The eternal debate
There's no debate, both are for faggots.
Both are tranny garbage
Owlcat's Pathfinder games are so bloated with useless classes and feats. And the balance is ass with statbloat.Also the itemization is dogshit.
>>721732407>He thought he could talk about a non-nintendo game on /v/Prepare to get called a tranny for 100 posts silly little dude.
>>721732407pathfinder is one of those games that rapidly decreases in its fun factor once you leave character creation
>>721732407They're completely different games. Just because they're CRPGs doesn't mean you'll necessarily enjoy them both.
>>721732407bg3 appeals to casuals which is what everyone turns into when they first start playing crpgs, and bg3 was their gateway game.
>>721732407The eternal debate
>>721732690Instigating a flame war is against the rules, and you've made this thread repeatedly which is also spam. If the mods cared about this place you would have been removed a long time ago.
WotR does not have a single good waifuBG3 has 33>0
There is nothing to debate except for this
>>721732690Aw look at the angry tranny!
>>721732846>and bg3 was their gateway game.big question remains how many of those players will actually try out what else the genre has to offer
>>721733161Arue mogs the shit out of all the girls in BG3Hell, the best girl in BG3 wasn't even made by Larian, and she's not romanceable
>>721733349>mogsOpinion discarded. You type like a faggot.
>>721733417Shouldn't you be having sex with the gay bara bear guy?
>>721732638True, yet I want to play somthing similar and there is nothing else out there. Im going through CRPG withdrawls.BG1>Planescape Torment>BG2>BG3>DOS 2> Kingmaker>WotR>Wasteland 3>Solista>Expefitions Rome>DOS>PoE>Icewind Dale>Expeditions Viking>Torment: Tides of Numenera>Tyranny
>>721732407>One game was made by an AAA studio for millions of dollars and over 7 years>The other game was made by a bunch of Slavs in less than 2 years>They are equally broken but Larian didn't even think about finishing and fixing BG3 all the way throughhttps://youtu.be/uITaghKWMMM?si=IatCixviVPJObWHH>>721733601You sound like a pretentious faggot and I bet you haven't even played half of those games.
>>721732407Unfair comparison - BG3 is a culture war psyop, while WotR is an actual game. I mean, a 12lv cap? Come on.
>>721732407Can someone explain the whole>Obsidian and Owlcat games are toootally comparable to Larian gamesmeme to me?I mean, those games are fucking garbage compared to BG3 or even original sin, not to mention made by russian subhumans (and you can definitely tell)Is that what the meme supposed to be about? "haha these games are so dogshit compared to BG3"?I honestly don't get it
>>721733805>I mean, a 12lv cap?What about it? BG1 has a lower level cap than both and it's also better than both. The only problem is that the game is too long so you'll spend the majority of act 3 at level 12.
>>721732407WOTR because you can actually hit things regularly and spells that aren't magic missile can actually do things.In WOTR, I can a a degree of confidence that my Wizard will pass an Arcana check.In BG3, I can be certain that my Wizard will at best fail most of their Arcana checks instead of all of them.Also WOTR has a level cap of 20+, while BG3's level cap is a measly 12. That's just too low for my liking. Part of the appeal of levelling is that it's something that you can experience throughout the game. In BG3, you can reach the halfway point before you've finished Act 1.
>>721733753Im a highly educated self made millionaire, of course Im pretentious. Im better than you in every way you genetic deadend poorfag retard.So many games are missing why would I just list these ones? Think you fucking loser.
>>721733838BG3 wasn't even going to be released or finished (and still isn't) until they got a tencent cahs injection and a deadline you two-faced corpopig faggot.
>>721734049>WOTR because you can actually hit things regularly What in the actual fuck are you talking about? WotR is infamous for how hard it is to hit things without proper buffing and minmaxing, BG3 is the total opposite >and spells that aren't magic missile can actually do things.Oh so you're shitposting, nevermind
>>721733838BG3 and Dos2 are pseudo CRPGs for normiesObsidian and Owlcat CRPGs are proper games in the genreOne are inspired by Critical Role, others by Baldur's Gate and other CRPGs. They are different things.
>>721734049>WOTR because you can actually hit things regularlyDid we play the same games?
>>721732407Alright its been a few days and I restarted kingmaker with evidence.Y'all lied to me, though I'm still gonna finish it this time.The characters did not know the reward was a barony until getting to the mansion.
>>721734049>and spells that aren't magic missile can actually do thingsAre you retarded? Have you never tried doing the most basic bitch of combinations with grease + fire cantrip? darkness + darkvision? Magic is highly useful and versatile in BG3, if only magic missile works for you that means you're retarded
>>721734175>>721734217The buffing isn't a big deal once you get used to it. At least the buffs actually DO things.Meanwhile in BG3...>91% to hit with advantage.>Miss.I'm never going to say anything bad about Xcom or Mordheim ever again.
>>721734646>t. Camped after every battle.
>>721732407one is for casuals and has super broad appeal and sold a million copies, and one is not, niche, and didn't sell anywhere near the first oneA tale as old as time
Normalize forcing /tg/ schizos and crpgfags caintained in /vg/. They flood the catalog every day. Paid shills or not.
>>721734830>The buffing isn't a big deal once you get used to itYou sound like Starrok doing damage control even while everyone was begging Owlcat to please include an aufobuff function >91% to hit with advantage.>Miss.This guy actually got filtered by BG3 lmao
>>721734830Maybe Im just used to BG1&2 but I didn't find hitting that bad. Out of the 2 though I definitely found WotR worse. Especially those 60 AC bosses with more Armour than Cuthulu.
>>721734845What does that have to do with spells being useless outside of magic missile? You think that having to manage your resources automatically makes your spells useless?. Not like there's anything wrong with resting after every battle, mind you. As if WotR punished you for resting too, it's not Kingmaker
>>721732407BG3 > Rogue Trader > Wrath
>>721735082>but I didn't find hitting that badIt's not bad at all unless you're genuinely terrible at the game, like, going out of your way to level up INT while playing a fighter and dumping STR kind of terrible
>>721735007Look, when the hit chance is more trustworthy in Mordheim, you know you've done something wrong.I'd sooner trust a 65% hit chance in that game than a 91%+Advantage in BG3.
>>721734223>game's name is KINGMAKER>HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW??????????
>>721735206As long as you are having fun thats all that matters. Im just pointing out the biggest difference between tabletop D&D and computer games is the wizards. For 1 battle they are unstoppable, but over 8 battles its a completely different class where you dont get to combine spells so cavalier. Its all in how you want to play. I just found it personally much more fun to play it tabletop style.
>>721732407wizard in bg3 was more fun than in pf so that gets my vote
>>721735585If I gave you a button that has a 91% chance to give you $1000 and a 9% to kill you, would you press it?
>>721735320I like to self insert myself into these games. Fallout 1 where observation was everything fucking lead to the worst miss 90% of the run Ive ever had. Just awful.
>>721736296>For 1 battle they are unstoppableNo, they're good for multiple battles if you don't spam your spells like an idiot. You don't have to throw five fireballs per fight. Throw one, then pick off the rest of the enemies with your martials>As long as you are having fun thats all that mattersSure, but you're saying that magic in BG3 is useless outside of magic missile, this is objectively wrong
>>721732407Pathfinder scratches the tabletop itch better for me. I'm into the crunch. I love the mythic paths too, they add so much build variety. It's WAY too fucking wordy though. Most dialogue boxes could be cut down to like 1 or 2 sentences without losing anything meaningful.Bg3 is more fun in general. The engine lets you play really unique builds as far as CRPGs go. Picking up enemies and slamming them into each other is always funny to me. Plus built in nude mod is pretty based
>>721736503>A thousand dollars.>An end to an ever increasingly bleak existence.Sounds like a win-win to me.
>>721734830Turn off Karmic dice
>>721732407These two brutally mog every other crpg out there. Larian and Owlcat are miles ahead of the competition. Either way, CRPGs are in a very good place right now.
>>721736632One fireball per fight isn't that useful. Thats the whole fucking point.
>>721736829WotR isn't even the best Owlcat game, RT mogs the shit out of it
>>721732407>bg3Looks good, but hte only good part is act 1>wrathPaizoslop with a generic boring setting. You can do a lot of stuff and actually play a role which is more fun than lesbian drama in act 2 of bg3. Companions are boring and so is the story, but you can be a cool skeleton (sucks ass actually in terms of story and companions), chud (nothing ever happened *ceases to exist*), jonkler and discount doomguy - which are fun in their own right as well.
>>721732407BG3 is vastly inferior to writing to BG2 and WOTR isn't as bad as I thought it would be, but still pretty eh. Point is that nobody can write worth a shit like they could back in the 90s.
>>721736838I hate ARPGs so much its unreal, but I love those games. What's xenoblade and FF Origins?
>>721736146Player knowing is one thing, a STORY starts however it wants. I like playing reluctant heroes not Griffith
>>721733838congrats you discovered the shill clicks
>>721736929>Evil spider cat girl>She calls you master>Purposefully misbehaves so you whip her>Companions are boring
>>7217332493.6%
>>721737105>Obnoxious traitorous whore that cucks youHard pass.
>>721737105My goto choice was the chud mythic pathMutants are bad, m'kay?
>>721737105That doesn't make a good companion, coomtard. Regill is the only one with some depth on that squad.
>>721737246>Regill>depthlollmao
>>721737105Look I'm into blue women, catwomen, and spiders, but that bitch tried to eat me she can get fucked metaphorically not literally.
>>721736807I have got them off. Although, I'm starting to think that "On/Off" option for them is purely cosmetic.
>>721737272Yes, depth.
>>721737441He has next to none, he's one step below a walking lawful caricature like Vhailor
>>721732927I generally don't care about this stuff either way, but I'm interested in trying out that No Alphabets mod at some point. I'm interested in how different, or not, it makes the game.
>>721732407BG3 would be more interesting if it wasn't fucking 5E. I hate that system. It sucks cock, at least in CRPG Form. Maybe it's better for the TT, I don't know. But I fucking hated that shit in both BG3 and Solasta.
>>721737105>there are owlcat players who bearpost
>>721737508As opposed to who? I didn't say he was a god tier written character, but you got reddit shit like nenio and the dei paladins and he's like a breath of fresh air.
>>721737181>>721737246>>721737376Not boring tho
In WOTR you can become a Gold Dragon. Nothing in BG3 tops that.
>>721737676At least when Wenduag tries to fuck Woljif and Daeran they never go through with it. Shadowheart can and will cuck you with Halsin if you give her the opportunity
>>721737749>In WotR you can become an omega kekold that literally lets his enemies run away scott-free so they can go kill more peopleThis is a win for BG3.
>>721737676For me, it's Camellia, who visits brothels behind your back and Arueshalae, whose carousel time is eagerly shared by the demons you run across as you simp for her being born-again
>>721737768>this bitch would be a cheating whore, but no one else is willing to fuck her wow, sounds great
>>721737946>whose carousel time is eagerly shared by the demonsThis barely happens btw, most of the time they just talk about all the people she killed and barely focus on sex. And when they do, your relationship is never mentioned.
>>721737676>monstergirl with the breeding fetish talks about wanting your companion's genes but gets upset when you suggest making her a mother during her romance dialoguewhat did russians mean by this?
>>721737909Even if GD isn't for you, the KC can also become an Angel, Demon, Devil or Lich.
>>721738386Then mention those and not the fucking lizard.
>>721737676shartcucks deserve all the humiliation they get its just that if it comes from fans of owlcat games, theres definitely some monumental lack of self awareness
>>721736838where do you put JRPGs here
>>721737685>As opposed to who?To most of them, unironically. I would argue Nenio is the only character with less depth than Regill because she's a walking caricature with no purpose other than providing (unfunny) humor. Regill is similar except that he's not a walking redditor, but the Regill you see at the beginning of the game is the Regill you get for the rest of the game and it is very, very rare of him to showcase any depth, and when he does (such as when he admits that he's actually afraid of the bleaching, but for different reasons other than dying) the game never does anything with it and it's quickly forgotten so he can keep being the cool ruthless lawmanRegill is charismatic, which is why he's so popular, but depth? nah
>>721738663
>>721738134>but gets upset when you suggest making her a mother during her romance dialogueI have yet to see this dialogue
>>721738438Point is that the KC can become an powerful being that can go toe-to-toe with Demon lords and tell Gods to get stuffed.Tav/Durge can become a brain-eating Squid.
>>721738821You can end BG3 dominating the Netherbrain and creating your own mindflayer empire then proceed to conquer the entire world
>>721733249Almost no one sadly. Very tiny fraction of players will check out other CRPGs because BG3 is the perfect one and it got memed with bear sex. Other CRPGs just don't have the same romantic and sex appeal with very fleshed out main characters. A lot CRPGs have unsatisfactory UI and terrible combat or even worse writing. I hate Owlcat games because it feels like a vomit soup of words that need constant context and it's unimmersive. The only CRPG that stands toes with BG3 is Archaelund, but Archaelund is an indie game so it's graphics wise not as good but it's still soulful and I highly recommend it.
>>721738978>A lot CRPGs have unsatisfactory UINot a problem because no one has worse UIs than Larian
>>721738913>dominating the NetherbrainJust like the Chosen three thought they did?Also, you still have have a tadpole in your head.>conquer the entire worldUntil another set of heroes come a destroy your level 12 ass.
>>721738913Yeah, and the new-ish Durge ending is pretty sweet too.
>>721739285>b-b-but what if x thing happens post-ending!Okay, the KC gets killed by a being stronger than them many years after the game ends, what now?
>>721732407WotR is better on story by leagues, but BG3 gets more normies for its "production value". The real truth is Dragon Age Origins mogs BG3 harder than WotR.
>>721732407BG3 no question
>>721739362Either way the KC has better options and endings than Tav/Durge.
>>721737105>Ever taking Wenduag over Lann
>Tav when listening to Shadowheart during Act 2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZogP6dzPiuc
>>721739497Never played WotR, never going to either, but the BG3 story sucks. Too focused on companions. Hell, Act 1 doesn't even have a story. It's all built on side quests. You can practically skip Act 1 if you don't do any side quests.
>>721739918That's how most crpgs are lil bro.....
>>721732407They're both good.
>>721738472Literally nothing in any Owlcat game compares to the utter humiliation of having Shadowheart disapprove if you reject Halsin's offer for sex, right after she admits to having fantasized about fucking him
Canon KC is>Aasimar >Female >Bard >Chaotic Good >Azata >Romance Arue >Ascension ending >Impregnated with twins
BG3 changed everything and i cant return to owlcat's shitty graphics and game play
>>721739906why would I kill my hotwife?
>>721740147Why were you pursuing Halsin in the first place, anon?Because you only get any of that stuff if YOU initiate it.
>>721740373>he's still trying to force thisEveryone already knows that Halsin tries to join in umprompted even if you haven't romanced him at all, it's over.
>>721733601>BG1>stopped reading there
>>721740018I don't play them lol. I've only played Dragon Age: Origins and then BG3 cuz people kept saying picrel
>>721739894I enjoyed cucking him
>>721740585>cucking him>when he fucking hates Wenduag
the company that makes the pathfinder games sucks. its such an ass engine.they shill a lot here though like every other company
>>721740308Because you can only push a good man or woman so far.>Selunite Tav when dealing with Shadowheart during Act 2.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDPt3---_w8
>playing pathfinder kingmaker>enjoying it, comfy fantasy RPG>get to kingdom building bit>manage to defeat the troll invasion or whatever>take a break>no will to go backShould I just go jump back in? Or is it as big a slog as people say?
>>721740578I forgot. It's not Picrel at all, sadly
>>721738978So its POV until combat?
BG3 is a fun game, but unfortunately 5e is trash. Pathfinder wins because the character building is better.
>>721740445Has happened to me. Is that glitch or something in older versions? I only started playing since late last year. Mind you, I barely talk to him.
turn based >>>>>> rtwp not even a questionOwlcat games are always a lore dump and always janky af gameplay. Rogue Trader was a step in the right direction but still classic owlcat jank
>>721740578Because it was true. The problem DA:O jank is still better than BG3 by a huge margin. 5E is a bad system because how fucking boring it is. Hell I've been arguing for years that adopting Tabletop gameplay to a fucking computer game is stupid. The gameplay of the tabletop is designed around a totally different philosophy of how you play. Worst of all now true rpg fans have to wait another fucking decade why every normalfaggots wanks off how great BG3 was.
>>721741035It's not a glitch, Halsin and Shadowheart's writer is just a sex pest who was obviously self inserting
>>721732407I love Love LOVE Camellia!!
>>721737181she doesn't
>>721732407BG3 is a much better game objectively pure gameplay wise, WOTR has better flavor, lore and class fantasy with mythic paths. BG3 is still superior. Companions suck in both so I'm not gonna rate that but yeah.Well leaving gameplay aside when it comes to the story in general I think Kingmaker is better than both. I liked the Fay oriented setting too because demons are everywhere but dealing with the Fay felt sort of unique which I don't really see in any other game really.
>>721740752The slog is really only in the last act and where the story and game suffers the most. WotR is an upgrade throughout so if you enjoyed act 1 of KM just go to WotR thoguh many complain about act 4 which I personally love.
>>721741162>Worst of all now true rpg fans have to waitwhy? just make something
>>721740752I found the next two chapters and the DLC even better, its after that it gets stupid.Honestly I'd just play until you die. Than every engagement will be exciting, and you'll know you hit the point bullshit gets slopped on. KM had its difficulty spikes but besides the wererats and a single DLC dungeon boss its nothing like WotR.
>>721740235>Dhampir>Female>Fighter/Two handed Fighter>Chaotic Neutral/Evil/Good>Demon to Legend>TwinsClose enough.
>>721741362You're technically right >>721738039
>>721732407>debateBG3 is a top notch CRPG with the best gameplay ever seen in the genre, wotr is a dogshit autobattler with a shit ton of tedious time-wasting elements and zero role-playing.
>>721737909I kind of agree. It was fun to play as, but the actual GD path was pretty shit.
>implying I am not replaying the shit out of both
>>721738081
>>721741657yah the kickstarter path incentives got cucked by short development time even with the patches they are still nothing like the main four mythic paths.
>>721741272How do you feel about her brothel escapades?
>>721741162>SolistaThats where you are wrong kiddo. Sure as fuck isn't graphics or companions, but its bizarrely fun despite the absolute amatuer hour presentation.
>>721741180Well, maybe i've just been lucky with my dialogue choices because i've had nothing like that in my runs and I don't know about it happening to any I know playing it either.
>>721740641Only after she dumped him in the prologue
>>721741986They were never in a relationship to begin with, and she doesn't dump him because Lann is the one who's disgusted by her being a kinslayer traitor
>>721741768Kek, how have I never seen this till now.
>>721742093You've really never seen it? Cam and Wenducucks love to spam it to try and pretend that's somehow worse than their waifus cucking you.
>>721741970>Why do these games keep forcing me to have sex with men! EVERY game I play I get bareback raw, fucking fags!
>>721741856Indifferent.Firstly, you are not actually dating Camellia until act 4, while the brothel happens in act 3.You're just friends with benefits up until that point. Also, while it is possible that she had sex while at the brothel, it is clearly stated that she was there for other services, specifically, to kill slaves there.And lastly, I love Camellia so much, that even if it was straight up cheating, I would look past it.
>>721740570I never get why you fags never show them up with your patracian tastes.
>>721742330>And lastly, I love Camellia so much, that even if it was straight up cheating, I would look past it.Yikes...
>>721742160No, but Im a God Save the Queen man myself.
>>721742330>dating Camellia until act 4, while the brothel happens in act 3No, it's act 4 and 5 respectively>even if it was straight up cheating, I would look past itAlso, cuck
>>721742160>Fucking a hideously disgusting cancer tumour looking demon as payment to his services is not worse than literally everything wenduag or Camellia does, combined.
>>721742620Correct, cuck.>that picLet me guess, you have no problem with Cassia's cuck ending.
>>721742330The average camfag, everyone; but who can blame the cuck when you look at the last 20 years of Western waifus? The only good ones that come to mind are Tali and Liara from Mass Effect.
>>721741596Id agree with this on the first run. My issue is I found BG3 had zero replay value well all that bullshit makes WotR intresting to play again. I HATE roguelikes but BG3 is the one game id want it in. Its just not the same at all when you know what the next battle will be.
>>721742487You mean the queen that tries to get you killed? The one that pulls a Valerie and doesn't have kids with you, but will with some random knight?
Well, one has fun gameplay and the other is an auto battler on the level of a gacha game.
>>721733982BG1 was designed from the start to be part of a longer narrative with one character. Not even remotely comparable.
>>721732407The eternal bot debate.
>makes the game 99% better
>>721743153>fans literally had to MOD the cuckshit outThe absolute state of modern video game developers
>>721732407I only care for coom materials. Both deliver
>>721742767
>>721733349>ArueThe succubus who was taking things like these from all the filth of the demon world for centuries does not mogs anything.She's revolting. If you need a better example, imagine that instead of gangbanging demons she gangbanged the brown horders of the third world.That's your waifu?
>>721732407I like both.
>>721736146Same company btw. You might be the person they tailored this warning in the Reign of Winter Player's Guide to.
>>721742905Yes
>>721733486NO >:(
>>721743423>Gets purified >Still a sex goddess, but with the body of an untainted virginYeah sounds like she's best girl
>>721743696>>721743683Duality of man
>>721743225most sane coomer
>>721742869>The average camfagThe average one outright denies her having had sex to begin with, none of them are that honest
>>721742487>remember, you're the property of the crown, now go die while they sit in a castle and do nothing of value for the rest of their lives
>>721732460>>721732491/Thread
>>721743725>>721742330>>721743683these waifufags are delusional
>>721743725So to you, all that matters is the body? You don't mind that she has perfect recollection of every demon cock and abyss tentacles she's enjoyed for millennia?
>>721744448Every time. Surely you're not afraid of being unfavorably compared right? The Commander is a sex god anon. Arue herself becomes an actual literal virgin succubus in the aeon ending if you let your companions keep their memories (and romance her)
>>721740235based based based
>>721744812So you would be fine with her fucking other men as well, then? If not, why? Surely you're not afraid of being unfavourably compared, right?
>>721744198Dulcē et decōrum est prō patriā morī.
>>721745010Of course not, please stop projecting your fetish onto me anon. Accept that the succubus that triggers you so much is the purest option, especially compared to the other two whores, and move on
>>721732407>The eternal debateOnly from /v/ non-crpg playing shitposters trying to start some nonexistent rivalry.There's not enough CRPGs getting made to be creating actual rivalries like other genres. Game's either "for you" or "not for you".There's a decent chunk of people who like both, since both are technically D&D video games (Pathfinder a branch of 3.5 D&D). Main people who'd not like these are people who don't like using D&D as a base system for a CRPG.
>>721743725succubus can already restore their hymen through shapeshifting thoughbeit, so even your supposed physical virginity gotcha falls flat
>>721732407Bg, pathfinder has plenty of useless shit in them
>>721732407BG3's far superior encounter design makes it win out for me. All the advantages that WotR might have fall flat when my mind just goes "bah, not again" when entering combat. The shitty crusade management didn't help either.
>>721745391She stops being a succubus, but yes, that's also a good argument
>>721745141>purestI don't care how much Desna mindfucked her. I would never want this things, sloppy seconds.>>721741768
>>721736838ARPGs are Diablo and Path of Exile. akshually
>>721745530>The shitty crusade management didn't help either.I agree, but you can just set that to be automated (same with Kingdom Management in Kingmaker) so you can focus on the RPG side of it.
>>721732407> "They're both gay." - Trump, Donald J.
>>721745337Hope you boys like Gacha and Roblox!
>>721745626Refer to >>721743725
>>721745674You miss out the items, get shitty ending slides, and can't get the secret ending. Like it or not, the minigames are an integral part of the games.
>>721733884This shit pissed me off at the end of Kingmaker and halfway through WOTR.
Even though both games are fucked by the modern pozzed writing in certain aspects, i'd still rather replay WOTR than BG3 because it still has several absolutely amazing characters and solid story arcs.It's also hell of a lot better as a power trip.
>>721745687Genres that are underserved are prime targets for gacha shit to try to take advantage of.Those poor Tactics RPG fans...
>>721745072>reddit filename
How good is a hippogriff as a pet? Good enough for a single level sable marine dip for a nature oracle?
>>721745530Falls apart in act 3 like all larian games
>>721746373Better than falling apart from the very beginning of the game
>>721745674Don't you miss out on some stuff that way?
for me its areelu
>>721746440If you're going for some completionist stuff, then sure it'd be an issue. But the game is perfectly beatable and playable without engaging with that.
>>721741945Solasta would have been greatly improved by letting me turn off the cinematics for Pathfinder's VN styled dialogue so I didn't have to see those ugly models after replacing the portraits.
>>721732407WotR is an actual game with builds, mechanics and items.BG3 is a glorified weg VN for low IQ emasculated troons, just see the amount of waifufaggotry.Also 5e lmao.
>>721745626Do you think Cam fucked one of those at the brothel?
>>721745530BG3's encounter design means jack shit when the game is not able to provide a semblance of challenge. Seriously, i didn't even minmax my party seriously, yet by level 3-4 i was steamrolling everything on honor mode, it's actually pathetic how badly these foes can fight back. Say what you want about WOTR, unfrair is actually fucking unfair.
>>721746779that one thing I can give owlcat credit for unfair is joyless slog that is only fun when your hyper optimized build starts to oneshot everything.
>>721746779>Say what you want about WOTRThat the game is easy? It's a numbers game. Play unfair and the only difference is that you have to minmax and prebuff harder
>>721746139and Im on a tablet, and Ive had sex before...
>>721746260The pounce attack is good
>>721746992>It's a numbers gameYes, dipshit, just like any CRPG in existence. And those numbers are actually forcing you to optimize and think about your party composition instead of brainlessly waddling through like in BG3. BG3 has a superior mechanical foundation but it doesn't mean jack shit when the game itself never provides any source of challenge.
>>721747149>Im on a tabletCringe>Ive had sex beforeCRINGELeave my board
>>721746561Thats why I have cautiously optimistic hopes for the sequel. Im curios to see what they can do with money.
>>721747231Ive been here since 2008, leave my board gamergate tourist.
>>721732638You are in charge of the buttons you press, so how is "bloated classes and feats" a problem?It's literally an opportunity to demonstrate your mastery of the system, by finding the good builds yourself.
>>721747472>Game gets praised for the build and class variety>actually most of these fucking suck or play the same>this is a good thing
>>721747540literally yes. This is discussed on page 1 of the Pathfinder players handbook.
>>721747728>guy who created shitty class system says the class system is good
>>721747767if everything was optimal than the game would play itself without your input. A game being a game necessitates sub-optimal options being available.Please think a little harder before replying this time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On2w9VTPbB4
>>721747914Literally never said that retard, in BG3 not everything is optimal, big difference between having 30+ classes with 5 archetypes each where most of them are either shit, or play the exact same as other classes
>>721746779 It means that I enjoyed combat much more in one game than the other.
>>721747472>literallyI'll find a post with that word that isn't retarded. Might not be today, but I'm not giving up.
>>721747914I can respect this logic a ton, its a shame owlcat can't. I guess I should just start putting the difficulty down and start making dumb Dancer / Merfolk builds.
>>721732407Feels good to be me and like every RPG game ever made equally. Because I'm a cool based guy.Except all the jrpgs, they don't count and are poopy
>>721733884There are pros and cons in both schools. I think the most important part of any encounter design is if the fight is memorable or not. I think Larian did a great job making even the trivial fights memorable even if the plot and story took a nosedive half way trough the game.The feeling of relief in ch2 after beating the demon in the ruins by the skin of my teeth with only 1 survivor in the party was great and i liked the rat basement in chapter3 but also was left wanting for more optinal tough fights troughout the game.Going too hard on the statmaxxing with a fight around every corner made the final acts in Pathfinder: WotR real annoying and just zone out, specially when spells never penentrated or targets were immune to everyhting (like in your post) meaning the only option is to run full pysical gang with a couple buffbots (and buffing taking so much time felt like the devs were deliberately wasting mine).
>>721747914>>721748576The suboptimal options should be you combining things that don't synergize, or trying to make an INT only barbarian. Not 90% of the options being shit because they are bad and don't work right.
>>721732407bg2 bodies these freaks.
>>721748576>I guess I should just start putting the difficulty down This the problem when anyone talks about difficulty in these games. Owlcat are into CBT so they made many CBT difficulties. One for those who like CBT and one for those who love CBT and one for those who love love love CBT; but there is also a roleplay mode. That's what everyone who doesn't like CBT should play. Yet you have soulstard who treat their prowess at beating 'hard' video games as a stand-in for real accomplishments, ruining everything for everyone.
>>721748748>It should be this way>why>b-because I'm so smart!!! That's why I can't handle too many buttons, because of how smart I am!
>>721748748You only need to play optimal builds on unfair or above. If you play on core, or normal, you can play a role playing build, without issues.
>every single pathfinder thread is either a low effort ragebait attempt that dies at 50 posts or a grueling shitfest that slaps BG3 into the discussion somewhere to ride off the free bumps from the bg3schizoin a better world, the arueshalaeposter is enough to keep the thread alivealas, we do not live in a wrath of the righteous world
>>721749481>the arueshalaeposter is enough to keep the thread aliveNo one wants to reply to that tranny.
>play story mode>even fight is resolved by just watching my characters attack the enemy in RTWP>no prebuffing>play unfair mode>even fight is resolved by just watching my characters attack the enemy in RTWP, and using dispel magic against bosses>after a one gorillion minutes prebuffing session (mods don't count)Sounds like a pretty shit game tbdesu
>>721733884>Larian Encounter DesignCall of duty tier design. Enemies just stand near explosive barrels and ledges. Also sometimes they forget about their "design" and there will just a bunch of enemies and it's such a slog to fight them all in turn based combat.
>>721745530It's the opposite for me because every time I enter an encounter in BG3 my mind just goes "bah, not half an hour on this shit again" when entering combat.Turn-based is unbearable for replaying value, thank god WoTR has RTwP.
>>721750106>bah, not half an hour on this shit againADHD zoomzoom
>>721750223This arguments makes no sense.>ADHDYou need to focus to play RTwP since the movements are mostly real time, while in Turn-Based you can just take your time doom-scrolling or whatever else they do between turns.>ZoomzoomWhat RTwP games do zoomzooms even play? Can you name a single one? BG3 is turn based and Zoomers love it, pokemon is turn-based and again zoomers love it.ADHD zoomzoom = Turn-based.
>>721740235thats incorrect, anoncanon KC is a human male lawful good paladin who went angel path
>>721749481every single board has some sort of anti-chinese mentally ill loon and at this point I'm starting to believe they're all just one person
>>721751095Astroturfing? On an anonymous image board? You must be joking...
>>721732407I perfer WOTR, because in BG3 there's not much incentive to do an evil playthrough, you don't even need to kill the Druids and Tieflings to get Minthara, only the Dark Urge really gains anything for the bigger evil choices, and one of the big rewards for being an evil bastard, the Slayer form, is pretty underpowered to downright useless.
>>721750678Close but it's actually a CN demon > legend bloodrager human male, angel is the second canon one
>>721732460>>721732491>>721744321Brainlets filtered.
>>721751808 and one of the big rewards for being an evil bastard, the Slayer form, is pretty underpowered to downright uselessjust like in BG2 then
>>721732460I could call you a fat mongoloid and my argument would be just as sound as yours.
>>721740235I still firmly believe that all souls she devoured should be stuck inside her own soul getting hypertortured or whatever doujin bad end goes on inside a succ and they all still get to be stuck inside her after she ascends, the multiverse kinda just forgot about them and they get stuck inside her for all eternity or maybe until they get soul absorbed or whatever sick shit they do with souls it's kinda murky and nonsensical as it is.They stop being tortured but they get to watch her saccharine soap opera drivel of a life and then her post-life of being diddled by the lesbo goddesses in Elysium or some other chaotic sick shit they do up there.
>>721741272what the fuck is going on with half elf pussy that men keep getting dragged into absolute shit because of them?>Shadowheart>Camellia>JaheiraIs there even a safe half elf pussy in the realm?
>>721749734>play explorer mode>turn based fights take fifteen minutes unless you use barrelmancy or exploit the shit AI>play honour mode >turn based fights take half an hour unless you use barrelmancy or exploit the shit AISounds like a worse game tbdesu
>>721752250Who hurt you?
>>721742330incel virgins only know about subservient mythical holy uguu matrimony, the concept of casual sex is akin to seeing a gibbering mouther on your kitchen late at night.
>>721732407Kingmaker
>>721752478I'm actually offended that you compare Jaheira with those two whores. At least bring up Octavia
>>721752643that demonic blue haired bitch, because I just came and I can't get my dick up again for more
>>721752729Casual sex is bad and any woman that does it is a whoreCasual sex while you're dating someone else is also bad, unless you'd be okay with the girl you're seeing getting herself gangbanged by random men every night... which you probably are
>>721752858aphantasia, projection
>>721751901sorry no youre wrong
>Camellia is evil!>Camellia is a psychopath!>Camellia kills and eats people!Yes, and? Do you have any actual arguments or just knee-jerk emotional responses?
>But muh brothelFunny how they never show the full dialogue.
>>721753693Let's leave it at equal canon, two alternative routes
>>721740235This but Angel Cleric.
>>721732846>>721733249I've played BG1 and 2, NWN 1 and 2, PS:T, Underrail, PoE1 and 2, Tyranny, DOS1 and 2, Kingmaker and WotR, before playing BG3. Yet I will say that BG3 is, as a game, better than all of these. No, it's not due to the cinematics. Yes, BG3 is accessible, which makes it great for new players, but is a great game nonetheless. No, it isn't due to the companions or writing either, as I'd argue BG3's writing is the weakest aspect of the game, tied with shit character building (somewhat due to using shit 5E). The game is good thanks to great game designers.
>>721754537What does Camellia do after killing?
>>721733349Liking Arue is the biggest indicator of being retarded. She's discount Fall-From-Grace. Camellia is at least interesting. Arue is great if you've never touched a woman, much less talked to one.
>>721754251She sees people as a means to an end instead of seeing them as an ends in themselves.When you act according to a maxim, you have to act with respect to some end. That's just what purposive action is. To will an end is to treat it as valuable. Notice, then, that you will many ends. But why do you will them? For themselves? No, you will them because they're better for you. Everything you value, you value because you are an end in yourself. That's why you ultimately do anything.But there's nothing particularly special about you (or, more accurately, the humanity in you). Your humanity is the same as my humanity is the same as any other person's humanity, because it's all a consequence of our rational nature. So, to even will maxims in the first place, you must accept that humans are ends in themselves, otherwise you can't explain what reason you have to do anything. So just as the only reason you have for willing any maxim is your own value as an end in yourself, the only rational way to will any maxim is to treat humanity everywhere as an end in itself.
>>721733176>a druid polymorphing into a child is not child abusethat's true though
>>721754772consensual sex with me
>>721742330>And lastly, I love Camellia so much, that even if it was straight up cheating, I would look past it.I'm glad owlcucks revealed their true face
>>721754917>consensual sexTrue>with meoooooof.... sorry but that's wrong... you got it half right
>>721732638>And the balance is ass with statbloat.The game's actually a very rare example of a well balanced rpg. The combat is challenging and fun from the beginning to end, when in most rpgs it becomes mindlessly easy a couple of levels in, as soon as your options open up.It's quite a feat especially considering Pathfinder is a fucking mess and becomes a complete joke with PnP stats at level 5 at the latest.But wait there's more! It's not overbalanced like some Josh Sawyer faggot shit, you can absolutely create fun classes and use incredibly powerful abilities that obliterate entire screens full of enemies. But you won't trivialize the game without even trying to.Goddamnit, the more I think about it the more I'm reminded of what a masterclass WOTR is. It's a pity they couldn't achieve a similar balance in Rogue Trader (that game becomes a cakewalk a few levels in like 99% of rpgs)
>>721755596Is this a joke? The game completely drops off in difficulty after act 1. The main and most popular mythic path literally breaks the entire thing in half just by merging spellbooks
>>721749481>the arurshalaeposter is enough to keep the thread alive huh? is he that powerful?
>>721754932>owlcucksPlease don't lump Camcucks with all of us
I'm just going to put this here.
>>721741272>>721742330Based Camellia enjoyer. She was the only interesting romance in the whole game. Actually something new, instead of the rehashed trash that usually is in these games.
>>721754847>She's discount Fall-From-GraceShe has nothing to do with Grace outside of their race, stop pretending to know what you're talking about, if you're going to shitpost like this at least call her discount Leliana, which she actually ripped off >Camellia is at least interestingCamellia is a lot like Marazhai from Rogue Trader, one-dimensional and uninteresting unless you specifically have a boner for crazy murderers, but their fans swear by God that they're actually the bestest characters ever made and you're missing out if you don't recruit them (you're not). So much so in fact that Camfags even have to make up some kind of meta commentary about her "subverting expectations" because you can't fix her, even though her romance isn't about fixing her at all. Hell you have to enable her murders to do so >Arue is great if you've never touched a woman, much less talked to onePlease stop projecting
>>721756896Why she's not Fall-From-Grace then?
>>721732407Why do people compare BG3 to WotR instead of Rogue Trader, considering they were released in the same year? Is it because they're fantasy?Anyway, Rogue Trader is better than both.
>>721757564because you can have a rogue trader thread get to 500 posts, it doesn't need padding to help it survive the trip
I'm a human Fighter myself
>>721732407there is no debate
>>721757229Because they have nothing to do with each other outside of being good (or neutral, whatever) succubi, can you read? Their personalities are vastly different and their stories are vastly different (Grace technically doesn't even have a story because PST doesn't have proper companion quests). Hell, Grace hasn't even killed an innocent, so she has nothing to atone for
>>721757753You sure? >>721687983
>>721757564because the dnd edition wars never died3.5 was always wronged by 5e and the invasion 5e has brought into the ttrpg space as a whole is a catastrophe. BG3 is an extension of that
>>721758550reload the thread and pretend it didn't happen, you're making me, and my opinions pulled out of my ass, look bad
>>721758718If it makes you feel any better it is true that RT threads don't have not even half as many ragebait threads as Pathfinder does
>>721732407Play both. The experience each provides is quintessentially different and both are worth playing.
I like wrath purely because it gives you the ability to become a giga chad of unparalleled proportions and really awesome roleplay that bg3 couldn’t hope to match. Becoming a lich and seeing the town turn into a zombified horror show was so kino. Killing ember made me sad, but the nigger paladin getting exploded made it worth it. The text from the lich ritual was so well written. The “absence” of a soul and the feeling of removing your humanity followed by the ziggurat storyline was so cool. I enjoyed bg3 but it basically just felt like you were a lgbt misfit squad instead of a power fantasy self insert surrounded by interesting characters. It was like babysitting theatre kids.
>>721759207What a weird thing to praise, as if BG3 didn't also let you kill whoever you want (and unlike Pathfinder, you can do it at any time) and didn't give you endings where you take over everything
>>721732407>The eternal debateI like both but i like BG3 more.
>>721740709>(Obscure 1960s soul music)AI is not there yet
>>721746992>It's a numbers game.>anon discover how computer workyeah, everything is 1 and 0, every single game is number game
>>721759207>wrath>really awesome roleplay lol
>>721759291none of the BG3 endings feel earned or are built up to properlyso much of it is just a choice at the final cutscene and nothing more
>>721760264>none of the BG3 endings feel earned or are built up to properlyAnd you suddenly going "okay now everyone dies and Drezen is filled with undead" is?
>>721759961Yes.
>>721732407Top is an excellently crafted videogame that's actually fun to play and experiment with.Bottom is mediocre trash fellated by contrarians, full of graphomaniac outbursts that said contrarians call """good writing"""; tedious, half-baked mechanics; no roleplaying and no gameplay.
>>721760349good thing that doesnt happen, because youre working with Zacharius for a long time before hand
>>721760917And in BG3 you're working on collecting the stones to take over the Netherbrain, you can even plan to take over the city with Minthara and/or Astarion
>>721759207>really awesome roleplay that bg3 couldn’t hope to matchWhat the fuck are you on about, spastic? Wotr doesn't even acknowledge your race and class in dialogue.
>>721761215Yes it doesa few timesat the beginning of the game
>>721761239No, it doesn't.
The combat in PF sucks so muchIt has NO impact and you whiff like 70% of all attacks, as do the enemiesIts just so fucking unsatisfying, how do I make it feel satisfying?Rogue trader didnt have this issue, the shots feel nice and meaty
>>721761328Yes it does, and I'm agreeing with you retard, the game barely acknowledges them. Emphasis on barely, because it does happen and the vast majority of it is at the beginning of the game. And in the classes' case they're all classified in groups, like, paladins or barbarians get the exact same reactivity when talking to Horgus in the prologue (he says that you look like a strong fighter)
>>721761480I have noticed PC's race mentioned exactly once throughout my 2 playthorughs - when I was playing an aasimar and asked an aasimar priest in Drezen if she's aasimar, to which she replied "heh yes just liek u".>Horgus in the prologue (he says that you look like a strong fighter)If that's true then that escaped me, but it's so generic I wouldn't call that reactivity.
>>721761470>you whiff like 70% of all attackskill issue
>>721762195There's zero player skill involved in pathfinder's gameplay.
>>721762046>I don't pay attention so it doesn't existThere is a guide on reddit detailing every piece of reactivity in the game
>>721762901If I need to "pay attention" to notice reactivity, then it's not reactivity.When I go talk to goblins as a drow in BG3 and they shit their pants because of my race, I see it immediately. There's nothing like that in wotr.
>>721761470>the shots feel nice and meatyBro it's an rpg not an action game
>>721764082Okay and?That excuses bad sound and visual effects how?
>>721764249They're not bad though, are you really going to tell me you don't like it when something explodes in a pile of gore or when you dismember enemies?
>>721739894Lann can join later, you need to buckbreak Wenduag from the start or it doesnt work
>>721764863No you don't, Wendog can join later too, all you have to do is pick the evil option and then spare her
>>721764575I like it when I hurl a fireball and it actually explodes and burns instead of sounding like I just hit it with a deflated dodgeball
>>721756270This is the most poltarded list Ive ever seen. Only thing Edgier is the Elf you put last, which though correctly positioned Im sure has more to do with his homosexuality and less to do with your shared personality.
>wotr>every battle is just a flat surfacejrpg tier
>>721765352Owlcat is finally fixing that with Dark Heresy
I hope the last RT dlc will add a cute girl with cute romance like fishAnd not then completely cuck us out of a nice ending like they do with fishBig happy family correction is needed
>>721765419>And not then completely cuck us out of a nice ending like they do with fishCassia has a happy ending
Arue?
>>721765539I cant put 5 babies in her so its bad
>>721766345I agree it's bad that we can't do that but that doesn't make it a bad ending. Owlcat didn't include children in endings until a dance of masks came out, and that DLC came out after RT
>>721766578Which is kinda odd considering how much RT is about the whole heir/successor shitDoesnt Ab literally tell you at one point that you need an heir?Anyway, hopes for the next dlc companion?
>>721766747>Anyway, hopes for the next dlc companion?Anything that's not yet another dogmatic human or eldar
>>721766802uhhAbhuman or Tau?
>>721766983I'd rather have the tau girl with massive tits for dark heresy
>>721765391So mad Pathfinders dead. Why are these IP D&D companies such short sighted cocksuckers.
>>721767030There will be no taucows in dark heresyOur cups will remain forever dry, devoid of milk
>>721767110They made two Pathfinder games and the second one had so much fucking DLC you could combine it all together and make a third game, no wonder they're fucking tired of it
I am so tired of the shitposting. Now time for some truths.>Pathfinder good. >Baldur's Gate 3 good. >Disco Elysium good. >Jagged Alliance 3 good. >Cyberpunk 2077 good. >CO:Expedition 33 good.>Tyranny good.Some more truths.>Starfield bad.>Avowed bad.>DragonAge:The Veilguard bad./thread
>>721766032?
>>721732407top>level cap 12>no retarded fun high level spellsbelow>maximum power fantasy>too much retarded high level spells>everything fucking lags on real time, holy fucking shit stop casting high level spells and feats
>>721767935Tyranny? More like Tranny heh.
>>721768060Arue!
>>721768141>>level cap 12>>no retarded fun high level spellsMods fix this btw
>>721767340I hear they stopped becuase something went wrong with Kingmaker. They haven't seen a dime in a decade.Owlcuck said fuck you and went Warhammer.No idea what happened with WotC and Larian but Sven says somthing did, so that's why he dropped all DLCs and future projects.
>>721767935>Tyranny good.Nah
>>721768326What happened with Kingmaker had nothing to do with Paizo, they lost the rights to it and all the Kingmaker sales ever since have gone to their previous publisher
>>721768408Tyranny is Obsidian's last good game. Anyone who says otherwise is a faggot.
>>721746547She's perfect.It's gay af that she can't be romanced.
>>721733805>BG3 is a culture war psyop, while WotR is an actual gamewotr has just as much culture war retardation as bg3
Best girl?Wenduag, of course.
>>721768624Nah. I had to check. Outerworlds is their only good game. Studios not for me, and Ive tried.
>>721767270I know and it sucks, DH hasn't delivered on the girls department yet
>>721742905>The one that pulls a Valerie and doesn't have kids with youDoesn't Galfrey relinquish the throne just to be with you? I don't think the ending needs to explicitly say you have kids for it to be implied, if you wish.I mean you do fuck after all.
>>721732407I love WOTR for the roleplaying opportunities it gives you and how unique the companions are. WOTR is a very unique experience and there's few if any games that become such a power fantasy by the end. Baldur's Gate 3 adventure is relatively self-contained and nothing earth shattering happens over its course. Baldur's Gate 3 however is simply the superior game. The combat is infinitely better than WOTR and is fine tuned for vidya and not a simple 1:1 copy of the tabletop. The writing is better and while it doesn't have the breadth of the content of WOTR, what content it has is explored more deeply.WOTR is just a Pathfinder tabletop adventure in vidya form while BG3 is proper vidya first, D&D adventure second. Of course BG3 is going to be better but I still played WOTR half a dozen times and if you think either of these games are bad, you are retarded.
>>721769876you think BG3 is better because it's a less annoying game to interact with. reading blacks of tiny text in wotr is more annoying than having some VA deliver gradeschool-level dialogue to your face. combat is the same. you have to do all this annoying buffing/debuffing shit while trying to deal with the constant pausing/unpausing and units moving in all directions and juggling a billion abilities that mostly do nothing and being frustrated by how obtuse e.g., character actions are. anyway, you think it's better because it's more comfortable to interact with.I can't think of any other reason why someone would say that BG3's writing or combat is better, because both of those aspects of it are shit. but they're so extremely simplistic and uncomplicated to interact with that it isn't as annoying as WOTR. and nobody got toBG3 act 3 or finished the game, so they never got to the part where the game starts pissing you off with all its bugs
>>721732407Not a debate at all. BG3 is the better game by far.
>>721770342NTA but the writing is objectively 100%. Thats the games strength, why it won GOTY. The reason a gazillion normies played a fucking D&D game is the dialogue was that well done. It and graphics are the two things I completely give BG3. Just like how story goes 100% to WotR.Combat they each gave their strengths and weaknesses.
>>721770342The combat is very much better, not like it's hard being better than Pathfinder
>>721770829Nta but Pathfinder 1e is literally a more refined version of DnD 3.5's system. You actually claim to prefer 5e over 3.5e and that the former is better?
>>721771001I couldn't care less about the rules, I like the combat more, never played a tabletop game in my life, never will
>>721771052Oh, okay so you're an rpg tourist casual got it.
>>721771240/tg/ is the other way
>>721771001>more refinedThat was the intention anyway. All in all, now that both games are "complete" (legacy), it's a wash really.
>>721754251She stays with you in the ascension ending, right?
>>721771817No, she gets bored of her powers and leaves, as if her regular ending wasn't cucked enough
>>721754251honestly? based
>>721762303>he doesn't consider planning a skillIt shows in how your life led here
>>721732407There's no debateBG3 is magnitudes better than owlslop
WOTR is not even the best owlcat game, Kingmaker and RogueTrader mogs it
>>721772541Planning what, retard? I can count the encounters that have different angles of approach on two hands, and those where taking a different angle gives you an advandage on one.
>>721774309Sorry I didn't realize you were one of those weirdos who used the auto-level option
>>721774585If all of your "planning" is inside the leveling system (where you pick 1 decent trait out of 500 useless ones), then you have a shit game. It's barely a game, even, because there's no GAMEplay. You have to have brain damage to enjoy owlshat's pathfinder.
>>7217324072E&3E Wizard > PF&5E Wizard
>>721770342The difference is BG3 only starts pissing you off when the bugs, which are now mostly fixed or minimized, start ruining the experience. Typically something that only happens in Act 3 because it suddenly gives you so much freedom that the game's flag system eats shit and dies. WOTR started pissing me off at the first optional side boss and I noped out when I realized it was going to be expecting me to do this nonsense every time it wanted to do a "Tough Fight".The only time complexity is good in a CRPG is at character creation and dialogue choices.
>>721733884The important context is the your character and the actions they can take. You can MacGyver together a string of explosions in Larian games and throw barrels and it makes you feel very clever. In Owlcat games that 75 AC immunity to everything means nothing in the face of your Mythic Fighter with a +95 to hit 10 times in one turn or a Lich's ability to bypass immunity and cause everyone to spontaneously explode, and it makes you feel powerful. Both have pros and cons
>>721773507Kingmaker is only better because it's adventure isn't designed to make half of your damage options unusable by late game. Just one or two of them depending on whatever you're fighting.
>>721775679BG3 can make you feel powerful just fine. Too powerful in fact because the game is too easy.
>>721775223Fuck yeah.
Owlcat is still stuck in the early 90s/mid 2000s developer mindset: >gamepad controls for PC games? For CRPGs, no less? How utterly absurd! Like getting involved in a land war in Asia! Inconceivable!
BG3 is better for the simple reason that Larian actually values roleplaying and player freedom. In WotR, I can't kill the nigger paladin and the troon rogue at the start. Yes, I know you get to do it after you return to drezen on demon. Owlcat games are railroaded theme park games, with developer pre-approved options to interact with the world, along with developer approved ways to do so. Owlcat hasn't understood that the future is about maximizing player agency. Swen understood it in 2011 with Original Sin 1. When will those dumb Russians understand it as well?
>>721769876I don't really like the awkward way characters all follow one person instead of being able to click drag select all of them at once, that's my only real gripe with it (I mod all the brown gay shit out)
>>721732407Neither let me romance a cute Dwarf/Gnome/Halfling/Goblin girl so both are objectively trash.
>>721777104To be fair, Owlcat is literally just lifting plotlines and characters directly from Pathfinder, unlike Baldur's Gate.
>>721775924For me, it's rtwp combatIt took them too long to drop it in favor of turn based, but even then they still do a lot of fillter fights based on rtwp inertiartwp was a mistake of sick brain in 90s
>>721777723The whole thing with CRPGs where it focuses on just your (often blank slate) PC or at best one specific member of your party as opposed to conversations and similar interactions being centered around your entire party has always irked me. Like I'm having a casual conversation and a Religion check comes up, why can't my Cleric just tap in so I can get that information. Instead I'm forced to either go on with my life never knowing what that check was for or if it was important or I start save scumming. BG3 in particular made me want this. I don't like playing as Tav unless I'm playing a pretty blatant and predictable archetype like a Paladin, Durge is pretty good, but Origins feel like so much of their character is removed that I don't really get the point.
>>721769876>how unique the companions areCompanions in BG3 were shit. Literal donut steel OCPathfinder has much better written companions, because they were more or less people you expect to find at lvl2-lvl4>>721770342To be fair, release pathfinder also was bugged with softlocks for some mythics, but at least game performance wasn't shit as act 3
>>721777935nah, they add their own spins on it, like retconning resurrection mechanics for the new areelu back story, making galfrey a bitch, killing off aravashnial or making lebeda a bastard for some reason
>>721778356To be fair, that feels like a side effect of CRPGs in general, but Owlcat in particular being overly inflated with nonsense, meaningless fights and their focus being more so on number crunching as opposed to an actual tactical element to fights that Larian prefers.
>>721778549Doesn't wotr do this?
>>721732407pathfinder is slow and boring
>>721732407Pathfinder sucks
>>721779024Sort of, mechanically they allow you to use your companions, but story-wise it's all your character
>>721778673They weren't shit, they were aping Dragon Age Origins and Mass Effect because this is what appeals to most people. You will never see actually unique companions like Regill or Camille in a mainstream game. Good thing nobody forces you to play one or the other and you can play both.
>>721782110>unique companions like Regill or CamilleThere is nothing unique about either of them, one just a generic CE villain, the other one is the standard ruthless lawtard
