>>721724332why was 2 worse than the first one?
>>721724434PVE devs now just make grindy bullshit and hard as balls difficulty. Helldivers, Space Marine 2, and Darktide PVE games used to be about power fantasies now its grindslop
>>721724519I didn't like how they changed the melee system all you do is hit or hold square instead of having combos, plus the camera is too close
>>721724434It's representative of the times.>Space Marine 1 is just about Marines fighting Orks and Chaos in the grimdark future where everything sucks, but at the very leastall the dudes shouting at each other are funny. Liberties are taken to make things more fun and varied, especially for the two antagonists. The Imoerium is clearly shown as being awful even for Titus himself.>Space Marine 2 is about Titus The Plot Armoured killing literally everything that gets in his way, how he's right about everything, and how everyone who isn't the Imperium is a cardboard cutout made for Marines to smash to a bloody pulp. There is no actual character or fun to it. You are playing an interactive advertisement for Space Marines tabletop models. Every single enemy you fight is a 1:1 recreation of a tabletop model, as is every single Marine. The Imperium are shining noble heroes with only token negative qualities which are broadly ignored, because GW doesn't want their posterboys to look bad.
>>721725081and there's a jeet commissarat least Mira was a qt3.14
>>721724896Really? Thats your issue? of all the 20 different issues? THATS YOUR ISSUE?
>>721725081>The Imoerium is clearly shown as being awful even for Titus himself.KEK you will never be a women tranny get fucked Space Marine 2 shows the imperium as heroes trump won
>>721725081>The Imoerium is clearly shown as being awful even for Titus himself.Had me in the first you really did you dumb sigmarxism tranny, Space Marine 2 is ass becasue its primaris slop but you are clearly a trannyFuck off
>>721725235Pajeeta isn't even significant, she's around for two missions as a background voice. That in itself is also a notable change; Mira appears throughout SM1, whereas no non-Marine appears for more than a single mission in SM2.
>>721724434Weapon and gear progression wasnt a thing.
You guys clearly hate nu 40k so you have to admit GW clearly keeps justifying the imperium to much now to the point its too clean and not grimdark anymore
>>721725235She is not a commissar which would have made more sense.She is just a Cadian guard officer, even though she looks and sounds nothing like the rest of the guard characters in the game so she stands out to much
>>721725395>>721725312Samey faggot is a faggot
>>721725521I know, I'm just saying that at least the woman was cute and not a jeet
>>721725081>THE IMPERIUM IS EVIL!!!!!Yeah nah
>>721725312>>721725395>Wanting the setting all about how awful everything is to have defined Good Guy factions>Wanting to rewrite 90% of the Imperium's history just to turn them into something more 'based'You're just as bad as the trannies who want to make the Imperium progressive and liberal.
>>721725081GW used to not be afraid of showing space marines dying. I honestly blame Astartes for over inflating marine wank to the point its just insane now but you cant say astartes is bad here so...
Would spess muhreen 3 work if one of the enemies is tau?
>>721725741Astartes and the Secret Level episodeare funny because they try to show Marines as being siper awesome badasses by having them fight dipshit cultists instead of properly substantial threats.The DoW1 and DoW2 intro cinematics are excellent showings of how Marines are supposed to be.
>>721725741the amazon episode and astartes really over inflates chud space marine fans
>>721725081Alas because the setting is just a pastiche of different comic books that were popular in the 80s Warhammer's dark fantasy elements have always felt like a coat of paint rather than a natural element.
>>721726018>>721725741trannies LMAOAstartes carried this franchise hard and GW canceled it
Warhammer on this fucking website is such a shit show now, all these sharty kids keep raiding us agasint it
>>721726370It was literally just space marines killing things with zero dialogue. We used to have marine stories with actual characters like Bloodquest. But marinefags don't want that, they want mindless action with the same tropes over and over and over again.
>>721726370Not at all. The Primaris upgrade is what catapulted 40k to new heights, and it now continues to do so as GW reworks it to blend Firstborn stylings into it as a refresh. Astartes, while a good fan project, is ultimately little more than a shiny blip on the radar to GW.
>>721726049they get wrecked by a sorcerer in the secret level show and theyre not nearly as impressive when they team up on the 2 psykers in astartes
>>721725081Its funny how GW's obsessive dick riding of heckin spess mahreens actually make space marines less interesting. They're the gayest part of the setting, primarily because it feels like the setting only exists for them.
>>721724434It's not. However, the campaign was too short and it is very grindy/repetitive. Overall I think it is an improvement over the first game though. The gameplay is excellent.
>>721724434The stupid fucking parry system and terrible sound effects.
>>721725741Didn't literally all the Marines other than Titus die in the secret level episode
>>721726714Only to make the random Daemon more threatening, thereby making Titus even more special and cool when hebkilled thr Daemon.
>>721725081You're not wrong. I also think its because the devs are retarded Russians who have zero self awareness or nuance and basically live the Imperium's reality on a daily basis where they have to praise their """emperor""" or die for treason on a daily basis.
>>721726551Marinefags just want Bolter Porn
>years of making fun of bolter porn books>one bolter porn animation is made>HOLY SHIT THIS IS WHAT 40K IS THIS IS INSANE ITS DEEP ITS FOR MEN!is animating this shit really what needed to make normies salivate over it?
>>721726797I'm not sure it was a demon.The GW Website just say it's a Sorcerer, so I guess it's the 40k equivalent of the Guant summenor from AoS
The funniest thing with SM2 is hwo it portrays Titus as some unkillable super Marine and then GW gave him a model with a statline and he's genuine fucking dogshit
>>721727143why bother even blogging this >oh wow the table top stats suckAnd? like why even post this
>>721727090Many of the current year entertainment is feminized safe gun shit written/directed by people who hate guns.When was the last time your average zoomer saw gun porn aside from John Wick?
>>721727324It's funny to imagine somebody throwing Titus at a Carnifex thinking it'll go how it does in SM2, only to watch him do no damage and get immediately killed.
>>721727529kek so based and funni table top is so different! Holy fuck shut up
>>721727632You sound mad, anon. Did you have a bad experience trying to play actual 40k?
>>721727090A significant portion of the population straight up doesn't read and haven't since they graduated high school and weren't being forced to. Most normies are barely literate, which is on full display anywhere you look on social media.
>>721727796Actual 40k table top sucks ass and always has sorry. I have minis but its not even a 10th ed thing the rules have always been bad and needed house rules to fix
>>721726018the dow1 intro puts regular ork boyz on the level of space marines, you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
>>721728028>the dow1 intro puts regular ork boyz on the level of space marinesAnon I got some news for you;They are
>>721728090No, you nigger. Orks are very tough and freakishly strong, but a boy is no match for a space marine. The space marine is faster, better armed and armored, and more intelligent. Physically and in somewhat in terms of gear, nobs are more on the level of a space marine. The dow1 intro has regular boyz and space marines slaughtering each other in droves. The cinematic is COOL AS FUCK which is what matters most, but you're a retard if you think it's how marines are "supposed to be." If you stripped a space marine naked and lobotomized him and had him wrestle one of the boyz, they'd start to be on the same level.
>KILL DA SPACE MARINESYes.
>>721724434The only thing I really prefer from 1 is glory kills restoring health compared to 2’s shield system.
>>721728612Lamenters are reddit and so are Salamanders
>>721728379>The space marine is faster, better armed and armored, and more intelligent.It's funny you say that since in Helsreach there's a Marine who thinks exactly the same thing while hunting for Orks, and then he rounds a corner and gets shot in the chest which almost kills him immediately.Get over yourself. Books, video games, and tabletop all make it extremely clear that Boys can fight Marines and win.
Really whoever wins is down to the writer's biases and whatever models they need to sell that quarter.
>>721728846>can fight marines and winNigger guardsmen can fight marines and win. Luck exists, individual writers with biases exist, greater numbers exist. That doesn't change that the vast majority of 40k content depicts marines as a step (or a few steps) above most factions' grunts. Boyz are not on the level of a space marine. They're superhuman tough and strong, they CAN kill space marines. Almost always by outnumbering them, sometimes by getting lucky. An equal number of marines vs boyz, the marines will win every time. Marines aren't GENERALLY getting downed by a few shoota rounds making contact with space marine armor. You can cite exceptions all you want, it's what dishonest people due to ignore what is generally true. You can have the last word if you want to continue seething.
>>721724434There isn't a single thing first game did better. It was a painfully shit action game made by devs who didn't know how to make action games.Also orks were terrible and utterly devoid of their personality. Which was especially damning coming from DoW2 by those same devs which got them right. In SM1 they only shout about spess muhreens>>721725081>Space Marine 2 is about Titus The Plot Armoured killing literally everything that gets in his wayYou are objectively incorrect. That's what happens in SM1, where in spite of being a Captain, Titus doesn't do anything but fight and does everything aloneIn sequel he actually comes up with plans and tactics and commands other squads, since he can't do everything on his own like his mary sue version in SM1> how he's right about everythingHe isn't. He is wrong about his stance towards his brothers and it isn't him who even comes up with final plan to defeat Tsons. Gadriel does it, twice.>Every single enemy you fight is a 1:1 recreation of a tabletop model, as is every single Marine. This is again objectively, factually wrong. None of the classes are like in tabletop, they are all completely made up with access to weapons which aren't on tabletop. Just like their look.
>>721728818what space marine chapters arn't rediit at this point?Storm Wardens, Tiger Claws, Marines Errant ect?
>>721729463>You're biased because I say you are, but I'm not biased because I say I'm not
>>721724434Having to unload an entire mag of bolt just to kill one warrior fucking sucks and then you only have 3 mag amount worth of bolts in your pocket. It just too unfun.
>>721726675Well...yeah, space marines is the single most recognizable part of the 40k universe. They are the John 40k Warhammer itself.
>>721725407Yeah but Mira is hot, I don't mind the fact that she is giving orders to a space marine captain. The pajeets is enough to infuriate me the moment she appeared.
>>721725081I might've agreed with you if you were talking about the fucking game instead of venting about tabletop and lore out of nowhere
>>721724332>SKWEEEEEEEE- *BOOM*
>>721724434It stuck to it's guns following the 10 year old design of SM1 and World War Z (for pve)So it wasn't either a proper dad game nor a progressive horde shooter like Vermin/Darktide
>>721726797So a games workshop approved project showed a bunch of Marines getting melted, got it
>>721726675Because it is, ayycuck
>>721731942The 'muh lore' faggots are constantly mad about Marines getting the spotlight over their alien scrimblos. Usually it's eldar faggots who are the worst and most vocal about it.
>>721727529I find it funny anon, don't worry.
>>721728090>>721728846>>721730249>Utterly convinced some inexpensive throwaway and numbers focused unit is the equivalent to a super soldier designed by a demigod>Whose power gap is not only extensively evidentiated by lore but also in the game's stats>Fiercely defends this position exclusively with the most braindead fallacies imaginableYou sound intensely mentally ill
>>721733112Even after being expressly told by GW that they don't matter, xenosfags still want to try and argue about it.They think the roadside carnival attractions should be the main event.
>>721729996>There isn't a single thing first game did better. First game had actual customization for chaos marines and significantly more PvP content (it originally didn't even have a co-op PvE mode). 2 is just another co-op vs hordes progression grindfest with PvP thrown in as an afterthought. It's a big downgrade.
>>721730062Marines Malevolent and Flesh Tearers. The hordes of guardsmen are normgroids who deserve to die.
>>721733312SM2 PvP has more game modes, weapons, abilities, mechanics and classes than SM1. Has as many maps and will have even more content. Even visual variety is better>2 is just another co-op vs hordesThe best action game genre. It's too bad that they wasted 6 (actually 7) missions on moviegame campaign instead of making more Vermintide style missions
when you kill Orkslmao bottom text
>>721733751>nickel and dime progression just for a pauldron, or a color scheme>bettercorpocucks need to be doxxed.
>>721733892you had progression system exactly this same in SM1 you delusional retard.
>>721733760>Blows up your 10,000 year old super warrior with a regular fucking grenadeLmao
>>721724434it's the nortubel of the warhammer series
>>721724332
>>721734007>immortal character just respawns 3 days later>super special OC dude dead for good>timeline moved on about 100 years, Ulthwe still standing>so the big nightlord attack either never happened or failedGuess who had the last laugh
>>721734443>Guess who had the last laughConsidering the books end expressly stating that the person the eldar were trying to kill actually survived, the Night Lords did.Also it's eldar. It's genuinely impossible for eldar to win.
>>721734129RIP to my boy Boss Grimskull. 'E wuz a right propah git 'e wuz.
Space marines that, space marines this Do you ever think a CHAOS space marine point of view game work? or just chaos in general, we really never get a chaos only game as it mainly Imperial 90% of the time
He was right
>>721734591>Considering the books end expressly stating that the person the eldar were trying to kill actually survived, the Night Lords did.Yeah, but the purpose of this night lord guy was to unite the Night Lords and destroy Ulthwe. And right now we have no indication of the Night Lord being united and Ulthwe is still standing strong, so it kinda went nowhere>Also it's eldar. It's genuinely impossible for eldar to win.Its 40k, anon. No matter how many times you win or loose, the status quo overall never really changes.
>>721734696Sure, you could play Chaos in DoW before, you could play Chaos in Battlefleet Gothic 2 and you could play Chaos in Warhammer Total War. Just take those narrative stuff and expand them to full title
>>721725081>how he's right about everythingCompared to the first game the companions actually feel like humans. Titus is shown as in the wrong for not trusting his battle-brothers, and in turn we get multiple points when its implied they might fall to chaos and betray him like the first game but they genuinely subverted expectations by remaning steadfast after Titus learns to trust them.
>>721734765Yes but also no. Investigating a unusual chaos resistance is 100% something that should be investigated, but Leandros should have gone to the Ultramarines chaplains and librarians for that, instead of involving a third party institution like the Inquisition
>>721734846>No matter how many times you win or loose, the status quo overall never really changes.It's adorable that eldar fans still try and cope with this. Your faction got left behind to bleed to death after it was revealed nobody gives a damn about them. You had the chance to be important with the ynnari, and the eldar fanbase did nothing but bitch and complain. The only ones still in a status quo are the eldar, because nobody cares about shitty space elves.
>>721735130There was no Chaplain or Librarian on hand, and the other member of the squad had already died outside of Leandros' view. Calling the Inquisition was a reach, but one that was sensible.
>>721735167anon, everyone is still in Status Quo. The imperium take stuff back in Indomitus, but not really. Chaos is on the advance, but not really. Necrons are waking up, but not really. CWE are still dying, but not really. DE are raiding as they always do. Orks will launch their giga waaagh any second now, but not really. Tau will expand even more, but not really. Its the nature of the beast. All you will ever get is random warfront you never heard before and will never hear about again, being totally different and going to change everything (it wont)
>>721734696I would really like this. I mean, half of my classes in Space Marine 2 are painted and designed off of traitor legions already. And I loved the Chaos campaigns in the DoW of war games. I think it would be interesting and cool to play a game like this from a villain perspective.
>>721735386>Imperium has Primarchs returning and High Lords taking direct action again>Chaos has taken half the galaxy and is currently pushing into the other half>Orks have lost Octarius and are now surrounding Ghazghkul>Tau have a brand new Goddess brewing in the Warp, and are gearing up to attack Ultramar>Necrons are undergoing a civil war between Szarekh and Imotekh, with Szarekh having to push back against the Imperium in the Pariah Nexus>Tyranids have launched their largest invasion ever and began the Fourth Tyrannic War>Eldar have... done nothing for the past 10 years except die and fail
>>721734007You realize SM and CSM are both also 10000 year old super warriors that can be blown up with regular grenades, right?
>>721724434it was woke
>>721736650Only some dreads and custards are that old, not the regular loyalist marines
>>721727125Gaunts outrank Lords of Change, by a lot.No way a group of space marines could even touch one
>>721727090Only the saddest, and most pathetic type of 40k fanboy reads black library shit. Most fans who actually engage with the hobby on any level, stick to the lore in the codexes and core rulebooks
>>721737327Nobody gives a fuck about your overpriced instruction manuals. Go back to /tg/.
>>721732825Except there is nothing compelling about horus heresy. Especially with how it ended up as essentially a fucking thinly veiled therapy session of the main author venting about his daddy issues that he projected onto the emperor. Horus Heresy is the most juvenile aspect of 40k.
>>721736650Phoenix lords are the elder version of primarchs but they are mega jobbers even worse than jobgron. Plus most marines are only a few hundred years old
>>721737641Nothing the eldar have can even come close to a Primarch.
>>721735167It is funny how our resident eldar hating autist is still in denial about how successful the range refress of the Eldar was, to a point where for months stuff like Fire Dragons and Warp Spiders were out of order due to them being bought up so fast. Hell even the new Banshees that had been out for few years got bought up along with the range refresh. But nooo, eldar are totes the most hated faction in 40k because your retarded autism demands that to be the case.
>>721737462Retarded tertiary detected.
>>721735167>ynarri!Do you defend the primaris too?
>>721737861Eldar only sell because their rules are retardedly broken most of the time. Nobody gives a fuck about their lore because it's garbage. There's a reason they got cut out of DoW4.
>>721735312> Leandros couldn't just fucking wait until the team got back to the battle barge> Leandros actually suspects Titus of being a heretic despite he killed a Chaos Lord Ascendant five minutes ago> "Get on the vox and immediately call the Inquisition!"
>>721738137Would it make you seethe more if I did?
>>721735767Nah
>>721738224No, it would just make you a slop eating retard for defending aspect warrior marines
>>721738141>Eldar only sell because their rules are retardedly broken most of the timeLmao, keep coping. Besides, you don't even play the game so how would you fucking know if the new codex made them OP or not?> Nobody gives a fuck about their lore because it's garbage.That's just your opinion. Their codex lore is excellent and outside of retards that actually voluntarily read BL shit, nobody gives a fuck about the "lore" in those books.>There's a reason they got cut out of DoW4.You are delusional if you think that they won't be introduced to the game in a DLC if the game is even remotely successful. I'll eagerly wait for your autistic bitching and crying about them when that happens.
>>721738265Oh look a new model who got literally no lore or presentation except that she got gunned down by the Imperial Guard. Definitely a riveting major development for eldar!
>>721738387>You are delusional if you think that they won't be introduced to the game in a DLCJust like Battlesector, right?
How can you tell if someone's a Warhammer fan?Just like vegans and furries, they won't shut the fuck up about it.
>>721724434Cmon. It very isn't. 2 is a flat upgrade in all aspects, simply for the fact it's the same, but with more features and a shiny coat of paint.
>>721738394>when I make shit up
>>721724434too woke
>>721738016>tertiaryThis is optimistic, quinternary more like
>>721738528The literal first article about her is about how the Imperial Guard were in the process of destroying her armor but other warp spiders saved her at the last second.
Daily reminder that your average ork is stronger than your average space marine. If space marines didn't hide behind their cuck armor, they'd get shredded by a single shouting green retard.
my racist wife
itt: laughing at 40keks
>>721738461Sure, they might get added to that as well if the game is kept in development, I dunno because I haven't followed that game. If Eldar are so "hated" how do you explain their presence in Gladius btw? Or do you just ignore it, like you ignore the sales of the new aspect warrior models, or the presence of two Eldar characters in Rogue Trader as companions?Your "everyone hates the Eldar" narrative is entirely your own projection that you have been trying to push, it isn't real outside of your head.
>>721724434SP feels like generic scenarios
What chapter are you rocking, bros?
>>721738743smegma GW only keeps you afloat out of sunk cost fear and most people online who arent even table top players hate your guts
>>721736650the only 10k year old space marines are chaos ones living in the eye of terror since the horus heresy
Extremely controversial opinion:I like both Space Marine 1 and Space Marine 2 a lot
>>721738852>Paying for cosmeticsLolLmao even
>>721738684>when I'm illiterate
>>721738743Look I think nu-40k is as fucking lame and for faggots as everybody else, but let's not pretend Age of Smegmar and Sigmarines are any better
>>721736914Yeah, most Eldar aren't that old either. It pretty much only applies to the elite of the elite in all cases. A single Space Marine is still the culmination of hundreds of years of elite training and nigh to actually irreplaceable top of the line wargear and cybernetics, and they're just as capable of being killed by dumb munitions and chaff units from the various non-elite spam factions.Just seems weird to me to try to dunk on the eldar by posting something that applies equally to the faction you're posting while doing so.
>>721739020There is a resident autistic retard in these threads that will use any opportunity to try to instigate some sort of flame war about the Eldar for some unfathomable reason. Any excuse, any reason. He's been up to this for a while now, you can recognize his posts, and the images he likes to spam when he gets upset. It is kind of funny though because his antipathy towards the Eldar might be explained by him getting tourneyfagged by Eldar players but as he has himself admitted that he does not even play the tabletop game, that can't be the case. I can only assume that someone dunked on him so hard in DoW1 or 2 with Eldar that he is eternally seething about them.
>>721739221its some /tg/ troon he comes here becasue /tg/ is a dead board now
>>721739221They generally don't like all xenos; they hate eldar the most, but every now and then they'll use the same NPC argument with other xeno factions.
>>721738743Name 1 (One) good Age of Smegma video game
>>721739221And by these threads I mean 40k threads in general.>>721739281He posts on /tg/ as well.
>>721737735>A: It’s always a bit risky making power comparisons and it very often depends on circumstances. Some characters have more general abilities, others excel in specific situations. But on the whole I would say that Primarch level beings included Phoenix Lords, a few ork mega-warlords, and in terms of strategic ability a few gifted individuals such as Macharius. But not all of them were the complete package - Phoenix Lords are not army leaders, in that sense, for example.PRIMARCHFAGS, GAV THORPE HAS BETRAYED US
>>721738928Anon that literally says that the armor was slated to be destroyed by the Guard and then Eldar jumped in at the last second.
>>721739417Does it say that "she got gunned down by the Imperial Guard"?
>They still believe in the 'Anti-Eldarfag'He confessed on /twg/ during the Total War 40k hubbub that he's a falseflagging Eldar player who just makes those posts to generate discussions one way or the other, and intentionally acts retarded to discredit actual Eldar haters.
>>721739638>the actual reason why eldar fail in the lore is because they're getting manipulated by other eldarkino
>>721739556Why else would they have her armor?
>>721738990oh, its much better. Everyone gets attention, Stormcast are actually interesting characters that are allowed to be human and Sigmar is more fun.
>>721739638Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised. There are so many fucking autistic schizo retards on this site these days that an individual retard goin to that length of shitposting for some convoluted, asinine reason is just part and parcel of using this god awful shithole of a site.
do Squats fare better against orks than the imperium?
>>721739720it literally says they discovered ancient armour, the guard just found the armour lying around after she had previously died in some unknown fashion. the same thing happened with the shadow spectre phoenix lord
>>721737641>>721737735They are something between a custodes and primarch, or at least they should beThey are just eldar posessed by the soul of another ancient eldar and wearing fancier equipment afterall, or something along those lines.
>>721739795Given that there are tons of Orks in the galactic core, probably only marginally better. The strenghts Orks have against the imperium are still largely same strenghts they have against the nusquats, namely:>Far more numerous>Tough and reslient both in combat and in terms of where they can live.>Very hard to wipe out for good.>Can basically live off scraps and junk and turn scrap metal into war machines.>Every victory you have against them just invites more bois for a good scrap against you.
>>721739861phoenix lords dont actually have fleshy bodies, its just like, stardust in there
>>721739638Shut up and go back to /vg/, fag. My hate is my own.>>721739831So eldar just leave their 'Primarch level' leaders laying around to collect dust and be destroyed by other factions?>>721739861A squad of Custodians would casually butcher the entire group of phoenix lords.
>>721740052>slaughters your squad of custodesNothing personnel
>>721740008They need a fleshy body in there to animated the armor, although the armor itself is where its consciousness lives. Whenever one jobs on the battlefield the Eldar have to find an exarch of their aspect willing to put it on.
>>721740052The Phoenix Lord of the Warp Spiders had been lost for eons (meaning, GW didn't have a model for her until now), because the Phoenix Lords are not military leaders stuck to one place or craftworld, they are more like legendary ancient heroes/demigods, that travel tbetween Craftworlds and battlefields via the webway, lending their aid before continuing on their journeys. That has always been part of their lore, the way they established the aspect shrines across the craftworlds was trough these travels. GW just saw it fit to introduce Ihykhis by having her be "rediscovered".
>>721740381>Literal trannyLol
>>721740454The way it's been described, the eldar vessel just loses their soul, their body still exists or disintegrates. Like there's a story where Asurmen resurrects and the body of the eldar sacrifice is still there
>>721740490Sucking out the lifeforce of a woman to live longer is based though
>>721740454>>721740576Isn't the sould sort of just absorbed into the "mini infinity circuit" within the suit? Aspect Warrior Exarchs have sort of similar thing going on as well but not to the same extent.
>>721740653Yes but it's somewhat inconsistent as to whether the eldar needs to literally put the armor on and if there's still a body in there. Another example is Jain Zar mentioning she physically cant have sex
>>721740052>A squad of Custodians would casually butcher the entire group of phoenix lords.And then i hear about how Harlequins dabbed on Custodians the next dayThank fucking god i moved on from 40k
>>721740772>And then i hear about how Harlequins dabbed on CustodiansFake news. The author mistook Custodians for Lucifer Blacks. He even apologized for it once it eas pointed out.
>>721724434because it was designed for coop and no one was gonna bother with that shit in 2024
>>721740381Drazhar has kino as fuck design. Dark Eldar in general are easily among the best looking factions in 40k.
>>721740838made up bullshit from coping custodesfags, no such thing ever happened
>>721724434Tranny writer, unironically.
>>721740981Yeah, because the writing is the problem, lmao
>>721740772Then why are you in this thread
>>721725312A tranny wrote SM2, moron.
>>721740754The sort of pagan human (or in this case Eldar) sacrifice part of the war cults of the Eldar is one of my favorite aspect regarding their culture. The whole rite of the young king that occurs when an Avatar of Khaine is awakened for war is extremely kino.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srRtMtc5_ik
>>721740838>Fake news. The author mistook Custodians for Lucifer Blacks. He even apologized for it once it eas pointed out.Bro you still think GW are beyond doing/allowing something like the Harlequin shit, as if it could only happen as a mistakeAnd then there's mentally ill retards who come here and other places to act like their shitty plastic and throwaway lore is the second coming of ChristHow the fuck does a sane human doesn't fucks off from this entire thing
>>721741030It also is. Trannies should be killed and not hired to write anything.
>>721738221I hope his ass meets the Space Wolves at some point, they would probably glass him. Hell Ulrich would probably do it.
>>721741347no amount of jobbing will make me think the avatar of khaine is lame
>>721724332>SPOICE MUHREENS>COME AND GET ME SPACE MAREEN>GET OFF MY SHIP SPICE MAREEEEN
>>721741259Dunno really, attachment, habit, whatever, 40k threads used to be pretty good before mental illness became the norm everywhere.
>>721740891Dark Elves have really good aesthetics and playstyle.A shame they are a complete nothingburger more pointless to the setting as a whole than several unplayable factions.
>>721724332>Gawr: Hey Mr. Tyberos. Some green mushroom is looking for ya!>Jeff: RAWR!>Tyberos: [[SILENCE BEFORE THE STORM]]
>>721724434>why was 2 worse than the first one?Because Primaris.
>>721724332beakie boyz iz great foightan
>>721741740They are colossal, burning effigies of an ancient wargod, with molten metal flowing trough their veins, with a shape shifting sword/spear/axe and boiling blood flowing eternally from their left hand. It is basically impossible for them to be lame no matter how many speshul mary sue muhreens defeat one in battle because the concept of the Avatar of Khaine itself is just inherently rad as fuck.
I'm ready for necrons to be the baddies in 3 finally. They'll have to make some zombies to be the mobs though
>>721740981>>721741281Oliver Hollis-Leick and Craig Sherman did
>>721742193Primaris were an upgrade lore wise and in general the best thing that ever happened to 40k
>>721742526No
>>721742681NO
>>721742526>Primaris were an upgrade lore wise and in general the best thing that ever happened to 40kNo they are not schizo. Primaris Marines make no sense lore-wise, get suddenly tech that shouldn't be a thing or be very limited in the tetratons and were created for the CoD audience (The Vanguard part of them specifically made for it).They are sterile, their looks are retarded at times and have none of the character of the OG Marines. They are stuck with the MK.X while other older armors exist and, with the exception of the MK.VIII, can be mixed hard for maximum customization.>>721742681>>721742772Don't forget their new Landspeeder that causes the gunner to have super-tinnitus.
>>721742526Explain why GW is backpedaling on them then?
why is no one talking about space marine 1
>>721724332orks are more fun to fight than nids or tsons, and ill tell you why. orks actually talk shit back to you while your fighting, whereas tsons say nothing and nids just make RAWR noises.
I never bought plastic so i don't hate the Primaris like it's worse than Satansorry im not a retarded manchild i guessThis unbiased view even lets me realize how they look better in literally every single way
>>721725741honestly I liked that the other space marine squads didn't just die during the campaign and you would be forced to mosey on over and clean up after them... I was actually surprised they managed to clear objectives without the main squad.
Will Dawn of War IV be good?
>>721744171Its slop
>>721742936>Primaris Marines make no sense lore-wiseThey explicitly make perfect sense and were a natural expansion for Marines, just like adding Devastators, Stenguard Veterans and Vanguard Veterans was. They finally fixed retarded Scout situation where Marines had to train themselves in usage of tactics and weapons they were later denied to use once they were proper Marines. Now they finally have access to this much needed light armor variant, which was especially needed for Chapters which were supposed to specialize in such tactics. For this same reason they finally got access to a much needed heavy armor variant. There are far more fluffy and versatile now, fitting Marines.There is nothing sterile about them either, their armor mark is explicitly the most customizable one and can be mixed with older armor marks. Nothing about their tech is out of ordinary as well, older units had access to much more bizarre tech like Graviton gunsMost importantly their sales freed GW and so it could finally afford to expand nonMarine factions. It's thanks to Primaris that so many factions are brought back or newly made. It's thanks to Primaris that other model ranges were finally updated, enhanced and fleshed out in gameplay, units, fluff and model range. It's thanks to Primaris Eldar, Tau Auxiliaries, Chaos, Orks, Tyranids, Necrons, Admech, Squats and much more finally were gifted. It's thanks to Primaris that other specialist games like Warhammer Fantasy even were brought back.>>721743109They don't. Light and Heavy armor variants continue to get new units at this same time as Scouts, Terminators, Veterans etc are getting new units.
>>721744171I bought plastic (tyranids) and I think it's kinda gay that they didn't just update the marine lines and instead tried to have their cake and eat it too
>>721744171kek for someone who claims not to be a manchild you sure feel super defensive about people mocking those plastic toys
>>721744674Yeah i thought that was lame tooBut can't players just say their old marines are primaris? Or are they forced to buy them? I know that would be incredibly shitty but still doesn't justfy blindly hating Primaris over GW like some people here seem to do.Honestly if i was a plastic buyer i'd have looked for a new hobby right then and there
>>721744551>a dreadnaught except the marine is alive (but not protected)>also a sidearm bolter on the hipthey've truly evolved from the GK babycarrier days
>>721744804>you sure feel super defensive about people mocking those plastic toysOnly if you made a strawman in your head that i cared about Primaris miniatures.
>>721745060Primaris update wasn't just about models, it was also about gameplay. In the old days, the basic marine troops were tactical, assault and devastator, which were each flexible squads. For devastators for example, they were able to a take a variety of different heavy weapons. Now, there's a specific primaris squad for each of those different heavy weapons. They feel overly specialized for what marines should be, like Eldar aspect warriors.
>>721745091It's a 'stealth' dread meant to support recon operations.
>>721744551To be fair these pseudo-dreadnoughts have never looked good, no matter how many times they try them
>>721745284Did they model everything so that you can't replace the weapon part with another? Isn't that a crucial part of the game?
>>721745840Of course, everything is monopose so you can't interchange parts without significant filing and filling.
>>721724434simple>Saber Interactive way in over its head>post 8th edition space marines just are not fun or interesting
>>721746031I have no words to express my disgust, that's a whole other level of jewry.
>>721724434It's great except they fucked up the health regain system, which makes high difficulties utterly unfun misery
>>721744551>>721745091>>721745596they really need to get over this exposed pilot battlesuit shit they're on I have no idea why they're still doing it what 15 years later since the stupid dreadnight baby carriercenturions were goofy but at least the marine is actually encased in the suit and not hanging out of it begging to eat a hit from whatever big threat he's supposed to be fighting against
>>721747038Clearly you haven't been paying much attention becuase that's been GW's thing for years and years. The worst was the new Ork boyz which were so absurdly monopose they actually still sell the old kit as well because Ork players would riot. It only has 5 choppas and 4 shootas so you're forced to make a mixed unit unless you buy like five boxes.
i like the imperial guard
Corn
>>721742772Ashamedly I have one of those ATV vehicle minis.Was a nice christmas gift.
>>721747038its mastercrafted jewerythey'd already started doing this sort of thing in late 8th releases like the new death guard squads that had incredibly strict loadout setups which were a precursor for giving everyone not power level costs with "free" gear selection that's built into that base cost so you're always going to take the same unit setup as everyone else besides some weird, shitty outliersits actually impressive how they've managed to keep simplifying listbuilding and the actual game over time but in none of the ways they set out tonewfaggots and consumers will tell you nothing is wrong though shut up and pay 50 bucks for five models with almost no customization or bits when you used to pay 35 for 10 and almost full options in the box
>>721724434Too woke.Simon says parry and dodge slop.Made Titus look and sound worse, and made him a caveman tier troglodyte instead of the cool dude he was in SM1.PVE multiplayer is dogshit where you're expected to replay the exact same 3 missions over and over again like an autist.The multiplayer marine customizer is barebones and riddles with terrible aesthetic decisions.
>>721745840>>721746031This is wrong. You can easily change weapons, helmets, pauldrons, small bits like holsters or tilting shields, hands and arms etc. The only thing that is harder to change are legs and torsos due to their dynamic poses. There is nothing at all stopping you from gluing plasma gun to an assault marine or giving flamer to an intercessor model
>>721744521lol nonothing will ever be good from now onunless it's an unknown studio
>>721748905It's the Iron Harvest devs. Better hope they learned from their past mistakes.
>>721725312This is your brain on /pol/
>>721724434Tyrannids are a shit antagonist race, unironicallyJobbers for making the latest codex update look cool
>>721749050and iron harvest was...interesting but not fun to play. so i'll keep hedging my bet with guarded pessimism.
>>721725741Because Astartes is actually good and very well made, but yeah, I'm with you on how it utterly fucked 40k. Now the Imperium can't be grimderp anymore and the Space Marines literally have to be boyscouts.
>>721748638>Too woke.Nope. There is zero political commentary or pushing any agenda. Worst thing are some nigger faces which are covered in helmets anyway>Simon says parry and dodge slop.A massive upgrade over first game here on every single level. Actually lets you duel enemies thanks to blocking and parrying mechanics being a thing as well as invincibility during finishers. SM1 was a terrible cover shooter where you had to hide or at best roll away from any stronger enemy and shoot him in the face>Made Titus look and sound worse, and made him a caveman tier troglodyte instead of the cool dude he was in SM1.He was a caveman troglodyte in SM1 where he wasn't acting at all like a Captain should. Had worse VA too due to wasting money on getting some hollyjew to phone his acting>PVE multiplayer is dogshit where you're expected to replay the exact same 3 missions over and over again like an autist.It's a proper sequel to VT2, which was the best action game ever made and a straight upgrade over l4d2. Exterminatus in SM1 was a complete garbage, where you had 2 series of low effort, samey, empty arenas with endlessly respawning enemies. SM2 has entire, diverse, proper missions with cool setpieces, boss fights, objectives etc.>The multiplayer marine customizer is barebones and riddles with terrible aesthetic decisions.It's more indepth than SM1 was.
>>721725081ackshually, the imperium are the bad guys
>>721749253>Now the Imperium can't be grimderp anymoreWhere are you niggers getting this bullshit from. Do you just make up things to be angry about?
>>721725741They are elite soldiers and there is only 1k of them per chapter. Losing one is detrimental to the imperium so I understand why.
>>721724434It did nothing new expert visuals. Game is just you doing same shit over and over again. The game is a tech demo that's being sold as a separate game for some reason. Also nu warhammer is just not fun. I can believe how dull this universe became after dow2 release.
>>721749756Bro
>>721750014Because it’s fun
>>721725312BASSED
>>721742681I hate the pogo stick shit on flying mini
The Codex Astartes was a mistake. 1,000 marines per a chapter makes no sense. Humanity wouldn't be in such a bad position if each chapter could have 10,000-50,000 Astartes
>>721750276Most of the imperium is peaceful. Also, SM are rarely called. The Horus Heresy killed more of the imperium than modern chaos or nids has ever done. Even though nids almost wiped out the Blood Angels.
>>721749664Wrong.Wrong.Wrong.>It's a proper sequel to VT2I have no idea what that is and the SM2 operations design is fucking dogshit regardless of what it is a proper or improper sequel to.>It's more indepth than SM1 was.This is true but also completely moot like your previous point because SM1 allowed character switching, not customization. And it was good at what it set out to do, whereas the SM2 customizer is just straight up garbage.
>>721750276Oversized Legions is precisely why Horus did so much damage to the Imperium.That said Guilliman did amend that after he woke up. Keep in mind; the Codex was written before the Tau, Nids, or Necrons were threats
>>721750113>nooooooooo stop being anti semeticThe imperium are the good guys and always have been
>>721750113You are not making any point here
>>721750423VT2 most likely means Vermintide 2 which tells you that he's either incredibly retarded or simply baitingsince this is a warhammer thread it could really go either way
>>721750423>Wrong.>Wrong.>Wrong.Not an argument>I have no idea what that isVermintide 2> the SM2 operations design is fucking dogshit regardless of what it is a proper or improper sequel to.It's perfect and far superior to anything in SM1>SM1 allowed character switching, not customizationyou are not making any sense. You had 3 classes as opposed to 6 (soon 7)
>>721729996>This is again objectively, factually wrong.Meanwhile on the actual GW 40k models shop
>>721750735>Not an argumentJust like your drivel.>Vermintide 2So?>It's perfectWrong.>You had 3 classesClasses alter gameplay. The topic was the aesthetic customization.
We need more eldar representation
>>721750925Of course gw is going to take the success of SM2 to shill their figs. Most of the books, games, lore, etc is to buy their figs.
>>721751057Yeah almost like you are just playing an ad for the tabletop wargame exactly like that other anon fucking said you disingenuous retard.
>>721750925that has to be the funniest thing I've seen all day
>>721750972Yvraine is an aggressively mediocre characterBut holy FUCK she's got some hot art
>>721751191You're stating the most obvious shit retard. It's the same with the Mario and Sonic movie shilling for their games and merch. It sounds like you're surprised companies do this. Are you autistic by chance or just a dumb faggot?
>>721751191>>721751286Just play 40k games, dont buy their gay figs, simple as that Tbh i may buy some for collection if they didnt look like ass most of time
>>721751286>its not happening >okay it is happening but thats normal so stop talking about itHoly fuck lmao
>>721751491Funnily enough Battlesector comes closest to playing like the actual tabletop.Unfortunately it's also priced the same way.
>>721750972Why are they like this?
>>721750925You are braindead, imagining things and objectively wrong. Back in DoW1 Relic was cucked by GW and only allowed to do things as in tabletop. This isn't the case for ages, including newest games like SM2, Rogue Trader, Vermin/Darktide or TWW.Show me this Gravis model on tabletop, after all SM2 only has 1:1 units from mini range. I will await your cope/goal post moving.That's again not to mention that Coop classes aren't like tabletop units. They have different names, access to different weapons, access to different cosmetic options and deploy in 3-man squads, each with different class.Same thing in campaign where you also play as a character unlike anyone on tabletop>>721750970>Just like your drivel.I'm objectively right about everything>So?It's the best action game ever made, others should be inspired by it>Wrongnah>Classes alter gameplay. The topic was the aesthetic customization.They alter both. Classes have some shared cosmetic pieces, other are unique to them.
>>721751618>Funnily enough Battlesector comes closest to playing like the actual tabletop.Why is that funny? I liked that game.
>>721751624Eldar men are too busy reading the future, writing long-form poetry, or fuckung Sisters of Battle to tend to the needs of Eldar women.
>>721752089It's funny because it's priced the same as the table top. It's a remark how expensive the DLC for the game is. For example you need pay $10 to play as Sororitas and another $10 to play Tau. That's the funny part. I'm glad I was able to think for you.
>>721744609Still no. Also Recon Squads exist.All GW had to do is transplant Horus Heresy units back into 40K.Instead we get not only Marines who do not make sense lore-wise, they are also the most kitbash unfriendly, monopose models ever. And they are ridiculous at times.
>>721751624do you think gorillaman pounds the shit out of her or keeps his composure. I like to think he'll always be a pure virgin so its harder for the demons to corrupt him
>>721751926>I will await your cope/goal post moving.They are literally selling models 'as seen in Space Marine 2' on their official website. The only one coping here is you.>UHM AKSHUALLY THEY DIDNT RECREATE THE VANGUARD'S LIMITED EDITION PREORDER BONUS v1.5 FACE MASK THAT ALSO REQUIRES YOU TO REACH LEVEL 20, SO UHM THAT DOESNT COUNT *SNORT*Holy fuck what a retard
>>721724434Are you guys fucking trolling? 2 was a flat upgrade in basically every way, I guess traitor customization isn't as good and orcs are more fun than nids but thats basically it.This is one of the worst cases of new bad old good brainrot i've seen here, this is literally the first time ive ever seen anyone claim 1 is better than 2, even on /v/
>>721752342*creamapis behind u*Nuffin personnel..... Geedub.......
>>721752481She's an eldar, anon. If he thrusts then she'll break.Obviously he just lays back and lets her do all the work.
>>721752481I dont think any of the primearchs were created with penises.
>>721752481Yvraine used to be a Dark Eldar anon. SHE is the one who breaks HIM.
Yvraine time?
>>721752670>>721752481>>721751624I'm so glad I don't care about 40k lore so I have no idea what stupid racemixing propaganda you fags are on about.
>>721752671Im wrong. Apparently The Khan had a harem of lovers or something.
>>721752597its nostalgia and contrarianism and thats it
>>721753048Guiliman's elf waifu played a key role in bringing him back to life from a comatose near dead state that he'd been in for thousands of years. When Guiliman came back, he immediately began to coordinate human and space elf forces together to fight cosmic threats to both races. Because of this, people meme that Guiliman is fucking the space elf that saved him.
>>721753048Guilliman got revived and a hot Eldar slut is who made it happen so clearly the two of them are deeply in love now. It's that simple, don't look further into it.
>>721752342Maybe you should try attending primary education, that way you could successfully translate what you think into the form of sentences in just one try. You'll be really glad about that.
>>721753237It's a good thing she saved her old outfit.
>>721753048It's secondary coomers posting fanwank shit and pretending that it is canonical. Yvraine and Guilliman interacted once after which Yvraine fucked off to do her death cult shit and was unceremoniously basically dropped as a character by GW because nobody who likes the Eldar liked the shit GW was trying to do with Yvraine and the Ynnari faction she leads (their point was basically to combine all Eldar factions into one army and squat slaanesh, a plan that was dropped by GW when there was a change in leadership). Thus, she is essentially irrelevant to the overall "story" in 40k, but for some asinine reason, coomers and other retards keep spamming the fanwank art of her and Guilliman.The retardation of porn brained subhumans cannot be overstated.
RING THE NOLDORDAG BELL
>>721753949Oh, and of course, the same coomers accuse anyone who talks shit about them of being noldorfag, because in their tiny minds, there can only be a single person ever who hates their irrelevant smutposting and obnoxious behavior. Have you seen me post any fucking dunmer etc itt, subhuman? I am not Noldorfag, I just specificially, hate you fucking retards, because you always end up spamming the same fucking smut every time Eldar are discussed be it here, or on /tg/.
Chapter Master Skrillex taking over from Bullet for my Valentine
>>721753321>Maybe you should try attending primary education, that way you could successfully translate what you think into the form of sentences in just one try. You'll be really glad about that.to"Attending primary education could greatly improve your ability to translate your thoughts into clear, well-formed sentences on the first try. I think you'd be pleased with the results."I’m not the brightest either, but I’ll give you a few pointers. Starting your sentence with ‘Attending primary education’ could work as a humorous insult if executed well. The structure, however, could be a bit smoother.
>>721754279just put the nu-beakie
>>721754279is that supposed to be shrike
>>721754360Shrike stepped down during the indominus crusade and nominated this guy, Aethon Shaan who was part of the 1st or 2nd company
>>721753814Tell me anon, would you prefer>Yvraine is a strong Eldar leader who forged an alliance and eventual love with Guilliman bringing the Ynnari great success as not only unifiers of the Eldar, but as a figurehead of Eldar revivalOr>Yvraine is a miserable half-insane wretch who has known nothing but failure, defeat, and scorn even by her own kind. The Ynnari are all but destroyed as she madly pursues suicidal missions as she crazily babbles about how her mission cannot be over, even as her followers abandon her and the Daemon who aimed to be her nemesis doesn't even care to finish her off.Because those are your options.
>>721754359What a fucking abomination. Why is everything about primaris such garbage?
>>721752558You are a retard with not thoughts of your own. I have seen this bullshit about only 1:1 recreations being allowed in Warhammer games multiple times already here. An utterly baseless claim and easy to dismantle. You were proven wrong>They are literally selling models 'as seen in Space Marine 2' on their official website. The only one coping here is you.And you have no idea what this means. Because SM2 doesn't just have 1:1 recreations of models, but their own takes on them, unlike what you claimed. This was a thing with Warhammer games since DoW2 at least and restrictions only were loosened over time. Store has closest possible units in that tab, like Intercessors despite SM2 having "Tactical" as a closest analogue.>UHM AKSHUALLY THEY DIDNT RECREATE THE VANGUARD'S LIMITED EDITION PREORDER BONUS v1.5 FACE MASK THAT ALSO REQUIRES YOU TO REACH LEVEL 20, SO UHM THAT DOESNT COUNT *SNORT*Correct, it completely btfos bullshit argument here >>721725081 >Every single enemy you fight is a 1:1 recreation of a tabletop model, as is every single Marine.Enemies, playable characters, skins, classes/units all are allowed to have unique takes on them which are plentiful in SM2 and other Warhammer games.
>>721754482sounds like retarded hand waiving to push out shrike for a new shiner model
>>721754279Why of all the less popular founding chapters do the raven guard get their chapter master, and twice at that
>>721754863Every single faction and subfaction will get developed now that GW has money and means to do so
>>721754663The latter because the ynnari, and especially yvraine, were always a half assed attempt to squat and/soup the eldar factions. I'll take Iyanna over Yvraine any day
I wish there was a Dark Eldar game in which the gameplay is primarily just you and a band of other kabalite warriors going to human planets to taking in slaves to torture them in Commorragh. The rape and torture would be a minigame and it would have a lot of depth to it, like a whole game within the game.
>>721753176The funny thing is that Guilliman has been saved more by Eldar dudes than women. Going by the shipfag logic, Guilliman is being pegged by Eldrad
>>721754663The later, of course, because I like the Eldar, utterly detest the whole notion of human x eldar romance shit, and the idea that the Eldar revival would happen trough some gay ass retarded alliance with the Imperium, because the idea goes against the core identities of both factions.I never liked Yvraine in the first place, the way GW introduced her, and her subfaction was fucking garbage that sullied whatever potential the idea of Ynnead worshipping pan Eldar cult might have. The entire motive for that subfaction stemmed from the aborted plan to essentially do "age of sigmar but for 40k" which thankfully never came to be.I'd be fine with Yvraine being killed off.Like my meme picture here stated>>721753814, the revival of the Ancient Days can only come trough the slaughter of Lesser races and burning of their bodies on pyres dedicated to Khaine. Praise Asurmen.
>>721753237I'm glad we have the cooler Yvraine now
>>721755316Her face looks like shit. GW is so bad at making female models lmao.
>>721754710>Correct, it completely btfos bullshit argument hereYou didn't need to post more than this. In fact you could have also just admitted you are a retard and no further interaction would have been necessary.Imagine unironically thinking that the argument of 'Space Marine 2 is an ad for the tabletop' is wrong because the chain across the chest of the tactical marines level 15 armor isn't actually available on GW's website so it can't possibly be an ad, after being faced with a literal category saying 'as seen in Space Marine 2'I thought all the GW shills were on /tg/. Are they expanding the marketing budget or what my dude?
>>721755316>just Shadowheart in dark eldar armorNah.
>>721755125The coomers/shippers have no logic to their thinking beyond "man & woman were in the same room once? They must be fucking!" It is even more retarded with the brand of coomers that tried to meme that that white scar mongloid primarch is fucking Lelith when the two have never even met lmao. Lelith is also apparently a carpet muncher but that shit is from a Black Library novel (aka pure garbage read by the lowest rung subhumans that engage with 40k), so take that with a grain of salt.
>>721755437The faces are fine, they're fucking tiny and the ability to do detail is minimal. It's more so they don't paint on makeup
>>721755830>The faces are fine
>>721724434the story is just a flat demo for the operations, that basically are nothing special
>>721724434reskinned world war z, they did the same fucking gaym
>>721754670because past the initial idea of "lets give the marine line a facelift in a way that forces everyone to buy entire new armies for the faction they've been playing for decades" there wasn't really any thought put into itmost of the new infantry options can be summarized with>okay we took all of the special/heavy weapons options away from tacticals>take one of weapon options and make it a new special marine only design that an entire squad uses>make sure its very different from the standard imperial version of that weapon so people can't just kitbash>what if it looks stupid?>who cares? give it strong rules and they'll buy itand most of the rest of the entries are>take old unit>put a nonsensical design spin on itwhen you look at the whole army list for marines now there's just a lot of jumbled pieces that don't make any senseoldmarines chapter structure has a sensible division of squad assignments, mostly flexible tacticals with devastators and assault marines to provide focused support where needed when tacticals are caught out or just don't have enough on their own in the typical company with space for auxiliary assignments from support and reserve companiesnumarine order of battle just doesn't make any sense with the dozen non intercessor specialized squad designations which is why they had to add the lines about everyone switching roles around all the time which is dumb because it muddles an individual marine's ability to train and specialize in their assigned role to excel and implies that every primaris force is toting around at least two or three times the amount of gear they used to just for their basic infantry since everyone has to aspect marine now
>>721755503>>721725081>Every single enemy you fight is a 1:1 recreation of a tabletop model, as is every single Marine.They aren't - period. Stop moving goal post already.>'Space Marine 2 is an ad for the tabletopEvery single Warhammer game is and always was, including SM1 and DoW1. That's a useless truism not indicative of anything.
>>721756531>rocket launcher specialists>don't use their rocket launchers like rocket launchersBaffling
>>721756172>Baww this 32mm mini doesn't look like my animay figurines, I can't fap to it!
>>721724434Two words: Primaris wanking.
>>721756531It's funny because even aspect warrior exarchs get more variety with their weapon choice than some primaris squad sergeants.
>>721756172The faces are never too great BUT gw studio paint jobs are trash awful for female characters, the microsecond it gets into other hands you'll see much better ones.
>>721754996>>721755187You've failed the test.Nothing about the top states that it would be affecting the entire Eldar race or be limiting them in any way. It would be a subfaction among the several the Eldar have, and above that could be one that gives more interest, and thus more content, to the Eldar as a whole.Instead you're blinded by your own bitterness and act content to wallow in the abject misery that modern Eldar have been dumped into, left to rot as background characters to grander plots.Where were the Eldar in the Fourth Tyrannic War? Nowhere. Where were the Eldar in the Pariah Nexus? Either slulking about pretending to have an impact, or helping the Imperiun.Where were the Eldar during Arks Of Omen? Nowhere outside of the Prologue, where they only served to warn the Imperium of the obvious.Where were the Eldar during the Plague Wars? Condensed to a tiny mediocre novella of Yvraine and the Visarch being borderline incompetent.What has happened in Laevenir? Nothing, because GW does not care for an Eldar war zone.You've scorned the potential from growth and success because you can't stand one facet of the Eldar being different in changing times. Well good job, now Biel Tan is dead forever and the Eldar can skulk and whisper like vermin hiding from rhe spotlight.
>>721724434It wasn't. It's objectively better by every conceivable metric. /v/ is just terminally contrarian.
good thread
>>721756972 We got more Eldar content with the recent refresh than anything with the ynnari.
>>721756531>past the initial idea of "lets give the marine line a facelift in a way that forces everyone to buy entire new armies for the faction they've been playing for decades" there wasn't really any thought put into itI'm not reading anything past this part. It's untrue and I think the very problem is that they DID put thought into it. If they had just said "hey you worthless manchildren autists we're making plastic dolls with new proportions and we ain't gonna explain shit", no one would have given a single fuck. No one. They would've all bought the little pew pew toys happily. But they felt the need to make all kinds of incredibly retarded fantasy explanations for real life greed.
>>721757083the forces of tzeench are so boring to fight and such a let down from the tyranids its almost impressive to make a 40k game with a boring faction. the ultramarines are also flawless and have no character
>>721756972The big campaign follow up after the Ynnari's introduction, psychic awakening, was a gigantic failure for the ynnari and actually pretty good for every other eldar subfaction. There was never a time when the Ynnari were successful even when they came out.
>>721756972>Nothing about the top states that it would be affecting the entire Eldar race or be limiting them in any way. >>Yvraine is a strong Eldar leader who forged an alliance and eventual love with Guilliman bringing the Ynnari great success as not only unifiers of the Eldar, but as a figurehead of Eldar revival>>as not only unifiers of the Eldar, but as a figurehead of Eldar revivalEat shit, you disengenious nigger.>and above that could be one that gives more interest, and thus more content, to the Eldar as a whole.Except I do not want any more interest from coomer subhumans like you towards the Eldar, let alone more "content" it if is shit that panders to your ilk.>Instead you're blinded by your own bitterness and act content to wallow in the abject misery that modern Eldar have been dumped into, left to rot as background characters to grander plots.Pure nonsense. I do not give a fuck about the "grander plots" of 40k, because I actually fucking engage with the hobby, and collect my little dudes, and paint them in my own color schemes and shit. The "grand narrative" of 40k means fucking jack shit to me beyond as the setting dressing that explains why everything is shit in the 41st millenium.What I want from my Eldar lore is that they remain as the aloof, mystical, turboracist space elves, that see humanity as little more than talking apes, and that's it. I don't need some grand narrative or Eldar to be tied to the Imperium in anyother context besides wars or the Eldar bamboozling the Imperials to do their bidding.
>>721757274No, you got more Eldar MODELS, and almost wholly refreshes at thay. There was no new content in the new Codex except that the Ynnari had disbanded, thereby undoing the past near-decade of Eldar work and replacing it with NOTHING. The only noteworthy lore in the entire damnable Codex was a paragraph about Wraithbone that was misinterpreted by retards on Twitter.
>>721757637Ok but every codex has been like that the last couple editions. The most recent significant lore development for craftword eldar narrative wise besides the ynnari self destruction is Alaitoc successfully getting involved in the pariah nexus. That's good enough for me
>>721757569>What I want from my Eldar lore is that they remain as the aloof, mystical, turboracist space elves, that see humanity as little more than talking apes, and that's itAnd nothing would have stopped you from continuing what you're already doing.This is the same banal level as those who complain about Nucrons and how terrible it was to change from Oldcrons, even as Oldcrons were still entirely viable and acceptable.
>>721757774>The most recent significant lore development for craftword eldar narrative wise besides the ynnari self destruction is Alaitoc successfully getting involved in the pariah nexus. That's good enough for meYou're "good enough" is a paragraph about how Eldar can't really he involved so they 'helped' instigate a fight between two leaders who already hated each other?
>>721757637>There was no new content in the new Codex except that the Ynnari had disbanded, thereby undoing the past near-decade of Eldar work and replacing it with NOTHING.Good.Getting nothing is preferrable to getting shit content. The thing you disgusting secondary coomer retards do not seem to get, that actual fans of various 40k factions, who collect their models etc, are usually just fine with the setting as it is, because the "plots" and "narratives" we actually involve ourselves are tied to the games we fucking play with our models, not shit tier BL novels or "grand narratives" that "drive the setting forwards". I fell in love with the lore of the Eldar when I read my first Eldar codex at the age of 14 in 2006 or someshit, and I never needed it to change beyond what I read in that codex. It did perfectly fine job of explaining what the Eldar are, their background, their ways of war and so on to me. And for most part, the subsequent codexes have remained the same, it was the Ynnari shit that was an aberration, which is why me, and many other Eldar fans included, hated that shit so much.
>>721735754>from a villain perspective.Villain? VILLAIN?! This vile slur upon my Good Name shall be AVENGED!
>>721757883The ynnari drag down every other eldar subfaction with them though>Lelith, a solitaire, and jain zar job because of them>biel tan fractured>characters like iyanna, eldrad and malys get overshadowed by the super special oc that is yvraine
>>721757637We got the sexy new Phoenix Lord, that's something.
>>721724434It wasn't
>>721757962Yes retard. It's good enough when the self-professed center narrative of warhammer is the imperium vs chaos. Thank you ADB. You want me to bitch about that?
>>721724434more cringe hammer speech
>>721757883There is a world of difference between the way nucrons were introduced vs the shit you advocate for, you disgusting coomer freak. Your proposal is to make a signifigant Eldar character into Guilliman's cumdump, to justify some sort of retarded fucking alliance between the Eldar and Humanity which goes against the character of both the Imperium, and the Eldar, and for what? More "content" that solely panders to you and your disgusting race mixing fetish.Fucking kill yourself.
>>721757421I wouldn't blame you for thinking that if it wasn't for the fact that the entire design philosophy behind them was to bloat the army list to make people but as many new models as physically possible in order to have a playable army with even a minute ability to alter a listif they just scaled up all the old designs and kept it all the same you wouldn't have a way to force people to buy new models off the bataltering the unit entries this way is forcing you to buy new boxes because otherwise people could still get away with just using their old models with new rulesyou aren't conceptualizing the whole picture probably because you don't know how the rules for the actual game have changed to enforce their kikerynot that I blame you for that either because the game has been atrociously shit for a decade and is only getting worse
>>721758008worlds goodest most moral boy
>>721757487They're still better than Chaos in the first game. Which just consisted of making annoying units who exploited all of the game own design weaknesses against the player forcing you to fight back in a way the game wasn't designed for and felt like shit.
>>721758091Reminder that Eldar are canonically 6-7ft tallIs that what you like, huh?
>>721728612Is he okay?
Iron hand chads where you at?
>>721758347
>>721758347>sweatingman.jpg
>>721734696Chaos Space Marines are so fucking gay though.
>>721757569In my eyes the fundamental flaw with Eldar is that they've been stuck with this shitty "Will they won't they" kind of alliance with an Imperium that hates them. They're also stuck with the design of being a "Dying race" in a setting that demands mass casualties in nearly every skirmish.I always found the Dark Eldar to be the much more engaging and fun flavor of Eldar to play with.
>>721758206The reason the setting is centered on Imperium vs Chaos is because retards like you think blurbs are 'good enough'.>>721758091Oh yes, a new major figure whose entire background can be condensed into half a page. No achievements, no history, no characterization. Just a little pretty $40 model.>>721758251No, there isn't. Nucrons were a vastly larger change over the mock Ynnari. Even now you're too blatantly blind to see the potential ramifications. Of course not every Eldar would join the Ynnari. Of course not everyone in the Imperium would endorse such an alliance. Of course there would still be wide swaths of both sides that would hate and despise and kill each other. That could be something even further explored. Perhaps those against the alliance unite with Biel Tan and repair it. Perhaps the Inquisition has an internal war over the situation. Naturally Commoragh would still want her dead too. But no, can't think that deeply can we?
>>721758592>In my eyes the fundamental flaw with Eldar is that they've been stuck with this shitty "Will they won't they" kind of alliance with an Imperium that hates them.Except this is not even remotely true. The Craftworld Eldar are not allied with Imperium beyond at best being allies of convinience when it suits the Eldar and the Imperium both, and those alliances never last long because the Imperium is fundamentally xenocidal and the Eldar have no desire towards any alliances that won't be solely to their own benefit. They aren't even able to maintain long term alliances between Craftworlds because each Craftworld is ultimately it's own thing and looking out for it's own interests.
>>721758806Yeah well when every craftworld eldar book has been, blurbs are good enough
>>721758989That's defeatism and you know it.
>>721759016Well I'll see how the new Corsairs book does, otherwise there's no hope for the BL books being good for eldar centered stuff
>tfw don't care about anything but space marines and orks
Sorry oldfags but most fans these days dont play or dont care about the table top gamesThey only care about the lore and may be a few video games on occasion Get mad all you want but that is how things are these days
>>721759121It's a Mike Brooks book that includes Orks. We already know how that's lokely to go.
CHUDS FOR THE CHUD GOD!
>>721759171yes, it's very expensive
>protoss are much cooler than eldar and tau put together>zerg are much cooler than tyraniddersThey really got mogged there desuNekrons are based thoughever
>>721758806> Nucrons were a vastly larger change over the mock Ynnari.On scale, yes, but not towards the fundamental nature of the Necrons as their independent race. Nucrons gave the Necrons more character and agency and wider range of variety within their race while still allowing for the possibility of the old school terminator necrons to be a thing (and by large the necron warriors etc still are the exact same entities). The only entities that suffered were the c'tan in their original conception but even with them being turned into shards you could still wield the old models as shards of the deceiver etc, and even come up with your own shards. However, most importantly, nothing in the nucron lore changes made the Necrons even in part, subordinate to another faction.Whereas, your disgusting and retarded proposal shits all over the entire chracter of the Eldar, by turning a major faction of them into essentially fucking race traitor sidekicks for Imperium, for zero tangible benefits, or even wider range of model expression within the faction. How would "Yvraine and Guilliman falling in love and Ynnari allying with the Imperium" lead to new lore or models for the Eldar that actual Eldar fans would be interested in? What in universe fucking benefit would there be for the Eldar at all to partake in such retarded nonsense? Why the fuck would a Primarch fall in love with a Xeno?Nothing in your idea makes any god damn sense outside of your porn brained fanfiction. I
>>721742681imagine wishing marines could get autocannons as a heavy weapons option and years later this comes out
>>721758806Given how shit most Eldar writing is, I'd prefer blurbs where they can't fuck things up too badly.
>>721759393Too bad SC2 ruined both the Protoss and the Zerg.
>>721759557true unfortunately
>>721759471I hate "fan"art that removes the iconic masks from the Phoenix Lords.
>>721758932Yeah but the problem with CW Eldar is "What's thir interest". Every other Xeno faction is driven by basic needs that put them in conflict with the Imperium and each other on a constant basis, further augmented by a character's specific goals to add flavor and variation and intrigue. But how does this apply to CW Eldar?The Craftworlders are just waiting to die unless humans pull something out of their ass to fix the Galaxy.
>>721759693How tragic for you.
>>721759693The Ynnari Deathcult should of had the goal of powering up their Death God by killing EVERYONE ELSE, not the retarded idea of committing mass suicide.
>>721758379He's a Lamenter.Of course he's not okay.
>>721759742The interests of each Craftworld is survival, and each goes about it in their own ways. That has always been the case for them. They are not jus "waiting to die", each of them is doing shit to further their goals in their own ways. Uthwe trough the guidance of their farseers, Ailatoc via their countless pathfinders gathering intelligence, and of course, the best, and most based Craftworld Biel-Tan, trough the slaughtering of lesser races, and so on. Each Craftworld has their own agenda, and interests and that even go against one another at times. That is the appeal of the Craftworld Eldar, they enable you to basically go full "your dudes" with them with your own minor craftworld ideas and what not.
>>721759875>should ofIgnored.
>>721759857Revolting manface.
Rogue Traders are more fun than Space Marines anyway.
Eldar are for Slaanesh
>>721760012I kind of hate that Blood Ravens became a Scooby Doo tier reddit meme chapter like Lamenters. I really liked DOW1.
>>721738716This guy imitates vanripper's style extremely well
>>721759875They've just been changed to want that now
>>721760207But anon, I already incorporated Slaaneshi Eldar into my Word Bearers.
>>721752878Anon, lets talk about that m in the filename
>>721760453Too late. The soup is spoiled and Lore wise they feel like a bargain bin of actually interesting Eldar characters who go "Yes Ynnari Good".
>>721760134Yes I am of ignored the grammars
>>721753949
>>721760639The recent codex had Eldrad and Jain Zar ditch Yvraine for being too eager to kill every Eldar, and Lelith pretty much left in her novel. Iyanna got reverted to her previous gem quest
>>721737526The final redpill is that everything after 4th ed has been either a mixed bag or dogshit
>>721760885>everything after 1st edition has been dogshitFTFY now fuck off tourist and go back to pol
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>>721760768Damn cheeky Farseers.
>>721760023Survival is only interesting when you have to hold ground and fight. Eldar lack that because they only really have the One Craftworld each. The Imperium Survives, but that only gets interesting because it can be further refined to the struggles of a character we like.What do the named characters want? What drives the great Leaders of the Eldar? What are their specific rivalries and objectives? Half of them can't even die permanently, so what's even at stake?
don't give a shit about 40k but I just wanted to say grimgor is da best
>>721761143Theyre trying to revive their god of the dead, the same god that let Girllieman return.
>>721758467To be fair a Power Kanabō is very fucking cool.
>>721760210They were a meme chapter very early on desu. All memes regarding the Blood Ravens have always been consensually liked by 4chan, even propelled by the folk of /tg/ and /v/.Just because someone people of like them as well, it doesn't mean that they're irreversibly tarnished.
sisters of battle owe me sex
Fuck around and find out, nigger
>>721761143>Survival is only interesting when you have to hold ground and fight. Eldar lack that because they only really have the One Craftworld eachWhat a retarded fucking take. Craftworld Iyanden fought off an invasion by Hive Fleet Kraken and their struggle for survival in that conflict and the aftermath of it is core to their identity.
>>721724332>You have received the acceptance of our chapter master. But know this Titus. Everything that happened to you was by intention. You are no heretic. I AM.
>>721762012Yeah and nothing meaningful happened because obviously Iyanden didn't actually fall. The "We use dead people to fight" Craftworld just got more dead people to fight with. Blood Ravens have a more interesting premise setup in the first half hour of their appearance than the entirety of the Craftworld Eldar faction
>>721762120twitter tranny meme.
>>721760207
>>721762347Leandros would become a legend if it's revealed he's actually Alpha Legion.
Tbh i think eldars look lame as fuck, from their armor to their vehiclesThey need some serious overhaul, look at the protoss for refs or sth
>>721762536Eldar being the only hard-canon faction in DoW was always weird to me.
>>721724434this game is cool
>>721763009Onions? The fuck? They drink semen and drugs you retarded secondary. Tau and Eldar are the onions factions.
>>721763009>>721763113
>>721738716>xitter tranny artist >who grifts
>>721762536M8, it was the invasion of Hivefleet Kraken that made Iyanden the wraith construct Craftworld because so many of them died.
>>721744609>blablahblah textwall of corpo shill twitter tourist fag opinion
>>721730062>Lamenters are redditNo>Salamanders are RedditYes
>>721756172Yes. The GW studio painters just use a style that leaves the face really pale and without any makeup imitation aside from even lighter raised areas like cheeks and lips.
Space mureen 3 better have a backdrop where a proper fucking titan blasts shit whole you are fighting.
>>721749664>zero political commentary or agenda with making the space romans who every single character in the heresy is blonde haired and blue eyedsuck GW's cock harder I think they'll unironically hire you knowing that's how some of their writers got a job at Black Library.
>>721760983What a strange thing to bring up completely unprompted
>>721760768>are goals align
>>721764019Lamenters are absolutely Reddit, bro. 99% of 40k is. It's the problem with othering another website like a retard.
>>721764201The Servitor made me laugh
>>721755756Shart somehow has more personality, writing quality and backstory then the entirety of the Ynnari faction. How does that make you feel?
>>721764201>another mentally ill korean obsessed with guro of minors
>>721764345Lamenters are the 1% non-rebbitorJust give me this, please Jesus
>>721733751SM2 has less maps, customization for only one of the two factions, and requires PvE grinding for cosmetics in PvP, none of which was true in SM1. It's just worse. It's fine if you like the PvE co-op progression games, I'm happy for you that they pivoted the franchise in your direction, but don't pretend like they didn't gut PvP. Also what's with the rhetorical argument you're making here. "There isn't a single thing they didn't do better" and then you just don't mention any of the stuff I just brought up. Like obviously you were aware there was, at the very least, one or two things that SM1 did better because you conspicuously avoided them.
Is this Canon?
>>721765121It used to be back when the setting had soul. The Custodes didn't wear their armor out of mourning for failing in their duty to protect the Emperor. I'm not sure the Sisters of Silence did the same but it wouldn't surprise me.
>>721765121Fem-stodes are cannon.
>>721765121Yes actually, naked custodes are mentioned in the most recent HH book
>>721765121Yes, back in 1987.
>>721765121this came out like three months ago, its canon the custodes did use to go around naked.
>>721765869>but for their cloaks, loinclothsThey're not stark bollock naked anon.
>>721765869>lion clothsIt so Joe-ver....bros
