>>721741679
He got there as a baby
And didn't even have a fairy until the game starts
They had to have known

>>721741848
When you look at it like that you kind of get Mido's remorse for being a dick to him when he was still a kid. Assuming everyone in Kokiri Forest have lived long lives and simply didn't grow physically older Mido being cruel to the outsider who is literally a child when he should know better is a realistic realization.

>>721741679
>>721741848
they 100% knew link was not kokiri. he had no fairy. deku tree sent navi to him and navi stayed because the deku tree died.

>>721741679
She says in this very scene she knew he would leave the forest one day because he was different from them. Mido says over and over that he would never accept Link as one of them. Even Link himself was probably aware he wasn't like the others.
The only ones who thought Link was Kokori until the reveal were players who were not paying much attention.

>>721742609
>kokori
*Kokiri

>>721741679
>Saria wears shorts cause Nintendo knew players would try to look up a skirt

>>721741679
One; they never treated him like he was one of them because he didn't have a fairy.
Two; They didn't kick him out, he ran off. If he stayed then they probably would've kicked him out not because he wasn't one of them but because Mido told everybody that it's his fault that the Deku Tree died.
Saria was the only one that held up for him and didn't bully him for not having a fairy.

>>721743023
He doesn't have a fairy because Link is a fairy.

>>721743559
Hylian, actually.

>>721743559
>>721744060
Gay, actually.

Look on the not so bright side. They all regretted it seven years down the line.

>>721742609
>thought Link was Kokiri until the reveal
What gets me is the fact that the reveal doesn't happen after Link pulls the Master Sword, it's after the Forest Temple when the Deku Tree Sprout goes
>YOU'RE ADOPTED MIDO WAS RIGHT FUCK OFF and be sure to save hyrule i guess HYLIAN
I swear there was an implication somewhere that the Kokiri's 'immortality' was just an indefinite lifespan maintained by constant exposure to forest magic, and leaving would cause them to start aging. I SWEAR that's why the revelation doesn't happen immediately after adult Link is revealed, it was supposed to be (initially) framed as an "oh shit he's been out of the forest too long" thing. These things being taken for granted for so long have muddied the waters.

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>weird thing that looks like an oversized girl comes to your village
>she brings an even weirder tiny thing called a "baby" with her
>Deku tree orders the village to take care of this "baby" and as the other figure fucks off back to the outside world
>this "baby" changes over the years, eventually resembling one of you
>the kid goes off to an adventure or something
>years later, an oversized boy comes to your village, wearing your traditional clothing and somehow aware of all your secrets
>he even sorta resembles that kid who went off to an adventure years ago
>no one in the village puts two and two together

>>721749130
they're kind of stupid

Yeah you dumb shit that's what a fucking plot catalyst is.

>>721749130
>as the other figure fucks off back to the outside world
Link's mom was running from the Hyrulean Civil War and she got fatally wounded in the process. She was using her dying breaths to beg the Deku Tree to take Link in, and she passed away shortly after he allowed it.
And that wooden dickbag only said yes because he sensed plot importance radiating off Link, he would've let the forest consume a literal baby otherwise.

>>721747451
Link was always supposed to be Hylian. The Kokiri, just like Link's Uncle or the people of Ordon village, were simply the She-wolves for the blonde Romulus.
It makes for a consistent formula, but kinda sucks if you get attached to the variables, since they don't matter much.

>>721750318
>And that wooden dickbag only said yes because he sensed plot importance radiating off Link, he would've let the forest consume a literal baby otherwise.
Now that I think about it, the only people who actually liked Link were turned into Sages which basically means they're dead as far as he is concerned. Everyone else just saw him as a plot device and abandoned him after he served his purposed.
No wonder he fucked off to Termina.

>>721751946
>The Kokiri, just like Link's Uncle or the people of Ordon village, were simply the She-wolves for the blonde Romulus.

Or the Egyptians for the mute Moses!

>>721741848
This. It's the entire reason he was bullied in the first place. Zoomers' in ability to comprehend basic plot points is fucking insane.

>>721742123
>mido was an adult the entire time
Shit man, now I'm imagining a midget bullying a baby and it's pretty good. Thanks.

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>>721753113
And Saria is even older than Mido.

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>>721753091
Nuh uh I'm zoomer and I feel like 90% of Zeldafags don't actually play the games.
Wind Waker is the ultimate litmus test for whether you can into subtext because they basically spoonfed the point to the player and somehow next to no one got it. If Ganondorf's speech makes you think he had a point/is 'le morally gray' then you are an abject retard that needs to be euthanized. If you think King Daphnes was right to drown Hyrule, double euthanasia.

At least Link died and didn't become a gay korok 40.000 years later

>>721752915
Please don't bring Jewish folklore into this. Thank you.

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>>721752508
There's Malon, but she's pretty much the only exception to the rule off the top of my head. It's not much wonder if he did ultimately settle down with her in the TP timeline since she's the only one he could've met before the fateful day with Zelda and the only one to probably give a shit for him without plot convenience.

How was Malon able to bring a cow to his house

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>>721754598
Asked one of her brothers for help. They're pretty Super, don'tcha know, just ask Talon.

>>721741848
>He got there as a baby
If that's true, who breastfed him?

>>721754061
Picture Link parting Lake Hylia...

>>721754921
Mido

>>721754921
A deku shrub

>>721753368
>from mom, to big sis, to best friend, to gf, to wife
aaaand I'm hard

>>721754921
my peanus weanus of course :D

>>721754921
Probably raised on literal nut milk. I don't remember seeing any cows in that part of the world, although there might be one in the lost woods.

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>>721756045
Would (You) drink from a flashbang?

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>>721756573
oui oui

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>>721749130
It's also telling how big Link is compared to them as an adult.

>>721754921
They have tools so it's implied that they have crops. Maybe a few vegetables grinded in a paste until he got old enough to eat solid food. The lost woods probably has a few fruit trees too.

>>721741679
The sad part is that nobody recognizes him as an adult besides Saria, all the more reason he can't really go back to being a Kokiri

>>721754921
You did

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So uh... if Link arrived as a baby whose parents died immediately, which Kokiri actually "raised" Link as in changed his diapers every few hours, nursed him, changed him, etc? The Great Deku Tree has no arms so it wasn't him...

>>721757204
Saria and one of the twin girls from time to time. The game outright hints at it with her being so friendly towards you from the start. Mido too against his will in order to kiss up to Saria, it takes a village to raise a child, etc.

How are kokiri born? Do they come out that child size, fully coherent, already toilet trained? How do new kokiri even enter the world? When they are born are they the size of a mouse?

So many questions

>>721757791
The Deku Tree just poofs them into existence.

Has a game ever allowed you to actually spend a significant amount of time witnessing the protag grow up in and interacting with the village he's been in for most of his young life before being forced to leave it? Seems like they all only allow you to have a short lived experience in that village before shit happens, kinda reducing the bittersweet experience it could have been.

Aren't the Koroks just Kokiri in their true forms? They're forest spirits that take on the form of human children around each other and don't typically appear to humans during Ocarina of Time. Link was a human baby whom they raised. But they knew he belonged in the world of man and would have to one day leave them. Mido rejects Link for not being one of them and for being the object of Saria's favoritism. These forest spirits don't age like humans do, they can take on an appearance of eternal youth.

This seems like a very standard premise for a fairy tale, I've seen it in other stories.

>>721757994
If a game tried to do that people would just shit on it for having a long intro. Which is okay because sometimes I just want to play the fucking game and not help Farmer McRetard wrangle goats.

>>721757791
>How are kokiri born?

They aren't? The Kokiri are effectively immortal and eternally prepubescent, they live in the most peaceful region of Hyrule, which happens to be a lush, fertile forest rich with natural resources, and up until the events of the game, they're protected by the Great Deku Tree, who is something like a demigod, or a divine servant at least. Simply put: they never needed to compensate for the losses of tribe members, and they clearly already had enough members for a functioning society, albeit a small and secluded one. They have evolved past the need for reproduction, and being eternal children, they have no knowledge of sex anyway.

>>721757891
Or maybe they just grow from his branches. He's a tree, after all.

>>721757791
Someone had a theory I liked that the Kokiri are the spirits of children who perished in the Lost Woods and resurrected as immortal kids by the Deku Tree.

>>721742985
The other girls did wear skirts, including the redhead who dangles her legs off the ledge

Saria wore shorts because she's Link's perky tomboy childhood friend

>>721754598
Why didn't she park it in his yard though where at least it would have grass

>>721754598
She's farm strong.

Link's life kind of sucks. Can't live in the only place he called home because he's just a mortal yet doesn't have any exposure to the life of the people he belongs to because he lived such a sheltered existence prior to leaving Kokiri Forest so he has nothing to assimilate into.

>>721758656
She took it all the way to Kokiri Forest, she didn't come this far to leave it outside.

>>721757891
>>721758317
>>721758438
So, in fairness to mido, a tiny screeching human that shits all the time is a completely new concept and he was perfectly right to hate it the same way we would all hate a poodle or a child from africa.

>>721756045
Cow milk doesn't work on infants.

>>721757204
They just swished him around in that little river.

>>721758794
Remember the "you could get used to this" scene from Muh Jora? It wasn't referring to the faceful of freckled ginger boobs that honk like bike horns when you squeeze them, it was referring to basic human affection. He never knew his mother, he can't remember being hugged by her. The Kokiri probably tried, but they have no parental instincts. The only other hug Link was ever offered was a Goron hug, which... well, you've most likely seen how he reacted. That hug Cremia gave him was the first genuinely warm and loving hug he can remember getting in his entire life. Why do you think that this Link only expresses the emotions of shock and horror? Those are the only emotions he knows how to express! Haven't you noticed that the most expressive Links are the ones with the happiest backgrounds?

>>721759024
Or, like, any kid who just became an older sibling and resents the baby for sucking up their parents' attention.

>>721758794
>bullied or disrespected by other Kokiri who never grow or change in any notable way, besides Saria being his support
>gets forced out of the forest the day he finally gets a fairy because a great evil has arrived and killed his major provider beyond Saria
>forced to trek across the land to fight monsters and evil, including swimming through the sewers and trudging through the bloody excrement of Hyrule in a literal sense
>the moment anyone reputable or major takes note of him, it's typically to gift him a macguffin or tell him to go get one; even Zelda literally just tells him about her prophecy dreams and then tells him to go save the land
>get sent to the future, trapped in your own mind in another dimension for ten years
>huge death toll, Hyrule is filled with evil, even safe places have it seeping in, and the few people that helped you with the macguffin stuff are about to die or may as well be dead once their Sage duties work through depending on interpretation, including Saria
>get warped back to your childhood days to live them out again and stop Ganondorf before he even causes all of this shit
>.. but your fairy leaves, so besides the experiences and trauma you're stuck with for the rest of your life, you're effectively right back at square one; a great, legendary hero and only two people know it with nothing to show for it, so you can't even go back home to the Kokiri Forest probably, either

>>721756045
He drank Saria's cum? Lucky.

>>721759416
That's why Wind Waker Link is one of my favorite takes on the character.

He may not have parents, per se, but he's the first Link who actually had a real family. LttP had an uncle but you barely see him before he croaks in the passages below Hyrule Castle.

But Wind Waker's Link has a home to come to and people there who he grew up with in the same household. When you heal his grandma with a fairy she says "I should be the one caring for you," which is totally unlike any other hero of the past (or even afterwards). Rescuing his sister feels really meaningful when you look at it like this and how pretty much no other Link could ever say they had something like that to fight for.

>>721754921
Deku's Deez

>>721759145
there's fairies and a magic talking tree and the milk fixes you after you've been mauled by weird monsters, set on fire, and poisoned, don't talk to me about the properties of this cow milk ok buddy boy

ok slim jim

alright

>>721742609
>Even Link himself was probably aware he wasn't like the others.

I could see that but he also has no frame of reference for what he is in spite of that since he was subject to the superstition of leaving the forest.

Must be confusing not even being able to make sense of your own existence. You're not one of the people you live among but you've also never seen anyone you could relate to otherwise (or even know that such beings are out there at all).

>>721741679
Everyone knew, only Middo gave a shit. The rest were happy to have him around. Saria wanted his shota cock.

>>721742985
They knew we wanted a peek at best girl

>>721761357
Is that true? Because there is that whole "never had a fairy" thing. That seemed to be a rather important factor in his characterization prior to the game.

This also creates a situation where, if he is being ostracized for his difference, it's totally unfair for eternal creatures who should have many more years on Link (surely if the other Kokiri knew he's not one of them then that's no reason to crap on him for not having a fairy and anyone who does is being a willful dick - i.e. Mido).

The more I dwell on this the more I feel like Link deserved to know the truth about who he was before he ever left the forest. Nothing about the Kokiri's existence applies to him and the Great Deku Tree not simply sitting him down and saying "yes, you are not one of us and that's okay, we still want you living here even you lack what makes us unique" probably gave him a worse childhood than he would have had otherwise.

>>721742609
/thread

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>>721754921
Saria breastfed him of course. That's why Mido was sooo assmad.

Link seemed fine with murdering a dark skin man

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>>721762780
>man
Ah yes, the all female race just happened to birth a male this time.
Ganondorf is FTM and Link should have dicked the mental illness out of her.

I have a question, years and years of timeline wars I always thought there 2 timelines one where Link is sent back aka the true ending of the game and another where the story continues after Link is sent back but now I hear there's yet another one where Link and Zelda are killed by Ganon instead, where'd this timeline come from? It doesn't sound very Nintendo like to make games following a scenario where the protagonists fucking failed and died, thatd be like pokemon continuing after Red loses to Team Rocket or Mario contiuning after Mario and Luigi get killed by Bowser

>>721749130
>Toxotranny
>retard
Many such cases.

>>721759416
That is really sad. Not even Zelda gave him a hug before he went to Termina. That only strengthens the theory of Malon being his wife in the future, he had more time to train Epona with her than he did spending time with Zelda and I avoid shipping completely.

>>721762780
He murdered two elderly dark skinned women too.

>>721764614
Only Link died. If you look into the backstory of A Link to the Past there is something called "The Imprisoning War" that is mentioned.

When they finally spelled out there are three timelines and one of them is resulting from Link not surviving his final encounter with Ganondorf it gives context to this because that was the solution that had to be employed to get rid of Ganondorf after he slew the Hero of Time (simply sealing him in the tainted Sacred Realm).

Only one place it could come from.
https://litter.catbox.moe/2vtlvjd98i7ifrn8.jpg
Slop warning.

>>721762394
Deku Tree only let Link live among them because he was destined to destroy the great evil that was Ganon. It genuinely did not care for the feelings of what it saw as a mere weapon.

>>721765240
Man, that world didn't deserve a hero if the one chosen as the gods' hero had to lead such a sad and unfair existence.

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What I want to know is, how can deku seeds and deku nuts be different things? That doesn't make any sense.

>>721765730
a seed would be inside the nut, you're literally pulling the seeds from the earth or out of nuts to turn into more precise and compact projectiles versus how the nuts pop and explode as larger objects.

>>721765240
The Deku Tree probably meant to tell him when he sent him out be didn't expect to get fucking killed.

>>721749130
the kokiri are both
>fae
>children
they're not built to think logically

>>721765992
Nah, that's bullshit. Link deserved to know far before that happened. He was already growing up feeling displaced and could clearly tell something about him and the other Kokiri wasn't adding up.

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>>721758020
>Koroks just Kokiri
yeah
>in their true forms
that's debatable, but possible. they're forest spirits, ultimately.

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I always wonder if the OoT Link and Zelda are siblings. His mom is fatally wounded in the civil war, implying either she was collateral damage, or she got specifically targeted, and we know the Hyrule Royal Family had some serious dirty laundry and a ton of deaths buried away. Then the two of them have the same eye and hair colors, same height when grown up, not to mention the fact that the two are pretty much the same age as far as the game is concerned. Meanwhile only the King of Hyrule is ever mentioned, never a queen or Zelda's parents.

>>721757994
fallout 3's intro is an hour long abridge version of this

>>721741679
>returns 7 years later to nutte in Saria butte

>>721754921
They fed him worms

>>721767113
And everyone hates it enough to mod it out when replaying.

>>721757994
Twilight Princess did this and most people hated it. I liked it

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The Kokiri are just forest spirits that the Deku tree willed into human child guise so that Link would have some form of social element as he grew up. The fact he still didn't fit in with them and got bullied for being fairyless is because they're still fae-adjacent and thus naturally assholes.

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>>721758794
It's probably one of the most interesting aspects of Hero of Time Link compared to other Links in the franchise.
His life is pretty damn miserable and devoid of long-term emotional connections to other people, all in addition to getting flung around time over and over.
It's just something you never notice until you sit back and think about it

>>721766876
I don't think Impa hints at this at all, she would be well aware Zelda would be missing a sibling. They both have blue eyes and blonde hair because they, as hero characters, are best visually represented as racially pure. And no I'm not joking, that's also why ganondorf is a sickly brown.

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>>721758438
>spirits of children who perished in the Lost Woods
The same fucked up fae voodoo that turns people into Stalfos turns kids into Skull Kids.

>>721754921
Saria's cock

>>721757204
It's a designated shitting woods.

>>721758020
The Korok form was created for ease of mobility over the Great Sea. Whether or not it's their true form is never mentioned.
BOTK just kept them that way because Aonuma has some sort of complex over WW and the Japanese authority to pull strings.

>>721759416
>That hug Cremia gave him was the first genuinely warm and loving hug he can remember getting in his entire life.
Which 99% of the players didn't even know exist because you have to pull a Bill Murray from the Groundhog Day movie where you do everything in every single cycle for some reason.

>>721765609
It gets even more fucked up when you consider "the future" is actually a parallel dimension "tainted" by Ganon, which took the form of a Hyrule he had conquered for seven years. This "corrupt" realm doesn't seem to affect the "past" you came from at all, so the whole thing isn't even about saving the world, it's about saving the Royal Family and Friends' personal Garden of Eden.
Either Nintendo were going for a subtle cynical subversion of a fairly tale, or they didn't know what the fuck they were doing.

>>721767670
There's just enough clues dropped throughout to draw inferences that don't require a large leap to demonstrate how generally unfair everything has been to him (plus if you examine each outcome of the game the long term effect on Hyrule has never been positive).

Ocarina of Time is very much the middle chapter of a saga that wasn't fully written until WW, TP, and LoZ1 and at the center of it all was some poor kid who was born into a shitty childhood, got yanked from what little he could look back on fondly to save the kingdom, and ended up back at square one but now with tons of emotional baggage he carried back from the life he missed out on by being thrown back to the start.

>>721768649
And that future I'd love to see in a future game. One immediately after Link goes back to the present, leading up to a timeskip where a new Link is born in Kakariko or the castle town.

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>>721764614
This image is a tl;dr for what I'm about to write.
>entire series up to mm was fairly straightforward
>original timeline ("Adult Timeline") -> imprisoning war -> alttp, rest of the series, ends with ganon dead for real after z2
>new timeline ("Child Timeline") (formed at the end of oot) -> mm, a world without ganon
>oracles make a small stumble by cramming themselves some place inside the original timeline but ultimately disturb very little
>biggest plot hole at this point is the lack of the imprisoning war
>wind waker happens
>the entire adult timeline gets hijacked
>every single pre-oot game (and the oracles) is severed from continuity
>twilight princess happens
>the world without ganon has ganon happen anyways because PLEASE COME BACK LOOK WE'RE DOING OOT AGAIN WE'RE DOING THE GANONDORF SWORDFIGHT FROM SPACEWORLD PLEASE JUST COME BACK
>retarded zelda fans are retarded, make convoluted fan timelines that split games that are clearly connected
>zelda timeline receives its notorious reputation
>nintendo decides to cash in on lorefags with skyward sword
>someone notices the gaping hole aonuma left in alttp/the imprisoning war's place
>makes up some bullshit (Downfall Timeline aka "ackshully you jobbed last second lmao faggot")
>puts it in a book
>fuck em
And now they're selling a knockoff of the Imprisoning War as a musou game featuring "Ganon"dorf (actually Demisedorf).
Caring about this series truly is an exercise in futility.

>>721764741
If you think about it, Link and Ganondorf both killed each other's surrogate mothers in OOT.

>>721768649
>It gets even more fucked up when you consider "the future" is actually a parallel dimension "tainted" by Ganon, which took the form of a Hyrule he had conquered for seven years.
The future Hyrule isn't the corrupted sacred realm.
>This "corrupt" realm doesn't seem to affect the "past" you came from at all
Why would you expect changing the future affect the past? (and actions in the past do affect the future in the Well/Shadow Temple and Spirit Temple scenarios)
>the whole thing isn't even about saving the world, it's about saving the Royal Family and Friends' personal Garden of Eden.
By sealing Ganondorf away you do save Future Hyrule for the surviving Gorons, Zora, Gerudo and Kakariko people. Then Zelda sends you back to the past, with the sacred realm re-sealed so that Past Ganondorf can't steal power from it and conquer Hyrule.
At this point both timelines do become worlds that exist parallel to eachother, leading to Wind Waker(Future Ganondorf was sealed, but eventually escape and Link no longer existed here after being sent back) and Twilight Princess(Past Ganondorf is arrested and executed after his coup fails)

>>721770536
Ganondorf killed Link's surrogate father, Link killed his surrogate mothers.

>>721770445
The real problem child is Twilight Princess.

Wind Waker established the split timeline, there's no getting around that. Ganondorf came back, Zelda oopsie'd and sent the only person with a chance to stop him out of the future back to the past, so now the gods have to clean up this gigantic blunder by sundering the entire kingdom and throwing everything Link accomplished in his victory into the bin.

But then Twilight Princess was made and showed the OTHER side of Zelda's decision to send Link back to his childhood because in doing so the Triforce of Courage went with him and caused the fragmentation of the Triforce anyway that allowed Ganondorf to survive in that timeline as well.

However at the end of both Wind Waker and Twilight Princess Ganondorf is defeated for good, concluding the major arc in both timelines that Ocarina of Time started. Unfortunately that means the original proposal that OoT led to ALttP and LoZ1 no longer fits because Ganondorf is gone across both possible outcomes of the conclusion of OoT. If TP had ended more ambiguously you could say that TP is simply the predecessor to the events of ALttP (and that Wind Waker's definitive conclusion simply stands as the end of the saga in that branch). Since they didn't they were stuck with having to fork the timeline again to get those games back into canon and the only way to explain that was by saying Link just failed entirely and died in battle. It's not a pretty conclusion but that's what TP's ending forced upon the series.

>>721771252
>Wind Waker established the split timeline, there's no getting around that
The ending of OOT is literally the timeline getting split.
I'm not reading the rest of your post if you can't get something this basic right.

>>721771329
At the time it was just seen as "okay, you did your job, go back and be the kid I made you miss out on." It wasn't saying there would be consequences to that decision. The fact there are consequences that only affect the reality that was left behind when Zelda returned Link to his youth is what really proves that there wasn't a single outcome to OoT but (at the time) two.

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The 3rd split of "hero defeated" actually branches off from when you first visit Future Kakariko to witness the shadow spirit escaping the well, burning the town, and throwing Sheik around. Then your path into the Shadow Temple is barred, so you have to do time fuckery with the Song of Storms to drain the well in the past.
That original future timeline with the filled well got turbo fucked on having a hero so the Imprisoning War had to happen to deal with Ganon.

>>721771252
No, it's still wind waker. When they made OoT it's the adult tiemline where the retro games were supposed to sit (thus why they named the sages after the Zelda 2 towns). Wind waker is the one which kicked the retro games out of their spot which is why they had to make up the downfall timeline. The child timeline in comparison was a blank canvas, twilight princess wasn't causing any problems there.

Downfall works infinitely better as a lead-in to Wind Waker but Aonuma doesn't want his precious debut game (half-baked shit that isn't finished) to be in the Loser Timeline so he put the series' foundations there instead.

>>721771893
Without really knowing anything at the time (since I didn't have an N64 and simply had OoT via the GC bonus disc), I thought WW was actually spawned because all the shit that happened that resulted in the destruction of Hyrule when Link went to Termina and simply never returned.

>>721754921
How do you think Gohma got so big?

Maybe I'm being a contemporary fag but I like the way the timeline is split now.

It would be neat to have a 3D game set in the Downfall timeline (or...I dunno...Zelda 1 remake in 3D) but BotW/TotK seems to just be a flat-out reboot (doesn't mean they can't revisit the original timelines, they did with EoW, but it feels like any major storyline revelations that will have drastic impacts on the larger franchise are going to be isolated to the continuity that the Era of the Wilds created).

>>721741679
>Dies a nobody
OOT link is suffering

>>721768420
The Koroks suck, they'll be back next game instead of building on the Deku Scrubs like Majora did.

They should have just kept every game as its own canon with maybe a few exceptions, a la Final Fantasy.
This timeline autism is confusing and makes things less fun.

>>721775365
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6m_NStmV8E

>>721776949
>This timeline autism is confusing and makes things less fun.
In what way?

>>721753805
>if you think King Daphnes was right to drown Hyrule, double euthanasia

I agree with you, but to be fair the game frames and portrays it as a good thing.

>>721777423
Either new games are made with the timeline in mind, which restricts what they can do, or they ignore it, which makes putting them on the timeline a headache.
It just isn't worth it IMO.

>>721778047
They've never let it restrict them. They've had games set on the ocean, in the sky, in a clockwork town on the verge of apocalypse. It's a very loose setting and it's never been a problem for the games they want to make. On the other hand the fact the games can be connected has elevated some of the games, like wind waker is better for its connections to ocarina of time.
A game which disregards the timeline is something like totk, and it was worse for it. The story and lore in that game sucks

>>721778047
>>721776949
I don't even consider that timeline in a serious discussion; if they want to make new games, they can make them as they see fit, and the fans can either waste their time trying to make heads or tails of it, or they can let it go and admit the Hyrule Historia shit was obsolete from the beginning.

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>best look
>best personality
>best song
shes the perfect girl

>>721765609
Behold: Jesus.

>>721778047
BOTK is a new continuity and EOW slotted into the old one in a lame way.
Lorefags literally don't need to pay attention to the BOTW-style games, and BOTWfags don't need to think about the lore because the only game that actually matters now is fucking Skyward Sword and that game a SHIT

>>721743023
>>721741679
>>721753091
No one bullied him, only Mido was a dick to him. Everyone else was nice. They were happy for him when he finally got a fairy too.

>>721778308
>like wind waker is better for its connections to ocarina of time.
But is the timeline as a whole better for having Wind Waker as a part of it? Yes? Anons just a few posts above would disagree.
The more games you add to the timeline, the more complex and confusing it gets. I guess you could reboot it every 10 games or so, but that defeats the entire point of a timeline.
>A game which disregards the timeline is something like totk, and it was worse for it. The story and lore in that game sucks
Shit writing is shit writing. If the TOTK devs can't make a good story when they have no restrictions, do you really think they'll manage to seamlessly integrate their work with the existing timeline?

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>>721778047
>getting the zelda cutscene where she alludes to skyward sword, ocarina of time and twilight princess, skyward sword especially which she would have absolutely no fucking idea about because that shit's at the dawn of time
>the fifty fucktillion tons of rock salt laying around hyrule implies a saltwater sea was present at one point (wind waker)
>devs weren't kidding when they said they didn't care where BOTW/TOTK were on the timeline and they treated it as a convergence of all timelines

>>721768649
wut

>>721779647
I find it cute how the manga decided to give a reason as to why he loses the fairy ocarina

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>>721741679
it's nothing to dwell over, anon. destiny is a curious thing. and link's own destiny is a most peculiar one indeed.

>>721779923
The timeline connections to BOTW are full on bullshit, it's very clear that they made that game without any intention of connecting it to the rest, they added a bunch of easter eggs and went "it takes place so far in the future that the timeline doesn't matter"

>>721780089
yeah breath/tears is where aonuma and fujibayashi are actually grabbing everybody's shoulders to shake them and yell WE DON'T FUCKING CARE

>>721779804
>If the TOTK devs can't make a good story
NTA but TOTK's story is uniquely bad because it was outsourced. BOTW would be the better game to point to.
Relatedly, I never want a plot half-told by flashbacks ever again.

>>721780206
I don't even think the story itself was bad, but they decided to present it in the most retarded way possible, literally everything bad about that game has to do with the nonlinearity, Nintendo never figured out how to properly do it and I wish they stopped trying already

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>anons just now figured out OoT is a story about growing up and the loss of innocence.

Sure Link got sent back to being a kid but he still has mental trauma of fighting a war against evil and going back to live in a world that doesn't remember him.

Why do you think he left Hyrule in search of Navi? The only one who truly knows who he is.

You can truly never go back home, as the old saying goes.

>>721780206
Interesting. Didn't know that.
That anon used TOTK as an example so that's the one I used as well.
Point still stands.

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>>721780590
And he never finds her again...

>>721756964
>10 to 17
>2x his size
I got robbed as a kid. He got tall as fuck at 17

>>721759024
Specifically south Africa.

>>721780761
We don't know for certain.

Hero of Time Chapter 3 when?

>>721780590
Zelda was such a fucking whore for doing that to him

>>721759416
Yeah I dunno about that kind of a leap to assume Saria never hugged him.

>>721780590
>In the future Link was the brave hero who freed all the temples, solved the problems for all the races in Hyrule and defeated the demon king who ruled the land for 7 years
>In the new present Link is some kid who somehow knew about gannondorf's plans, tipped the princess and got some lame shield for it

>>721780874
I'd love that but with modern Nintendo idk how that would turn out

>>721780907
I wonder if any one on the oot team thought there would one day be a bunch of people stupid enough to think Zelda making sure to give him back his seven fucking years of life is a bad thing

>>721756964
That's Fierce Deity Link

He's fucking massive.

>>721780781
I like how he was shorter than all the girls and especially Zelda but was taller than all of them as an adult. His model in Majora's Mask was improved and made him slightly taller.

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why tf were these niggas so sad? it's a party and they're bringing the mood down

>>721754921
Mido gave him his paternal milk

>>721781162
>Now link go back live your life as basically a nobody who can't go back home because you learned your life was a lie and you were destined to something no one there will ever know about, enjoy

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>>721780590
>anons still haven't figured out MM is a story about maturing and moving on after tragedy
shiggydiggy

>>721781321
Mido misses his friend, King Z misses his daughter.

>>721781174
I know that, I just like posting it to show how big that form is compared to the NPC's.

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>>721781162
bro even the game itself does not frame it as a 100% positive thing, let alone Wind Waker stomping all over the future timeline

>>721781321
They lost people close to them, Impa and Nabooru had no one to mourn them and Darunia was probably seem as having an honourable warrior death so the Goron Link wouldn't be that sad about it

>>721781384
why? they not invited or something?

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>>721780781
What do you mean, Link is still pretty damn short as a 17 year old, even if the numbers on this are false, the fact remains that he is just barely taller than Zelda.

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>>721781371
This nigga never found peace.

Maturity yes, but not happiness.

>>721781321
ruto and saria can't unsage themselves and return to their original lives.

>>721781475
Jesus fuck, Ganondorf is a unit.

>>721781543
I always assumed the sages either used their life force to seal Ganondorf or had to stay in the sacred realm to hold the seal

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>>721781543
they sage'd when they should have noko'd
rookie mistake

>>721742123
I'm not so sure that kokiri are mentally grown up. they all seem pretty immature in general.

>>721780590
But Link didn't even get to enjoy a life before being called to action. His youth was also pretty depressing.

>>721781475
>4'11" zelda
i m a g i n e

>>721758794
fuck assimilation

>>721781735
The worst part for him was probably adjusting to peace time.

No monsters, no evil wizard attacking the kingdom.

For what use the shepherd when the wolves have all gone?

>>721764614
Nips don't know what a timeline is.

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>>721781883
that's not very thingy of you, bro

>>721779724
Nah skyward sword is kino

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Navi was a bad friend.
She takes off the moment Link goes back in time after Ganon's defeat.
Link spent years looking for a friend that abandoned him in second because "muh purpose is complete" storytelling.
It's not like she had a Great Deku tree to return to, assuming the new sprout wouldn't awaken for several more years. He dies either way because of Ganondorf's curse, with or without Link's interference.

Though I like Navi's callous attitude being the reason Link simply walks away from Tatl at the end of Majora's Mask when she's trying to be all tsundere and tells you to leave because they have a carnival to attend without you.
He's had enough of asshole fairies being fair weather friends.

>>721781334
>just stay in our hellscape war torn aftermath and have several years of your life shaved off, what a great reward
Also Link could have simply stopped her if he didn't want to go back "a-actually I think I want to stay here, I love the redeads"
The whole "nobody" thing is pretty dumb. He's close to Zelda, and how the fuck is the master swordsman boy with the motherfucking triforce of courage that saved the kingdom from ganondorf preemptively going back to be a "nobody"?
Not to mention he has 7 extra years to become a "somebody", if that is truly what you care about, under much better circumstances.
Oh and if you subscribe to the idea that the sages are DEAD in the ending of the future and that they're just ghosts, it makes staying there about 100x stupider for Link.

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>>721781475
Damn, I never paid attention to that meter.

>>721781976
This is why I wanted more adventures from that Link, he's obviously not content with settling in just yet, there are plenty of places he can travel for a journey, the Lost Woods again, or even north or southward through the Haunted Wasteland.

>>721781543
Nothing will ever convince me that they weren't just dead, sure you can say the ascended to sagehood after, but they were 100% dead

>>721782158
Navi wasn't a friend, she was just a servant of the goddesses that clocked out after her duty was done, Link was just lonely, even Tatl was more of a friend despite being a fucking asshole at the start

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>>721781162
Thanks for making me a kid again Zelda were I have no connections with anyone in a world of magical horror!
>Can't go back tot he Kokiri because no fairy to guide him through the woods
>can't work for Zelda, as he's a literal who now >Tries to go back to the Kokiri forest anyway >dies.
What a tragedy This Link's life was, he technically died with zero accomplishments. He doesn't even get Termina, because Miyamoto said it was all a dream.

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>>721782349
They are absolutely dead.
>Saria dies to Ganondorf's shadow sieging the Forest Temple
>Darunia dies to Volvagia while you do the Fire Temple
>Ruto dies somewhere in the Water Temple or to Morpha before you catch up again
>Impa dies to Bongo Bongo since she "went on ahead to the temple" before you even get to Kakariko
>Nabooru is never seen again after Koume and Kotake use their magic on her. One could assume some torturous shadow realm type ending.
>Rauru is slain when Link pulls the sword and Ganondorf lays siege to the Sacred Realm, where the Temple of Light is stated to be by Rauru himself

Add on Mido and King Zora mourning away from the party in the ending. From a pure storytelling perspective, Nintendo would not have added that detail if they were simply "misinformed" or whatever. Their loved ones have perished.

I have never understood this "nah bro, they're magic orb spirits now" argument. The point of the adult years of OoT was to show how Ruthless Ganondorf was in his conquest. From cursing the Deku Tree, to Starving the Gorons. Then escalating to outright murder using minions and ancient dieties.
My man killed the sages.

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>>721781497
Anon the entire game is about finding peace. Link helps so many others do it, and in the end finds himself capable of doing the same. This isn't some deep read, it's pretty damn surface level.
If the HMS' little spiel about goodbyes flew over your head, the fact that he rides out of the forest smiling should have been a clue that he has made peace with losing Navi.
The Shade's main regret in TP is specifically on passing down his moves, he lightens up on TP Link and even says he's confident in him before the final lesson/"my child" line. And then that final lesson has him directly say to you that his regrets are eased. That was it, from the man himself, that was his grievance, and he considered it resolved with the end of his lessons. TP's manga, for all the praise it receives, poisoned this even further by having the Shade directly clash with Ganondorf and lament about his dark past...when the actual Shade in-game only mentions that as an aside, because his only actual concern is that TP Link could be kicking ass even harder than he does by default.
I like the tragedy of his character, but people blow that part of him out of proportion. He has his lows, he might even brood a little, but Link never wallows in despair. He didn't come back to spill his sorrows, he came back to take action in his own way. The world might've forgotten him, but he will always be the Hero of Time.

>>721782935
I like to think that Jabu-Jabu died shortly afterward thanks to Barinade.

>>721781162
>Now, go home, Link! Regain your lost time!
Home... Where you are supposed to be...the way you are supposed to be...
>link is literally a homeless ten year old
what the FUCK did hylia mean by this linkbros???

>>721782608
I like to think he got with Malon and had a normal life.

>>721782490
>she was just a servant of the goddesses
The literal intro of the game establishes that she answers to the Deku Tree. The Deku Tree tells her she's teaming up with the boy with no fairy before you've even controlled Link for the first time, and that's the entire reason she's there for the entire game.
Now, is Navi operating on the same weird "I kept you around because you were going to be useful" sentiment the Deku Tree has?
No, she loved him.

>>721742123
Or maybe he was trying to protect link from danger

>>721782935
>>Rauru is slain
Rauru was probably already long dead.
Remember, he's Kaepora Gaebora. He's already a lingering spirit.

>>721781976
war is a constant for humanity, and link not only is a gifted warrior that was proficient with both the sword and the bow without any prior training, but also has the triforce of courage which is some holy doohickey that makes you a fearless master of anything related to war

TW did him dirty, link at that point should have been a mighty general and the hyrulean army being trained and guided by him should have been pretty much invincible, the stuff of legends, and roflstomped ganondork

>>721742123
>>721783881
Despite seething at Link as hard as he did, he was never at the point where he wanted Link to fuck off forever or anything like that. If you talk to him in his house early on, he warns Link about the Lost Woods being dangerous. He's uppity about it but it's not insincere.

>>721779736
They're not now that Mido told them that he killed the Deku Tree.

>>721781321
they're dead

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>>721785478
>saria is the only one who comes to link's defense when mido slanders him
>he evidently doubled down on it since the rumor spread anyways
>mido eventually regrets what he said but he doesn't/can't take it back
>saria lives in the child timeline, but link presumably never returns to the forest
>on top of his own guilt, saria is going to be pissed off with him for the rest of his eternal life
Here lies Mido,
he never scored
like, ever.

>>721786092
He eventually does apologize for it and tells adult Link to tell Link when he sees him.

>>721786282
He knows that's Link, but won't admit it or say it to his face.

>>721781174
Yeah, I'm starting to think he isn't really a Kokiri at all!

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>>721741679
I'm surprised there's no romhack where Link turns out to be a real Kokiri
>Link pulls Master Sword
>Rauru notices that Link isn't getting older after several years and realizes his mistake
>Link is released from Chamber of Time at a different point than in OoT
>Rauru gives him a mission to get some magical macguffins to increase his physical strength so he can eventually wield the Master Sword while also having to awaken the sages (who wont be dead/captured yet at the point Link is released back into the world
>Link also has to deal with the curse that effects any Kokiri who leave the forest

>>721780874
Only if Koizumi is ever allowed on a Zelda project again

>>721783509
while termina was a demiplane created by the skullkid's memories of hyrule, link had to have reconnected with lon lon ranch in the child timeline. he has ownership of epona BEFORE he gets sucked into termina, after all.

>>721782158
Navi died helping you fight Ganon
She literally says she can't get near Ganondorf but she decides to help for the bigger threat
The miasma around him fatally poisoned her and she didn't want Link to have to watch her die

I thought Saria wanted to bang Link

>>721786992
Koizumi has been kicked too far upstairs. And even if he could, he joked about doing Zelda again to Aonuma in an interview once and in response Aonuma said he was never letting go of the reins.

>>721756573
I heard they're a blast

MM did a way better job at making you feel like a hero. Collecting the medallions doesn't feel heroic when only the Fire and Water ones have you actual do something the others are just a checklist to go make rainbow road

>>721787321
did you forget that the evil spilling out of the forest temple resulted in kokiri forest being destroyed? clearing that temple saves them.
though you aren't wrong about the spirit and shadow temple. they don't have any sort of impact on the world whether they're cleared or not.

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>>721786864
>Rauru gives him a mission to get some magical macguffins to increase his physical strength
I hope we at least get an extended Gerudo segment.
TOTK denied me actual Ganondorf-led Gerudo content and I refuse to buy a fucking sequel to Age of Calamity just to get what should've been in the actual game.

>>721754598
She had the giant's glove

>>721787425
There's no noticeable effect gameplay-wise but killing Twinrova means the Gerudo stop staying loyal to Ganondorf. It's presumably why they were welcomed to the party at Lon Lon Ranch.

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>>721754598

>>721787593
kek

>>721786864
It's mostly because young Link just isn't fun to play.

>>721749130
Saria teaches her song only to her friends and the skull kid knows it so she's not very selective with who she teaches it to, combine that with mohawk dude hanging out in the lost woods and Fado suggesting Hylians in the woods are a somewhat common sight and it's totally possible to conclude it's just a weird coincidence

>>721788032
>the skull kid knows it
Link teaches it to him in exchange for friendship and a heart piece. Skull Kid in MM is that specific Skull Kid. You can even kill him!
Either that or Link naturally smells like Saria.

>>721741679
a hylian ages throughout their entire life. there would be no age at which he could leave home where this wouldn't have been the case
they knew the entire time anyways though

I just want a third game where we go around solving problems

>>721786864
That could be a good fanfic

>>721779963
I wish the Zelda mangas weren't so lame.

>>721786864
>time passes, Mido outgrows his clothes and gets beard stubble

>>721788662
That is one hell of a twist
fund it

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>>721788662
>eventually loses his fairy
>does his own desperate search
>goes a little crazy
>decides to search OUTSIDE the forest
>aging continues, mido loses himself in the identity he can't bear to throw away, being a forest spirit
>the rigors of travel take their toll, but mido adapts
>he figures out some magic tricks
>he discovers a knack for cartography and is able to self-fund his search endeavors with his talent
>wait a minute
>
>
>
>oh

>>721788356
I think Open Air would work with a time loop. And an ocean but that's besides the point.
Having the entire narrative take place within a very specific timeframe that can be endlessly reset contributes to MM feeling like Link is just kinda fucking around doing random hero things. BOTW lacks a sense of urgency after it becomes clear what the Blood Moons actually are, but it does still have some semblance of that heroic wandering feeling.
But can the modern Zelda devs fill not just an entire world, but an entire schedule? Probably not, but being wrong would be nice.

>>721788986
sage of what?

>>721789059
what the fuck actually is he?

>>721790120
Milk

>>721742123
>be Boss of the Kokiri
>old as the trees fairy child
>watch woodsmen come every so often to kill trees, take mushrooms, and turn into skeletal demon soldiers when they get lost
>hear about war among Hylians, people dying all over the place
>Hylian mother, dying ends up in forest
>your deific tree dad says you need to help raise her kid, who is prophesied to grow up to be some kind of violent warrior
>eventually watch another tall outsider come in and curse your tree dad, but he's still alive at least
>Hylian boy gets a fairy out of the blue one day, goes and talks to tree dad, who dies immediately, and the kid runs off carrying the sacred stone your tree dad was protecting
>tree dad's sprout doesn't grow for 7 years and shit just goes from bad to worse while the girl who was closest to the kid vanishes too

Mido had a hard life.

>>721790120
Harvest

>>721741679
Hope they go back to this way of Zelda games. BOTW was the worst thing that happened to the series. The weapon durability system alone was terrible.

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>721767670
>watermark slop

>>721790282
Autistic manchild that's really good at making maps.
Weird but well-meaning merchant guy in MM, jewish slaver in WW.
Also a funny design in Hyrule Warriors but I don't care enough for his moves to play as him.

>>721754598
Stop asking questions.