Anyone feel like there's a particular crusade against the "and he gets a girl at the end" element of the Hero's Journey in video games nowadays?
Getting a girl isn't an element of the Hero's Journey.
>>721623220That's misogynistic chud. Problematic much? Yikes, you've given me the ick.
>>721623220Yeah because the "oooh I saved a girl with like two lines of dialogues and 0 personality and now she loves me!" trope is so compelling.
>>721623220>nowadays
I can't remember the last time the hero got the girl at the end.
>>721623220We need a crusade against a hero's journey
>>721623220When subverting the expectations becomes the norm, the subversion is the expected.
I knew Nintendo was dead when they started this shit with Odyssey.
Who knew that a horrifically sexist stereotype is less palatable in modern times?
>>721623220No, not really. That's still 99% of games.
>>721623220BG3, one of the biggest modern releases, has a bunch of endings that are literally this
>>721624537>horrificallyAh yes, a woman falling for a handsome heroic man is truly a terrifying, a horrifying fate worse than death. You people are utterly lost.
>>721624551name 5 from the last 10 years
>>721623220Yes. It's because women complain about it, not wanting to be "saved". But at the same time they totally do want to be saved in real life. Thus making their complaints performative and they should be ignored.
But there are still tons of games being released that have that kind of thing.Honestly, I have the opposite feeling where there are too many games that shoe-in a romance when the plot really doesn't need it. Especially shit in those games where the MC has a fixed love interest, and if you're not into her like the MC is, then tough shit you're stuck interacting with her 90% of the game while actual best girl kicks rocks on the side.
>>721624684NTAThe sexist part is not the man saving a woman part. It's the woman being a 'reward' for a man acting heroically, a trophy.
>>721624108>>721624537fat women detectedI know it sucks seeing your friends turn into Bond girls while you're stuck as Moneypenny, but you don't have to be so salty about it
>>721624696I cant even name five games that came out in the last 10 years.
>>721624172metro last light/exodus
>>721624816Tbh what's actually wrong with it? That's a mutual gain for both parties involved and reinforces the need for men to act. When you don't have this, you just get the shittiness of modern society.The only fear of women for women in this is a Shrek scenario where they're afraid some fat guy is going to save them.
>>721624816yeah, because women would never instantly fall for heroic handsome chad, right?give me one instance where hero is an ugly, or even mediocre man and woman instantly have sex with him
>>721624789>Especially shit in those games where the MC has a fixed love interest, and if you're not into her like the MC is, then tough shit you're stuck interacting with her 90% of the gameTales of Arise was painful for me because of this. Fucking hated the main girl, but the others were cool.
>>721624789Celica is such a massive retard and I wanted her to die. Not like Alm was an engaging character that deserved better, but good lord did I not like her.
>>721623220it's lazy and boring and only used by shit writers who don't even want to bother thinking of any other way to drive the story forward
>>721624963>Tbh what's actually wrong with it?Because it treats women as objects to be won. It's not that difficult to figure out, buddy.>>721624991>yeah, because women would never instantly fall for heroic handsome chad, right?Oh they do, in fiction written by men that is.>woman instantly have sex with himWhy is the 'instantly' an important part?
>>721624816If the relationship between the savior and saved individual is established beforehand there's nothing wrong with this. But some SMB1 type shit wouldn't fly today in anything other than old school evoking indies because that's just being a lazy/shit writer.
>Game has a romance subplot>The romance is garbage
>>721625305>But some SMB1 type shit wouldn't fly todayThat's what people mean when they complain about the 'damsel in distress' trope.There's nothign wrong with a rescue romance. But it needs to be, you know, a romance, where both characters have personalities and some sort of chemistry. If it's just "He's a boy, she's a girl, can I make it any more obvious?" then it's trash.
>>721624108>two lines of dialoguesWife material
It implies that she owes him sex for saving her.That's a super ICK
>>721625260So it's the symbolism that upsets you rather than the utility
>>721624816But it's a reward for the woman too. Saving the girl and then living happily ever after is hard wired into our monkey brains and both sexes enjoy it. Romance novels written by women have chads saving the day and taking the girl in more ways than one.
>>721623220That's been a thing for DECADES bro. Used to be you saved the girl she at the very least gave you a kiss, if not a fuck. Now the hero is just supposed to risk his life for nothing.
>>721625260>Oh they do, in fiction written by men that is.so no woman ever had sex on a first date?>Why is the 'instantly' an important part?because if it's not insantly, then she's "giving an ugly guy a chance", as roastoids use to say, I dare you to give me TWO examples of hot damsel in distress rewarding her average joe savior with sexalso, the actual reddit spacing tells me you're from reddit, and possibly r/gcj as well, which tells me everything I need to know
>>721623220>congrats, now you have to live with a wömanwhy do yuo think that this is a good thing?
>>721625676>so no woman ever had sex on a first date?Where do you think you are?
>>721623220I wouldn't be able to tell you, I haven't played a solo "story oriented" game in over 15 years because I just can't tolerate the writing anymore.
>>721625539It doesn't upset me, it's just boring as shit.>>721625601>Romance novels written by women have chads saving the dayIf it's a romance novel then 9 times out of 10 the perspective character is a woman, which gives her far more 'screen time' and relationship with the man than any damsel in distress shit in vidya.>>721625676>I dare you to give me TWO examples of hot damsel in distress rewarding her average joe savior with sexI don't even know how that's relevant to this discussion.> the actual reddit spacing tells me you're from reddit, and possibly r/gcj as well, which tells me everything I need to knowI just like having my arguements organized. If it annoys you, it's a nice bonus.
>>721625260Men and women ARE objects, very complex objects with hopes and dreams, but still fucking objects. Whoever coined objectification was really spinning you retards for a loop.
>>721625305Super Meat Boy was about as light as you can be on story, and even that game still had a bit of story as to why you'd want to rescue the girl. I don't think there's any excuse for not at least having some basic romantic writing unless you're intentionally going for an old feeling game or you're trying to do something like Castle Crashers where the generic princess save and kiss is subverted for a punchline/twist.
>>721624247"The hero's journey" is jewish propaganda. Not even joking. Look it up. Joseph Campbell isn't jewish but "the hero's journey" is a bastardisation of his work distributed in bullet point form by a hollywood executive.
>>721625839>If it's a romance novel then 9 times out of 10 the perspective character is a woman, which gives her far more 'screen time' and relationship with the man than any damsel in distress shit in vidya.Oh so now it's lack of character development that is the problem and not winning the girl at the end for a heroic deed? k
It just feels transactional and insincere
>>721625968I already said it's not the rescue romance that is the problem, it's using the woman as a reward and nothing else. It's not romantic if the two characters have no relationship or chemistry.
>>721623220I don't know about a crusade against it, but I do think it's boring as fuck to do that nowadays. If you want to put a romance in the game, put in the effort to make it an actual romance.
>>721625839>man sees beautiful woman simply existing, instantly fall for herperfectly fine, women are queens and should be treated as such>woman sees handsome man risk his life to save hers, instantly fall for himAAAAAAAAA I'M GOING INSANE, SAVE ME R/GCJ I NEED TO TRIPLE MY ESTROGEN DOSAGEI know two examples of women being saved by ugly men, and guess what, neither jumped in their arms immediatelyin Shrek, they spent entire journey home knowing each other and only got her in the end because she was "ugly" tooin Hunchback of Notre Dame, Quasimodo saved Esmeralda's life and she still chose Chad instead
>>721624108It's better than now, which is literally nothing. doesn't even have to be a girl. could be fame, or wealth, or riches, or if it's not something physical, why not something spiritual? Killing the Boss in MGS3 is one of the best moments in games, and you get Eva out of it. Who is as much of a cardboard prop as anything else in that game. But it's worth it because Eva gives Snake the answers he was looking for about why the Boss defected. Games now don't know how to have payoffs or writing, they've fallen for the same trap hollywood fell into that made all of their movies boring where there's no payoff to anything because people are terrified of falling into this trope.
>>721623220Modern society likes to think that damsels shouldn't be considered a prize to be won, but they rarely consider the possibility that you're probably not even going to like the girl you saved anyway. We're hardwired to think by all these stories that we'll live a happily ever after once we rescue the damsel, get laid and have a bunch of kids, but what if she just turns out to be quite the massive unlikable bitch in the end? What if she cheats on you?
I don't care about getting the girl, I care about conquering evil.
>>721623340Sounds like you have more research ahead of you.
>>721626056>It's not romantic if the two characters have no relationship or chemistry.Why does it need to be romantic?
>>721626464>But it's worth it because Eva gives Snake the answers he was looking for about why the Boss defected.Doesn't that prove anons point though? Saving Eva is more interesting because she serves a purpose further than just being the girl the MC gets for beating the game.Meanwhile, saving Zelda at the end of most old Zelda games feels like nothing.
>>721624247It's retarded.Explain to me how the Hero Journey applies to, say, the Iliad, the story of King Arthur, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, etc.
>>721626638Show me where in Joseph Campbell's writing he specifies getting the girl at the end.
>>721625305I'll add that even outside of it being sexist, it's just boring. Don quixote was making fun of this stuff literally centuries ago.
>romancewho said anything about romance?You save the girl, she gives you sex.You save another girl, she gives you sex. Repeat
>>721626751Because then it's not a romance and the woman doesn't need to be there.As a rule of thumb: if the 'reward' at the end could be a damsel in distress or a ton of gold and it wouldn't make a difference to the plot, then it's sexist. It's really not that hard to not do that, or do rescue romances in a way that doesn't feel forced.
>>721623220The damsel is the hero's (player's) reward-incentive for embarking on a life or death rescue mission. Why risk your life if you're not getting anything out of it? Why play the game if you're not getting anything out of it?
>>721623220And no ¨I can fix her¨ stories either for us white knights.Man...
>>721626780>Meanwhile, saving Zelda at the end of most old Zelda games feels like nothing.The almost daily Zelda girls thread says otherwise. (He saves them all)
>>721626780>Doesn't that prove anons point though?Nope.>Saving Eva is more interesting because she serves a purpose further than just being the girl the MC gets for beating the game.Eva is objectively the girl the MC gets for beating the game. He even gets sex out of it, which is more than Link has ever gotten or ever will get. Sure, she has more than two lines of dialogue, but everything about her is fake, even her personality, because she's a spy and nothing about her is real.
>>721626883Wasn't the Conan game on the PS3 like that?
>>721626751>>721626883You better have some really damn good gameplay to compensate then, because the princess kiss reward adds literally nothing to vidya.
>>721624789This. Waifufagging and romance are plague on discourse for both wrpgs and jrpgs. Honestly OP sounds like a retard that doesn't play videogames.
>>721627062>because the princess kiss reward adds literally nothingWrong I think it tickles the brain in ways other rewards can't.
>>721626780>Meanwhile, saving Zelda at the end of most old Zelda games feels like nothing.It feels worse than nothing. You're saving some dumb royal bitch who should have no authority over you or anyone else, and you're not even getting anything out of it personally.
>>721627012>but everything about her is fake, even her personality, because she's a spy and nothing about her is real.That's kind of what makes it fun though. It's, dare I say, subversive. Besides, you can still derive a lot of her real personality from her actions.
>>721625845Yes, objects that exist to be manipulated by Us, the chose race. Thank you goyim sama for defending our ideology.
>>721627002I mean story-wise.The post-game jerk off session where you find art of the blank slate princess getting plowed is a different matter.
>>721624789While I somewhat agree Mae is 100% for Boey though.These two are made for arguing, sex, and then more arguing.
>>721626617Can't have that either. Everything now is coated under a veneer of gray moral bullshit.Either that or good and evil are portrayed in a (((subversive))) way.
>>721623220GAMEDEVS! Make games in which we are the scoundrel tying up women to train tracks and scheming, rigging, planning traps against the good guy.With a dedicated button to twirl the mustache and laugh.Or DIE.
>>721627287>Ending mentions how Mae and Boey had a bunch of kidsThe hatefucks must've been legendary.
>>721627248Everyone manipulates everyone retard
>>721627412Good goy
>>721626947Because the hero should be a good man. And a good man expects no reward.
>>721624108>two linesAlready too much make her mute.
>>721627482based
>>721627363Evil has always been gray. You just were younger and more naive. There is no evil act you can do that doesnt have at least a small positive side. Look at when they reintroduced wolves into yellowstone.
>>721627482>MC has tons of girls trying to throw their pussy at him>Ignores them all because the only reward he needs is seeing justice and good prevail>The only thing he lusts for is the next grand adventure
>>721627480Fuck off well poisoner
>>721623220Hard to swallow pill: You're not entitled to a woman's affection just because you saved her.
>>721627482The hero is the better man
>>721626780Most Zelda games have pretty simple stories about saving the land and restoring peace. Defeating the evil taking over the land and restoring the rightful ruler is part of that.
>>721623220I hate women so I don't give a fuck
>>721627363I don't even mind not having clear good and evil. But at the same time, modern writers are afraid of having a "might makes right" story where the MC does whatever he wants because he can. Even though that is - in my eyes at least - the natural conclusion of subjective morality.
>>721627482i good man wouldnt consort with degenerates like women who get themselves into shit and then need saving
>>721624789The single romance problem is why you see more games nowadays that just have you pick a girl and then the romance goes off of that. Too many people get pissed off nowadays if they're denied their waifu.
>>721627482
>>721627268>I mean story-wise.As do I. The threads aren't just pictures you know. They love the simple stories with all the girls and saving them tickles the brain just enough to never forget them.
>>721623220Getting the girl has literally nothing to do with the hero's journey. As for the damsel in distress isn't this literally the plot of the new Doom? The whole game is about the princess getting kidnapped and you going to save her (which you do)
>>721623220yes, especialyl if the protagonist happened to be a straight white guy
>>721623220This a thread from 10 years ago?
>>721624816Yet it’s somehow fine that a man’s wallet is a woman’s reward for simply existing, even after “gender equality”
>>721627482My kind of hero.
>>721623220Are you too young to remember Feminist Frequency and the bullshit it caused?
>>721624597BG3 only features fags, negros and strong wyman.Zero actual none woke elements
>>721627765A woman isn't entitled to a man saving her either
>>721623220You're like 10-15 years too late for this, dude. This has had a serious impact on every piece of media. Even Mario, the classic "hero saves the princess" story has morphed into either Peach being playable or them explicitly NOT rewarding Mario with the girl in the end (See: Odyssey). He used to get a kiss, but nowadays that is seen as sexist.
Damsel in distress is an ego trip female power fantasy.It taps into the manipulative desire to control that every woman has, "I am so powerful and precious I have such control over his inner state that I managed to drastically alter his decisions and actions".Everything women and feminism ever said and will ever say about men is 100% projection.Women are addicted to the feelings of power that come from being the social arbiter that administers status (sex, HR, etc etc) and ultimately shapes society to cater to her needs so she can continue to become pampered and spoiled.Women are being used as a blackmail tool but ultimately don't care because such is their addiction to attention and controlling others.Nobody truly enjoys being around women, not even women themselves.Don't pay attention to what women say, look at what women do.If you want to know the truth about women look at how women treat eachother (in the recent years they caught up with this so they make a big effort to keep it covert, so they can continue their constant gaslighting).Last but not least, women enjoy to hurt themselves as a blackmail tactic and to put themselves in danger in hope that a wealthy man high in resources will fall for it and come save her.
>>721628281Girls kissing men is antisemitic.Men kissing girls is rape.
>>721628326>men get brainwashed since birth to always make way for women no matter what don't question it>man waits so she can pass first>oh mah gaaaah I'm so oppressed see this is why I need feminism omfg we need to put on meds every man fuck patriarchyEvery woman deserves cancer.
>going from some worthless nobody to being recognized for your abilities, hard work and courage by your society and raising your social standing to damn the near highest levelyeah I'm sure it's all just about sexo with the princess.
A man needs a reward to overcome the obstacle.If there’s no reward, he won’t do anything.Unless you threaten his livelihood so much, he has to overcome the obstacle which is what we have now. No carrot, all stick.
>>721623220Walled women, gays, troons and sois got creative control over games and they all have a seething hatred for straight men
>>721624108Why do people act like feminine isn't a personality trait?Because it feels kind of sexist ngl. You can have a manly guy and people will accept that as "personality".
>>721623220>nowadays>>721624172This
>>721623220be the change you want to see in the world anon
>>721623220I have zero interest in "getting the girl". Story might as well not exist in video games to begin with and what's the point of having a cute girl if you never see her until the end? Very bad thread
>>721627765Be my guest you genetically inferior nigger.
>>721623220I feel like there used to be a crusade to shove a lame half assed love story into every single piece of media leading you to believe "guy gets pussy reward" is a crucial part of storytelling.It turned men into pussywhipped simps.
>>721627765Yes I am.
>>721629454As opposed to the totally non-pussywhipped modern storytelling in which guys are expected to suffer and give up everything for no reward at all?
>>721629419but if you don't get the girl you can't have sexI'm not understanding your thinking here
>male hero's journeycoming from humble beginnings and overcoming adversity through hard work and guts to defeat the evil and restore peace to the land>female heroine's journeycoming from humble beginnings but it turns out you were special all along and you deserve to marry prince-kun instead of his bitch fiancee
>>721628280Actually, yes she is. Cooperation and looking out for each other is the cornerstone of society.
>>721629582I don't know, I don't really watch/read/play modern western storytelling because all artists have been replaced with corporate moneymaking businessmen. All I know is a bunch of faggots whining about no gf online is pathetic, whining a fictional character doesn't get a gf is a whole other level.
>>721629676I've played enough games to know this is bullshit. The MC always had God's sacred sword hidden up his ass, so the "humble beginnings" guy turns into one of those almighty beings that was always destined to save the world.Need more games where you just play as some dude and it sticks.
>>721623220There is a crusade against anything a normal /a male/a straight/a white person would like in any media nowadays.And as a consequence nothing is even remotely good nowadays
>>721623220>You must pay the rent, you must pay the rent, you must pay the rent today
>>721623220Modern feminism is based entirely around hatred of menThey cannot let men enjoy a single thing, it pains them
>>721629779then all men not just heroes are entitled to affection
>>721628326>It taps into the manipulative desire to control that every woman has, "I am so powerful and precious I have such control over his inner state that I managed to drastically alter his decisions and actions".Are they wrong though? Women pretty much control and manipulate men. Everything men do "for themselves" is to provide comfort and safety for women. An alien species would accurately describe humans as women and their drones.
>>721624108It works and people resonate with that. The opposite is true for the alternative.
>>721623220I've slept under a rock and I've just discovered that Damsel In Distress has been demonized for the last 20 years.
>>721623220I don't really understand why you dipshits obsess over this shitty ass trope aside from it's abscence hurting your pride or whatever. The DID trope is so fucking lazy and overplayed that it's become boring as shit at this point. But the thing that I really don't get is why you obsess over the damsels in the first place. Like the bitches that you save have next to no personality, they're just boring card board cut outs that do jack shit.>But but but my feminism MUH girlbossesLook I don't like girlbosses or virtue signaling mouthpices from wokewashed media either but that does not mean i like damsels or dislike strong female characters who defy gender expectations. And i'd like to think that most of you think like this as well. I don't like modern movie girlbosses but I do like characters like Baiken, Susie or Ryuko that are independent women and don't swoon over male characters because they're cool, have actual personalities, are kinda hot but that's besides the point and don't fucking virtue signal. You wouldn't piss yourselves over the "why can't she save herself" argument that feminists say if the woman in question was a cool, alcoholic ronin girl with gorillion years of training.
>>721630729Tldr
>>721630550children are importantif you want children you have to do something for the woman you chose or she WILL destroy you one way or another OR turn your children against you because the children are predisposed to favor the mother over the father for most if not all their lives
>>721623220Nowadays? We haven’t had a decent heterosexual romance in vidja in at least 10 years.
>women writingit's fine for female characters to be non-combatants>men writingok so here is BADASS ACTION GIRL who is just as strong as the boys at least until I figure out that I can't write female characters for shit and she gets forgotten and left behind in the powerscaling
>>721630292>But I can’t pay the rent!Wtf was she spending her money on then? Is she stupid?
>Save big teddy sword gf, her blonde sister, and a Welsh cat girl >Get to bang all three with absolutely no repercussionsConsidering the general reaction to this revelation, yeah, it's kinda sad innit?
>>721630550>women bitching about women's clothes, cosmetic products and women's mediadamn how could the patriarchy do this?
>>7216268571- there are very, very few video games that stay true to the hero's journey, most are subversive in some way2- joseph campbell is not the be all-end all on the subject3- There are numerous references to women in the hero's journey, try chapter: The Hero as Lover>The hegemony wrested from the enemy, the freedom won from the malice of the monster, the life energy released from the toils of the tyrant Holdfast - is symbolized as a woman. She is the maiden of the innumerable dragon slayings, the bride abducted from the jealous father, the virgin rescued from the unholy lover.>The motif of the difficult task as prerequisite to the bridal bed has spun the hero-deeds of all time and all the world.
The main reason is that women don't like the trope, and the retarded drive for most devs to widen and widen the audience, to grind down every edge and bump so that the experience can be as all-inclusive as humanly possible.Well, I'd like to think that, but the position of socio-grifters, political studies retards and games journalists (cultural marxists basically) used to be a lot stronger, so much so that they could manipulate the market even for an audience that would not actually mind a damsel in distress. Things have changed now though. If you don't mind that audience, go for it. Seeing as how oversaturated the "general" audience vidya market is now, you might even be more visible if you target a niche.
>>721623220Video games are afraid of depicting romance in general.
>>721623220YesEvery single developer saw that Anita video and they have made it their crusade to remove the damsel in distress to appease that disgusting armenian spinstress.
>>721625601>Romance novels written by women have chads saving the day and taking the girl in more ways than one.Bro, you're out of touch. Modern romance novel for women have them consensually "raped" by a mafia boss or knotted by a werewolf.
>>721631634No they aren't, they do it too fucking much and i fucking hate that every crpg discussion always spiral into waifufaggotry. Fucking wish owlkeks had enough balls to skip on romance in Dark Heresy entirely.
>>721623220
>>721631613>The main reason is that women don't like the trope,well, women do love the trope.Thats why women love history so much they get to read about the romances of the Holy Grail and men fighting over womenits just the trans-humanist californians and tumblr users who want to use their monopoly on the industry to propagandize
>>721623220"Getting the girl" isn't part of the archetypical hero's journey, you pseud.
>>721623220Women hate it because they'd rather fuck the man putting the damsel in distress instead. Women LOVE violent criminals.
>>721623220Probably because incels are too stupid to make the games they whine about wanting to play
>>721630589It doesn't work tho. That¨'s why people hate it.
>>721631882being single is when women get the most attention, it's not rocket science that they love it
>>721631989>>721631568
>>721632067>he trusted the sciencejust look into that author and you know exactly why she's writing that trash.
>>721632073>>721631568>IT CAN BE, THEREFORE IT SHOULD!Kill yourself then, pseud. You can do that, therefore you should.
>>721627908Sadayo my beloved
>>721624816Women want that. Stop making women unhappy inlficting them your ideology
O MY SOCIETY
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I never really got the issue with it. It's wish fulfilment. It doesn't matter how realistic it is. Cucky the Peasant killing a dragon isn't realistic either.
>>721625260>Because it treats women as objects to be won. It's not that difficult to figure out, buddy.Nature doesn't care about your made up ideology>Oh they do, in fiction written by men that is.Aka 99,99% of what is objectively good, according to both men and women
>>721624108Explain why it isn't compelling
>>721632232>already backpedalling>Its not a part of the heroes journey>AXTUALLY even though it is a part of the heroes journey, and "has spun the hero-deeds of all time and all the world", its not TECHNICALLY necessarythe "pseud poster" is already backpedalinghahaha, youre not as smart as you thought
Women aren't prizes and you shouldn't be treating them as such. It goes to their heads.
Will somebody PLEASE think of the poor fictional women being objectified!
>>721625260What's bad about treating women like objects?
>>721623220No. You can still romance female characters in pretty much every RPG.
>>721632530its fake
>>721632747Fake? How so?
>>721632530You are seriously compelled by that shit?
>>721631882Women enjoy being single because:>they have an endless army of simps that giver her attention and provide her with services and company>have always a fuckbuddy on the side ready to give her sex or at the very least chad is one tinder call away>the government extorts money from men and funnels them into her pockets so she will never know hunger and hardship>the media 100% created and owned by kikes is constantly peddling this narrative that women are oppressed 24/7>then she walls and she starts chugging down antidepressants while her psychiatrist gaslights her deeper into her retarded delusions>so happy that she constantly needs to convince others and herself she's happy>she will groom the next generation of boys and girls to be feminist cucks and retarded whores>she thinks she's winning>she's not a sentient being and would rather suicide bomb men than anything else
>>721624108This is why I never play Bing bing and Wahoo gamesI have to, like, choose to press a button? To get over a creature? That's just, like, not very compelling
>>721632820Subversion of subversion can be compelling, yes
>>721625525That whole reason for the existence of women other wise human would be more efficient as a monosex species
Modern woman don't like that trope because society caters to their every whim they honestly don't have a sense of danger anymore or survival needs. Which is funny because damsel in distress or distress in general is an emotion you are self aware of in early childhood. It is the safety of their environment that creates woman who have opinions like 'they don't need a man' while being oblivious to the service men contribute to their lives. It's like how people can't kill a chicken to eat meat. yeah food analogy but a bit apt since woman would let themselves starve if they nurture the food source.
>>721632597>yay i saved the princess and i'm gonna marry her>oh no my life is now full of court politics bullshit i wish I was still an adventurer
>>721632557You missed the key word "archetypical" there, illiteratw pseud. Of course getting a girl CAN be a part of a hero's journey. But so CAN getting a kingdom. Not a lot of games with that kind of ending either. But you pseud freak only cry about the lack of a virtual girfriend. Why is that?
>>721626362>in Shrek, they spent entire journey home knowing each other and only got her in the end because she was "ugly" tooImagine missing the point of fucking Shrek of all things.
>>721624108saving a woman's life means she OWES the man sexthe only circumstances where this doesn't apply is when the man was obligated to save her due to his and her station i.e. the royal guard saving the princess.if you disagree with this you're a feminist cuckfoids aren't entitled to men sacrificing men's lives for women's safety.
>>721632826Oh almost forgot:SHE WILL NEVER BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE, EVER
>>721624108Much more compelling than the muh stonk womyn shit, yes
>>721625997So like irl
>>721625839>It doesn't upset me, it's just boring as shit.To you. And you don't replace a thing that works with something that doesn't work just because you are antisocial and are bored
>>721625997Stop projecting, woman.
>>721626919Made up rule and definitely a YOU problem
>>721631882Women would be more likely to be virgins if this was the case.It's so funny how they make it so easy to spot them as liars. The latest of which will be this Tylenol debacle, they will tell you that there are no risks in taking Tylenol while pregnant, to this you can simply ask them to read the fucking Tylenol box, fucking lying midwits which I guess is better than lying geniuses.
>>721623220No, but what I do notice is capitalists appealing to paying customers, and those paying customers find this trope boring
>of yorethank you for saving our kingdom hero god is with you would you like to marry my beautiful virgin princess daughter or if you'd prefer i could make you a noble and give you some prime farming land and manor complete with serfs and maids where you can live out your days in comfort and luxury?>of modernitythank you for saving our nation hero you're so brave here's your shiny medal and fancy ceremony, try not to end up homeless PTSD wreck drinking yourself to death in the streets
>>721627630That's not grey shit, retard, and doesn't make evil not evil
>>721627482A good man =/= charity
>>721623220Top games women hates- Rich Boy Hero 4- Silent journey boy saves the princess- FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT- Boats
>>721634278Yeah it's not like 2024 year of the woke flops happened and Mario princess saver being more recognizable than Mickey Mouse. Did you come from Discord?
It is a boring trope. I know you faggots were frustrated when Tetra was turned into a whiney bitch despite being a fucking PIRATE QUEEN prior to her bimbofication.It's just lazy. If a female character stands out on her own merits it makes romance way more impactful. The trophy girl stuff only works if you are 8 years old or a permavirgin
>>721633128Modern women task doctors to assassinate their own children. In a survey in an university close to me, it was found 1 in 10 woman student had done so at least once previously.
>>721634682False narrative pushed by the Kremlin and MAGA grifters. The reality is woke sells and that's why these companies keep pumping it out
If saving bitches is taught to be unrewarding even in vidya, don't be surprised if I wish your rapist a good time while walking past.
>>721632232>>721633291lil bitch is already crashing out lmao
>>721624108it is and there's a reason mario became a massively popular franchise
>>721634682People haven't cared about that aspect of Mario maybe ever. It is miyamoto holding that flame for some reason
>>721629595If I want sex in video games I'd play soldgirl town.
>>721624816why should the man save the woman then?>w-w-well he just should! he's not a real man if he doesnt!!!and she's not a real woman if she doesnt reward him by becoming his woman
>>721635037Not because of the groundbreaking and best in class platforming for the era certainly. It's gotta be the six pixel whore
>>721634803>It is a boring tropethen why have stories been using it successfully for thousands of years? stick to your TLOU2 submissive lesbian romances
>>721634803It's not boring, it's effective. I'll tell you what is boring, having to endure 20 minutes of introduction of MOVIE-GAME where you don't get to play at all and then all the people you are supposed to care about get killed by the bad guy. Wow I don't give a fuck, I've not even embodied anything in this world. That's boring.What is not boring is the bad guy being established as having kidnapped the princess. Wow, what does she looks like? That makes this guy a bad guy. Through my actions I can save her. I can prove myself here and defeat this bad guy. This is interesting, modern movie games that makes you follow a bossy bitch for a 5 minutes walking simulator and boring dialogue is absolutely not. How dare you even participate in this discussion?
>>721625260>in fiction written by men that is.I can tell you've never read any fiction written by women, for women.
>>721633291Yes, the lover transformation is an archetypal part of the heroes journey. The element of the lover in general can appear at various parts of the journey - from the call to action being triggered by love to the trials or return.The vast majority of heroes stories include it on some level. This universality suggests it as a psychologically or metaphysically important aspect to the heroes journey.In addition, if you look beyond Campbell, women are essential as the feminine complement to the male aspect. A man cannot be truly virile and heroic without women. That has been supported in both psychological and philosophical fields.Also ur not that smart compared to me, who is truly smarter than you are.
>>721623220Huh?>Cyberpunk 2077 you get Panam(the lesbian Judy leaves you KEK)>BG3 you get all the girlsWhat games were you playing where you did not get the girl?
>>721627765Then what you put on the table that makes worth of effort, heroism and al lthe shit required to become a man able to save a woman?
>>721635053Mario is a princess saver, he saved Peach and then Daisy, and ever before that whoever was captured by Donkey Kong. That's his fame.
>>721628135>Getting the girl has literally nothing to do with the hero's journey.Call to adventure doesn't happen in a void
>>721624597Woke shit doesn't count. It's not made for normal people
When you become an adult and engage in adult relationships, you realize that infantalizing women actually sucks for both parties. Our modern world does not support the notion of man go get food and club lion, women cook food and give milk baby. If you have a useless bitch who can't do anything by your side you will resent it quickly
>>721634951Lay-offs don't care about your delusions, neither do your chromosomes
>>721627765Hard to swallow pill : The woman being saved will live happily ever after with her savior and that woman is not you, cope + seethe jealous bitch.
>>721635270What the fuck are you even talking about spergoidSounds like you are easily manipulated by the whims of your microcock
>>721627857And the evil that corrupted the land have the Jewish star symbolism all over them.
>>721628326The 'people' in your webm were never fucked by anyone in their sorry life
>>721634803>Tetra was turned into a whiney bitch despite being a fucking PIRATE QUEEN prior to her bimbofication.>character stunned by shocking revelation and has a moment of vulnerability >still talks like Tetra at the end and gives a wink, fights alongside Link in the final battle >NOOOO SHES NOT LE BROWN TOMBOY SHE WAS LOBOTOMIZED
>>721623220Once I thought about it and Mario is just about the only thing that still does this storyline nowadays. It is very sad how they can erase such a big piece of culture. I can only imagine how much more damage they would've done if their influence continued on unimpeded.
>>721635442But that's just the bare minimum context for the game. It literally doesn't matter. It's not the focus and never has been. You can replace it with anything else and it's still the same game
>>721634803>>721635713>retarded foid with retarded opinions color me surprised
>>721635713Answer this or you are a roastie.What is a man's duties?
>>721628731>nobody wait for her to pass anymore>waaa waaa sexism>waaa waaa where are the real men who wait for me to pass
>>721625624>Now the hero is just supposed to risk his life for nothing.Ackshally saving such an ungrateful cunt wouldn't be just nothing, it actively makes the world a worse place.
>>721635823>the goal is not the focusIt's literally what you look at, what is on the box art, what you first spot on the level. The same way that the stars in Mario 64 are the focus, the end goal, ergo the main focus is the princess, mongoloid. Anita S. was 15 years ago, you are like some dumbass who tries to push for Atheism+ today, you lost a long time ago, give up, go in the woods.
No.It's like complaining back into 90s/00s that society has fallen because you could play as a woman in Resident Evil, Dino Crisis and Parasite Eve.
>>721635830>>721635850Being a retard caveman is a centuries outdated interpretation of the masculine role in society. You are just retarded. And dollars to donuts you don't even have the physique for your interpretation of a "man's duties", or a gf or wife so it's all moot anyway isn't it
>>721629779The why wouldn't any man just prefer to save another man and jsut become his bro?
>>721636078What is a woman's duties?I rest my case.
>>721634391Name an evil act, or can only motives be evil
>>721632063Only you and your schizo bubble hate it
>>721624816>the man should just save the woman because he's a man and she's a woman>women are entitled to any random man's protection and security>random men are supposed to put their lives on the line for women they don't know just because that's what a REAL man doesIf it's not his job, or his family, or he owes the woman for some reason or another, why should he save her? She's entitled to protection, but he's not entitled to sex? Why is one viewed as fine and the other viewed as sexist and gross?
>>721635598And neither do capitalists, they are profiting more than ever with fewer employees.
>>721636078Im literally married, 6'1", 200 lbs. 2/3/4/5pl8. Fuck off you retarded roastoid lol
>>721636161Your smooth brain has been at rest for a while
>>721631020we didn't even had a decent male or female character in the last 10 years or more
>>721636267Tell it to ubiwoke shareholders and post reactions, kek
because women want men to do everything for them without giving anything in return and thats the kind of propaganda they push.
>>72163108799% of the times female characters are worse when written by women
>>721636276You must have dropped that 2pl8 on your head more than a few times
>>721623220And zero crusade against the mustache twirling white man being behind every problem.
>>721631613>women don't like the tropeFalse premise. Didn't read the rest
>>721633715I think this is the disconnect that these people have. The idea of the "damsel in distress" stems from the very foundation of the social contract, and the forming of societies/civilizations themselves.Why do men get drafted to fight in wars? To protect women. Women they don't even know, collectively. Because the notion was that the women back home would be the ones gestating children (which was achieved via sex), so it is the responsibility of the man to protect them. It was standard operating procedure that practically all women that participated in society had children, and all men that participated in society had a wife/family to protect, OR at minimum them getting a wife and family was an inevitability because that's how things were in wayback times.Men protect women because women gestate children. If women are not gestating children (something achieved through sex), then what is the point of protecting them?
>>721636427you will never write compelling stories
>>721632067>some retarded cunt lies>you immediately rewrite your brain to create a version of yourself that believes it How does it feel to be so submissive to women that even an ugly one can immediately cripple your personality?
>>721623220>Don't help women, there's nothing in it for youI guess if you insist?
>>721636561I think I could write a few if "rescue dumb bitch and make baby" is the bar for you grug
>>721636342>company that keeps pumping out terrible products is failingYes and?
>>721625260>Because it treats women as objects to be wonThey're both objects in this scenario. The man is only as good as his ability to provide security/protection, and the woman is only as good as her willingness to provide sex.If the woman is reduced to a fleshlight, then the man is reduced to a nameless, faceless bodyguard. And if he FUCKING DIES in the process, then whatever, who cares? It's just 1 disposable man.
>>721636768That's so disingenuous. It's not a secret that being a hero and a martyr are universally regarded as positive traits.
>>721632738Ugly unleasant females, and only when they aren't gay males.That shit doesn't count and those games are automatically bad
>>721626865Man of La Mancha was the best perspective of Don and that had Aldonza be saved by Quixote in a metaphorical sense
>>721636175NTA but The rape of Nanking
>>721636276>Random 4chan poster wants me to believe his impressive numbersIt doesn't matter if you can or not I will never believe you
>>721636663Woke trash IS a terrible product. You got to be very very good and very lucky to make a game where anyone sees past that disgusting lefty trip, like larian was.And even they only got past it because some bitches like Shart or Mizora were hot which the wokies always pretend to not notice.
>>721624108It's not supposed to be a compelling romance it's supposed to be a compelling *start* to a relationship. What's a more compelling start to a relationship, like when relating "how I met your mother/father"?>Two people are co-workers and start dating >Two people meet via personals, like in the newspaper>Two people are matchmade together by friends or family>Two people meet because one rescued the other from an evil villainWhether or not the relationship itself is compelling, or how it goes, isn't important because that's not what the game is about, it's not a dating sim. The game ends once they ride off into the sunset together, and if you want to imagine that they immediately break off the relationship after, more power to you.
sort of, romance in games is usually compartmentalized and is completely seperate from the main line of the storywhether you get the girl or not is seperate from the actual main storyI think the real cultural shift is against romance in general, there is something sexless about modern culture.A performative detachment devoid of passion and love.
>>721636889Its also not a secret that being a loving and caring wife and mother are universally regarded as positive traits.Or at least they were, until you retarded femmoids let yourself get brainwashed into becoming worker slaves by your corporate overlords.
I think the irony is the people who champion this kind of writing are the least likely to be participating in any real world occurance of it
>>721637275>arguing with holes.jpgfemoids really are fucking subhuman. on some level, you know for a fact the only value you can provide is your pussy.
>>721636643hush foid. The men are talking ITT
>>721637275"Real world" faggots need to get the fuck out of fantasy.
>>721637214>I think the real cultural shift is against romance in general, there is something sexless about modern culture.>A performative detachment devoid of passion and loveIt's really depressing seeing how few people actually dream or have beliefs nowadays. The world is really just spinning on its wheels right now and people who do have actual real love and passion in their hearts are mocked and ridiculed
>>721624816How many love letters did Luigi get after killing the ceo and women literally saying they need to all fuck him out of obligation? It's still a real thing. Tropes exist for a reason. If a woman got saved by a man that isn't ugly she will love him more than a mother loves her first born son if only for a short while. It's literally genetic. Man saved me from danger. I fuck man and birth his offspring. Like it's THE MOST OBVIOUS thing in the world.
>>721637239If you substantiate those traits through writing I agree 100%. If the story ends when you get the girl none of that factors in at all
>>721636889>a martyr is a positive traitOh yeah bro, I'm so glad I died for a woman that would want nothing to do with me after I'm dead, and whenever she gets freed by someone she'll repay him with a peck on the cheek then go ravenously get fucked by Chad.So glad I fucking died for that! I feel good about dying for this woman! I'm going to be a well-remembered and respected martyr!Fuck you, if I'm entitled to nothing, you're entitled to nothing. You want a man willing to die for you? That's called a husband, you fucking retard. Go get one and have him fight, kill, and die for you. Why should I?Also what he said >>721637239. If a woman fell for a man that saved her, married him, loved him, had his kids, and was a good, dutiful wife, that's also respected as a universally positive thing. Being a good and dutiful wife and mother is always seen as positive.
>>721637425Now post his 1cm microcock from all the roids
>>721636175drowning a baby
>>721637546Except that's complete bullshit because you feminazi retards always completely disregard how well written a female character is if they're hotter than you.
>>721637275so true. real masculine men can't get enough of boss bitch kinos
>>721637175Nah. If it was terrible it wouldn't be selling and these companies would have stopped producing it a decade ago. Ubisoft is notorious for trash games.
>>721637574But that part is never shown. What game can you think of that depicts a woman being a nurturing wife and mother?
I would save a girl not because I want to have sex with her but because it is the right thing to do.lol imagine if I really thought like that. I’d probably be dead by now.
>>721624816That's literally how countries are built to function retard! You deconstructed the most basic reward of life for men, offer 0 replacement, and are now wondering why they don't care. Then you ship in migrant men like that's going to change anything. Oh but I bet shipping in foreigners was your plan all along you crafty kike.
>>721637624notice how a foid's retort always boils down to sex or genitalia
>>721637802it doesn't sell and they keep producing it because they're paid to by the super rich corporate overlords that own all of the important land, property and resources.
>>721630550>consumer spendingYou are going to have to try harder, the vast majority of spending isn't by the braindead consumer.
>>721637775>Invent some bullshit and start arguing against itLiteral schizophrenia
>>721624108Its the simplest, purest scenario of compelling to the male protector psyche.>Rescue woman from danger.>Gain her gratitude and the acceptance of your/her group.>Get rewarded for self-sacrifice and heroic behaviour.
>>721623220it's been going on for 15 years>>721623340it's not written in stone but that's what most want for a happy ending, including women
>>721637546>>721637806Because it's assumed, you retard. It's assumed they go on to live happily ever after, because it's assumed the woman isn't a retarded whore. Part of "happily ever after" is that the woman is a good, dutiful wife and mother. You don't need to show it explicitly because the "damsel in distress being saved and loving her savior" trope existed in a time where marriage wasn't seen as a temporary arrangement.
>>721637879Sex and genitalia matter, incel. Incels and trannies are 2 sides of the same coin.
>>721637879You posted one sentence and a picture of an oiled up dude, "retort" is not fucking accurate lol
>>721637996right, so you retards didn't completely ignore the personality of characters like(the real) lara croft in order to focus entirely on her appearance and call her a sex object?who do you think you're fucking kidding?
>>721638040Why is there even someone who puts her in danger in the first place?The fact that you never question THAT is why all your games will be dreadfully boring.
>>721623220Getting the girl in the end is fine if there’s an actual romance arc over the course of the story. If a girl just falls in the make hero’s lap at the end with no build up, it just feels lazy and pointless.As for why we don’t see the “gets the girl” trope as much anymore, it’s because a lot of modern vidya protagonists are either already married or angsting over their dead wife, or they’re straight up not interested in relationships to begin with. It’s literally just because most vidya stories don’t do romance nowadays unless it’s a Baldur’s Gate 3/ Persona kind of situation, and so shoehorning in a damsel would be utterly pointless.
>>721637926If what you're saying is true, why did you vote capitalist grifters into office?
>>721638208>Why is there even someone who puts her in danger in the first place?What kind of a stupid question is that? You want games where theres no conflict and everything is fine? Play Farmville.
>>721638069And you can't see how that's boring? That we don't get to see the nurturing traits that would make someone a good mother? It's just assumed?
>>721638236last time i voted was for Obama and thats when i realized voting is a sham, both major parties are equally corrupt and elections are just a delusion to keep the plebs in line.Nice projection though faggot.
>>721638112thanks for proving me right>>721638130shouldn't you be busy playing ghost of Yotei?
>>721629779>Cooperation and looking out for each other is the cornerstone of society.Must be nice to live in a civilized country. I live in the U.S. where that kind of thinking just makes you a chump.>>721631938The few times I have read books written by women the protagonist has either been a girlboss or is a man who is constantly upstaged by women. Maybe traditionally they liked it but I think modern women prefer power fantasies.
>>721638208Are you retarded. Why do you assume the danger is "someone"?White men have tamed nature so extremely you forgot that mother nature is the most dangerous callous bitch of them all.
>>721638306You can't even conceptualize a conflict that isn't at the expense of a woman? That's not so tuff
>>721636604In slovenia there's a folk tale narrating about a knight in shining armor that was wandering the land coming to know that there's a beautiful and fair princess held captive by a dragon in a cave, the knight to honor his oath of protecting the weak searches for the cave and eventually reaches and confronts the dragon, after a terrible duel the knight manages to slay the dragon and rescue the princess, then the princess asks the knight if he wants to marry her and since she was a beautiful lady he accepts, then the marriage is celebrated with trumpets and bells and all that, then they move to live together and as soon as they step in their new home the princess starts laughing and transforms into a dragon and devours himThen the princess flies back to her cave.
>>721638196This may surprise you, but the people you disagree with aren't a singular entity. OG Lara is an awesome example of a female character. She's cunning and ALSO hot. She doesn't need to be rescued
>>721638412So you allowed capitalists grifters into office. Well, you got what you voted for. Capitalists who are going to cater to normies, because they have the fattest and loosest wallets. Woke is on the menu for the foreseeable future.
>>721638363How is it boring? The story is concluded. Do you want an epilogue cutscene slideshow about them living together as a family after the fact? The story of the game is "woman in danger, man saves her". Do we need to see them die of old age? Their kids grow up and have kids? The story's over.I'm not saying it's the most complex story imaginable, but it's simple, tried, and true.
>>721636506You're not entirely incorrect. I don't think there's any conclusive data on how many women actually dislike the trope, the main reason why I was under that impression is cause many of the more vocal and prominent opponents of the trope were women in the past. You could argue that these are a vocal minority and they never spoke for the majority of women, but at some point you would have expected other women to speak out, which they never did. If anything, women at least didn't seem to mind the trope being more or less removed from modern media.
>>721638657>you personally caused capitalismfuck off retard
>>721638452>You can't even conceptualize a conflict that isn't at the expense of a woman?Why would I play a game that doesn't have hot women in it? What else should I be fighting for in a video game? Cold porridge?
>>721638669>>721638669its not "removed from modern media", its just taken the far more degenerate and perverted form of popular woman's literature. You know, where instead of getting rescued by a protective and loving man, they get rescued by a perverted vampire billionaire that rapes them daily.
>>721637460If it’s any consolation, the desire for love has never gone away for most people.Most are just so jaded that they don’t believe it exists, and the reason they do this is because we live in a society that rewards and encourages toxic and shallow relationships, while making it harder for loving relationships to be forged.It IS still possible to find true love, but it requires going against the grain, and also accepting that true love doesn’t look like it does in anime.
>>721638665If a woman was an actual character rather than a plot device, you would see endearing aspects of their character that would make you think of them that way. Think of some /v/ favorites like Chie or Yukiko. They are liked because we get to see their quirks and feminine traits that really tickle the part of our brains that wanna get a girl pregnant. What you are describing is only enough if you are actually, unironically a knuckle dragging gorilla man with one braincell constantly on overdrive imagining only tits and ass
>>721638810[x] You chose to stop paying for games you liked and instead pirated them[x] You didn't vote against capitalists[x] You continue to give money to capitalists who want to strip your rights away.Yes, you are complicit in creating your own problems. Reap what you have sown.
>>721636537>>721633715You niggers are genuinely fucking deranged. Are you even listening to yourselves?>saving a woman's life means she OWES the man sex> If women are not gestating children (something achieved through sex), then what is the point of protecting them?So there's literaly no actual reason to save or protect other people aside from getting fucking sex. By your logic why the fuck do people protect the elderly or other men or animals or literaly anything when they don't offer us sex. The answer is that you do it out goodness of your heart. That's something that you seem to coveniently ignore even though this trope appears in many tales that focus on the heroes journey.
>>721629779>Actually, yes she is. Cooperation and looking out for each other is the cornerstone of society.You are a bumbling fucking retard, let me explain why.Do you know why men are expected to protect women? Because women are weaker? No, not that. Because the draft will take the weakest man before the strongest woman.Women are protected by men because they gestate children. It is this assumption that any given woman is/will be a good, dutiful wife and mother that they are entitled to the collective protection of all men. Because men are under the assumption that they collectively have access to their ability to gestate children. But nowadays, women are not fulfilling their duty, but still expect men to. That makes any man that puts his life on the line for a woman that is neither family nor doing something for him personally retarded. Why should I die for a random woman?
>>721638236Stop being antisemitic you whore.
>>721638863your people, your culture, your values.oh wait since you're white you're not allowed any of those anymore :-)
>>721623340Bruh never read the Odyssey
>>721623220>nowadays?
>>721634278Entertainment industry is in shamble because shitters ideologically adverse to that trope made things people don't like for more than 10 years.
>>721623220I just think its cute
>>721639180You cry about jews all day long- Trump and his entire administration are either jewish or pro-israel at the very least. All of the corpos you funnel money into are in on it too.
>>721639145so which one is it, retard? Should i stop giving money to capitalists who want to strip my rights away, or should I keep paying for games instead of pirating them?
>>721639151People forget that fairy tales are moral parables that encourage people to be good people. A hero saves people because it’s the right thing to do. Sex is just a bonus.People who only do it for sex were never heroes to begin with.
>>721639184>your people, your culture, your values.Women are part of my people, my culture promotes marriage and my values are to fuck hot women.
>>721639358Try it again in English, Pajeet.
>>721639392BIGOTRAPISTMURDERER YOU'RE NOT SUPPOSE TO LIKE THIS!
Cry all you want baby I still won't buy your woke shit
>>721639145>the most politically informed woman in existenceListening to a woman talk for 5 minutes should be reason enough to revoke human rights from women overnight.You are so subhumanly stupid you believe everything the television tells you.Say you're trolling immediately because I want to give you a second chance and not think you have down syndrome.You delusional little idiot.
>>721638863That's not a woman, that's a blow up doll that you call a woman. If you just stopped calling it a woman we wouldn't have a problem.
>>721635342Woke, gay ugly shit doesn't count
>>721623340Odysseus doesnt get the girl in the end, dummy. His wife is in the situation shes in becuause he never lost her, she stayed faithful and "his".You cant get what you always had.
>>721629676> but it turns out you were special all alongthis is every big battle shonen thoughbeit
>>721625093Faye is so much better for Alm it's unreal.The ideal relationship is legal marriage to Celica for the sake of controlling the continent, but making as many babies as possible with Faye.(Which is actually what happens if you read her ending as her frequently cucking her husband)
>>721639563>she's not a woman, she's an object because she's too attractive>you're the one who objectifies women btwhow are you actually this retarded
>>721635596Women are infant irl. The few who aren't, aren't feminist either
>>721639403I'm very anti trump, the fact that I don't want to eat shit doesn't mean I want to eat a dead rat.You poor idiot, you don't realize you're the reason why trump won.Maybe you want to figure out what the frankfurt school was (and still is).
>>721624816Are you implying a woman wouldn't be naturally attracted to a gigachad guy that saves her from certain death/indefinite imprisonment?
>>721639417>You're a retard for making me choose in this false dichotomy I just createdNot my problem. You're the one who has been screeching about woke for over a decade. Sounds like you're the typical MAGA cultist who would shoot themselves in the foot just because a brown person has the possibility of having a decent life. You already made your choice.
>>721639190"Bruh never read X">Has never read X himself What was his game plan
>>721639151Then why is it only men? Why do men have to routinely put their lives on the line at the drop of a hat for anyone, anywhere, anytime? Why don't we hold women to the same expectations? Women should routinely put their lives on the line for others, because it's not about sex or the social contract or any of that other stuff, it's solely about being a good PERSON.The draft is the ultimate example of this. Look at Ukraine, war has broken out in a relatively progressive country that treats men and women roughly as equals. What immediately happened? >men into the meat grinder>women into safety, run away as fast as you can
>>721639521All those words and you've said nothing. I accept your concession.
>>721639740>no argument, just insults, projection, assumptions and braindead NPC tribalismFuck off retard.
in some ways i envy the gays.
>>721639426And that's why they're fairy tales. Because normal people in normal societies aren't heroes that valiantly risk their lives for strangers out of pure, unfiltered altruism.The only way to make people give a shit is to give them skin in the game. You and I aren't heroes. We never will be. This is why these stories resonate with us, because they're fucking fantasies.
>>721630729This desu
October 3rd gamers!
>>721639706>I'm very anti trump>You poor idiot, you don't realize you're the reason why trump won.We know, Ivan. You're very centrist.
>>721637175woke larianshit is the opposite of good>>721637802they don't sell.Get woke go broke
>>721639740complaining about woke wasn't popular until the 2020s.>leftards being deceitful and rewriting history, as usual
>>721639876>no argumentCorrect, just facts. Your concession has been noted. Enjoy your woke video games industry, friend. You'll get your outrage fix for decades to come.
>>721640009>revises history while accusing others of doing the sameEvery accusation is a confession with right wingers
>>721639767They don't have to. It's moral, principled and good to help eachother. If you have no fucking care for that then you're not giving anything back and that's fine but don't demand anything either.Are you a teenager or something? Have you never been taught ethics?
>>721639921Even the center is controlled by the jews.
>>721640031>retard leftoid can't even make even remotely believable bait
>>721639660If that's a woman than these are women too
>>721623220Definitely a weird push against it. Don't get why though since>chad that I liked killed mecha hitler (who also thinks im hot btw) to save me because he thinks im the most desirable girl in the world and he takes me and we have two kids and a housemiadis a common woman fantasy.
>>721639151Then what do they offer?
>>721639617talent + hard work + unlocked hax is still a load better then effortless marysueism
>>721639981>seething>they don't sell.15 years later>seething>they don't sell.>2030>seething>they don't sell.If the Kremlin could wish things into existence they could have taken Kyiv by now.
>>721639563>Thats not a womanwhat
>>721639483Try with an argument, ideologue
>>721640151>right wingerThanks for proving that you're nothing more than a brainwashed tribalist NPC.
>>721639034>It's present in a completely transformed version that doesn't have much to do with what the trope actually means in a niche that the general audience has little interaction with.I see.
>>721640163social contract, faggot Implicit do ut des
>>721637879Yep. If "you're an incel" or "you have a small penis" doesn't work, they're 100% out of ideas.
>>721640276>posts mentally ill woman with fake tits trying to match the caricature she sees men claiming is a "real woman"You aren't helping your case
>>721640194>it's poor bait>bitesWhy are rightists so unintelligent? Is it all of the lead, radiation and asbestos in the Russian ghettos?
>>721640339>literally the most popular kinds of books on the planet in 2025>women on social media around the world read and talk about them as if they're completely normal>50 shades of grey exists and was insanely popularFucking retard
>>721623220>>721624108It’s lame from two perspectives because why is a singular woman’s affection that important anyways? Unless there’s some special story between them then I don’t really care. It hinges on some fantastical view of life. Main character getting a bunch of female attention because he’s cracked is based though, and I’m a sucker for a good love story.
>>721640394Seeing how miffed you're about that, do they really need more?
>>721640247They don't sell, stop seethingNobody ever liked woke shit, that's why the only woke shit that doesn't bomb is always parasiting huge bulletproof IPs created and made insanely famous by non woke people
>>721640163Doesn't helping each other imply that men aren't fed into a meat grinder or are forced to transition if they want even a modicum of societal support?
>>721640309>Thanks for proving that you're nothing more than a brainwashed tribalist NPC.
The damsel in distress trope is lame and cliched 9 times out of 10. That’s the number 1 reason it died out. If the woman is a non-character who just exists to be saved, what’s the point of them even being there. The better approach is to make the woman an actual character. That way, if you do a romance plot, they actually have chemistry with the male lead.
>>721640535>nobody likes it>it doesn't sell>it doesn't exist>and yet I'm still seething about it for over a decade nowschizo moment
>>721639563Being more atractive than you don't make her not a woman, it jsut make you ugly.Del with it, sour grapes kun
>>721640534Sounds like you're projecting there.
>>721640163>It's moral, principled and good to help eachotherIt's moral, principled and good to help your ingroup. Most of us are living among other groups of people with totally alien moral frameworks who do not reciprocate your principles.
>>721640553i know acting like everyone you talk to is just as brainwashed as you makes you feel better, but one of these days you're going to have to accept the reality that some people are just better than you.
>>721623220>girl gets the HeroGames for this feel?
>>721640535So, few "woke shit" ever bombs, but you have a new cope so it doesn't matter? Enjoy not playing videogames, I guess.
>>721630729I agree with you in principle but Baiken has a fucking terrible personality
Why is /v/ so obsessed with a singular Anglosphere concept of heroism? This isn't even "muh white supremacy", this is Brit-American values obsessions.Some of us here on this board aren't Anglo-Protestants. That a problem?
>>721638493but then who was dragon?
>>721640649Facts prove my point, as any normal person woudl tell you.get woke go broke. Even your side voted against you
>>721624789>Honestly, I have the opposite feeling where there are too many games that shoe-in a romance when the plot really doesn't need it.I disagree, romance adds a lot more opportunity for character development and drama, love interest could betray you, get killed, start off as an enemy, get sacrificed, reveal some shocking secret, etc.You can try to do similar things with friendship plots but it tends to not work as well with a few exceptions such as Suikoden II.Modern writers struggle as is to include any drama or emotional tension in their games, imagine removing romance aspects from FFVII, Disgaea, Lunar, Kingdom Hearts, Nier Automata. All you have left is a save the world from the bad guy plot.That's fine if your game isn't story driven, but I don't know of many games known for their writing that don't have any romance aspect.
>>721640664Ooh, what exactly am I projecting? Please tell the whole class, Timmy!
>>721640713if woke shit doesn't bomb, then why do you retards always resort to pointing at only BG3 instead of the supposedly large amount of successful woke games?
>>721636537So that they can have children with other men. Maybe she is not attracted to the man who saved her, fought the war, etc. That is their explanation.
I want to play as a cool guy who does cool shit and gets the girl in the end. It ain't rocket science, it's wish fulfillment. >but women aren't trophiesI DON'T FUCKING CARE. do that and i'll give you my money. simple as that
>>721640682>i know acting like everyone you talk to is just as brainwashed as you makes you feel better, but one of these days you're going to have to accept the reality that some people are just better than you.
>>721640829Are the facts in the room with us now, Timmy?
>>721639161>Why should I dieWhy would protecting someone (less capable at anything, for the sake of fairness) instantly result in your death?
>>721640813Yes. If you want to be a good little goosestepper with us, you must conform to our image of whiteness. And that means one culture, one (white) folk, one leader. Because anything else is globalism.
>>721640713all of them bomb, unless they parasite bulletproof IPsyour stupid ideology is done. You lost your culture war. yo uare jsut retaliating from your last bastions.>Enjoy not playing videogames,games are bad now, but they will get better in time, the more the industry is purged by subnormals
>>721640863>why do people point out the most succesful game in the recent history?!?They don't send their best...
>>721623220this is my fetish
>>721640415>Beautiful women are all mentally ill.Someone here is mentally ill alright.
>>721641004Yes, and even in yours. You would notice if you stopped screaming
>>721623340You got exposed, glowie.
>>721623220Sure, give me games where a man gets tied up and thrown on the tracks while an evil chick laughs and uh adjusts her tits? No idea what female equivalent of twirling a moustache would be.Also that man would just die, unless he had a best bro to help him out.
>>721641128How did you know I was screaming? Is my Trump phone spying on me?
>>721640624Who cares. It works.
>>721623220Cool it with the antisemitism, anon.
>>721625932The book itself leans heavily on Freudian psychoanalysis
>>721641027Ah, so if it bombs, it was because wokeness, if it didn't bomb, it was the IP? I think this new cope of yours has a "few" large holes in it already...So if you don't like games, why are you here? Is this some culture warrior bootcamp for you or are you just a masochist?
>>721641212QED
>>721640850Romance plots are kino if they’re done properly, but I swear that romance plots in media are neutered nowadays because writers are terrified of doing ANYTHING that might get them accused of being problematic. Romance is FAR too sanitised nowadays. There’s barely any passion or romanticism behind them.
Questions for a stirred-up /v/:1. Why do you hate women?2. Why do you hate society?3. Why do you think helping people risks your life?4. Why do you consider little acts of charity very exhausting?5. Why do you hold yourself to the standard of the ancient man, even knowing you can't meet it, only to get angrier?
>>721626789The Iliad is just an episode in the Trojan War saga. It's not a wholly self-contained "hero's journey"
>>721624108yeah they should have met on a dating app instead
>>721640163>If you have no fucking care for that then you're not giving anything back and that's fine but don't demand anything either.I do not demand anything. The issue is that it is still expected and demanded of men to die at the drop of a hat for anyone, anywhere, anytime. Nothing is expected of anyone else. Nothing is expected of women, or any other group men are supposed to die for.
>>721640707>girl gets the HeroThree Houses, blue lions with female byleth.
>>721641371Frankfurt school, or in short, the jews.Also men don't owe women shit.
>>721641263No that's just your leftard cope.>woke products don't sell>bulletproof ips sell no matter whatThe way those two statements interact depends on astroturfing, marketing and luck
>>721641087>most successful game in recent history!Leftards revising history again. What a surprise.Black Myth Wukong, Animal Crossing, Zelda, Codslop, Cyberpunk, That hogwarts game, Monster hunter. Should i keep listing more successful games? I haven't even gotten started on how much more profitable perverted gachaslop for straight men is than BG3.
>>721641404Calm down dude, you just dropped like 100 nukes on that nigger with that line.
>>721636768>They're both objects in this scenario. The man is only as good as his ability to provide security/protection, and the woman is only as good as her willingness to provide sex. Neither are true. You are retarded. Why not just replace the entirety of our species with self-replicating robots? Our birthright is about more than just spreading endlessly like a cancer
>>721641219Evidently not. Otherwise it wouldn’t have died out. People have been bitching about damsels since the 90s-2000s, and in any series, the assertive girl characters are usually infinitely more popular than the damsels with male audiences.
>>721637086just a prank, bro
>>721623220>feeleveryone has known that this is the case for more than a decade now
>>721641513No, but you can voluntarily give your effort to help women and less capable men expecting nothing in return even if you owe others nothing, out of the goodness of your heart for those that share your values, as many men and women obviously do
>>721641371Reddit is that way, nigger.Oh, and if you killed yourself everyone would secretly rejoice.
>>721640495This is the point of 50 shades of grey that is usually criticized. Toxic, co-dependent, sexist and the usual diatribe.And, just aside, I don't think you actually know what the damsel in distress trope means. The damsel being the protagonist already rules it out, you could maybe argue something about learned helplessness tropes, but that's simply a different thing.
>>721641676>and women obviously doSource?
>>721641371>. Why do you hate women?only your female characters and wome nshaped by your stupid ideology>2. Why do you hate society?you made mdoern society worse for everyone>3. Why do you think helping people risks your life?risking your life risks your life>4. Why do you consider little acts of charity very exhausting?they don't. You retarded idea that peopel need to care about everyting is exhausting>5. Why do you hold yourself to the standard of the ancient man, even knowing you can't meet it, only to get angrier?Ideals aren't meant to be brought down to our level so we can feel better about ourselves, you psotmodern loser
>>721641738so the fact that peach is one of the protagonists in the mario games means she's not also a damsel in distress and everyone who has ever used her as an example is wrong. Got it
>>721641538>he says, while listing a bunch of woke games>"only measure of success is money, just be a soulless bug person!!"They REALLY don't send their best... When was the last time you laughed? Felt rain fall on your face? Felt a kiss? Looked someone in the eyes and said: "I love you"? Or is it just money, rage and bitterness you feel until the Providence cuts your life like a blade of grass?
>>721641538>Black Myth Wukong, Animal Crossing, Zelda, Codslop, Cyberpunk, That hogwarts game, Monster hunter. >more profitable perverted gachaslop for straight menYou don't get the girl at the end in a single one of these. Not even in Zelda is it ever implied you "get" her for certain
>>721641371the definition of hating women is thinking that they're necessary for reproduction
>>721641676Ok here's my charity for you.
>>721641605Hijacking the industry to make it "forbidden" is not fading out. It's still anywhere you don't control, and it will everywhere again once you are purged and we are back to normal
>>721641916Wait, they aren't?
>>721623220How many games actually have a clear cut damsel that the protagonist didnt know before rescuing and had rescuing her as his primary goal besides like Mario or Dragon's Lair?
>>721640203Not what their chromosomes say, so fuck off
>>721641918Is the table of contents written in Comic Sans?
>>721641371>hate womenWanting something back for protecting women is not hatred.>hate societyBecause society hates men.>helping people risks your lifeNo one claimed this. >little acts charity is very exhaustingSaving a damsel in distress is hardly a "little act of charity".>why do you hold yourself to the standard of the ancient manBut I don't, society does. Society still expects men to do the dirty work, bust their ass, be providers, be protectors, and die via the draft at any given moment. The only problem is it it gives men nothing in return for all this.
>>721641904You just being ugly and getting misgendered.You will never change what normal people naturally like
>>721641885Sorry you were proven to be objectively wrong and stupid while trying to act smart, retard. Now you're coping by acting superior to a person you just made up. How pathetic.
>>721642053this
>>721641737Why are rightists like this so seethie when "woke" is supposedly dead? They sound so miserable.
>>721642139I'm not right wing.
>>721627482WE MUST BE GOODER MEN
>>721641968Are you really that committed to the idea that people on /v/ hate women? Can I really define this any which way I please and you'll just say, yes, this is the definition, and therefore any conclusion drawn from it are valid, without ever ever questioning the premises?
>>721642198same
>>721641371>1. Why do you hate women?>2. Why do you hate society?Because I'm a 30 year old virgin terminally depressed from touch starvation and society acts like that makes ME evil when if it were happening to a woman the entirety of society would be rearranged to ensure it stops happening.>3. Why do you think helping people risks your life?>4. Why do you consider little acts of charity very exhausting?Retarded strawmen>5. Why do you hold yourself to the standard of the ancient man, even knowing you can't meet it, only to get angrier?If things were different, they wouldn't be the same. Braindead simps love to say "if you're an incel now then you'd be an incel back then" as if the unprecedented state of gynocratic liberalism and a 30% marriage rate and a 1.2 TFT has ever existed previously. It's like saying Bill Gates would have been an aristocrat if he was born 800 years ago because he's rich now. Absolute idiocy.
Wokies absolutely hate traditional storytelling elements.
>>721642139because after a decade of your subnormals, you are still retaliating from your last abstions in entertainement industry despite losing your culture war HARDNormal people are jsut tired of your unwelcome fad. Just follow your 'I'm the future and I'm here to stay' fellow nazis and fascists and die already.
>>721642293But he WOULD be an aristocrat, the japanese wikipedia lists him as one of the prominent jews, and his family is related with the family of ghislaine maxwell, he chews on foreskins today and he would have chewed on foreskins 1600 years ago.
>>721641764Daily life? Most women I've met open the door for me, pick up my stuff if I drop it, offer help carrying things, I'd consider that to qualify even if you don't>>721641797Real life is a compromise between ideals and the reality of your limitations. All men have limitations and need to recognize them>>721641916Reproduction is your basal and primal imperative, not necessarily your purpose>>721641918Am I supposed to just accept that the opposite of whatever you posted is an unchallengeable moral good?>>721642053>Society still expects men to do the dirty work, bust their ass, be providers, be protectors, and die via the draft at any given moment. No, it doesn't. >No one claimed thisPlenty of anons are claiming in this thread that they are expected to die to protect women, when they are not
>>721642316This. Rightists are low IQ so they can only handle the same very simple marvel-esque plots recited to them over and over. Anything with a hint of complexity will send them into an ape-like rage and possible eviction out of their parents basements.
>>721640858>TImmyAnother butthurt jeet
>>721642316traditionally storytelling elements that exist because they resonate with everyone in all history usually expose them as losers who can't keep up or reveal them as the villains thei are
>>721640163Fuck your bullshit liberal feminist thics.Men are being oppressed and destroyed by feminism and the longer you let it continue, the worse this civilization will get. We are already seeing people shot in broad daylight because they are actively telling men what they can and cannot do with the proud intent to use lawfare against them. That's just the tip of the iceberg if the whole "Men must suffer because it's ethical" BULLSHIT continues.You do not get to deny men their families for their sacrifices.That is not an option on the table.If you choose to do so, there are society-collapsing consequences. This is not an argument.I am telling you that you are choosing death by thinking the way you do.
>>721642385Do they not offer english courses in the kremlin anymore?
>721641884In most games where she is playable as a protagonist, she would not be described as a damsel in distress, that being a completely inert woman who is rescued by the protagonist and then given to him as a reward , simply because being playable already gives her some form of agency. The one that could be argued over is the Paper Mario games, but even there she is playable for a very short amount of time. In Super Mario RPG, or SMB2, or Super Princess Peach, you could not describe her as the damsel in distress trope. In fact, since she rescues Mario in Super Princess Peach, you could describe Mario that way. Agency and lack thereof is a defining factor. Listen, I unironically think it's a good thing that you're clueless about this cultural warfare crap, this polsci dogshit, because it hasn't done anybody any good. But we were and are talking about different things, it looks like.
I thought this would be a DID thread instead of lonely virgin central...
>>721642492>Am I supposed to just accept that the opposite of whatever you posted is an unchallengeable moral good?You're actually not a real human, you're an object.
>>721642492>Real life is a compromise between ideals and the reality of your limitations. All men have limitations and need to recognize themwhat that has to do with modern society beign wrong and not working at all, or wit hoyur ideology being universally rejected
>>721642385>abloooo I'm so tired of this thing I'm desperately trying to convince everyone is deadschizo moment
/v/ is gay
>>721642493The shit you like is not complex.Liking shit is not complexremoving things that work and replace them with things that don't work or nothing at all is not complex
>>721642559Not him, but your doomerism is pointless and retarded. Most of us in the rest of the world still live in society that largely never interfere with those values, and we never have to ENFORCE tropes like "guy gets the girl" because most men end up in marriages and having children without needing to sacrifice shit, any more than the bare minimum effort of a normal lifeJust because you are obsessed with tiny atomised weird parts of the world doesn't mean the whole world is ending
>>721637183Feminists destroyed with this one post
>>721642616Insisting that only virgins think this way is suicidal behavior.Don't let me dissuade though, you worthless bacterial colony posing as a person.
>>721642293Problem is you are whining on the internet instead of improving yourself enough to get a woman. What do you think every other man is doing? It is a constant and brutal struggle. You are not acting like a man by complaining which makes both other men and women disgusted with your complaining. I understand it, but you have to play the game or nobody will listen to you.
>>721642492>Reproduction is your basal and primal imperative, not necessarily your purposeYou total fucking nigger, that's not up for you to decide. Kill yourself immediately.Even then, 'imperative' is a higher priority than 'purpose'. You double nigger. Triple kill yourself yesterday.
>>721642568Will you ever learn that attacking words is a fallacy and not an argument, sophist?
>>721642492>Plenty of anons are claiming in this thread that they are expected to die to protect women, when they are notThe fucking draft, you retard. If Ukraine is not a cautionary tale of where this eventually leads, then I don't know what to say.Whether or not you think it's credible that we go full Ukraine and start vanning 50 year old men, the standing issue is that if a society is ever embroiled in war, the men are forced to fight. The women are never forced to fight. This has been every nation, everywhere, at any point in history. Whether or not you need to do it in this exact moment right now is irrelevant to the point that men, collectively, are expected to protect women, collectively, whenever the need arises. This has never gone away.
>>721642665You are literally closing your ears and screaming, loserThe opposite of woke is normality
>>721642757You are a retard. I just told you this isn't an argument. Now you're just pretending that millions of disenfranchised men with no family and no hope isn't a colossal problem that has killed multiple nations throughout history.Kill yourself faster than this please.
>>721642748>the thing you like is not complex>chimping outQED
Call it humble bragging but it really isnt, there were 5 women who were legit "in love" with me.>fat stinky bitch who I almost vomited on when I was licking her pussy>old insane married bitch who almost raped me at my place>fat stinky bitch 2 electric boogaloo, this time an emotional wreck so I sent her to a therapist after 1 month of putting up with her bullshit>ultra insane jewish bitch with ugly acne ridden face but really good ass, spent 2x more time crying than not, abandoned ship after a week and recommended her a therapist too>fat stinky bitch number 3, 18yo and good mental health but still nasty, learned from my mistakes and abandoned ship right after she wanted to smooch when she isolated meBros tell me, why the FUUUUUUCK can't I get a girl who is moderately attractive damnitWhy can't I have the option to CHOOSEAll 5 of these were choosing me, and I gave them a chance only because I was lonely, and then I barely escaped alive each time.I never managed to bust a nut into either of them because simply they just arent attractive at all, so I'm still a virgin technically. I'm pretty sure they only "loved" me because they thought of me as a fucking loser who is desperate enough to be with them.NEWSFLASH BITCH, FUCK NO.For chrissake I'm putting so much effort into myself, I should be able to pull an average girl by now. I want to know what it feels like to reap the fruits of my labour, where I court the women *I CHOOSE* and actually get them. I'm tired of these cows and mental asylum escapees. I don't even have high standards but it's like there's a damn wall between me and moderately attractive women and those always reject me 100% of the time. I will not fucking settle damnit.
>>721642493complexity is for pseuds
>>721635184If you deny that rescuing Princess Toadstool was an element of the appeal, you're not a massively successful game creator.
>>721642832Not everything is an argument, though. For example, Russia will never take Kyiv; fact.
>>721623220>nowadaysthat's been going on for the past 10 years now
>>721642975Make more money, be more confident, take better care of yourself, and actively pursue the best you feel you can get. The best ones won't pursue you.
>>721642946>NO U>U MAD>U BADCry more, loser
>>721642810shut up nigger, you don't know anything about me>Problem is you are whining on the internet instead of improving yourselfI did improve myself. Substantially so. But because I don't have a good face, good hair, good jawline, or good height all that effort is only worth overweight single mothers. No thanks.>You are not acting like a man by complainingYet here you are on an anonymous forum complaining about me complaining in response to someone complaining about how men want to fuck women.Dumbass nigger.
>>721640163>They don't have to.They do in times of war. Men are forced to fight. And the whole concept of heroism in my opinion reinforces that men should be ok with being sacrificed for the sake of others. It's actually very sinister and why I don't like heroism as a concept.
>>721643019The square goes in the square hole, Timmy. It's ok, I believe in you.
>>721643043>nonsequitur
Why is sex literally the first reward you think of?
>>721623220Few wars and compulsory draft for both genders will fix all thatThe problem with modern society is the lack of warsNuclear weapons is the worst invention human ever made
>>721643084QED
>>721624789>>721625024>>721627908It's a moralistic thing. It's just as much a test of virtue as whatever archaic damsel in distress bullshit, just obfuscated. In essence it's usually saying "the good girl gets the good guy. the bad girl is stuck with the bad guy" "a good proper guy would never pick this girl". What the main girl and main guy actually represent.The Japanese most of the time intend their stories as propaganda.
>>721642812>that's not up for you to decideIt's not for you to decide for others, either. It's an objective truth that not all men want what you want.>>721642881The draft in our age is a universally easy thing to dodge in most of the world. If you feel bad about it, that's a different problem, and yours to deal with.>>721642941>millions of disenfranchised men with no family and no hopeThis has been perpetually the case for most of history, and most of them like you has been wiped out in the grindmill of war before their grievances got anywhere. Meanwhile, almost all of the men who have EVER reproduced have NEVER fought, and have NEVER had to "suffer to protect women." Do you understand yet?
>>721642757>Most of us in the rest of the world still live in society that largely never interfere with those values, and we never have to ENFORCE tropes like "guy gets the girl"Most of the developed world did have this hypocrisy though. Men are expected to die for society. Women are not legally required to do anything, except for maybe dealing with things that are their own fault.
>>721643181Wish fulfilment
>>721643181Because it's the most primordial pillar of biological nature. You may build around it, but the moment you try to negate it you are just crusading against natureAnd no, it's not an aspect we need to overcome. It's a good thing
>>721643178Yes, Russia taking Kyiv is an excellent example of a non sequitur*
>>721623220same...
>>721643181Incels crave intimacy. Without it, the human race wouldn't exist. In a way you could say that incels are subhuman; genetic waste. Dead end.
>>721643282>NO U loopyou lost and just want the last word, schizo retard
>>721643380>muh natureSo you eat your meat raw and live in a cave?
>>721642493>complexityNothing is ever complex with liberal propaganda. 99% of the time it's about as subtle as a sledgehammer and sticks out like a sore thumb.
>>721643490QED, cont.
>>721643381>nonsequitursee >>721643490
>>721643103>good face, good hair, good jawline, or good heightAs long as you don't look like you got clubbed in the face, you are fine. Have a decent haircut to compliment whatever stage your hairline is at. And I am guessing you are 5'10" or something and fell for all the memes that you must be 6' or else. Sitting around moping about wahhh my jawline is 3mm less optimal than I want and wahhhh I am 1.65" less than 6' is not attractive to women. Really your personality is your problem. Learn to have some confidence because that is more important than anything else not just with women but life too.
>>721635184Keep in mind that at that time like 5 people in all japan knew how to read english to the point they had to create a programming language (ruby) specifically for them so they could code, they heard that in european tales there's this trope (invented for the benefit of women) of the knight fighting a dragon (it had christian origins, saint george fighting a dragon and in most versions of the legend there was no princess) so they innocently thought cute of inserting that element in hope to be more appealing to a western audience.As usual women are such demons that even a 6 years old kid offering her a flower he plucked from the grass is a conspiracy against them and that kid must get tortured into suicide.Women were never the good guy.
>>721643172tell us more about how your indie pixel roguelike about modern women's struggle and allegories for depression is high-IQ
Ah yes, another thred where leftards and trannies who hat what is being said are just rying to shit the thread to make the conversation impossible, as if that was a victory
>>721643302>It's not for you to decide for others, either. It's an objective truth that not all men want what you want.Which is why you're trying to do that in response to a total shitpost? Why can't you retards have principles before they're beaten into you? It is really rather making me think that justice comes from making my enemies bleed. If there's no other way to make you live by what you preach.
>>721643552Fantastic news for you rightsts then
>>721624108This. And I don't understand why people are so angry over people not liking one of the most boring story tropes out there. I'm not saying this as a bad or negative thing, but it feels like people who like TDiD are virgins or people who have really low self-esteem, just judging by the replies this post got.
>>721643302>The draft in our age is a universally easy thing to dodge in most of the worldAre you fucking retarded or do you seriously think this is a retort? Any society full of men that en masse dodge the draft will simply be replaced by one that doesn't. In order to keep society functioning you need men to fight, kill, and die to protect it from another. If you do not, the society no longer exists. "JUST DODGE THE DRAFT" is not a retort to "men are fundamentally expected to protect women, to the death if need be".Let me give you a primal example. You're part of the ruling "tribe" in a primal time. You have 1, maybe 2 of the women in your group all to yourself. A rival tribe attacks, and you and the other men just run away, leaving the women behind.Your tribe no longer exists, you no longer have a woman, your children (if you had any) are probably killed and your progeny is ended unless you find another tribe of women to take over because their men weren't strong enough to stop you."Just dodge the draft xDD" is not a response, you drooling retard.
>>721642975>fat stinky bitch who I almost vomited on when I was licking her pussyThis was my first experience eating a chick out, there were literal crumbs of stained tissue paper in her pubes. Greetings from Kazakhstan!
Getting a bitch with 0 personality is not part of the hero's journey and gets in the way. Romance is usually poorly done since video game writing is mostly dogshit.
>>721643330I'm sorry you live in a frustrating society, but don't expect the rest of us to drool over an overused trope just because it projects an ideal that's increasingly challenging to achieve in your country.What about stories that start with the man already happily married with children? Stories of pure brotherhood? Stories of men or women sworn off love because they are part of orders with greater purposes in their society? Are they inferior because you happen to be suffering? No, I don't think anyone here is so narcissistic they would say that.
>>721643181Because it gets intentionally denied to men as a blackmail, women accusing men of always thinking about sex (and laughing at and shaming them when they don't) is like israel (death to all kikes) accusing palestinians of only thinking about food.
>>721643605>Golapost moving for the purpose of build strawmen and ad hominemleave your basement already
>>721643804>people who like TDiD are virginslike clockwork, the seething foid busts out the ad hom and can only think in terms of sex
>>721643787yes, because that shit flops and we are directed toward normality again, even if it won't be fast
>>721643815Why do you insist on living by the most primal, most fundamental mindset possible at all times?
>>721643875"the rest of us" are few and mostly despised
>>721644014Just two more decades, incelsisters!
>>721643181What else does a woman offer?
All that butt-injury because troony does not get to decide what others find hot or spend their money on, lel
>>721643926nice projection
>>721644109Few on the site, maybe. But no, we're most of the world. If you're suggesting this is happening to most of the world, then you're stuck in some delusional doom spiral.
>>721643468Wouldn't that be everyone that doesn't reproduce?
>>721624108kek you got owned
>>721643787"I enjoy eating shit because in my opinion, shit tastes great" is very easy to understand, but I do not feel like you'll successfully be able to convince others to eat shit like that.
>>721643839So instead of improving on it you just cut it completely.
>My groomer discord is agreeing with me, that must means the world does too!loool
>>721644251Giving a sad incel's life some purpose. Unless you consider screeching about woke media like it's your job "a purpose".
>>721644073NTA, but maybe because it's what's present at all times. If it's only the most fundamental thing, why do you act like you can at some later point dispense with the foundation of what you've constructed?
>>721623220>there's a particular crusade against the "and he gets a girl at the end" element of the Hero's Journey in video games nowadays?How else are you gonna get population reduction going m9? You have to clap the culture, the economics and intersex relationships. First you have to cut the culture which reinforces that men protect women. You tell the women that they're stronk so they'll lap that shit up right up until they turn 38-39, and that's half the job done.
>>721623220I love this pic
"Breeding is the point of life" says the extremely smart man who frequents r/atheism
pseuds can't handle the beauty in simplicity
/v/chuds really try to believe the world is collapsing so they don't have to accept most people around them are happily married in healthy relationships with children
>>7216442052 more decades of your ilk chimping out and destroying your own cities when you don't get your way?
>>721644497"death is the point of life" says the spiteful mutant who should kill himself immediately
>>721644497>"be fruitful, multiply, and fill the earth"Looks like God doesn't disagree on this point.
>>721644587>happily married
>>721644429Rightists love eating shit. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue.
>>721644497You are here right now because people reproduced. So is everyone else on this planet.
>>721643078I reached a point in my life where it should be statistically impossible not to get a nice looking girl. I make more cash than 95% of my country's population, got quite fit, and got no problem with communication, so it should be a no brainer on paper that they'd give me a go but all I see is that hot / cute bitches would rather be with pudgy niggas in tshirts with food stains on them. It's rejection after rejection that I'm getting.>>721643824Cheers. Ain't wishing that experience on any man.
>>721644618If Fox News said it, it must be true
>>721644587LolLmao even
>>721637678her body her choice. it came from her body. thats her choice.
>>721644448Why would I want to live forever at the ground floor? Why would I want to eat nothing but berries and raw meat? Because I can, because it pleases me, because I think I can have more.Why not run into the wilds with an agreeable woman and live free of modernity if you're so obsessed with your primal ideals? Fuck five kids into her and live off the land?No, you enjoy video games because you like the taste of modernity, even if it's not the flavour of modernity in vogue right now. That's all it is.
There is 50/50 male female so there is a woman for every man on planet. If women are letting guys be incels the government should draft them to be my gf.
>>721644865>Why not run into the wilds with an agreeable woman and live free of modernity if you're so obsessed with your primal ideals?You are such a dumbass pseudointellectual lmaoThe ancestral unit of humanity is the tribe, not a nuclear family. It's as retarded to expect a nuclear family to live off the land without interference as to expect the average person to be a self sufficient farmer. The material reality of geopolitics precludes that for anyone except those wealthy enough to not have the desire to escape.
>>721644863>the single mother is black with a black kidJEEEEJ
>>721644874Actual there more females than males.
>>721645184there should only be 1 male (me)
>>721644751That anon thinks that 'life' encompasses everything ever in such a way that it's impossible to determine what the point of anything is without some socialist superintelligence calculating the one thing that is the point.Instead of the world being multipolar and the point of life being life and other things being their own points.Just look at the question from this angle: How exactly is a man to decide what to put their effort towards? If there is only one point, then there is no choice. Since there is choice, there is choice between points, and therefore a plurality of points.
>>721644818>it's Fox news brainwashing you, ignore your own lying eyes and ears!No one is falling for it anymore.
>>721644701>>721644863>MURICA MURICA MURICA MURICASo exhausting. What are we in the rest of the world supposed to do about your problems? I'm lost.>make better gamesWe do?>send womenThey act like your women the moment they arrive where you are>dieMake us.>leave this siteBut some boards are actually tolerable?
>>721631381>Considering the general reaction to this revelationHow was the reaction actually? I don't care much for Xenoblade but I'm a little curious about that.
>>721644863If people aren't having kids, what incentive is there for them to invest in the future?
>>721644865I get it, you want to live in a floating house, it just isn't possible. Prove to me that you can have systems without basis.
>>721645123>The ancestral unit of humanity is the tribe, not a nuclear family. It's as retarded to expect a nuclear family to live off the land without interference as to expect the average person to be a self sufficient farmer.Then take off with your tribe, whoever they are. Or if they're fucked values-wise, find a new one you can earn a place within. I don't know. Why do you expect me to solve your problems? I just expect you to shut the fuck up about yours.>The material reality of geopolitics precludes that for anyone except those wealthy enough to not have the desire to escape.So the material reality of geopolitics impede your fundamentals? Fucking adapt, then. I'm not your mother. Seems to me like you're obsessed with fitting the square peg of prehistoric lifestyle into the round hole of the world we live in.
>>721624816>It's the woman being a 'reward' for a man acting heroically, a trophy.As it should be. The hero saved her life, and now she owes him her life. Simple as that.
>>721645432It's a global phenomenon. Even you jeets are below replacement rate.
>>721645679shut up you arrogant niggerno one is begging for your advice or for you to help themthis is a Cantonese basket weaving forum
Anyone else noticed that the jeets have been really upset since the H1B thing?
>>721645432See >>721644853Feminism destroy marriage, simple as that>>721645786Countries who treat women as 2nd class dont have this problem
>>721645432>But some boards are actually tolerable?Why aren't you there instead of crying and shitting your pants here?
>>721645535What basis is missing? Most people in most countries have kids and stable marriages. The ones that don't are made up for by migrants from similar cultures with shared roots deep in history.Again, I emphasize - I don't give a half ounce of deep fried shit about the problem that isn't spreading beyond your lands, like you keep claiming. So I'm not interested in recycling tropes just to fulfill your fantasies because your particular societies are in a trouble spot.
>>721645859Yeah they do Anon. Even nogs in Africa and mudslime countries are below replacement.
>>721645184So more than enough, some chad can have 2 but we should get our property
>>721645846Then stop clogging up my vidya board with whining that there aren't enough stories about being able to earn girls to breed, just because you and your neighbours are temporarily impeded by the times from doing so IRL
>>721641013War has a high likelihood of death. I believe the death toll for new ukranian conscripts was 60 % or so. But anyway, war is very lethal, even if you don't believe in those numbers.
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Thread is almost dead but I want to give my two cents really quick.I think the damsel in distress discourse is really fucking weird and disingenuous because it comes from a presumption rather than having any basis in common utilization of the trope. I am primarily referring to this idea that damsels in distress represent this form of objectification, a "prize to be won", as if such an interpretation isn't weirdly backwards it its own right.Let's take Princess Peach as an example. I'm not going to dig through every fucking Mario game to verify this, but in most games she's not portrayed as a prize to be won. Mario isn't going though these worlds to claim the princess as his bride, and the player's reward from said princess usually just amounts to a "Thank You" and a polite kiss on the cheek. Princess Peach is, rather, a convenient shorthand. She's symbolic of the stability and well being of her kingdom, of peace and prosperity in the Mushroom Kingdom free of the tyrannical oppression of their neighboring Koopa Clan. You're not saving her specifically, you're saving the entire Mushroom Kingdom. She's a convenient shorthand for that goal. To reduce that down to "she's a trophy woman you win" is itself weirdly objectifying, and it implies that more passive roles hold no value and should be shamed.
>>721646332Chad can't stop winning
>Hippity hoppity women are property>wtf I don't understand, why am I still single??
>>721646285I don't make the threads anon I just post in them.
>>721646447Thanks for reminding me to start saging my posts.
>>721644296Male conscription is a thing in most of the world.
>>721645976You can fuck off back to your ritual child rape bathhouses. It's only axiomatic that the things you're arguing against, except you don't care of course, are necessary.
>>721635168uh, you don't have sex in the gamesthe character you're playing has sex with the girl afterwardsthat's the whole point, otherwise why would you bother?
>>721646672>ritual child rape bathhousesOh my god, that's terrible! Where?
>>721646752You don't care.
>>721645976>migrants from similar cultures with shared roots deep in history.Lmao, NO ONE is falling for it anymore.
