to the game.
>>721599031The most prominent issue with Sonic media always stems from when either the west or Japan arrogantly getting it into their heads that they alone make Sonic as good as it is at its best, when the reality is that it's always required a fusion of western fads AND eastern flair to shine, it's always been that way from the beginning.
>>721599212Fucked up the link.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvLAKrVbCBM
>>721593443 Based Banjo enjoyer. The only people who don't get Banjo are ADHD zoomers who think a game needs 600 skill trees and a 4K cutscene every five minutes. Banjo-Kazooie starts up, drops you into a charming ass world with tight level design and never holds your hand. It's PURE platforming-tight controls, iconic soundtrack, satisfying progression. SM64 is a technical marvel, sure, but Banjo just *feels* more complete. And yes, Tooie absolutely went overboard with the backtracking. Banjo 1 was lightning in a bottle.MK64 defenders are the same squad who think the rubber-banding in that game is "epic fun." Diddy Kong Racing mogged it and had a full-ass story mode with boss fights. Rare didn't miss back then.
>>721600010Everything before DD is so hard for me to play nowadays. I normally have a high tolerance factor for old-timey jank (I voluntarily played through the first two King's Field games for god's sake), but the first three MK games just feel like they get the core friction of handling completely ass backwards.
>>721602046Honestly, I still think King's Field holds up nicely outside of some awkward boss fighting in 1-3.
>>721538405but that's just a lie
>>721538405Banjo Kazooie was an actual game compared to the tech demo that was Super Mario 64
>>721594102Ghoulies > DKC3
>>721595159Newfag
>>721600010Yeah, B&K truly is lightning in a bottle. Tooie would be great if you knocked out some backtracking and replaced the mini-game bullshit with platforming. splitting the duo up was a huge mistake, even if it seemed novel on paper.That being said, B&T is still an 8/10 as far as 3d platformers go; along with SM64 as a 9.5 and BK as a 9.75
>>721557732It might have saved the game from being a frustrating mess
>>721537935Wario was sabotaged by Nintendo because of the Wii's normalfag marketing.Nintendo was more experimental in the N64 and Gamecube era, and Wario fit along with that perfectly. In fact, from 1996 to the Wii launch, Wario actually got more original platformers than Mario (Wario Land 2, 3, 4, and World. Mario only got Mario 64, Sunshine, and New DS.) But when the Wii came out, Wario was a victim of the corporate sterilization efforts. It's why Wario in Brawl has almost no references to the land games or Wario World, and is just a bastardized farting fascimile of Warioware. Shake-it was generic shit with no edge whatsoever.Warioware lost a lot of its edge, too. The new characters went from disco guys to big gruff dogs to a bunch of little girls. The artstyle went from grungy to Rhythm heaven knock-off.I don't know what Nintendo had to gain from this, BUT I SEE IT!
>>721606837Wait I forgot Mario vs Donkey Kong. Oh well that's at least a tie.
>>721578220I absolutely agree that DP was gonna get finished before long, and the change to Star Fox Adventures put the entire dev cycle to a complete standstill. When they showed it in 2000, it was already near completion, and only because that leaked build showed it was that way. They would have definitely made a holiday 2000 release, alongside Banjo-Tooie, that could have been an awesome Christmas for me. Whatever they couldn't finish could have easily been scrapped or scaled down, followed by an ending. And I don't give a fuck about what Bayliss said about the changes being better, I played Adventures and it was lukewarm, and I tried to give it a chance and cut it some slack. But that DP build showed how much was lost between the transition and Rare is one thing. The DP devs were another, and I'm sure that some of the members weren't happy with the change.>Dinosaur Planet getting reskinned cost them two more years of developmentAnd they wanted the game at launch on the Gamecube. They had to delay it AGAIN and then rush the fucking game before Microsoft brought them out. The memory card icon was Fox shaking his head, and Fox in that game to me represents Rare's attitude towards the entire situation with losing Dinosaur Planet.A smaller theory: Remember Treasure? Their last game, Geist Crusher? Capcom's incompetence at the time killed the company. Not localizing that game and its sequel was the death blow for Treasure.
Nintendo was absolutely spooked by Elden Ring and delayed Tears of the Kingdom in order to expand the concept of the depths into an entire map-spanning feature to try to one-up FromSoft after the underground sections of Elden Ring caught them totally off guard, knowing they would be compared to them.The Depths were primarily generated with AI, explaining the inverted nature and overall emptiness of them. They used what time they had to decorate pockets of them with mines and select features. I believe they spinned the "inversion of the overworld" and "lightroot where a shrine is" feature as a creative genius rather than a rush job.The "final year was spent testing and bug fixing" line is a half truth. While the Depths were being fleshed out as stated, the overworld was de-janked further to meet polish.I believe the entire final year of TotK was entirely to avoid negative comparison to Elden Ring, not for our benefit as players.It's brand loyalty from Tendies and FromDrones alike that keep us from openly discussing what I believe to be this obvious fact in good faith. As both TotK and Elden Ring suffer from bloat and overreach.
>>721608064I don't think generative AI was that good in 2022. But I absolutely agree that it got delayed because of Elden Ring. It absolutely fucking mogged TOTK, I played both and it's not even a contest.A real shame too, I like BOTW and it somewhat cozy feel a lot. Played through it 3 times.
>>721608395anon might be mixing up Gen AI with regular procedural generation, which has seen use in games for years.i know monolith once talked about how they started to use programs like houdini to make assets instead of modeling them and news outlets span it as them embracing GenAI
>>721607779i wonder if we will ever see dinosaur planet released as is
>>721608710Ah, gotcha.Yeah there's no way those grey lumps were all handmade. That underworld was so blatantly just sharted out with a machine and then given some manual adjustments so Link doesn't clip out of bounds.
>>721540919This thread is about schizo theories, not totally stupid opinions. Unless your utterly indefensible taste is because you're schizophrenic.
>>721577486It probably was music Jews that would stop it. The music usage goes beyond homage and parody. Even if the trannies were removed that's another problem that can't be resolved easily.
>>721539912>>721541250Mario Kart World is Mario Kart 9 you fucking retards.
