>better destruction than Battlefield>better movement than COD>better weapon variety than most shootershow did those swedes do it?
>>721615814If its so much better why does no one play it
>>721616558>original ip>lack of marketing>genuine skill issuethese are the main reasons
>zoomerslop
>>721616558like half of it is marketing (nobody really understands what the finals is, and the character aesthetic/realistic arenas make it look like any other east asian F2P shooter)the other half is that it's kind of an autism game lol>high mobility>high TTK, you have to be good at tracking >strong 3D situational awareness is critical to winning (a lot of shooter players still complain when maps have verticality and you have to consider verticality with a ton of moving parts involved)>cashout is a weird-ass mode that punishes you heavily for playing it as a mindless shooter and gunning primarily for kills, which casual shooter players don't like>cashout is also asymmetrical to the point of being "random," which competitive players hate
>>721615814Skinner box for zoomers
>>721616915Oh yeah, the third parties and terrible spawn system are abysmally dog shit
>>721615814you forgot the extremely homosexual lore>they arent actually killing each other its le competition/sport/game show
>>721617087their goal for the game was to make gameplay very dynamic and improvisational and having 3-4 teams in the mix achieves that. would be way more straight-laced if you were just dodging one team and not potentially three of them
>>721616558the only game mode is 3v3v3 super sweaty competitive, so it's not actually fun for most people
>>721615814because they actually believe in what they are making, I know we are all jaded and cynical here but I've been following since the beta and its the first time in a long time where it feels like the devs play their own game and understand what's fun about it. Unfortunately turbonerds who care about competitive viability stick to autism games like CS where they can memorize 100 nade throws and play the same round over and over again. If they leaned more into the casual side of this it would do way better. It still gets upwards of 15k players a day on Steam alone, not bad for a side project. The game also takes time to learn, there's a million gadgets and zoomers can't bare losing to something they haven't wrapped their head aroundarc raiders is going to be GOTY btw
>>721617521they genuinely understand what's fun about it more than their playerbase who are confused why the best team doesn't win every time in the game about every match being unpredictable
>>721617521I can't wait for arc raiders. I missed the first few betas but I've watched a good amount of gameplay on YouTube and it just looks so fun. I'll definitely be playing the beta in October.
>>721617292The thing that makes all of that fall apart is the e-sports level balancing of the gunsgoing off meta is a death sentence and you are forces to run famas if you want to win because the other guys will go meta and win.It would be more fun if everything was op like in season 1The sheer chaos of cashout would be understandable if it was an all out rampage where you shouldn't expect to win, just have fun, but you need to focus too much on out sweating your opponents so you don't wait in a long ass respawn that kills any chance of stealing
>>721617087the ranked mode is a lot more static and predictable. spawns are way less of an issue and third partying is less of a problemits always 4 teams so you generally are doing two 1v1 unless a team decides that is a bad idea for them.the game gives players a lot of room to maneuver strategically beyond just be the best person at taking a gunfight. being able to defend well, get to a cashout before the team with the box and setup to gank them, good executes to steal cashouts, selecting which cashout to go for based on the location and enemy players, or plenty of other factors make often not just about being good at shooting.but then the game wants you to be REALLY good at shooting to kill people without assistance or other forms of setup or damage.
>>721617774>>721617292I forgot to add, every new addition to the finals goes away farther and farther from what the finals was originally aboutInstead of improving cashout, they're adding more 5v5 modesThey added power shift, tdm, head2head, cashabal, all modes that aren't what the finals was aboutI wish they would mix up the 3v3v3 formula they already have with more whacky shit like rpgs for everyone or something like that
>>721617571virgin:>spend an entire round of power shift sitting in spawn with a sniper rifle>never use glitch nodes>never use portals>miss 90% of shots>steal kills via bodyshots>lose the game with 0 obj score and 12 kills>"wtf matchmaking is ass how did I lose this game isn't competitive at all"Chad:>pick heavy>take goo gun and flamethrower>ground pound the platform>trap enemies in goo and burn them to death>6 kills, 1800 obj score, 4000 support score>""gg"
>>721616558Skill issue, Not memeing.When Targets like the Light class can dash around at Mach 3 it's overwhelming for the average gamer. Plus cheese like invisibility, plus cheese like winch claw. You have to not only shoot well but devise counterstrategies for all the cheese. The average shoottard just wants to point and click , that's why COD and BFSlop is so popular.
the game is solid, now if only the characters were cuter i'd probably play it morei love how creative i can get during shootouts
>>721616915One of my friends at the time who I would play with (we pretty much always played in the same 3 man) would exclusively try to play it like a traditional shooter and he clearly never grasped the cashout mechanic and would start a lot of shit because of how we played.he always just wanted to wait for the "right" moment to do something, which for him was killing the entire enemy teams he would just wait and wait and wait, sitting there doing nothing, until someone would wander in and he wanted to do this over and over until all the enemies were dead. except people respawn to fast, the cashout would be ticking down, and he would just want to sit there doing nothing.always made a big deal out of us trying to get him to actually make plays instead of being so passive but he insisted we didn't know what we were talking about, when we actually followed what he wanted to do we would always lose, constantly, because he just wanted to sit there effectively doing nothing. he wouldn't even want to challenge if we had the cashout and were getting pushed.He isn't good at CS or anything slower like that, I don't even understand why he got this in his head, he used to play a lot of cod as a teenager, and then just basically just BR's and I have to assume he was BR brained and couldn't play any other type of shooter anymore.was crazy to witness
>It's another lights sitting on a building 600 kms away 2 shotting you and cloak evading every time you and any other team chasesfucking nigger cunts, bitch faggots fucking fuck FUCK FUCK
>>721618089Is it a skill issue, or are some specializations and gadgets just anti-fun?
>>721618179I had a similar experience>introduce friend who plays ARMA/Squad/CS2>explain the basics and what to expect>he keeps picking medium AK and sitting ontop of buildings 100m away trying to tap headshots>complains the game is too overwhelming after attempting no other playstyle and ignoring advice>goes back to sitting in server queues in Squadyou cant force fun on people I guess
>>721618179This game really is quite the IQ filter. Witnessing how some of your friends or randoms think is really staggering
its the only pvp fps game i come back to regularly right after team fortress 2, theres simply nothing quite like it. wish i could enjoy world tour/ranked though, i only ever solo queue and its pretty miserable experience when you're up against 3 stack rubies. and i DO think its the superior gamemode over quick cash
y did they have to fuck the model so hard like that?Can't should in the middle of reloading shells, are the devs braindead? I just want a shotgun on medium that isn't a complete wet fart to enemy hp
>>721618179being passive to avoid getting jumped is what you need to do in cashout but only to a point lolyou need to find a way to contest somehow if some guy is just sitting on the point, and you need to take safe picks where you're able
Anyone else love the shittiest guns in this game?Kills with the KS23 or MGL make me goo
the game would sell if it had coomer skins
>>721617178This doesn't need to be homo
>>721619193I don't disagree.Trying to find a chance with your team to jump someone, or setup the enemy team to fight, figuring out not just what your opportunities are, but how you can create them.I like the finals, I like how varied it is and how relevant the situation is to what you need to do and what your team should be doing. a lot of it is just being able to coordinate with what your team is doing and making that work.The game simply isn't about trying to lock down a room and hide in it until you kill all the enemies.
>>721615814>better destruction than Battlefieldnot only better but its serverside, it's incredible that it's the only game with actually good multiplayer destruction physics in 2025 when we all played Red Faction: Guerilla back in the day and dreamed of what could be. its such a slamdunk feature I cant understand why no one else has done it.
>ai voice slopShan't be buying.
>>721615814>dead people turn into coins>the setting takes place in a big arena, it's all a show>lack of aesthetic identity>high time to killI'm sure it's a good game but it's not for me.
>>721619989>I cant understand why no one else has done it.skill issue. Tech is difficult, and the actual smart boomer coders are retiring/dying. Finding high IQ high skill millennial and zoomer programmers is very difficult. We are products of mass education.
Thoughts?
has anyone ever experimented with "cashbox rollouts?"basically the idea of doing a setup to move the cashbox extremely far, extremely quickly during a moment where it would be difficult for teams to pursue it without exposing themselves, wasting their timeI feel as though this would take a lot of setup and would not work if the other team knew you were going to do it but I'm amused by the thought and think moving the cashbox should be something people fuck with more than just yanking it into the open so it's annoying to take
>>721620467It's amazing that Embark are literally the ONLY western gamedevs that knows how to work with Unreal Engine. Western gamedevs will be officially below Pajeet tier when they're gone.
>>721620490more obnoxious than threatening but that's the literal point
>>721620490When the enemy uses it it is cancer, when I use it its worthless
>>721620641being forced to work with the abomination that was frostbite for so strong probably turned them into wizards
>>721620490It was my main weapon, but I stopped playing a few seasons ago. I hear they nerfed it recently?
>>721621407it got buffed, everyone realized it existed and then it got reaction nerfed a little while later. to be honest I haven't noticed much difference at all because the counterplay remains the same
