I think I may have just discovered thebiggest plothole in the entire FinalFantasy series, if not in the history ofgaming.>Tidus gets sent 1000 years in the future>Zanarkand is destroyed in this era>Auron flashbacks show he was with Yuna and Tidus' dad>he also somehow lived in Zanarkand 1000 years ago but olderHow could this pass through thewriter's room? This is genuinely soglaring of a plothole; yet nobodyseems to acknowledge it.
>>721722758He doesnt get sent into the future.Dream Zanarkand(Where tidus comes from) is a physical location in spira, it's in the sea off to the west and is the thing Sin is protecting.It's also why Tidus gets washed up at the locations he did.
>i posted it againsex with ryukku
>>721723006The only thing more pathetic than ritualposters are the terminally online retards that recognize themAlso sex with Rikku
FFX is one of the worst and forgettable FFs ever, it's only well regarded because it was the first PS2 FF and nostalgiafag cancer
>>721723505>it was so bad I couldn't come up with a single reason
>>721722758how do i get my crt shaders to look more like crt?
>>721724357Pick up a free CRT. Shaders can get close, but they just won't present the same as an electron gun striking phosphors.Check out Mega Bezel shaders, though, they look decent.
>>721722946>Dream Zanarkand(Where tidus comes from) is a physical location in spira, it's in the sea off to the west and is the thing Sin is protecting.haven't heard this before
>>721724357That's a little dark and washed-out. Make it just a mite bit sharper, and up the brightness a bit.
Tidus (and Jecht) are basically the same thing as sin. The Fayth sing them into physical being. It's why when yuna sends people they don't melt like Auron and all the maesters. Zanarkand is a real place in Spira. The Zanarkand you come from is a dream of the fayth. Auron, being a ghost got into the fayth somehow (it's been a while, i don't know if they ever bring this up) and does the uncle thing till tidus is spat out into Spira. No one in the game was there 1000 years in the past, besides yu yevon and maybe yunalesca.
>>721722758Incorrect. It is not "time-travel" it is "shrine-travel."Tidus was never alive.He was an Aeon.A physical manifestation of a Fayth's dreams.The very same type-of-being as Jecht.The very same type-of-being as Valefor, Ifrit, Ixion, Shiva, Bahamut.Zanarkand "once existed 1000 years ago," true, but the modern-day Zanarkand is nothing more than a shrine; it's an entire city that voluntarily sacrificed themselves to become an enormous Fayth, inside a shrine, which resides in "the middle of nowhere, out in the ocean," which Sin never allows anyone near.That's Sin's purpose; "protect Zanarkand."People get near it? Kill them.Too many people near it? Kill them.People inventining machines that could find it? Kill them.Auron never time-traveled.Auron shrine-traveled.Auron traveled to the location that his friend, Jecht, was "born" from; the Fayth located in Zanarkand, protected by the now-Sin-Jecht Aeon.It's the only reason Auron was allowed entrance; Jecht still has mild control (which he's quickly losing). He needs his son to kill him. To kill Yu Yevon.Also, the 1000-year-old Fayth, known as Zanarkand... "is tired." They sacrificed themselves to survive the Zarnaked-Bevelle Machine War, and won, but living for 1000 years being stone Fayth isn't worth it to them anymore. They can't stop Yu Yeven, who mindlessly summons Sin which keeps them alive, but they want to.
>>721724618Your essay youtubers missed it perhaps
>>721724618they literally say it in the game
>>721726035do you remember when?
>>721726180Probably Yunalesca's speech.If not that, then when speaking to Bahamut's Fayth. Fayth talk to Tidus when he enters their shrines and solves their puzzles.
>>721726180NTA but immediately after you fight the sanctuary keeper boss
>>721722758So is Jecht really Tidus’s father, or is the father of the real Tidus (something like Shuyen) from FFX-2?
Who the fuck is Wakka?
>>721726690Fayth Zanarkand still mildly reincarnates dreams. Their family is as real as what your dreams are. Based on actual memories? Sure.Perfect 100% 1:1 recreations + their souls of the exact persons they're memories of? Not really, but close.>>721726910A religious man, dedicated to his faith and morals associated by the globally preached Yevon. He judges people who disagree with his values extremely negatively; Al Bhed (100-years-ago, known as people from "Bevelle") who obsess about science and machina (machines), rebels who want change, anarachists, atheists, etc.He, as well as all of the mass population in Spira, recognizes that the most lethal, common, regular threat for his life and the life of the planet is a giant beast called "Sin." That behaving in a way Sin doesn't like will lead to its arrival (and their death). That the only people who have EVER SUCCEEEDED in stopping Sin, even if for just some years, are equally religious people called "Summoners" who MUST sacrifice their own lives to gain temporary global world peace.He loves the underwater soccer sport called blitzball.His brother was Lulu's fiance. His brother was killed by Sin. They miss him.
>>721727605He's also a racist
>>721728446Two Fun Facts For Ya!1. He loves anyone, regardless of race, if they convert to being Yevonites. That includes giant blue lion furry people with horns!2. The biggest reason he LOUDLY hates Al Bhed people? It's because his brother used a gun when fighting Sin. Guns are machina. Machines. An Al Bhed gave him that gun to use. Wakka blames the Al Bhed for his brother's death; if the Al Bhed didn't ignor Yevonism, if the Al Bhed didn't have machina, if the Al Bhed were all GONE, DEAD, and never influenced his brother... Chappu wouldn't be dead.
Okay so I don't get it>Its not time travel past zanarkand is actually a real place in spira but actually its not real Your explanations make zero sense, plus we literally see Auron talking to a kid Tidus I think, which he would have NEEDED to time travel to do.
>>721722758Auron is dead, anon.He goes to dream zanarkand to take care of titus, because titus is a dream as well.he's an old fuck because of that
>>721729471Yeah that's actually another glaring plot hole. If he's unsent, why does he age? Doesn't make sense.
>>721728813Yeah, good portrayal of a racist character. Being racist doesn't inherently mean you're a bad person
>>721729405>Your explanations make zero senseI can try to explain them, sure.>plus we literally see Auron talking to a kid Tidus I think,That's a flashback. Tidus' flashback, in fact. I'll explain:● Drunkard Jecht sailed a dinghy out into the ocean● Storms swept his boat away - Jecht never returned● This occured when Tidus was a child. ~9-years-old.● When Tidus "remembers" his father Jecht, he remembers a drunkard who teased him as a child■ When Auron "remembers" his friend Jecht, he remembers a drunkard who was a dumbass who knew NOTHING about Spira, Aeons, Fayth, Yevon or Sin.■ Jecht eventually learned about Spira. Learned about his friend Braska. Learned about his friend Auron. Learned about himself.■ Jecht sacrificed himself during their battle against Sin.■ Jecht's final request to his "living" friend, Auron, was to care for his 9-year-old son he left behind in Zanarkand, and to make him strong.■ Make raise him strong enough to bring him outside of Zanarkand... and come kill him.■ Auron agreed.What you see is a flashback just a decade, to a time when Jecht very recently disappeared (and sacrificed himself to kill Sin), and Auron is fulfilling his friend's promise to raise his son.>which he would have NEEDED to time travel to do.It's a flashback. A custscene. A story memory. You're not witnessing "in-real-time" events occurring. They're projections of memories. The Fayth of Spira use those little faeries, those little colorful glowing orbs that fly out of the dead bodies when Summoner's dance and sing, to project their memories into existence. Aeons are massive cultivations of those faeries, the Farplane near Guadosalam is like a theme park of memories farmed into existence by dead spirites flying around, what we see as the Video Fame Player Playing FFX are such memories.Time-travel does not occur.
>>721729664He does that so people don't think it's weird that a guy who's been around for years doesn't seem to get older. He can control what he looks like.
>>721722758>Tidus gets sent 1000 years in the futuredumb fucking speedreading zoomer
>>721724357don't use shaders, it's a grift. just sit farther back from your screen.
>>721730129I agree.Different values, but that doesn't make one set right and one set wrong. Wakka is loud about it because it's his method of coping with his brother's death. Instead of accepting that his brother chose to use a gun, he'd rather shift all blame somewhere else. He loves his brother, but he (thinks) he doesn't know any Al Bhed... so blame the Al Bhed and continue to praise his brother.It turns out he DOES know an (half) Al Behd, and later a full-Al Bhed, and the entire value system of Al Bhed WASN'T evil, it was simply the threat Sin (Yevon) felt, and even the Yevon Fayth was tired of their own living-dreams and was siding with the idea of stopping their religious existence. Something the Maesters he respected didn't agree with and hid from everyone out of greed and fear.Wakka was simply fleeing from the truth, but coincidentally was fleeing toward the best truth to consider to keep Sin away. Also, while Yevonites were "using" the planet's souls for their own religious uses, the Al Bhed were using that same energy to power machines, so it was pretty much lose-lose.
>>721722758I think you didn't play the game
>>721729664For the same reason Aeons look different; they have the ability to change their appearance. They can look like whatever they want to. Strong Fayth can show stronger Aeons. More Fayth and make those Aeons more powerful.Ever wonder why the Aeons look like mythical beasts? Supernatural beings are cool!Why "Bahamut's" Fayth is actually a young boy who idolizes the power of a dragon? Dragons are cool!Why the "Magus Sisters" look pretty much just like their own Fayth that dreams them... they're just stronger and blonde (and look like bugs)? They want to be cool!Auron looks older because he thinks that looks cool.Grand Maester looks like he's 70 because it causes fewer questions when he's actually 99 and never dying. It's also why, when he learns that Yuna and her party have LITERALLY KILLED Yunalesca, he says>FUCK THIS, WE'RE DOOMEDand instantly vanishes. He gives up on life and chooses to stop existing.
>>721731132>griftOkay time for you faggots to learn a new word. Ever since you learned that word you keep parroting it because it makes you sound cool even when it makes zero sense in the context that you're using it in.
>>721725849That's not how time works. It's time travel.
>>721732448Yup. If you visit the Farplane down over near Guadosalam, any living person can wish they see their dead family, the little fairies swirl together and let you look at them IRL. People love visiting the Farplane like its a visual cemetary. They can see anything.
>>721722758FFX was kinda confusing near the end but they made it pretty clear there was no time travel.
>>721732942And now we're done discussing the events of the video game "Final Fantasy X" on 4chan since. Enjoy the rest of your Friday.
Ai thread
>say something factually wrong>retards come out of the woodwork to correct you and feel smartevery time
>>721725849You get it, but there's a little bit I need to correct. Dream Zanarkand and all the people in it including Tidus and Jecht are Aeons. The Fayth for Dream Zanarkand is on Mt. Gagazet, which is where the whole plot reveal happens. Current day Zanarkand is just a ruin which you go to right afterwards to meet Yunalesca.Aeons are still technically living, breathing creatures, Tidus and Jecht are practically indistinguishable from humans since that's what the Fayth manifests them as. Auron on the other hand is an Unsent, he's just dead and doesn't want to move on because he has a job to do, which is why he's able to safely travel to Dream Zanarkand via Sin since it's just out in the ocean.
It's fun to see there's actual worldbuilding plot and backstory in the game beyond the childish and dismissive "pff, it's just hallways, you're dumb" that angry kids post when they see people enjoyed a game they weren't around for and don't want to invest time playing now.
>>721734192>The Fayth for Dream Zanarkand is on Mt. GagazetOh right.The Aeon(s) of Zanarkand are out at sea, but the Fayth (shrine) is on the mountain. It's been more than 20 years since I played it, that's true. It's why the Fayth still are "alive" and have color, they aren't "stone" and have are grey. When they stop living (dreaming), they'll petrify.
>>721724357use retroarch
>>721729405It is real. It's just a summon. Summons are still real, they just require a summoner and a Fayth to exist, which can put a lot of mental and physical strain on both. Hence why all the Fayth of the Aeons ask you to kill Sin for good to end the cycle of death. Auron just watches over Tidus from when he's young until the present day because Jecht asked him to.
>>721722758The biggest plothole in Final Fantasy is in 8 when Ellone absolutely is not needed at all to cause time compression.This also ties with the dumbest moment in Final Fantasy which is also in 8 when Laguna's plan to defeat Ultimecia is to let her cause time compression, the thing everybody has been trying to stop and hope everybody doesn't die even though at best Ultimecia has absolute knowledge of the future and at worst she knows time compression will happen. She also loses for no reason.
>>721734286FFX's world and setting are just really interesting and fun to talk about or explain. It's a bit of a shame people don't get it but it also just means more reasons to get into it. I think a lot of people just get tripped up on the use of the word "dream", as it's both a metaphor for being in stasis and an idealized form of something, and the idea that Aeons can just be anything, including humans, while still just being living creatures the same as any other.
>>721726473That's the fayth that is responsible for dreaming the city, but that the city itself is manifested somewhere in the world is news to me. It makes sense though.
>>721722758Dream Zanarkand is a thing today, actual past Zanarkand is another
>>721734192Where are you pulling all this information? What the fuck is an "unsent?" That term definitely wasn't in the game.If your source is some fanfic Final Fantasy marketing magazine I'm going to ignore you.
its a dream retardthey used wizard machine magic to make that shit real
>>721736682Unsent is a term used in the remake, X-2 specifically.
>the beginning of the game is just a dream/illusionwtf?
>>721736682http://auronlu.istad.org/ffx-script/chapter-xiv-mika-baaj-fayth/
>>721736682>What the fuck is an "unsent?"You did not play Final Fantasy X and your posts are just "ignorant," you're outright acting like a Troll.Unsent (死人/死者, Shibito/Shisha?, lit. Dead person/Departed) is a state of being in Spira in Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2, and the common name for those in that state. When a person dies his or her spirit enters the Farplane, either willingly by having accepted death, or with the help of a summoner performing a sending. If a person's spirit does not enter the Farplane it will remain on Spira as an "unsent", where the person's pyreflies reconstruct their body, usually in their old image. The unsent can still send their own souls no matter how long they have lingered and their bodies will disperse into pyreflies.
>>721736836So your source is the same game that shits on the original FFX lore and killed the entire FF series. I'm going to stick to the original FFX lore and ignore your "Yuna becomes Britney Spears of Spira" fanfic nonsense.
Auron: They are the unsent, departed souls that do not belong in my asshole.
>>721736682I don't remember whether 'unsent' was used in FFX, but concept was introduced during your pilgrimage.First village your party visits gets wrecked by sin and Yuna performs ritual to send dead to farplane.Also you see Seymour's father trying to walk out of farplane (to alert everyone) and Yuna sends him.Before Yunalesca's fight you can see Auron's solo charge during which he dies.
Why does the unsent become fiends? They can't just become butterflies?
>>721737024It's literally used during Lulu's explanation of what a beast/monster is, at the beginning of their journey, to Tidus.She describes the summoner's role is two-fold:1. Destroy Sin2. Performing a "sending."A "sending" is the singing/dancing that relaxes tense souls (see: pyreflies) that have just died, and helps them accept their own deaths.Once the stressed pyreflies (see: ghosts) of the dead accept their deaths and move on to the Farplane, the "sending" is finished and they are past-tense "sent."If they refuse to accept their deaths, or if no summoner is around to performing a sending, they do not leave for the Farplane and remain in Spira as "unsent" ghost beings. This is incredibly stressful to them which usually leads to them losing their minds and morphing into beasts/monsters (which you fight frequently in Spira). It's why beasts and monsters exist in Spira; the dead-of-the-living, the "unsent," never get a "sending" from a summoner. They never accept their deaths, and no one was around to help them realize it. It's the spiritual nature of the video game world of Final Fantasy X's Spira.SendingSending Ghosts to the FarplaneGhostsDeadSentUnsent
>>721722758*sigh*TIDUS WAS NEVER IN ZANARKAND. His whole life there was nothing but the memory of Aeons who created him, his mom, dad, and everything. He is a walking "dream" they created and summoned fourth by the Aeons to find a way to break the cycle so they can rest. Since Auron is already dead, he can pierce the veil between the world of the living and the world of the dead, which he does do to get to Tidus at Jecht's request.
Tidus and all of Zanarkand is one massive summon being kept alive by the dreaming inhabitants of old Zanarkand, who are basically in a state of eternal stasis.
Remember!X-2 is feminist propaganda posing as a sequel...UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN!
>>721737998>Why does the unsent become fiends?Being "unsent" is stressful to the spirit. Frustrating. Painful. Depressing. Scary. To remain "unsent" for a long time, to refuse to accept your own death for a long time, is very taxing and causes your mind to wane. You become less "aware." You become more "primal." You stop caring about anything, you're just a mindless beast. You become what Spira knows as a "fiend."People with strong egos, strong spiritual awareness, can remain unsent for much longer than, say, children or stupid people.>>721737998>They can't just become butterflies?They can!All they need to do is accept that they're dead.All dead souls reside in the Farplane (Guadosalam). The afterlife.
>>721737808>>721737014>>721736983>>721736836Shame on all of you for falling for the most obvious bait.
>>721738603>merely pretending
>>721738338You need meds. These conspiracy theories are getting more ridiculous each passing day.
>>721727605Lenne is so hot. No wonder Shuyin was ready to commit genocide over her.
>>721736682Unsent is used constantly throughout the game to refer to the people that have died with regrets. What do you think Yuna did when she danced? Why do you think it was called the Sending? Why am I putting more effort into this than is needed for someone that obviously didn't play the game?
>>721738671I'm not the one who posted the bait you fucking retard. I'm shaming you for falling for their obvious trolling.
>>721738040If Auron is a ghost, how come does his sword hurt? Why bother being alive if you can have just as much physical impact while dead?
>>721729405Why are you discussing a game you haven't played? I hate you people so much.
>>721738216>TIDUS WAS NEVER IN ZANARKANDNot entirely true; what Tidus knows as "Zanarkand," the place he lived the first 20 years of his life in, is essentially an Aeon itself. It's a genuinely real place, it truly exists, in-real-time, out in the middle of the ocean. It is a different Zanarkand than the Zanarkand which is nothing more than ancient ruins which summoners find on their journeys."Dream Zanarkand" is not "Zanarkand." It is a summoned city. For all intents and purposes, it is indistinguishable from any other city, though, physically.It would be like if Planet Earth summoned "Dream Rome" and had it appear in the middle of the Mediterranean Sea. It's not the same Rome, Italy thats on land, but it's a physical representation of the ancient Rome from 1000 years ago. Don't go near it, though; Sin will kill you.
>>721738785It's ok, one day you might be able to understand game's plot.
>>721738991Please kill yourself, you retarded fool.
>>721738989>Don't go near it, though; Sin will kill you.this is deep...
>>721722758>mc is pro footbal player>first contact in spira is a racist pro football player who throws a ball at your head>instantly become brosffx unironically 10/10
>>721738603Took me literally 10 seconds to make that reply with a definitive source. I was hoping that it would preempt other replies, but apparently not.
>>721738687This is explained explicitly in the game. Did you just not read anything or pay attention to any cutscenes? You even see the old Zanarkand inhabitants in stasis inside the walls in one of the backgrounds near old Zanarkand, can't be assed to comb through a playthrough to find it but they're there.
So the FFX plot is all just magical fallout from a magic vs tech war? It's a post apocalypse scenario where the weapons of an ancient war have become objects of worship?
So if Auron is one of those flying plasmaballs, why did he resent people who were alive? And no, I didn't watch or give a shit of those flashback sphere scenes.
>>721724618Because you lack basic comprehension tools/didn't play the game
>>721739062Strong negative emotions will lead you to becoming fiend.
>>721739358pretty much, all the talk of time travel at the beginning was just a red herring intentionally introduced to hide the plot twists at the end
>>721738819>how come does his sword hurt?God I hate ESL faggots.
>>721739358More or less
If Tidus didn't time travel, why does everyone around him insist Zanarkand was destroyed a thousand years ago?
>>721739425He was strong enough to keep his form and mind.
>>721739686You are mad because you can't answer my questions. It makes no sense for a ghost to hurt. Why be alive if you can engage with life and reality regardless?
>>721739818He got too close to sin, unironically.
>>721739818Because it was. The Zanarkand current Tidus is from is just a memory of the destroyed one summoned to reality by spirits.
>>721739864So Auron was some kind of super soldier capable of supernatural deeds?
>>721739348>You even see the old Zanarkand inhabitants in stasis inside the walls in one of the backgrounds near old Zanarkand, can't be assed to comb through a playthrough to find it but they're there.Here. It's posted already. Mt. Gagazet. >>721734561
>>721739518They don't think it's a chicken btw, chickens peck at anything red and they're probably just waiting for some water.
>>721740006I never realized FFX was this fucking stupid, I'm going to reduce its score from 9 to 8.
>>721739358It's a bit more than that. It's an old civilization refusing to die by keeping its population locked in an eternal dream state, so they can summon/manifest an eternal dream life, being protected by a giant monster who they keep feeding in a continuous cycle of pilgrimages. They set up an entire false religion around this. The end of the game where you defeat Yu Yevon and Tidus disappears is basically all the souls of the Dreamers of the Fayth finally moving onto the Farplane. The whole machina vs. religion angle is basically the Al-Bhed trying to advance their own civilization, while the Yevonites are trying to keep the pilgrimages/sacrifices going to keep Zanarkand alive/the dream going.
should i play vii or x first?
>>721740124No! Not the score!!
A FFX lore thread without cuckoldry, decapitations, and blitzbombs? A first!
>>721740185Do you live and breath FFX because you don't sound like a person who played this game 20 years ago last time.
>>721740189Whichever one you think has the cooler setting
If you still had a CRT when FFX came out your parents failed as caretakers for you, brokeboy.
>>721740428I've played through it like twice, last time probably 10 years ago. I remember all this shit because I have a functioning brain and actually pay attention when I play a video game.I have no idea what happens in FFX-2 or that shitty novel because it's obvious FFX is a self-contained story and I never gave a fuck to check it out. I just know Tidus comes back in X-2, which is enough for me to disregard it completely.
>>721740532CRTs were still the standard when the fucking 360 and PS3 came out 5-6 years later, you fucking retarded zoomer.
>>721740534By "functioning brain" you must mean severe case of autism that limits all aspects of your nonexistent social life.I'm going to be straight with you and say that 99% of people who ever played FFX wouldn't recognize your descriptions of the game. Nothing to do with functioning brains, FFX simply leaves things open and up to interpretation.
>>721740441x is mostly beaches and nature right?might go for vii then
>>721740809FFX is not a Golden Age FF game. FF4-FF9 are the great ones (FF8 is the black sheep.)
>>721740950thanks, anon
>>721740532Who the fuck didn't have a CRT in the early 2000s?
>>721741006You're welcome, son.
>>721739358Correct.Spiritual people from Zanarkand were at war with scientific people from Bevelle.Zanarkand was using summons and magic to fight, Bevelle was using industry and machines.Zanarkand was losing. They decided to enter stasis, become "Fayth," to preserve their lives and culture and memories.A genius summoner named Yu Yevon created a magical Aeon at the last minute that was strong enough to win the war, but it was practically mindless. It was called "Sin." More like a virus that just killed everything.His daughter, Yunalesca, and her lover knight, created a new "Final Aeon" that stopped her father's Aeon, Sin... but it couldn't kill it. She discovered Sin simply supplanted her lover, her Final Aeon, and reincarnated itself. True, it stopped acting like an apocolyptic monster for a long time while it generated the power to reincarnate, but once it returned, it resumed destroying everything-except-Zanarkand.Yunalesca decided create the "Yevon" religion, placing her knowledge/beliefs as a religiously spiritual person from Zanarkand, in order to creater more summoners who can get strong enough to repeat her own idea of a "Final Summon" in order to "stop" Sin, for at least a while before it reincarnates after stealing the Final Summon that just broke it. An endless loop. Sin's either strong enough it kills as it pleases, or it's defeated by something stronger which it immediately infects and takes over to become a new Sin that even stronger than before. Over and over. For 1000 years.Spira is post apocalypse of the Zanarkand-Bevell "Machina War" from 1000 years ago.Sin is armaggedon.
>>721739209His first contact in Spira was with a hot young mechanic
>>721740689>playing and understanding a video game means you have autismWhy do you even play games like this if you don't try and understand what's going on? To be fair, the game is deliberately designed for you to not know what the fuck is happening until the very end, and it makes way more sense on a second playthrough, but if you're getting filtered by the story in fucking FFX I can't imagine how dumb you must be. All the shit I'm saying is spelled out around the time you have the campfire scene from what I remember, which is when you realize the entire game up to that point was Tidus's account of all this shit that he is explaining to them around the campfire because he realizes completing his journey means that he's going to disappear. The opening line of the game "listen to my story, this could be my last chance" happens near the end of the plot, he says that because he knows when they finish their pilgrimage he's going to die.This game's story is fucking great and it's a shame you missed out on it because you didn't pay attention I guess. Understanding the plot in a plot-driven game doesn't make you autistic.
>>721738819>Why bother being alive if you can have just as much physical impact while dead?I think it takes a strong willpower and sense of purpose to even exist as an Unsent, most spirits just end up as fiends.
>>721740532CRTs were still the standard when FFX hitIt was only until X-2 when the media started reporting on LCDs outselling and eventually replacing CRTs from there
>>721739425His ego was strong enough to prevent it. He had enough focus. Enough state-of-mind to keep collected... literally.Like many other unsent beings in FFX, like the elite Maesters, Yunalesca, like Maechen (the narrator).
>>721735321"dreaming the city" just means that they're summoning the entire fucking city somewhere and that somewhere is in the middle of the sea
>>721739923>It makes no sense>ghosts make no sense!Are you speaking from the perspective of FFX or from the perspective of Longstown, Ohio?
>>721740689Having a decent memory is severe autism nowadays? Standards really are slipping
>>721740017>supernaturalFrom which perspective? FFX's world, or Planet Earth?You sound like you aren't willing to understand the term "fiction."
>>721741080It is never said that Sin gets stronger with each incarnation. Just that Yu, who no longer has a will of his own just a need to summon Sin, takes over the final Aeon as material for a new Sin.
>>721741135Remembering nonsensical word salad from 20 years ago is pure autism. Functioning brains filter such useless information as time passes. It's not about capacity to understand either, when the object of understanding is nonsensical to begin with. FFX lore, as you represent it, is just random bullshit details pulled out of someone's arsehole. All this bullshit about dream worlds, memory realities, living deads, not even the writer himself understands what he wrote. It's just nonsense.I was impressed by your ability to remember such useless information but I'm not so impressed when you call the game's story great. Because it's just random esoteric bullshit.
>>721722758FFX was being developed at the same time as spirits within. For the first like three quarters of the development cycle, square was riding high on the obscene success of FF7. They were indestructible. FF8 and 9's performance didnt really matter - square was going all in on new rendering technology and they were sure that FF10 was going to blow 7 out of the water in sales when it launched. So naturally, all of the early dev shit is a hodge modge of eclectic, weird esoteric ideas that the people at square were obsessed with at the time - a coherent story was not a priority, because look at how the ps2 renders water, we can make these big ass water spheres and blitzball and tropical islands. It looks so cool, who cares about plot? And then spirits within released, was quickly forgotten and single handedly drove the company into bankruptcy while forcing Hironobu Sakaguchi to leave the industry in shame. At that point, there was no time to retouch the plot or somehow turn all these disparate ideas into a story that makes sense; square had to release the game ASAP if they were going stay afloat for the sixth console generation. So thats how you get the most nonsensical jrpg ever.
>>721739358it's an alternative future of FF6's war of the magi, which just so happens to also be 1000 years in the past in FF6
>>721741952>Remembering nonsensical word salad from 20 years ago is pure autism.It makes perfect sense in the context of the fictional world the game takes place in. It sounds like you don't have a functional imagination and are unable to comprehend worlds that don't exist by the same rules as ours.>Functioning brains filter such useless information as time passes.Stupid brains filter out things that don't work exactly like real life, because they're stupid.>It's not about capacity to understand either, when the object of understanding is nonsensical to begin with.It makes perfect sense to everyone who is able to understand basic fiction.>FFX lore, as you represent it, is just random bullshit details pulled out of someone's arseholeIf it's random, why does it make logical sense? Do you even have an imagination?It just sounds like you got filtered and are mad about it for some reason. This game doesn't expect any more out of its audience than a movie like Inception or some shit, it's really not that complicated. I guess expecting the player to actually pay attention was something they took for granted back then though.
>>721725849theres one thing i was never clear on, tidus and jecht never actually existed right? as in they are strictly aeons created by the dreaming zanarkand and they were never humans
>>721742115Finally, someone who has a clue and is reasonable enough tell FFX story is just nonsense. You even used the word "esoteric" correctly. Have a good day, Sir.
>>721741135Kids have always become angry and emotional when they don't understand something. Providing reason is never good enough for stupid, unwilling people. They want stimulus and comfort; anything else is "bad," and if anyone else finds it stimulating or comforting, they're "bad."
>>721742241not that anon but anons who reply to every single sentence in a post are mentally ill
>>721742318It's not "nonsense", it just isn't told in a linear fashion. The game starts near the end when they have the campfire scene before going to Old Zanarkand. When that scene happens late in the game, and the literal opening of the game plays out in real-time, that's supposed to be the big reveal moment when everything clicks, and all those times when Tidus's voice is randomly talking in first-person about shit that's happening to him in the moment makes sense because he's literally telling the party around the campfire. I assumed most people understood this. That's why they're all sad and that sad piano music is playing, because he's basically telling them he's not real and that he's going to die. Maybe part of why I remember this shit is because it's a legitimately impactful moment that's done really well. All the shit you're ranting about being "esoteric" and "nonsensical" is deliberately done that way to make the player feel as confused as Tidus trying to piece all this shit together himself. The fact that you didn't understand it is more or less the entire fucking point.
>>721742241>It makes perfect senseNope, it doesn't, I can tell you have never studied logic in your entire life because you are a walking contradiction. Fiction is supposed to respect the laws of logic and be comprehensible; because fiction is written by humans, for humans. Unlike what you claim, fiction is not supposed to be just nonsense where concepts are empty and hold no content. You are exactly the type of person who thinks a banana taped on a wall is art. It's really not. There needs to be a meaningful structure, not just random bullshit thrown on the wall.FFX and Spirits Within are the same utter garbage. I don't see you having any hope of getting a higher education when your brains are filled with garbage.
>>721742776You seem unable to understand that you can have a logical system that is self-coherent that works nothing like real life.
I fucking love this game like you wouldn't believe. >>721738216>TIDUS WAS NEVER IN ZANARKAND. wrong x2. he goes to the ruins of zanarkand near the end of the game. he is also from the other zanarkand.>His whole life ... was nothing but the memory of Aeons who created him,wrong. fayth created him, not aeons.>He is a walking "dream" they created and summoned fourth by the Aeons to find a way to break the cycle so they can rest.wrong. he is an aeon, not a dream. summoned by the fayth. he is also not special in any way from the other aeons. the only thing special about him is that this is HIS story.>Since Auron is already dead, he can pierce the veil between the world of the living and the world of the deadwrong. summoned zanarkand is a physical place in the ocean. >which he does do to get to Tidus at Jecht's request.correct.
Love how Spira just takes a page out of Disney Star Wars playroom Abandoning their religions, cultures, a entire way of life in the span of a few years after FFX. You'd figure giving up everything you know would at least take a decade, maybe 2
>>721741806>It is never said that Sin gets stronger with each incarnation.I'll grant you that.My reason for preaching that is from the "time periods" that are provided to the player called "Calm.">A "Calm" is the peaceful time when Sin does not appear. Even when obviously tempted, Sin is gone.>It begins after a High Summoner succeeds in creating a Final Aeon and defeats Sin in battle.>It ends after an indeterminate amount of time, but is obvious when Sin is seen again.>The period in between that beginning and that end is a new "Calm.">There have only been a few High Summoners.>In fact, only FIVE people have gained the title "High Summoner" in Spira.>Only 5 in 1000 years.>The FIRST Calm has history telling it lasted HUNDREDS of years.>The most RECENT Calm (Braska) seems to have lasted less-than-a-decade.>These Calms are getting shorter and shorter.>To justify that, to cope with that, to reason that, Sin/Yu Yevon must either be "winning" more or the High Summoners must be "stronger" than before.>Otherwise weaker summoners could combine together and win. But they can't. Only "Final Aeons" can win. To reason that win, the have to be stronger/better/faster/more able than their opponent Sin/Yu Yevon.>Sin/Yu Yevon recognizes that loss and decides to steal that better, stronger Final Aeon that defeated it.>The resulting incarnation is stronger than before.>The resulting Calm is shorter than before.>The first Calm was centuries.>The recent Calm was a decade.Again, I'll grant that is NOT spoken as truth in the game. But I will claim it is insinuated and implied.
>>721742927What coherence is there in a shy summoner girl becoming an ass-shaking Britney Spears wanna-be who poses with dual pistols?
>>721724618>>721724618its the fucking end of the gameits in the fucking casethe 1st thing you see from the game is them showing you its a fucking dream nigger god
>>721743436NTA you responded to but I hadn't considered that before and it makes sense. remake where yu yevon possesses tidus when?>>721743521x-2 is not canon. It is a separate continuity.
>>721743436Sin doesn't follow DBZ rules. If it did heroes would eventually hit a plateau and not be able to defeat Sin ending the cycle in the apocalypse
>>721743521For me the story begins and ends with FFX, I don't give a shit about the sequels. To lay it out as simply as possible:>the entire game is a flashback of Tidus recounting his memories with the party up until the campfire scene>he's telling them his story because he pieces together the true nature of the pilgrimage, and they're right about to reach the end of it>he's basically telling them to kill him and bring down this entire false religion instead of go through with the traditional summoning where Yuna will die instead and perpetuate the cycle>he does this because he has fallen in love with Yuna and wants her to keep living>in other words he's asking his lover to kill him>Suteki da Ne is from Yuna's perspective, about how much she wishes she could just abanadon the pilgrimage and go live with Tidus inside Dream ZanarkandTo add to this, the English translation fucked up the ending line. Yuna doesn't say "I love you", she says "Arigatou". She's thanking him for allowing her to keep living. She doesn't say she loves him because it doesn't need to be said and it would be too painful.There's a reason why this game is so popular with women, it's basically the best love story ever told in vidya.
>>721734569https://superdeluxegames.jp/en/collections/ps5/products/ps5-tomba-de
>>721743521People change? The ass-shaking comes from Lenne's spirit influencing her through the dressphere though. She was trying to be more like Rikku, but it didn't suit her so she went back to being shy and reclusive after.
>>721742258>neverUltimately, that English word is never agreeably defined by the audience playing FFX or the team translating the story. This remains true for the Japanese word for "never." Too many humans exaggerate for the sake of communication or example.I'll claim that, "yes," Tidus & Jecht both DID live as humans before. They are (were) genuinely real people, citizens of the ancient, 1000-year-old city Zanarkand.HOWEVER... they probably were not named "Tidus" and "Jecht." They could have been called "Lionel Messi" and "Tom Brady," its just hard to remember... and the Fayth dreaming those memories are getting pretty dang tired. Similarly, they didn't necessarily look, or act, exactly like Tidus & Jecht did... but close enough. An entire city filled with millions of people asked to remember their most famous sports star will PROOOOOOOOBABLY describe him pretty similarly/accurately. But, then again, there's probably other people who will claim they remember him as "a drunk p.o.s. who abandons his family," so that gets added to the history books.I will mention, however, that FFX-2 does explore that exact thought a small bit, though, with the introduction of "Shuyin." It claims "Shuyin" did exist and Tidus was based on him. However, Shuyin was an asshole and became corrupted and that was NOT the Aeon Tidus who got raised by the Unsent Auron and traveled the planet to defeat armaggedon. Again, that is introduced in FFX-2, though.
>>721744270>There's a reason why this game is so popular with womenIt's not a product for men, that's for sure.
>>721744735You think Lulu's design was made for women? Also the Japanese understanding of masculinity isn't being a retarded brute or can't understand themes like this.
>>721744015How would you explain sin respawning faster and faster? Remember that is canonical and stated in-game.
>>721744541>People change? The ass-shaking comes from Lenne's spirit influencing her through the dressphere though.Did typing this line out make you self-aware enough to understand why some people, such as myself, would call FFX writing just nonsensical bullshit? Just look at what you wrote, you can't blame me for not accepting this ridiculousness.
Would the machine from X2 beat Sin in a 1v1
>>721722758Yes, no plot with time travel makes any fucking sense if you think about it for three seconds.
>>721744942>I am unable to suspend my disbelief and entertain fictional conceptsThe fact that Square now caters to people like you and doesn't write stories like they used to is the exact reason why they are shit now.
>>721744839One day you'll grow up and realize these esoteric "then he woke up and realized it was all a dream" stories are pseudo-creative, pseudo-intelligent bullshit. Then you'll cease with your arrogance.
>>721744932I always thought that was because the Fayth were tired of dreaming and basically begging to die, Sin wants to be killed for good so it keeps coming back in the hopes that someone will finally end it (without being conscious of any of this).
>>721744015True, but then the "5 Named High Summoners" over the span of "1000 years" would need to be equally strong. If they were all equally strong, then the Calms would last equally long. They'd last 200 years."Defeating Sin" would mean "200 Years of Calm."THAT, hoever, is PROVEN to not be true.There's been Calms that last longer, there's been Calms that last only a decade. There's nothing equal... and no wild variance, either. They've only been getting shorter.The claim can still be "fictionally random, lol" but then there's no justifying or reasoning it.
>>721745104FF1-FF9 were written for me, FF10-FF16 (and FF8) were written for you. FFX was the last FF I played and for a good reason.
>>721745115>then he woke up and realized it was all a dreamThat's not what the story is at all and the fact that you have to reduce it to that in your mind just proves you're too low IQ to understand a JRPG aimed at Japanese teenage girls.
>>721745253>>721744932>>721743436RIP the theory. I did some digging/refreshing and all calm periods last around a year. the question then becomes why is spira so bad at producing summoners?
>>721741132I unironically thought she was naked with some straps for a while when I first played through this part.
>>721745235That's a reasonable thought, I can see that and agree with it, too.
>>721745317VII is far more convoluted than X so I don't know why you'd include it. Even IX has some of this melodrama shit going on with the Black Mages and Zidane being a clone.
>>721745378So Tidus was a real human being, the star player of Zanarkand Apes all along?
Yuna is the only High Summoner who remained living. Must be freaky for Spirans.
>>721722758>Tidus gets sent 1000 years in the futuredidn't happen, his Zanarkand is an illusion, a dream being dreamed, just like the summons>Zanarkand is destroyed in this erayes it was>Auron flashbacks show he was with Yuna and Tidus' dadyes>he also somehow lived in Zanarkand 1000 years ago but olderit isn't 1000 years ago, it is present time, unironically, as stupid as that may seem
>>721744696>Tidus & Jecht both DID live as humans beforei honestly thought that the fayth people in gagazet were the actual citizens, and they summoned a aeon version of themselves to be immortalso i thought that "real" tidus and jecht were inside the fayth pillar with the original actual zanarkand people
I'm not able to read most of this thread because I'm in the middle of my first playthrough.I just got to an Al Bhed city in the desert, haven't gone in yet. How much longer do I have before the story stops being coy about the twists that are coming?Or, how far is the point where the game opens up and stops being hallways?
>>721745634I don't know that much of the lore but I'd assume Tidus was probably a real guy in Old Zanarkand, but the Tidus in the game is a dream version of him based on hazy memories of the real guy to the point where they're basically different people. Either that or he's entirely dreamed up and is some vague mainfestation of Old Zanarkand's idea of a young star athelete.
>>721722758No, you are wrongAlso super deep throat was based on a FFX2 porn game.
>>721726910The Grand Wizard
>>721745848>I just got to an Al Bhed city in the desert, haven't gone in yet. How much longer do I have before the story stops being coy about the twists that are coming?approximately 10 minutes>>721745848>Or, how far is the point where the game opens up and stops being hallways?never, but you'll be able to go to different hallways as you please in approximately 20 minutes.
>>721745817I don't think it's ever explained if the dream Zanarkand inhabitants are dream versions of the real inhabitants. I always assumed it was a mix of dream versions of real people and entirely dreamt up people.
>>721745848The entire game is Tidus being the most dislikable brat protagonist in the entire history of gaming until the very end when the game tries to pull a nonsensical twist and appear deeper than it really is.You won't get rid of hallways.
>>721746020lmao, I had a vague feeling but good to know.
>>721745905Ah yes, dreams, how convenient. It was a dream all along.
>>721745317Zidane has a TAIL!?!? That's so logical, it's written for me, a man.
>>721746161The cliche that you're alluding to is not relevant to this game and you don't even know why it's bad for dreams to be part of a plot, you're just parroting what you were told.
>>721746161>>721745905idk why anyone uses the terminology "dream."dreams can't kill fiends, dreams can't win blitzball tournaments, dreams can't go balls deep in yuna, dreams can't destroy cities. Aeons are not "dreams" they are physical beings.
>>721722758There are STILL people who believe there was time travel in FFX, but I'm gonna assume this is bait.>>721724618It's in the game. The giant fayth at Mount Gagazet is what is summoning it. When you defeat Sin, their dream ends. That's why Tidus disappears. He's a summon from a summoned city, just like Valefor or Bahamut.When Yevon created Sin, he also recreated Zanarkand, his home city, as a summon to preserve it. Kind of like how Brainiac bottled the city of Kandor, except Zanarkand isn't the actual city.
>>721745634He's as real as if you formed "Adolf Hitler" from your memories in a Holodeck. He'll look, and act, just like you remember. He's based on a real person, at least.
>>721746091>The entire game is Tidus being the most dislikable brat protagonist in the entire history of gamingYou mean acting the way a star athelete who can have any girl he wants and has been sheltered his entire life would act? I thought you appreciated logic in your fiction?
>>721746317What does an imbecile of your caliber do for a living? Just a dumb kid.
>>721746584>every dream in any fiction is bad because "but it was all just a dream" is a thing that happens in some stories, therefore it happens in every storyYou're retarded
>>721746572>doesn't even know the protagonist's base personalityYes, you definitely are the dumbest faggot in this thread right now. Stop talking about games you don't know shit about.
>>721746719Answer the question because there is no chance you'd have any kind of respectable degree. You are just a fucking loser, shut the fuck up, thanks. Everything you write is a lie or you are just trolling, real hard.
>>721723505I hate to say it but it’s true, it’s only good in quick reviews on youtube.>me>buy the game when it comes out>very excited, chasing the high of 6&7>play the game>weeks on end, 100% the game, get all the stuff, hyped up for the ending>talk about it with all my friends, biggest game on the planet at the time>beat it>put it away and never pick it up again>completely forget everything about itAnyone else experience this?
>>721746862>me have piece of paper from (authority figure), therefore me smart>me no able to understand video game for teenage girls, but piece of paper say me smart, therefore video game stupid!You're retarded.
>>721746091What's so dislikable about Tidus? The way he is written is pretty believable for me. One of the best FF protagonists I would say.
>>721746862Not him but everything in the game did actually happen, the events that transpire are real, it's just that Tidus is a conjured being. Everything he does still actually happens.
>>721738819Because spira does not need to be a world of death and the dead
>>721745817>i honestly thought that the fayth people in gagazet were the actual citizens, and they summoned a aeon version of themselves to be immortalAnd that's fine, you are meant to think and believe that. Fictional distractions for the reader, meant to take your attention away from the not-yet-logical plot, is called a "red herring" in English. Until you discover the plot-twists and the lies, later in the story, it is literally meant to be confusing. You're being shown the story, and you can choose to act as a detective for deeper lore.As for the actual "real people v dreams" of who Tidus and Jecht are, they're only "dream-made-real." It's not self-actualization, and more a museum or library of their memories and stories made-real. But, after 1000 years, they're tired of winning.>so i thought that "real" tidus and jecht were inside the fayth pillar with the original actual zanarkand peopleAnd that's fine to believe until the very end of the game, when that Fayth of "actual Zanarkand" people finally get to sleep and Tidus is visibly shown to disappear. He didn't want to, but he accepted that he had to.Which is ironic; he did it for Yuna. Yuna spent her life accepting what sacrifice as a Summoner meant and had come to terms with it, but Tidus was clueless. As they traveled together and fell in love, she stopped accepting the thought of dying and Tidus became more protective for her survival and willing to sacrifice himself in-her-stead.
>>721723505FFVII is one of the worst and forgettable FFs ever, it's only well regarded because it was the first PS1 FF and nostalgiafag cancerBut unironically
I only have one question left, what about Seymour? At least a half of the game is playing cat and mouse with him but the moment you find out Tidus is an Aeon, Seymour loses all his relevance and his final fight just fucking happens without any major relevance
>>721747032It's not my fault you're a fucking dropout imbecile and I'm sick of retards like you voicing their dumbass opinions. "People" like you shouldn't have a right to vote. Shut the fuck up and pick a fucking book. You can't even tell the relevant from the irrelevant.
>>721746931>enjoy game>beat it>talk about it>don't talk about it or play it anymore>COMPLETELY FORGET EVERYTHING ABOUT ITconsider yourself lucky as you can play it again and experience a good game, not everything has to be flavor of the month.
>>721745848When you reach the snowy mountain, Mt. Gagazet. Where all the blue furry lions live.The majority of the plot twists will be revealed after visiting that shrine.But, don't worry; more lore plot twists will continue to be revealed/further explained as you meet Yunalesca to summon the Final Aeon to kill Sin.Your uncomfortable, uneasey feel regarding this plot that "doesn't quite solve its own puzzles" is COMPLETELY INTENTIONAL. You're just like Tidus; you don't understand Spira... but you want to find out. And you will. What doesn't make sense yet, will.
>>721747442having him appear for no reason inside Sin to fight a FOURTH time was a bit of a piss take
>>721747462Considering you are unable to understand the story in what is quite literally the equivalent of young adult romantic fantasy for teenage girls, you telling me to pick up a book is fucking hilarious. Whatever your degree is in, you sure as hell don't even have a high school level of reading comprehension.
>>721747556Best boss track in the game though for that
>>721747442Seymour is just a kid with bad upbringing who wants to kill everyone in Spira so everyone can live as a unset and yeah he becomes pretty irrelevant.
>>721747502That's just bad writing though
>>721746161I bet if a Q arrived and you told him he was wrong he'd just laugh at you and call you so stupid, think you were "alive" all along.
>>721747705In your opinion
>>721746161>>721746349I literally made a post about this. >>721735265Dream is used by the game as a double-entendre to refer to how the Fayth are locked in an eternal stasis prison while being channelled by summoners to manifest their Aeon in the real world, which is an idealized version of whatever the Fayth was created to be a conduit for, which can include physical living breathing humans, animals, magic dragons and cheapskate ronin. The point of Dream Zanarkand is that it's the "perfect" Zanarkand, as they all wanted to remember it, to make it live on eternally (as long as Yu Yevon can keep summoning it).
>>721747484If it’s that forgettable, how good can it be?
>>721746349It's the phrasing the game itself uses. The idea is that Tidus et al are manifestations of the subconscious of the fayth.
>>721747616>adult romantic fantasy for teenage girls>adult fantasy>for teenage girlsHoly shit, you really are the dumbest faggot I've ever met. And then you have the balls to pretend you are above the education system when you contradict yourself, constantly, nothing you say makes any sense. You are a physical manifestation of bullshit.It's impossible to discuss with someone as stupid as you because you can't even comprehend the basic law of non-contradiction. I can't teach you these things; this is common sense. Fuck you, worthless retard.
>>721747442Seymour is a foil to tidus and yuna- another kid living in his successful parent's shadow, another path to solving Spira's problems, another means of breaking the cycle. But he's also opposed to people living their lives or having meaning without Sin, and would be just another dead man making the rules everyone has to play by if he became Sin
>>721738503Honestly, the most interesting unexplained thing is the mechanics of the Farplane itself. I know that when you visit your dead there, it's just pyreflies recreating them, but how does a realm so expansive exist within Guadosalam? It's never explained beyond that. It almost looks like a pocket dimension. Are there any other beings inside? Do people reincarnate or is their an afterlife?We know that people in Dream Zanarkand reincarnate or take the form of memories (FFX2), but that's probably because the same pyreflies are reused over and over to summon the dream, but what about natural death?Would be a very interesting setting for a spin-off or sequel, and I bet it gets real trippy in there.
>>721747442Seymour is like the bad end of the game's themes about being able to move on and accepting death. He says it himself, Spira is locked in a spiral of death with Sin and the Unsent and Fiends, but his solution is to say fuck it why not just let everything die instead of put up with the constant suffering that is life and moving on from death, and to do that he wants to become Sin himself. He drank the kool-aid Yunalesca had been concocting about how everything is supposedly hopeless but went several steps further in the wrong direction.
>>721748357You somehow missed the word "young". Thanks for further proving your lack of reading comprehension.
>>721747105Yes, but we are still talking about the same "what we just represented to you was a lie, gotcha" bullshit. Whether this happens through a dream or some other storytelling tool is not important.
>>721748487Ok, I agree with that, but what about his father and mom? He killed his own father for whatever reason and somehow his mom became that chained Aeon? How does that works?
>>721748567Newsflash, fucking moron: young adults are not teenagers either! Once again, like every time you open your drooling mouth, you are pretending to be reasonable while not following any kind of logic and reason. Fucking flaming faggot, democracy is flawed because of people like you. Just 100% waste of air and space.
>>721748882You're retarded.
>>721748376Also, Seymour was hated by his people and loved by his mother, Tidus was loved by his people and ignored (worse) by his mother.
>>721747442A Guado politician married a human for political sake. Their son was Seymour; a half-breed child that other Guado bullied and other human-children feared. Only his mother showed love to him. She loved him so much... she turned herself into a Fayth to create an Aeon he can use for defense (it's called "Anima"). It ruined his psychology and social life and he hated everyone for his circumstances. He learned more and more about the Yevon religion, discovered the truth behind Yu Yevon and Sin, and became obsessed at the idea of becoming the next Sin, himself.>do everything he can to support that High Summoner to create that strong bond>become the Final Aeon for the next High Summoner>Oh look! Yuna! She's already on board with this! I'll get her to marry me!!!>Then I become the Final Aeon, become Sin, reincarnate my mother, never die... God I AM SO SMART!Eventually, he discoveres he's not going to win that marriage, so he attacks you (Tidus) out of spite.You kill him.His enormous ego prevents him from accepting death, and becomes an "Unsent" being.He becomes deleriously obssessed with replacing Sin, now caring only about his own strength and his own mother. He's going to kill everyone, make everyone unsent. Fuck what other people want. This is the best decision. No one who's weak will be anything but a fiend or fuel for himself.As for his appearance at Sin, it's because he, too, wants to kill Sin by that point and figures>well, if Tidus does it, then I don't get to be Sin>plus, I hate him anywaySo they fight and Tidus (and the party) are proving strong enough that maybe this crazy plot of "destroying Sin" for what's knows as an "Eternal Calm" might just work!!!
>>721722946Auron is also from Dream Zanarkand, right?
>>721749075You are correct, I am. I use big words from ChatGPT on 4chan to make myself feel better.
>>721722758>>721722946uh if Dream Zanarkand is a real place in Spira and Sin was protecting it, why did Sin(Jecht) attack/destroy this Dream Zanarkand he was supposedly protecting at the beginning of the game
>>721722946But at the start of the game, Sin attacks Dream Zanarkand, despite existing specifically to protect it?
>>721747705If you read the final page of a Sherlock Holmes novel, you kinda ruin the story.Reading the book and exploring the details is the fun part. Hopefully the author uses words you enjoy and characters that represent those thoughts well.
>>721749369But you didn't use any, though
>>721749115>Tidus momIsn't she part of the Aeon? How she will ignore him worse? Jecht at least was concious of what was going on so he even asked Tidus to kill him, but his mom?
>>721724572Retard tier advice.90% of all CRTs suck ass. Consumer grade shit is always ass.
>>721748778Seymour's a half-guado, which lead to him and his family being mistrusted and treated as outcasts. In an act of desperation his mother thought "everyone hates us but if Seymour could become a summoner and try to kill Sin then he'd be accepted", and to do that he needed a strong Final Aeon, hence she got herself turned into the Fayth of Anima. Seymour didn't want to go through with it though, since reminder this was several years before the game started when he was a kid so he couldn't handle losing her. Then eventually when he grew up he was able to go back to join Yevon with his dad and all that mental baggage.
>>721749567She ignored him while he grew up and died shortly after Jecht disappeared. I said worse because being ignored by a parent is worse than being mistreated by one.
>>721749075You think 12 years olds are young adults? Really? You really use this kind of retarded terminology in whatever shithole you live in? Must be some mutt term.The rest of humanity knows what "adulthood" means and that's full growth. You really are a person who doesn't process any information critically. You'll never convince me 12 year olds are young adults and your terminology is retarded.
>>721749627If you want it to look like a CRT you should get a CRT. If you don't want to take it upon yourself to find a half decent tube then you're shit out of luck. Shaders won't ever give you the same presentation as a CRT. Not even on a 4K OLED with HDR. I know because I've tried.
It's heavily implied that Dream Zanarkand has some sort of a physical manifestation instead of just being an "illusion" or a literal dream, but I don't think it's ever pointed out where its literal geographical location in Spira is.I think fans have speculated for years about it, unless its location was revealed in an Ultimania guide or some sort of supplementary material released by Square.
>>721749376Because Jecht could kind of control Sin. It's why Auron held out the booze in the beginning cutscene, to lure Sin, knowing that Jecht loved to drink.He couldn't control it perfectly, though. It's shown multiple times in the game. That's why Sin attacks Bevelle during the Blitzball game, because he wanted to see Tidus play. Or when they lure Sin with the Hymn of the Fayth, because Jecht likes the song.
>>721749226No, Auron is a native Spiran. He just goes over to Dream Zanarkand to watch over Tidus as he grows up.>>721749376Jecht trying to fight against the programming to pick up Tidus and going haywire as a result. Sin normally doesn't actually go anywhere near Dream Zanarkand and its usual mindset is to destroy anything in its path.
>>721749226No, auron is a regular spira dude, well, a dead spira dude>>721749376>>721749389Jecht has some lingering will that kinda sorta works sometimes
>>721749736You seems to have lost track of the conversation. I asserted that if Final Fantasy X were a book, it would be young adult fiction. This is a term commonly used to refer to a teenage demographic. If you walk into any book store and go to the young adults sectino, you will find works with an equivalent writing level to Final Fantasy X. This is because they are written for roughly the same demographic. You disagreeing with that terminology being applied to that demographic is just semantics and doesn't change the root of the argument, which is that you are incapable of understanding fiction intended for teenagers. Furthermore, it has strong romance elements which are appealing to a female audience, meaning you are incapable of understanding fiction that is arguably designed for teenage girls. Hope this helps!
>>721739923Why be alive when you choose to spend your time doing nothing but waste others' time? Fuck off.
>>721749725>grew upWait a second, Isn't Tidus (and Jecht and Dream Zanarkand) an Aeon created based on the tired and fussy memories of the Fayth in Mt. Gagazeth? For how long they have been dreaming in that Tidus actually grew up, his mom died like a regular person and also became a famous player for his team?
>>721749793>If you want it to look like a CRT you should get a CRT.When people say "look like a CRT", they mean high grade CRTs or PVMs, not actual CRTs.CRT presentation is a dim, hard to see, flickery image, because consumer CRTs sucked ass.
Did Zoomers just collectively go retarded? Was it the covid year delaying your development? The over saturation ofbinternet culture? 6 hour youtube overview?Turn off your phone and play the fucking game.
>>721749960>>721750005>>721750041okay thats makes sense. one more thing, why does Sin protect Dream Zanarkand?
>>7217501931000 years, since the destruction of the original Zanarkand, as explicitly stated in the game.That's why they're tired of it.
>>721750193A thousand years
>>721750378That's the point of his existence. Repel the Belvelle invaders and their evil machina to save zanarkand. (Zanarkand lost the war and this giga summoning was their last resort)
>>721750378Lemme just copy paste wiki for you:One thousand years ago Yu Yevon was the leader of Zanarkand and a powerful summoner. Zanarkand was at war with Bevelle, a strong military power that used mechanical technology to build weapons. Unwilling to let Zanarkand be destroyed, Yu Yevon had the surviving citizens turn themselves into fayth and used them to summon an idealized version of Zanarkand at the peak of its power. Yu Yevon gathered a horde of pyreflies and transformed them into an armor for himself, which became the creature, Sin.Yu Yevon gave the creature a set of simple instructions: destroy any machina or large settlement to stall technological evolution, and retaliate to all hostility with extreme prejudice. Sin's first act was to destroy the real Zanarkand, and as the armies of Bevelle saw the destruction they retreated, bringing the first news of the great monster. Eventually, a religion was created around Yu Yevon's name, his worshipers not realizing they were praying to the one responsible for Spira's cycle of destruction.According to the fayth used to summon Dream Zanarkand, Yu Yevon is neither good nor evil. His existence only has one purpose: to maintain Dream Zanarkand while protected by his armor, which is why he is drawn to the Final Aeon when his former armor, Sin, has been destroyed.Shortly before creating Sin, Yu Yevon informed Yunalesca of his plan and gave her a means of calming the creature. Every time a summoner destroys Sin, the aeon used for the Final Summoning is possessed by Yu Yevon and used to rebuild Sin. The period of time Yu Yevon is rebuilding his armor is known as the Calm.One thousand years later after Sin has been reborn many times over, Yuna and her guardians pierce its armor and defeat Yu Yevon. This banishes Sin and allows the fayth to cease dreaming.
>>721750145You can't be conversed with, because you are simply too stupid. In every single post of yours there's a massive problem you just pretend doesn't exist. Like in the last one.I just find it mindboggling that once, you stumbled across the term "young adult literature" and made a conscious decision to start using it even when anyone with basic critical thinking skills would have recognized it's an oxymoron; why on earth would you call children adults? Psychology and biology provide very solid grounds for what we and what we should not consider adults. And any reasonable person would choose science over some retarded category some writer somewhere made-up. Yet, you don't reason like this. To anyone else it should be fucking obvious that 12 year olds shouldn't be called adults. You lack common sense so hard I'm just not going to bother anymore. All of your posts are just more and more bullshit piled on top of each other and I'm getting tired of that. Have a nice day.
>>721750378Because that's what Yevon made it to do. During the war with Bevelle, Yevon sacrificed all of Zanarkand, turning them into a giant Fayth and summoned Dream Zanarkand.During this time he also created Sin, and attacked Bevelle with it. Yunalesca, his daughter, devised a plan to mitigate this in the form of the pilgrimage and final aeon. Every time a new final aeon defeats sin, Yu Yevon (Yevon's disembodied spirit) possesses the final aeon, transforming it into a new Sin over time. This evolved into the church of Yevon in the occupied Bevelle.
>>721742318Cheers, m8. As a David Lynch fan, I will add that nonsense doesnt necessarily ruin a narrative. There is a certain jazz like quality to stories that are written with that fever dream quality, whether its due to production troubles or just eccentricity on the author's part. Just look at the discussion in this thread - I think its neat that such a convoluted story can instigate this much discourse. It takes skill to craft something as interperative as that.
>>721722758Your CRT looks like it has a trash tier dot pitch tube and are you even using composhit cables or why is there so much dot crawl?
>>721750193They've been dreaming since the original Zanarkand was destroyed. So about 1000 years. And yes, that does mean that Tidus is probably the child of Aeons. It's a mini-summoned civilization cut off from the rest of the world.>>721750378Play the game, it's pretty good.I'm sure it's already answered in the thread but to summarize, Bevelle and Zanarkand went to war, Bevelle was winning because they had guns and robots against Zanarkand's summoners. Yu Yevon the ultimate summoner and most charismatic man ever convinced everyone that as a last ditch effort to preserve their city and people they need to become a massive Fayth so he can summon Dream Zanarkand. He's also the one that summons Sin as a form of protection both for him and Dream Zanarkand, but the strain of it makes him lose his mind and rationality. Sin gets summoned, devastates the Bevelle military and Bevelle starts thinking they're the baddies as it continues to target any technology with the potential of harming Dream Zanarkand.
You guys think this stuff is wild wait until you get to the schizoid sequel novel(Which is canon)
>>721750509>>721750532Tidus is 1000 years old? Dream Zanarkand being 1000 years old sounds right, but Tidus and Jecht? Or ar you telling me that this dreaming/summoning is so big and complex that allows Aeons to have regular lives where they grew up, marriage, pay taxes, play Blitzball and reproduce?
>>721750765It's obvious you don't read if you're just discovering the term "young adult" as it pertains to books and getting this assmad about it. If I were you I'd be calling back whatever sham of a university granted your degree and demanding a refund.
The game literally explains everything to you, what is wrong with zoomershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ld7VT9-PKP0
>>721750630>>721750783Oops, I'm sorry. I was wrong. Sin attacked Zanarkand, not Bevelle. My memory isn't perfect. It was made during war with Bevelle, though.
>>721750846i did play it, it's just been 20 years since i last played it
>>721747442He's a negative reflection of the main characters and their journey. He followed the pilgrimage and ultimately rejected Yunalesca just like Yuna did, yet his arc and final plan are basically the opposite of hers. His presence in the story does present some poignant juxtaposition that justifies his existence, but I will agree that his final appearance is a bit tacked on. I suspect they didn't want him at all getting in the way of the emotional climax with Jecht, which was probably the right call.
>>721750975If you say so, it seems at least that a lot of people in the thread might not have played the game judging by some of the questions, but even then it's as good an excuse as any to play it again.
>>721750209Have you only ever used an Emerson or Sylvania? Here's a picture of a consumer Toshiba I got for free. Thinking you need a PVM is cope from zoomers.
>>721750903the people of dream zanarkand are amalgamations of people that existed from some fayth's memory, they are functionally new people, tidus is as old as he isthis is why the villain of x-2 looks like tidus btw, he clearly was modeled after that guy
>>721750903No, dumbass. Generations passed for a thousand years, but the culture of Zanarkand was probably in statis. We don't really know the history of Dream Zanarkand for that 1000 years, other than they loved Blitzball.
How is everyone ITT so retarded?
>>721750786You, Sir, are hired. The job starts tomorrow.
>>721751276I knew this thread was bait, but I genuinely love FFX's world and story. Just an excuse to discuss it.
>>721722758No one travels in time, doofus.
>>721751435Oh, and I forgot to mention I cut off my balls recently. Just wanted to let you guys know.
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>>721750903Can you accept the backstory of "The Matrix?" Does anyone "have children" in "The Matrix?" How do humans breed???
>>721751135Then that means every person, thing and its lifespan in Dream Zanarkand followed the blueprint of the fussy and tired memories of the Fayth. And if Tidus is a dream version of Suyin it means we can't have an old Tidus because the Fayth doesn't have an old Suyin. That means that after Tidus and some kids in Dream Zanarkand, the Fayth can't dream new people because their memories are exhausted, that's why Jecht mocks Tidus that he can't get a girl and a family? And also the urgence to finally kill Yu Yevon
>>721751276Because pic related
>>721751135How can something exist "through" a memory? Memory is a memory. What the hell are you talking about?
>>721751754That's all conjecture. Think of it this way. The Fayth in Gagazet is a big AI image generator. It takes the memories of the original inhabitants and uses them as a reference for the new people they generate that can still age, reproduce, and die within the dream world. Does that help?
>>721750765It's a fairly common term. Partially it's a marketing thing. You know, make the 12 year olds feel more mature. They eat that shit up.
>>721751792In the world and setting of the game, a person turned into a Fayth uses their thoughts, memories and ideals and channels it into a specific being, and a summoner can then call upon that Fayth to physically manifest that being.
>>721751792When we're talking about entities that can manifest their subconscious into physical reality, certain things become a bit more literal.
>>721751952I like my version a little more because it makes the Fayth running out of memories material, so they're not just tired they also want the Sin cycle to stop because Dream Zanarkand became unsustanaible. But yeah, the IA machine interpretation works too.
>>721750951>Sin, the one that Spira "The Spiral" revolves>Will you and your father let us rest?>We're tired.
>>721751120I feel like if you want a good sharp picture but small size then you have no option but to go for monitor grade.Do any high end consumer say 14" CRT TVs even exist? If they do what's the dot pitch on the tube? Probably something coarse for such a small size (but lower end monitors like in OP's picture did that too, they used TV grade tubes)What about 20"?Of course bigger is better but a 28" or 32" CRT weighs a ton and takes a lot of space so it's not always a good option.Don't pay OLED money for used pro video monitors though kids.
>>721751792Yeah! You're from Arkansas and this makes NO SENSE! That's right!
>>721752279Assuming Sin never destroyed it, Dream Zanarkand could have existed forever. We don't know if it got resummoned after Tidus left, either. It's never said.The Fayth were explicitly stated to be tired, though. The dream had to end. So, maybe it was unsustainable? Like I said in an earlier post, generations passed in the dream world, but we don't know anything about the history of Dream Zanarkand during that 1000 years. Did the culture never change? Did they just play Blitzball the entire time? We don't know because it wasn't important to the narrative, just like we don't know if Dream Zanarkand would have collapsed in on itself because the Fayth couldn't continue to summon it.Interesting ideas, though.
>>721752158Memory is a faculty of the nervous system though, it doesn't create things outside the brain. I call out bullshit.
>>721752307The Toshiba 14" AF series sets are very good as long as you're alright with flat screens, and they make a 20" set which I'd recommend even more. They look real nice despite having Orion tubes.A lot of stuff from around 2000-2004 started having component, and as long as you've heard of the brand it'll likely look great. I will say for a long time I undervalued the size of a CRT, but after setting up a 36" it's gonna be hard to go back to smaller sets. You also get more noticeable scanlines with a larger set if that's something you care about.
>>721752812This is just getting sad at this point, Anon. I'm sorry you had to find out in a fucking Final Fantasy X thread of all places that you have a low IQ, but I hope one day you are able to actually understand fiction.
>>721752812Bro, we're talking about a game where dead people don't go to the afterlife cause they're mad. Auron is a literal ghost who doesn't have a nervous system, yet he remembers his life. Why are you arguing science in a thread about a Final FANTASY game?
>>721752965Sounds retarded though, that's not what memory is or how it works. Just make a new term if you want to have these strange fantasy things.
>>721752631I played FFX years ago. My main issue with the game was that all relevant lore and plot was told at the very end so at the time i was really tired and i just wanted to finish the game, so I didn't understood the whole plot. FFX threads are usually cozy and this the first time i catch one where i'm actually able to ask all the questions i had with the game so is pretty great to be here. Anyway, thanks anon, browsing /v/ wasn't a waste of time like it usually is.
>>721724357Yeah we figured it was your daily crt shader thread.You will never gaslight us into thinking that looks like CRT. I'm sure every anon has seen a crt monitor before.
These "I don't know what's going on" shoopfu's ITT must be suffering from Sin's toxin!
>>721753473We get it, school wasn't your strong suit.
>>721753141You the one who sounds retarded, anon. Why should a fantasy writer create an entirely new vocabulary for things that exist just because they work differently in their fantasy world? I'm not arguing semantics with you.>>721753273I was like 12 when I first played it, and I missed a lot of stuff the first go around, too. I've replayed it multiple times, and it's in my top 3 FF games now. Definitely has the most well thought out setting in the franchise, imo, and there's not really many plot holes, if any. You should replay it, and you'll learn a lot of other stuff not mentioned in this thread.
>>721753141How does 夢 or 記憶 sound, then? Does that sound better? I created that term for you.
>>721753572No, because you didn't create a new term, you just replaced the word. The content is what matters. People shouldn't call tables chairs when they are two different things.
Jecht Sphere: Luca[Recording: Dock of the S.S. Winno. Auron’s PoV]>Jecht: Hey, Auron! Did you get that last match?>Auron: Yeah. But I don’t understand why you wanted me to. Didn’t you say you have blitzball in your Zanarkand?>Jecht: Not a sportsman, are ya?>Braska: Working on your form?>Jecht: My form don’t need no work. I’m the great Jecht. It’s for my kid.>Braska: Your son plays blitzball?>Jecht: Yeah, and he wants to beat his old man bad. Once, I told him to give it up. He didn’t speak to me for a week. Wonder what he’s doing now. I hope he got bigger and put on some muscle.>Jecht: Hey, what’s the big idea! Stop shooting!
>trying to understand the plot of a Final Fantasy game
>>721753951Why did you replace "memory" with "chairs?" You're not making any sense!!Anyway, I hope you get the point, because I'm bored speaking to this bait/idiocy after just two posts. Bye bye~
>>721740185>who they keep feeding in a continuous cycle of pilgrimagesSummoners and Pilgrimages only exist to give people hope. They're a hindrance to Sin.
>>721753559>How can an immaterial being be asleep? Why would it need to sleep to begin with, when resting relates to recovering physical functions?>uhhh i dunno *drools* stop asking these difficult questions and just pretend your an idiot and youll get it uhhh
>>721754391>I don't know what suspension of disbelief is! I only consume non-fiction because I am so smart!
>>721754307Actually, in logic you can replace "p" with all kinds of things without changing the logical validity of the argument. You'd know this, if you had ever went to school and weren't a dumb cow. Now keep replying to me desperately and yearning for my attention.
>>721753951What if I sit on a table or eat off a chair?
>>721755120I like you and I like your question.
>>721753951I used a ladder to reach that bowl on the top shelf?>Didn't you mean "stepstool?"No? Why would I store a stepstool on the top shelf?
>>721722758FFX sucks. It doesn't even remotely resemble the Final Fantasy Series. It might as well have been called something else entirely.None of the post FF7 games are worth playing.
>>721757301That's because Sakaguchi was essentially gone after FF9. FF10 is when FF lost its magic and the terrible zoomer era began.
>>721722758bro played the game blindfolded with noise cancelling headphones, what a retard
>>721748060It's only forgettable because you're a giant faggot
>>721757301You got that wrong, none of the post FF6 games are worth playing.
>>721757301>>721757435>>721759232FF6-10 was the golden age.
>>721736682>What the fuck is an "unsent?" That term definitely wasn't in the game.Direct from the script: >>721736983>Ronso woman (blue hair, yellow tunic): Many Ronso have fallen to hands of the unsent Seymour. It is fate of Ronso to die in battle. But…so few are left.>Eigaar: The lord Mika, an unsent? But I saw him in Luca.>Quay of Kilika[Tidus finds crowd on lefthand path, approaches Lulu.]Tidus: Uh, what’s a “sending”? Are we going somewhere?Lulu: (huff!) You truly are clueless. Are you sure it’s just your memory that’s the problem?Lulu: The dead need guidance. Filled with grief over their own death, they refuse to face their fate. They yearn to live on, and resent those still alive. You see, they envy the living. And in time, that envy turns to anger, even hate. Should these souls remain in Spira, they become fiends that prey on the living. Sad, isn’t it?Lulu: The sending takes them to the Farplane, where they may rest in peace.Tidus: Summoners do this?Lulu: Mm. (Nods)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PrYsAKMkXjU
>>721736682>What the fuck is an "unsent?" That term definitely wasn't in the game.>>721761374Lulu: The city of Bevelle is built on the water. There may be underwater fighting. You or Rikku should study your magic, just in case. ¬Seymour is one of the dead now. Odd. Why does Maester Mika allow the unsent to walk free?Kelk: Then, consider: You have inflicted dire injury upon Maester Seymour Guado…conspired with the Al Bhed and joined in their insurrection. These are traitorous and unforgivable crimes that disturb the order of Yevon. Tell this court what possessed you to participate in such violence.Yuna: Your Grace… The real traitor is Maester Seymour! He killed his father Jyscal with his own hands!Kelk: What is this!Seymour: (Nonchalant) Hmm? Hadn’t you heard?Yuna: Not only that… Maester Seymour is already dead!Lulu: It is a summoner’s sacred duty to send the souls of the departed to the Farplane! Yuna was only doing her job as a summoner!Yuna: Grand Maester Mika… Please, send Seymour now!Mika: Send the unsent to where they belong?Yuna: Yes!Mika: (Ominous chuckle)Yuna: Maester?Mika: Send the dead…hmm? (Pyreflies emerge from him) You would have to send me, too.Wakka: What!Kelk: Grand Maester Mika is a wise leader. Even in death, he is invaluable to Spira.Kinoc: Enlightened rule by the dead is preferable to the misguided failures of the living.Seymour: Life is but a passing dream, but the death that follows is eternal.Auron: Summoners challenge the bringer of death, Sin, and die doing so. Guardians give their lives to protect their summoner. The fayth are the souls of the dead. Even the maesters of Yevon are unsent. Spira is full of death. Only Sin is reborn, and then only to bring more death. It is a cycle of death, spiraling endlessly.
>>721736682>Where are you pulling all this information? What the fuck is an "unsent?" That term definitely wasn't in the game.>If your source is some fanfic Final Fantasy marketing magazine I'm going to ignore you.>>721761374>>721762293Northern Rim of Calm Lands>Svanda: This gorge is called the Scar. They say that when the high summoner cornered Sin, Sin tore the earth here asunder with the last of its strength. The high summoner and Sin struck each other down at the gorge’s bottom. Lord Gandof’s sacrifice brought us the Calm.> ¬In the Calm Lands, we bury our dead in this gorge. We cannot send them because few summoners ever make it this far.> ¬I’ve heard that the dead that don’t receive a proper sending roam the bottom of the gorge as fiends.Wakka: Peh! Another Guado fiend?Kimahri: No. An unsent.[The figure of a woman coalesces out of pyreflies]Lulu: It is…It’s you, is it not, Lady Ginnem? Forgive me. I was too young.[Auron glances at Yuna, who steps forward to perform the sending. Lady Ginnem snaps her arm and disrupts ritual with some kind of shock wave.]Lulu: There is no human left in you now, is there?[Ginnem lashes out again.]Lulu: Very well, then. Allow me to perform my last duty to you. My last as your guardian.
>>721736682>I'm going to ignore you.And the game, itself, it seems.>>721761374>>721762293>>721762674Hall of the Final Summoning>[On the way out, Auron and Tidus hang back.]Auron: We must talk.Tidus: What?Auron: There is something you should know.Tidus: I know…it’s about you, right?Auron: I am also an unsent. You are not surprised?Tidus: I think I kinda knew. It was Yunalesca, wasn’t it?Auron: When Braska and Jecht died defeating Sin…I just couldn’t accept it. I came back here…tried to avenge them. But she struck me down. Somehow I made my way, crawling, down Mount Gagazet. But my strength left me just outside Bevelle. That’s where Kimahri found me. I told him about Yuna…just before I died. I’ve been wandering ever since, never going to the Farplane.Tidus: Auron…Auron: Don’t make that face. Being dead has its advantages. I was able to ride Sin and go to your Zanarkand.Tidus: And you’ve been watching over me since then, haven’t you? Why? What’s the big idea? Why me?Auron: It is one of those things that is difficult to explain. Very well, I will show you. My memories.>(Kneels, dissolves into pyreflies)Jecht: Can I ask you one last favor? Uh… Nah. Never mind.Auron: Out with it!Jecht: Okay. Listen good. Take care of my son. My son, in Zanarkand. He’s such a crybaby. He needs someone there to hold his hand, see? Take care of him, will you?Auron: But how am I supposed to go to Zanarkand?Jecht: Hey! You said it yourself! There must be a way to get there, right? You’ll find it.Auron: All right, I will! I give you my word. I’ll take care of your son. I’ll guard him with my life.Jecht: Thanks, Auron. You were always such a stiff, but that’s what I liked about you.>(Resolidifying)Auron: That is why.People really hate missing out.I've brought you in. I hope you caught on.
>>721722758What´s the point of making a thread just to pretend to be retarded? I don´t get it...
>>721763324Many people "pretend" to be something they aren't, when they know it gives them attention from others. This is especially true of children and women. Of immature people.
>>721722758um, what?
>>721724357Unfortunately it won’t work at 480i, you need to play on real hardware for that one
>>721722758You should probably beat the game first before discussing plotholes
>>721722758Nothing impossible about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FV4MNmtsLpYhttps://auronstory.tumblr.com/post/727377683542048768/this-scene-offered-insight-into-how-auron-might
>>721736682The term "unsent" is directly used in the game. Many times. Main cast, NPCs, even spoken during cutscenes by voice actors. It's written in the script. It's presented directly, it's implied, synonyms are used with it, antonyms are used against it, it's described, it's compared, it's even given a backstory about why this fictional term even exists in the magical summoning world of Spira in FFX.Play the game.>>721722758There's no time-travel.Play the game.
>>721722946I don’t watch cut scenes or read dialogue. I thought Tidus was inside Sin and the game takes place in a fake reality inside Sin for 20 years until seeing a YouTube video last year.
Braska>A fallen summoner, wed to a traitorous Al Bhed women (he loved her), they ignored himAuron>A fallen warrior monk, who refused marriage to a high priest's daughter (it contradicts his celibacy moral), they obscured himJecht>A fallen drunk, a liar claiming to be from Zanarkand with a wife and kid (he left them), they jailed himEnded up becoming the most important people in since 50 years ago, and rightfully so; they defeated Sin and brought a new Calm. Something done only 4 other times in 1000 years of history. The Yevon religion took very careful care to edit their history books to keep only the "good" parts about their lives relevant to tell, none of their traitorous activity. After all, these "traitors" performed a miracle EVERYONE wanted. They're idols.Yuna>The most honored summoner in Spira, daughter to the High Summoner and an important Al Bhed woman, she's a famous half-breed>Her parents are both dead. Her importance and the pressure she feels to the expectations his parents have set is enormous.Seymour>A maester of political value, son to the most important Guado and a human woman, which finally brings those people into the political world of Spira. He's a famous half-breed.>His parents are both dead. His importance and the pressure he feels to live up to the expectations his parents have set is enormous.Tidus>A famous blitzball star, the son of another famous sports star (and some fan he thought was hot), he's a popular athlete.>His parents are both dead (gone). His importance and the pressure he feels to live up to the expectations his parents have set is enormous."Keep what works, for peace""Kill everyone, for peace""Change everything, for peace"What works? Spira is a world that seems to spiral out of control, and the living live in constant despair. To find rest, to find somewhere calm... is heavenly.
>>721722758For me it's Lulu
>>721767250>I don't eat meals or drink apéritifs.>I thought feasts were just stories people lied about, existing in a fake reality inside churches until seeing a YouTube video last year.YouTube is such a powerful leading platform! "If I saw it on YouTube, it MUST be true! I REFUSE to believe it, unless I saw it on YouTube! Or Tik Tok."
>>721768578You got her to ride on your snowmobile, didn't you?
>>721749389Yu Yevon made Jecht (summon form) do that
>>721722758Tidu's Zanarkand is an actual physical place in Spira, it's basically an aeon city with aeon people. Tidus is literally an aeon. Yu Yevon eternally summons it from within sin, that's the whole fucking point of sin.
>>721771514Sin acts as "armor" for Yu Yevon. Protects Yu Yevon, keeps the summoning ongoing.If Sin is defeated (realllllllllllllllly tough to do), whatever defeated it simply steals that tool (so far, only another Aeon) and corrupts it into a new shell, a new armor. Yu Yevon gets to continue to summon. Eternally.Cool! ...at first. But now? 1000 years later? Nah. They're bored, Zanarkand feels tired, feels some shame, and the recent Sin-killers are major rebels who openly hate this whole "Yevon" thing. Seems like a good time to try something else.
>>721722758>olderDid you know the writers, directors, developers of the games Final Fantasy 1, Final Fantasy 2, Final Fantasy 3, Final Fantasy 4, Final Fantasy 5, Final Fantasy 6, Final Fantasy 7, Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy 8, Final Fantasy 9, Final Fantasy 10, Final Fantasy Tactics (do you see where I'm going with this???), did you know they love mythology? All kinds of mythology! It's a great way to make things in their games seem... relatable! More fun!Did you know, regarding Auron... there's quite a bit of similarity to the Norse god "Odin?" How he lost his eye? WHY he lost his eye? What occurred after he lost his eye?The fun thing about reading history, learning about religions, taking the time to discover things in foreign cultures is that you begin to see lots of comparisons, lots of similarities, lots of already established knowledge about what seems alien and how others deciphered it, and use it, and share it. It makes things easier for you. Makes things simpler.
>>721722758I think the writers never figured it out during development, but mentioned it after FFX was done. Like, you see outcroppings of buildings on top of Sin's head, like barnacles. When you enter Sin, you eventually enter a time-frozen Zanarkand. I think Zanarkand was implied to be inside Sin during the game.
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>>721749226Jechtt is from Dream Zanarkand, but the summoner (forgot his name) and Auron are real. However, Auron dies when Medusa (also forgot her name) kills him after he can't accept the truth behind the pilgrimage and Sin.
>>721722758FFX was shite
The distinction between aeons and dreams was a little odd, but in a world where people use magic you have to suspend disbelief a little and be willing to overlook some minor plotholes. I don't think that anything in FFX was confusing enough to take away from a very well paced story.They got the balance right with FFX, other examples are the KH series where the plot holes ARE so distracting that it ruins the experience and later FF games like FF13 which exposition dump so aggressively, trying to justify it's lore that it ruins the pacing and bores you to the point where you just don't care enough.
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>>721752631whoa what mod is this? silly looking sure but i love how it looks
>>721752631The character models are called NinoStyle. There's a chibi version as well. They're based on Tetsuya Nomura's character art
>>721775852Dream zanarkand isnt inside sin
>>721787723Thanks boss
>>721786816>golfingMore like a homerun. Damn Auron is cool.
>>721722758The actual plothole is the farplane>Rikku explains that the images of the dead in the farplane aren't real>This is implied to be correct because the only religion is canonically bullshit and there is zero indication in game that Rikku is wrong>Still, only the dead can be seen in the farplane. Tidus (who is free of the religious bias you could excuse other characters for) succeeds at seeing his dead mother but fails to see Jecht because he is alive>No explanation given
>>721750630These are heretical lies Sin is the price we pay for the use of machina. Only through the final summoning and our repentance can Sin be calmed for good or at least for a time.
>>721722946Genuinely can't tell if your baiting or retarded.Dream Zanarkand is not a location in spira. It's a dream of the faith. Tidus is summoned into Spira in the same manner as Aeons.
>>721790451Dream zanarkand is location at the spira
You know X is the best when people still discuss it 25 years later.
>>721722758>Tidus gets sent 1000 years in the futurewrong. play the game again
>>721790451hate to break it to you, but you are retarded>the fayth 'dreaming' = summon magic>the 'dream' manifests as a physical summon in the world>'dream' zanarkand is a 'summoned' city>all its people are part of the summon>tidus was a unique part of this summon magic with the sole purpose of ending the 'dream'
>>721794510Thanks adding unnecessary information repeating what I'm saying sans dream Zanarkand being in the same material plane as Spira
>>721740689>being able to remember 10 years in the past is autismdear oh dear
>>721725849>tidus was never alivemissed-the-point-of-the-game-award.jpg >>721730861this is literally never stated nor implied
>>721740689I only played alone in the dark (the OG) once 25 years ago and I still remember most of the puzzles. Having good memory and reasoning skills isn't autism. About FFX it was pretty clear at the end of the game that current day zanarkand and the zanarkand tidus comes from are different places, not different times. I was convinced it was time travel up until that point.
>>721744735you are genuinely retarded. if this isn't bait, you should commit, immediately.
The real plothole of FFX is that Jecht, a summoning, can become the Fayth of another summoning.Yuri incest is best incest.
>>721722758Honestly I’m still confused on the game. Cause early on the one lion dude says “hey, you need to stop being a little bitch. You realize what she’s about to go through for us? Maybe try making her laugh instead of being depressed.”And tidus makes a face like he truly understands, and then that laughing scene happens.Then later in the game he’s like “WHAT DO YOU MEAN SHE’S GOING TO SACRIFICE HERSELF?! WHY DIDNT ANYONE TELL ME?!” But like… they did…
>dream ends>diesdamn so you be sayin this some final fantasy or some shit
>>721749226No, Auron and Braska are real people, not Aeons. Braska is dead, dead and Auron is dead but unsent. If they killed sin and Auron forgot his oven was on Tidus would dissappear because he's a dream of the Fayth and Auron would be fine and dandy until he turned that oven off.
>>721790585Dreams are not locations, you imbecile. You had a dream last night, where was it located?
>>721761374No "unsent" in this dialogue.
>>721740124>I never realized FFX was this fucking stupid, I'm going to reduce its score from 9 to 8.I disagree with it being stupid though, there's neat throughlines about escalation of violence, the development of what is essentially the summoning version of a nuke, the abuse of natural resources to do so, the abuse of religion to control information, the way tradition forces people to die for the sake of keeping their dreams alive. It's all at least internally consistent which counts for a lot.
>>721798861>The real plothole of FFX is that Jecht, a summoning, can become the Fayth of another summoning.It's all pyreflies, all the way down.
>>721798914No they didn't. You're confused because you're blatantly wrong and also retarded
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>>721758037N…No u!
