Was Kingdom hearts 3 really that bad?
yes
yes Osaka team a shit
>>721602728i tried to play it twice and dropped at the toy story world both timeseither the game is shit or they took so long to release it that i grew out of it
yeah, and it was a betrayal in script writing too in how they wrote themselves no way to incorporate squeenix characters. its not ONLY supposed to be a disney rep game. and the gameplay itself didnt iterate enough to be an evolution of systems, felt a lot less like you were engaging the enemies in combat action and more like you were just doing stuff to/at eachother.
It had giant fuck huge areas instead of tightly designed levels. KH4 looks like it's repeating the same mistake.
>>721602728I don't remember any of it
>>721602728I was having a great time until it was like big hero 6 world back to back with pirates of the caribbean world. I got burnt the fuck out and still beat the game, but had to take some time off prior to finishing the platinum
>No Squall, Cloud, or SepirothYes
it felt like a sequel to birth by sleep aka the gameplay was assboringbunghole but serviceable to sell a few plot points. I wanted to play a Kingdom Hearts 2 sequel. Nothing happened the whole game and your character regressed as all of your activities are ancillary until the end and evil still you get talked down to the whole time like a retarded little baby man despite Sora carrying most of if not all of both the actual work and emotional labour, 80% if im being generous
>>721602728Kingdom Hearts was never good.People say FF12 was the beginning of the end.But I emphatically believe that KH was the beginning of the beginning of the end.
the tonal whipash and neglect of the balance between disney and final fantasy stuff fucked the whole game investment for me. we better get a whole squeenix IP world or two to compensate in KH4. disney is not more important than the squeenix stuff.
>>721602728Yes
95% of the game is spent narratively wandering, wondering what to do next. The final 5% of the runtime are 50 different plot threads coming to a mostly unsatisfying denouement. Yes, nigga, that shit was awful.
>>721603136Don't kid yourself, only 1 has tightly designed levels. 2 is just empty hallways with heartless arenas.
all kh has the same problem: the world is empty, there's no main city full of dumb npcs to fulfill your loneliness
>announced way to early>they didn't want to work on it>changed game engines for no reason>claimed that the world's will be full of people>disneyworld rides as attacks>ditch the drive system for the bbs command styles>HARD CORE PARKOUROh yeah, it was shit. The game franchise peaked at 2.
>>721604112which is why 1 is the best game in the franchise
>>721604112One had tight designed levels whereas 2 focused on speeding up the combat, which is did. Shame we couldn't get a mix of both.
>>721604463>>721604202three wouldve been a marvel if they managed to synthesiz the gameplay flavorings of 1 and 2, ideally utilizing whatever few novel gameplay additions were introduced from the handhelds, such as (but not necessarily) the shotlock & flowmotion stuff that carried over.
>>721602728storywise everyone wanted it to be a final definitive ending but it ends on a bullshit cliffhanger that will never get resolved because square is going bankruptgameplay wise its floaty as fuck, square has made ps1 games with more satisfying combat
>>721602728No, it's better than 2 and I'm so fucking tired of pretending otherwise
>>721602728It was fucking hot garbage. ReMind didnt fix shit but give you a fucking menu option to play that section. You need heavy amount of mods to fix the movesets and combat physics but the actual full experience cannot be salvaged (shit levels sans Toy Story, horrible writing and story, terrible voice direction and pacing, recycled OST etc)
>>721604669to help fill in some of the gaps between the two appeals*
>spends more time adding new plot points intead of tying up loose ends>ending is an absolute kick in the balls just so they could set up a sequel
The only Kingdom Hearts games are 1, CoM, and 2 though? What's this talk of games on mobile devices and 3?
>>721604881It's incredible how BBS and DDD shit on the story of 1 and 2 in order to build up 3, just to give up on 3 because they got bored and wanted to make the next game instead. This series is dead.
>>721604885Considering those 3 games were made by most of the original squaresoft team of combat designers, writers and leads before Enix pushed them out, yes. KH is just 3 games and the quality drop off after was substantial.
ive always seen parallels between KH and MGS for some reason and im imagining an alternate universe where their third titles were swapped in impact, relevance, and reception. KH3 is like having a reality where MGS3 was handled by the Twin Snakes team to me.
>>721602728>bad pixar style art direction with dynamic lighting vs. comfy cartoon art direction with baked lighting>osaka team combat and balance>retarded plot even by kingdom hearts standards>introduce more plot holes>mobile game throwbacks nobody played>was epic exclusive for long time>disney attractionsOnly redeeming factor is remind dlc with yozora. KH should have ended in KH2 and the spinoff games should have never seen the light of the day.
>>721605201To be fair only KH1 manages to blend disney well into the main plot. They already sidelined disney stuff in KH2 and after that disney stuff was completely background fan service.
>>721604473It’s not even a good Disney fanfiction since all the Disney stuff isn’t allowed to interact with each other
>>721605292>only KH1 manages to blend disney well into the main plotWhich youtuber did you get that opinion from?
>>721602728Fuck you I liked it. 1 is still the best though. Fuck 2.
>>721605346My own fingers. Can you give actual rebuttal?
>>721603012>either the game is shit or they took so long to release it that i grew out of itYou probably grew out of Disney. Long dev times makes growing out of a series an even bigger problem for Kingdom Hearts. I have never seen Frozen in my life, or even the fucking second and third Pirates of the Carribean movies. I sure as fuck dont care about the menstrual bleeding chunk immigrant movie or hawain rock movie. Disney movie worlds are only going to make me feel even more out of touch now that they used Toy Story and Monsters Inc and I'm a huge fan of the entire series. Like every fucking game except the gacha and even then I loved the gachas story.
>>721604112It's insane to me that 2 was the one that introduced the minimap
>>721605606There would've been so many disney classics to still adapt from. But I get they want the younger audience.
>>721602728Kingdom Hearts 2 was so bad that I didn't play it
>>721605478Sorry I'm more of a retitties guy than a rebuttal guy.
>>721605201What really sucks is Sora spends most of the time wandering around Disney worlds to see how to get Kairi.Turns out Sora always had Kairi and never needed to learn or train how to get her back.Horrible waste of time bullshit. No I don't care if some Disney character shows up in a Disney World because even the characters in-universe said that "Disnsu members showing up in Disney worlds are filler trash!" True story of Kingdom Hearts 2 begins after clearing all the Disney Worlds, only the final ten percent of the game is the true game itself.
>>721605673Did it really need it, though? You'd have to be a drooling retard to get lost in kingdom's hearts 2.
>>721604473Yeah old fans got screwed over hard with dumping the entire plot into the last worlds. A lot of the boss fights were terrible 5 minute small skirmishes then cutscene. Several plot lines across multiple games since COM getting resolved and a gacha game like wtf? I kinda wish ReMind did something more than just another End game boss rush mode. I don't hate the boss fights they're extremely hard but wish it wasn't just rehashing Kingdom hearts final mix again.
>>721604878>>721604751>>721604473Hi yanderefag
>>721605809agreed, it didnt realy need that shit at all. if anything it exacerbated the hallway feeling by lifting the veil and highlighting it on your screen.
>>721605690The fucked up thing is most worlds in KH3 were old. And the newest world in KH3 was a few years older than the newest worlds in 1 and 2.
>>721605809That's why it's insane I actually loved getting lost and exploring in KH1. I tend to not care about action combat games so I kinda got fucked. Luckily I love insane jrpg plots and the movie Dark City.
>>721606005Reminder yanderefag is only like this because he thinks Nomura should only do what he wants like his edgy scaly shota fetish porn because yanderefag is a shotacon. He wants Nomura to die unless he does exactly what he says. That's why we call him yanderefag
>>721605859This image is ironic considering nomura's going to retire. He's going to live bitter rest of his life ranting in izakaya's how he never got to make FFvsXIII
>>721606179I'm so happy I don't know what half the words in your post mean. But sadly I read the 500 page google doc dream theory
>>721606183I don't think he'll ever fully retire. Kitase's older and hasn't discussed it yet. Matsui and Ishii told him not to retire either I think?
>>721606183>This image is ironic considering nomura's going to retire.No shit he is going to retire. What did you think he was going to do?
>>721606048They wanted to get Toy Story in KH1 but couldn't for some reason
>>721604881I actually really like the ending because it's basically the opening to KH1. >Sora has a trippy mindfuck dream>But everyone is happy on Destiny Islands >Sora meets a mystery nigga>Sora Kairi and Riku disappear when their world gets destroyed >ends up in a whole new world most people never knew about >Everyone is happy on Destiny Islands>Sora disappears, Riku goes after him>Sora has a trippy mindfuck dreams and meets a mystery nigga>Wakes up in a whole new reality no one knows anything about
>>721602728Yeah, it ruined everything and the forced gacha lore didn't help
>>721603248This. Knowing there aren't any returning Final Fantasy characters just kills all motivation I otherwise might have to play the game. I don't care what their reasoning behind it was, it's retarded no matter what and makes me not even want to consider it a Kingdom Hearts game.
>>721606279>I don't think he'll ever fully retire. Kitase's older and hasn't discussed it yet. Matsui and Ishii told him not to retire either I think?Don't forget, Sakaguchi also hasn't fully stepped away. Nomura is also fond of involving himself in projects his staff lead. TWEWY, SoP and NEO are the biggest.
>>721606663Nomura hasn’t made a fun game since KH2, he’s fucked Squeenix into this dogass actionrpg genre and if getting clowned on by EXP33 didn’t wake him up, nothing will.
>>721606410Its because Pixar wasnt full on Disney at the time. Al's Toy Barn was the world icon too. Disney are fucking pricks and cuck Nomura so much I dont know how he hasn't just left square by now having to deal with both their shit. They still wouldnt allow him to use Pixar for 3 until he demanded it then they made dudes in army suits dance around him...
>>721602728it was fucking SHITdefinitely not worth the 10 year wait
>>721606840TWEWY
What was the fucking point of hypying muh guardians of light when they all jobbed? Muh 7 lights vs 13 DARKNESSES sounded so cool the first time but it was shit, pure hot steamy shit. Like come the fuck on, you just needed to copy the Radiant Garden war instead of making everyone job without a single good showing
>>721606970Oh yeah that did come out after, okay since TWEWY then. I didn’t like NEO
Was missing a fair number of things.>a middle point akin to KH2 Big Climax in Hollow Bastion>more than one mini game times three for Winnie the Pooh>Hollow Bastion/Radiant Garden is only visited in the DLC, and only Merlin's small room>playable guest characters that you only play once or twice, can't change their magic shortcuts, and can't use them outside of their playable sections outside of mods>maybe one or two more Disney Worlds, it could be a shorter one>more variety in the spells (Fire and Water being bullet like magic, Thunder and Aero being AoEs, etc. make magic feel less compelling to use)>too many small gameplay bits that must've eaten into development time like the game and watch games that took away from the development time>too many plot threads that are rushed so they can wrap up some things, not really given time to breathe and take it in>lots of work on stuff like Big Hero 6's map that you barely fully explore unless you're looking to get all chestsAdd on top of the fact they weren't transparent about KH3 not being worked on until later, and you get something several people were disappointed about. DLC helped, but I think it still has too many weak points. I softened on 3 a bit, but they really needed to give it more dev time.
>>721604881I hate the people that always chime in to say that KH3 wasn't ever going to be the last game. People know that since Nomura even talked about it before the game released. The core problem that they fail to address is that it was supposed to be the end of the Xehanort Arc, and left too much in the air and didn't really focus down on making sure the other plot points wrapped up nicely either. Also doesn't help that Dark Road was supposed to be done before KH3, got delayed, and then became the actual finale, and nobody really cares about the lore that hard outside of the diehard fans. Hell, you would need to watch YouTube videos of the mobile cutscenes of the games they pulled the plug on anyways since nobody on the team cares if anyone actually understands the story anymore.
>>721602728As someone said before in /v/:Kingdom Hearts 1: mediocre gameplay, great writingKingdom Hearts 2: great gameplay, mediocre writingKingdom Hearts 3: mediocre gameplay, absolutely dogshit writing
>>721606840Has nomura even been involved in games other than TWEWY/KH outside of being main concept / character artist. I know "NOMUUURAAA" memes are a thing but what's the reality.
>>721608374>Kingdom Hearts 1: mediocre gameplay, great writing>Kingdom Hearts 2: great gameplay, mediocre writingThis is how I viewed 1 and 2 when I was 13 and that was 19 years ago.
Inspired to continue my 100% journey by this thread. Fuck CoM though, that'll be last in a few years. No idea where I left off in 2.
>>721609053CoM was horribleIf you don't cheat it takes like 10+ hours to level both sora and riku to max level even if you have done everything else beforehand
The story conclusions I'd been waiting for for over a decade just came and went like checking boxes, and the cutscene direction is stilted loveless garbage compared to KH2>Roxas falls from the sky and reunites with Axel & Xion. GOOD ENDSure there's technically more going on but all the biggest story beats land like a bag of mud, and with the DLC all the attention is put on the ethereal vague shit setting up the mysteries of the next game or establishing lore that completes the super duper important stories of the mobile games They prioritized poorly and made the story about as unsatisfying as it could be, even defeating Xehanort is a huge meme as he peacefully floats into heaven with Mark Hamill.
>>721609275Don't forget the stories of each world being absolute dogshit and practically not including Sora and the gang. They're just there
Yes.>unreal>colliseum is gone>no FF characters becaue Nomura doesn't understand why people liked the series ("Kingdom Hearts was never supposed to be a crossover between Disney and Final Fantasy")>attractions>Disney mandating that they put Let it Go in their game in its entirety because Frozen 2 was coming out soon>but don't let Sora interact with Elsa at all because boys are icky to the Frozen fanbase and the director hates them>story is awful>giant levels that are empty>Sora sounds like shit because Osment can't sound like a teenager anymore>heavily refernces a game you can't play anymore because mobage bullshit>combos feel bad>enitre game is people gaslighting Sora into thinking he's retardedThat's fromt he top of my head.
I don't get whats wrong with japanese developers. It's like they don't realize their career and life is on a timer. Is Nomura fucking deranged making the KH xenahort saga last as long as it did? And we are still apparently not moving on from Sora, he's still our MC in 4. Takahashi is doing the same bullshit with xenoblade too, he wants to suddenly interconnect all his games to a greater extent. They don't have the time to be doing this shit, games aren't anime or manga they don't come out as fast.
>>721611007Sora isn't smart and a bit naive, but he's not retarded. In 3 he has multiple times where he goes "DUUUU I don't know how to do this because I'm stupid ahahaha" even though he did it in previous games without issue.
>>721609275>unsatisfying>this whole threadYou act as if stories only exist to give you what you want.
>>721602728No, it's a good game and one of the best games in the series.But it doesn't hold a candle to the masterpiece that is KH2FM and the sovl kino that is KH1.The story kinda sucked too and many people play these games just for that.
>>721611007>>721611283>>721611007>>721610629>>721611554Sounds like yanderefag's samefagging again so he can force everyone to agree with him lolPedophiles like yanderefag make me sick
>>721611770>>721611554Lmao quit seething yanderefagGame developers don't exist to give you what only you wantYou belong in the mass graves with all the other scaly shotacon pedophile faggots (aka you will die alone)
Justapancake confirmed deadIt's over
>>721611770>Final Fantasy VersusIsn't that the only reason why you post in these threads? Because you fellate Nomura's vaporware game? Even the Versusfags moved on to XVI because of how similar it was. Or are you trying to get other yanderefags like you to show their fetish? Oh wait...
>>721611973He'll never be her, anon.There's a better -fag out there.
>>721602728No but it's extremely disappointing though.Disney Worlds are fucking lame when characters aren't allowed to fuck with things.
